I'd say it is worse for anyone is to become a professional lier. To claim something without the slightest evidence is in the scientific sense a lie. You can believe what you want, but if you go out and tell kids they are inherently sinful you are damaging their lifes.
"Christianity hasn't been weighed in the balance's & found wanting. it's been tried, found difficult and rejected."
"The Love of Christ constraineth us; knowing the terror of The Lord, None of this sentimental love business, God is a just God".
Lord raise up men today as was Elijah & Paul. Men that do not fear men, but fear you Lord. Men that seek your will & not their own, men that seek to raise up your people for your glory & not their own. Come quickly Lord. Amen
Many Christians preach that the Bible replaces the Holy Spirit. Mr. Ravenhill says that the Bible has everything God is going to ever say to man. But Jesus says, "Give us THIS DAY our DAILY BREAD." And He reveals Himself to be this Bread that proceeds from the mouth of God. But few desire to eat from God's mouth and drink from His lips, for then you shall have to act on what you hear, and that requires faith. Meet Messiah Jesus for yourself, and learn to hear His Voice by listening to Him.
@OKandNOWwhat And how do you know you are not just talking to yourself? Ask Jesus (yourself) to tell you something you couldn't have known already, and I'm fairly confident you will see that you yourself don't hear "HIS" voice....just your own.
His sheep know His Voice. You doubt He speaks because you are not of His sheep. There are many things that Jesus has told me that were beyond my personal knowledge or the knowledge of a collective consciousness.
I cannot describe blue to a blind man. Nor shall I entertain the doubts of one who says in his heart there is no God.
@OKandNOWwhat HAHA!! Well how convenient. I'm sorry, but that is a load of rhetorical nonsense. I don't doubt "HE" speaks. I fully believe that you THINK you talk to God. I'm also quite certain that you DO NOT! What I said was not about Jesus, it was about your inability to use rationality. I never said that there is no God! What the hell are you talking about! We can have a rational discussion, or you can try to sweep your lack of thoughtfulness under the rug.
@OKandNOWwhat The typical Christian response. One dripping with outrageous-self aggrandizement, and pure ego. You think you have some ability to talk to God that I don't! Well. guess what, I can't talk to God and neither can you. I just happen to have my imagination under control. "One who says in his heart?" You gotta be kidding me. You are aware that the heart just pumps blood, right? So, that leaves the brain to do the saying, and my brain is saying you can't separate reality from fiction.
@k0smon I am sure. My only problem is that I can't prove it in any way. I have no problem with people believing in things that major religions tell them, that's human nature. When religious people (or atheists) start presenting arguments proving or disproving god's existence based on logic or laws of nature, that's what I call ridiculous. There are no such arguments for either side. If there were, I'd use them.
Crimes committed in the name of the Christian god By they fruits, you will be judged. The Inquistion, The Witchhunt, The 30 year war. The Conquistadores, The plunder and destruction of the civilizations in the Americas. The partcipation in the slave trade. the progroms against and expulsion of the Jews. The publication of the worst, racist antisemitic book. The fabrication and use of the worst torture tools ever, The worst nightmare of a preacher !!!
This video contains graphic footage of a real zombie giving a passionate speech about eternal undeath with the Zombie King. Viewer discretion is advised.
@bamcis17 DONT think that u are wise enough to blurt things about viewer discretion and ur comment sucks not very interesting and ur nothing but a skeptic
Every pastors needs to preach straight from the word of God and not prepared sermons. Go to the scripture and speak from that and allow the Holy Spirit to do the convicting of human conscience & heart. We don't need to hear what one desire to hear, we need to hear the truth, whether truth hurts or not. Born again christian life is a journey & learning and that is never ending, that God for that. We must take our cross and follow him.
in the end times it shall be as the times of noah and sodom, who will listen?? Noah went out and spoke to the multitude and so did Lot. no one listened.
I met Ravenhill once, in his office. He was the same guy in person that he was in the pulpit - a single-minded man. We need men like this today. Lord, bring Revival and let it begin with me.
What an awesome vdeo. It just goes to show you no matter how much one does for the LORD, he never thinks he does enough. How Paul could think he hadn't done enough for JESUS is beyond me. We all need men like Pastor Ravenhill in our lives. To keep our minds focused on the real important things in life.
Sure we still need to do our jobs, raise our kids, pay our bills, but we need to always be Christ conscious. I wish all five of my children were babies again, and I could raise them all over.
cont. And I wish I had a pastor like Ravenhill to teach me how to be a good Christian. Then maybe all five of my kids would be Christians instead of three out of five.
@mammal46 keep praying for your kids and i will pray for them also. we are not to give up on our lost love ones for we too were lost at one time. may God answer all your prayers.
@mammal46 Maybe if you taught you're children and disciplined them according to the Word then maybe all your kids would be Christian? Stop blaming others for you're parenting. Honour your leadership. Pray for the two children there is still a chance, don't be so quick to write them off!
ust who do you think you are coming off telling me I should have raised my children better? 3out 5 are still saved and love Jesus, that should say something. I've always blamed myself and do you know what yes I will blame pastors. My daughter OD at an AWANA meeting and the pastor said I don't ever want that Jezabell back in my church, maybe if he'd of shown some love of JESUS instead of acting like pharise like You Are. She might still belive in GOD. Dont judge where you havent walked.
@mammal46 BOOM easy tiger! Im not telling you how to raise your children better, i could never fathom the job of a mother. I was pointing out that often the blame....actually we don't even need to go down this road. Sorry for any offence Bernadette!
@sasiprapaful It's okay, I'm just really sensitive about all my children and I cry every day because I know if I'd of just tried harder my other daughters would be saved too. GOD Bless you and have a wonderful week♥
@mammal46 Remember that it is not our job to give people the holy spirit, only God can do such a thing! I doubt that you could do a better job then you already have telling the word, just pray that God will save your children and leave the rest to him, he loves everyone and will do what he can to save. It is their own choice if they want to take God in their arms, it's a relationship between your children and God alone. I struggle with the same thing, but we can just pray God will reach them
Video is broken gets to 2.14 then stops. I've tried to refresh the page, tape it forward. It won't go past 2.14. Too bad Leonard Ravenhill is one of my favourite preachers. He is awesome. We could use about 2 billion of him today.
Arab pagans worshipped a moon god, that was before Islam, nowhere in the quran does it say anything about a moon god, yes Allah is the generic name for god and no it doesnt derive from moon god, it's only the stands for the god word in "moon god"
@rsims87 what scriptures are you reading? only pagan is you for twisting and warping the truth not the Jews, the only true name of god we know is Jesus, the rest are fabricated and you thinking you know the true name of the heavenly father is just arrogant, you need help and I will be praying for you
@77avt Dude, there are other languages in the world besides English. Are you saying the Apostle Peter isn't going to Heaven because he didn't call Jesus 'Jesus' in English? No! Am I going to hell because I call Him 'Him'? No! Is the person who's never heard the name 'Jesus' going to hell because they don't know English? No! Right, His name in English is Jesus, and that is what I call Him, but not the only thing. I call Him Savior, Messiah, God, Lord, Lamb, Lord Jesus, and many other things.
I have a copy of an Arabic New Testament in which God is clearly translated as Allah. Allah comes from the same root as the Hebrew words El, Eloh and Elohim, which are used in the Old Testament. Abba is Aramaic for Father, not God.
@77avt A New Testament bible translated into ARABIC? Saying 'allah' is God in arabic? By who?! Ain't it more or less like a criminal being appointed into investigating his own crime?
See my channel for a new vid I uploaded challenging Paul Washers heretical teachings which is wrought on by a dangerous religous spirit to doubt a child of GODS salvation. GOD bless Beloved! In Jesus name, amen.
Allah translates to God in English from Arabic just like as Dio does from Italian it's just the word the word for God, and it's not a name of a God and actually Arabs use it to refer the God of the old testament after all islam is one of the Abrahamic religions yes the God of Moses, Noah, Jacob, Isaac ect...
Come on people don't spew out nonsense out your mouth go get educated and don't be an embarrassment to the Christian body
@77avt Allah is a title that originated from a Pagan Name, just like God and Lord, all three are pagan titles and should NOT be used for Yahuah Elohim!
@insaner169 No, Elohim, El, etc. were nouns BEFORE they became Pagan names. God and Lord were pagan in origin. That is the difference. Sorry, I should have been more clear.
@insaner169 Yes, I can take you back in time and let you see the origins of these words. No, I am doing the best I can with the information available to me. Why does everything have to be proven to you? Don't you care enough to investigate on your own? Prove things to yourself. Take no man's word without finding the evidence yourself.
@rsims87 theres no reason to get abrasive. you were making a claim, you should be able to support it with evidence. i already have done my research, i am currently learning hebrew, and my teacher is a phd in biblical hebrew.. hence why i ask you to show how you support your claims. if you cannot support your claims you must desist from insisting on your position.
also, you didnt address my point that God and Lord are not names but titles.. and this only in the english language
@rsims87 you totally missed the point, btw it's spelled Yahweh and the name was substituded for God, Lord, Khodah, Dio, Allah by the Hebrew Jews not pagans, because the divine name was not to be spoken.
The examples i gave are just the word God in different languages, and are only titles not names again do your research, then say something.
@77avt No it's Yahuah. Yahweh is a name for Jupiter. The "Hebrew Jews" were often times just as pagan as the heathen nations. Someone's nationality does not exclude them from being pagan. The divine name was not to be spoken do to Talmudic, religious bull crap. Yahuah said all thriough out Scripture to call on His Name, speak His Name and proclaim His Name! I never said God or Lord were names in our language, I said they ORIGINATE from pagan names. So what exactly would you like me to research?
