you dumb bitch..that shit causes infection and THE BIBLE...SAYS YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO DO THAT ON BOYS...BUT U DONT EVEN BELIEVE JESUS WAS HERE SO GO SCRATCH!! EW YOU SONS PEE PEE IS GUNNA BE WEARING A TURTLE NECK stupid
I am so glad that I do not believe in talking snakes or invisible people that fly around in the sky like my dumbass Mom believes. I am happy knowing that all of my future children will be safe from harm and all of that happy horseshit that people dream up and write in a fictional book. LOL!
Thank you! You are a hero to me. Seriously, I wish my Mom had more respect for my body. It is good to know that more people are becoming informed about this topic and how terrible this procedure is.
Beautifully delivered and concise public service announcement for the humane treatment of America's boys. This should be running on TV stations nationally and several times a day.
Love it! Another great point about an intact man that you did not mention, is the extra pleasure for a woman! The male's foreskin serves as a natural stimulus for the clitoris. Perhaps this is the REAL reason behind the ancient supporters of this barbaric tradition, to keep women from experiencing the pleasures of natural stimulation? My son and yours will grow up grateful that we allowed them to have the freedom of choice for their bodies, instead of treating them like cattle or property!
I love your choice! You can buy him some onesies like "i am happy anteater", "my body -my desigion", etc :) My nephew was mutilated at birth, and he has sever complications now :(
The soft mucosa of the inner foreskin produces plasma cells,which secrete immunoglobulin antibodies,and antibacterial and antiviral proteins such as the pathogen killing enzyme called lysozyme.All of the human mucosa (the linings of the mouth,eyelids,vagina,foreskin and anus)are the body's first line of defense against disease.This benefit of the foreskin could be one possible explanation why intact men are at lower risk of chlamydia and other sexually transmitted diseases.
Totally right about the deviance. They also masturbate more if theyre circumcised. I'm circumcised, but I recently started covering my penis head as much as possible and after about 2 weeks, i have regained a TON of sensitivity. It used to take me hours to masturbate but now I can get it done in 10 minutes and it feels way better. Its much less of a waste of time now. Seriously. Nobody should have to take hours to get off. Its unnatural.
I wish my mother was as nice as you. Instead she had to have a moyl come over cut me because my parents are Jewish & in order for her to avoid feeling too guilty for not doing it & she was in another room when I cried my heart out & got so much cut off that my penis curves downward when erect, its over half covered with hairy scrotal tissue & it takes too long to get off. Shame on Judaism!!
@CutDicksRSmallNUgly Yes. At first she laughed & thought I was talking about the "pain of being born;" she thought male organ mutilaiton was just part of being born. Then she got very angry and defensive. Now sometimes I can discuss the problem and sometimes discussing it makes her too angry at me for mentioning it.
@lyutsin21 I'm Jewish according to herritage. My parents didn't know there was such a thing as not circumcising & if they knew better they would still have had to do it to feel like they did the "right thing," as they angrily explained to me, & they still will not admit this abuse is wrong. They aren't inherantly evil, just the typical negligent parents. This abuse needs to be illegal.
Circumcision saves lives. Setting emotion aside this medical procedure has saved millions of lives and is being performed in Africa as a major HIV prevention tool, cutting HIV by 65 to 70%. the increase in HIV and AIDS in younger people is due to the fact that circumcision rates in the US are dropping. just google hiv circumcision and you will see the facts. the cost to society of not circumcising their sons will be greater HIV rate for the next generation. Circumcise and save a life!
You have no right to criticize other parents who have circumcised the sons. It is their decision. If you don't agree with it, keep that to yourself. Their is no proof that being circumcised effects males sexual feelings. How would you know anyways? People always say stuff like "it's mutilation, it's like chopping off someones ear." Well guess what, there is no extra skin on your ear. If you don't agree with it, then don't circumcise your son, and go on with life.
@justy2395 , there is no extra skin on the ear, and there is no extra skin on the penis either. We have every right to criticise parents who circumcise their sons when their decision is based on ignorant observations and beliefs like yours. The foreskin is not an extra skin. Many men who have done later in life said there is a change for the worse. For some reason, you have your own agenda and refuse to believe them.
@justy2395, rather, YOU breach basic ethics by giving yourself the right to cut off healthy tissue (foreskin) from a non-consenting minor. Only control-freak parents subject a son to unnecessary circumcision, treating his penis as if it belonged to them. Apart from Jews/Moslems, routine circumcision is only common in America. The British stopped doing it 60 years ago. A mother with normal maternal instinct wouldn't surrender her perfect baby for painful penile cutting.
i LOVE you!! Thank you for being a voice of reason, compassion, and humanity. I hope God blesses me with a woman who thinks like you. I dont hate anybody who cuts because I believe 70 to 80 percent of women do it out of ignorance or brainwashing. I can sympathize if you do it for religion, but for hygene or even worse, aesthetics, it is horrible and soo misguided. We must educate people and open their eyes, especially women who are in control of this!
I got cut 5 years ago when I was 20 and so far I haven't noticed any decrease in sensitivity, but to each their own. I am sure some people feel a difference. I guess it is like pepsi or coke. There is a some difference, but they still both taste good and I can't really tell the difference.
@PungiFungi I am kind of confused by your question. If there is no decrease in sensitivity that seems like a reason to consider it; not discard doing it.
Why do other people do it? I don't know everyone is different. Some people do it for culture or religion. Some people like the way it looks. Some people do it to avoid a smegma build up... That is like saying why do people get GMC trucks vs Chevy trucks if they both use the same amount of gas. I like how it looks better so I got it done.
@MacHead31, if you were circumcised at 20, there was probably some sort of medical reason. Well over 85% of adult circumcisions are in response to a foreskin problem (most often phimosis). However, these men's (and your) testimony on circumcision's effect on penile function is IRRELEVANT to the vast majority of intact men (such as myself) who have NORMAL, HEALTHY foreskin that we enjoy, and wish to keep.
Testimony from men circ'd as adults does not justify cutting healthy foreskin off babies!
@MacHead31, I didn't claim you said "babies should be circumcised"!
Your recent Youtube comments ("Jewish women against circumcision") expose you trivialising infant circumcision. Specifically, Enofrisk says: "Every ADULT has the right to choose if they want genital surgery. Children need legal protection.." YOU retort: "Funny. I don't remember giving consent for spanking when I was bad as a kid..."
A stupid analogy from you: infant circumcision implies permanent removal of healthy tissue.
The comment I made there was just stating the fact that we don't choose all things in life. We don't pick who our parents are, where we live, ect... AND we don't pick if we are cut or not as a baby. Did you pick not to be cut a a kid? NO. That was my point.
No, I did not pick circumcision as a kid. AND THAT'S WHY MY PARENTS HAD NO RIGHT TO PICK UNNECESSARY, RISKY GENITAL SURGERY FOR ME! In England (and Europe), it would be hard for parents to even find a urologist willing to cut off healthy tissue from a baby, because it is UNETHICAL to do it!
Very few of us are circ'd over here. We're not like the retarded USA, half of whom believe Earth was created 6,000 years ago (and dinosaurs lived among men).
Then why did you say this "Testimony from men circ'd as adults does not justify cutting healthy foreskin off babies!"
Please make a claim you would like to challenge me on and I will tell you if I agree or not. If I don't agree I will give my argument. Otherwise, stop making many claims all at once.
@MacHead31, it's time you refrained from claiming that I claimed that you claimed something. Your comments just get silier (not necessarily following from your being an American). I only claim what is rightfully or legally mine, and advise honourable people to do likewise. I tend to comment to clarify possible misunderstandings, or offer my views.
As for believing Earth was created 6,000 years ago and Homo sapiens lived with dinosaurs, sorry, THAT belief IS retarded! And yes, I do claim that.
@psandbergnz Look.. I am not for cir... I am also not against it. I would like to see rational people make the decision for themself. If your cut I highly recommend considering restoring (I am not a supporter of the TLC tugger- it is a horrible device and Ron Low is a moron- Look into the DTR. That guy is great). ALSO if your uncut look into getting cut. Do your research. I can list the top reason I hate hearing from BOTH sides of this argument and I can tell you why I think they are bogus.
