An animal can mean as much to someone as a child, particularly if he or she doesn't have children. You can't judge what an incident like this can do to someone. It depends upon the person. But laws do not regard animals the same way as people. The actual damage the incident did to someone is not considered, but that is really what the suit is about, isn't it? So, in effect, the courts are saying "You shouldn't love your animal that much. Its loss is not important."
Ana, you do not understand the law and how quickly it is evolving. If she had told the DA that Shadow was worth a thousand dollars this would have been a felony
The civil case is different. Had they had an umbrella policy on their Homeowners plan they could argue the dog protected their home and belongings and that replacing him with a security system worth thirty grand was the only alternative. The policy might pay her attorney's fees and subrogate against the neighbor if she won.
This guy needs shooting himself, about that there can be no doubt. However, dogs cannot be compared to children, in any way, I've adored dogs, I now have children. It's like comparing a teddy bear to a dog. Apples and Oranges. It's still not right to kill them.
there is no sens in comparations betwen animals and humans, HUMANS ARE ANIMALS, they are vertebrated mamals. and uf humans say that they are more important than the rest, well hey, if the flowers could speak, who they would point as the more important species en earth? Have a guess...
@ThirdRAILKink And what is it exactly that makes your life worth anything? Are you solving murders by night and curing cancer by day? Why does the world or the universe need you or anyone else? You think you're actually doing something more than the "animals"? What is any human civilization doing that animals aren't? People have kids, go to war, consume, have more kids, more war then die. The few smart people's scientific discoveries only get used to enforce the insanity of the majority.
@tgz1000 but we have to put up with dangerous humans? why? murderers and rapists get out all the time, and as adults they have their mind made up where as an animal can be rehabilitated to be gentle. You've never seen the documentary on michael vicks dogs being turned into pets have you?
No, we don't have to put up with dangerous humans either, realy. People can defend themselves against dangerous animals or humans. You, for instance, are a dangerous human because you think it's ok to kill other humans whom you deem beneath you, judging by your comments.
My dogs are like my children since I cant have any. They show me love I show them love. just because they cant talk doesnt make them any less than us!
I love my dog more than any human on this planet, so I say he should have been in jail for years. I never let my dog go out without a lease because I don't want some crazy person to do something to her and I wouldn't be able to take it if she got lost.
Yes, and they have to think of it from the perspective of those people. If you don't have a child and all you have is a dog, you tend to put more love into them. Even if you do have a child, it still hurts.
I'm for the species. If you love a dog more than anyone on this planet, then you need to start experiencing life fall in love and have a relationship because you must be WASTING your life to say that opening line.
I am not even saying this as a flame or to mock you, I mean seriously. There is nothing like human love, if you want to be empirical about it just count the sonnets...
@CmdrTobs That's your opinion. Thanks for giving it. Of course you really don't know about me or my life, so you really don't know what I know or have experienced, and you don't know even if what you have in your own life is real, so please leave me and my dog be. Thanks!
@CmdrTobs The more i get out into the world the more I love 'my' dog. i even have a documentary that says when you love on a dog by petting it or giving it kisses it releases a chemical in the brain (in both dogs and humans) thats the same as a baby nurturing on its mothers breast. thats the purest form of love right there.
I definitely don't think that a dog could ever be equal to a human, but I definitely think the guy who shot the dog deserves a harsh punishment. A dog really can mean a lot to the owner, and I understand the grief and pain this caused. And shooting a dog like that is just so cruel and sick, even if he didn't mean to kill it. What a piece of shit.
This is why people abuse and kill animals, because there is no threat of punishment. I'm less concerned for the owner than for the animal. I'm sure the gal is distraught over her dog, but then it's all about the human again, not the innocent animal. I think the man should rot in prison for a long time, then maybe he'll think twice about hurting an animal again.
@CmdrTobs he fucked up. he deserves five years and a 100,000 dollar fine. Your saying that that animals life or any animals life is exempt from fair treatment and that those who hurt animals (or take away their existence) should not have to pay a penalty or have repercussions. I'm glad you're not God.
Nah, bankrupting and imprisoning someone is too much.
Prisons are full, is that person a danger to society? No. Will prison cause them not to do that again? Unlikely they would do it again as its not the most compelling thing. He might need some counselling.
If he has dependants you are also ruining their lives too and the overall cost to the state will be millions.
"God" what? Gods not real. Further more you sound like a sociopath so its unlikely I can understand your prospective.
@CmdrTobs God is existence itself. I doubt that what caused existence to be is on the same level of cognition as a fucking rock. Furthermore, no I'm not a sociopath. I see things how they are. that animal could see, and could exist and perceive on the same level as you, he just couldn't make as many logical connections as you if anything. Some dogs are logical though. I doubt you've seen the BBC documentary called "The Secret Life Of Dogs" have you? Type it in. You need to think.
Sorry, but your argument doesn't hold. People kill and abuse each other too even though there are VERY harsh punishments for that. Basically all studies show that having tougher sentences does not keep people from comitting crimes.
But I do agree there should be severe consequences to killing animals like that.
Harsh punishments? In some societies, but not in America. The average murderer will be out in less than 10 years, even though the recidivism rate is quite high. Animals and children cannot defend themselves, it's our job to send a message to these monsters there will be repercussions (Michael Vick).
@CmdrTobs You're an idiotic humanitarian. I'm sorry but if it weren't for wars the human species would be even more over populated than it already is. Sadly they're the only way of controlling the population other than abortion because some people (octo-mom) can't decide when enough is enough. Fuck humanity.
I completely agree that a dog's companionship is just as important as a child's. However, it is wrong to "measure" love in this way. Love is love, no matter what kind of being. Also, I believe that the murder of an animal should have the same punishment as the murder of a human.
Animals aren't sentient. animals have no conciousness of love. It's wrong to abuse them, but they shouldn't have the same rights as humans, that's insane. And it's a slippery slope with the whole "animal murder" thing. If a dog is killed it's murdered, but if it's a chicken it's just fast food? What about in countries that eat dog and cat?
What about animal testing? All the animal lives lost over time to save human lives? Is that wrong?
hey man... might want to calm down there... I tend to go slightly easier on the young and [of course, the implication is], dumb... well... I tend to give people "the benefit of the doubt" in general... don't want to commit the fundamental attribution error...
the dog dosnt come nowhere near to a child , but if someone killed my dog id expect them to pay all the vet bills, every can of dog food i brought basicly the time and money i spent which has become wasted which i think is only fair either that or to sit on the table with me and cut his little finger off with a bread knife
@supertypal I'd have to disagaree with you on an animal not being like a child. I'd probably actually kill someone if they killed the beagle I look after. I could say "My" beagle, but that would account animals as property, which we all know for a fact that they're not.
What this guy did should be a felony, not a misdemeanor. He should get Vicks old cell. And there should be no cap on compensation in cases like this, let a jury decide. That would be real justice.
If somebody shot my dog I would enter their house, subdue them, tourniquet their arms and their legs, saw off all the limbs just below the tourniquets, then encourage another dog(maybe their own) to feast on the stubs.
