@KlevenRobert I wasn't particular trying to be funny so much as express that this would have been nice in better quality. I built a single w-bin for my home cinema and it kicks ass, so fair play on having all that in your room/garage dude, i wasn't trying to slate it.
@cozmium Fair enough, mind you, when that was video'd we didn't have i-phones with high res cameras. I was pretty proud on my Sony Ericsson k800i with 5 megapixel camera BOOM! :D Must say it recorded terrible quality video, u'r right there. But it was among the best ^^ back then... as far as phones go... hehe...
Funny story goes like this: We moved to new zealand, rural area. I thought "FINALLY no more noise limit!!! i can rave all day all night :D". Crancked it up on the rugby world cup final. New zealand _RUGBYLAND_ won the final, new zealand went MENTAL and we crancked the sounds to the limmit(er). What do you think??? after 5 songs we had the noise control (in a rural area) on our doorsteps requesting it to be turned down at 22:00 -_-' there's no country for my speakers....
Hey man, sounds awesome, but i would recommend separation of your mains and your subs, it will clean up the sound. Then again you don't have the room in there xD
PERMANENT & IRREVERSIBLE EAR DAMAGE DUE TO ACOUSTIC TRAUMA
Poor ignorant guy, he will pay for it, Check some industrial safety manuals, OSHA literature or read the label in the back of any professional speakers.
Exposure to high sound pressure levels WILL ( NOT MAY...IT WILL) Cause permanent ear damage.
That is WHY Airpot personnel near airplanes, people in shooting ranges use ear protection ! Helloooo.
Now you can't say you didn't know, but you will do it anyway.
@RDELAPLAZA yes you have a point but however when your a audio engineer you can not wear hearing protection as you need to hear those subtle changes in accoustics and over come them at the board. Now for this yea he should of had something in its just him blowing stuff up in his basement. But on a live audio job you just can't do it.
@RDELAPLAZA I love bassline pressure... and u only live once.... 10 years been listening to heavy dub sounds my ears ring daily but my hearing is still crystal. can here a pin drop.
awesome home stereo there matey, im glad theres other people crazy like me with a giant radio in theyre house. really i enjoyed watch the wood fall off the ceiling. here watch my stereo too xD, havent had the chance to put it on full volume yet, but i can ensure you that it makes enough noice to blow wood too xD
Enough bass to shake the camera at a few meters is what we're talking about :) reminds me of the opus rig down in new zealand... back before we got too many noise complaints the porters would complain instead, clean clear bass that would clean the tables for them ;D hahahahaha
Hi Kleven. Got my gears up n running the other day. I put a clip up on Youtube. "W-Bin blowing out the cobwebs". I've added it here as a video response.
i well wanna get a rig just like yours. it would be ideal! would you possibly be able to tell me where u get your speakers from nd how you link up your speakers amps ect. cuz i rele dont have a clue lol
i had a lot of luck getting those sub's, i got them from a concert hall (Braband hallen netherlands) where they renewed their soundsystem, there originaly were about 32 of these but they are all spread by now. I'd recommend checking out 2nd hand sites etc for w-bins. But there are a lot of terrible designs out there so watch out. Rigging the amp i can discuss with you by mail etc.
yea, i'm getting tired of people who think they know things better... and your comment was totaly retarded cause the vocals of that song have bass in them, it's an effect the dj tought was kinda cool... duh, listen the song
Shut up, the end of your comment there just proves how childish you are, the guy just explained the whole cereal packet hting was shit and you decided to say it again because you thought everyone thought it was hilarious, youre on your own asshole, everything here thinks youre a dick.
w-bin's gaan bijna altijd harder van normale bassreflexen maar als er op een w-bin staat 500W MAX dan kun je er echt wel 700W in drukken maar de vraag was ook kommen ze verder met de bass dan normale speakers ja ze kommen wel veel verder dan normale 18 inch subs
klopt ;) normale bassreflex kasten slaan vrij ver uit (tegen Xmax aan, maximale uitslag van de woofer) als ze maximaal aangeraden vermogen krijgen. Maar een w-bin koppelt de speaker beter met de lucht waardoor deze ook minder ver uitslaat, klinkt raar maar hierdoor kun je de speaker verder pushen omdat de spoel niet snel onderin tegen de magneet zal slaan. Toch moet je opletten met bass lager dan ca 50 hz, gezien de koppeling van de hoorn dan ineens wegvalt.... dus alsnog Xmax
Finding a good pa system is pretty hard. I use my knowledge about sound and my experience in the PA world to chose my components. I usualy check out 2nd hand sale sites etc for in this case W-bin or wbin etc, when i find sommething decent, i go check it out, usualy they sell more stuff and when someone's cheap in one thing, usualy they are cheap in all the things they sell. I'm from the netherlands btw ;) so my english isn't awesome neither.
I recently built a horn with about an 11' path length loaded with 2 x 12 inch JBL GTO 1202D car subwoofers. It pounds fairly hard but has only been tested on 30 watts per speaker. I want more power!!
I haven't measured spl yet, well, with some cheap dB meter, but it maxed out at 127 though i don't trust that thing :P it's also a small garage so spl will be higher then in open air etc. But w-bins are awesome xD u'r right about that. I recomend you try and keep them as close to each other as possible (make it a mono stack if you have to) so you can get deeper bass.
the reason i replyed pissed off was you calling w-bins inefficient. They are the most effecient space/dp horns currently alive (taken some special manifold loaded etc speakers as exception). Also, if you would have watched the video in detail, you could have seen these are backloaded with a ported enclosure, so they are not "boomy" they have a quite flat frequency response with a bump at 120db, can be filtered out with equaliser.