1. Decrease senitivity- Don't cherry pick the info. Most studies show no difference. When doctors say "there could be a relation" that is a strong statement and is not weak as most people think. A theory in sci is not like a theory in modern convo terms.
2. You lose the moveability of the penis.- Yes true, but not that much is lost and the some is lost can be restored. If it isnt hard to clean it isn't hard to add lube.
@MacHead31, most of your arguments seem grounded in common sense, but your statment on penile sensitivity is insignificant here. To repeat: MOST men circumcised as adults (over 85%) do so in response to DEFECTIVE foreskin (e.g. phomosis) that may have made sex painful. Removal of abnormal foreskin is not likely to impair sex. But that is irrelevant to men (like me) who have HEALTHY foreskin which we enjoy! So what's your point?
NB. "Tight" circumcisions leave very little penile motility.
>>To repeat: MOST men circumcised as adults (over 85%) do so in response to DEFECTIVE foreskin (e.g. phomosis)<<
I agree and that's great, but who cares what other people do. Do what you want just give it some thought. You have a healthy foreksin awesome. You said you like it.. awesome. Keep it. My point is to think about what you want. You seem to like your foreksin, so I guess you should keep it. All I said was that I got cut and I like it and it is honestly not all that differ
@MacHead, "Intactivists" are NOT against the right to choose circumcision on oneself! Your subjective anecdotal evidence should not be used to justify routine infant circumcision (under dscussion!). Men like you who choose circumcision out of dislike for their foreskin are similar to women choosing labiaplasty (quite common). Their testimony would not justify routine labiaplasty of daughters.
Moreover, you could plan/individualise it to suit your personal taste (high/low, tight/loose cut).
@psandbergnz >>Your subjective anecdotal evidence should not be used to justify routine infant circumcision (under dscussion!).<< Why do you keep going back to this? I said it isn't justifiable.
The point is you don't choose everything in life; for example, you don't pick who your parents are or where you live, but everyone has the right to change where they are. Someone maybe Cut/Uncut now, but if they want to be Cut/Uncut tomorrow is their decision.
@psandbergnz In regards to: We're not like the retarded USA
Stop buying our iPods, Macbooks, and iPhones then. Saying someone else is retarded because you don't share the same viewpoint as them really just shows the unintelligence of yourself.
@MacHead31, regarding iPods etc.: the people who INVENTED the electronics are, in my opinion, cleverer than the people who own the companies that depend on selling them.
1. HIV prevention for babies- If a baby has HIV the parents need to see a doc and talk. This is not a reason to do it. Also they have condoms, but this is still a pro to consider it for SOME.
2. So the child will look the same as his peers. - I have never seen another males penis in high school, maybe there are exceptions, but no one really knows what everyone elses penis looks like
3. Health benifits- Yes, you can be healthy with skin.
@MacHead31, I was not done and will never get it done because I know that removing my foreskin will lead to the desensitization of my sexual organ. I think this is a more serious issue than buying a car and I seriously question the motives of those who does for it aesthetic purposes. As for smegma build up, take a bath. Again, for someone who claim to have it done later in life, you expressed very little knowledge of your own foreskin and its function.
@MacHead31 , and I won't because the pros is only in theory (you just MIGHT avoid certain diseases and cancer) whereas the cons are very real (it will become dried and desensitized, no ands, ifs or buts).
@MacHead31 , but we are not talking about evolution are we? If leaving you body the way it is unmodified because there is nothing wrong with it to begin with is moronic, I guess it takes one to know one, huh?
@PungiFungi No we are not talking about evolution specifically. We ARE talking about what a theory is though and evolution is just that, so to say something in science is only a theory shows what a jackhole you are.
@MacHead31, the fact that you have to resort to calling me jackhole is a typical response and tactic from pro-circ people whose arguments for circumcision have been shot down. In other words, you are convincing nobody.
@PungiFungi Yeah and the other reason someone would be called a jackhole is because they are ignorant, which I think you are. Any argument you want to make I would destroy because you are in fact a jackhole.
@MacHead31 , you have yet to destroy any of my arguments. You are the one comparing to cutting off a part of your body to buying a car. Ignorant indeed.
@MacHead31 , your analogy is relevant. It shows a blatant disregard for a part of your body that you so casually got rid of, hence I seriously question if what you claim you have done at 25 and with no loss of sensation is the truth. If you were telling the truth, you wouldn't need to resort to call me a fucking moron or a jackhole.
@PungiFungi No it is not. I can view getting cut as how I see fit. You don't have to agree with it, therefore it is irrelevant. The bigger issue is if there is a loss in sensitivity. Which there is not. Your a moron because you fail to do your research.
@MacHead31 , then tell me, how a penis keep its sensitivity once the foreskin has been removed and now it is exposed to the air and to clothing? And you know what, I have done my research. Any man with a foreskin can pull it back and simulate being cut for a day. And you know what happens, it get dried and rough. I have done it. If you had a foreskin as you claim, you would know that. So in other words, you are lying. Again name calling is what you are reduce to doing.
@MacHead31 , and the overwhelming testimony from men who tells the truth about circumcision is that there is a loss of sensitivity. I don't need to do any research, it is simple common sense. Expose a sensitive area to constant stimuli, it became desensitized. It is like 1 + 1 is 2. DUH.
@MacHead31 , as I expected. Nothing left to say but "LMAO". People reading this is really laughing at you. Keep on talking, please, as it continue to expose your own ignorance and lies and as far as I see here, nobody is being convinced by you. You are in good company, some of the weirdest things pro-circ people like you have said includes : "I am proud that both my boys have nice sexy circumciusion scars".
@MacHead31 , or better yet, when they know I have tear down all their arguments, they go: " I'm not gonna talk you anymore!", or in your case: "your f%king moron." Please, get a pair of balls and spell it out. I guess they removed them too along with your foreskin.
@MacHead31 , and since you are applying to medical school, you are going to be in for a rude awakening. Medical authorities, including those in the US, are no longer recommending circumcision. You of all people should know that. I guess this is not your field, for someone who is so ignorant about the function of his own body. You should thus stop wasting your time and think of something else.
@MacHead31 , then answer my question, how does a circumcised penis keeps its sensitivity once the foreskin has been removed? You were too busy talking about doing research and calling me moron. Again, please avoid medical school. In the miraculous event that you do get in, you'll flunk.
@MacHead31 , perhaps you should pick up a medical book before applying to medical school. We feel due to pressure and circumcised penises like your needs more pressure to feel. And the comparisons about war vet amputees...I don't need to lose an arm or a leg to know I'd rather keep them. Once again, you can't answer my question because you are lying. Come back when you can answer my question without resorting to name calling and deflecting to some other non-issue.
@MacHead31 , we are not talking about elephants here. You cannot give me the info because you have none. You are another one, the moment I ask for information you try to deflect and refuse to answer. Again, I don't need to do any research in order to retain a body part that I was born with. If people like you are admitted to medical school, we are in deep serious trouble.
@MacHead31 , as I said, if you can't answer in plain simple language and tell people to do their reseach mean you have no answer at all. Since you keep saying "do your research", what am I researching for anyway? I can't wait for your answer. This is going to be good.
First I will address the issue that removing nerves from the penis DOES NOT decrease sensitivity.
We feel due to pressure.
P=Force/Area (related to this equation is..)
Nerves feeling = Pressure / Area
If I remove part of an area on the penis the same amount of pressure will still be required to stimulate the penis as before because the pressure to area ratio doesn't change, even though some area (x) on the penis is gone.
@MacHead31, first of all, you are comparing biological nerve endings to chemicals. They are totally different and the principles do not apply, as any medical professional will tell you. And second, whether or not there are more nerves and less nerves is ultimately irrelevant. Circumcision leads to the densitization of the penis because the foreskin is no longer there to protect it from constant outside stimulus. All the nerve endings there will no you no good if they can't feel anything.