@77avt the difference is in pronunciation of allah. But the Allah/God that the muslim is different from the God of the True believers of Jesus Christ. Other meaning of allah of the muslims is moon-god.
@frosbel Allah is a generic name for god and it derives from Al Ilah a moon god called "the face of the moon". When Muhamed introduced Islam he decided Al Ilah wasn't jus going to be a god but called him the one true God.
@frosbel actually, in arabic the word for God is allah. ask an arab Christian. allah is not a specific name for the muslim false god. make sense? its like when a mormon or a jehovah's witness says they pray to God......we use the same word "God" but of course they have the wrong belief about who God is.
God has really gotten a hold on me this year and i have come to understand that intellectual christianity saves and changes no one. modern christianity focuses on the definintions of words like agape love. Gods love is not only a choice. it is true and when it is genuine feels. It is tender and gentle and full of mercy. You can only love with this kind of love if you experience this Love from God first. This is why we must teach the true gospel of grace in Jesus Christ and stop teaching the law
It hasn't always been easy for me to listen to a man like Paul Washer but I can say this, I love Paul Washer and I love Leonard Ravenhill. Any recording or footage of Leonard Ravenhill preaching is priceless. Thanks for sharing LaneCh.
@Ryno706 Why would you want to be the salt that irritates? We should be the salt that preserves the Word of God. Matthew 5:13.
This is Clarke's commentary on the verse.
"Ye are the salt of the earth - Our Lord shows here what the preachers of the Gospel, and what all who profess to follow him, should be; the salt of the earth, to preserve the world from putrefaction and destruction."
Risen1,when it comes down to it it all the same,,U worship the dam god,come on.All of it is humans tring to make sence out of what they dont understand,and everything is satanic to u belivers(U need a scapegoat,thats just human,its not a good thing but its human).I have read the bible and the satanic bible.There are alot of good things in both,but satanist dont even belive there is a "satan"its about the mind,our behaver,why we do the things we do.Good can not execst with out evil.
@slappyskab I disagree, however, you see God is a God of Light and in him there is NO darkness. You love evil and have only proved the Bible right with your words.
Just remember it is never to late to start repenting and turn away from spiritual suicide like satans bible.
NO ,THE WORST THING THAT CAN HAPPEN TO A PREACHER IS TO GET COUGHT HAVING SEX WITH A LITTLE BOY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HOW SAD IT IS. 4 MOST OF THESE ASSHOLES DONT CARE OR WORRY ABOUT INTILL THEY GET COUGHT.
I bet you don't get so upset when the abuser is a school teacher do you?
Have you considered who the victims are? The child who goes to that Church, and his or her family. What father of an abused child would not want to kill the man who did such a thing to his child? You condemn Christians without realizing you are blaming the victims, because the perpetrator used a trusting Church environment to prey upon the children of Church members.
Separating yourself (in your mind, of course, since you can't do it physically) from the rest of the world in order to be a 'follower' is a cult tactic - one of several ways to psychologically condition people.
@eulercircles i dont think every church that teaches that is a cult. its written in the Bible: 2 Corinthians 6:17 "Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you. "
You know I read most of the comments up to page 8and I think most of it is about SICKENING!!! you people need to give your heart to Jesus before it's everlasting to late and yes you will burn in a devils hell if you die lost with out him!!!
*sarcasm on* I guess when you're that much of a pompous ass you don't need to open your Bible and actually back up what you say with Scripture. You can just hinge your doctrine on a lot of BS about how less adequate than you everyone else is. I see the love of God shining through you brother, I FEEL it. *sarcasm off*
If you enjoy Ravenhill, you will probably also enjoy, Carter Conlon and David Wilkerson. The book and movie, "The Cross & The Switchblade was about Wilkerson and his ministry to gangs. Look up a video called "Wake up Church." Powerful preaching, as it should be.
Alot of Preachers are spending so much time on TV and writing books, that is the only thing they have as a minister. They write so many books today and make so much money on them, that they have to keep comming up with new stuff to write in them. It's all about their newest and latest revelations, and God said and Jesus said, but then they expound so much of their own words and thinking, that God has diappeared into the fog of the books and new revelations.
We all need to understand the one true message of God's word.....that Jesus is the only one true way to heaven......any other will not get you there.. Get away from the desires and glimmer of the world b/c it will decieve you into leaning upon yourself and your own understanding thinking that you can find your own way....The bible warns of this
Too bad this "preacher" doesn't understand that he has no way of knowing what Jesus did or didn't say. There is no "Book of Jesus" in the Bible, no first-hand accounts and no eye-witness accounts. It's all third-hand hearsay and the New Testament is so rife with centuries and centuries of changes that by the time the first Greek New Testament was published in 1516, there was no longer any way to know what any of it originally said. There are more changes in the NT than there are words!
Beast, you obviously haven't read much about this. Just about everything you've said here is laughably wrong. The New Testament was written almost entirely by eyewitnesses, and we have 10's of thousands of ancient copies of it. Get your facts straight.
Why don't you get yourself comfortable, get a drink and a snack and have a little look at the facts (for a change). The only reason to believe that the Gospel of Mark might have been written by Mark (Peter's secretary), is because Papias claims Mark wrote a gospel. But he also deliberately states that it was written in Hebrew as would be expected. The document called the "Gospel of Mark" in the Bible was written in Greek, not Hebrew. But that's only the start of its troubles.
The Greek text we call "Mark" was anonymous as were all of the gospels. It clearly demonstrates a lack of understanding of Jewish customs and laws. It misquotes the 10-commandments, portrays religious Jews making purchases on the sabbath, and attributes what Jews believe to be words of God, to Moses. The document has been traced to an unknown Roman convert to Christianity and was written between 60-80CE. The oldest known copies make no mention of a resurrection or ascension.
There are numerous versions of the document and the oldest ones all end at 16:7 or 16:8 (the one in the Bible ends at 16:20). It didn't come to be called "Mark" until half way through the second century. One of the more interesting versions of "Mark" is the Carpocratians version in which Jesus engages in pedophilia, thought to be a virtue among that culture. Scribes added the resurrection and ascension to Mark within decades of its writing.
"Matthew" and "Luke" both show unmistakable signs of using "Mark" as their basis. "Mark" contains 661-verses, "Matthew", 1068-verses and "Luke" 1149-verses. It's important to note that a full 80% of the verses in "Mark" have parallel verses in "Matthew" and 65% have parallel verses in "Luke". "Matthew" was assigned authorship by church fathers around 150CE and the document was written around 90-100CE. The Greek in "Mark" is noticeably less elegant than in "Luke" and "Matthew".
"Matthew" has been traced to an unknown author in Syria. and the earliest copies of "Matthew" don't contain the first two chapters found in the copy in the Bible. That means that the virgin birth and genealogy were both later additions by scribes who were supposed to just copy the document. However, as was not uncommon, they made edits as they worked. The author of "Luke" is also anonymous but is thought to have been the same author as for "Acts".
"Luke" is a compilation of "Mark", about 100 verses from a lost document known as "Q" and information obtained from "The Antiquity of the Jews" and "Jewish War" which were both written by Flavius Josephus and completed in 93CE. It is clearly not a first-hand account but an attempt to weave together multiple sources into a single work. One of the most intriguing things about "Luke" is that the author was using a damaged copy of "Mark" and this is evident in Luke 9:18.
Luke 9:18 starts with Jesus who is off alone praying, then suddenly states that his disciples are with him. This is due to the missing portion of "Mark" from which "Luke" was created. The first half of Luke 9:18 comes from Mark 6:46, and the latter half is from Mark 8:27. And this is confirmed by the fact that there are multiple important events and miracles between Mark 6:46 and Mark 8:27, none of which appear anywhere in "Luke".
"Luke" is dated to be written after 93CE as the information it contains from the writings of Josephus are less detailed and accurate than those found in the writings of Josephus. "John" exhibits the same referencing to the works of Josephus and thusly, is also dated to post 93CE. These are the only three writings which contain certain claims and information of the time, and as mentioned, Flavius Josephus presents the more accurate and detailed accounts.
The oldest available copies of John do not contain the final chapter found in the "Gospel of John" of the Bible, in which Jesus meets with his disciples after his crucifixion. So the resurrection, ascension, virgin birth, genealogy and meeting with Jesus after his death are NOT part of the original documents. But, like ALL of the other New Testament documents, the originals have been lost. There exists not one original book of the New Testament today.
And no, we don't have 10s of thousands of copies. All told, we have a bit over 5,700 New Testament manuscripts. These are cataloged in a book known as the "K-Liste" which stands for, "Kurzgefasste Liste der griechishen Handschriften des Neuen Testaments". Josh McDowell is famous for his misrepresentation in which he claims 24,000+ NT manuscripts which is purely false. You can check this with the "Center for the Study of New Testament Manuscripts" website.
Most intriguing as one checks the various copies are the number of changes to be found. When John Mill was working with about 100 New Testament manuscripts in 1707, he was alarmed by the number of edits and differences. He decided to count only those which actually change the meaning of the text. When he was finished, he counted over 30,000 changes. Scholars today agree that the 5,700+ manuscripts contain literally, more changes than there are words in the New Testament.
