Navy Issue Raven ganked, then podded for not paying ransom

[MatsudairaTakuma]

Honouring ransoms is for faggots.

[ParadigmShiftr]

@earl6282 This post summarizes my personal opinion on pirates, and should be issued to all carebears upon entering nullsec the first time.

[Hyperion1012]

Not really. So far I haven't met a single pirate that's as bad as people think they are and I was asking for 1v1's in amamake -_-. He gave me a few tips before blowing me up and even payed for my ship.

[ParadigmShiftr]

Honestly, I don't understand why a pirate WOULDN'T pod you. Paying a ransom is giving trust to a pirate.

Honour + Pirate = Oxymoron, bordering on Paradox.

Anyone who says pirates honor ransoms is a lying pirate. Self-Destruct and warp. Don't let those fucking camping murderers have the pleasure.

[Kurdtzdopelgangr]

@ParadigmShiftr Well kind sir, I do appreciate your ignorant point of view but in my time pirating i have always honored ransoms. But in your defense, I do it only to get even more money out of the victim. Cant give people the wrong idea you see. =P

[ParadigmShiftr]

@Kurdtzdopelgangr By saying you always honor ransoms you proven yourself a lying pirate, as per my previous post. Thanks for falling victim to the simplest logic. I suppose anyone who makes a living by taking it from others can't be blessed with too much intellect to begin with.

[Kurdtzdopelgangr]

@ParadigmShiftr Well sir, I respect your ability to call people liars and idiots over the internet. But I must insist that I do honor ransoms. In fact, I was so honest about it that I even told you why I do honor them. I never said I had any honor myself, I said I honored ransoms.

By the way, how exactly can I take logic from other players? Personally I thought I did it for the rage, explosions, isk etc. I eagerly await your reply.

[ParadigmShiftr]

@Kurdtzdopelgangr You have every right to "insist" you honor ransoms. Other EvE players, myself included, also have every right to not believe you. At all.

If you had any honor or trustworthiness whatsoever, you wouldn't be a pirate. Instead, you "insist" you honor ransoms as you steal from honest players. Good job.

I again reiterate my advice to new players and experienced ones alike: Self-Destruct and gtfo. Don't pay these lying sacks of shit a single ISK.

[Kurdtzdopelgangr]

@ParadigmShiftr Yes, as paying players we have a right to our opinions. I also have the right to teach players why it is foolish to enter areas that lack concord protection.

I reject your claim that people who get ganked by pirates are simply "honest players." Its easy to avoid death in lowsec. You even get a warning before entering lowsec. No, people who get ganked in low are simply stupid enough to do something they were warned was dangerous beforehand. They arent honest, they're just stupid.

[Sajuek]

So really, who is untrustworthy and pathetic? :)

[Sajuek]

Carebears cry that pirates don't always honour their ransoms, I for one always do along of the majority of the pirates in EVE, only you don't go crying on C&P when pirates DO let you live.

So over the period of about a month I did a little experiment where if someone said upon ransom "I don't have the ISK." I would say "If I let you go do you promise to pay the ISK as soon as you have it?" I tried this on 10 people, only 1 paid back even 20% of the original asking cost (50m for a tier 2 BS).

[ParadigmShiftr]

@Sajuek Why in the everloving WORLD would someone honor a promise to someone who is holding them ransom? That's simply idiotic. If a pirate let me leave if I promised to get the ISK, I'd leave, then come back to his gatecamp with a posse and pod the shit out of him and his buddies.

I've been attacked by pirates four times. Once I killed him and escaped, once I paid the ransom, the other two times I said I didn't have the isk. Besides the time I fought my way out, I was podded every time.

[Sajuek]

@ParadigmShiftr

On that same note, why in the everlong world would a pirate not blow up a ship that contains some 700m+ in items after they have already received the ransom for it?

In the 10 seconds you have to choose between life or die you don't have enough time to punch names into EVE-search and verify sources, you could dishonour every ransom you make and it would make almost no difference.

But since that little test I have dishonoured over 4b ISK in ransoms :)

[ParadigmShiftr]

@Sajuek Thanks for at least admitting you're a theiving asshole. Can't ask for more than that, I s'pose.

[Lepp123]

nothing better then to pop some asshole gatecamping pirate, pirate tears are the best in eve, I hear they cure cancer of the asshole

[Blackmetal30000]

Fuck all past, present and future pirates in EVE world!

[tyleriuus]

Dear pirates,

As much I would would hate to admit it, I love you guys. Keep these damn Carebears in check! CCP ought to have an annual Day of Chaos. Anything goes in any system. Note to anyone who gets penetrated by pirates, like a few people said before, align your ship, pull an Al Qaida, and gtfo with your pod. I have no sympathy for you. If you're in low/null sec, you should already be able to pay for your ship loss in full.

[JamRunner]

not to mention if pirates from a certain corp keep podding after getting their ransom, word will spread and they'll lose out on future ransoms.

Me? I just self destruct or let them pod me, but respect to you pirates, it takes effort and time to pirate other people out of their isk.