@MacHead31 , I am claiming that circumcision decreases sensitivity of the penis, it is something that I have done by simply retracting my foreskin (any intact man can tell you) and have heard the testimony of men who have it done later in life. In any case, you have yet to anwer my question. Perhaps you should do your own research about how the foreskin actually function before coming here making false claims about having it done only a few years ago. It keeps you from sounding dumb.
@PungiFungi Do you see the problem with your argument? It is subjective. Any cut male can tape his remaining skin in place over the glans and say, 'wow it feels the same.' That would be just as bad as what your saying. What question did I not answer? I know the function of the foreskin I had one about 5 years ago! I should be the ultimate subjective matter. Not your ignorant ass.
@MacHead31 , excuse me, don't talk about problems with my argument when you compare nerve endings to the concentration of laundry detergents and elephants. And I have done my research. I have pulled my foreskin back and as a result of exposing the tip of my penis to constant stimuli, it became irritated and God knows what will happen years down the road. Do your research about foreskins before claiming you have a circumcision done 5 years ago.
@MacHead31 , actually you will be laughed out of any medical school if you compare human nerves to laundry detergent. Practice what you preach, DO YOUR RESEARCH. I have done mine.
@PungiFungi Go back and reread what I said. I said it was similar based on how to calculate feeling sensitivity, pressure, and concentration. Laundry detergent is a chemical concentration. Now go learn something and don't come back until you do.
@MacHead31 , I reread it and it is a bunch of bullshit. Again, if you want to go to medical school, at least have some working knowledge of a part of your own body. DO YOUR RESEARCH.
@PungiFungi Maybe it is bull shit to you because you don't understand it, but to the EDUCATED population it is not. If anyone needs to show evidence in this argument it is you, because you are the one going against what every science documented work states.
Your the equivalent to some loser who sits at home and says evolution is a lie. If you going to make claims that go against what science says then show your evidence!
@MacHead31 , and every scientific research had shown that circumcision leads to the desensitization of the penis, and none of them cited elephants and laundry detergents. Again, practice what you preach. For someone who claimed to have it done later in life, you show an extreme level of ignorance of your own body part. Which means you are lying or trying to convince yourself that you have made the right decision.
@PungiFungi Do you have the education level of a 5 year old? Elephants and laundry detergent is an analogy I used to compare nerves and how they work. 95% of the science research shows no difference, you can not deny this and if you do you haven't research much.
Why do you say I am ignorant because I don't agree with you? If it is fair for you to say 'I pulled my foreskin back and my penis was less sensitive' Then if should be equally as fair for me to say the opposite.
@MacHead31 , as for laundry detergent, take away a bit does not reduce the concentration of the remaining detergent, but as a whole, it will create less suds. Again, it doesn't take a 5 year old to know that if something was born with a protective skin, take away the protection and guess what you end up with? Simple common sense. Again, you have yet to explain adequately how an exposed penis kept its sensitivity. First you evade the question, then you compare laundry detergents.
@PungiFungi >>as for laundry detergent, take away a bit does not reduce the concentration of the remaining detergent, but as a whole, it will create less suds<< LMAO... Go do the experiment and tell me your results.
@MacHead31 , take note in science class. Men are born with a foreskin. Thus I don't need to justify nor give a reason why men should retain it. The burden of proof is on you brainwashed and ignorant people to show why it should be removed, and so far, none of your ilk have proven anything.
@PungiFungi Anytime someone makes a claim the burden of proof is on them. Stop drinking the kool-aid. Even the AMA agrees with me, so you working against the odds of creditable scientist.
@MacHead31 , no, the AMA do not agree with you. No medical organization recommend circumcision. Stop drinking the cool-aid to believe that the foreskin is a useless flap of skin. How sad that men like you are lead to believe that. I don't need to do research to retain a part of my body that I was born with and from personal experience, provide a vital function in my sexuality.
@MacHead31 , and please, stop talking in your faux-medical scientific gibberish to pass off as being more intelligent than you are. If you can't figure out that men are born with a foreskin and it serves a protective function , thus comprehend simple common sense, then please, don't apply for medical school. You'd be wasting your time.
@PungiFungi Dude you just need to go and commit suicide, because the earth needs more intelligent people. Don't even bother taking another breathe. Your also born with pubic hair after puberty. Does that mean you need it?
@MacHead31 , again, comparing hair that will grow back as oppose to a body that do not? Your tactics are just like those criminals at Enron. Like them, you can't defend or explain your position in a clear and concise language but rather rely on trying to confuse people with jargons and to make it seem like they are somehow not intelligent or informed as you are to understand what you are talking about.
@PungiFungi I compared it to hair to show that we don't have to keep things "nature or god" gives us. Mankind has done things WAY better than god or nature. The fact that foreskins do not grow back can be an advantage for some who do not want it.
>seem like they are somehow not intelligent or informed as you< Then don't take my word for it use pubmed or webmd for yourself. Do you own research. Just go to creditable scientific studies.
Cir DOES reduce the risk of HIV; no way around that one.
@MacHead31 , take note in science class: Hair grows back, foreskin do not. And take another note: if circ reduce risk of HIV, the US should be relatively free of HIV infections but instead we have a higher rate than relative UNCIRC Europe. And I dare you to have unprotected sex with an infected partner. You wouldn't, would you. So you get circ only to wear a condom ANYWAY. Please, I already see that for you, medical school is a waste of time.
@PungiFungi Go get a pen and paper and get ready to take notes:
Where a virus is populated the most doesn't tell anything about who/why/how the virus is able to attack. We see this in evolution and evolution is my evidence to explain your question.Just because a virus is populated more in the US doesn't say anything about the infected individuals & why they were attacked by the virus.The rate of change is evidence for my case, NOT where it is populated. I can give more ex of this if you like.
@MacHead31 , get a pen and paper and a brain: laundry detergent are not comparable to human nerves. And as for evolution, we evolved a foreksin for a reason and we wouldn't have one if it doesn't serve a function.
@MacHead31 you're just so incredibly.. intelligent. After all, if we removed children's lips they'd be sooo less likely to get oral herpes. And CLEARLY, you must ALSO be advocating removal of the female inner labia and clitoral prepuce, because that substantially removes what MUST to you be non-necessary mucousal tissues which would only increase the surface area a virus could infect on a woman, leading to loss of life.
@MacHead31 , LOL, another pro-circ nutcase reduced to this when all their arguments have been shot down and proven wrong. It always comes down to this. Just like Joefriendly, Sjbeacher, Diehardsweetheart.
@MacHead31 , I wouldn't call them evidence, and they are not cool either. At least I am not dumb enough to compare foreskin to hair or laundry detergent. At least my genital are intact, and you are talking about something you have no knowledge of except heresay from others like you who are desperately deluding yourselves.
@PungiFungi At least I am not too dumb to understand extensive and intensive properties. If you like to continue a discussion with me feel free to drive to Louisiana and we can have a debate and publish it on youtube. You can make a claim and I will show you evidence of how your wrong with all my science books from around the world. Until you have a knowledge of human anatomy and physiology, statistics, and evolution your opinions are POINTLESS to me and everyone else.
@MacHead31 you said "At least I am not too dumb to understand extensive and intensive properties."
Why do you do this? You're trying to browbeat the other. Physics and the properties of matter have no bearing here, to this particular discussion. If you want to have a full discussion of the matter of forced male circumcision I'll take part.
@eident9 I do not agree with "forced male circumcision" but I do believe there are some benefits and hardly any cons to being cut.
Your jumping into the conversation kind of late, so you missed out why I talked about extensive and intensive properties. If you want to know why I talked about that I can explain why in another comment.
Honestly, it isn't so much physics; it is more chemistry and PungiFungi is not understanding the chemistry of nerves and how to calculate sensation from # of nerves.
@MacHead31 Ok, we have a dialog. We agree that forced male circumcision is wrong. We probably don't agree on some other things, but we can discuss.