The information on the findings of John Mill can be confirmed through Wikipedia or dozens of other online sites as well as hard-copy encyclopedias. The information is correct. Among the changes are those mentioned; the resurrection & ascension, virgin birth, genealogy and meeting with disciples as well as the parable of Jesus and the adulteress (11th century addition) as well as 1st John 5:7 (10th century addition). There is NO reason to believe any were first-hand accounts.
"Although the first gospel is anonymous, the early church fathers were unanimous in holding that Matthew, one of the 12 apostles, was its author. But, the results of modern critical studies, in particular, those that stress Matthews alleged dependence on Mark for a substantial part of his gospel have caused some biblical scholars to abandon Mathian authorship. "Why," they ask, "would Matthew, a witness to the events of the Lord's life depend so heavily on Mark's account?"
This explains the many disagreements among the gospels. Were the accounts of eye-witnesses, the details should mostly match. But they disagree on who went to the tomb, what they found, what they did, if Jesus carried his own cross, the inscription on the cross, what the two thieves said, what Jesus said, what the centurion said, when the crucifixion took place, when Jesus was born (a discrepancy of 10-years), and whether Jesus remained in Nazareth/Bethlehem or fled to Egypt.
I've read a number of sources, not just the Bible or profit-evangelists like Josh McDowell. This information comes from scholars such as G. A. Wells, Richard Carrier, Bart Ehrman and others.
Your problem isn't that my information is wrong, but that it's firstly, different from what you've been lead to believe, and secondly, much different than what you WANT to believe. It is, none-the-less, correct. The New Testament is not a collection of first-hand accounts.
(Luke 9:18) And it came to pass, as he was alone praying, his disciples were with him: and he asked them, saying, Whom say the people that I am? (KJV)
(Mark 6:46) And when he has sent them away, he departed to a mountain to pray. (KJV)
(Mark 8:27) And Jesus went out, and his disciples, into the towns of Caesarea Philippi: and by the way he asked his disciples, saying unto them, Whom do the men say that I am? (KJV)
This is even more interesting when you look to the history of Desiderius Erasmus and his 1516 publication (the first), of a Greek New Testament, in which he was rushed and had to use but a singular 12th century document for his gospels, another 12th century document for epistles and a damaged copy of Revelations mixed with his own translations of the Latin Vulgate. The resulting work set the tone for western Bibles for the next 300-years including the 1611 King James Version.
Beast, Plenty of scholars would disagree with your shrill assertions/assumptions. My theologian friends recommend you read David Allen Black's "Why Four Gospels?" and "Revisiting the Synoptic Problem" to answer your "problems." Also, Eta Linnemann's "Is There a Synoptic Problem?" and "Biblical Criticism on Trial". Dr. Norman Geisler's "From God to Us" talks about the manuscript evidence. Also, Dr. Gleason Archer's "Encyclopedia of Bible Difficulties."
A great many scholars have worked to achieve the demonstrability of the points I raised. And no true scholar can put forth an evidenced assertion to refute it. Shall I recommend books to you? I've read literally dozens, watched dozens of documentaries, videos, compilations, web-sites and they all cross-check. The problem is simply desire. You have a desire to believe orthodox Christian doctrine. My desire was for the truth. It wasn't what I wanted, aside from being true.
I've read the work of scholars who have learned, not just Greek, but Greek of older dialects so that they could read the documents first-hand. I would recommend that your theologian friends take a little time to actually read the work of those who have hands-on experiences. I could easily recommend more than a dozen books. But nothing will help them if they don't reach objective ground before analyzing the evidence. They're ALL theists, are they not?
Allow me to refresh your memory. You started by noting that I presented findings different than what you believe. So you assumed that I, "obviously haven't read much about this". I hope you can be honest enough with yourself to realize that I've read a LOT about it, likely far more than you can claim. But you're not objective. You will allow yourself to believe only what you wish to believe, true or not. So you pass your responsibility to others and yet refuted nothing.
Why are there four gospels? I've read the reason in the words of Irenaeus. Have you? Have you ever performed a horizontal reading of the gospels - to isolate the disagreements? Have you read the analysis of the Greek texts which show that "Matthew" and "Luke" were copied from "Mark" and not the other way around? Your honest answers are likely "no". You simply defer to anyone willing to support what you WANT to believe. You will accept only what you have already accepted.
Acquaint yourself with the difference between a demonstrable fact and an assumption. You've mislabeled my statements entirely and have done nothing to support your falsehoods. You accused me of not knowing what i was talking about, it's up to YOU to support that claim. You've failed to do so on even one account. Plenty of scholars back the statements I've made but what is of far more value, is the evidence supports them fully. You reject any truth you don't like, without cause
My oh my Beast! You have the audacity to insinuate you're coming at this with zero presuppositions?!! Good grief you're doing the very thing you accuse me of: believing what you WANT to believe. You're being a hypocrite on that point. You also have zero idea of what any of my theologian friends have read and yet you accuse them of ignorance...shame on you. I'll grant that you've done reading on it and I was wrong on that point, but you're sumarily sweeping away scholarly work I cited... bad!
You're assuming I wanted to believe that there's no benevolent entity watching over mankind, that when we die, we simply cease to exist and the bad things in our life stand no chance of getting better aside from what we can do for ourselves? Why would anyone WANT to believe that. You're terribly short-sighted. I'm really not concerned with what your "theologian friends" have or haven't read. The point is, YOU know very little about the subject, yet insist I'm wrong.
You cited book titles. That's it! You've done zero to attempt to explain away any of the evidence which shows that the New Testament is but a warped and distorted version of the original works, that there is no scholarly reason to assume any of it comes from first-hand eye-witnesses, that any of the authors ever even met Jesus or for that matter, that Jesus was other than a man around whom gradios stories were constructed. There isn't ONE extra-biblical miracle account.
You're showing your cowardice and denial now. YOU haven't read either side. YOU have no clue what the issues are on either side. You only HOPE I'm wrong, so you're willing to side with anyone even suggesting there are rational arguments, even though you've never read them and have no clue what they are, if they're rational or what they're based upon. And yet you started by suggesting that *I* hadn't read, that *I* didn't know what *I* was talking about. Do your own work.
You actually have the nerve to expect me to run out and buy 6-books YOU haven't read, just because you claim some "theologian" friends recommended them to you as responses for what I presented, which again HAVEN'T READ? Until you have some clue what you're talking about, don't expect me to refute arguments you can't even present. YOU claimed I didn't know what I was talking about. It's quite obvious YOU'RE the one devoid of a position of knowledge on the subject.
Beast you're making more bad assumptions and accusations. I actually have read your points and I've heard them made before. I made the very reasonable suggestion that you read scholarly refutations of what you presented, and yet you're unwilling to even read something that might prove you wrong... Have some integrity for gosh sakes. You don't have to buy the books, Get free online material of scholar Eta Linnemann. Why wouldn't you do that unless you're afraid you might be wrong?
Not so fast. You made assertions... and that's ALL you've done. If you can refute the points I've made, then do so. If you can't, then learn from that. So far you're not at all shy about responding, but you're responses are completely devoid of anything but hollow claims. I didn't tell you to go read a list of books. I made my points known. Either do that same or back away realizing that you have a great deal to learn before you can hold your belief with intellectual honesty.
Not hollow at all Beast. What difference does it make whether I post refutations in chunks below say from scholar Eta Linnemann or have you go to her free online refutations. You're using a red herring. Would you like a link to her refutations of your opinions, or do you want to avoid her?
I'm afraid you're simply wrong. When you make an assertion and refuse to support it, it's a hollow assertion. You seem so apprehensive that it seems you're either afraid to find out the truth for yourself, or afraid that it won't stand up to scrutiny. If you read it and then present it, you'll need to stand behind it. As is you're taking the cowardly way out. You're simply saying "go read that, there I'm right". The truth is likely that YOU'VE never read it and have no clue.
Salvation is a free gift but not all know it, including you, seemingly. You sound more like the puffed up pharisee every second, I'm willing to take a guess that you don't bring many to salvation do you now? Look, now, I'm good at belittling as well! Grow up, please. Are you in leadership at all? If so I need to pray for your congregation, as well as you.
You cannot convince anybody of their need to repent if your doctrine says their is no hell. And I will say again, hell is an eternity cast AWAY from God. Do you really believe we don't have to do anything? Let's sit back and ignore pain and suffering in the world, because "we're alright, jack". No, we, the elect of God, are here to give the good news to the lost, because death has lost it's sting, that is, the FEAR of it. Your flesh will die, but the seperation that is death won't happen.
By the way, one thing you must try to understand through the thick, hazy lenses of pharasitical doctrine and death, is that being civilised isn't a great thing; it's just next to indifference in satan's armoury. As a great general in God's army once said' "If satan can't get you any other way, then he'll civilise you". This compromise is a western concept of trying to please everyone, alien to people of biblical time. Germans speak German, Arabs speak Arabic, God speaks Covenant.
Pagan? You are talking such nonsense, that you obviously are one that is trapped in law(doctrine), and you cannot free yourself from it. I would never say Jesus is a failure; Jesus has conquered death, but He still requires us to step into his truth. How much doctrine do you need to absorb before you dry up and blow away like dust? Truth is what you need, and truth is Jesus, revealed to us by the Holy Spirit. The Word is so simple it takes years of your theology to mess it all up!