If you stack them with 8x these things in a 1/8th scale of the smaller one. that 120hz bump will be stretched all the way till 20hz, and they become one of the most powerfull and efficient pa-end speakerconstructions known.. (ofcourse, again with exceptions to special systems)
I call a 1000 watts inefficient. A folded horn can beat that out in the 150 watt range as I know one can beat an 18" direct radiator at 500 watts. Now couple them together and even boundary load them and you still can get down to 20hZ. Making them wider with different drivers suitable for the modification can also extend their response and sensitivity.
Please stop spreading crap... Watts has nothing to do with efficiency. it's the db@1w@1m that declares efficiency dumbass, and still, that's not the efficiency, it's just part of a huge formula used to calculate efficiency. Another ass like you made this mistake about 20 comments before this one. Read that before replying again. i'm not even going into this discussion anymore, i'l remove any ignorant stupid comments without any propper facts from you as from now.
if you stack 8 w-bins of this type, you still have the same as a long horn. It's just a compromised design... i'm getting tired of semi-stupid comments <_<
Ok.. so except for your bad english, what is your point? Blowing out a lighter isn't that big of a deal, w-bins usualy displace a lot of air over a lot of surface, so they don't blow out lighters, but they DO displace a lot of air, just on a larger surface.... thus giving less port noise etc
Because for some reason, almost all of the people commenting bad, comment in poor english and without logical arguments and no facts. That kind of annoys me <_< + you didn't make any point, speakers aren't made to blow out lighters ;-)
The because folded horns generally run at a lower air pressure, it has nothing to do with actual volume.
Personally I see the advantages of both W and folded horns.
My main Rig has 4 x Martin WSX which work Long throw bass and 4 x Martin Audio WMX which go lower but don't throw so far. Both completely different designs (yes I have time alligned them). On a 1,000 per channel amp I get 129db (A weighting, Type 2 SPL meter) in front of the stacks and 117db 40 meters away - outdoors.
Yes with "just" 2000 watts, christ, does know one these days bother learning about the 1 watt meter sensitivety rating of drivers and what it actually means?
And then how that translates into output volume?
When I first started out, having an amp that was over 1,000 per channel was huge and no-one complained about lack of sub back then!
I was just thinking about the 10x power to 'twice as loud' rule. Then thinking you can buy home stereos with 200 watts.
117dB at 40m 2000w
107dB at 40m 200w
97 dB at 40m 20w
I was thinking about how amazingly efficient your speakers can be to create as much volume as a chainsaw from 40m away using the same power that would create a chainsaw volume indoors in your bedroom on inefficient home stereo speakers.
The most efficient PA speakers run 15-20dB higher (about 3x as 'loud' to your ears) as the speakers that come with your stereo in the house. What is the 1 watt 1 meter sensitivity of your speakers, or maybe I overestimate the loudness of higher decibel sounds.
I think you may be mistaken.....or you have good HiFi speakers.
Martin Audio WSX 105db 1watt/1 meter.
600w AES / 2,400w PEAK
Continuous SPL 132db, Peak 138db
These are what I was running off my LAB2000C that delivers around 1,150w per channel, 2 subs per channel and gettingthe readings I listed.
If I had a slightly larger amplifier then I would be able to get more than this, but for the extra couple of db, I think it's a very good output already.
You would nearly always use an amplifier with more power than the cabinet's RMS rating to ensure you aren't clipping to get full output from the cabinets.
HiFi speakers are designed to sound good close up, so they don't have the throw you get from horn loaded PA cabs.
A horn loaded box is very good at "throwing" sound a great distance, hence the high SPL over distance.
BTW - I'm trying to stay in simple terms so anyone reading gets the idea.
hey man you remember me in 1997 with a big sound equipment in my small flat yeah i had four JBL K2S9800 loudspeaker and two Mcintosh 275 stereo vacuum tube power amp, man in the midnight i used the full power to listen the faith no more the neighbors calls the police heheh the rest you know..
It's not comparable with this. K2S range is incredibly high quality sound reproduction. Where as my set is just meant for going realy loud. Your speakers would be like a fine Jaguar E-Type where as my speakers are more like a V8 truck :P Awesome combination with the MC amp btw, must've sounded awesome. (i'm not only into pa but i'm also a selfproclaimed audiophile ^^ so i like those kinds of setups.)
There's a huge difference between a Precision Devices 156 and a JBL 2240-h driver. If you have a 15" in a bin this size, you propably have fitted the wrong driver. Especialy the 156 cause it's meant for small vented enclosures. Though they also perform well on small horns around 60hz. I think i've got plans laying around for a simulair driver, i could send them if you wish. Don't load them lower then 50hz though... They have a relatively high resonance frequency of 40hz, it could kill them.
Guessing he means the EV Eliminator 1A cabinets (original ones not the crap released about 6 years back). These work great with JBL 2226's and are one of my favorite compact bins.
that is a nice set up i was wondering what make are the amps and speaker ect and also how much did it all cost to build up your setup what mixer do u have as well
This is the max @ the limiter. Theoreticaly, the amplifier should be able to go about 5% higher before it starts clipping when i apply pink noise (maybe a little more with normal music). But i don't like to push it cause the amplifier is already pushing the JBL's limits, clipping it even slightly could scrap the woofers. Besides, clipping/distortion is just not cool :P Then there's another thing called efficiency. These speakers should put out about 104dB @ 1w/1m.