You said you believe there are some benefits and hardly any cons to being cut. I disagree. Unless you're advocating removal of male foreskin and female clitoris there's little room to speak there. The same fine touch nerves found in the clitoris are found only in the anterior and inner foreskin of males.
@eident9 Ok I will address the issue of female to male cir, but that is where you went with your comment. Ok.The male foreskin and the clitoris are NOT homologous structures, so it is unfair to compare to the two. What is homologous is the clitoral hood and the foreskin.
Any time someone makes a claim it is THIER responsibility to show evidence of their claim. Therefore, I hold the burden of proof of the following claims:
@MacHead31 It's my understanding that the male glans and clitoral glans have little if anything in common. The female prepuce does not contain fine touch nerves, though it is in ways a mechanical analogue to the foreskin (mechanical, not nerve analogue). The female clitoris reportedly has roughly 8,000 fine touch nerve receptors, which are not present in the female prepuce. The male prepuce, being larger than than the clitoris has roughly 20,000 fine touch nerves, and yet none in male glans
@eident9 Because I can not type a much as I would like on comments you can email me if you want a longer discussion. I can also show my evidence to you in email form with website that support my claims.
@MacHead31 The female and male prepuce are *not* nerve analogues. Our fine touch nerves are in different places. Female prepuce doesn't have the fine touch nerves, the clitoris does. In males the fine touch nerves are found *only* in the anterior and inner foreskin.
@eident9 If you want to have a long conversation with me then please do it in email form. I do not want to have to chase down all your responses in comment form.
@MacHead31 Mac I hear you but that isn't fair.. you've put a lot out there in advocating male circ, in public. We have to do this in public. I don't mean offense but I won't back off. If you find flaws in my statements please bring them to my attention. I'm not perfect, but I am not lazy in research.
@MacHead31 I'd like you to prove that a male's fine-touch nerves are found anywhere other than the anterior and inner foreskin. This does NOT include the tail end of those nerves being caught up in the circ scar. We're talking fully whole males.
@eident9 Ok and at the same token I would like for you to prove they are there. In regards to cir though if these fine touch receptors are found in the inner foreskin it doesn't matter because the inner foreskin isn't removed in cir. Meissner's corpuscles are found in the inner foreskin (again this is not removed) and to my knowledge are not found or have not been found yet in the outer foreskin
We do find meissner's corpuscles in the palms of our hands and that can be associated with fine touch
@eident9 The area between the scar and glans is the inner foreskin, if that is not inner foreskin, please tell me what that part of the penis that is called. If you like I can show you evidence that it is indeed inner foreskin. Just ask for the evidence and I will show you.
@MacHead31 you MASSIVE FUCKING RETARD that band of scar tissue we all have between the glans and final scar line is NOT inner foreskin. Inner foreskin is mucousal and destroyed in MGM. Let's see your evidence girl.
@eident9 Why don't you tell me what the skin is called between the glans and the scar. All you said what it is not but you have not said what it is. Look in your email for the evidence. I can not post websites in comments, youtube will not allow it.
@MacHead31 You idiot! Every male can tell you the skin of an intact male is redoubled and fused to the glans at birth. Redoubled? means it's rolled over twice, attached at the sulcus and doubled over the glans. BOTH layers of skin are COMPLETELY removed in male circ. What's left is (if you want to call it something) a 1-inch wide scar where half the skin of the penis used to be. There is no mucousal tissue left.
@eident9 It is physically impossible to remove both layers at the same time. You will be left with no skin. You clearly do not even know what cir is, so your the one who needs to be educated.
@MacHead31 You dumb bitch, saying "It is physically impossible to remove both layers at the same time. You will be left with no skin". The fused skin is first torn away then cut. Watch a fuckng vid cunt.
@eident9 If your going to start with insulting claims this conversation is done, because it seems like you don't even care about what is true or false you just want to believe what you think is morally ok.
There are scientific beliefs, moral beliefs, and personal beliefs. Your letting your moral beliefs conflict with your science beliefs.
@MacHead31 OH MY GOD! You DO realize that we as a nation took a stance against ANY form of FGM years ago? AND YET YOU DON'T GIVE A DAMN ABOUT MALE CHILDREN. worthless piece of shit.
@eident9 If that is how you are going to act this conversation is now done. I tried to show you my evidence but you just didn't want to listen to it. The World Health Organization agrees with me and every other nationally medical association, so your opinions do not matter. The fact is this: More people would be dead right now if it wasn't for cir due to HIV. I have STRONG evidence for this claim, but if your going to be ignorant in your ways it is a waste of time to show it to you.
@MacHead31 Umm, moron, the World Health Organization opposes FGM while supporting MGM for one reason.. male foreskin is bought and sold at a premium by companies like Coriell, and then farmed out for stem cells for hundreds of thousands of dollars per foreskin. And what you're talking about is WHO's statements that male circ prevents HIV. Did they do same study for mutilated women. Would you tell your circ'd son not to wear a condom because they said his circ prevents aids?
@eident9 It is a good thing condoms are around, because not only do they prevent HIV, but they also prevent unwanted pregnancy. Everywhere in the world there are no more unwanted pregnancies because of condoms. Wow you intelligence is just so awesome!
@MacHead31 NOW you're talking. Condoms, male and female versions, or male condoms coupled with female measures like sponges and film, are the only way to protect against unwanted pregnancy and STD's.
@MacHead31 Funny, didn't see you show any evidence, even when you said tell me what you needed to prove. But TELL ME what evidence YOU need you need, with your little protected butt, while males are cut round the clock.
@eident9 >Funny, didn't see you show any evidence, even when you said tell me what you needed to prove. But TELL ME what evidence YOU need you need, with your little protected butt, while males are cut round the clock.<
LMAO dude I don't know what the hell you just said. Go take an english class. You made the claim that all inner and outer foreskin is removed during cir. Now show me what you said is true. Show evidence of what type of skin remains after cir.
@eident9 , the only evidence MacHead can come up with is nonsense like extensive and intensive properties and laundry detergent. You know people like him are bullshitting when they can't answer in plain coherent English. Then again, he refused to answer me first by saying "do your research'". Then the poor dear no doubt dug through his outdated medical books and gave me an answer comparing human nerves to the concentration of detergents. What a loser.
Oh my god you are not even male are you? I've NEVER seen anyone but a female show this much absolute ignorance! Fuck you're a retarded self-aborbed GIRL aren't you?
Thank goodness my mom was as cool as you. Ha!, I feel really proud of my mom for actually thinking outside of the box. :D
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i want to be circumcised
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you dumb bitch..that shit causes infection and THE BIBLE...SAYS YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO DO THAT ON BOYS...BUT U DONT EVEN BELIEVE JESUS WAS HERE SO GO SCRATCH!! EW YOU SONS PEE PEE IS GUNNA BE WEARING A TURTLE NECK stupid
WeskerHouse013 1 month ago
thanks cool mom
ajaderecio 1 month ago
I am so glad that I do not believe in talking snakes or invisible people that fly around in the sky like my dumbass Mom believes. I am happy knowing that all of my future children will be safe from harm and all of that happy horseshit that people dream up and write in a fictional book. LOL!
Brilliantatheist 1 month ago
Thank you! You are a hero to me. Seriously, I wish my Mom had more respect for my body. It is good to know that more people are becoming informed about this topic and how terrible this procedure is.
Brilliantatheist 1 month ago
No Mother's in Europe torture their sons like this
CutDicksRSmallNUgly 2 months ago 3
LOVE that last bit. Certainly explains why the deviants on twitter fight so hard for cutting baby boys. They want them to be deviants like them!
bancirc 2 months ago
Beautifully delivered and concise public service announcement for the humane treatment of America's boys. This should be running on TV stations nationally and several times a day.
HG354 2 months ago
Love it! Another great point about an intact man that you did not mention, is the extra pleasure for a woman! The male's foreskin serves as a natural stimulus for the clitoris. Perhaps this is the REAL reason behind the ancient supporters of this barbaric tradition, to keep women from experiencing the pleasures of natural stimulation? My son and yours will grow up grateful that we allowed them to have the freedom of choice for their bodies, instead of treating them like cattle or property!