Of course I believe in hell, 'hell' is described at length in scripture, but it is, in essence, eternity away from God. Even if God has to send us , he still loves us. Find out, I implore you, about this 'Hessid' love that he has, and learn about COVENANT language before you talk of being 'kind'. God doesn't love his enemy, Satan, he just cannot be indifferent to his children. If they choose to follow the path that leads to death, he, by covenant, must take them there, no matter how it pains him
What he was referring to is that 'Hessid' Love, not wishy-washy, "I'll love you if I feel like it" Love. God's love is absolute and God challenges us to choose to love no matter what, "warts and all", if you like. So many people love on the basis of "can I be bothered, today?' Jesus said "Love your enemies, pray for those who persecute you". How many of us feel like that, at any given time, or situation? Yet He will have this. Understand before you cry, "heretic!". Love isn't Lukewarm - ever!
I'm suggesting Jesus wasn't real. Neither was the talking snake, donkey, whale taxis, generation incest, an 8000 year old earth... I'm so over all the guilt and duress shackling modern day progress b/c of a antiquated bronze and iron age belief system. Unacceptable
apparently your not over it like you say, or why do you feel the need to come here and post on a christian video? there are plenty of other Godless and progressive things that might interest you.
Are you stating as a matter of fact that you don't think Jesus was real? If you stand by your previous statement below: "I'm so tired of all the emotional pleading without any discernable evidence," Then may I present some discernable evidence from early SECULAR HISTORY: Tacitus, Lucian, Suetonius, Pliny, Thallus, etc, talk about Jesus as a real, objective figure. If you want more info then let me know.
True, we can just let these people continue to fall victim to religion, but we should at least show them the truth and evidence against this crap once. You can't convert most of these stubborn believers, but once they learn the truth, they are forced to remember it every time they read their crappy scriptures and pay real money to these charletons.
We really should be. We have entire generations whoa re supposed to surpass the previous ones in intelligence who are being held back by the imposed ignorance of religion. Just look at the middle east. They are practically bronze age over there. We have the same here in America with the evangelical idiots. Only instead of bronze age palestine, they want us stuck in McCarthy era 1950's.
100% right. Did you hear the beginning of this vid? "the worst thing that can happen to a preacher is to become civilized"? That means they prefer to be uneducated, stupid, insane, ignorant , or willfully lie to people for profit. Religion is a plague that needs to be stomped out.
Oh please. Religion has been the number one murderer and war monger ever. BIllions killed in the name of something they cannot prove and isn't even worth fighting over. The spread of one lie over another? It's definitely worht protecting myself and my family from the spread of imperaialist lies that require people to lay down their individuality and freedom for whose "invisible sky-god" exists. Why don't you silly people just grow up?
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@cfactsrfacts though shall worship no other God but Adonai. Jesus tells you that the Father is the holy one....Why do you say " we need to be on our knees before Jesus"
not a sermon not a miracle not a movement just stayed in Galalie and made a living he finally reached the time of his life when he would become a Rabi and receive his commission then he went to a wedding and said to his mother IT IS NOT MY TIME but his mother forced him to honor her and obey to make the water into wine. Then he went about doing miracles and told them TELL NO ONE but they did tell and the people swarmed about him.
HIS WAYS ARE NOT OURS but we force him to move mountains for us
in the year 70ad as a sign to the ISAC that they had lost G()D the temple was taken and destroyed but it did not have the ark it was an empty tomb. then in 635 ad Ishmael took the temple mount and placed an abomination on it to show the Christians who had it that the should put their love in the creator and not the creation
then in 1967 the JEWS took Jerusalem but not the temple for it was not TIME then in 2009 abomination
Lo! ALLAH(the only One & Only God/Lord of mankind & universe) INSPIRED THEE (MOHAMMED pbuh) as WE inspired NOAH and the PROPHETS after him, as WE inspired ABRAHAM and ISHMAEL and ISAAC and JACOB and the tribes, and JESUS and JOB and JONAH and AARON and SOLOMON and as we inspired unto DAVID the PSALMS; = & messengers WE have mentioned unto thee before & messengers WE have not mentioned unto thee; and ALLAH SPAKE DIRECTLY UNTO MOSES; = The Holy Quraan, IV,163 -164.
Hey LanCh, Nice mormon advertisement making any money off it? I find that interesting you let that happen being a Christian.
InfallibleProof 2 months ago
Salt that Irritates - meaning to effect people, to be the fire that moves people.
yevnest 4 months ago
great stuff, thanks for posting :)
MsOnyx123 6 months ago
I'd say it is worse for anyone is to become a professional lier. To claim something without the slightest evidence is in the scientific sense a lie. You can believe what you want, but if you go out and tell kids they are inherently sinful you are damaging their lifes.
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youneekk 8 months ago
my idea of hell is spending eternity with evangelical christians.
turbo1964 8 months ago
"Christianity hasn't been weighed in the balance's & found wanting. it's been tried, found difficult and rejected."
"The Love of Christ constraineth us; knowing the terror of The Lord, None of this sentimental love business, God is a just God".
Lord raise up men today as was Elijah & Paul. Men that do not fear men, but fear you Lord. Men that seek your will & not their own, men that seek to raise up your people for your glory & not their own. Come quickly Lord. Amen
cheryl7davis 9 months ago
what an amazingly irritating voice!
vozuluzov 9 months ago
Many Christians preach that the Bible replaces the Holy Spirit. Mr. Ravenhill says that the Bible has everything God is going to ever say to man. But Jesus says, "Give us THIS DAY our DAILY BREAD." And He reveals Himself to be this Bread that proceeds from the mouth of God. But few desire to eat from God's mouth and drink from His lips, for then you shall have to act on what you hear, and that requires faith. Meet Messiah Jesus for yourself, and learn to hear His Voice by listening to Him.
OKandNOWwhat 9 months ago
@OKandNOWwhat And how do you know you are not just talking to yourself? Ask Jesus (yourself) to tell you something you couldn't have known already, and I'm fairly confident you will see that you yourself don't hear "HIS" voice....just your own.
chedillychedilly1 7 months ago
@chedillychedilly1
His sheep know His Voice. You doubt He speaks because you are not of His sheep. There are many things that Jesus has told me that were beyond my personal knowledge or the knowledge of a collective consciousness.
I cannot describe blue to a blind man. Nor shall I entertain the doubts of one who says in his heart there is no God.
OKandNOWwhat 7 months ago
@OKandNOWwhat HAHA!! Well how convenient. I'm sorry, but that is a load of rhetorical nonsense. I don't doubt "HE" speaks. I fully believe that you THINK you talk to God. I'm also quite certain that you DO NOT! What I said was not about Jesus, it was about your inability to use rationality. I never said that there is no God! What the hell are you talking about! We can have a rational discussion, or you can try to sweep your lack of thoughtfulness under the rug.
chedillychedilly1 7 months ago
@OKandNOWwhat The typical Christian response. One dripping with outrageous-self aggrandizement, and pure ego. You think you have some ability to talk to God that I don't! Well. guess what, I can't talk to God and neither can you. I just happen to have my imagination under control. "One who says in his heart?" You gotta be kidding me. You are aware that the heart just pumps blood, right? So, that leaves the brain to do the saying, and my brain is saying you can't separate reality from fiction.
chedillychedilly1 7 months ago
There is no god. Amen Halleluja!
vaahtobileet 11 months ago
@vaahtobileet Don't be so sure about that.
k0smon 11 months ago
@k0smon I am sure. My only problem is that I can't prove it in any way. I have no problem with people believing in things that major religions tell them, that's human nature. When religious people (or atheists) start presenting arguments proving or disproving god's existence based on logic or laws of nature, that's what I call ridiculous. There are no such arguments for either side. If there were, I'd use them.
Oh damn, I'm ranting about god again.
vaahtobileet 11 months ago
great man of his time lets not loose hope people GOD will raise up His annointed once again bless His name
swordseller1 11 months ago
Worst thing for a preacher would be to not get paid for selling snake oil and have to get a REAL job.
knightd00b 11 months ago
Thank GOD for Leonard Ravenhill. He's in Heaven with our precious JESUS now, but he was sure a great preacher.
The world needs preachers like him NOW!
mammal46 11 months ago
Excellent whit and insight: "You know, if we'd spent as much time teaching people to pray as we'd taught the choir, we'd have set the world on fire."
treeheadnet 1 year ago
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spongiebungie 1 year ago
There should be a book called "stop reading this and read your bible"
Vanlavak 1 year ago
Praise God ! We need these True Teachers of God's Written Word now more than ever,where have they all gone to !
darizzle7 1 year ago
Crimes committed in the name of the Christian god By they fruits, you will be judged. The Inquistion, The Witchhunt, The 30 year war. The Conquistadores, The plunder and destruction of the civilizations in the Americas. The partcipation in the slave trade. the progroms against and expulsion of the Jews. The publication of the worst, racist antisemitic book. The fabrication and use of the worst torture tools ever, The worst nightmare of a preacher !!!
tallliza 1 year ago
@tallliza here sparky: want some coffee with your statistics?:
theroadtoemmaus doht org/RdLb/21PbAr/Pl/DthByAthsm.htm
EastofForever 1 year ago
@EastofForever These are not statistics, man, these are historical facts..... By they fruits you will be judged...
tallliza 1 year ago
@EastofForever you're obviously an idiot who knows nothing about the logical fallacy of overgeneralization.
This fallacy is usually used by people with an axe to grind.
You have been owned. Proceed to the nearest exit.