[chevezez]

heh ive actually had a good experience with pirates, i got caught in w-space in my cane , they asked for 10mil and i was gunna pay them then they ran into trouble themselves and asked for me help kill some guys on the other side, i helped and i got out without losing any isk, yeah i coulda ran away but i like to keep my word

[tank1demon]

Any pilot worth their ships knows to align to any warp point in system, self destruct as soon as they have roughly 2 minuts to live, and insta-warp to safety. Don't give these scumbags the satisfaction of the kill, and don't pay ransom. Most pirates are assholes anyway and will kill you even if you give them the cash; don't give them anymore than they can take

[sfdrf]

@tank1demon I take offence to that.. being a pirate.

We honor all ransoms! (although half the time we just kill you without offering the choice. and as it is, your normally dead within a minute of running into my corp mates

[tank1demon]

@sfdrf My expirience with pirates is no, you don't all offer it, and even with those who do, I've only had a few that actualy respect the ranson, or I get ganked by another camp of theirs on the way out. That's why I'm a pirate hunter; I can't trust you lot to keep your word in the best of times.

[sfdrf]

@tank1demon well then!

Remember at least, that if you ever run into The Black Rabbits, that we will honor the ransom. Chances are we've only got one gate camp going at any one time, so you should be safe...

[cycoboy817]

you guys suck for that...

[tchetcheibiza]

If someone pay you should never pod him!!! if you start to pod every one, why in the hell will he pay? specially if he will be killed anyway. You need to think as a pirate my friend. we need our clients alive to get caught another time to pai us again... maybe next time give him a discount! hahaha

[cheezymadman]

1. Pop CNR

2. Demand ransom on pod

3a. He doesn't pay, you pod him

3b. He pays, you pod him anyway.

4. ?????

5. Delicious caerbaer tears and/or profit

[wownuero]

@cheezymadman u give pirates a bad name :|

[vortex675]

lmao killing someone for not paying i think some pirates out there are a bit retarded :) seeing as a ships insurance pay back is enough to buy a new ship plus give it fittings.

wish someone would do that with me my Hel is getting dust on it :(

[idk70six]

Yeah but its not the same for tech 2 ships, you get the pay of insurance for what it pays back on the T1 version of the ship, so it pays back waaaay less then what you alredy payed.

[rhodiuz]

Its a faction ship and costs way way way, you know like, WAY more than it pays out. + since its such an expensive ship its probably running its fitting, rigs. implants etc which could very likely be worth a whole lot more than even the ship! So in that sense, paying ransom is way better. Plus he saves the time hassling with buying all the stuff again.

[Helge129]

@vortex675: No, it's not retarded. He pays ransom? You let him be. He doesn't pay? SHOOT THAT MAN.

[Wargeneralguy]

most pirates i know honour their ransoms sir, so ha

also, first rule of eve is:

If your in a fair fight, you did something wrong

[kismacska23]

@Wargeneralguy

First rule of gankbear nigger kids perhaps... Wargeneralguy my ass :D Clueless donkey...

[HoboWithACamera]

Lol, pirates that do it strictly for the money.

I myself am a tear-aholic and could care less about the ransoms, I just want to drink sweet carebear tears.

You don't ransom to get money, every self respecting eve pirate knows that. You make an alt and ninja with him, thats where the real money comes from (in the beginning at least, when its much more linear).

[lebarosky]

@HoboWithACamera : this is a great comment that says so much about why you are playing EVE. thanks for sharing so honestly.

[cardiffmanz]

Yes Pirateing is not the most profitable thing to do. But the main reason im pirate is because I RP and this is what my charecter does. Also we do more things then just ransom people in gate camps. We even mine in wormhole space which is very profitable. The Key is that I am willing to do anything that makes me profit and doesnt involve dishounering the Corporation

[cardiffmanz]

you are an idiot....main pirate corporations need ransoms to make money so almost all good pirate corporations houner ransoms because otherwise no one pays ransoms which isnt good for us.

You know nothing of pirateing...what you talk about are only small time un organised pirate corps who never get anywhere

[WonkeyWarthogWheel]

I THINK PEOPLE ARE MISSION THE POINT THEY RANSOMED HIS SHIP! he didn't pay so they blew him up because he didn't pay

[Cupit29]

Plenty of people are released after paying a ransom. Try asking around.

[Schala22]

also, your idea that all pirates do what they do because they don't want to play fair and get a kick out of it is quite silly. ever stop to think that a good portion of them do it because - gasp - pvp is actually extremely fun, and piracy is by far the easiest way to find pvp?

[Rageos]

I pirate for money, and occasionally for fun where I don't ask for a ransom. I don't have anything against the people I ransom so I don't feel the need to lie to them and blow them up anyways.

[Schala22]

first, i was replying to this:

"Hmmm, you're saying that if people stop paying ransom, pirates will be less tempted to even try catching people in the first place... In that case, good. Anything that makes pirating less profitable is fine by me. "

and second, i have bumped into a half dozen honorable pirates. i didnt pay ransom, but i impressed them and they let me pass as they said they would.

