As the first woman(Eve), by whom came sin, was made of a man without a woman; so the Man by whom sin was done away, was made of a woman(The Blessed Virgin Mary) without a man. By the first we fell, by the other we rise.
Bella50008 ever read the Bible? There is a Gospel named Luke that you might want to check out. How can the love of a mother who cares for her children and want the best for them have anything to do with demons? Stop the hating and learn to love as our Blessed Mother does.
@3collygirl ..."Bella50008 ever read the Bible? There is a Gospel named Luke that you might want to check out"
3collygirl have YOU ever read the Bible? There are 66 books including 4 Gospels in the NT you truly need to check out. All of them point to Jesus Christ as Saviour of the world - not his mother. He is the sole Redeemer - he has no sidekick or co-redeemptrix. There is no blessed mother - only a legion of demons impersonating the wonderful mother of the Lord Jesus. You've been had.
...they will run to her to their utter destruction and eternal regret. None can save but Jesus Christ, Son of the living God. This "mary" you worship and entrust your soul to is a demon. No pardon me, a Legion of demons. Wake up!
@bella50008: HEY - SATANIST! U still are not punished by GOD?
Really? So CHRIST has NO MOTHER? I thought CHRIST was borne by the Holy Virgin Mary? CHRIST IS TRUE GOD - CHRIST IS THE GOD OF ABRAHAM ISAAC AND JACOB - and HIS MOTHER IS CALLED VIRGIN MARY
So u see u are a SATANIST and completely against the Scriptures:
HOW DOES IT COME THAT THE MOTHER OF MY LORD comes to me
MITIR MOUT KYRIOU - means Mother of my KYRIOS GOD.
@adamantis4657 ...you practice witchcraft as well as idolatry I see. Let me know how that works out for you. You have no authority over ANY true believer in Christ. As I stated before Satan cannot curse what God has blessed.
@adamantis4657 ...."Satan can not blame HER because HE trembles before HER and CHRIST. How could SATAN blame CHRIST's Mother? Only Satanists like u dare to do such a horrible thing."
You do realize you contradict yourself don't you? You claim Satan does not blame "her" meaning the demon you call mary and then you call me a Satanist. So your statement is first foolish like all the previous ones, and second cancels itself out. Your two claims are mutually exclusive. Please go take your meds.
@adamantis4657 I think we should pray day and night for God to open her eyes.It's easy for a person to fall victim to the deceitfulness of sin.I was in rebellion with God for a long time and the prayers of the blessed mother brought me back home to the church!If she could do that for me ,she could do that for anyone! thank you
And we know that Blasphemy is the sin of sins - the most horrible crime in the world - as the Holy Fathers say.
There is a difference in not believing and blaspheming. When someone does not believe he can say that in proper language but never should anyone blaspheme CHRIST or the Most Holy Theotokos - it is even horrible to think of .
By declaring Mary sinless you say that Jesus was not born of a sinner which means that Jesus could not have come in the flesh because the flesh is sinful. Jesus had a sinful nature. He was tempted. The difference is that He chose not to sin. That is why He could save us. He was God in the flesh. He was God with a sinful nature choosing not to sin. "Who is that deny Jesus came in the flesh? Antichrist! That's who!"
@jesusthroughmary On the contrary, Danielezerable's comment reflects the truth of Scripture. It is confirmed as well by the famous Catholic St. Augustine of Hippo who said " "He, Christ, alone being made
a man but remaining God never had any sin nor did He take on flesh of sin, though He took flesh of the
Hail Mary, Full Of Grace, The Lord Is With Thee. Blessed Art Thou Among Women And Blessed Is The Fruit Of Thy Womb, JESUS. HOLY MARY IMMACULATE VIRGIN, Mother Of GOD, Pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death, AMEN
@mpenaco well in response to the word "all" in romans 3:23, this word was translated from a greek word that was used as all or many or most, now this same greek word was used in Paul but was translated as many, to give example. So for you to believe that this verse is meaning all, than you wouldn't believe Jesus to be sinless and you would have very hard time in describing why babies and mentally challenged who can't decipher right from wrong thus not commiting personal sin go to heaven.
@3072624197 Thank you for your reply. The "all" in Romans 3:23 does not include Jesus because he was not created, not made but begotten of the Father. His conception was not through a man but by the sinless Holy Spirit of God. When Paul proclaimed that all have sinned, it means all who descended from Adam and Eve, which includes Mary and the rest of us. The mentally challenged and the babies all descended from Adam and they too are guilty of sin and therefore need the saving grace of God.
@mpenaco so if he was created through a sexless bonding of spirit and egg in mary which is humanly IMPOSSIBLE by the way then why did he sin...granted it was only once but mary and joseph told him to stay were they could find him and he went to go preach the word of god when they found him they told him not to do that again and he didnt...but he still disobeyed his mother and father...but since we are made in gods image anyway that means god in full of sin corruption disease etc...
@saintluciferisgod What is impossible for humans is possible with God. Mary conceived Jesus not by human intercourse but by the power of God. Mary gave birth to Jesus and yet she remained a virgin, giving her and Joseph a fresh start in their married relationship. Jesus, despite being born of a sinfull woman, remained sinless by the power of God. He, not Mary, was preserved from all forms of sin. Jesus disobeyed Mary many times but that didn't matter. Obedience to God is what matters.
@mpenaco so let me get this straight..."Honor your father and your mother, so that your days may be long in the land that the Lord your God is giving you"...is meaning less if the one breaking the rule is "jesus". but be it a normal man we will go to hell...thats contradiction #1
if "god " supposedly made us in his image then that means he is flawed just like us #2
@saintluciferisgod I'm sorry to say but it is your understanding that is having all the contradictions, not the Word of God. Listen to what Jesus taught his disciples about who's more important - your father, mother, brother, sister - or God. "And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or children or farms for My name's sake, will receive many times as much, and will inherit eternal life." (Mat. 19:29). No one comes between us and God.
@mpenaco since we now know god is flawed like us that means he is not omnipotent so therefore he could not have MADE mary become pregnant without intercourse because we are made in his image and that is how HE would have to conceive a child is by intercourse...unless we are not of his image...#3
so now we understand that "GOD" had sex with mary and impregnated her...no wait wait wait an "ANGEL" named gabriel had sex with mary and had GODS son...so gabriel is god? #4
@saintluciferisgod Again, our God is not flawed. He is perfect and no one compares to Him. It is us and everything in us that is so flawed that apart from God, we are helpless and can do nothing to make us look good in God's eyes. Your natural rebellious mind is blinding you to the truth of Scripture. Repent and believe the Gospel.
@mpenaco but wait wait i do apologize what was i thinking. god IS jesus! and someone called the "holy spirit"...sounds like a bad opium experience to me...but if god is jesus then in effect god told his employee to have sex with his daughter so she would get inpregnated and have himself...#5
@saintluciferisgod So you don't believe Jesus is God who became human? I hope I'm wrong in my understanding of your beliefs because if not, then you're no different from the Jehovah's witnesses who preach falsely that Jesus is just another of God's creation.
@mpenaco you are both...you are right becuase that isnt my belief you are wrong because i dont believe there is a god...when you die you are just like every other animal on the face of the earth you go into the ground and become worm food...the only reason "GOD" even exist is because you evolved a concious "rational" thinking prosses some few thousand years ago...and when you have a thinking brain you have to ask questions...when you cant find answers you turn to super people in the sky...
@saintluciferisgod Unfortunately for you, your belief that there is no God does not change the fact that there is a God and that he is ruling his creation from his throne in heaven. I believe there is God because he reveals himself to me, and not because my brain cannot find answers to certain questions. Man's knowledge about God does not come from man himself but from God who chooses to reveal himself to man. You say you do not believe in God? I believe you. That only shows God has not...
@mpenaco "god" revealed himself to me through the fact that he "made" us and then let us go about as if he doesnt want anything tto do with us...such as the famines in 3rd world countrys the pandemics that kill thousands....the tsunami in japan...or is that because they dont beleive in god. and just so i understand what you are saying. god doesnt come from man god comes from god who made god and god made man. and if this is so then why are there so many diffrent religions woulndt the 1 true god
@saintluciferisgod We all deserve to die because of our sins so those who die in famines, tsunamis and other calamities are not really innocent in God's eyes. But here's the interesting truth: We are not to fear physical death. The spiritual death which the Bible calls the second death is what we should fear because it is everlasting and painful for the soul. We all die physically but if we belong to God's elect, we will rise again and live forever in heaven with God.
only allow there to be one religion since they al claim that they are all the one and only religion to follow. or does it make more sense for every single religion to have come from an individual or a few individuals so that they could extort power from ignorant fools that blindly follow anything they are told?
@saintluciferisgod Belonging to a religion is not God's requirement for holiness or greater spirituality. The truth is, the religions of the world have become the breeding ground for evil doctrines and satanic acts geared towards deceiving the people. God's religion is simple: "Whatever you do to the least of my brothers, you do it for me." Our acts of mercy for the poor are what matters to God. Not our attendance at church.
@mpenaco do you understand what you are trying to preach to me...i mean do you really listen to what you are saying in your mind when you type this out onto the internet so others can see how ignorant you sound?
contradiction "again" #1 gods words are contained in holy scriptures...which man wrote so they are atamatically flawed becuase man is flawed
#2 if god was a just god he woulndt send the ones that die from famine tsunamis and other calamities to hell just because they are ignorant..
Truth #1. Even though mortal men wrote Scripture, they are flawless and without error because they were written at the inspiration of God. (2 Tim. 3:16-17)
Truth #2. God is not only just. He is merciful too. Since the time of the Fall, man is in rebellion against God. As a sinner, he has become God's enemy. But in His mercy God chose to save a great multitude from being punished in hell. (continued)
@saintluciferisgod #1 The writings of the disciples are God's revelation of Himself to man. The disciples like Paul, John, Matthew, Mark, Luke and Peter who wrote them were guided by God himself so those writings are error-free.
#2 The fear of the Lord simply means doing our best to keep what God commands and avoiding those things that offends Him.