StarDeSoul 2 months ago
Short, sweet, and to the point! Very well said, and lucky boy! ;D
TrollingYouBe 2 months ago
I love your choice! You can buy him some onesies like "i am happy anteater", "my body -my desigion", etc :) My nephew was mutilated at birth, and he has sever complications now :(
osbkids 3 months ago
cool mom indeed :D
LethalDozePL 3 months ago
You rock! Brilliantly stated!
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The soft mucosa of the inner foreskin produces plasma cells,which secrete immunoglobulin antibodies,and antibacterial and antiviral proteins such as the pathogen killing enzyme called lysozyme.All of the human mucosa (the linings of the mouth,eyelids,vagina,foreskin and anus)are the body's first line of defense against disease.This benefit of the foreskin could be one possible explanation why intact men are at lower risk of chlamydia and other sexually transmitted diseases.
blackman666ful 4 months ago
Totally right about the deviance. They also masturbate more if theyre circumcised. I'm circumcised, but I recently started covering my penis head as much as possible and after about 2 weeks, i have regained a TON of sensitivity. It used to take me hours to masturbate but now I can get it done in 10 minutes and it feels way better. Its much less of a waste of time now. Seriously. Nobody should have to take hours to get off. Its unnatural.
pandpinjapan 5 months ago
I wish my mother was as nice as you. Instead she had to have a moyl come over cut me because my parents are Jewish & in order for her to avoid feeling too guilty for not doing it & she was in another room when I cried my heart out & got so much cut off that my penis curves downward when erect, its over half covered with hairy scrotal tissue & it takes too long to get off. Shame on Judaism!!
lyutsin21 6 months ago 19
@lyutsin21 Did you confront your Mother about this?
CutDicksRSmallNUgly 2 months ago
@CutDicksRSmallNUgly Yes. At first she laughed & thought I was talking about the "pain of being born;" she thought male organ mutilaiton was just part of being born. Then she got very angry and defensive. Now sometimes I can discuss the problem and sometimes discussing it makes her too angry at me for mentioning it.
lyutsin21 2 months ago
@lyutsin21 I guess she is off your xmas list then?
CutDicksRSmallNUgly 2 months ago
@lyutsin21 I'm Jewish according to herritage. My parents didn't know there was such a thing as not circumcising & if they knew better they would still have had to do it to feel like they did the "right thing," as they angrily explained to me, & they still will not admit this abuse is wrong. They aren't inherantly evil, just the typical negligent parents. This abuse needs to be illegal.
lyutsin21 2 months ago 3
Hahaha damn this is the straight up truth!
MrMarkless 6 months ago
If circumcision is a from of mutilation, then HIV is a form of human sacrifice.
Many people are still alive due to circumcision.
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It is time to stop being selfish America. Many of you are still alive because of cir, but all people on youtube want to do is complain about FS.
AIDS is killing us and most of us are too stupid to see it.
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MacHead31 6 months ago
She's never had an uncircumcised cock before! She's to uptight. :)
sir1junior 7 months ago
my dad was cut and he didnt cut me so uh ya uncut for the win
funymaggot12 7 months ago
BLESS YOU WOMAN!
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Circumcision saves lives. Setting emotion aside this medical procedure has saved millions of lives and is being performed in Africa as a major HIV prevention tool, cutting HIV by 65 to 70%. the increase in HIV and AIDS in younger people is due to the fact that circumcision rates in the US are dropping. just google hiv circumcision and you will see the facts. the cost to society of not circumcising their sons will be greater HIV rate for the next generation. Circumcise and save a life!
timothyjames24 8 months ago
circumcision saves u from diseases in yr later life.
icjack99 8 months ago
@icjack99 , and what diseases might these be?
PungiFungi 8 months ago
You have no right to criticize other parents who have circumcised the sons. It is their decision. If you don't agree with it, keep that to yourself. Their is no proof that being circumcised effects males sexual feelings. How would you know anyways? People always say stuff like "it's mutilation, it's like chopping off someones ear." Well guess what, there is no extra skin on your ear. If you don't agree with it, then don't circumcise your son, and go on with life.
justy2395 8 months ago
@justy2395 , there is no extra skin on the ear, and there is no extra skin on the penis either. We have every right to criticise parents who circumcise their sons when their decision is based on ignorant observations and beliefs like yours. The foreskin is not an extra skin. Many men who have done later in life said there is a change for the worse. For some reason, you have your own agenda and refuse to believe them.
PungiFungi 8 months ago
@justy2395, rather, YOU breach basic ethics by giving yourself the right to cut off healthy tissue (foreskin) from a non-consenting minor. Only control-freak parents subject a son to unnecessary circumcision, treating his penis as if it belonged to them. Apart from Jews/Moslems, routine circumcision is only common in America. The British stopped doing it 60 years ago. A mother with normal maternal instinct wouldn't surrender her perfect baby for painful penile cutting.
WHOSE BODY IS IT?
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Thanks for speaking out.
HNshinobi 8 months ago
I love you! Common sense goes so far, if only more people would use it!!!
gypsy4360 9 months ago
"Circumcision is an issue in motherhood if you are going to have a son."
Not in Europe. It's not an issue there. It just isn't done.
HubbardOhio1st 9 months ago
"Circumcision is an issue in motherhood if you are going to have a son."
Not inEurope. It's not an issue there. It just isn't done.
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eident9 9 months ago
I keep it cut bitch ass nigga fuck the anteaters -_________-
MrGrandtheft13 9 months ago
i think im in love, with your intellect! buh dum ch
Rosstacular 9 months ago
i LOVE you!! Thank you for being a voice of reason, compassion, and humanity. I hope God blesses me with a woman who thinks like you. I dont hate anybody who cuts because I believe 70 to 80 percent of women do it out of ignorance or brainwashing. I can sympathize if you do it for religion, but for hygene or even worse, aesthetics, it is horrible and soo misguided. We must educate people and open their eyes, especially women who are in control of this!
TheRheannon 9 months ago
can you like travel across the country and tell everyone what you know? that would save a lot of babies.
matthewb20395 9 months ago
I got cut 5 years ago when I was 20 and so far I haven't noticed any decrease in sensitivity, but to each their own. I am sure some people feel a difference. I guess it is like pepsi or coke. There is a some difference, but they still both taste good and I can't really tell the difference.
MacHead31 9 months ago
@MacHead31 , well if there weren't any decrease in sensitivity, why have it done to begin with?
PungiFungi 9 months ago
@PungiFungi I am kind of confused by your question. If there is no decrease in sensitivity that seems like a reason to consider it; not discard doing it.
Why do other people do it? I don't know everyone is different. Some people do it for culture or religion. Some people like the way it looks. Some people do it to avoid a smegma build up... That is like saying why do people get GMC trucks vs Chevy trucks if they both use the same amount of gas. I like how it looks better so I got it done.
MacHead31 9 months ago
@MacHead31, if you were circumcised at 20, there was probably some sort of medical reason. Well over 85% of adult circumcisions are in response to a foreskin problem (most often phimosis). However, these men's (and your) testimony on circumcision's effect on penile function is IRRELEVANT to the vast majority of intact men (such as myself) who have NORMAL, HEALTHY foreskin that we enjoy, and wish to keep.
Testimony from men circ'd as adults does not justify cutting healthy foreskin off babies!
psandbergnz 9 months ago
@psandbergnz
Dear Mr. Skin,
Please go find the statement (you claim) that I made that babies should be circumcised.
Thanks.
P.S. Don't worry I'll wait.
MacHead31 9 months ago
@MacHead31, I didn't claim you said "babies should be circumcised"!
Your recent Youtube comments ("Jewish women against circumcision") expose you trivialising infant circumcision. Specifically, Enofrisk says: "Every ADULT has the right to choose if they want genital surgery. Children need legal protection.." YOU retort: "Funny. I don't remember giving consent for spanking when I was bad as a kid..."