Every time the power doubles, 3dB's are added. 2w = 107dB, 4w = 110db, 8w = 113dB, 16w = 116dB, eventualy, it comes down to 1024w = 134dB. So the increase of 5% power shouldn't realy matter in sound pressure. (the reason volume goes up in a liniair way when you slide up the pot is because they use a logarithmic pot in almost every sound regulating aspect). Ofcourse the 134dB is theoretical, because i have 2 w-bins, it should dubble power, theoreticaly adding another 3db's to it. 137dB.
Ofcourse, 104db @ 1m/1w is at it's ideal frequency. The problem with w-bins of this size is they are 1/8's w-bins. They should be 8 times as large (8 stacked w-bins) to create a full-horn. Thus lowering the resonance frequency to below 60hz etc giving it a huge boost when stacked(more then 3dB each time it doubles).
well, 32/35hz is propably the cutoff frequency. You should cut off any frequency's lower than this or else you'l risk driver damage. Normaly, the larger the diameter of the driver, the lower they go. On w-bins this is also true but the average resonant frequency is higher cause of the horn effect. Usualy as i told around 50/60 hz for a 18" driver as used in here. These can have loads of abuse because of the immensely riggid driver construction. Watch out with cheaper drivers. They will damange.
hope to get new bass amp soon they have in built low freq cut off. The HED grunty but pretty simple. The w-bins were built in NZ from marine ply too they sound lovely. Brought them of a mate whos been in the sound game for 30 years said they was his best bass bins but too heavy to move,
though youve got to take into account the power compression of the drivers, because of the heat given out by the voice coil, the theoretical gain after about 400w becomes a nonlinear increase that 5% extra will give no more output spl so thats the maximum volume yuoll get out of them, btw do you just have w bins? you know the low frequency cutof with such a small horn path will be about 55hz or their abouts, though if your only doing dance music thats not a problem. what drivers are you using?
if you had read my comments you would have noticed the 2240 drivers ;) they are coilcooled so there's almost no compression. Especialy in w-bins, where the driver only moves 1cm at it's max. They are 60hz minimum, but they go well below that as they are also bass reflex to give them some low/not self distruct under the resonance frequency :P
all drivers have power compression its an effect of thermodynamics cant have a driver that doesn't give out heat & increase its resistance, how well its designed against that is another matter, the overall design of a ported W bin is not necessarily to go below the tuning frequency of the horn, IMO it would be silly to do that as you just get a peak lower than the overall cutoff, and risk the drivers at full power as they will likely be going around x mech (ie knacked driver) depends on T design
that x max seems silly as well, a driver will move a given amount dependent on the power fed into the coil, reaching x max in a given enclosure at rms is what you aught to be aiming for in the design without going above the drivers thermal limit eg. a driver with an xmax of 5mm that can only achieve that when given 1000W of power in a given cab but only has rms power handling of 500w as a design isn't going to work to the drivers potential as spl is a function of the volume of air displaced
It seems you don't quite understand the way w-bins work. It's an air impendance converter. Basicaly, it couples more m2 of air to the conus. Therefore it doesn't need to make a large movement to generate a large SPL. Ofcourse power compression is imminent. But it's reduced to a insignificant number due to the coil cooling the JBL Driver features. The ports are to load the driver below it's tuned frequency so it still has some bass response. Normal horns would damage when loaded below tuning freq
Got two w-bins, with 18inch beymas in them, run by a rebuilt HED110 CerwinVega amp putting out 1.7 kw in mono, through old yamaha 12/4 mixer. got two DAS twin 15s (locally made from 20mm marine ply) for top end run by very old Samick SMP600 (600 watt a channel (needs more!)) through phonic crossover set at 180hz. so f**kn loud it scares me. I get mate to run as I always chicken out when turning it up
i didn't know calculators had cameras
cozmium 3 months ago
@cozmium is that the funnyest thing you could come up with? my god i must be getting old!?
KlevenRobert 3 months ago
@KlevenRobert I wasn't particular trying to be funny so much as express that this would have been nice in better quality. I built a single w-bin for my home cinema and it kicks ass, so fair play on having all that in your room/garage dude, i wasn't trying to slate it.
cozmium 3 months ago
@cozmium Fair enough, mind you, when that was video'd we didn't have i-phones with high res cameras. I was pretty proud on my Sony Ericsson k800i with 5 megapixel camera BOOM! :D Must say it recorded terrible quality video, u'r right there. But it was among the best ^^ back then... as far as phones go... hehe...
KlevenRobert 3 months ago
Funny story goes like this: We moved to new zealand, rural area. I thought "FINALLY no more noise limit!!! i can rave all day all night :D". Crancked it up on the rugby world cup final. New zealand _RUGBYLAND_ won the final, new zealand went MENTAL and we crancked the sounds to the limmit(er). What do you think??? after 5 songs we had the noise control (in a rural area) on our doorsteps requesting it to be turned down at 22:00 -_-' there's no country for my speakers....
KlevenRobert 3 months ago
What´s the song name please? =)
essotanke 6 months ago
plssssssssssssss tell me the name of them bass bottoms!!!! had 8 someone took all of them out of my storage!!!! never knew who made them
djcutlas76 6 months ago
Looks like your camera's having a good old rave dancing around to the slap!
TimpBizkit 6 months ago
hardstyle definitely sounds good on these
NJmetal94 10 months ago
Sacrifice lol
paulvenkman 11 months ago
1:52 lol
pityka20 1 year ago
fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck.... how much was all that shit???
