OK here is a simple test that you have not done. First build a 1 to 1 transform that has a primary of 120v and your two secondaries that are also 120v if you connect this transformer up to the power grid, with a watt hour meter.
Then take the secondaries and have a second watt hour meter connected to them, also connect them to the power grid
if this transformer is overunity then the watt hour meter connected to the secondaries should be reading a higher wattage going back into the grid compared to the primarys watt hour meter
How did you fabricate the steel magnetic pieces ? Can you give me details as to thickness, steel type, etc, and number of turns on the coils ? I'd like to replicate your device. Also, are you the patent holder on this, and would you license it ? Thank you
You can connect them to the same load in parallel or to individual loads as well. The secondary windings are wound in the same direction but they don't have to be.
IT'S WRONG ANALISE IN VIDEO. 1/ WHEN USE BOTH SECONDARY COIL THEY CANCAL EACH OTHER SO THE ONLY WAY THAT FLUX GO IS IN PRIMER COLI LIKE A STANDART TTRANSFORMER. NO ENERGY WIN 2/ WHEN USE ONE SECONDARY COIL ON LOAD THERE IS NO CANCAL FLUX BUT PRIMERY COIL FLUX HAS E EASY TO GO THE SECONDAR COIL UNLOAD SO THE VOLTAGE ON SENDARY DROP MUCH. AND SO DON'T HAVE WIN ENERGY. REPLY ME12:56 12/09/2010
Thanks for showing this Thane, it makes great logical sense. Now.. you have proved an oscillator is also possible. With more than enough gain and phase margin to run itself.
The primary core is designed to work as close to saturation as possible which also contributes to a high reluctance primary flux path route - keeping secondary back EMF induced flux out of the primary core leg and in the outer core (low reluctance) region.
The outer secondary core flux path route is also physically larger than the inner primary core which keeps the reluctance down below the primary at all times and keeps the seconady route from saturating.
IT'S WRONG ANALISE IN VIDEO. 1/ WHEN USE BOTH SECONDARY COIL THEY CANCAL EACH OTHER SO THE ONLY WAY THAT FLUX GO IS IN PRIMER COLI LIKE A STANDART TTRANSFORMER. NO ENERGY WIN 2/ WHEN USE ONE SECONDARY COIL ON LOAD THERE IS NO CANCAL FLUX BUT PRIMERY COIL FLUX HAS E EASY TO GO THE SECONDAR COIL UNLOAD SO THE VOLTAGE ON SENDARY DROP MUCH. AND SO DON'T HAVE WIN ENERGY. REPLY ME12:56 12/09/2010
@ThaneCHeins So if the secondary back EMF returns to the primary along the same flux path that the flux from the primary goes to the secondary on it saturates because the flux from the primary is already working it close to saturation?
Then as the primary-to-secondary/secondary-to-primary flux route core begins to saturate the alternative flux path becomes the only route available for the back EMF flux from the secondaries to take?
2300% efficiency!? Wow...any idea how easy or difficult would it be to build one, without access to specialized tooling?
Looking at the diagram, i think i could handle a build...are there any images of the actual Bi-Toroid Transformer to help replicate? (If i can visualize it properly constructed, it should make it easier to build) Would you know the details of the transformer, such as number of turns, physical core material, wire gauge etc.?
@machinationu Bad luck that your attempt didn't work as you had hoped. Respect to you for trying it out though. Perhaps something seemingly trivial is actually important, like using the wrong gage of wire, the wrong core material, too thick in places where it should be too thin (or the other way around), lot's of variables...even physical location on the planet may have an effect, etc. etc. That's what's so exciting about this stuff...a little discovery can make a big difference to the outcome.
Again, so incredible Thane, im gonna build this next :)
kdkinen 8 months ago
I love it trying other routes with this knowledge, hopefully you can get this out and into cars and homes
mavendex 1 year ago
OK here is a simple test that you have not done. First build a 1 to 1 transform that has a primary of 120v and your two secondaries that are also 120v if you connect this transformer up to the power grid, with a watt hour meter.
continue
ke4uyp 1 year ago
Then take the secondaries and have a second watt hour meter connected to them, also connect them to the power grid
if this transformer is overunity then the watt hour meter connected to the secondaries should be reading a higher wattage going back into the grid compared to the primarys watt hour meter
ke4uyp 1 year ago
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ke4uyp 1 year ago
how did you fabricate the steel magnetic pieces ? I'd like to duplicate your experiment. Thank you
fgleich 1 year ago
How did you fabricate the steel magnetic pieces ? Can you give me details as to thickness, steel type, etc, and number of turns on the coils ? I'd like to replicate your device. Also, are you the patent holder on this, and would you license it ? Thank you
fgleich 1 year ago
are both secondary windings wound the same direction ? And, can you connect them together or must they be separate ?
fgleich 1 year ago
Dear fgleich,
You can connect them to the same load in parallel or to individual loads as well. The secondary windings are wound in the same direction but they don't have to be.