@saintluciferisgod The surprising truth is not that God sends people to hell because those souls deserve their just punishment. The amazing truth is that God brings certain souls to heaven despite their being sinful and being rebels. The basis for going to hell is not dying from famine or tsunami or ignorance. The basis is not doing the will of God. Even if you die today from famine, your soul will go to heaven if God finds that during your life on earth, you live keeping His commandments.
@mpenaco I have to disagree with your sentiment. It is human nature to survive. You are saying that if I die living a life free of sin, or if I try being as free from sin as I can be, I will get into heaven; Why is it not a sin if I don't think it is a sin?
God would not have made humans simply to go against their nature and obey him. According to Jesus, your god wants all to be saved. There is no way some can deserve punishment if we can also be saved.
@57worldwide Our going to heaven or hell is not up to us but entirely up to God. That is the revelation of Scripture. We do the things that are pleasing to God because God himself enables us by giving us a new heart that longs to please God. Without this act of God, everything we think, say and do cannot please God.
Jesus never said God wants all to be saved. The truth is that Jesus came to save those that God gave him. They are His elect and they will all be saved through Christ.
#3 your entire 3rd paragraph if religion is corrupt then so is christianity because obviously its a religion
#4 at first you said beliving in jesus the son of god would get you into heaven then you changed it to helping out the heathens that are going to die and go to hell anyway becaus they dont know the word of jesus.
#5 just an after though...so as long as i believe in jesus im gold but if i dont believe in jesus and i only beileve in god..
@saintluciferisgod Your religion cannot save you is what Scripture proclaims. God's religion according to Christ is when you feed the hungry, cloth the naked, help the sick, etc. Those who do these things belong to the God's religion regardless of their affiliations. The corruption in many religious organizations is the work of Satan. The false doctrines, child molestations and homosexual perversions are thee evil fruits. God has nothing to do with them.
@mpenaco or i believe like the jewish that moses was the messiah then all these people like taht are going to go to hell and burn in the everlasting fiery pit of eternal damnation because jesus which was a JEW is the messiah and you have to follow blind ignorant indoctrine to get to heaven
@saintluciferisgod Who told you that Moses was the Messiah? You need to research Jewish messianism before making claims like that. There is no way you could prove to a Christian that Christianity is wrong without using the Bible which they believe is true. Just asking questions will only make their beliefs stronger, they will simply see you as a persecutor.
Questioning someone's set of beliefs is not the same as questioning their belief in a religion, can I ask what are your motives?
Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me.
St. Bernard:
"For this reason, our astonishment is not small in seeing that some of you are believed to be able to introduce a new feast that is unknown to the rite of the Church that cannot be approved by reason, that is condemned by the ancient traditions, the Feast of the Immaculate Conception."
Those who believe that mary was sinless are calling God a liar. Romans 3:23 says "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God." Revelation 15:4 says, "Who shall not fear thee, O Lord, and glorify thy name? For thou only art holy." Romans 3:10 says, There is none righteous, no, not one." Luke2:22,24 proves she needed purification from sin.
@Lawborn2 St. Bernard: "For this reason, our astonishment is not small in seeing that some of you are believed to be able to introduce a new feast that is unknown to the rite of the Church that cannot be approved by reason, that is condemned by the ancient traditions, the Feast of the Immaculate Conception."
Father, You prepared the Virgin Mary to be the worthy mother of your Son. You let her share beforehand in the salvation Christ would bring by his death, and kept her sinless from the first moment of her conception. Help us by her prayers to live in your presence without sin. We ask this through our Lord Jesus Christ, your Son, who lives and reigns with you and the Holy Spirit, one God, forever and ever.
@waxedwings God never kept Mary sinless from the moment of her conception. God clearly revealed through David: "Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me."
You make God a liar by proclaiming Mary to be sinless from her conception.
@Bingolly1 Well, if you've ever read the Bible, you ought to know that it does. Try reading between the lines next time and actually follow the Truth.
@Bingolly1 Well guess what? I'm converting to Catholicism so calm yourself. The Bible is the only truth there is. And if Mary was born so perfect without sin, she would die on the cross and there would be no need for Jesus.
@computerwiz10 and @Bingolly1: Firstly, it is important approach all persons, Christian or otherwise with Christian charity. Second, all that is in the Bible is true, but all that is true is not in the Bible. This is why people read the Bible and then discuss what it might mean. Protestants do it often in the form of Bible studies, Catholics look to the Magisterium as well as sacred tradition. From these two sources we find that the Immaculate Conception to be a truth revealed to us.
@riemerco How do you reconcile the Catholic church's proclamation that Mary was born, lived and died without original and actual sins with the Bible's proclamation that "ALL have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" and that "In sin my mother conceived me" ?
@mpenaco Did Christ sin? Of course not - the Church teaches that He is impeccable. Do infants sin? No, they cannot, and many die before reaching the age of reason. Some profoundly disabled persons live to an adult age but never gain the use of reason or the ability to sin. So certainly the Scripture does not teach that every single individual person has committed actual sin. More to the point, who are you to determine what a passage of Scripture means? What authority has been given to you?
@jesusthroughmary Infants do not have actual sins but they, like the rest of us, are tainted with the original sin of Adam. The Bible makes that revelation in no uncertain terms for us:
"For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive." (1 Cor. 15:22)
"Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me." (Ps. 51:5)
"for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" (Rom.3:23)
That is why God is fully justified in hating Esau even before he was born.
@mpenaco Original sin and actual sin are two different things. The guilt of original sin is remitted by the grace of baptism, which is to say the grace flowing from the blood of Christ on the cross. The dogma of the Immaculate Conception teaches that Mary was preserved from the stain of original sin in a different way than the rest of us but by the same grace. The proclamation made by Bl. Pius IX is silent regarding any actual sin of Mary.
@jesusthroughmary Which proclamation has greater authority for you, the Catholic church or the Bible? The Catholic church is proud of its apostolic heritage but it contradicts the very teachings of the apostles particulary that of St. Paul who proclaims that all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God and that we all die because we inherited the sin of Adam. But your church thinks Mary is exempt from all these. What is the basis of that?
@jesusthroughmary The authority of Scripture stands on its own. It is God-breathed and there is no authority on earth higher than the truth it proclaims. What authority do I have to determine what the passage means? The same authority that the Berean Jews had when they heard Paul preaching to them. They consulted Scripture to see if what Paul was saying was from God. That should be our approach as well. We consult Scripture for every new teaching we hear, even from our own church.
@computerwiz10 and @Bingolly1: Firstly, it is important approach all persons, Christian or otherwise with Christian charity. Second, all that is in the Bible is true, but all that is true is not in the Bible. This is why people read the Bible and then discuss what it might mean. Protestants do it often in the form of Bible studies, Catholics look to the Magisterium as well as sacred tradition. From these two sources we find that the Immaculate Conception to be a truth revealed to us.
@Bingolly1 Firstly it is important to approach all people with Christian charity, computerwiz. Secondly, all that is in the Bible is true, but not all that is true is in the Bible. From this we see that people study the Bible to find truth. This is mostly protestants who look at solely the Bible. On the other hand, Catholics look to the Bible, Tradition, and the Magisterium on these matters. From these sources we find that the Immaculate Conception to be a truth revealed to us by God.
@riemerco 2 Questions for you: Which has greater authority for you, Tradition, the Magisterium or the Bible? Which authority is followed when there is a conflict among the 3?
@Bingolly1 Firstly it is important to approach all people with Christian charity, computerwiz. Secondly, all that is in the Bible is true, but not all that is true is in the Bible. From this we see that people study the Bible to find truth. This is mostly protestants who look at solely the Bible. On the other hand, Catholics look to the Bible, Tradition, and the Magisterium on these matters. From these sources we find that the Immaculate Conception to be a truth revealed to us by God.
@Bingolly1 the rcc says that evolution is in line with Christianity and catholics can believe in it. This is CONTRARY to the Bible. the rcc says mary was sinless. this is CONTRARY to the Bible. the rcc says confess your sins to a priest. this is CONTRARY to the Bible. the rcc says mary can save you. this is CONTRARY to the Bible. the rcc says peter was "the rock". this is CONTRARY to the Bible. The rcc murdered MILLIONS of Christians. This is CONTRARY to the Bible.
@computerwiz10 Firstly it is important to approach all people with Christian charity, computerwiz. Secondly, all that is in the Bible is true, but not all that is true is in the Bible. From this we see that people study the Bible to find truth. This is mostly protestants who look at solely the Bible. On the other hand, Catholics look to the Bible, Tradition, and the Magisterium on these matters. From these sources we find that the Immaculate Conception to be a truth revealed to us by God.
@computerwiz10 Firstly it is important to approach all people with Christian charity, computerwiz. Secondly, all that is in the Bible is true, but not all that is true is in the Bible. From this we see that people study the Bible to find truth. This is mostly protestants who look at solely the Bible. On the other hand, Catholics look to the Bible, Tradition, and the Magisterium on these matters. From these sources we find that the Immaculate Conception to be a truth revealed to us by God.
@Bingolly1 but we all know that she was a siiner cause the bible says everybody on earth was is a sinner {except christ} and if she did not sin then the bible is a lie right??
@HeidyfromNorway You do not have the theological ability to understand the Bible or why Mary had to be preserved from the stain of original sin. I waste my time with people who ask such an ignorant question after it has been explained 100's of times.
@Bingolly1 please show me the verse...o right theres no verse in the bible that shows she was sinless o and please she me in the bible that the Immaculate Conception is real o wait there isnt its man made to me thats BLASPHEMY but yet again you caltholics are satanic
@HeidyfromNorway Please show me the verse that says everything Jesus taught and eveything revealed to the apostles as truth is written in the bible...o right there is no verse in the bible that backs up this idea...now what? You demand biblical proof texts from others but cant provide one to defend your own approach to knowing truth. Jesus tells you to submit to the church but you disagree with him and only submit to what you personally think the bible teaches.