05Insignia 1 year ago
that's the start of a nice collection but you have a long way to go.
i am running 4 pairs of ev mtl1 and 2 pairs of t18 with crown and ev amps.
i thing i have 14kw total, can't remember if i'm bridged on the t18s.
my stereo cost more than my 06 dually.
keep bumping it.
tapper45 1 year ago
Te na górze są w radiu fama Sochaczew.
rafdmo 1 year ago
@rafdmo No idea what to make of that, thought it was obvious i don't speak Swahili or anything by now? xD
KlevenRobert 1 year ago
@KlevenRobert Those at the top are on the radio fama Sochaczew.It is very good.
rafdmo 1 year ago
Hey man, sounds awesome, but i would recommend separation of your mains and your subs, it will clean up the sound. Then again you don't have the room in there xD
TekedixXx 1 year ago
Sould have spent the money on fixing up your shoddy ceiling instead.
spentfromnz 1 year ago
One thing comes to my mind:
PERMANENT & IRREVERSIBLE EAR DAMAGE DUE TO ACOUSTIC TRAUMA
Poor ignorant guy, he will pay for it, Check some industrial safety manuals, OSHA literature or read the label in the back of any professional speakers.
Exposure to high sound pressure levels WILL ( NOT MAY...IT WILL) Cause permanent ear damage.
That is WHY Airpot personnel near airplanes, people in shooting ranges use ear protection ! Helloooo.
Now you can't say you didn't know, but you will do it anyway.
RDELAPLAZA 1 year ago
@RDELAPLAZA
WHAAAAAATTTT?????
KlevenRobert 1 year ago
@RDELAPLAZA
WHAAAAAATTTT????? icannot hear u :D
KlevenRobert 1 year ago 2
@RDELAPLAZA yes you have a point but however when your a audio engineer you can not wear hearing protection as you need to hear those subtle changes in accoustics and over come them at the board. Now for this yea he should of had something in its just him blowing stuff up in his basement. But on a live audio job you just can't do it.
extremeaudioPRO 1 year ago
@RDELAPLAZA I love bassline pressure... and u only live once.... 10 years been listening to heavy dub sounds my ears ring daily but my hearing is still crystal. can here a pin drop.
dubaholicstyle 4 months ago
hey!!what's the title of your music???
vackhard01 1 year ago
i lol'd at 0:58 xD
very nice :D
xHiTeCx 1 year ago
a lot of power ! WOW
multikillone 1 year ago
awesome home stereo there matey, im glad theres other people crazy like me with a giant radio in theyre house. really i enjoyed watch the wood fall off the ceiling. here watch my stereo too xD, havent had the chance to put it on full volume yet, but i can ensure you that it makes enough noice to blow wood too xD
gettowolf 1 year ago
where did u get all that from xD
fabiuh991 1 year ago
@fabiuh991
the internetz :)
KlevenRobert 1 year ago
i think the roof is trying to tell you to turn down the volume xd
stevenb789 1 year ago
Enough bass to shake the camera at a few meters is what we're talking about :) reminds me of the opus rig down in new zealand... back before we got too many noise complaints the porters would complain instead, clean clear bass that would clean the tables for them ;D hahahahaha
N4CR5 1 year ago
Great stuff man! Horns are the best! You don't happen to know what drivers it is? I suppose it's 15"s...
JBLgangsta 1 year ago
headhunter "sacrafice" love hardstyle respects from romania
sergiu23ro 1 year ago
for how mutch mony is that ? :o
woowt123 1 year ago
How ironic that the name of the song is Head Hunters XD You know, cause pieces of wood kept falling on your head ?
americaneagle791 1 year ago
Wohaa! you are a freak! i like it, good stuff :-) keep it up & shake the Neighbourhood! lol
Elnufo 1 year ago
headhunterz (l)
ShownbacKDastylerz 1 year ago
Lol thats sick!! You will be addicted now! 2 more then 4more
keneken110 1 year ago
It is more a B-Win than a W-bin.
If you ask me...
mopeshdeep 1 year ago
It is more a B-Win, than a W- Bin.
If you ask me...
mopeshdeep 1 year ago
wow, the music sucks......you need to sue whoever built your house, it is falling down
hickrystyk 1 year ago
MC DV8 ;)
MetrakitProRaceII 2 years ago
What drivers are you using in those bins Robert?
They got some punch...only I've got a pair of those bins and I'm thinking of putting better drivers in.
However I have heard the sound pressure can shred the cones if not careful!
munwuglus 2 years ago
WHAT??? EH???
fashank22 2 years ago
Hi Kleven. Got my gears up n running the other day. I put a clip up on Youtube. "W-Bin blowing out the cobwebs". I've added it here as a video response.
robmanueb2 2 years ago
dikke respect jongen.
w-bin met jbl driver blaast altijd goed!
twanhubers 2 years ago
de scheiße kratz eh....
7Ronaldo94 2 years ago
Goooooooooooooooooood! lucky man...
gazzzzouille 2 years ago
you are crazy man
the bass be with u ^^
derEgoist0815 2 years ago
the first system on youtube, that has enough bass for me^^
Tux99999 2 years ago 15
i can show you some videos that have WAAY more bass than this..
2 Wbins are really nothing compared to other things
dorplein62 2 years ago
sweet
wheelz696 2 years ago
fuck
AirsoftAndre 2 years ago
you can better wear a helmet down their, safety first
feki122 2 years ago
lollololololololololololololololol awesome as hell
CFFDan 2 years ago
lol the camera at 1:18
2ManyNoobs 2 years ago
man i though i heard u all the way over here in ga land.lol pretty cool keep rockin
musicman257 2 years ago
maaaann you are shaking down your roof!!! ahhaha XD
djbartallaconsole 2 years ago
Cool!!!!!! So habe ich früher auch meine zeit vertrieben auf das wen die dachziegel klappern ist es laut genug 5*****
TheZuberKahl 2 years ago
Translation^^: Cool!!! Thats how i used to spend my time. When the roofsegments are trembling, it's just loud enough.