A stupid analogy from you: infant circumcision implies permanent removal of healthy tissue.
psandbergnz 9 months ago
@psandbergnz
Yes, but where did I say babies should be cut?
The comment I made there was just stating the fact that we don't choose all things in life. We don't pick who our parents are, where we live, ect... AND we don't pick if we are cut or not as a baby. Did you pick not to be cut a a kid? NO. That was my point.
MacHead31 9 months ago
@MacHead31: Oh, I never made that claim of you!
No, I did not pick circumcision as a kid. AND THAT'S WHY MY PARENTS HAD NO RIGHT TO PICK UNNECESSARY, RISKY GENITAL SURGERY FOR ME! In England (and Europe), it would be hard for parents to even find a urologist willing to cut off healthy tissue from a baby, because it is UNETHICAL to do it!
Very few of us are circ'd over here. We're not like the retarded USA, half of whom believe Earth was created 6,000 years ago (and dinosaurs lived among men).
psandbergnz 9 months ago
@psandbergnz
Then why did you say this "Testimony from men circ'd as adults does not justify cutting healthy foreskin off babies!"
Please make a claim you would like to challenge me on and I will tell you if I agree or not. If I don't agree I will give my argument. Otherwise, stop making many claims all at once.
Thanks.
MacHead31 9 months ago
@MacHead31, it's time you refrained from claiming that I claimed that you claimed something. Your comments just get silier (not necessarily following from your being an American). I only claim what is rightfully or legally mine, and advise honourable people to do likewise. I tend to comment to clarify possible misunderstandings, or offer my views.
As for believing Earth was created 6,000 years ago and Homo sapiens lived with dinosaurs, sorry, THAT belief IS retarded! And yes, I do claim that.
psandbergnz 9 months ago
@psandbergnz Look.. I am not for cir... I am also not against it. I would like to see rational people make the decision for themself. If your cut I highly recommend considering restoring (I am not a supporter of the TLC tugger- it is a horrible device and Ron Low is a moron- Look into the DTR. That guy is great). ALSO if your uncut look into getting cut. Do your research. I can list the top reason I hate hearing from BOTH sides of this argument and I can tell you why I think they are bogus.
MacHead31 9 months ago
@MacHead31
Arguments I hate from people against cir:
1. Decrease senitivity- Don't cherry pick the info. Most studies show no difference. When doctors say "there could be a relation" that is a strong statement and is not weak as most people think. A theory in sci is not like a theory in modern convo terms.
2. You lose the moveability of the penis.- Yes true, but not that much is lost and the some is lost can be restored. If it isnt hard to clean it isn't hard to add lube.
IcouldGOonBUTnoRum
MacHead31 9 months ago
@MacHead31, most of your arguments seem grounded in common sense, but your statment on penile sensitivity is insignificant here. To repeat: MOST men circumcised as adults (over 85%) do so in response to DEFECTIVE foreskin (e.g. phomosis) that may have made sex painful. Removal of abnormal foreskin is not likely to impair sex. But that is irrelevant to men (like me) who have HEALTHY foreskin which we enjoy! So what's your point?
NB. "Tight" circumcisions leave very little penile motility.
psandbergnz 9 months ago
I mean "phimosis".
psandbergnz 9 months ago
@psandbergnz
>>To repeat: MOST men circumcised as adults (over 85%) do so in response to DEFECTIVE foreskin (e.g. phomosis)<<
I agree and that's great, but who cares what other people do. Do what you want just give it some thought. You have a healthy foreksin awesome. You said you like it.. awesome. Keep it. My point is to think about what you want. You seem to like your foreksin, so I guess you should keep it. All I said was that I got cut and I like it and it is honestly not all that differ
MacHead31 9 months ago
@MacHead, "Intactivists" are NOT against the right to choose circumcision on oneself! Your subjective anecdotal evidence should not be used to justify routine infant circumcision (under dscussion!). Men like you who choose circumcision out of dislike for their foreskin are similar to women choosing labiaplasty (quite common). Their testimony would not justify routine labiaplasty of daughters.
Moreover, you could plan/individualise it to suit your personal taste (high/low, tight/loose cut).
psandbergnz 9 months ago
@psandbergnz >>Your subjective anecdotal evidence should not be used to justify routine infant circumcision (under dscussion!).<< Why do you keep going back to this? I said it isn't justifiable.
The point is you don't choose everything in life; for example, you don't pick who your parents are or where you live, but everyone has the right to change where they are. Someone maybe Cut/Uncut now, but if they want to be Cut/Uncut tomorrow is their decision.
MacHead31 9 months ago
@psandbergnz In regards to: We're not like the retarded USA
Stop buying our iPods, Macbooks, and iPhones then. Saying someone else is retarded because you don't share the same viewpoint as them really just shows the unintelligence of yourself.
MacHead31 9 months ago
@MacHead31, regarding iPods etc.: the people who INVENTED the electronics are, in my opinion, cleverer than the people who own the companies that depend on selling them.
psandbergnz 9 months ago
@psandbergnz
Arguments I hate from people pro cir:
1. HIV prevention for babies- If a baby has HIV the parents need to see a doc and talk. This is not a reason to do it. Also they have condoms, but this is still a pro to consider it for SOME.
2. So the child will look the same as his peers. - I have never seen another males penis in high school, maybe there are exceptions, but no one really knows what everyone elses penis looks like
3. Health benifits- Yes, you can be healthy with skin.
MacHead31 9 months ago
@MacHead31, I was not done and will never get it done because I know that removing my foreskin will lead to the desensitization of my sexual organ. I think this is a more serious issue than buying a car and I seriously question the motives of those who does for it aesthetic purposes. As for smegma build up, take a bath. Again, for someone who claim to have it done later in life, you expressed very little knowledge of your own foreskin and its function.
PungiFungi 9 months ago
@PungiFungi Fine don't get it done.
MacHead31 9 months ago
@MacHead31 , and I won't because the pros is only in theory (you just MIGHT avoid certain diseases and cancer) whereas the cons are very real (it will become dried and desensitized, no ands, ifs or buts).
PungiFungi 9 months ago
@PungiFungi Great believe what you want. Evolution is also a theory in science too. I am just going to believe your a f%cking moron.
MacHead31 9 months ago
@MacHead31 , but we are not talking about evolution are we? If leaving you body the way it is unmodified because there is nothing wrong with it to begin with is moronic, I guess it takes one to know one, huh?
PungiFungi 9 months ago
@PungiFungi No we are not talking about evolution specifically. We ARE talking about what a theory is though and evolution is just that, so to say something in science is only a theory shows what a jackhole you are.
MacHead31 9 months ago
@MacHead31, the fact that you have to resort to calling me jackhole is a typical response and tactic from pro-circ people whose arguments for circumcision have been shot down. In other words, you are convincing nobody.
PungiFungi 9 months ago
@PungiFungi Yeah and the other reason someone would be called a jackhole is because they are ignorant, which I think you are. Any argument you want to make I would destroy because you are in fact a jackhole.
MacHead31 9 months ago
@MacHead31 , you have yet to destroy any of my arguments. You are the one comparing to cutting off a part of your body to buying a car. Ignorant indeed.
PungiFungi 9 months ago
@PungiFungi The fact that you don't like my analogy is irrelevant. Make an argument and I will tell you if I agree or not.
MacHead31 9 months ago
@MacHead31 , your analogy is relevant. It shows a blatant disregard for a part of your body that you so casually got rid of, hence I seriously question if what you claim you have done at 25 and with no loss of sensation is the truth. If you were telling the truth, you wouldn't need to resort to call me a fucking moron or a jackhole.
PungiFungi 9 months ago
@PungiFungi No it is not. I can view getting cut as how I see fit. You don't have to agree with it, therefore it is irrelevant. The bigger issue is if there is a loss in sensitivity. Which there is not. Your a moron because you fail to do your research.