Maybe I'm fuckin' weird, but I value animals over humans. Animals don't spam my virtual and real mailboxes. They don't call me with shady "offers". They don't try to steal from me, lie, cheat, scam, attack me without provocation, talk shit for no reason, boast, etc. Animals don't do this. Humans do. Therefore humans are worth less than animals.
well, i slightly agree with you. Animals have not done those things to anybody... but they animals also havent given you cars, houses, modern medicine, technology ect. so Humans are DEF worse than animals.
While I see where you're coming from, I disagree. I am a huge animal lover, a student of zoology, and an environmental enthusiast. While humans are certainly not flawless (far from it), animals share the same sort of flaws. Just at a more unrefined level. The very basis of nature is survival of the fittest. Nature is cruel and unforgiving.
i think ppl who kill animals should get longer jail time then killing a human. ppl can have a reason to want to kill a human how could an animal be responcible of peoples hate and anger when they cant to anything of such but piss on the carpet and crap on your bed.
If my cat was shot I'd feel that way. I wouldn't say it's the same as a child, but I would be emotionally distressed. A cat I didn't love even near as much as my current cat (though I did love her bunches, she was only alive about half a year so I didn't get to know her very well) had me crying myself to sleep for about a month. Nowhere near a child though.
The guy was stupid as hell to shoot the dog. My dad would see the neighbor's dog on his lawn and all he did was scare it away, or just put fertilizer on the lawn so the dog wouldn't go near the lawn. Thing is, the family should have made sure the dog doesn't go on someone's lawn.
bullshit. It is just a dog. an animal. they don't think straight. they are just bums that live in your house and eat your food. they are worse then a bum, because they can't talk, and shit on the floor, and smell bad. I think they should give him community service or something and make him pay like $500 or something.
Unlawful discharge of a firearm. Unless it was attacking him. I'm not even allowed to shoot at fucking gophers. Legally, a dog is property. So damaging or destroying that property should result in a lawsuit. Don't know about the emotional distress though.
He loves dogs more than he loves this country. Anything left deserves to be executed. I even amputated my own left hand and foot to make myself closer to GOD who made us all RIGHT handed. Liberals don't even know what you're in for!!!!
You americans are crazy....ban guns for f's sake!!! That's what's at issue here. What won't you shoot at in the name of public property??? Thou shalt not shoot people/animals/stuff lest it cross my property....so say'th the ...well...who/whatever.
Banning guns won't do anything but create a black market for it that criminals can thrive in.
In some areas where guns are carried openly and knowingly it's actually shown to reduce crime.
The problem really comes down to a simple lack of education and degredation and neglect of our lower class. Europe is much farther ahead then the U.S. in this.
I completely agree. It seems that a lot of the people who are all about guns and so called "freedom" (at least in the way they like to think of it) are usually impulsive brutes who have no sense of self-control or respect for life. Sure guns don't kill people (neither do bombs if you want to use that logic), but as long as they're available, people will use them to kill.
Keep your stuff off other peoples fucking land. If you care about your pets, then you'll actually keep track of them. On the other hand the guy that killed the dog could've used more discretion. ( I own and use firearms)
...more discretion? How bout not shooting the damn dog. At all. Even in the ass. UNLESS it was attacking him, which doesn't seem to be the damn case.
I'm all for guns. I have a damn revolver in my drawer. But there are certain people who shouldn't be allowed to have them. That guy was one of them. You may be one of them, if you'd even consider shooting at a dog that wasn't attacking you, and was merely on your property.
Psych tests should be required before being allowed to own a gun.
I can say if the pet was registered as a "companion animal" then maybe they can get pain and suffering but pets are property... therefore the cost in medical bills and such and possibly the cost to replace the animal at a depreciated value they can win. Good Luck!
On the flip side,say her 2 YO child wondered into the neighbors yard.I'm sure CPS would take the kid from her for not watching it properly.
YES,the guy who shot the dog is a total dick (unless the dog was a threat,which i don't think it was).I do not think any legal action is justified against him as he shot it on his property and keeping it off his property is her responsibility.And YES i do feel dirty defending this dog shooting dick head.
How much respect? That's where this debate comes up. They already have respect. And if they deserve more then they have to hold to more responsibilities as well.
If you want to treat it like a child and sue for emotional damages, then the man gets to call the cops for trespassing and all the shit on the lawn.
It isn't just a piece of property, yes, but for every right it gets there's a corresponding responsibility.
No you're really wrong. I'm not sure what you mean by responsibility, maybe you mean giving a dolphin a set of house keys or letting the cat mind the kids.
Animals are advanced in different way, expecting them to partake in human society like we do is stark raving mad.
Animals don't receive respect. Most humans don't receive respect. Look at the world around you and find where the respect is.
Uh no I meant responsibility in the sense that they are responsible for their own well being if we're going to treat them like people. If we're going to treat them more like people than they have to hold to more responsibilities.
Dogs cannot go to jail. They are not subject to the law so they are not protected by the law.
There are certain things that we hold the owners responsible for, and because of this they do receive certain protections of the law.
Every state in the United States and the District of Columbia has a law prohibiting cruelty to animals. The purpose of those laws is to deter violence by humans in any form as well as to protect animals from mistreatment and cruelty by imposing a penalty for those acts. Most of these laws fall under the purpose of morality, meaning the purpose is not to protect the animals, but to keep people on the straight and narrow.
Many states are recognizing that animal cruelty, neglect and abuse are serious issues. There are now 41 states plus the District of Columbia with felony provisions for animal cruelty (32 plus DC with Felony specifically stated in the statute, 8 with felony punishments attached)
I have no problem with that and I support fighting animal cruelty.
The man should be punished for animal cruelty, but should he have to pay for emotional damages? I think so, but only to a certain extent and NOWHERE NEAR the same compensation the family would receive from a child's death.
A pets love is substantial but incomparable to a child's love.
It's a disrespect to families of lost children to even make that comparison.
wtf is wrong with you you're just picking a fight where there is none.
I never said any such thing, Ive only tried to convey that the level of protection by the law something receives is a direct relation to the level of responsibility to uphold the law...
The fact that you're telling me to listen carefully and asking if I've "got it?" makes this quite humorous to me, but it is a misunderstanding and nothing more, so lets move on.
I asked your opinion and you gave me facts... Hence, my "and?"
wft is wrong with you? You must have a short term memory if you forget about asking me my view on "Zero Tolerance on Animal Abuse in the extent of the LAW" last night.
I believe Animal Rights should be protected by the laws. Plain and Simple!
I asked you what you meant by zero tolerance. As in, what in your opinion should we do about animal cruelty. Then you listed various laws about animal cruelty. That's informative and interesting but not what I asked for, which is why I said "And?".
What do you mean by animal rights should be protected by the law? To what extent?
All I'm saying is that the closer to human that the law views them as, the more they have to obey the law (or their owners have to ensure they obey the law)
I'm assuming you'd place the punishment above damage of property, and below violence towards a child.
This is what I'm getting at here. If the line is drawn close to violence towards a child, then I think it is being disrespectful towards the children and their families. If the line is drawn close to destruction of property, then I think it is disrespectful towards the animals and their families.