Response: Yeah sure ^^ the feeling of having that mutch power in just one small volume slider is friggin great ^^ What kind of a setup did you have?
KlevenRobert 2 years ago
nice subs...really =)
xWANTED91x 2 years ago 2
how is the name of this song? :)
pls help me!
derEgoist0815 2 years ago
Headhunterz - The Sacrifice
zecole123 2 years ago
what kind are the bass bins
wooferfreak 2 years ago
Stage Accompany W-bins , they are not made anymore tough
dorplein62 2 years ago
you can sometimes buy w-bins on ebay...
it doesn't cost so much but they often havent so much watt.. but for a few hundred people its enough :D
bootiga999 2 years ago
i well wanna get a rig just like yours. it would be ideal! would you possibly be able to tell me where u get your speakers from nd how you link up your speakers amps ect. cuz i rele dont have a clue lol
peace
samboascendancy 2 years ago
i had a lot of luck getting those sub's, i got them from a concert hall (Braband hallen netherlands) where they renewed their soundsystem, there originaly were about 32 of these but they are all spread by now. I'd recommend checking out 2nd hand sites etc for w-bins. But there are a lot of terrible designs out there so watch out. Rigging the amp i can discuss with you by mail etc.
KlevenRobert 2 years ago
due on my research you might wanna check the carvin live sound its not only its made in usa its also cheaper and have lots of power
okeylang47 2 years ago
YEAHHH I USE CARVIN
DJJASONPRODUCER 2 years ago
128 dB is really loud. I bet it does that to 10-20 meters! I have 2 Hornloaded 15". 600RMS Frontloaded ones.
Try a Synq3K6 or a Vision 3500 for amplification! They have a nice TraFo!
GuruKiwi 2 years ago
holy shit what size woofers were in those??? how many db's was that thing pushing out?
tharrington11 2 years ago
2x 18" horn loaded, about 128db but i had a cheap db meter so i'm not sure.
KlevenRobert 2 years ago
Damn dude, that's loud
tharrington11 2 years ago
Headhunterz !!!!!!!!
xxxDEATHCORExxx 2 years ago
What kind of speaker cabinets are top?
andibadea2104 2 years ago
Have you heard of a crossover? You got vocals in ur bass...
DjFroztbyte 2 years ago 2
Omg retard, just fuck off xD
KlevenRobert 2 years ago
Was that really needed?
DjFroztbyte 2 years ago
yea, i'm getting tired of people who think they know things better... and your comment was totaly retarded cause the vocals of that song have bass in them, it's an effect the dj tought was kinda cool... duh, listen the song
KlevenRobert 2 years ago
duh. go get a bigger house you fuck.
MixMaster21 2 years ago
??? what has that to do with it :P btw, it's my garage ^^ if you tought that was my house, how small is yours? xD
KlevenRobert 2 years ago
look at you with your highly elaborate hair and the best idea of an emoticon i've seen in a while.
go get a bigger garage. you can barely fit 4 PA's into there.
MixMaster21 2 years ago
Discussion closed due to no valid arguments ;)
KlevenRobert 2 years ago
They're all valid arguments. I love it when people can't admit the truth that they got their house from the bottom of a cereal packet.
Go burn your shitty speakers you fuck.
MixMaster21 2 years ago
I'm having an awefull day, so here's what you want:
1. Why do i need to get a bigger house? You can't see my house in any of my video's
2. My hair is already shortened and isn't of any concern to this discussion.
3. You can only see the front 1/3th of the garage + it has an atic, so again, you fail
4. I can already fit about 8 of these pa sets in the section you can see @ the vid, another fail
5. You can't get a house from a cereal packet.... Duh xD Epic fail
KlevenRobert 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
You think I give a shit about how your day has been?
1. Fail
2. fAiL
3. FaiL
4. fail.
5. FAIL.
Go broaden your vocabulary you fag.
And get some decent speakers.
And a house that isn't from the bottom of a cereal box.
MixMaster21 2 years ago
So I see we have an 11 year old e-thug in here
howdystrangr 2 years ago 4
Shut up, the end of your comment there just proves how childish you are, the guy just explained the whole cereal packet hting was shit and you decided to say it again because you thought everyone thought it was hilarious, youre on your own asshole, everything here thinks youre a dick.
Pezzy54321 2 years ago
You're just mad because he found your house on the street and thought - 'hmm.... that would make the perfect amp rack'
TimpBizkit 2 years ago
Yeah you are right :P You knw him?:P
KlevenRobert 2 years ago
oh shit lol dank
amerthil 2 years ago
shit. you are crank
fockdu 2 years ago
w-bin's gaan bijna altijd harder van normale bassreflexen maar als er op een w-bin staat 500W MAX dan kun je er echt wel 700W in drukken maar de vraag was ook kommen ze verder met de bass dan normale speakers ja ze kommen wel veel verder dan normale 18 inch subs
MVG Daniel Jansen
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vanalles123 2 years ago
klopt ;) normale bassreflex kasten slaan vrij ver uit (tegen Xmax aan, maximale uitslag van de woofer) als ze maximaal aangeraden vermogen krijgen. Maar een w-bin koppelt de speaker beter met de lucht waardoor deze ook minder ver uitslaat, klinkt raar maar hierdoor kun je de speaker verder pushen omdat de spoel niet snel onderin tegen de magneet zal slaan. Toch moet je opletten met bass lager dan ca 50 hz, gezien de koppeling van de hoorn dan ineens wegvalt.... dus alsnog Xmax
KlevenRobert 2 years ago
even wat info krijgen:
hoe veel luider is dat met een gewone bassreflex sub die ik heb (kijk maar filmjes)
en hoe ver kan de bass komen vol uit?