Oh-->and read this as you go: theroadtoemmaus doht org/RdLb/21PbAr/Pl/DthByAthsm.htm
EastofForever 1 year ago
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bamcis17 1 year ago
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@bamcis17 DONT think that u are wise enough to blurt things about viewer discretion and ur comment sucks not very interesting and ur nothing but a skeptic
jubinjibin 1 year ago
The Christian ideal has not been tried and found wanting; it has been found difficult and left untried. -GK Chesterton
EhJayJC 1 year ago
@EhJayJC What a silly quote. Christianity has been tried in all posible ways.
tallliza 1 year ago
Catholic Answers- catholic.com
EhJayJC 1 year ago
i can understand people talking wiv veir mouf full, but can't understand a thing this guy's saying
upublic 1 year ago
Every pastors needs to preach straight from the word of God and not prepared sermons. Go to the scripture and speak from that and allow the Holy Spirit to do the convicting of human conscience & heart. We don't need to hear what one desire to hear, we need to hear the truth, whether truth hurts or not. Born again christian life is a journey & learning and that is never ending, that God for that. We must take our cross and follow him.
sungmee45 1 year ago
in the end times it shall be as the times of noah and sodom, who will listen?? Noah went out and spoke to the multitude and so did Lot. no one listened.
detailplus 1 year ago
can't understand his english.
fxtrader92 1 year ago
I met Ravenhill once, in his office. He was the same guy in person that he was in the pulpit - a single-minded man. We need men like this today. Lord, bring Revival and let it begin with me.
KublahKraus 1 year ago 21
What an awesome vdeo. It just goes to show you no matter how much one does for the LORD, he never thinks he does enough. How Paul could think he hadn't done enough for JESUS is beyond me. We all need men like Pastor Ravenhill in our lives. To keep our minds focused on the real important things in life.
Sure we still need to do our jobs, raise our kids, pay our bills, but we need to always be Christ conscious. I wish all five of my children were babies again, and I could raise them all over.
mammal46 1 year ago
cont. And I wish I had a pastor like Ravenhill to teach me how to be a good Christian. Then maybe all five of my kids would be Christians instead of three out of five.
mammal46 1 year ago
@mammal46 keep praying for your kids and i will pray for them also. we are not to give up on our lost love ones for we too were lost at one time. may God answer all your prayers.
batman201ful 1 year ago
@batman201ful Thank you so much....
mammal46 1 year ago
@mammal46 Maybe if you taught you're children and disciplined them according to the Word then maybe all your kids would be Christian? Stop blaming others for you're parenting. Honour your leadership. Pray for the two children there is still a chance, don't be so quick to write them off!
sasiprapaful 11 months ago
ust who do you think you are coming off telling me I should have raised my children better? 3out 5 are still saved and love Jesus, that should say something. I've always blamed myself and do you know what yes I will blame pastors. My daughter OD at an AWANA meeting and the pastor said I don't ever want that Jezabell back in my church, maybe if he'd of shown some love of JESUS instead of acting like pharise like You Are. She might still belive in GOD. Dont judge where you havent walked.
mammal46 11 months ago
@mammal46 BOOM easy tiger! Im not telling you how to raise your children better, i could never fathom the job of a mother. I was pointing out that often the blame....actually we don't even need to go down this road. Sorry for any offence Bernadette!
sasiprapaful 11 months ago
@sasiprapaful It's okay, I'm just really sensitive about all my children and I cry every day because I know if I'd of just tried harder my other daughters would be saved too. GOD Bless you and have a wonderful week♥
mammal46 11 months ago
@mammal46 Remember that it is not our job to give people the holy spirit, only God can do such a thing! I doubt that you could do a better job then you already have telling the word, just pray that God will save your children and leave the rest to him, he loves everyone and will do what he can to save. It is their own choice if they want to take God in their arms, it's a relationship between your children and God alone. I struggle with the same thing, but we can just pray God will reach them
kiNgToMoDo 10 months ago
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77avt 1 year ago
@AmazingJesusIs I never said such a thing learn how to read buddy, also Jesus name in Arab and Farsi is Isah in Hebrew it's Yeshua
77avt 1 year ago
So funny when preachers say the same word twice (the second time with too much exasperation) lol!
MrPudster1 1 year ago
Video is broken gets to 2.14 then stops. I've tried to refresh the page, tape it forward. It won't go past 2.14. Too bad Leonard Ravenhill is one of my favourite preachers. He is awesome. We could use about 2 billion of him today.
mammal46 1 year ago
Arab pagans worshipped a moon god, that was before Islam, nowhere in the quran does it say anything about a moon god, yes Allah is the generic name for god and no it doesnt derive from moon god, it's only the stands for the god word in "moon god"
77avt 1 year ago
My favorite preacher ever!
azzurrini85 1 year ago
@rsims87 what scriptures are you reading? only pagan is you for twisting and warping the truth not the Jews, the only true name of god we know is Jesus, the rest are fabricated and you thinking you know the true name of the heavenly father is just arrogant, you need help and I will be praying for you
77avt 1 year ago
@77avt Dude, there are other languages in the world besides English. Are you saying the Apostle Peter isn't going to Heaven because he didn't call Jesus 'Jesus' in English? No! Am I going to hell because I call Him 'Him'? No! Is the person who's never heard the name 'Jesus' going to hell because they don't know English? No! Right, His name in English is Jesus, and that is what I call Him, but not the only thing. I call Him Savior, Messiah, God, Lord, Lamb, Lord Jesus, and many other things.
AmazingJesusIs 1 year ago
I have a copy of an Arabic New Testament in which God is clearly translated as Allah. Allah comes from the same root as the Hebrew words El, Eloh and Elohim, which are used in the Old Testament. Abba is Aramaic for Father, not God.
77avt 1 year ago
@77avt A New Testament bible translated into ARABIC? Saying 'allah' is God in arabic? By who?! Ain't it more or less like a criminal being appointed into investigating his own crime?
7olusegun 1 year ago
@frosbel you're clearly retarded
77avt 1 year ago
See my channel for a new vid I uploaded challenging Paul Washers heretical teachings which is wrought on by a dangerous religous spirit to doubt a child of GODS salvation. GOD bless Beloved! In Jesus name, amen.
PureGraceEvangelism 1 year ago
"I'd fire him" - I like that statement!
kornykorhorn 1 year ago
Allah translates to God in English from Arabic just like as Dio does from Italian it's just the word the word for God, and it's not a name of a God and actually Arabs use it to refer the God of the old testament after all islam is one of the Abrahamic religions yes the God of Moses, Noah, Jacob, Isaac ect...
Come on people don't spew out nonsense out your mouth go get educated and don't be an embarrassment to the Christian body
77avt 1 year ago
@77avt Allah is a title that originated from a Pagan Name, just like God and Lord, all three are pagan titles and should NOT be used for Yahuah Elohim!
rsims87 1 year ago
@rsims87 so is Elohim btw, as is EL, Elah, Jah..
insaner169 1 year ago
@insaner169 No, Elohim, El, etc. were nouns BEFORE they became Pagan names. God and Lord were pagan in origin. That is the difference. Sorry, I should have been more clear.
rsims87 1 year ago
@rsims87 can you prove these claims? ps, God and Lord are not names, they are titles.. as is Elohim (which in hebrew means simply "the mighty ones")
insaner169 1 year ago
@insaner169 Yes, I can take you back in time and let you see the origins of these words. No, I am doing the best I can with the information available to me. Why does everything have to be proven to you? Don't you care enough to investigate on your own? Prove things to yourself. Take no man's word without finding the evidence yourself.
rsims87 1 year ago
@rsims87 theres no reason to get abrasive. you were making a claim, you should be able to support it with evidence. i already have done my research, i am currently learning hebrew, and my teacher is a phd in biblical hebrew.. hence why i ask you to show how you support your claims. if you cannot support your claims you must desist from insisting on your position.
also, you didnt address my point that God and Lord are not names but titles.. and this only in the english language
insaner169 1 year ago
@rsims87 you totally missed the point, btw it's spelled Yahweh and the name was substituded for God, Lord, Khodah, Dio, Allah by the Hebrew Jews not pagans, because the divine name was not to be spoken.
The examples i gave are just the word God in different languages, and are only titles not names again do your research, then say something.
77avt 1 year ago
@77avt No it's Yahuah. Yahweh is a name for Jupiter. The "Hebrew Jews" were often times just as pagan as the heathen nations. Someone's nationality does not exclude them from being pagan. The divine name was not to be spoken do to Talmudic, religious bull crap. Yahuah said all thriough out Scripture to call on His Name, speak His Name and proclaim His Name! I never said God or Lord were names in our language, I said they ORIGINATE from pagan names. So what exactly would you like me to research?
rsims87 1 year ago
@77avt the difference is in pronunciation of allah. But the Allah/God that the muslim is different from the God of the True believers of Jesus Christ. Other meaning of allah of the muslims is moon-god.
MyJijijojo 1 year ago
@MyJijijojo wrong, arabic christians call god " Allah" its just a word that means god, nothing more.
77avt 1 year ago
@77avt , allah is not God. two different entities. allah is an idol.
frosbel 1 year ago 4
@frosbel Allah is a generic name for god and it derives from Al Ilah a moon god called "the face of the moon". When Muhamed introduced Islam he decided Al Ilah wasn't jus going to be a god but called him the one true God.
mizzickle1 1 year ago
@frosbel actually, in arabic the word for God is allah. ask an arab Christian. allah is not a specific name for the muslim false god. make sense? its like when a mormon or a jehovah's witness says they pray to God......we use the same word "God" but of course they have the wrong belief about who God is.
chriswatkinsdotcom 2 weeks ago
God has really gotten a hold on me this year and i have come to understand that intellectual christianity saves and changes no one. modern christianity focuses on the definintions of words like agape love. Gods love is not only a choice. it is true and when it is genuine feels. It is tender and gentle and full of mercy. You can only love with this kind of love if you experience this Love from God first. This is why we must teach the true gospel of grace in Jesus Christ and stop teaching the law
TheHellbinder 1 year ago
It hasn't always been easy for me to listen to a man like Paul Washer but I can say this, I love Paul Washer and I love Leonard Ravenhill. Any recording or footage of Leonard Ravenhill preaching is priceless. Thanks for sharing LaneCh.