Why are you so hostile? I'm not attacking you or anything you've said, I'm just asking to what extent do you think we should punish animal cruelty.
I didn't mean should we enforce the laws, I'm asking you what you think the laws should be because you said earlier you have zero tolerance for animal abusers and zero tolerance is a very vague blanket statement.
But I don't even care anymore I was hoping for an intelligent opinion because I'd like to hear something new, but nooo you just attack me
Yes, but you always need to take into account the context here. While eating meat and killing a dog end in the result of a dead animal, one was raised to be slaughtered and the other was admired as a family member...
u seriously need 2 get some help if u think its hypocritical for non-vegetarians 2 think its wrong..bullying pets is not the same as simply being at the top of the food chain.
we eat dead animals, u eat dead plants.they are BOTH STILL LIFE.
we r eating the methane making life. ur eating the oxygen making life.
ur generations of family NEEDED it to survive, just like u would if stuck in the wilderness
meat eaters made it possible for u to have the choice not to eat meat.
Find a middle ground. Not everyone loves dogs as much as dog-lovers.
Obviously they're of much higher value than property, but I wouldn't put them on the same level as humans.
At least when it regards how one is able to show it's affections, since humans are able to show how much we love someone in a plethora of different ways, whereas animals have it quite restricted for them and since theyaren't as complicated as we are.
lets just say this: instead of a dog their kid came over, and instead of telling it to go away he shoots at it
why does this happen? why do animals not get the same protection humans do? i mean he killed it for NO REASON AT ALL and he just gets fined and has community service? thats a joke and its a shame that people arent treat it that way
lets be honest, they just want money. they could have had a kid of their own to love, and if they cant have kids they could certainly have adopted one instead of "loving" a dog like it was a person.
Well no...you're not the most reasonable guy in America for this issue.
Not only should there be a penalty, there should also be criminal charges. God forbid it was a kid who got shot, would the man get criminal charges?
We get on a slippery slope here. In other words, people can take it over the top and sue for ripping a shirt. But if there was reason to believe that the couple loved the dog like a child, then why wouldn't they get compensation? What makes a child different from a dog?
A dog doesn't know better, so we punish the guardian. But the dog doesn't get to vote among other things.
A mentally ill person doesn't know better, so we punish the guardian. But the patient doesn't get to vote among other things.
But a mentally ill person DOES know a lot more laws and social norms than a dog does, hence why a mentally ill person gets more rights and responsibilities, and it is a bigger offense to shoot them than a dog.
Typical, reductionist, idiot-america response. I pray for a holocaust to consume your kind, education is wasted on your intellectually baron mindspace.
I am going to have to disagree with the TYT & Cenk on this. Humans are not more or no less important then any other animal/insect/micro-organisim on this planet. In fact this world would operate and thrive without humans on it. Now should we apply the same laws to animals that we do humans - I don't know. But to suggest humans are above all animals - Wrong 100%, because we are just another species on this planet.
That's a great way to look at it that I don't normally look at it from. Does this mean that other animals should see us as a nuisance and do away with us as they please since unlike the rest of the inhabitants we trash the planet. Wouldn't that be the same as being pest and by that validate them to use lethal methods of pest control? from that perspective you can look at us as the lessor species. At least it helps see that were equal. We are so arrogant. lol.
to be frank, if other species had the capabilities to do that then i wouldn't be surprised if they did do it based on how we treat them. But i don't humans or animals being of lessor or greater importance.
Eugene I agree. A pig for instance is widely known to be as intelligent and as affectionate as a dog. Supposedly very similar personalities as dogs. Yet they are the most common dish for Christmas dinner next week and endure unthinkable abuses for the duration of their short lives before slaughter. Adopting harsher penalties for animal abuse such as above can be seen as both a victory and as a a way to reinforce Speciesism
That's never going to change though, realistically. The best we can do is get people to at least protect the "cute" animals. The "ugly" or inconvenient ones are going to suffer, always.
I know I feel you but I like to believe that like so many things throughout history that we thought would never change that did change that someday and I know for certain that it won't be in my time or even my great grand children's time but hopefully someday in the future the ugly ones or not so cute ones will be treated with equal respect. Time will tell.
As pathetic as I think PETA is that isn't what I was saying. Your comment (that I can't find now...Damn Youtube) just seemed like it was pasted off of a contract. You can become vegetarian and Not support meat eaters. You know it's as easy as saying if you believe animal slaughter is wrong then don't eat meat. I meant no ill will I just thought it was chain mail. Well...I think you know that now...
I bet that dog was pooping all over that guy's yard though. I hate it when that happens..
Releasing your dog disregarding that its going to crap on other people's property is being inconsiderate but then again.. shooting it is going way too far lol
Maybe shoot the owners in the ass with a bb gun for being not looking after their pet. The dog would still be alive. Hopefully a lesson learned without such a tragic outcome.
In case you haven't seen one, a bb gun is not likely to break the skin, it's possible, but not likely. That is why I don't think he wanted to kill the dog. A bb sends a clearer message, but if he had known the dog was going to die I bet he would have used a hose like you suggest.
Are you kidding me? Why would someone ever do that? Besides that doesn't matter you could test the shit and find out. Or just look at it...
My point is a dog is not a person so it isn't nearly as big a deal to shoot a dog with a pellet gun than it is to shoot a person with a pellet gun. Dogs don't have the same responsibilities to uphold the law as humans do, so they aren't subject to the law as humans are.
Not if it is 90 years old like my grandmother. She cries when I do it... but she doesn't even have the strength to dial the last 1 on the phone when i press 9-1 for her!!!!
For the record I think the family is entitled for some emotional compensation but the argument should not be because a dog's love is the same as a human's because victims of child murder are shoved aside for something that is far beyond tragic.
I don't think you should ever be able to sue for anything more than 10,000 dollars and that would be a family pet since birth brutally murdered
There's already an ass kicking up in the air. The dog is shitting on the guy's lawn.
My point is that one shot from a bb gun = ass kicking, much less than "blowing up that guy's ass", like you said. The equivalent of an ass kicking was given to the dog, but things went bad. Like ass kicking, people are unlikely to get seriously hurt, but it's possible. Maybe he should have shot the owner. The dog would still be alive, the ass kicking would have been paid. Lesson learned: Look after your dog.
Firstly, Where in this video ever mentioned that the dog was shitting on the guy's lawn? Please don't make up stuff to make excuses for the dog shooter.
Secondly, Even if the dog was shitting on his lawn, the guy should have talked to the owner instead of hurting the dog. Blame the owners, not the dogs.
Thirdly, I partially agree with you. Being a responsible pet owner is the best way to protect your pets.
Serial killers begins by been cruel to animals first then go on to humans the guy should have got at least 7 years with out parole.
Saura74 7 months ago
@sammamoth- yea beacause dogs are sooo below you. piss off
Amb3lica 1 year ago
So I guess if it came down to either the life of your child or the life of your dog, you wouldn't be able to choose, right?
I love animals, but I wouldn't ever put them at the same worth of a human child.
Sammamoth 1 year ago
@Sammamoth With some of the human kids I know.... I'm saving Fido.