ben vanplan zelf 2 te maken dus vandaar.
laterz
etsiej 2 years ago
it`s an awesome video, 5/5
Tartarus3 2 years ago
kk ^^ thx for your help !! ; )
50189Freddy93 2 years ago
thx !! i will bought a big pa system to !! can you give tips ?? it must be very loud !! sry my english is not the best because im german xD
50189Freddy93 2 years ago
Finding a good pa system is pretty hard. I use my knowledge about sound and my experience in the PA world to chose my components. I usualy check out 2nd hand sale sites etc for in this case W-bin or wbin etc, when i find sommething decent, i go check it out, usualy they sell more stuff and when someone's cheap in one thing, usualy they are cheap in all the things they sell. I'm from the netherlands btw ;) so my english isn't awesome neither.
KlevenRobert 2 years ago
its a nice pa system !! ^^ it makes me lucky !!
how many have this cost !!?? ^^
what is the music from
50189Freddy93 2 years ago
It cost a lot :P and the music is from headhunterz - sacrifice. for the 5th time xD check the info.
KlevenRobert 2 years ago
nice,BUT this kind of power is no for home listen...it will damadge your ears =permanently...forewer...it is dangerous...
jigibao 2 years ago
I recently built a horn with about an 11' path length loaded with 2 x 12 inch JBL GTO 1202D car subwoofers. It pounds fairly hard but has only been tested on 30 watts per speaker. I want more power!!
TimpBizkit 2 years ago
wow you made me cry lol
pimpin17b 3 years ago
LOL your studio is falling in pieces =)
SpiralSweep 3 years ago
sack my dick!!!:D,kiss my pussy:]
laseczqa 3 years ago
Gosh what an adult sence of humor you have :D
KlevenRobert 3 years ago
You gotta love those old JBL's. They were made well! Wow what floor shakers. Bee thinking about building a pair of W bins!
Love this clip always makes me laugh and wish I was there too fell the SPL! Bet it was high!
StreetSoundsDJ 3 years ago
I haven't measured spl yet, well, with some cheap dB meter, but it maxed out at 127 though i don't trust that thing :P it's also a small garage so spl will be higher then in open air etc. But w-bins are awesome xD u'r right about that. I recomend you try and keep them as close to each other as possible (make it a mono stack if you have to) so you can get deeper bass.
KlevenRobert 3 years ago
funny :D
Tom852000123 3 years ago
THe garage is falling apart!!!!
01rrrdddrrrddd 3 years ago
Dude, W-bins are a proven crap design. Horns all the way. :D
djzrule 3 years ago
They are horns stupid... don't comment nonsense cause i can't stand that
KlevenRobert 3 years ago
Sorry, I meant folded horns all the way. Yes they are horn loaded but they aren't efficient and sound waaaay too boomy to be of any use.
djzrule 3 years ago
the reason i replyed pissed off was you calling w-bins inefficient. They are the most effecient space/dp horns currently alive (taken some special manifold loaded etc speakers as exception). Also, if you would have watched the video in detail, you could have seen these are backloaded with a ported enclosure, so they are not "boomy" they have a quite flat frequency response with a bump at 120db, can be filtered out with equaliser.
KlevenRobert 3 years ago
If you stack them with 8x these things in a 1/8th scale of the smaller one. that 120hz bump will be stretched all the way till 20hz, and they become one of the most powerfull and efficient pa-end speakerconstructions known.. (ofcourse, again with exceptions to special systems)
KlevenRobert 3 years ago
I call a 1000 watts inefficient. A folded horn can beat that out in the 150 watt range as I know one can beat an 18" direct radiator at 500 watts. Now couple them together and even boundary load them and you still can get down to 20hZ. Making them wider with different drivers suitable for the modification can also extend their response and sensitivity.
djzrule 3 years ago
Please stop spreading crap... Watts has nothing to do with efficiency. it's the db@1w@1m that declares efficiency dumbass, and still, that's not the efficiency, it's just part of a huge formula used to calculate efficiency. Another ass like you made this mistake about 20 comments before this one. Read that before replying again. i'm not even going into this discussion anymore, i'l remove any ignorant stupid comments without any propper facts from you as from now.
KlevenRobert 3 years ago
W bins are short horns, but they don't go as deep as a long horn. I've longed to try out EAW's KF 940 with its 13 foot path length
TimpBizkit 3 years ago
if you stack 8 w-bins of this type, you still have the same as a long horn. It's just a compromised design... i'm getting tired of semi-stupid comments <_<
KlevenRobert 3 years ago
with 600 watts you can blow out a bic lighter on a w bin on a folded horn it doesnt even phase a bic lighter
dogrockster2 3 years ago
Ok.. so except for your bad english, what is your point? Blowing out a lighter isn't that big of a deal, w-bins usualy displace a lot of air over a lot of surface, so they don't blow out lighters, but they DO displace a lot of air, just on a larger surface.... thus giving less port noise etc
KlevenRobert 3 years ago
ok but u dont have 2 b such a dic bout it so wat if i didnt spell it rite who gives a shit this is youtube not a god damn english class
dogrockster2 3 years ago
Because for some reason, almost all of the people commenting bad, comment in poor english and without logical arguments and no facts. That kind of annoys me <_< + you didn't make any point, speakers aren't made to blow out lighters ;-)
KlevenRobert 3 years ago
The because folded horns generally run at a lower air pressure, it has nothing to do with actual volume.