She calls Christ her savior, which he was and is. Since she was 'ground zero' as it were in the event of our Salvation, which began the instance she came into existence. HER egg was to become our Divine Savior when fertilized by the Holy Spirit, her womb was to become the holy of holies, the tabernacle of almighty God, and by that very fact, God purified her, getting her ready to become the mother of God. It was his gift to her, and to us.
@mariagianna624 Yes, I can believe she was purified before Jesus entered her..yet I just cannot belive she was BORN that way, because it is not Biblical.
Why is it called "immaculate"? Why not just conception? The implication is that normal sex is "macculate"? even if married in the Sacrament of the Church? The fact is that to get pregnant Mary had some type of relation with God. If Jesus was a man then he had 46 chromosomes. Half from Mary and half from God. If Mary was married did not she had a honeymoon or consumation? And if God can have a union with a woman, to have a son, why the catholic church insists in celibacy? Why choose a married one
For the birth of Jesus to be sinless, Mary was a virgin, however the Bible doesn't state that Mary's mother was also a virgin, this is Catholic tradition. The problem is that to explain virgin birth, that it would have had to go back all the way to Eve before the fall. This is an argument ad nauseum. This diminishes the true miracle of Christ's birth. Faith in Mary is not saving faith. Faith in Jesus is. How does one get to Jesus? Do Catholics get there? Jesus is too scary to pray to?
I just don't think anything extra-biblical should be considered doctrine. I think she is blessed but not to the point the Catholic Church has made her. I just wish people would read what the bible say's before believing what a group of men deem to be correct. Men that are not perfect and certainly not Vicars of Christ.
@Bingolly1 Can you send me some biblical text that talks about mary being immaculately conceived? It would seem that this wouild be very important since the catholic church is saying that Jesus wasn't the first immaculate birth and wasn't the first person born without sin. Satan loves the catholic church because it continues to take away from the uniqueness and power of Christ. Please respond with the proof. Thanks
It is not explicit, but rather implicit, much like the word trinity is not in the Bible, but the doctrine is implied. In John, he writes that the law came through Moses, grace and truth comes through Jesus Christ. Before Moses, there was no law, and before Jesus, there was no grace. Yet in luke, the angel Gabriel addresses Mary as Hail, full of grace. So how did Mary become full of grace without Jesus? The Church answers this with the dogma of the immaculate conception,
@sonofmary1 What!! Catholics developed the concept of "no original sin" and the "immaculate conception of Mary" because of the words "full of grace? You said that there was no grace before Jesus? Look at Genesis 6:8
But Noah found grace before the Lord. Go to the catholic Douay-Rheims Bible and type in the word grace. You were just joking right?
Not at all. The catholic church does not get its dogmas from the Bible, rather the Church which produced the Bible, explicitly teaches some of her dogmas in Sacred Scripture, and implicitly teaches others. This is why Paul tell us to obey his words, whether written or in oral teachings. You are practicing the doctrine of sola scriptura, which is in no way found in the scriptures. You need to show me where it says that all of our doctrines have to come from the Bible.
@sonofmary1 My friend, the Bible (scripture) was already "produced". The catholics can only make the claim of assembling the scriptures, not producing. This youtube forum does not yield enough space to debate of following scripture vs tradition. Please send me your email so we can discuss it further. Be prepared to become a Christian vs a Catholic!
@Bingolly1 God did not give councils the authority to select His sacred books, nor does He expect men to receive His sacred books only because of councils or on the basis of councils. It takes no vote or sanction of a council to make the books of the Bible authoritative. Men were able to rightly discern which books were inspired before the existence of ecclesiastical councils and men can do so today.
@Bingolly1 It cannot be proven that the Catholic Church is solely responsible for the gathering and selection of the New Testament books. In fact, it can be shown that the New Testament books were gathered into one volume and were in circulation long before the Catholic Church claims to have taken its action in 390 at the council of Hippo.
@Bingolly1 If the Bible is a Catholic book, why does it nowhere mention the Catholic Church? Why is there no mention of a pope, a cardinal, an archbishop, a parish priest, a nun, or a member of any other Catholic order? If the Bible is a Catholic book, why is auricular confession, indulgences, prayers to the saints, adoration of Mary, veneration of relics and images, and many other rites and ceremonies of the Catholic Church, left out of it?
@kiwichristian2009 Your just jealous because the Church gave you the Bible. Then because of pride you threw away seven books. Great, if you do not like what a book teaches just throw it out. Makes for great theology:)
@Bingolly1 Not a very intelligent answer, my friend. When the apostles wrote the New Testament documents they were inspired by the power of the Holy Spirit. There wasn't any real issue of whether or not they were authentic. Their writings did not need to be deemed worthy of inclusion in the Canon of Scripture by a later group of men in the so-called Roman Catholic Church. To make such a claim is, in effect, to usurp the natural power and authority of God himself.
@kiwichristian2009 The Gospel according Mark was not written by an apostle...why is it considered God inspired scripture?...because the RCC told you so.
@kiwichristian2009 WRONG there was an issue, of course with the Jews, you see they didn't consider the new testament inspired, so Luther thought he had to follow the Jews on the old testament (basically cuz the new ideas he was pushing would've been sabotaged by the other books) but the church on the new testament, so which is it? The Jews knew best yet didn't include new testament? Luther also wanted to get rid of the epistle of James because it didn't support his views
@3072624197 I don't care what luther did or did not do, i am not a protestant or a lutheran, my friend. What exactly is your argument here? That the NT is not inspired? that the apocrypha is not inspired?
@Bingolly1 Judith falsely states that Nebuchadnezzar reigns over the Assyrians,whereas he ruled Babylon instead.Torbit could not have witnessed the division of Israel into the northern and southern kingdoms in 931BC(Tor1:4),and have been deported 200 years later in 734BC(Tor1:10).Ecc3:3 states that giving money forgives sins. This contradicts Christs' work on the cross. Jesus and the apostles quote 260 times from the 35 out of 39 OT books, yet they NEVER quoted the apocrypha.
@kiwichristian2009 You are incorrect when you state the NT doesnt quote from the apocrypha...Matt. 27:43 - if He is God's Son, let God deliver him from His adversaries follows Wisdom 2:18. Mark 4:5,16-17 - Jesus' description of seeds falling on rocky ground and having no root follows Sirach 40:15. Either way, your logic is flawed...must a NT book/letter quote the OT to qualify as scripture? Are you willing to throw out every NT book/letter that doesnt quote from the OT?
@kiwichristian2009 Where does this standard for identifying scripture come from? Must a NT book or letter directly quote an OT book to qualify the OT as scripture? Will you reject any and all OT books that are not quoted in the NT or just the apocrapha?
@Bingolly1 Jerome plainly rejects all the apocryphal books from the canon. In his Prologus Galeatus he says “As there are twenty and two letters, so there are counted twenty and two books. Therefore the Wisdom of Solomon, and Jesus, and Judith, and Tobit, are not in the canon.” (See the intro. to the Vulgate in his own hand.)Gregory the Great,in his commentaries on Job,(Lib.XIX.C16) expressly writes that the books of Mac, isnt canonical,as well as the rest.Josephus agrees.
@Bingolly1 Neither their authors nor the circumstances of their writings are known.The Jews nor the early Christians accepted them as inspired scripture.The books themselves dont claim inspiration.There's no"Thus saith the Lord"'s .Although the N.T has 263 direct quotes from and 370 allusions to the O.T,there's not a single reference to the books of the apocrypha.It was at Trent,Ap.8th1546,that the pope declared tradition+the apocrypha to be canonical and authoritative.
@kiwichristian2009 Why do you believe everything Jesus taught and everything that was revealed to the apostles was written down in the bible? Why does scripture never mention this idea of yours? The scriptures identify the Church of the living God as the pillar and foundation for all truth, yet you disagree and say it is the bible. What biblical basis do you have to claim all revealed truth is contained inside?
Not true at all. The beginnings of the Church are in Acts, when the holy spirit descended upon the apostles. This is the beginning of The Church. Luke then wrote about this episode possibly fifty years later, but perhaps earlier. Whatever the case, the Church existed for several decades before the Gospels were written. None of the first Christians had the New Testament. Over time, heresies emerged which required authoritative writings to combat the heresy.
@ShuffleUpTv catholics mearly defined what IT would use as the Bible. You are right. Versions of the NT in other languages available early in Christianity: Peshitta Version AD 150 The Italic Bible AD 157 The Waldensian AD 120 & onwards Gallic Bible (Southern France) AD177 Gothic Bible AD 330-350 Old Syriac Bible AD 400 Armenian Bible AD 400 (There are 1244 copies of this version still in existence.) Palestinian Syriac AD 450
Yes there was grace before Jesus, but God, who is outside of time, can apply the merits of Jesus Christ to anyone at any time. That is why the Church teaches that Mary was preserved from the stain of original sin, THROUGH THE MERITS OF JESUS CHRIST. Mary is the ark of the new covenant. If we engage in a thoroughly biblical concept called typology, we will begin to see more clearly. The main point here is that the fulfillment is always greater than that which was foreshadowed.
@sonofmary1 Show me proof of the immaculate conception of Mary. Satan Loves the Catholic church because they deny the specialness of Jesus. Is there anyone else the catholics want to add to being immacuately conceived before Jesus? I would love to have a debate with you on whether the Catholic church is the church that Jesus built.
This is why Paul calls the Church the Pillar and Foundation of Truth. If Paul wanted us to follow sola scriptura, he should have said that the scriptures are our foundation, but he does not do that. According to Paul, the Church is our Foundation. This is perfectly in line with what Jesus said, when he said that the gates of hell would not prevail against his church. This means that at no time did his church not exist. Go to the Church fathers, even the heretics were Catholic.
Now, the Ark of the Old covenant, was made of incorruptible wood, and it was death to anyone who would touch it. Since the Bible clearly teaches that Mary is the ark of the New covenant, (Luke), Mary has to be even greater than that of the old. Adam was a type of Christ, yet Christ was far greater than Adam.