TriaMaxwell 1 year ago 2
An animal can mean as much to someone as a child, particularly if he or she doesn't have children. You can't judge what an incident like this can do to someone. It depends upon the person. But laws do not regard animals the same way as people. The actual damage the incident did to someone is not considered, but that is really what the suit is about, isn't it? So, in effect, the courts are saying "You shouldn't love your animal that much. Its loss is not important."
mb7668 1 year ago
Ana, you do not understand the law and how quickly it is evolving. If she had told the DA that Shadow was worth a thousand dollars this would have been a felony
The civil case is different. Had they had an umbrella policy on their Homeowners plan they could argue the dog protected their home and belongings and that replacing him with a security system worth thirty grand was the only alternative. The policy might pay her attorney's fees and subrogate against the neighbor if she won.
martian95524 1 year ago
This guy needs shooting himself, about that there can be no doubt. However, dogs cannot be compared to children, in any way, I've adored dogs, I now have children. It's like comparing a teddy bear to a dog. Apples and Oranges. It's still not right to kill them.
NikonNutter200 1 year ago
there is no sens in comparations betwen animals and humans, HUMANS ARE ANIMALS, they are vertebrated mamals. and uf humans say that they are more important than the rest, well hey, if the flowers could speak, who they would point as the more important species en earth? Have a guess...
poja82 1 year ago
@poja82
Humans are the ONLY sentient animals, the only ones with a conciousness, a knowledge of life and death and love. Sentience=Worth.
ThirdRAILKink 1 year ago
@ThirdRAILKink And what is it exactly that makes your life worth anything? Are you solving murders by night and curing cancer by day? Why does the world or the universe need you or anyone else? You think you're actually doing something more than the "animals"? What is any human civilization doing that animals aren't? People have kids, go to war, consume, have more kids, more war then die. The few smart people's scientific discoveries only get used to enforce the insanity of the majority.
ryinski2 1 year ago
@ThirdRAILKink true but animals can be loved and if a sentient being decides to give aniamsl rights than let it be.
officialinfoglobal 3 months ago
People don't have to put up with dangerous animals
tgz1000 1 year ago
@tgz1000 but we have to put up with dangerous humans? why? murderers and rapists get out all the time, and as adults they have their mind made up where as an animal can be rehabilitated to be gentle. You've never seen the documentary on michael vicks dogs being turned into pets have you?
tohidefromourways 1 year ago
No, we don't have to put up with dangerous humans either, realy. People can defend themselves against dangerous animals or humans. You, for instance, are a dangerous human because you think it's ok to kill other humans whom you deem beneath you, judging by your comments.
tgz1000 1 year ago
@tgz1000 I think he meant just if someone attacked 'his' animal, man. theres nothing wrong with that.
FreethinkingJim 1 year ago
Sorry Ana and Cenk, this guy needs at least 3 years in jail
SupermarketsRevil 2 years ago
i agree
archiebunkerville 2 years ago
this is why the average person should NOT have a gun
archiebunkerville 2 years ago 2
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SkunkyNugz420 2 years ago
My dogs are like my children since I cant have any. They show me love I show them love. just because they cant talk doesnt make them any less than us!
Wickedpru 2 years ago
I love my dog more than any human on this planet, so I say he should have been in jail for years. I never let my dog go out without a lease because I don't want some crazy person to do something to her and I wouldn't be able to take it if she got lost.
Thebeautiful11 2 years ago 2
Agreed, dog's are loyal and without many of the faults and selfishness of humans.
SupermarketsRevil 2 years ago
Yes, and they have to think of it from the perspective of those people. If you don't have a child and all you have is a dog, you tend to put more love into them. Even if you do have a child, it still hurts.
HowToGetFreebies 2 years ago 9
I'm for the species. If you love a dog more than anyone on this planet, then you need to start experiencing life fall in love and have a relationship because you must be WASTING your life to say that opening line.
I am not even saying this as a flame or to mock you, I mean seriously. There is nothing like human love, if you want to be empirical about it just count the sonnets...
CmdrTobs 2 years ago
@CmdrTobs That's your opinion. Thanks for giving it. Of course you really don't know about me or my life, so you really don't know what I know or have experienced, and you don't know even if what you have in your own life is real, so please leave me and my dog be. Thanks!
Thebeautiful11 2 years ago
@CmdrTobs The more i get out into the world the more I love 'my' dog. i even have a documentary that says when you love on a dog by petting it or giving it kisses it releases a chemical in the brain (in both dogs and humans) thats the same as a baby nurturing on its mothers breast. thats the purest form of love right there.
FreethinkingJim 1 year ago
oh dear.
CmdrTobs 1 year ago
I definitely don't think that a dog could ever be equal to a human, but I definitely think the guy who shot the dog deserves a harsh punishment. A dog really can mean a lot to the owner, and I understand the grief and pain this caused. And shooting a dog like that is just so cruel and sick, even if he didn't mean to kill it. What a piece of shit.
SupaAmi 2 years ago
This is why people abuse and kill animals, because there is no threat of punishment. I'm less concerned for the owner than for the animal. I'm sure the gal is distraught over her dog, but then it's all about the human again, not the innocent animal. I think the man should rot in prison for a long time, then maybe he'll think twice about hurting an animal again.
mofofosho13 2 years ago 3
I don't think we should put a man inside that could have kids and a wife that will now suffer not to mention all the money spent educating him etc....
No way should he go to prison.
CmdrTobs 2 years ago
@CmdrTobs he fucked up. he deserves five years and a 100,000 dollar fine. Your saying that that animals life or any animals life is exempt from fair treatment and that those who hurt animals (or take away their existence) should not have to pay a penalty or have repercussions. I'm glad you're not God.
FreethinkingJim 1 year ago
Nah, bankrupting and imprisoning someone is too much.
Prisons are full, is that person a danger to society? No. Will prison cause them not to do that again? Unlikely they would do it again as its not the most compelling thing. He might need some counselling.
If he has dependants you are also ruining their lives too and the overall cost to the state will be millions.
"God" what? Gods not real. Further more you sound like a sociopath so its unlikely I can understand your prospective.
CmdrTobs 1 year ago
@CmdrTobs God is existence itself. I doubt that what caused existence to be is on the same level of cognition as a fucking rock. Furthermore, no I'm not a sociopath. I see things how they are. that animal could see, and could exist and perceive on the same level as you, he just couldn't make as many logical connections as you if anything. Some dogs are logical though. I doubt you've seen the BBC documentary called "The Secret Life Of Dogs" have you? Type it in. You need to think.
FreethinkingJim 1 year ago
Sorry, but your argument doesn't hold. People kill and abuse each other too even though there are VERY harsh punishments for that. Basically all studies show that having tougher sentences does not keep people from comitting crimes.
But I do agree there should be severe consequences to killing animals like that.
SupaAmi 2 years ago 8
Harsh punishments? In some societies, but not in America. The average murderer will be out in less than 10 years, even though the recidivism rate is quite high. Animals and children cannot defend themselves, it's our job to send a message to these monsters there will be repercussions (Michael Vick).
mofofosho13 2 years ago 3
An Iraqi child really means a lot to there mother. Yet we've killed a few thousand.