MacHead31 9 months ago
@MacHead31 , then tell me, how a penis keep its sensitivity once the foreskin has been removed and now it is exposed to the air and to clothing? And you know what, I have done my research. Any man with a foreskin can pull it back and simulate being cut for a day. And you know what happens, it get dried and rough. I have done it. If you had a foreskin as you claim, you would know that. So in other words, you are lying. Again name calling is what you are reduce to doing.
PungiFungi 9 months ago
@MacHead31 , and the overwhelming testimony from men who tells the truth about circumcision is that there is a loss of sensitivity. I don't need to do any research, it is simple common sense. Expose a sensitive area to constant stimuli, it became desensitized. It is like 1 + 1 is 2. DUH.
PungiFungi 9 months ago
@PungiFungi LMAO
MacHead31 9 months ago
@MacHead31 , as I expected. Nothing left to say but "LMAO". People reading this is really laughing at you. Keep on talking, please, as it continue to expose your own ignorance and lies and as far as I see here, nobody is being convinced by you. You are in good company, some of the weirdest things pro-circ people like you have said includes : "I am proud that both my boys have nice sexy circumciusion scars".
PungiFungi 9 months ago
@MacHead31 , and how abou this one : "All of us whites circumcised, those who don't are niggers and wetties."
PungiFungi 9 months ago
@MacHead31 , or better yet, when they know I have tear down all their arguments, they go: " I'm not gonna talk you anymore!", or in your case: "your f%king moron." Please, get a pair of balls and spell it out. I guess they removed them too along with your foreskin.
PungiFungi 9 months ago
@PungiFungi You have yet to make an argument. All your doing is talking trash.
MacHead31 9 months ago
@MacHead31 , given your seeming short term memory and lack of reading comprehension, you are not going to make medical school.
PungiFungi 9 months ago
@MacHead31 , and since you are applying to medical school, you are going to be in for a rude awakening. Medical authorities, including those in the US, are no longer recommending circumcision. You of all people should know that. I guess this is not your field, for someone who is so ignorant about the function of his own body. You should thus stop wasting your time and think of something else.
PungiFungi 9 months ago
@PungiFungi It is not recommended, but it is not discouraged either. LMAO @ U
MacHead31 9 months ago
@MacHead31 , then answer my question, how does a circumcised penis keeps its sensitivity once the foreskin has been removed? You were too busy talking about doing research and calling me moron. Again, please avoid medical school. In the miraculous event that you do get in, you'll flunk.
PungiFungi 9 months ago
@PungiFungi
I shouldn't have to answer this question since you have shown no evidence of your claims but I will explain it some, the rest is up to you.
We feel due to pressure. So go pick up a physics book and tell me what pressure is equal to then come back.
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PungiFungi 9 months ago
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@PungiFungi Logic FAIL.
>>the question is not whether there is any evidence of my claims. <<
If you make a claim you have to show evidence.
I can back up my claims. Back up your claims.
MacHead31 9 months ago
@MacHead31 , perhaps you should pick up a medical book before applying to medical school. We feel due to pressure and circumcised penises like your needs more pressure to feel. And the comparisons about war vet amputees...I don't need to lose an arm or a leg to know I'd rather keep them. Once again, you can't answer my question because you are lying. Come back when you can answer my question without resorting to name calling and deflecting to some other non-issue.
PungiFungi 9 months ago
@PungiFungi I told you this already. GO PICK UP A BOOK YOURSELF!
P=F/A
N=P/A
If you decrease A what happens to N?
An elephant has more nerves than you, so does an elephant feel more? NO!
I will not give you the info until you do some research ON YOUR OWN first.
MacHead31 9 months ago
@MacHead31 , we are not talking about elephants here. You cannot give me the info because you have none. You are another one, the moment I ask for information you try to deflect and refuse to answer. Again, I don't need to do any research in order to retain a body part that I was born with. If people like you are admitted to medical school, we are in deep serious trouble.
PungiFungi 9 months ago
@PungiFungi
If we have people like you our society is in serious trouble.
I have given my argument and it is this:
P=F/A
N=P/A
If you can not understand the science behind that, then that is your problem.
You do need to do research if you want to understand things and clearly you don't understand it.
MacHead31 9 months ago
@MacHead31 , as I said, if you can't answer in plain simple language and tell people to do their reseach mean you have no answer at all. Since you keep saying "do your research", what am I researching for anyway? I can't wait for your answer. This is going to be good.
PungiFungi 9 months ago
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Part 1
Ok I want you to listen carefully.
First I will address the issue that removing nerves from the penis DOES NOT decrease sensitivity.
We feel due to pressure.
P=Force/Area (related to this equation is..)
Nerves feeling = Pressure / Area
If I remove part of an area on the penis the same amount of pressure will still be required to stimulate the penis as before because the pressure to area ratio doesn't change, even though some area (x) on the penis is gone.
MacHead31 9 months ago
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Part 2
Chemist also use this function of equations (here is how):
Concentration (this can be nerve concentration or acid concentration- it does't make a difference) = moles (amount) / litter (volume)
So if I have a jar of laundry detergent and someone removes 3 cups from my jar does the laundry detergent become less concentrated? NO.
If I remove some skin off the penis does the nerve concentration become less? NO.
The same principle applies.
MacHead31 9 months ago
@MacHead31, first of all, you are comparing biological nerve endings to chemicals. They are totally different and the principles do not apply, as any medical professional will tell you. And second, whether or not there are more nerves and less nerves is ultimately irrelevant. Circumcision leads to the densitization of the penis because the foreskin is no longer there to protect it from constant outside stimulus. All the nerve endings there will no you no good if they can't feel anything.
PungiFungi 9 months ago
@PungiFungi Bio and Chem are not all that different in the way they calculate things and since when are all medical professionals experts on chem?
N=P / A <- BIOLOGY
M=n / L <- Chem
P = F / A <- Physics
Do you notice any similarities? There are also similarities to electrical charges and gravity, does that mean the work the same way? YES!
Objective argument ALWAYS win over subjective arguments.
I can tell you have no idea how nerves works. DO RESEARCH!!!
MacHead31 9 months ago
@PungiFungi
>>what am I researching for anyway?<<
If you don't even know what to research then stop making claims. How can you say something so dumb. How about research what you claim.
MacHead31 9 months ago
@MacHead31 , I am claiming that circumcision decreases sensitivity of the penis, it is something that I have done by simply retracting my foreskin (any intact man can tell you) and have heard the testimony of men who have it done later in life. In any case, you have yet to anwer my question. Perhaps you should do your own research about how the foreskin actually function before coming here making false claims about having it done only a few years ago. It keeps you from sounding dumb.
PungiFungi 9 months ago
@PungiFungi Do you see the problem with your argument? It is subjective. Any cut male can tape his remaining skin in place over the glans and say, 'wow it feels the same.' That would be just as bad as what your saying. What question did I not answer? I know the function of the foreskin I had one about 5 years ago! I should be the ultimate subjective matter. Not your ignorant ass.
MacHead31 9 months ago
@MacHead31 , excuse me, don't talk about problems with my argument when you compare nerve endings to the concentration of laundry detergents and elephants. And I have done my research. I have pulled my foreskin back and as a result of exposing the tip of my penis to constant stimuli, it became irritated and God knows what will happen years down the road. Do your research about foreskins before claiming you have a circumcision done 5 years ago.
PungiFungi 9 months ago
@PungiFungi Your arguments suck and if you where to propose them to a scientific community they would laugh you right out the building.
MacHead31 9 months ago
@MacHead31 , actually you will be laughed out of any medical school if you compare human nerves to laundry detergent. Practice what you preach, DO YOUR RESEARCH. I have done mine.
PungiFungi 9 months ago
@PungiFungi Go back and reread what I said. I said it was similar based on how to calculate feeling sensitivity, pressure, and concentration. Laundry detergent is a chemical concentration. Now go learn something and don't come back until you do.
MacHead31 9 months ago
@MacHead31 , I reread it and it is a bunch of bullshit. Again, if you want to go to medical school, at least have some working knowledge of a part of your own body. DO YOUR RESEARCH.