Where did the word Catholic come from. St ignatius of Antioch calls the Church Catholic. He was ordained Bishop by Simon Peter, and studied under John. He uses the term as if it is already widely accepted. You could make a strong case that the term comes from the original apostles themselves. At the very least, it was used long before Constantine. I would like to know when you think was the moment the church became the whore of babylon.
@Primeda Well, This group of men deem to be correct, gave you your Canon of the Bible, defined the doctrine of the Trinity, among other things. Is, what you are saying, We only deem these men correct on the Bible and the Trinity, but nothing else, or, are you saying we pick and choose what we believe? If you chose the latter, then you are a True Protestant. If you read your Bible, you will find Christ left us a Church, guided by the Holy Spirit, through All Truths.
@Primeda You said: " men are not perfect and certainly not the Vicars of Christ."
So I ask, Was Peter perfect? How 'bout John? Paul? Thomas? I thought, only Christ was perfect. Do you know something I don't? Yet, these men gave us the words we hold sacred. What was your point again?
Its insane watching christians argue amongst themselves. If all of them cant stick to one story, then why should anyone else believe any of it?? The immaculate conception is bullshit, it never happened. Why? Because women dont get pregnant without having an egg fertilized. Theres no need to quote scripture or any other argument. The only proof would be the video of Gabriel speaking to Mary, and it just hasnt surfaced yet.
Great point on Christians arguing amongst one another. Indeed there is no tangible neccessity for the 1% of Christians in the world who are not Orthodox & Catholic to argue about these things.
Might I offer correction on one point.
The Immaculate Conception is doesn't immediately pertain to Christ Jesus. The Immaculate Conception's a term used to describe when the Mother of God was conceived. The term used for the conception of Christ Jesus is called the Incarnation of the Word of God.
Luke 2:22-24 (compare Leviticus 12:1-8); Romans 3:10; 23. (see wiki: immaculate conception; The New Catholic Encyclopedia (1967, Vol. VII, pp. 378-381)
Mary is the co-mediator (mediatrix) am I right? "For there, is ONE GOD and ONE MEDIATOR between God and men the man Christ Jesus;" 1Tim 2:5
Also Mary is Called the 'Queen of Heaven'-yes?
Jer 7:18 "make cakes to the QUEEN of HEAVEN...provoke me to anger" Jer 44:16-19 again talking bout queen of heaven - it povokes God to anger. By the way the cakes which they baked have a '+' (t)ammuz on top of them(hot cross buns) Eze 8:14 'weeping for tammuz -is what u call Lent (originated by the Egyptians)
God the Father split himself in 2 and sent the Holy Spirit part of himself down to blow God's wad in Mary. Mary got knocked up out of wedlock and gave birth to God's illigitimate son Jesus who is also God .
Respectfully, no doubt the relatives of reasoned the same. Luke 11:28; John 2:4; 19:26; Luke 11:28. Honor is not venerate. How about commandments 1-2. John 14:6; Acts 4:12; 1 Timothy 2:5.
Luke 2:22-24 (compare Leviticus 12:1-8); Romans 3:10; 23. (see wiki: immaculate conception; The New Catholic Encyclopedia (1967, Vol. VII, pp. 378-381)
Very good video Bing.When one recalls Christ derived his perfect humanity partly from Mary,s(i.e her egg) one can understand how this doctrine came into being.
When we consider the first Adam and the second Adam, Jesus, along with the first eve and the second eve, Mary, it is hard to see it any other way. GBU
Spot on. Doctrine is not 'invented'. It becomes doctrine long after it is believed by the faithful, and usually if there is some debate, in which case it merely clarifies existing beliefs.
And your point regarding Job is very interesting. We (Catholic and non-catholic) often disregard our Jewish heritage and at times mistakenly attribute a modern meaning to something which was quite different a thousand years ago. The word 'memory' at the Last Supper is a good example of this.
Thanks Mapollo. As with all doctrines we must be careful to interpret the verses in the historical setting and see if they have implications in our doctrines. Then when we use support text that text must also agree with what we are trying to formulate. I have seen some use support text that absolutely does not apply to what they are trying to teach. GBU
As the first woman(Eve), by whom came sin, was made of a man without a woman; so the Man by whom sin was done away, was made of a woman(The Blessed Virgin Mary) without a man. By the first we fell, by the other we rise.
For those who have ears, listen
Catholic710 1 month ago
i love how these morons read a few Jack Chick handtouts and become 'experts' on Catholic doctrine.
mondoshrimpo 2 months ago
Bella50008 ever read the Bible? There is a Gospel named Luke that you might want to check out. How can the love of a mother who cares for her children and want the best for them have anything to do with demons? Stop the hating and learn to love as our Blessed Mother does.
3collygirl 2 months ago
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@3collygirl ..."Bella50008 ever read the Bible? There is a Gospel named Luke that you might want to check out"
3collygirl have YOU ever read the Bible? There are 66 books including 4 Gospels in the NT you truly need to check out. All of them point to Jesus Christ as Saviour of the world - not his mother. He is the sole Redeemer - he has no sidekick or co-redeemptrix. There is no blessed mother - only a legion of demons impersonating the wonderful mother of the Lord Jesus. You've been had.
bella50008 1 month ago
Children of Mary run quickly to your mother while there is still time....she will guide and help you. Entrust your souls to her.
Bruce99100 6 months ago
...they will run to her to their utter destruction and eternal regret. None can save but Jesus Christ, Son of the living God. This "mary" you worship and entrust your soul to is a demon. No pardon me, a Legion of demons. Wake up!
bella50008 4 months ago
@bella50008 Your hatred for the Mother of God is amazing.
Bingolly1 4 months ago
@Bingolly1..your love of and commitment to defending demons is equally amazing.
The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the Father of the Jesus, the Creator of the universe...has.no.mother.
bella50008 4 months ago
@bella50008 Present some evidence. See how easily your ignorance will be shot down.
Bingolly1 4 months ago
@bella50008: HEY - SATANIST! U still are not punished by GOD?
Really? So CHRIST has NO MOTHER? I thought CHRIST was borne by the Holy Virgin Mary? CHRIST IS TRUE GOD - CHRIST IS THE GOD OF ABRAHAM ISAAC AND JACOB - and HIS MOTHER IS CALLED VIRGIN MARY
So u see u are a SATANIST and completely against the Scriptures:
HOW DOES IT COME THAT THE MOTHER OF MY LORD comes to me
MITIR MOUT KYRIOU - means Mother of my KYRIOS GOD.
The Scripture called HER: MOTHER OF GOD
adamantis4657 1 month ago
@adamantis4657..." HOW DOES IT COME THAT THE MOTHER OF MY LORD comes to me.."
Because you are demon possessed.
bella50008 1 month ago
@bella50008: LOL - u are the SATANIST and the obsessed! U are the Demon -the evil snake tarned as "pseudo christian".
U are the Blasphemer and the Enemy of CHRIST - IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST - U CURSED DEMON - -VANISH!+++
adamantis4657 1 month ago
@adamantis4657 ...you practice witchcraft as well as idolatry I see. Let me know how that works out for you. You have no authority over ANY true believer in Christ. As I stated before Satan cannot curse what God has blessed.
bella50008 1 month ago
@bella50008; The problem is that GOD HAS CURSED U and not blessed. Do u think God blesses SATANISTS and BLASPHEMERS?
U are allready cursed even when u don't notice. Do u think CHRIST will bless those who blaspheme against His HOLY MOTHER?
U crazy obsessed women! Not EVEN SATAN DARES TO BLAME HER.
adamantis4657 1 month ago
@adamantis4657..."U crazy obsessed women! Not EVEN SATAN DARES TO BLAME HER."
That is because Satan IS "her". Why would he accuse himself. Your queen is a legion of demons impersonating Mary the mother of Jesus. Deal with it.
bella50008 1 month ago
@bella50008: U are a DEMON - a LEGION OF DEMONS - WE ARE MANY....
Satan can not blame HER because HE trembles before HER and CHRIST.
How could SATAN blame CHRIST's Mother? Only Satanists like u dare to do such a horrible thing.
adamantis4657 1 month ago
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@adamantis4657 ...."Satan can not blame HER because HE trembles before HER and CHRIST. How could SATAN blame CHRIST's Mother? Only Satanists like u dare to do such a horrible thing."
You do realize you contradict yourself don't you? You claim Satan does not blame "her" meaning the demon you call mary and then you call me a Satanist. So your statement is first foolish like all the previous ones, and second cancels itself out. Your two claims are mutually exclusive. Please go take your meds.
bella50008 1 month ago
@Bingolly1: She will be destroyed soon - the WRATH OF GOD will destroy her for her blasphemies.
We pray day and night that God will punishe Her.
adamantis4657 1 month ago
@adamantis4657 I think we should pray day and night for God to open her eyes.It's easy for a person to fall victim to the deceitfulness of sin.I was in rebellion with God for a long time and the prayers of the blessed mother brought me back home to the church!If she could do that for me ,she could do that for anyone! thank you
hoipolloi54 1 week ago
@hoipolloi54: Hm - I am orthodox!
And we know that Blasphemy is the sin of sins - the most horrible crime in the world - as the Holy Fathers say.
There is a difference in not believing and blaspheming. When someone does not believe he can say that in proper language but never should anyone blaspheme CHRIST or the Most Holy Theotokos - it is even horrible to think of .
Bella is a NON-STOP Blaspher and may God stop her
adamantis4657 1 week ago
By declaring Mary sinless you say that Jesus was not born of a sinner which means that Jesus could not have come in the flesh because the flesh is sinful. Jesus had a sinful nature. He was tempted. The difference is that He chose not to sin. That is why He could save us. He was God in the flesh. He was God with a sinful nature choosing not to sin. "Who is that deny Jesus came in the flesh? Antichrist! That's who!"
Danielezerable 9 months ago
@Danielezerable Congratulations. You have committed the sins of heresy and blasphemy.
jesusthroughmary 8 months ago
@jesusthroughmary On the contrary, Danielezerable's comment reflects the truth of Scripture. It is confirmed as well by the famous Catholic St. Augustine of Hippo who said " "He, Christ, alone being made
a man but remaining God never had any sin nor did He take on flesh of sin, though He took flesh of the
sin of His mother."
mpenaco 8 months ago
Very nicely done video, respectful, informative and beautiful.