I tell you what, I will be up for a "Harsh punishment" when a significant portion of people storm Washington to stop the war.
CmdrTobs 2 years ago
@CmdrTobs You're an idiotic humanitarian. I'm sorry but if it weren't for wars the human species would be even more over populated than it already is. Sadly they're the only way of controlling the population other than abortion because some people (octo-mom) can't decide when enough is enough. Fuck humanity.
tohidefromourways 1 year ago
I completely agree that a dog's companionship is just as important as a child's. However, it is wrong to "measure" love in this way. Love is love, no matter what kind of being. Also, I believe that the murder of an animal should have the same punishment as the murder of a human.
musicman69123 2 years ago 3
@musicman69123
Animals aren't sentient. animals have no conciousness of love. It's wrong to abuse them, but they shouldn't have the same rights as humans, that's insane. And it's a slippery slope with the whole "animal murder" thing. If a dog is killed it's murdered, but if it's a chicken it's just fast food? What about in countries that eat dog and cat?
What about animal testing? All the animal lives lost over time to save human lives? Is that wrong?
ThirdRAILKink 1 year ago
@ThirdRAILKink concisiousness is not even fully explained by scientist nor philosiphere, even michio kaku said it,
officialinfoglobal 3 months ago
@officialinfoglobal
Fisrt, you're responding to a comment I left a year ago. Second, dogs do not derserve the rights of man. Period, end of story.
ThirdRAILKink 3 months ago
Are you not merciful!
SkreetGil 2 years ago
I hate ana. she's such a cold hearted bitch who has no idea how things are because she's cute.
Ivan951 2 years ago
hey man... might want to calm down there... I tend to go slightly easier on the young and [of course, the implication is], dumb... well... I tend to give people "the benefit of the doubt" in general... don't want to commit the fundamental attribution error...
AdderallApocalypse 2 years ago
she has an audience she deserves no pity.
Ivan951 2 years ago
the dog dosnt come nowhere near to a child , but if someone killed my dog id expect them to pay all the vet bills, every can of dog food i brought basicly the time and money i spent which has become wasted which i think is only fair either that or to sit on the table with me and cut his little finger off with a bread knife
supertypal 2 years ago
@supertypal I'd have to disagaree with you on an animal not being like a child. I'd probably actually kill someone if they killed the beagle I look after. I could say "My" beagle, but that would account animals as property, which we all know for a fact that they're not.
tohidefromourways 1 year ago
What this guy did should be a felony, not a misdemeanor. He should get Vicks old cell. And there should be no cap on compensation in cases like this, let a jury decide. That would be real justice.
delusional333 2 years ago 2
If somebody shot my dog I would enter their house, subdue them, tourniquet their arms and their legs, saw off all the limbs just below the tourniquets, then encourage another dog(maybe their own) to feast on the stubs.
After that, he can do what he wants.
judoyodan 2 years ago
damn u sure love ur dog...
IFIRIEIEID 2 years ago
The asshole that shot the dog
deserves a proper beating that lands him on the Intensive Care...
EveSideR4LiFE 2 years ago
Maybe I'm fuckin' weird, but I value animals over humans. Animals don't spam my virtual and real mailboxes. They don't call me with shady "offers". They don't try to steal from me, lie, cheat, scam, attack me without provocation, talk shit for no reason, boast, etc. Animals don't do this. Humans do. Therefore humans are worth less than animals.
affordnoshoes 2 years ago 3
I agree...
EveSideR4LiFE 2 years ago
@affordnoshoes
well, i slightly agree with you. Animals have not done those things to anybody... but they animals also havent given you cars, houses, modern medicine, technology ect. so Humans are DEF worse than animals.
however i still like animals WAYYY more =)
oXGenesisXo 2 years ago
@affordnoshoes
FINALLY!!
Someone else who understands modern humanity--unaware and unwilling to be. humans on earth are like nipples on men.
sailorboy704 2 years ago
@affordnoshoes
While I see where you're coming from, I disagree. I am a huge animal lover, a student of zoology, and an environmental enthusiast. While humans are certainly not flawless (far from it), animals share the same sort of flaws. Just at a more unrefined level. The very basis of nature is survival of the fittest. Nature is cruel and unforgiving.
Forestbender1114 2 years ago
@Forestbender1114 but a lion does not set a dog on fire?]
as humans we are humane and should no better, failure to do so makes you "invalid" and punishment should be taken
officialinfoglobal 3 months ago
i think ppl who kill animals should get longer jail time then killing a human. ppl can have a reason to want to kill a human how could an animal be responcible of peoples hate and anger when they cant to anything of such but piss on the carpet and crap on your bed.
foxsneeker 2 years ago
That logic is fucking senseless.
Bigbossjin 2 years ago
It bothers me how Ana laughs when she reports on stories that involve death...
pastafarian37 2 years ago
If my cat was shot I'd feel that way. I wouldn't say it's the same as a child, but I would be emotionally distressed. A cat I didn't love even near as much as my current cat (though I did love her bunches, she was only alive about half a year so I didn't get to know her very well) had me crying myself to sleep for about a month. Nowhere near a child though.
lindafay1 2 years ago
What the hell is cenk talking about, I you kill ahuman being your going to jail your not getting off on a million dollars.
ARTAthletix 2 years ago
these people are nuts
ncfwhitetigress 2 years ago
End of story: Don't let your fucking animals go on other people's property.
ShihnaFujibayashi 2 years ago
The guy was stupid as hell to shoot the dog. My dad would see the neighbor's dog on his lawn and all he did was scare it away, or just put fertilizer on the lawn so the dog wouldn't go near the lawn. Thing is, the family should have made sure the dog doesn't go on someone's lawn.
Mika20 2 years ago 3
shoot that stupid dog
supervegano 2 years ago
bullshit. It is just a dog. an animal. they don't think straight. they are just bums that live in your house and eat your food. they are worse then a bum, because they can't talk, and shit on the floor, and smell bad. I think they should give him community service or something and make him pay like $500 or something.
rockingowl55 2 years ago
Thaaaank you
Zander73 2 years ago
I had a cat I owned for 11 years, half my life when she died.
It took me about a week of agonized mourning and then I was fine.
How long after the death did these people sue?
sophielovesmaher 2 years ago
Unlawful discharge of a firearm. Unless it was attacking him. I'm not even allowed to shoot at fucking gophers. Legally, a dog is property. So damaging or destroying that property should result in a lawsuit. Don't know about the emotional distress though.
jotunobsidianeyes 2 years ago
He loves dogs more than he loves this country. Anything left deserves to be executed. I even amputated my own left hand and foot to make myself closer to GOD who made us all RIGHT handed. Liberals don't even know what you're in for!!!!
ZmickTrick 2 years ago
you seriously amputated your left hand and foot? or is that just a metaphor?
ncfwhitetigress 2 years ago
He's a troll... Look at his other comments.
Zander73 2 years ago
I'm not a troll. On that ONE DAY I went crazy and decided to get a few people riled up, but my comments are usually a lot more sane. :P
ZmickTrick 2 years ago
You were trolling. That makes you a troll.
If you aren't normally a troll, congrats. But on that day you were a troll.