Cheers
Thane
ThaneCHeins 1 year ago
IT'S WRONG ANALISE IN VIDEO. 1/ WHEN USE BOTH SECONDARY COIL THEY CANCAL EACH OTHER SO THE ONLY WAY THAT FLUX GO IS IN PRIMER COLI LIKE A STANDART TTRANSFORMER. NO ENERGY WIN 2/ WHEN USE ONE SECONDARY COIL ON LOAD THERE IS NO CANCAL FLUX BUT PRIMERY COIL FLUX HAS E EASY TO GO THE SECONDAR COIL UNLOAD SO THE VOLTAGE ON SENDARY DROP MUCH. AND SO DON'T HAVE WIN ENERGY. REPLY ME12:56 12/09/2010
besibesi18 1 year ago
@besibesi18 Did you duplicate this experiment ?
fgleich 1 year ago
@besibesi18 Typing in all caps makes you look like an ass.
derman077 1 year ago
Thanks for showing this Thane, it makes great logical sense. Now.. you have proved an oscillator is also possible. With more than enough gain and phase margin to run itself.
smokyatgroups 1 year ago
Thane, may i email you a pdf on flux in toroids, that i think you will find extremely interesting.and perhaps ( hopefully ) very useful?
Thanks
rave154 1 year ago
Thane, did you take core saturation into account?
This principle only works if applied in the high ramp part of the B-H curve of the core materials.
When heavy loads are applied cores will saturate and work differently.
robbiehobbie47 1 year ago
Dear robbiehobbie47,
The primary core is designed to work as close to saturation as possible which also contributes to a high reluctance primary flux path route - keeping secondary back EMF induced flux out of the primary core leg and in the outer core (low reluctance) region.
The outer secondary core flux path route is also physically larger than the inner primary core which keeps the reluctance down below the primary at all times and keeps the seconady route from saturating.
Cheers T
ThaneCHeins 1 year ago
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IT'S WRONG ANALISE IN VIDEO. 1/ WHEN USE BOTH SECONDARY COIL THEY CANCAL EACH OTHER SO THE ONLY WAY THAT FLUX GO IS IN PRIMER COLI LIKE A STANDART TTRANSFORMER. NO ENERGY WIN 2/ WHEN USE ONE SECONDARY COIL ON LOAD THERE IS NO CANCAL FLUX BUT PRIMERY COIL FLUX HAS E EASY TO GO THE SECONDAR COIL UNLOAD SO THE VOLTAGE ON SENDARY DROP MUCH. AND SO DON'T HAVE WIN ENERGY. REPLY ME12:56 12/09/2010
besibesi18 1 year ago
@ThaneCHeins So if the secondary back EMF returns to the primary along the same flux path that the flux from the primary goes to the secondary on it saturates because the flux from the primary is already working it close to saturation?
Then as the primary-to-secondary/secondary-to-primary flux route core begins to saturate the alternative flux path becomes the only route available for the back EMF flux from the secondaries to take?
Galv140577 1 year ago
You should start a company and get yourself on the stock exchange, I'd buy some shares!
lejink 1 year ago
@lejink He has a company already.
It's called Potential +/- Difference Inc.
spikeychops 1 year ago
Thank you. This is very very interesting. A magnetic diode.
Gary
llewgnal 1 year ago
Thanks Thane.
Interesting stuff!
2300% efficiency!? Wow...any idea how easy or difficult would it be to build one, without access to specialized tooling?
Looking at the diagram, i think i could handle a build...are there any images of the actual Bi-Toroid Transformer to help replicate? (If i can visualize it properly constructed, it should make it easier to build) Would you know the details of the transformer, such as number of turns, physical core material, wire gauge etc.?
Cheers Thane.
spikeychops 1 year ago
@spikeychops see no replications that work. I even made one in a few hours, of course it did not work
not meaning it could not work. Where is the WORKING proof, not meters made to malfunction...
machinationu 11 months ago
@machinationu Bad luck that your attempt didn't work as you had hoped. Respect to you for trying it out though. Perhaps something seemingly trivial is actually important, like using the wrong gage of wire, the wrong core material, too thick in places where it should be too thin (or the other way around), lot's of variables...even physical location on the planet may have an effect, etc. etc. That's what's so exciting about this stuff...a little discovery can make a big difference to the outcome.
spikeychops 11 months ago