Thank you.
petruscephas 9 months ago
Beuitful Chant you most Blessed Women, Cant wait to convert over to the RCC when I am 18. Curently I am Presbyterian, God Bless.
lippertism 10 months ago
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(In reference to humanity) "For all have sinned and come short of the Glory of God."- Romans 3:32.
MrEmadshalabi 10 months ago
Hail Mary, Full Of Grace, The Lord Is With Thee. Blessed Art Thou Among Women And Blessed Is The Fruit Of Thy Womb, JESUS. HOLY MARY IMMACULATE VIRGIN, Mother Of GOD, Pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death, AMEN
thesword3 10 months ago
The doctrine of the Immaculate Conception of Mary goes directly against the teachings contained in both the Old and New Testaments:
Psalm 51:5 - Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, And in sin my mother conceived me.
Romans 3:23 - for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.
1 Cor. 15:22 - For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive.
There is nothing in Scripture that exempts Mary from the stain of original and actual sins.
mpenaco 1 year ago
@mpenaco well in response to the word "all" in romans 3:23, this word was translated from a greek word that was used as all or many or most, now this same greek word was used in Paul but was translated as many, to give example. So for you to believe that this verse is meaning all, than you wouldn't believe Jesus to be sinless and you would have very hard time in describing why babies and mentally challenged who can't decipher right from wrong thus not commiting personal sin go to heaven.
3072624197 10 months ago
@3072624197 Thank you for your reply. The "all" in Romans 3:23 does not include Jesus because he was not created, not made but begotten of the Father. His conception was not through a man but by the sinless Holy Spirit of God. When Paul proclaimed that all have sinned, it means all who descended from Adam and Eve, which includes Mary and the rest of us. The mentally challenged and the babies all descended from Adam and they too are guilty of sin and therefore need the saving grace of God.
mpenaco 10 months ago
@mpenaco so if he was created through a sexless bonding of spirit and egg in mary which is humanly IMPOSSIBLE by the way then why did he sin...granted it was only once but mary and joseph told him to stay were they could find him and he went to go preach the word of god when they found him they told him not to do that again and he didnt...but he still disobeyed his mother and father...but since we are made in gods image anyway that means god in full of sin corruption disease etc...
saintluciferisgod 10 months ago
@saintluciferisgod What is impossible for humans is possible with God. Mary conceived Jesus not by human intercourse but by the power of God. Mary gave birth to Jesus and yet she remained a virgin, giving her and Joseph a fresh start in their married relationship. Jesus, despite being born of a sinfull woman, remained sinless by the power of God. He, not Mary, was preserved from all forms of sin. Jesus disobeyed Mary many times but that didn't matter. Obedience to God is what matters.
mpenaco 10 months ago
@mpenaco so let me get this straight..."Honor your father and your mother, so that your days may be long in the land that the Lord your God is giving you"...is meaning less if the one breaking the rule is "jesus". but be it a normal man we will go to hell...thats contradiction #1
if "god " supposedly made us in his image then that means he is flawed just like us #2
saintluciferisgod 10 months ago
@saintluciferisgod I'm sorry to say but it is your understanding that is having all the contradictions, not the Word of God. Listen to what Jesus taught his disciples about who's more important - your father, mother, brother, sister - or God. "And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or children or farms for My name's sake, will receive many times as much, and will inherit eternal life." (Mat. 19:29). No one comes between us and God.
mpenaco 10 months ago
@mpenaco since we now know god is flawed like us that means he is not omnipotent so therefore he could not have MADE mary become pregnant without intercourse because we are made in his image and that is how HE would have to conceive a child is by intercourse...unless we are not of his image...#3
so now we understand that "GOD" had sex with mary and impregnated her...no wait wait wait an "ANGEL" named gabriel had sex with mary and had GODS son...so gabriel is god? #4
saintluciferisgod 10 months ago
@saintluciferisgod Again, our God is not flawed. He is perfect and no one compares to Him. It is us and everything in us that is so flawed that apart from God, we are helpless and can do nothing to make us look good in God's eyes. Your natural rebellious mind is blinding you to the truth of Scripture. Repent and believe the Gospel.
mpenaco 10 months ago
@mpenaco but wait wait i do apologize what was i thinking. god IS jesus! and someone called the "holy spirit"...sounds like a bad opium experience to me...but if god is jesus then in effect god told his employee to have sex with his daughter so she would get inpregnated and have himself...#5
saintluciferisgod 10 months ago
@saintluciferisgod So you don't believe Jesus is God who became human? I hope I'm wrong in my understanding of your beliefs because if not, then you're no different from the Jehovah's witnesses who preach falsely that Jesus is just another of God's creation.
mpenaco 10 months ago
@mpenaco you are both...you are right becuase that isnt my belief you are wrong because i dont believe there is a god...when you die you are just like every other animal on the face of the earth you go into the ground and become worm food...the only reason "GOD" even exist is because you evolved a concious "rational" thinking prosses some few thousand years ago...and when you have a thinking brain you have to ask questions...when you cant find answers you turn to super people in the sky...
saintluciferisgod 10 months ago
@saintluciferisgod Unfortunately for you, your belief that there is no God does not change the fact that there is a God and that he is ruling his creation from his throne in heaven. I believe there is God because he reveals himself to me, and not because my brain cannot find answers to certain questions. Man's knowledge about God does not come from man himself but from God who chooses to reveal himself to man. You say you do not believe in God? I believe you. That only shows God has not...
mpenaco 10 months ago
@saintluciferisgod ... revealed himself to you.
mpenaco 10 months ago
@mpenaco "god" revealed himself to me through the fact that he "made" us and then let us go about as if he doesnt want anything tto do with us...such as the famines in 3rd world countrys the pandemics that kill thousands....the tsunami in japan...or is that because they dont beleive in god. and just so i understand what you are saying. god doesnt come from man god comes from god who made god and god made man. and if this is so then why are there so many diffrent religions woulndt the 1 true god
saintluciferisgod 10 months ago
@saintluciferisgod God's revelations to man are contained in Holy Scriptures. He says there that:
1. Man is sinful and he will suffer eternal torment in hell unless he believes in Jesus the Son of God.
2. Physical death is not the end of life. It is just the beginning of a life in heaven or in hell.
3. Jesus Christ will someday return to judge us based on our deeds. We will all rise again to either a resurrection of life or death.
(continued)
mpenaco 10 months ago
@saintluciferisgod We all deserve to die because of our sins so those who die in famines, tsunamis and other calamities are not really innocent in God's eyes. But here's the interesting truth: We are not to fear physical death. The spiritual death which the Bible calls the second death is what we should fear because it is everlasting and painful for the soul. We all die physically but if we belong to God's elect, we will rise again and live forever in heaven with God.
mpenaco 10 months ago
only allow there to be one religion since they al claim that they are all the one and only religion to follow. or does it make more sense for every single religion to have come from an individual or a few individuals so that they could extort power from ignorant fools that blindly follow anything they are told?
saintluciferisgod 10 months ago
@saintluciferisgod Belonging to a religion is not God's requirement for holiness or greater spirituality. The truth is, the religions of the world have become the breeding ground for evil doctrines and satanic acts geared towards deceiving the people. God's religion is simple: "Whatever you do to the least of my brothers, you do it for me." Our acts of mercy for the poor are what matters to God. Not our attendance at church.
mpenaco 10 months ago
@mpenaco do you understand what you are trying to preach to me...i mean do you really listen to what you are saying in your mind when you type this out onto the internet so others can see how ignorant you sound?
contradiction "again" #1 gods words are contained in holy scriptures...which man wrote so they are atamatically flawed becuase man is flawed
#2 if god was a just god he woulndt send the ones that die from famine tsunamis and other calamities to hell just because they are ignorant..
saintluciferisgod 10 months ago
@saintluciferisgod
Truth #1. Even though mortal men wrote Scripture, they are flawless and without error because they were written at the inspiration of God. (2 Tim. 3:16-17)
Truth #2. God is not only just. He is merciful too. Since the time of the Fall, man is in rebellion against God. As a sinner, he has become God's enemy. But in His mercy God chose to save a great multitude from being punished in hell. (continued)
mpenaco 10 months ago
@mpenaco
#1 so men are flawless and without sin if they are working for god
#2 then if hes going to take all that follow his commandments into heaven why should we fear him...he is after all a just and merciful god
saintluciferisgod 10 months ago
@saintluciferisgod #1 The writings of the disciples are God's revelation of Himself to man. The disciples like Paul, John, Matthew, Mark, Luke and Peter who wrote them were guided by God himself so those writings are error-free.
#2 The fear of the Lord simply means doing our best to keep what God commands and avoiding those things that offends Him.
mpenaco 10 months ago
@saintluciferisgod The surprising truth is not that God sends people to hell because those souls deserve their just punishment. The amazing truth is that God brings certain souls to heaven despite their being sinful and being rebels. The basis for going to hell is not dying from famine or tsunami or ignorance. The basis is not doing the will of God. Even if you die today from famine, your soul will go to heaven if God finds that during your life on earth, you live keeping His commandments.
mpenaco 10 months ago
@mpenaco I have to disagree with your sentiment. It is human nature to survive. You are saying that if I die living a life free of sin, or if I try being as free from sin as I can be, I will get into heaven; Why is it not a sin if I don't think it is a sin?
God would not have made humans simply to go against their nature and obey him. According to Jesus, your god wants all to be saved. There is no way some can deserve punishment if we can also be saved.
57worldwide 9 months ago
@57worldwide Our going to heaven or hell is not up to us but entirely up to God. That is the revelation of Scripture. We do the things that are pleasing to God because God himself enables us by giving us a new heart that longs to please God. Without this act of God, everything we think, say and do cannot please God.