Zander73 2 years ago
I'm an orc.
affordnoshoes 2 years ago
NOOOOO!!!!! *breaks down and cries* OK OK, I admit it, I am guilty of trolling, please go easy on me...
ZmickTrick 2 years ago
Your a wertroll :D
Chooky707 2 years ago
The killer is an ass who loves killing so he should be stopped and isolated asap.. I mean today it's a dog tomorrow who knows who...
Culizar 2 years ago
You americans are crazy....ban guns for f's sake!!! That's what's at issue here. What won't you shoot at in the name of public property??? Thou shalt not shoot people/animals/stuff lest it cross my property....so say'th the ...well...who/whatever.
frankinbolton 2 years ago
Banning guns won't do anything but create a black market for it that criminals can thrive in.
In some areas where guns are carried openly and knowingly it's actually shown to reduce crime.
The problem really comes down to a simple lack of education and degredation and neglect of our lower class. Europe is much farther ahead then the U.S. in this.
refuckulate420 2 years ago
@refuckulate420
A BLACK market? Anything black is bad.
ZmickTrick 2 years ago
@ZmickTrick
Obvious troll is obvious. Pretty poor trolling.
refuckulate420 2 years ago
@frankinbolton
I completely agree. It seems that a lot of the people who are all about guns and so called "freedom" (at least in the way they like to think of it) are usually impulsive brutes who have no sense of self-control or respect for life. Sure guns don't kill people (neither do bombs if you want to use that logic), but as long as they're available, people will use them to kill.
Joyness333 2 years ago
@frankinbolton
Guns are fun... when you aim them at your parents!!! I used to have a curfew... now I'm an orphan with a full wine cellar!
GUNS R GOOD!!!
ZmickTrick 2 years ago
Keep your stuff off other peoples fucking land. If you care about your pets, then you'll actually keep track of them. On the other hand the guy that killed the dog could've used more discretion. ( I own and use firearms)
timkisling 2 years ago
...more discretion? How bout not shooting the damn dog. At all. Even in the ass. UNLESS it was attacking him, which doesn't seem to be the damn case.
I'm all for guns. I have a damn revolver in my drawer. But there are certain people who shouldn't be allowed to have them. That guy was one of them. You may be one of them, if you'd even consider shooting at a dog that wasn't attacking you, and was merely on your property.
Psych tests should be required before being allowed to own a gun.
SinisterSpade 2 years ago 3
I can say if the pet was registered as a "companion animal" then maybe they can get pain and suffering but pets are property... therefore the cost in medical bills and such and possibly the cost to replace the animal at a depreciated value they can win. Good Luck!
KemDizzleFilms 2 years ago
animals are NOT children, anyone who thinks so is a FREAK and thier mommy didn't hug them enough as a child.
Villeneuve27 2 years ago
vet bills? he shoulda had a barby. obviously this wasn't a chinese neighbor.
megagagnon1 2 years ago
The guy was apparently checking out his shooting skills. haha
livingeasi 2 years ago
On the flip side,say her 2 YO child wondered into the neighbors yard.I'm sure CPS would take the kid from her for not watching it properly.
YES,the guy who shot the dog is a total dick (unless the dog was a threat,which i don't think it was).I do not think any legal action is justified against him as he shot it on his property and keeping it off his property is her responsibility.And YES i do feel dirty defending this dog shooting dick head.
MrChunkylover53 2 years ago
Cruelty to any creature should not be tolerated!
You can't kill a dog so flagrantly as that and get away with it (I know he was "punished")
The woman clearly really loved her companion.
Animals other than humans deserve respect.
EclecticSceptic 2 years ago
How much respect? That's where this debate comes up. They already have respect. And if they deserve more then they have to hold to more responsibilities as well.
If you want to treat it like a child and sue for emotional damages, then the man gets to call the cops for trespassing and all the shit on the lawn.
It isn't just a piece of property, yes, but for every right it gets there's a corresponding responsibility.
Zander73 2 years ago
No you're really wrong. I'm not sure what you mean by responsibility, maybe you mean giving a dolphin a set of house keys or letting the cat mind the kids.
Animals are advanced in different way, expecting them to partake in human society like we do is stark raving mad.
Animals don't receive respect. Most humans don't receive respect. Look at the world around you and find where the respect is.
EclecticSceptic 2 years ago
Uh no I meant responsibility in the sense that they are responsible for their own well being if we're going to treat them like people. If we're going to treat them more like people than they have to hold to more responsibilities.
Dogs cannot go to jail. They are not subject to the law so they are not protected by the law.
There are certain things that we hold the owners responsible for, and because of this they do receive certain protections of the law.
Zander73 2 years ago
@Zander73:
Every state in the United States and the District of Columbia has a law prohibiting cruelty to animals. The purpose of those laws is to deter violence by humans in any form as well as to protect animals from mistreatment and cruelty by imposing a penalty for those acts. Most of these laws fall under the purpose of morality, meaning the purpose is not to protect the animals, but to keep people on the straight and narrow.
TheMia168 2 years ago
@Zander 73:
Many states are recognizing that animal cruelty, neglect and abuse are serious issues. There are now 41 states plus the District of Columbia with felony provisions for animal cruelty (32 plus DC with Felony specifically stated in the statute, 8 with felony punishments attached)
TheMia168 2 years ago
And?
I have no problem with that and I support fighting animal cruelty.
The man should be punished for animal cruelty, but should he have to pay for emotional damages? I think so, but only to a certain extent and NOWHERE NEAR the same compensation the family would receive from a child's death.
A pets love is substantial but incomparable to a child's love.
It's a disrespect to families of lost children to even make that comparison.
Zander73 2 years ago
@Zander73:
YOU listen carefully!
You stated in your earlier post that you didn't believe Animal's rights should be protected by the Law.
Furthermore, you asked me what did I mean by "Zero Tolerance Policy on Animal Abuse" in the extend of law, did you not?
I simply provided you with Facts and informed you that we DO have LAWS protect animals from abuse in U.S..
YOU GOT IT?
TheMia168 2 years ago
wtf is wrong with you you're just picking a fight where there is none.
I never said any such thing, Ive only tried to convey that the level of protection by the law something receives is a direct relation to the level of responsibility to uphold the law...
The fact that you're telling me to listen carefully and asking if I've "got it?" makes this quite humorous to me, but it is a misunderstanding and nothing more, so lets move on.
I asked your opinion and you gave me facts... Hence, my "and?"
Zander73 2 years ago
@Zander73:
wft is wrong with you? You must have a short term memory if you forget about asking me my view on "Zero Tolerance on Animal Abuse in the extent of the LAW" last night.
I believe Animal Rights should be protected by the laws. Plain and Simple!
TheMia168 2 years ago
@Zander73:
" A pets love is substantial but incomparable to a child's love" I agree with you 100% on that.
I believe Animal cruety also should Not be tolerated.
TheMia168 2 years ago
I asked you what you meant by zero tolerance. As in, what in your opinion should we do about animal cruelty. Then you listed various laws about animal cruelty. That's informative and interesting but not what I asked for, which is why I said "And?".
What do you mean by animal rights should be protected by the law? To what extent?
