Francis Fukuyama: "The Origins of the State: China and India"

[jeffofsandiego]

So basically India has been messy, disorganized, squabbling, incompetent, and chaotic for thousands of years.

[TimeGod12]

I believe the best way to counter China's hegemonic imperialist agenda is to give more military, technological, economic favors to democratic republic of India.

That way America will still remain at top of the world.

[assassinm4]

@TimeGod12 lol i couldnt stop laughing at your annotation "hegemonic imperialist". I can tell without saying you are a republican living in a republican state. study some politics and wake up to the world. it's not a realist world anymore. and hegemonic imperialist applies better to the country that started wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Looking at how corrupted the current US congress I'd rather have something else than that.

[TimeGod12]

@assassinm4 Atleast people in USA dont get locked up in jail for criticizing or questioning their government unlike China where people get arrested and have their human rights denied by the Communist government on a massive level along with Google and media censorship.

Why would u assume things about me when u haven't even met me? Idiotic arguments can prove ur not smart.

[nonconservative]

@TimeGod12 tribunals, guantanamo bay, waterboarding, insert more hypocrisy here...

[snakeweirdo]

@TimeGod12 But you still prosecute gays. You're not more free than China.

[TimeGod12]

@snakeweirdo WHAT? We have a "dont ask, dont tell" policy in military where gays can work freely in military and even criticize the government if there is anything wrong in USA.

I dont know where you heard that we prosecute innocent people for no reason.

[snakeweirdo]

@TimeGod12 Yet, having gay sex is illegal in most states.

[TimeGod12]

@snakeweirdo Are you smoking weed or are you high while typing this absurd nonsense? No its not illegal.

And try not to go off-topic of the video which is about state origins.

[snakeweirdo]

@TimeGod12 It's illegal under the sodomy act.

I am not going offtopic, I am just commenting on your ridiculous statement that you're more free.

Oh and I wish weed was legal, so I could buy it cheaper.

[swiftyg69]

@TimeGod12

Oh people do get locked up for speaking out against not just the US government but the autocratic, despotic regimes sponsored and funded by the US - Bradley Manning. I'm not saying the Chinese system is a benevolent democracy, it certainly isn't, but I imagine you'd attach our 'individualist' free market principles to our great democracy now wouldn't you?

[xingfenzhen]

Yangtze valley states plays in the first era of fragmentation. Chu, Wu, Yue all have achieved hegemon status for example. (Chu was actually most powerful state before rise of Qin the Zongheng wars) Sichuan had Shu and Ba state, they mostly fought each other and provided mercenaries before being conquered by Qin just before the Zongheng wars. There are actually states with two Syllables, for example Zhongshan. As for religion, Dong Zhongshu tried to place the check of 天人感应 on gov't but failed.

[xingfenzhen]

actually before the emergence of 氏族 society in China, a large of portions of tribes are matrimonial. Both matrilineal and patrilieal surname are used as late as the spring and autumns period. for example Confucius's patrimonial name is 孔, matrileal name is 子 ( whose matriarch is 契, daughter of 简狄 of the 娀 clan which founded the earlier Shang dynasty) He also share the same matrilineal line as 姬, the royal family of Zhou but is of a different patronage. Yeah, Chinese history is complicated.

[olylifter69kg]

he almost has a hint of aspie from what i can tell

[olylifter69kg]

i believe this lecture matches truly with what i've always pondered and already knew about vaguely to some extent, europeans lacked modern state formation and this reflects how they neglect their own children in the family life, but are very interested in rule of law (gangs and money) and accountability (rulers believing in fairy tales to satisfy the masses), the chinese had a strong authority and modern state formation, a strong authority is not tyranny, it is the opposite of neglect

[olylifter69kg]

the part where he mentions about india's brahmans having a great deal of influence all throughout indian society, instead of being so politically sensitive and articulate, why doesn't he just mention how indians are pussies in general both indo aryan and dravidian alike, with their colorful adornments and dravidian willingness to submit to a caste system, indo aryans were pussies as well being practically ran over by the mongols basically

[Shauriatas]

@olylifter69kg First the Mongols ran over pretty much most of Eurasia. So pretty much most of the world were pussies compared to them. Funnily enough India was the one place they didn't conquer. You're probably referring to the Mughals who while related, were a separate people.

Second what does that have to do with the formation of states from tribal structures anyway? Nothing. You just want to bang on about your own pathetic prejudices.

Basically you're a moron.

[olylifter69kg]

@Shauriatas pathetic prejudices? wronggg, history is objective, indians were always fragmented and pussies, look at how centralized china was and look how far they got resisting the mongols compared to anyone else, and secondly, IT HAS everything to do with tribal structures, we are all still tribes today JUST LIKE before, some tribes are more united and strong because of their evolutionary behavior and less pussy-like, END OF DISCUSSION

[marase4]

Does anybody know where is the rest of the talk series? He promises to talk about the rule of law in the next lecture.