Jesus never said God wants all to be saved. The truth is that Jesus came to save those that God gave him. They are His elect and they will all be saved through Christ.
mpenaco 9 months ago
@mpenaco and dont know of him or what he is
#3 your entire 3rd paragraph if religion is corrupt then so is christianity because obviously its a religion
#4 at first you said beliving in jesus the son of god would get you into heaven then you changed it to helping out the heathens that are going to die and go to hell anyway becaus they dont know the word of jesus.
#5 just an after though...so as long as i believe in jesus im gold but if i dont believe in jesus and i only beileve in god..
saintluciferisgod 10 months ago
@saintluciferisgod Your religion cannot save you is what Scripture proclaims. God's religion according to Christ is when you feed the hungry, cloth the naked, help the sick, etc. Those who do these things belong to the God's religion regardless of their affiliations. The corruption in many religious organizations is the work of Satan. The false doctrines, child molestations and homosexual perversions are thee evil fruits. God has nothing to do with them.
mpenaco 9 months ago
@mpenaco or i believe like the jewish that moses was the messiah then all these people like taht are going to go to hell and burn in the everlasting fiery pit of eternal damnation because jesus which was a JEW is the messiah and you have to follow blind ignorant indoctrine to get to heaven
saintluciferisgod 10 months ago
@saintluciferisgod Who told you that Moses was the Messiah? You need to research Jewish messianism before making claims like that. There is no way you could prove to a Christian that Christianity is wrong without using the Bible which they believe is true. Just asking questions will only make their beliefs stronger, they will simply see you as a persecutor.
Questioning someone's set of beliefs is not the same as questioning their belief in a religion, can I ask what are your motives?
57worldwide 9 months ago
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Psalm 51:5
Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me.
St. Bernard:
"For this reason, our astonishment is not small in seeing that some of you are believed to be able to introduce a new feast that is unknown to the rite of the Church that cannot be approved by reason, that is condemned by the ancient traditions, the Feast of the Immaculate Conception."
mpenaco 1 year ago
Those who believe that mary was sinless are calling God a liar. Romans 3:23 says "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God." Revelation 15:4 says, "Who shall not fear thee, O Lord, and glorify thy name? For thou only art holy." Romans 3:10 says, There is none righteous, no, not one." Luke2:22,24 proves she needed purification from sin.
kiwichristian2009 1 year ago
It is the feast of the immaculate conception. God rest to all your souls.
Lawborn2 1 year ago
@Lawborn2 St. Bernard: "For this reason, our astonishment is not small in seeing that some of you are believed to be able to introduce a new feast that is unknown to the rite of the Church that cannot be approved by reason, that is condemned by the ancient traditions, the Feast of the Immaculate Conception."
mpenaco 10 months ago
Father, You prepared the Virgin Mary to be the worthy mother of your Son. You let her share beforehand in the salvation Christ would bring by his death, and kept her sinless from the first moment of her conception. Help us by her prayers to live in your presence without sin. We ask this through our Lord Jesus Christ, your Son, who lives and reigns with you and the Holy Spirit, one God, forever and ever.
Happy Feast Day, everyone! God bless you.
waxedwings 1 year ago
@waxedwings God never kept Mary sinless from the moment of her conception. God clearly revealed through David: "Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me."
You make God a liar by proclaiming Mary to be sinless from her conception.
mpenaco 10 months ago
Why would God need Mary to be sinless?
whiteclaudia9 1 year ago
@whiteclaudia9 T God didn't need, because if He did He would be lacking, which He cannot. It is just how God chose it to be.
riemerco 1 year ago
The Bible never says Mary was born without sin....
computerwiz10 1 year ago
@computerwiz10 Never says she was born with sin either does it. So much for your commnet
Bingolly1 1 year ago 2
@Bingolly1 Well, if you've ever read the Bible, you ought to know that it does. Try reading between the lines next time and actually follow the Truth.
computerwiz10 1 year ago 2
@computerwiz10 Maybe you just got caught in your ignorance. BTW if you followed the truth you would be Catholic. So much for your truth:)
Bingolly1 1 year ago
@Bingolly1 Well guess what? I'm converting to Catholicism so calm yourself. The Bible is the only truth there is. And if Mary was born so perfect without sin, she would die on the cross and there would be no need for Jesus.
computerwiz10 1 year ago
@computerwiz10 and @Bingolly1: Firstly, it is important approach all persons, Christian or otherwise with Christian charity. Second, all that is in the Bible is true, but all that is true is not in the Bible. This is why people read the Bible and then discuss what it might mean. Protestants do it often in the form of Bible studies, Catholics look to the Magisterium as well as sacred tradition. From these two sources we find that the Immaculate Conception to be a truth revealed to us.
riemerco 1 year ago
@riemerco How do you reconcile the Catholic church's proclamation that Mary was born, lived and died without original and actual sins with the Bible's proclamation that "ALL have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" and that "In sin my mother conceived me" ?
mpenaco 9 months ago
@mpenaco Did Christ sin? Of course not - the Church teaches that He is impeccable. Do infants sin? No, they cannot, and many die before reaching the age of reason. Some profoundly disabled persons live to an adult age but never gain the use of reason or the ability to sin. So certainly the Scripture does not teach that every single individual person has committed actual sin. More to the point, who are you to determine what a passage of Scripture means? What authority has been given to you?
jesusthroughmary 8 months ago
@jesusthroughmary Infants do not have actual sins but they, like the rest of us, are tainted with the original sin of Adam. The Bible makes that revelation in no uncertain terms for us:
"For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive." (1 Cor. 15:22)
"Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me." (Ps. 51:5)
"for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" (Rom.3:23)
That is why God is fully justified in hating Esau even before he was born.
mpenaco 8 months ago
@mpenaco Original sin and actual sin are two different things. The guilt of original sin is remitted by the grace of baptism, which is to say the grace flowing from the blood of Christ on the cross. The dogma of the Immaculate Conception teaches that Mary was preserved from the stain of original sin in a different way than the rest of us but by the same grace. The proclamation made by Bl. Pius IX is silent regarding any actual sin of Mary.
jesusthroughmary 8 months ago
@jesusthroughmary Which proclamation has greater authority for you, the Catholic church or the Bible? The Catholic church is proud of its apostolic heritage but it contradicts the very teachings of the apostles particulary that of St. Paul who proclaims that all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God and that we all die because we inherited the sin of Adam. But your church thinks Mary is exempt from all these. What is the basis of that?
mpenaco 8 months ago
@jesusthroughmary The authority of Scripture stands on its own. It is God-breathed and there is no authority on earth higher than the truth it proclaims. What authority do I have to determine what the passage means? The same authority that the Berean Jews had when they heard Paul preaching to them. They consulted Scripture to see if what Paul was saying was from God. That should be our approach as well. We consult Scripture for every new teaching we hear, even from our own church.
mpenaco 8 months ago
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@computerwiz10 and @Bingolly1: Firstly, it is important approach all persons, Christian or otherwise with Christian charity. Second, all that is in the Bible is true, but all that is true is not in the Bible. This is why people read the Bible and then discuss what it might mean. Protestants do it often in the form of Bible studies, Catholics look to the Magisterium as well as sacred tradition. From these two sources we find that the Immaculate Conception to be a truth revealed to us.
riemerco 1 year ago
@Bingolly1 Firstly it is important to approach all people with Christian charity, computerwiz. Secondly, all that is in the Bible is true, but not all that is true is in the Bible. From this we see that people study the Bible to find truth. This is mostly protestants who look at solely the Bible. On the other hand, Catholics look to the Bible, Tradition, and the Magisterium on these matters. From these sources we find that the Immaculate Conception to be a truth revealed to us by God.
riemerco 1 year ago
@riemerco 2 Questions for you: Which has greater authority for you, Tradition, the Magisterium or the Bible? Which authority is followed when there is a conflict among the 3?
mpenaco 8 months ago
@Bingolly1 Firstly it is important to approach all people with Christian charity, computerwiz. Secondly, all that is in the Bible is true, but not all that is true is in the Bible. From this we see that people study the Bible to find truth. This is mostly protestants who look at solely the Bible. On the other hand, Catholics look to the Bible, Tradition, and the Magisterium on these matters. From these sources we find that the Immaculate Conception to be a truth revealed to us by God.
riemerco 1 year ago
@Bingolly1
Be kind and say all you say with love, not derision.
mariagianna624 1 year ago
@Bingolly1 The catholic organisation opposes the truth of Gods Word.
kiwichristian2009 1 year ago
@Bingolly1 the rcc says that evolution is in line with Christianity and catholics can believe in it. This is CONTRARY to the Bible. the rcc says mary was sinless. this is CONTRARY to the Bible. the rcc says confess your sins to a priest. this is CONTRARY to the Bible. the rcc says mary can save you. this is CONTRARY to the Bible. the rcc says peter was "the rock". this is CONTRARY to the Bible. The rcc murdered MILLIONS of Christians. This is CONTRARY to the Bible.
kiwichristian2009 1 year ago
@computerwiz10 Firstly it is important to approach all people with Christian charity, computerwiz. Secondly, all that is in the Bible is true, but not all that is true is in the Bible. From this we see that people study the Bible to find truth. This is mostly protestants who look at solely the Bible. On the other hand, Catholics look to the Bible, Tradition, and the Magisterium on these matters. From these sources we find that the Immaculate Conception to be a truth revealed to us by God.
riemerco 1 year ago
@computerwiz10 Firstly it is important to approach all people with Christian charity, computerwiz. Secondly, all that is in the Bible is true, but not all that is true is in the Bible. From this we see that people study the Bible to find truth. This is mostly protestants who look at solely the Bible. On the other hand, Catholics look to the Bible, Tradition, and the Magisterium on these matters. From these sources we find that the Immaculate Conception to be a truth revealed to us by God.
riemerco 1 year ago
@Bingolly1 but we all know that she was a siiner cause the bible says everybody on earth was is a sinner {except christ} and if she did not sin then the bible is a lie right??
HeidyfromNorway 1 year ago
@HeidyfromNorway Wrong
Bingolly1 1 year ago
@Bingolly1 ok tell me a bible verse were it says that she was not a sinner
HeidyfromNorway 1 year ago
@HeidyfromNorway You do not have the theological ability to understand the Bible or why Mary had to be preserved from the stain of original sin. I waste my time with people who ask such an ignorant question after it has been explained 100's of times.