Keruaran 1 year ago
F RELIGION
tewlive 1 year ago
I Love that quote, "Christianity is being tried, found difficult and rejected."
Amen
Lord help me to be the salt that irritates, help me to rightly divide your word and discern what is good to preach and when, to those with unbelief.
Ryno706 1 year ago 25
@Ryno706 good old g k Chesterton
ThinkCreativeTv 1 year ago
@Ryno706 Why would you want to be the salt that irritates? We should be the salt that preserves the Word of God. Matthew 5:13.
This is Clarke's commentary on the verse.
"Ye are the salt of the earth - Our Lord shows here what the preachers of the Gospel, and what all who profess to follow him, should be; the salt of the earth, to preserve the world from putrefaction and destruction."
Urfism 6 months ago
Risen1,when it comes down to it it all the same,,U worship the dam god,come on.All of it is humans tring to make sence out of what they dont understand,and everything is satanic to u belivers(U need a scapegoat,thats just human,its not a good thing but its human).I have read the bible and the satanic bible.There are alot of good things in both,but satanist dont even belive there is a "satan"its about the mind,our behaver,why we do the things we do.Good can not execst with out evil.
slappyskab 1 year ago
@slappyskab I disagree, however, you see God is a God of Light and in him there is NO darkness. You love evil and have only proved the Bible right with your words.
Just remember it is never to late to start repenting and turn away from spiritual suicide like satans bible.
Ryno706 1 year ago
NO ,THE WORST THING THAT CAN HAPPEN TO A PREACHER IS TO GET COUGHT HAVING SEX WITH A LITTLE BOY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HOW SAD IT IS. 4 MOST OF THESE ASSHOLES DONT CARE OR WORRY ABOUT INTILL THEY GET COUGHT.
slappyskab 1 year ago
@slappyskab Keep listening to the world and suffer.
Stuballs84 1 year ago
@slappyskab you are talking about satanic catholic priests. Catholicism isnt christianity
Risen1s 1 year ago
@slappyskab
I bet you don't get so upset when the abuser is a school teacher do you?
Have you considered who the victims are? The child who goes to that Church, and his or her family. What father of an abused child would not want to kill the man who did such a thing to his child? You condemn Christians without realizing you are blaming the victims, because the perpetrator used a trusting Church environment to prey upon the children of Church members.
Keruaran 1 year ago
Ravenhill can sure preach. Love his preaching.
MrRunningwolfe 1 year ago
Separating yourself (in your mind, of course, since you can't do it physically) from the rest of the world in order to be a 'follower' is a cult tactic - one of several ways to psychologically condition people.
eulercircles 1 year ago
@eulercircles i dont think every church that teaches that is a cult. its written in the Bible: 2 Corinthians 6:17 "Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you. "
Richard1979hush 1 year ago 3
@Richard1979hush Uhmmm... It's in the Bible, and that makes it non-cultish how?
eulercircles 1 year ago
@leachim04 This is a clip show. It rarely gives a balanced view.
d1600 1 year ago
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if there was a god we would all be dead now....just look at what have we done
s3t2tru 1 year ago
You christians are nuttier than squirrel food, lol.
icareg 1 year ago
I'm having a hard time understanding what this brother says.
LouieG7777 1 year ago
You know I read most of the comments up to page 8and I think most of it is about SICKENING!!! you people need to give your heart to Jesus before it's everlasting to late and yes you will burn in a devils hell if you die lost with out him!!!
Livingnthewoods41 1 year ago
I recognize this voice, but don't know the name?
HermitintheRain 1 year ago
*sarcasm on* I guess when you're that much of a pompous ass you don't need to open your Bible and actually back up what you say with Scripture. You can just hinge your doctrine on a lot of BS about how less adequate than you everyone else is. I see the love of God shining through you brother, I FEEL it. *sarcasm off*
nostaticatall 1 year ago
@nostaticatall *sarcasm on* YEAH making a judgement on a man by watching a clip show where you don't see a whole presentation, nice. *sarcasm off*
ps. He did mention what they read in the BiBle @9:28-:32.
d1600 1 year ago
POWERFUL WORDS !
NardoFree2 1 year ago
I also have trouble understanding what he has to say as he talks so much bollocks!
nodoubt2112 1 year ago
@@@!Go TEAM JESUS Go!@@@
novacrystalas 1 year ago
@novacrystalas
'Team win
Patternpop 1 year ago
yeah i can dig it man jesus rules.
willobi 2 years ago
Jesus rules indeed.
Yeshuawins144 2 years ago
i am so angry because i want to hear his sermons really bad but i cant understand alot of what of what hes saying becuz of audio problems
CaMpInGfAtKiD 2 years ago
@CaMpInGfAtKiD
Yea the audio and his accent make it hard to hear sometimes, try using headphones. Worked for me.
stixandpix1966 2 years ago
ok thanks:]
CaMpInGfAtKiD 1 year ago
@CaMpInGfAtKiD
If you enjoy Ravenhill, you will probably also enjoy, Carter Conlon and David Wilkerson. The book and movie, "The Cross & The Switchblade was about Wilkerson and his ministry to gangs. Look up a video called "Wake up Church." Powerful preaching, as it should be.
God bless you my friend
stixandpix1966 1 year ago
Alot of Preachers are spending so much time on TV and writing books, that is the only thing they have as a minister. They write so many books today and make so much money on them, that they have to keep comming up with new stuff to write in them. It's all about their newest and latest revelations, and God said and Jesus said, but then they expound so much of their own words and thinking, that God has diappeared into the fog of the books and new revelations.
1911HeadBanger 2 years ago
Yep
CharismaticBuster 2 years ago
Don't worry.. we have plenty of days left. Unless you believe a story written by two guys that lived at a place famous for shrooms
JordanKimball 2 years ago
We all need to understand the one true message of God's word.....that Jesus is the only one true way to heaven......any other will not get you there.. Get away from the desires and glimmer of the world b/c it will decieve you into leaning upon yourself and your own understanding thinking that you can find your own way....The bible warns of this
castb4u 2 years ago
Too bad this "preacher" doesn't understand that he has no way of knowing what Jesus did or didn't say. There is no "Book of Jesus" in the Bible, no first-hand accounts and no eye-witness accounts. It's all third-hand hearsay and the New Testament is so rife with centuries and centuries of changes that by the time the first Greek New Testament was published in 1516, there was no longer any way to know what any of it originally said. There are more changes in the NT than there are words!
Beastt17 2 years ago
Beast, you obviously haven't read much about this. Just about everything you've said here is laughably wrong. The New Testament was written almost entirely by eyewitnesses, and we have 10's of thousands of ancient copies of it. Get your facts straight.
YeOldLamplighter 2 years ago
YeOldLamplighter,
Why don't you get yourself comfortable, get a drink and a snack and have a little look at the facts (for a change). The only reason to believe that the Gospel of Mark might have been written by Mark (Peter's secretary), is because Papias claims Mark wrote a gospel. But he also deliberately states that it was written in Hebrew as would be expected. The document called the "Gospel of Mark" in the Bible was written in Greek, not Hebrew. But that's only the start of its troubles.
Beastt17 2 years ago
YeOldLamplighter,
The Greek text we call "Mark" was anonymous as were all of the gospels. It clearly demonstrates a lack of understanding of Jewish customs and laws. It misquotes the 10-commandments, portrays religious Jews making purchases on the sabbath, and attributes what Jews believe to be words of God, to Moses. The document has been traced to an unknown Roman convert to Christianity and was written between 60-80CE. The oldest known copies make no mention of a resurrection or ascension.
Beastt17 2 years ago
YeOldLamplighter,
There are numerous versions of the document and the oldest ones all end at 16:7 or 16:8 (the one in the Bible ends at 16:20). It didn't come to be called "Mark" until half way through the second century. One of the more interesting versions of "Mark" is the Carpocratians version in which Jesus engages in pedophilia, thought to be a virtue among that culture. Scribes added the resurrection and ascension to Mark within decades of its writing.
Beastt17 2 years ago
YeOldLamplighter,
"Matthew" and "Luke" both show unmistakable signs of using "Mark" as their basis. "Mark" contains 661-verses, "Matthew", 1068-verses and "Luke" 1149-verses. It's important to note that a full 80% of the verses in "Mark" have parallel verses in "Matthew" and 65% have parallel verses in "Luke". "Matthew" was assigned authorship by church fathers around 150CE and the document was written around 90-100CE. The Greek in "Mark" is noticeably less elegant than in "Luke" and "Matthew".
Beastt17 2 years ago
YeOldLamplighter,
"Matthew" has been traced to an unknown author in Syria. and the earliest copies of "Matthew" don't contain the first two chapters found in the copy in the Bible. That means that the virgin birth and genealogy were both later additions by scribes who were supposed to just copy the document. However, as was not uncommon, they made edits as they worked. The author of "Luke" is also anonymous but is thought to have been the same author as for "Acts".