Personally I see the advantages of both W and folded horns.
My main Rig has 4 x Martin WSX which work Long throw bass and 4 x Martin Audio WMX which go lower but don't throw so far. Both completely different designs (yes I have time alligned them). On a 1,000 per channel amp I get 129db (A weighting, Type 2 SPL meter) in front of the stacks and 117db 40 meters away - outdoors.
carlgos 2 years ago
With just 2000 watts??
TimpBizkit 2 years ago
Yes with "just" 2000 watts, christ, does know one these days bother learning about the 1 watt meter sensitivety rating of drivers and what it actually means?
And then how that translates into output volume?
When I first started out, having an amp that was over 1,000 per channel was huge and no-one complained about lack of sub back then!
carlgos 2 years ago
I was just thinking about the 10x power to 'twice as loud' rule. Then thinking you can buy home stereos with 200 watts.
117dB at 40m 2000w
107dB at 40m 200w
97 dB at 40m 20w
I was thinking about how amazingly efficient your speakers can be to create as much volume as a chainsaw from 40m away using the same power that would create a chainsaw volume indoors in your bedroom on inefficient home stereo speakers.
TimpBizkit 2 years ago
The most efficient PA speakers run 15-20dB higher (about 3x as 'loud' to your ears) as the speakers that come with your stereo in the house. What is the 1 watt 1 meter sensitivity of your speakers, or maybe I overestimate the loudness of higher decibel sounds.
TimpBizkit 2 years ago
I think you may be mistaken.....or you have good HiFi speakers.
Martin Audio WSX 105db 1watt/1 meter.
600w AES / 2,400w PEAK
Continuous SPL 132db, Peak 138db
These are what I was running off my LAB2000C that delivers around 1,150w per channel, 2 subs per channel and gettingthe readings I listed.
If I had a slightly larger amplifier then I would be able to get more than this, but for the extra couple of db, I think it's a very good output already.
carlgos 2 years ago
I meant off of the same power input.
Hi fi speaker = 85-92dB 1w/1m
Most efficient PA speaker = 105-112dB
1w/1m
of course, you can feed PA speakers even more power and that will make them MUCH louder.
TimpBizkit 2 years ago
You would nearly always use an amplifier with more power than the cabinet's RMS rating to ensure you aren't clipping to get full output from the cabinets.
HiFi speakers are designed to sound good close up, so they don't have the throw you get from horn loaded PA cabs.
A horn loaded box is very good at "throwing" sound a great distance, hence the high SPL over distance.
BTW - I'm trying to stay in simple terms so anyone reading gets the idea.
carlgos 2 years ago
awsome:Dnice music too:)
ur neighbours must hate u or what?:P
ITsHardstyle 3 years ago
hey man you remember me in 1997 with a big sound equipment in my small flat yeah i had four JBL K2S9800 loudspeaker and two Mcintosh 275 stereo vacuum tube power amp, man in the midnight i used the full power to listen the faith no more the neighbors calls the police heheh the rest you know..
guimbadriver 3 years ago
It's not comparable with this. K2S range is incredibly high quality sound reproduction. Where as my set is just meant for going realy loud. Your speakers would be like a fine Jaguar E-Type where as my speakers are more like a V8 truck :P Awesome combination with the MC amp btw, must've sounded awesome. (i'm not only into pa but i'm also a selfproclaimed audiophile ^^ so i like those kinds of setups.)
KlevenRobert 3 years ago
Those W bins look very much like my old EV bins-mine are kitted out with PD 156's and the bass from them is superb...
munwuglus 3 years ago
There's a huge difference between a Precision Devices 156 and a JBL 2240-h driver. If you have a 15" in a bin this size, you propably have fitted the wrong driver. Especialy the 156 cause it's meant for small vented enclosures. Though they also perform well on small horns around 60hz. I think i've got plans laying around for a simulair driver, i could send them if you wish. Don't load them lower then 50hz though... They have a relatively high resonance frequency of 40hz, it could kill them.
KlevenRobert 3 years ago
Guessing he means the EV Eliminator 1A cabinets (original ones not the crap released about 6 years back). These work great with JBL 2226's and are one of my favorite compact bins.
carlgos 2 years ago
Yea Headhunterz - Sacrifice , macht bestimmt SEHR VIEL SPASS mit den W-Bins :D
MetrakitProRaceII 3 years ago 2
looool
DJdrobek 3 years ago
want get some dubstep on that.. booom!!!!!
AFROJab 3 years ago
I second that!
UltimoImperio 3 years ago
i love this klevenrobert! huge fan of pa systems.. are those JBL speakers?
Panielpaniel 3 years ago
Yes they are :) I'm getting 6 extra bass cabinets and 2 extra top cabinets soon :P so from there on it'l be serious shizl xD
KlevenRobert 3 years ago
LOL almost head shoot :D
First2ner 3 years ago
bestial, even I have an amplifier similar but I have one
SHAMAL46 3 years ago
man lekker:D
ben jaloers want ik wat ik heb is niks vergeleken met dit:p maar ik ga misschien men eigen maken zo'n horn loaded speaker.
hoop maar niet dat dat je slaapkamer is:p
etsiej 3 years ago
:) Afrikaans!
ChebbsMastaFlex 3 years ago
Chille shit heb je daar staan! :P
Ben zelf van plan een stepped- / tapped-horn te bouwen maar goede drivers zijn zo fucking duur.