Bingolly1 1 year ago
@Bingolly1 please show me the verse...o right theres no verse in the bible that shows she was sinless o and please she me in the bible that the Immaculate Conception is real o wait there isnt its man made to me thats BLASPHEMY but yet again you caltholics are satanic
HeidyfromNorway 1 year ago
@HeidyfromNorway Please show me the verse that says everything Jesus taught and eveything revealed to the apostles as truth is written in the bible...o right there is no verse in the bible that backs up this idea...now what? You demand biblical proof texts from others but cant provide one to defend your own approach to knowing truth. Jesus tells you to submit to the church but you disagree with him and only submit to what you personally think the bible teaches.
thezteam6 1 year ago
@HeidyfromNorway Why are you noncatholics so willing to dismiss Mary
so quickly. Do you really believe that Jesus is ok with all that you are doing
to her? And to call anyone Satanic? We are Gods children also. Do you
really think he is ok with what you are accusing us of?
ILOVEJESUS556 10 months ago
@Bingolly1 But God DOES tell us that ALL have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God, doesn't He?
kiwichristian2009 1 year ago
@computerwiz10
She calls Christ her savior, which he was and is. Since she was 'ground zero' as it were in the event of our Salvation, which began the instance she came into existence. HER egg was to become our Divine Savior when fertilized by the Holy Spirit, her womb was to become the holy of holies, the tabernacle of almighty God, and by that very fact, God purified her, getting her ready to become the mother of God. It was his gift to her, and to us.
mariagianna624 1 year ago
@mariagianna624 Yes, I can believe she was purified before Jesus entered her..yet I just cannot belive she was BORN that way, because it is not Biblical.
computerwiz10 1 year ago
Why is it called "immaculate"? Why not just conception? The implication is that normal sex is "macculate"? even if married in the Sacrament of the Church? The fact is that to get pregnant Mary had some type of relation with God. If Jesus was a man then he had 46 chromosomes. Half from Mary and half from God. If Mary was married did not she had a honeymoon or consumation? And if God can have a union with a woman, to have a son, why the catholic church insists in celibacy? Why choose a married one
fightprejudice 1 year ago
For the birth of Jesus to be sinless, Mary was a virgin, however the Bible doesn't state that Mary's mother was also a virgin, this is Catholic tradition. The problem is that to explain virgin birth, that it would have had to go back all the way to Eve before the fall. This is an argument ad nauseum. This diminishes the true miracle of Christ's birth. Faith in Mary is not saving faith. Faith in Jesus is. How does one get to Jesus? Do Catholics get there? Jesus is too scary to pray to?
courag1 1 year ago
whats the song called?
Angmarr 1 year ago
Great Video Bingolly!! Keep speaking the Truth Brother! I left some comments to your friend Primeda..........I don't think he likes me.lol
hockeyrulesus 1 year ago
I just don't think anything extra-biblical should be considered doctrine. I think she is blessed but not to the point the Catholic Church has made her. I just wish people would read what the bible say's before believing what a group of men deem to be correct. Men that are not perfect and certainly not Vicars of Christ.
Primeda 1 year ago
@Primeda Like most Protestants you say it isn't Biblical because you cannot see it. But that is your choice.
Bingolly1 1 year ago
@Bingolly1 Can you send me some biblical text that talks about mary being immaculately conceived? It would seem that this wouild be very important since the catholic church is saying that Jesus wasn't the first immaculate birth and wasn't the first person born without sin. Satan loves the catholic church because it continues to take away from the uniqueness and power of Christ. Please respond with the proof. Thanks
ShuffleUpTv 1 year ago
@ShuffleUpTv
It is not explicit, but rather implicit, much like the word trinity is not in the Bible, but the doctrine is implied. In John, he writes that the law came through Moses, grace and truth comes through Jesus Christ. Before Moses, there was no law, and before Jesus, there was no grace. Yet in luke, the angel Gabriel addresses Mary as Hail, full of grace. So how did Mary become full of grace without Jesus? The Church answers this with the dogma of the immaculate conception,
sonofmary1 1 year ago
@sonofmary1 What!! Catholics developed the concept of "no original sin" and the "immaculate conception of Mary" because of the words "full of grace? You said that there was no grace before Jesus? Look at Genesis 6:8
But Noah found grace before the Lord. Go to the catholic Douay-Rheims Bible and type in the word grace. You were just joking right?
ShuffleUpTv 1 year ago
@ShuffleUpTv
Not at all. The catholic church does not get its dogmas from the Bible, rather the Church which produced the Bible, explicitly teaches some of her dogmas in Sacred Scripture, and implicitly teaches others. This is why Paul tell us to obey his words, whether written or in oral teachings. You are practicing the doctrine of sola scriptura, which is in no way found in the scriptures. You need to show me where it says that all of our doctrines have to come from the Bible.
sonofmary1 1 year ago
@sonofmary1 My friend, the Bible (scripture) was already "produced". The catholics can only make the claim of assembling the scriptures, not producing. This youtube forum does not yield enough space to debate of following scripture vs tradition. Please send me your email so we can discuss it further. Be prepared to become a Christian vs a Catholic!
ShuffleUpTv 1 year ago
@ShuffleUpTv Again your ignorance of the origin of the Bible is amazing. I will let y
Bingolly1 1 year ago
@Bingolly1 God did not give councils the authority to select His sacred books, nor does He expect men to receive His sacred books only because of councils or on the basis of councils. It takes no vote or sanction of a council to make the books of the Bible authoritative. Men were able to rightly discern which books were inspired before the existence of ecclesiastical councils and men can do so today.
kiwichristian2009 1 year ago
@Bingolly1 It cannot be proven that the Catholic Church is solely responsible for the gathering and selection of the New Testament books. In fact, it can be shown that the New Testament books were gathered into one volume and were in circulation long before the Catholic Church claims to have taken its action in 390 at the council of Hippo.
kiwichristian2009 1 year ago
@Bingolly1 If the Bible is a Catholic book, why does it nowhere mention the Catholic Church? Why is there no mention of a pope, a cardinal, an archbishop, a parish priest, a nun, or a member of any other Catholic order? If the Bible is a Catholic book, why is auricular confession, indulgences, prayers to the saints, adoration of Mary, veneration of relics and images, and many other rites and ceremonies of the Catholic Church, left out of it?
kiwichristian2009 1 year ago
@kiwichristian2009 Your just jealous because the Church gave you the Bible. Then because of pride you threw away seven books. Great, if you do not like what a book teaches just throw it out. Makes for great theology:)
Bingolly1 1 year ago
@Bingolly1 Not a very intelligent answer, my friend. When the apostles wrote the New Testament documents they were inspired by the power of the Holy Spirit. There wasn't any real issue of whether or not they were authentic. Their writings did not need to be deemed worthy of inclusion in the Canon of Scripture by a later group of men in the so-called Roman Catholic Church. To make such a claim is, in effect, to usurp the natural power and authority of God himself.
kiwichristian2009 1 year ago
@kiwichristian2009 The Gospel according Mark was not written by an apostle...why is it considered God inspired scripture?...because the RCC told you so.
thezteam6 1 year ago
@kiwichristian2009 WRONG there was an issue, of course with the Jews, you see they didn't consider the new testament inspired, so Luther thought he had to follow the Jews on the old testament (basically cuz the new ideas he was pushing would've been sabotaged by the other books) but the church on the new testament, so which is it? The Jews knew best yet didn't include new testament? Luther also wanted to get rid of the epistle of James because it didn't support his views
3072624197 10 months ago
@3072624197 I don't care what luther did or did not do, i am not a protestant or a lutheran, my friend. What exactly is your argument here? That the NT is not inspired? that the apocrypha is not inspired?
kiwichristian2009 10 months ago
@Bingolly1 Judith falsely states that Nebuchadnezzar reigns over the Assyrians,whereas he ruled Babylon instead.Torbit could not have witnessed the division of Israel into the northern and southern kingdoms in 931BC(Tor1:4),and have been deported 200 years later in 734BC(Tor1:10).Ecc3:3 states that giving money forgives sins. This contradicts Christs' work on the cross. Jesus and the apostles quote 260 times from the 35 out of 39 OT books, yet they NEVER quoted the apocrypha.
kiwichristian2009 1 year ago
@kiwichristian2009 You are incorrect when you state the NT doesnt quote from the apocrypha...Matt. 27:43 - if He is God's Son, let God deliver him from His adversaries follows Wisdom 2:18. Mark 4:5,16-17 - Jesus' description of seeds falling on rocky ground and having no root follows Sirach 40:15. Either way, your logic is flawed...must a NT book/letter quote the OT to qualify as scripture? Are you willing to throw out every NT book/letter that doesnt quote from the OT?
thezteam6 1 year ago
@thezteam6 Do these verses state that "it is written in the apocrypha" ?
kiwichristian2009 1 year ago
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thezteam6 1 year ago
@kiwichristian2009 Where does this standard for identifying scripture come from? Must a NT book or letter directly quote an OT book to qualify the OT as scripture? Will you reject any and all OT books that are not quoted in the NT or just the apocrapha?
thezteam6 1 year ago
@Bingolly1 Jerome plainly rejects all the apocryphal books from the canon. In his Prologus Galeatus he says “As there are twenty and two letters, so there are counted twenty and two books. Therefore the Wisdom of Solomon, and Jesus, and Judith, and Tobit, are not in the canon.” (See the intro. to the Vulgate in his own hand.)Gregory the Great,in his commentaries on Job,(Lib.XIX.C16) expressly writes that the books of Mac, isnt canonical,as well as the rest.Josephus agrees.
kiwichristian2009 1 year ago
@Bingolly1 Neither their authors nor the circumstances of their writings are known.The Jews nor the early Christians accepted them as inspired scripture.The books themselves dont claim inspiration.There's no"Thus saith the Lord"'s .Although the N.T has 263 direct quotes from and 370 allusions to the O.T,there's not a single reference to the books of the apocrypha.It was at Trent,Ap.8th1546,that the pope declared tradition+the apocrypha to be canonical and authoritative.