Beastt17 2 years ago
YeOldLamplighter,
"Luke" is a compilation of "Mark", about 100 verses from a lost document known as "Q" and information obtained from "The Antiquity of the Jews" and "Jewish War" which were both written by Flavius Josephus and completed in 93CE. It is clearly not a first-hand account but an attempt to weave together multiple sources into a single work. One of the most intriguing things about "Luke" is that the author was using a damaged copy of "Mark" and this is evident in Luke 9:18.
Beastt17 2 years ago
YeOldLamplighter,
Luke 9:18 starts with Jesus who is off alone praying, then suddenly states that his disciples are with him. This is due to the missing portion of "Mark" from which "Luke" was created. The first half of Luke 9:18 comes from Mark 6:46, and the latter half is from Mark 8:27. And this is confirmed by the fact that there are multiple important events and miracles between Mark 6:46 and Mark 8:27, none of which appear anywhere in "Luke".
Beastt17 2 years ago
YeOldLamplighter,
"Luke" is dated to be written after 93CE as the information it contains from the writings of Josephus are less detailed and accurate than those found in the writings of Josephus. "John" exhibits the same referencing to the works of Josephus and thusly, is also dated to post 93CE. These are the only three writings which contain certain claims and information of the time, and as mentioned, Flavius Josephus presents the more accurate and detailed accounts.
Beastt17 2 years ago
YeOldLamplighter,
The oldest available copies of John do not contain the final chapter found in the "Gospel of John" of the Bible, in which Jesus meets with his disciples after his crucifixion. So the resurrection, ascension, virgin birth, genealogy and meeting with Jesus after his death are NOT part of the original documents. But, like ALL of the other New Testament documents, the originals have been lost. There exists not one original book of the New Testament today.
Beastt17 2 years ago
YeOldLamplighter,
And no, we don't have 10s of thousands of copies. All told, we have a bit over 5,700 New Testament manuscripts. These are cataloged in a book known as the "K-Liste" which stands for, "Kurzgefasste Liste der griechishen Handschriften des Neuen Testaments". Josh McDowell is famous for his misrepresentation in which he claims 24,000+ NT manuscripts which is purely false. You can check this with the "Center for the Study of New Testament Manuscripts" website.
Beastt17 2 years ago
YeOldLamplighter,
Most intriguing as one checks the various copies are the number of changes to be found. When John Mill was working with about 100 New Testament manuscripts in 1707, he was alarmed by the number of edits and differences. He decided to count only those which actually change the meaning of the text. When he was finished, he counted over 30,000 changes. Scholars today agree that the 5,700+ manuscripts contain literally, more changes than there are words in the New Testament.
Beastt17 2 years ago
YeOldLamplighter,
The information on the findings of John Mill can be confirmed through Wikipedia or dozens of other online sites as well as hard-copy encyclopedias. The information is correct. Among the changes are those mentioned; the resurrection & ascension, virgin birth, genealogy and meeting with disciples as well as the parable of Jesus and the adulteress (11th century addition) as well as 1st John 5:7 (10th century addition). There is NO reason to believe any were first-hand accounts.
Beastt17 2 years ago
FROM A STUDY BIBLE
"Although the first gospel is anonymous, the early church fathers were unanimous in holding that Matthew, one of the 12 apostles, was its author. But, the results of modern critical studies, in particular, those that stress Matthews alleged dependence on Mark for a substantial part of his gospel have caused some biblical scholars to abandon Mathian authorship. "Why," they ask, "would Matthew, a witness to the events of the Lord's life depend so heavily on Mark's account?"
Beastt17 2 years ago
YeOldLamplighter,
This explains the many disagreements among the gospels. Were the accounts of eye-witnesses, the details should mostly match. But they disagree on who went to the tomb, what they found, what they did, if Jesus carried his own cross, the inscription on the cross, what the two thieves said, what Jesus said, what the centurion said, when the crucifixion took place, when Jesus was born (a discrepancy of 10-years), and whether Jesus remained in Nazareth/Bethlehem or fled to Egypt.
Beastt17 2 years ago
YeOldLamplighter,
I've read a number of sources, not just the Bible or profit-evangelists like Josh McDowell. This information comes from scholars such as G. A. Wells, Richard Carrier, Bart Ehrman and others.
Your problem isn't that my information is wrong, but that it's firstly, different from what you've been lead to believe, and secondly, much different than what you WANT to believe. It is, none-the-less, correct. The New Testament is not a collection of first-hand accounts.
Beastt17 2 years ago
YeOldLamplighter,
For Reference;
(Luke 9:18) And it came to pass, as he was alone praying, his disciples were with him: and he asked them, saying, Whom say the people that I am? (KJV)
(Mark 6:46) And when he has sent them away, he departed to a mountain to pray. (KJV)
(Mark 8:27) And Jesus went out, and his disciples, into the towns of Caesarea Philippi: and by the way he asked his disciples, saying unto them, Whom do the men say that I am? (KJV)
Beastt17 2 years ago
YeOldLamplighter,
This is even more interesting when you look to the history of Desiderius Erasmus and his 1516 publication (the first), of a Greek New Testament, in which he was rushed and had to use but a singular 12th century document for his gospels, another 12th century document for epistles and a damaged copy of Revelations mixed with his own translations of the Latin Vulgate. The resulting work set the tone for western Bibles for the next 300-years including the 1611 King James Version.
Beastt17 2 years ago
Beast, Plenty of scholars would disagree with your shrill assertions/assumptions. My theologian friends recommend you read David Allen Black's "Why Four Gospels?" and "Revisiting the Synoptic Problem" to answer your "problems." Also, Eta Linnemann's "Is There a Synoptic Problem?" and "Biblical Criticism on Trial". Dr. Norman Geisler's "From God to Us" talks about the manuscript evidence. Also, Dr. Gleason Archer's "Encyclopedia of Bible Difficulties."
YeOldLamplighter 2 years ago
YeOldLamplighter,
A great many scholars have worked to achieve the demonstrability of the points I raised. And no true scholar can put forth an evidenced assertion to refute it. Shall I recommend books to you? I've read literally dozens, watched dozens of documentaries, videos, compilations, web-sites and they all cross-check. The problem is simply desire. You have a desire to believe orthodox Christian doctrine. My desire was for the truth. It wasn't what I wanted, aside from being true.
Beastt17 2 years ago
YeOldLamplighter,
I've read the work of scholars who have learned, not just Greek, but Greek of older dialects so that they could read the documents first-hand. I would recommend that your theologian friends take a little time to actually read the work of those who have hands-on experiences. I could easily recommend more than a dozen books. But nothing will help them if they don't reach objective ground before analyzing the evidence. They're ALL theists, are they not?
Beastt17 2 years ago
YeOldLamplighter,
Allow me to refresh your memory. You started by noting that I presented findings different than what you believe. So you assumed that I, "obviously haven't read much about this". I hope you can be honest enough with yourself to realize that I've read a LOT about it, likely far more than you can claim. But you're not objective. You will allow yourself to believe only what you wish to believe, true or not. So you pass your responsibility to others and yet refuted nothing.
Beastt17 2 years ago
YeOldLamplighter,
Why are there four gospels? I've read the reason in the words of Irenaeus. Have you? Have you ever performed a horizontal reading of the gospels - to isolate the disagreements? Have you read the analysis of the Greek texts which show that "Matthew" and "Luke" were copied from "Mark" and not the other way around? Your honest answers are likely "no". You simply defer to anyone willing to support what you WANT to believe. You will accept only what you have already accepted.
Beastt17 2 years ago
YeOldLamplighter,
Acquaint yourself with the difference between a demonstrable fact and an assumption. You've mislabeled my statements entirely and have done nothing to support your falsehoods. You accused me of not knowing what i was talking about, it's up to YOU to support that claim. You've failed to do so on even one account. Plenty of scholars back the statements I've made but what is of far more value, is the evidence supports them fully. You reject any truth you don't like, without cause
Beastt17 2 years ago
My oh my Beast! You have the audacity to insinuate you're coming at this with zero presuppositions?!! Good grief you're doing the very thing you accuse me of: believing what you WANT to believe. You're being a hypocrite on that point. You also have zero idea of what any of my theologian friends have read and yet you accuse them of ignorance...shame on you. I'll grant that you've done reading on it and I was wrong on that point, but you're sumarily sweeping away scholarly work I cited... bad!
YeOldLamplighter 2 years ago
YeOldLamplighter,
You're assuming I wanted to believe that there's no benevolent entity watching over mankind, that when we die, we simply cease to exist and the bad things in our life stand no chance of getting better aside from what we can do for ourselves? Why would anyone WANT to believe that. You're terribly short-sighted. I'm really not concerned with what your "theologian friends" have or haven't read. The point is, YOU know very little about the subject, yet insist I'm wrong.
Beastt17 2 years ago
YeOldLamplighter,
You cited book titles. That's it! You've done zero to attempt to explain away any of the evidence which shows that the New Testament is but a warped and distorted version of the original works, that there is no scholarly reason to assume any of it comes from first-hand eye-witnesses, that any of the authors ever even met Jesus or for that matter, that Jesus was other than a man around whom gradios stories were constructed. There isn't ONE extra-biblical miracle account.
Beastt17 2 years ago
Pish posh Beast... you're showing your ass now. Deal with the prominent scholars I cited. You're side-stepping.