[Schala22]

you missed the point. instead of hunting you down and asking for ransom, theyre just going to hunt you down, pod you and laugh.

[Crisis7]

I never pay ransom. I set my ships to self-destruct and say to them, fuck you. If you can't win, then don't give them the satisfaction of winning. So what if you get podded? Implants can easily be regained, if you run level 3 or 4 missions.

[Helge129]

If you don't pay ransom, I'd just shoot and podkill you, which already would give me ste statisfaction of winning :p

[Crisis7]

Well then, I look forward to fighting you.

Show me your skills

Isk can be regained, but dignity, not so easily.

[Helge129]

I'd love to, but my account's offline, but once It's up and running again, sure, why not?

[G3rq]

This is why I don t play EVE...

[Helge129]

loosing is an essential part of life, not just of EVE, so deal with it.

[Viscupelo]

You know damn well paying the random just gets you killed.

:D

[ferretsofdeath]

oh look, another clueless moron. Be weary of stairs and open elevator shafts. They're magnets for your kind.

[Viscupelo]

I have been ransomed a many a time, much to my eternal shame, and 75% of the time, I got podded after paying the ransom.

They're idiots, I don't know why they do it, it's counter productive and makes most folks hesitant to pay up at all. Which, obviously, makes life difficult for the 'decent' pirates out there.

I genuinely wish there were more pirates who took the cash, took a bow and warped out, much cooler breed of buccaneer.

[ferretsofdeath]

/facepalm...

Once someone pays...odds are they will pay again if caught at a later time/date. Why would I want to catch someone again if I know they wont pay or have decent loot?

Pirates do have drawbacks to podding after getting ransom. If you paid...then got podded anyways, would you be tempted to buy your way out of losing your pod next time you get caught?

[Crisis7]

Pirates do not care, they want to squeeze every bit of isk out of you and then they pod you, because most likely, you're not going to return to that system any more. I always use self-destruct. i stay in my ship until the ship is getting close to blowing up.

I use the explosion from the ship as a distraction and run in my pod.

Never give pirates satisfaction. Just stall long enough for self-destruct and say: FUCK YOU.

[ferretsofdeath]

Look! It's an idiot!

Idiot Detection: Completed

[funker42]

@ferretsofdeath

1. never pay ransoms.

2. never get yourself in a situation that would require you to pay one in the first place

actually... though it would be worth more isk to the pie is he had the CNR eject and let his pod get away and then nab the ship... but where's the tears in that.

[cardiffmanz]

lol us pirates laugh at you when you do this...the fact that you chose to kill your self and lose more money then to pay a ransom and be free is quite francly retarded....lol I laugh at you noobs....and if you dont pay we stil get your mods or cargo so when you consider we ransom dozzens and dozzens of ships everyday....the only person loseing out from doing this...is you lol

[Crisis7]

Well, I'm losing LESS. So you're calling me stupid for paying your ransom, knowing well that you'll most likely blow my ship up and then pod me.

Yeah better to lose a pod than lose a pod along with the isk given to the commonly dishonorable pirate.

You seem like the type of guy who'll blow up someone's pod and ship, even if they pay you.

[cardiffmanz]

my corporation is called

The Black Rabbits

my Aliance is called

The Gurista Associates

If you know of us or if you look us up you wpuld know that if I dis houner my word I am kiked out of the corp.

We have little rules but the rules we do have must be abided. One of those rules is never dishouner your word....trust that if I say you can go free or if I say 1 v 1 then I mean it as the punishment for breaking this rule is to be kiked from the corp.

We work very much like Veto in that respect.

[Crisis7]

Perhaps your alliance honors ransoms, but most pirates won't.

Think about it, if a pirate can get extra stuff on top of the ransom by blowing up your ship and looting it, he will have more of a reason to blow up your ship than to honor the ransom.

[startide]

@Crisis7 Exactly, it's not like your "partners in business anyway", so it's highly unlikely they care about how you feel about them.

As long as bounty hunting is broken in this game, there are little drawbacks for pirates in this situation ;)

[TheReaverOfDarkness]

@Crisis7 If you'd ever tried that you'd know it doesn't work. Stop bullshitting and admit you're not really above the pirates.

[ferretsofdeath]

See, that's where you're wrong. Pirates get nothing but a KM for podding, whereas if the pod pays, they make money. If they get paid and pod him anyways, then it just gives him more reason to not pay ransoms in the future.

Anyone who takes a ransom, then pods the ransomee, is a F'ing idiot.

If you ever get ransomed by The United, they will honor every ransom. Dishonoring ransoms is bad for business.

[UnknownRex]

hehe, I never pay ransom. ever. :)

[e4gail]

As a care bear it never bothers me to lose a ship. I can replace my raven and all implants in less than a day. But I must say I love watching my wallet grow making money off the pvp folks. Keep making me money guys!

[nephilum1]

meeeeeean

[MaikarLythari]

Bloody brilliant. :)