kiwichristian2009 1 year ago
@kiwichristian2009 Why do you believe everything Jesus taught and everything that was revealed to the apostles was written down in the bible? Why does scripture never mention this idea of yours? The scriptures identify the Church of the living God as the pillar and foundation for all truth, yet you disagree and say it is the bible. What biblical basis do you have to claim all revealed truth is contained inside?
thezteam6 1 year ago
@ShuffleUpTv
Not true at all. The beginnings of the Church are in Acts, when the holy spirit descended upon the apostles. This is the beginning of The Church. Luke then wrote about this episode possibly fifty years later, but perhaps earlier. Whatever the case, the Church existed for several decades before the Gospels were written. None of the first Christians had the New Testament. Over time, heresies emerged which required authoritative writings to combat the heresy.
sonofmary1 1 year ago
@ShuffleUpTv catholics mearly defined what IT would use as the Bible. You are right. Versions of the NT in other languages available early in Christianity: Peshitta Version AD 150 The Italic Bible AD 157 The Waldensian AD 120 & onwards Gallic Bible (Southern France) AD177 Gothic Bible AD 330-350 Old Syriac Bible AD 400 Armenian Bible AD 400 (There are 1244 copies of this version still in existence.) Palestinian Syriac AD 450
kiwichristian2009 1 year ago
@sonofmary1 the catholic organisation did NOT produce the Bible.
kiwichristian2009 1 year ago
@ShuffleUpTv
Yes there was grace before Jesus, but God, who is outside of time, can apply the merits of Jesus Christ to anyone at any time. That is why the Church teaches that Mary was preserved from the stain of original sin, THROUGH THE MERITS OF JESUS CHRIST. Mary is the ark of the new covenant. If we engage in a thoroughly biblical concept called typology, we will begin to see more clearly. The main point here is that the fulfillment is always greater than that which was foreshadowed.
sonofmary1 1 year ago
@sonofmary1 Show me proof of the immaculate conception of Mary. Satan Loves the Catholic church because they deny the specialness of Jesus. Is there anyone else the catholics want to add to being immacuately conceived before Jesus? I would love to have a debate with you on whether the Catholic church is the church that Jesus built.
ShuffleUpTv 1 year ago
@ShuffleUpTv Your ignorance is typical of SDA members. Ready Catholic Doctrines for all the proof you need. Now show me proof of Sola Scriptura.
Bingolly1 1 year ago
@ShuffleUpTv
This is why Paul calls the Church the Pillar and Foundation of Truth. If Paul wanted us to follow sola scriptura, he should have said that the scriptures are our foundation, but he does not do that. According to Paul, the Church is our Foundation. This is perfectly in line with what Jesus said, when he said that the gates of hell would not prevail against his church. This means that at no time did his church not exist. Go to the Church fathers, even the heretics were Catholic.
sonofmary1 1 year ago
@ShuffleUpTv
Now, the Ark of the Old covenant, was made of incorruptible wood, and it was death to anyone who would touch it. Since the Bible clearly teaches that Mary is the ark of the New covenant, (Luke), Mary has to be even greater than that of the old. Adam was a type of Christ, yet Christ was far greater than Adam.
sonofmary1 1 year ago
@ShuffleUpTv
Where did the word Catholic come from. St ignatius of Antioch calls the Church Catholic. He was ordained Bishop by Simon Peter, and studied under John. He uses the term as if it is already widely accepted. You could make a strong case that the term comes from the original apostles themselves. At the very least, it was used long before Constantine. I would like to know when you think was the moment the church became the whore of babylon.
sonofmary1 1 year ago
@Primeda Well, This group of men deem to be correct, gave you your Canon of the Bible, defined the doctrine of the Trinity, among other things. Is, what you are saying, We only deem these men correct on the Bible and the Trinity, but nothing else, or, are you saying we pick and choose what we believe? If you chose the latter, then you are a True Protestant. If you read your Bible, you will find Christ left us a Church, guided by the Holy Spirit, through All Truths.
hockeyrulesus 1 year ago
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hockeyrulesus 1 year ago
@Primeda You said: " men are not perfect and certainly not the Vicars of Christ."
So I ask, Was Peter perfect? How 'bout John? Paul? Thomas? I thought, only Christ was perfect. Do you know something I don't? Yet, these men gave us the words we hold sacred. What was your point again?
hockeyrulesus 1 year ago
Its insane watching christians argue amongst themselves. If all of them cant stick to one story, then why should anyone else believe any of it?? The immaculate conception is bullshit, it never happened. Why? Because women dont get pregnant without having an egg fertilized. Theres no need to quote scripture or any other argument. The only proof would be the video of Gabriel speaking to Mary, and it just hasnt surfaced yet.
deepelmdesciple 2 years ago
Great point on Christians arguing amongst one another. Indeed there is no tangible neccessity for the 1% of Christians in the world who are not Orthodox & Catholic to argue about these things.
Might I offer correction on one point.
The Immaculate Conception is doesn't immediately pertain to Christ Jesus. The Immaculate Conception's a term used to describe when the Mother of God was conceived. The term used for the conception of Christ Jesus is called the Incarnation of the Word of God.
ammazzamoro 2 years ago
Pagans call their gods as "god".
We call our God as "God". Is it wrong? NO.
When we call Mary the Queen of Heaven are we giving honor to a pagan figure? NO. =D
bordz120891 2 years ago
Luke 2:22-24 (compare Leviticus 12:1-8); Romans 3:10; 23. (see wiki: immaculate conception; The New Catholic Encyclopedia (1967, Vol. VII, pp. 378-381)
eltigreoso 2 years ago
Mary is the co-mediator (mediatrix) am I right? "For there, is ONE GOD and ONE MEDIATOR between God and men the man Christ Jesus;" 1Tim 2:5
Also Mary is Called the 'Queen of Heaven'-yes?
Jer 7:18 "make cakes to the QUEEN of HEAVEN...provoke me to anger" Jer 44:16-19 again talking bout queen of heaven - it povokes God to anger. By the way the cakes which they baked have a '+' (t)ammuz on top of them(hot cross buns) Eze 8:14 'weeping for tammuz -is what u call Lent (originated by the Egyptians)
jonbookbinder 2 years ago
God the Father split himself in 2 and sent the Holy Spirit part of himself down to blow God's wad in Mary. Mary got knocked up out of wedlock and gave birth to God's illigitimate son Jesus who is also God .
bucksmasher1 2 years ago
Exodus 33:20; John 1:18; 14:28; John 17:5; Hebrews 5:8; 1 Corinthians 11:3; 1 Corinthians 15:28; Philippians 2:6.
eltigreoso 2 years ago
If any Anti-Catholic says we are wrong in honoring Mary just follow this logic:
1. Jesus being a devout Jew and God fullfilled the 10 Commandments to the fullest right?
2. Honor your Mother and Father is one of the commandments
3. Jesus honored his Mother (Mary) better then any other man can honor theirs.
4. As Christians we are to FOLLOW and be like Christ.
5. Christ honored his Mother and so do we.
"Rome has spoken...CASE CLOSED." - St. Augustine.
PaulsGoodFight 2 years ago
Good points Paul and GBU
Bingolly1 2 years ago
God Bless You and your family brother !
PaulsGoodFight 2 years ago
Jesus did not honour his mother much more than he honoured other people who listened to him.
Plus, "honour your mother and father" is relative, as Jesus' followers we are to follow his example, not do exactly the same things as he did.
If you're consistent, we would have to claim to be God and do miracles as well, and why don't you honour Joseph as you honour Mary?
Because it's a Babylonian doctrine, and the Catholic Church is Babylon the Great.
Kaffikjelen 2 years ago
Like most illiterates you fail to give any documentation. Typical
Bingolly1 2 years ago
Your a typical Anti-Catholic....your shown how illogical your claims are and still dish out the same ol' garbage.....
Protestantism is spiritual anarchy. Repent.
PaulsGoodFight 2 years ago
Respectfully, no doubt the relatives of reasoned the same. Luke 11:28; John 2:4; 19:26; Luke 11:28. Honor is not venerate. How about commandments 1-2. John 14:6; Acts 4:12; 1 Timothy 2:5.
eltigreoso 2 years ago
Another good video 5/5
heartofmygod 2 years ago 2
GBU heart
Bingolly1 2 years ago
Luke 2:22-24 (compare Leviticus 12:1-8); Romans 3:10; 23. (see wiki: immaculate conception; The New Catholic Encyclopedia (1967, Vol. VII, pp. 378-381)
eltigreoso 2 years ago
Very good video Bing.When one recalls Christ derived his perfect humanity partly from Mary,s(i.e her egg) one can understand how this doctrine came into being.
SpiritofNewman 2 years ago
When we consider the first Adam and the second Adam, Jesus, along with the first eve and the second eve, Mary, it is hard to see it any other way. GBU
Bingolly1 2 years ago
Thanks heart and thanks for the art work your son does. GBU
Bingolly1 2 years ago
Loved the way you explained this Bing. Some people are not aware that so0metimes these doctrines take time. Peace
TheRockStillStands 2 years ago
Thanks Rock and GBU.
Bingolly1 2 years ago
Spot on. Doctrine is not 'invented'. It becomes doctrine long after it is believed by the faithful, and usually if there is some debate, in which case it merely clarifies existing beliefs.
And your point regarding Job is very interesting. We (Catholic and non-catholic) often disregard our Jewish heritage and at times mistakenly attribute a modern meaning to something which was quite different a thousand years ago. The word 'memory' at the Last Supper is a good example of this.
mapollo 2 years ago
Thanks Mapollo. As with all doctrines we must be careful to interpret the verses in the historical setting and see if they have implications in our doctrines. Then when we use support text that text must also agree with what we are trying to formulate. I have seen some use support text that absolutely does not apply to what they are trying to teach. GBU
Bingolly1 2 years ago
Also Job was looking to be vindicated from the things that happen to him. He felt innocent before God and