YeOldLamplighter 2 years ago
YeOldLamplighter,
You're showing your cowardice and denial now. YOU haven't read either side. YOU have no clue what the issues are on either side. You only HOPE I'm wrong, so you're willing to side with anyone even suggesting there are rational arguments, even though you've never read them and have no clue what they are, if they're rational or what they're based upon. And yet you started by suggesting that *I* hadn't read, that *I* didn't know what *I* was talking about. Do your own work.
Beastt17 2 years ago
YeOldLamplighter,
You actually have the nerve to expect me to run out and buy 6-books YOU haven't read, just because you claim some "theologian" friends recommended them to you as responses for what I presented, which again HAVEN'T READ? Until you have some clue what you're talking about, don't expect me to refute arguments you can't even present. YOU claimed I didn't know what I was talking about. It's quite obvious YOU'RE the one devoid of a position of knowledge on the subject.
Beastt17 2 years ago
Beast you're making more bad assumptions and accusations. I actually have read your points and I've heard them made before. I made the very reasonable suggestion that you read scholarly refutations of what you presented, and yet you're unwilling to even read something that might prove you wrong... Have some integrity for gosh sakes. You don't have to buy the books, Get free online material of scholar Eta Linnemann. Why wouldn't you do that unless you're afraid you might be wrong?
YeOldLamplighter 2 years ago
YeOldLamplighter,
Not so fast. You made assertions... and that's ALL you've done. If you can refute the points I've made, then do so. If you can't, then learn from that. So far you're not at all shy about responding, but you're responses are completely devoid of anything but hollow claims. I didn't tell you to go read a list of books. I made my points known. Either do that same or back away realizing that you have a great deal to learn before you can hold your belief with intellectual honesty.
Beastt17 2 years ago
Not hollow at all Beast. What difference does it make whether I post refutations in chunks below say from scholar Eta Linnemann or have you go to her free online refutations. You're using a red herring. Would you like a link to her refutations of your opinions, or do you want to avoid her?
YeOldLamplighter 2 years ago
YeOldLamplighter,
I'm afraid you're simply wrong. When you make an assertion and refuse to support it, it's a hollow assertion. You seem so apprehensive that it seems you're either afraid to find out the truth for yourself, or afraid that it won't stand up to scrutiny. If you read it and then present it, you'll need to stand behind it. As is you're taking the cowardly way out. You're simply saying "go read that, there I'm right". The truth is likely that YOU'VE never read it and have no clue.
Beastt17 2 years ago
Salvation is a free gift but not all know it, including you, seemingly. You sound more like the puffed up pharisee every second, I'm willing to take a guess that you don't bring many to salvation do you now? Look, now, I'm good at belittling as well! Grow up, please. Are you in leadership at all? If so I need to pray for your congregation, as well as you.
GloryCarrier22 2 years ago
You cannot convince anybody of their need to repent if your doctrine says their is no hell. And I will say again, hell is an eternity cast AWAY from God. Do you really believe we don't have to do anything? Let's sit back and ignore pain and suffering in the world, because "we're alright, jack". No, we, the elect of God, are here to give the good news to the lost, because death has lost it's sting, that is, the FEAR of it. Your flesh will die, but the seperation that is death won't happen.
GloryCarrier22 2 years ago
By the way, one thing you must try to understand through the thick, hazy lenses of pharasitical doctrine and death, is that being civilised isn't a great thing; it's just next to indifference in satan's armoury. As a great general in God's army once said' "If satan can't get you any other way, then he'll civilise you". This compromise is a western concept of trying to please everyone, alien to people of biblical time. Germans speak German, Arabs speak Arabic, God speaks Covenant.
GloryCarrier22 2 years ago
Pagan? You are talking such nonsense, that you obviously are one that is trapped in law(doctrine), and you cannot free yourself from it. I would never say Jesus is a failure; Jesus has conquered death, but He still requires us to step into his truth. How much doctrine do you need to absorb before you dry up and blow away like dust? Truth is what you need, and truth is Jesus, revealed to us by the Holy Spirit. The Word is so simple it takes years of your theology to mess it all up!
GloryCarrier22 2 years ago
Of course I believe in hell, 'hell' is described at length in scripture, but it is, in essence, eternity away from God. Even if God has to send us , he still loves us. Find out, I implore you, about this 'Hessid' love that he has, and learn about COVENANT language before you talk of being 'kind'. God doesn't love his enemy, Satan, he just cannot be indifferent to his children. If they choose to follow the path that leads to death, he, by covenant, must take them there, no matter how it pains him
GloryCarrier22 2 years ago
What he was referring to is that 'Hessid' Love, not wishy-washy, "I'll love you if I feel like it" Love. God's love is absolute and God challenges us to choose to love no matter what, "warts and all", if you like. So many people love on the basis of "can I be bothered, today?' Jesus said "Love your enemies, pray for those who persecute you". How many of us feel like that, at any given time, or situation? Yet He will have this. Understand before you cry, "heretic!". Love isn't Lukewarm - ever!
GloryCarrier22 2 years ago
nope people has been the number one murder u dumb person think! man think!
goldbergthe 2 years ago
I'm suggesting Jesus wasn't real. Neither was the talking snake, donkey, whale taxis, generation incest, an 8000 year old earth... I'm so over all the guilt and duress shackling modern day progress b/c of a antiquated bronze and iron age belief system. Unacceptable
brianbgood 2 years ago
apparently your not over it like you say, or why do you feel the need to come here and post on a christian video? there are plenty of other Godless and progressive things that might interest you.
nonuser25 2 years ago
Are you stating as a matter of fact that you don't think Jesus was real? If you stand by your previous statement below: "I'm so tired of all the emotional pleading without any discernable evidence," Then may I present some discernable evidence from early SECULAR HISTORY: Tacitus, Lucian, Suetonius, Pliny, Thallus, etc, talk about Jesus as a real, objective figure. If you want more info then let me know.
shemeved 2 years ago
hey brian ppl cannot handle the truth so let the fool continue to give their money to idiots why they struggle
nappyg1 2 years ago
True, we can just let these people continue to fall victim to religion, but we should at least show them the truth and evidence against this crap once. You can't convert most of these stubborn believers, but once they learn the truth, they are forced to remember it every time they read their crappy scriptures and pay real money to these charletons.
PR13STG0RD0 2 years ago
yea i know ppl refuse to seek the truth i am jus worried about the children cuz most children has fools for parents
nappyg1 2 years ago
We really should be. We have entire generations whoa re supposed to surpass the previous ones in intelligence who are being held back by the imposed ignorance of religion. Just look at the middle east. They are practically bronze age over there. We have the same here in America with the evangelical idiots. Only instead of bronze age palestine, they want us stuck in McCarthy era 1950's.
PR13STG0RD0 2 years ago
100% right. Did you hear the beginning of this vid? "the worst thing that can happen to a preacher is to become civilized"? That means they prefer to be uneducated, stupid, insane, ignorant , or willfully lie to people for profit. Religion is a plague that needs to be stomped out.
PR13STG0RD0 2 years ago
What you have just said is the reason that China is killing christians, and the same reason that the Soviet union murdered millions of believers.
You have just joined the side of those who have committed atrocities around the globe for the last 100 yrs in the name of "stopping religion".
preson777 2 years ago
Oh please. Religion has been the number one murderer and war monger ever. BIllions killed in the name of something they cannot prove and isn't even worth fighting over. The spread of one lie over another? It's definitely worht protecting myself and my family from the spread of imperaialist lies that require people to lay down their individuality and freedom for whose "invisible sky-god" exists. Why don't you silly people just grow up?
PR13STG0RD0 2 years ago
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Hismailservice 2 years ago
Very Good video!! Thank you for sharing.
Christians we need to be on our knees before Jesus we need to get ourselves right and show the world Christ through us!
Living for Jesus is what it is all about!!
cfactsrfacts 2 years ago 6
@cfactsrfacts though shall worship no other God but Adonai. Jesus tells you that the Father is the holy one....Why do you say " we need to be on our knees before Jesus"
nyakio123 1 year ago
jesus came and for 30 years he did nothing
not a sermon not a miracle not a movement just stayed in Galalie and made a living he finally reached the time of his life when he would become a Rabi and receive his commission then he went to a wedding and said to his mother IT IS NOT MY TIME but his mother forced him to honor her and obey to make the water into wine. Then he went about doing miracles and told them TELL NO ONE but they did tell and the people swarmed about him.
reconorder 2 years ago 2
HIS WAYS ARE NOT OURS but we force him to move mountains for us
in the year 70ad as a sign to the ISAC that they had lost G()D the temple was taken and destroyed but it did not have the ark it was an empty tomb. then in 635 ad Ishmael took the temple mount and placed an abomination on it to show the Christians who had it that the should put their love in the creator and not the creation
then in 1967 the JEWS took Jerusalem but not the temple for it was not TIME then in 2009 abomination
reconorder 2 years ago
I'm a Calvinist,but Paul's right,they are so civilized in some cases that they are called the frozen chosen.
TheWitnis 2 years ago
Lo! ALLAH(the only One & Only God/Lord of mankind & universe) INSPIRED THEE (MOHAMMED pbuh) as WE inspired NOAH and the PROPHETS after him, as WE inspired ABRAHAM and ISHMAEL and ISAAC and JACOB and the tribes, and JESUS and JOB and JONAH and AARON and SOLOMON and as we inspired unto DAVID the PSALMS; = & messengers WE have mentioned unto thee before & messengers WE have not mentioned unto thee; and ALLAH SPAKE DIRECTLY UNTO MOSES; = The Holy Quraan, IV,163 -164.
hekk100 2 years ago