All I'm saying is that the closer to human that the law views them as, the more they have to obey the law (or their owners have to ensure they obey the law)
Zander73 2 years ago
@Zander73:
In responding to "What do you mean by animal rights should be protected by the law? To what extent?"
To the Extent that NO ONE should abuse animals, and the abuser should be PUNISHED accordingly.
We are not viewing animals as humans, that's why we call them Animal Rights, which still need to be protected by the Law.
TheMia168 2 years ago
Punished HOW? To what extent?
I'm assuming you'd place the punishment above damage of property, and below violence towards a child.
This is what I'm getting at here. If the line is drawn close to violence towards a child, then I think it is being disrespectful towards the children and their families. If the line is drawn close to destruction of property, then I think it is disrespectful towards the animals and their families.
Zander73 2 years ago
@Zander73:
"Punished HOW?" by enforcing the Animal Cuelty Laws!!!!
Are you ever going to shut up? Is it passed your bedtime yet?
TheMia168 2 years ago
Why are you so hostile? I'm not attacking you or anything you've said, I'm just asking to what extent do you think we should punish animal cruelty.
I didn't mean should we enforce the laws, I'm asking you what you think the laws should be because you said earlier you have zero tolerance for animal abusers and zero tolerance is a very vague blanket statement.
But I don't even care anymore I was hoping for an intelligent opinion because I'd like to hear something new, but nooo you just attack me
Zander73 2 years ago
@Zander73:
I did not mean to attack you. But seriously, I already told you about my thoughts on animal cuelty 100 times already.
I agree 100% on the Animal Cruelty Law and it needs to be enforced.
TheMia168 2 years ago
I know I do!
BenBeanin 2 years ago
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this is just stupid
HimeGirl15 2 years ago 2
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Yea it should a love of a dog is amazing and people should realize that,That one of the reasons why humans are fucktards
UBERJUNGLEZ 2 years ago
I think he should pay for the veternarian bill BECAUSE HE SHOT THEIR DOG!
PhillyWargamer 2 years ago 3
Agreed.
whatevtube 2 years ago
Oscarthegrump wins, eviloprah fails!
TheMia168 2 years ago 2
Comparing livestock to family pets = FAIL
Oscarthegrump you win my FAIL of the day award.
eviloprah 2 years ago
that word is so fucking stupid...
you should give yourself that award just for using that word
m333tt 2 years ago
People who aren't vegetarians shut the fuck up about how horrible it was that this dog got shot. Hypocrites eat fucking dead animals every day.
Real vegetarians, keep up the good work I guess.
oscarthegrump 2 years ago
Yes, but you always need to take into account the context here. While eating meat and killing a dog end in the result of a dead animal, one was raised to be slaughtered and the other was admired as a family member...
whatevtube 2 years ago 3
u seriously need 2 get some help if u think its hypocritical for non-vegetarians 2 think its wrong..bullying pets is not the same as simply being at the top of the food chain.
we eat dead animals, u eat dead plants.they are BOTH STILL LIFE.
we r eating the methane making life. ur eating the oxygen making life.
ur generations of family NEEDED it to survive, just like u would if stuck in the wilderness
meat eaters made it possible for u to have the choice not to eat meat.
u should be thankful
m333tt 2 years ago 3
That's a too harsh punishment. This man should sue the dog owners for the emotional distress they put him through by letting their mutt loose.
MrNiceGuy4TW 2 years ago 4
Why is it ok to let your dog on someone else's lawn?
Fighting89Back 2 years ago 6
Courts spending time on important issues, I see.
qmaqdk 2 years ago 5
Find a middle ground. Not everyone loves dogs as much as dog-lovers.
Obviously they're of much higher value than property, but I wouldn't put them on the same level as humans.
At least when it regards how one is able to show it's affections, since humans are able to show how much we love someone in a plethora of different ways, whereas animals have it quite restricted for them and since theyaren't as complicated as we are.
Saaduk92 2 years ago
no you guys are wrong very wrong
lets just say this: instead of a dog their kid came over, and instead of telling it to go away he shoots at it
why does this happen? why do animals not get the same protection humans do? i mean he killed it for NO REASON AT ALL and he just gets fined and has community service? thats a joke and its a shame that people arent treat it that way
qerrtre 2 years ago
If its a child that's loose then its irresponsible parents, which is a way worse than irresponsible pet owners.
GorgonLuvs8008135 2 years ago
I bet you eat meat. xD
oscarthegrump 2 years ago
That example is retarded if it was a kid he wouldn't have to shoot at it, he could just tell it to go away or talk to the mother.
And if it was a kid, it could be charged with trespassing...
He did not kill it for no reason at all he had a very clear reason, albeit a shitty one.
Animals don't go to jail, pay taxes, vote or work. That's why they don't get the same protection as humans. Are you slow?
Zander73 2 years ago
Children in America don't pay taxes,vote or work.
Good analogy there speedy.
MrChunkylover53 2 years ago
They do when they turn 18 and they have guardians who are accountable for all that until they do. And they're subject to the law, unlike dogs.
So my point still stands.
Zander73 2 years ago
@MrChunkylover53
But, they're HOT!
ZmickTrick 2 years ago
@zmick
ok now I'm 100% certain you're a troll
Zander73 2 years ago
CENK, you should RUN FOR PRESIDENT!
ssips720 2 years ago 2
lets be honest, they just want money. they could have had a kid of their own to love, and if they cant have kids they could certainly have adopted one instead of "loving" a dog like it was a person.
satbir129 2 years ago
To me, animals are the same as people.
afonscp 2 years ago
*Smiles* me too.
CatMommy84 2 years ago
Well no...you're not the most reasonable guy in America for this issue.
Not only should there be a penalty, there should also be criminal charges. God forbid it was a kid who got shot, would the man get criminal charges?
We get on a slippery slope here. In other words, people can take it over the top and sue for ripping a shirt. But if there was reason to believe that the couple loved the dog like a child, then why wouldn't they get compensation? What makes a child different from a dog?
unmannedtank 2 years ago
A dog doesn't go to jail when it shits on your lawn. A person does.
They aren't subject to our laws so they aren't protected by our laws. It's pretty simple.
Zander73 2 years ago
Thats a pretty stupid argument.
A dog doesn't know better not to shit on a lawn. A sane person does.
Its like you can't put a mentally ill person for shitting on your lawn. They don't know any better. Just like a dog.
But I'm sure people would get many more years for shooting a mentally ill person trespassing than a dog.
So no, its clearly not that simple.
unmannedtank 2 years ago
You're actually proving my point here...
A dog doesn't know better, so we punish the guardian. But the dog doesn't get to vote among other things.
A mentally ill person doesn't know better, so we punish the guardian. But the patient doesn't get to vote among other things.
But a mentally ill person DOES know a lot more laws and social norms than a dog does, hence why a mentally ill person gets more rights and responsibilities, and it is a bigger offense to shoot them than a dog.
Zander73 2 years ago 2
people who don't have pets wouldn't understand,
fam is fam and you do not fuck with family
gurrenazure 2 years ago
If they cared so much, why not watch your dog so he's not shitting in someone's yard?