Stekkkkkk 3 years ago
what the name of the song?
llyr131 3 years ago
Wow Sono senza parole che forte 2000watt R.M.S.!!!! ^_^" by zip
yunto4 3 years ago
that is a nice set up i was wondering what make are the amps and speaker ect and also how much did it all cost to build up your setup what mixer do u have as well
a2dds 3 years ago
omg lol.. what speaker sub. ??? 18´´ , 15´´ ? what kappa 15DF ??
DJdrobek 3 years ago
Lol :P it's at the description. JBL 18" 2240 drivers.
KlevenRobert 3 years ago
that is a nice system you got there! and the song is awesome could you give me the name of it ...so i can pirate it 0.o
vtkrey 3 years ago
Headhunterz - The Sacrifice
KlevenRobert 3 years ago
thanks.
vtkrey 3 years ago
How much more volume have you got?
TimpBizkit 3 years ago
This is the max @ the limiter. Theoreticaly, the amplifier should be able to go about 5% higher before it starts clipping when i apply pink noise (maybe a little more with normal music). But i don't like to push it cause the amplifier is already pushing the JBL's limits, clipping it even slightly could scrap the woofers. Besides, clipping/distortion is just not cool :P Then there's another thing called efficiency. These speakers should put out about 104dB @ 1w/1m.
KlevenRobert 3 years ago
Every time the power doubles, 3dB's are added. 2w = 107dB, 4w = 110db, 8w = 113dB, 16w = 116dB, eventualy, it comes down to 1024w = 134dB. So the increase of 5% power shouldn't realy matter in sound pressure. (the reason volume goes up in a liniair way when you slide up the pot is because they use a logarithmic pot in almost every sound regulating aspect). Ofcourse the 134dB is theoretical, because i have 2 w-bins, it should dubble power, theoreticaly adding another 3db's to it. 137dB.
KlevenRobert 3 years ago
Ofcourse, 104db @ 1m/1w is at it's ideal frequency. The problem with w-bins of this size is they are 1/8's w-bins. They should be 8 times as large (8 stacked w-bins) to create a full-horn. Thus lowering the resonance frequency to below 60hz etc giving it a huge boost when stacked(more then 3dB each time it doubles).
KlevenRobert 3 years ago
got told my two bins work down to 32-35hz (not their optimum I guess) and that every time I add another bin I drop another hz or two
robmanueb2 3 years ago
well, 32/35hz is propably the cutoff frequency. You should cut off any frequency's lower than this or else you'l risk driver damage. Normaly, the larger the diameter of the driver, the lower they go. On w-bins this is also true but the average resonant frequency is higher cause of the horn effect. Usualy as i told around 50/60 hz for a 18" driver as used in here. These can have loads of abuse because of the immensely riggid driver construction. Watch out with cheaper drivers. They will damange.
KlevenRobert 3 years ago
hope to get new bass amp soon they have in built low freq cut off. The HED grunty but pretty simple. The w-bins were built in NZ from marine ply too they sound lovely. Brought them of a mate whos been in the sound game for 30 years said they was his best bass bins but too heavy to move,
robmanueb2 3 years ago
though youve got to take into account the power compression of the drivers, because of the heat given out by the voice coil, the theoretical gain after about 400w becomes a nonlinear increase that 5% extra will give no more output spl so thats the maximum volume yuoll get out of them, btw do you just have w bins? you know the low frequency cutof with such a small horn path will be about 55hz or their abouts, though if your only doing dance music thats not a problem. what drivers are you using?
jimwraith 3 years ago
if you had read my comments you would have noticed the 2240 drivers ;) they are coilcooled so there's almost no compression. Especialy in w-bins, where the driver only moves 1cm at it's max. They are 60hz minimum, but they go well below that as they are also bass reflex to give them some low/not self distruct under the resonance frequency :P
KlevenRobert 3 years ago
all drivers have power compression its an effect of thermodynamics cant have a driver that doesn't give out heat & increase its resistance, how well its designed against that is another matter, the overall design of a ported W bin is not necessarily to go below the tuning frequency of the horn, IMO it would be silly to do that as you just get a peak lower than the overall cutoff, and risk the drivers at full power as they will likely be going around x mech (ie knacked driver) depends on T design
jimwraith 3 years ago
that x max seems silly as well, a driver will move a given amount dependent on the power fed into the coil, reaching x max in a given enclosure at rms is what you aught to be aiming for in the design without going above the drivers thermal limit eg. a driver with an xmax of 5mm that can only achieve that when given 1000W of power in a given cab but only has rms power handling of 500w as a design isn't going to work to the drivers potential as spl is a function of the volume of air displaced
jimwraith 3 years ago
It seems you don't quite understand the way w-bins work. It's an air impendance converter. Basicaly, it couples more m2 of air to the conus. Therefore it doesn't need to make a large movement to generate a large SPL. Ofcourse power compression is imminent. But it's reduced to a insignificant number due to the coil cooling the JBL Driver features. The ports are to load the driver below it's tuned frequency so it still has some bass response. Normal horns would damage when loaded below tuning freq
KlevenRobert 3 years ago
Got two w-bins, with 18inch beymas in them, run by a rebuilt HED110 CerwinVega amp putting out 1.7 kw in mono, through old yamaha 12/4 mixer. got two DAS twin 15s (locally made from 20mm marine ply) for top end run by very old Samick SMP600 (600 watt a channel (needs more!)) through phonic crossover set at 180hz. so f**kn loud it scares me. I get mate to run as I always chicken out when turning it up
robmanueb2 3 years ago
I like watching the bits of wood fall from the ceiling!
What's the sound quality like in real life, cause it sounds crummy on this video.
TimpBizkit 3 years ago