GorgonLuvs8008135 2 years ago
Typical, reductionist, idiot-america response. I pray for a holocaust to consume your kind, education is wasted on your intellectually baron mindspace.
Clembo 2 years ago
ah, fuck it. *boom*
priceless
BloodMech21 2 years ago 2
I am going to have to disagree with the TYT & Cenk on this. Humans are not more or no less important then any other animal/insect/micro-organisim on this planet. In fact this world would operate and thrive without humans on it. Now should we apply the same laws to animals that we do humans - I don't know. But to suggest humans are above all animals - Wrong 100%, because we are just another species on this planet.
saintmarys68 2 years ago
That's a great way to look at it that I don't normally look at it from. Does this mean that other animals should see us as a nuisance and do away with us as they please since unlike the rest of the inhabitants we trash the planet. Wouldn't that be the same as being pest and by that validate them to use lethal methods of pest control? from that perspective you can look at us as the lessor species. At least it helps see that were equal. We are so arrogant. lol.
djende79 2 years ago
@djende79
to be frank, if other species had the capabilities to do that then i wouldn't be surprised if they did do it based on how we treat them. But i don't humans or animals being of lessor or greater importance.
saintmarys68 2 years ago
Oh come on! It was obviously self defence!
NOT!
Kypfie 2 years ago
Eugene I agree. A pig for instance is widely known to be as intelligent and as affectionate as a dog. Supposedly very similar personalities as dogs. Yet they are the most common dish for Christmas dinner next week and endure unthinkable abuses for the duration of their short lives before slaughter. Adopting harsher penalties for animal abuse such as above can be seen as both a victory and as a a way to reinforce Speciesism
djende79 2 years ago
That's never going to change though, realistically. The best we can do is get people to at least protect the "cute" animals. The "ugly" or inconvenient ones are going to suffer, always.
megamarsvin 2 years ago
I know I feel you but I like to believe that like so many things throughout history that we thought would never change that did change that someday and I know for certain that it won't be in my time or even my great grand children's time but hopefully someday in the future the ugly ones or not so cute ones will be treated with equal respect. Time will tell.
djende79 2 years ago
Mm true enough.. We can only keep trying ;)
megamarsvin 2 years ago
@djende79:
You can stop eating meat today if you are trully concerned about animal abuse and animal cruelty.
More and more people become vegaterians because they do NOT support animal abuse and slaughtering.
TheMia168 2 years ago
Is that a real comment or a PETA memo?
NeverAloneForever 2 years ago
Think whatever you like. Facts are Facts! I do support PETA. You got a problem with that?
TheMia168 2 years ago
Facts? You were talking about facts? WTF?
As pathetic as I think PETA is that isn't what I was saying. Your comment (that I can't find now...Damn Youtube) just seemed like it was pasted off of a contract. You can become vegetarian and Not support meat eaters. You know it's as easy as saying if you believe animal slaughter is wrong then don't eat meat. I meant no ill will I just thought it was chain mail. Well...I think you know that now...
NeverAloneForever 2 years ago
I bet that dog was pooping all over that guy's yard though. I hate it when that happens..
Releasing your dog disregarding that its going to crap on other people's property is being inconsiderate but then again.. shooting it is going way too far lol
glennxi 2 years ago
I bet the guy didn't want to kill it. He was probably thinking "a bb to the ass will let the dog know its not wanted," but it was an unlucky shot.
If only its owners were responsible, that dog would be alive to day.
GorgonLuvs8008135 2 years ago 2
Shooting the dog in the ass to teach the dog a lesson??? How about using a garden hose to keep the dog away???
Maybe we should blow up that guy's ass to teach him a lesson of killing dogs.
TheMia168 2 years ago 2
Maybe shoot the owners in the ass with a bb gun for being not looking after their pet. The dog would still be alive. Hopefully a lesson learned without such a tragic outcome.
In case you haven't seen one, a bb gun is not likely to break the skin, it's possible, but not likely. That is why I don't think he wanted to kill the dog. A bb sends a clearer message, but if he had known the dog was going to die I bet he would have used a hose like you suggest.
GorgonLuvs8008135 2 years ago
@mia
If that guy was shitting on their lawn then your point would make sense...
Zander73 2 years ago
@Zander73:
Maybe it was him who shit on the lawn and blamed on the dog... who knows?
TheMia168 2 years ago
Are you kidding me? Why would someone ever do that? Besides that doesn't matter you could test the shit and find out. Or just look at it...
My point is a dog is not a person so it isn't nearly as big a deal to shoot a dog with a pellet gun than it is to shoot a person with a pellet gun. Dogs don't have the same responsibilities to uphold the law as humans do, so they aren't subject to the law as humans are.
Zander73 2 years ago
Of course, it is wrong to shoot a defenseless animal with a pellet gun, it means you are a coward.
If you shoot a human with a pellet gun, you will sure get your ass kicked.
TheMia168 2 years ago
@TheMia168
Not if it is 90 years old like my grandmother. She cries when I do it... but she doesn't even have the strength to dial the last 1 on the phone when i press 9-1 for her!!!!
Violence is good. Obama is bad.
ZmickTrick 2 years ago
@ zmick
whaaaaat thuuuu fuuuuuuck....
Are you trolling? Because it sure seems like it...
@mia
For the record I think the family is entitled for some emotional compensation but the argument should not be because a dog's love is the same as a human's because victims of child murder are shoved aside for something that is far beyond tragic.
I don't think you should ever be able to sue for anything more than 10,000 dollars and that would be a family pet since birth brutally murdered
Zander73 2 years ago
@Zmicktrick:
Cool off!
@Zander73:
Zero Tolerance for Animal Abusers, Period!
TheMia168 2 years ago
What do you mean by zero tolerance? That we should treat the dog as a child? That we should charge the man for murder?
Define zero tolerance because I don' think you really mean it in the sense of a "zero tolerance drug policy" or the equivalent.
Zander73 2 years ago
@Zander73:
Zero Tolerance Policy means: If I catch anyone abuses animals, I will knock that motherf*cker's tooth in. Plain and Simple!
TheMia168 2 years ago
I'm asking about your opinion on the extent of the law towards punishing these individuals, not your personal attitudes towards them.
Zander73 2 years ago
There's already an ass kicking up in the air. The dog is shitting on the guy's lawn.
My point is that one shot from a bb gun = ass kicking, much less than "blowing up that guy's ass", like you said. The equivalent of an ass kicking was given to the dog, but things went bad. Like ass kicking, people are unlikely to get seriously hurt, but it's possible. Maybe he should have shot the owner. The dog would still be alive, the ass kicking would have been paid. Lesson learned: Look after your dog.
GorgonLuvs8008135 2 years ago
Firstly, Where in this video ever mentioned that the dog was shitting on the guy's lawn? Please don't make up stuff to make excuses for the dog shooter.
Secondly, Even if the dog was shitting on his lawn, the guy should have talked to the owner instead of hurting the dog. Blame the owners, not the dogs.
Thirdly, I partially agree with you. Being a responsible pet owner is the best way to protect your pets.
TheMia168 2 years ago
If this does get passed, then why a dog and not any other animal?
My goldfish means the world to me.
eugenethelamb 2 years ago