PungiFungi 9 months ago
@PungiFungi Maybe it is bull shit to you because you don't understand it, but to the EDUCATED population it is not. If anyone needs to show evidence in this argument it is you, because you are the one going against what every science documented work states.
Your the equivalent to some loser who sits at home and says evolution is a lie. If you going to make claims that go against what science says then show your evidence!
DO YOUR RESEARCH!!!!
MacHead31 9 months ago
@MacHead31 , and every scientific research had shown that circumcision leads to the desensitization of the penis, and none of them cited elephants and laundry detergents. Again, practice what you preach. For someone who claimed to have it done later in life, you show an extreme level of ignorance of your own body part. Which means you are lying or trying to convince yourself that you have made the right decision.
PungiFungi 9 months ago
@PungiFungi Do you have the education level of a 5 year old? Elephants and laundry detergent is an analogy I used to compare nerves and how they work. 95% of the science research shows no difference, you can not deny this and if you do you haven't research much.
Why do you say I am ignorant because I don't agree with you? If it is fair for you to say 'I pulled my foreskin back and my penis was less sensitive' Then if should be equally as fair for me to say the opposite.
MacHead31 9 months ago
@MacHead31 , as for laundry detergent, take away a bit does not reduce the concentration of the remaining detergent, but as a whole, it will create less suds. Again, it doesn't take a 5 year old to know that if something was born with a protective skin, take away the protection and guess what you end up with? Simple common sense. Again, you have yet to explain adequately how an exposed penis kept its sensitivity. First you evade the question, then you compare laundry detergents.
PungiFungi 9 months ago
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@PungiFungi >>as for laundry detergent, take away a bit does not reduce the concentration of the remaining detergent, but as a whole, it will create less suds<< LMAO... Go do the experiment and tell me your results.
MacHead31 9 months ago
@PungiFungi Nerve feeling is an intensive property not an extensive property. mole/liter is also intensive... Take notes on this!!!
MacHead31 7 months ago
@MacHead31 , take note on this: don't compare your genitals, at least what is left of it, to laundry detergent.
PungiFungi 7 months ago
@PungiFungi *face palm* Take notes in science class. Nerve feeling, density, and concentration are all extensive properties.
MacHead31 7 months ago
@MacHead31 , take note in science class. Men are born with a foreskin. Thus I don't need to justify nor give a reason why men should retain it. The burden of proof is on you brainwashed and ignorant people to show why it should be removed, and so far, none of your ilk have proven anything.
PungiFungi 7 months ago
@PungiFungi Anytime someone makes a claim the burden of proof is on them. Stop drinking the kool-aid. Even the AMA agrees with me, so you working against the odds of creditable scientist.
MacHead31 7 months ago
@MacHead31 , no, the AMA do not agree with you. No medical organization recommend circumcision. Stop drinking the cool-aid to believe that the foreskin is a useless flap of skin. How sad that men like you are lead to believe that. I don't need to do research to retain a part of my body that I was born with and from personal experience, provide a vital function in my sexuality.
PungiFungi 6 months ago
@MacHead31 , and please, stop talking in your faux-medical scientific gibberish to pass off as being more intelligent than you are. If you can't figure out that men are born with a foreskin and it serves a protective function , thus comprehend simple common sense, then please, don't apply for medical school. You'd be wasting your time.
PungiFungi 6 months ago 3
@PungiFungi I have already been accepted to medical school, I got a 37 on the MCAT, and I have a book being published hopefully by Dec.
You need to stay out of medicine. I was made for medicine.
MacHead31 6 months ago
@MacHead31 , you were made for medicine alright, the kind of Doctors who made money off the foreskins of infants.
PungiFungi 6 months ago
@PungiFungi Dude you just need to go and commit suicide, because the earth needs more intelligent people. Don't even bother taking another breathe. Your also born with pubic hair after puberty. Does that mean you need it?
MacHead31 6 months ago
@MacHead31 , again, comparing hair that will grow back as oppose to a body that do not? Your tactics are just like those criminals at Enron. Like them, you can't defend or explain your position in a clear and concise language but rather rely on trying to confuse people with jargons and to make it seem like they are somehow not intelligent or informed as you are to understand what you are talking about.
PungiFungi 6 months ago
@PungiFungi I compared it to hair to show that we don't have to keep things "nature or god" gives us. Mankind has done things WAY better than god or nature. The fact that foreskins do not grow back can be an advantage for some who do not want it.
>seem like they are somehow not intelligent or informed as you< Then don't take my word for it use pubmed or webmd for yourself. Do you own research. Just go to creditable scientific studies.
Cir DOES reduce the risk of HIV; no way around that one.
MacHead31 6 months ago
@MacHead31 , take note in science class: Hair grows back, foreskin do not. And take another note: if circ reduce risk of HIV, the US should be relatively free of HIV infections but instead we have a higher rate than relative UNCIRC Europe. And I dare you to have unprotected sex with an infected partner. You wouldn't, would you. So you get circ only to wear a condom ANYWAY. Please, I already see that for you, medical school is a waste of time.
PungiFungi 6 months ago 2
@PungiFungi Go get a pen and paper and get ready to take notes:
Where a virus is populated the most doesn't tell anything about who/why/how the virus is able to attack. We see this in evolution and evolution is my evidence to explain your question.Just because a virus is populated more in the US doesn't say anything about the infected individuals & why they were attacked by the virus.The rate of change is evidence for my case, NOT where it is populated. I can give more ex of this if you like.
MacHead31 6 months ago
@MacHead31 , get a pen and paper and a brain: laundry detergent are not comparable to human nerves. And as for evolution, we evolved a foreksin for a reason and we wouldn't have one if it doesn't serve a function.
PungiFungi 6 months ago
@PungiFungi Cool story bro.
MacHead31 6 months ago
@MacHead31 I see you're up to the same old propagandist statements MacHead.
eident9 6 months ago
@MacHead31 you're just so incredibly.. intelligent. After all, if we removed children's lips they'd be sooo less likely to get oral herpes. And CLEARLY, you must ALSO be advocating removal of the female inner labia and clitoral prepuce, because that substantially removes what MUST to you be non-necessary mucousal tissues which would only increase the surface area a virus could infect on a woman, leading to loss of life.
Isn't that right Mac?
eident9 6 months ago
@eident9 Cool story bro.
MacHead31 6 months ago
@MacHead31 ..not a story "bro", it's fucking simple logic. Got any of your own?
eident9 6 months ago
@eident9 You have a good story bro.
MacHead31 6 months ago
@MacHead31 , it is cool alright. And the truth.
PungiFungi 6 months ago
@PungiFungi I don't know about true, but it is a cool story bro.
MacHead31 6 months ago
@MacHead31 , LOL, another pro-circ nutcase reduced to this when all their arguments have been shot down and proven wrong. It always comes down to this. Just like Joefriendly, Sjbeacher, Diehardsweetheart.
PungiFungi 6 months ago
@PungiFungi I have explained my evidence and your too dumb to get it, so just keep going with your stories.
MacHead31 6 months ago
@MacHead31 , I wouldn't call them evidence, and they are not cool either. At least I am not dumb enough to compare foreskin to hair or laundry detergent. At least my genital are intact, and you are talking about something you have no knowledge of except heresay from others like you who are desperately deluding yourselves.
PungiFungi 6 months ago
@PungiFungi At least I am not too dumb to understand extensive and intensive properties. If you like to continue a discussion with me feel free to drive to Louisiana and we can have a debate and publish it on youtube. You can make a claim and I will show you evidence of how your wrong with all my science books from around the world. Until you have a knowledge of human anatomy and physiology, statistics, and evolution your opinions are POINTLESS to me and everyone else.
MacHead31 6 months ago
@MacHead31 you said "At least I am not too dumb to understand extensive and intensive properties."
Why do you do this? You're trying to browbeat the other. Physics and the properties of matter have no bearing here, to this particular discussion. If you want to have a full discussion of the matter of forced male circumcision I'll take part.
eident9 6 months ago
@eident9 I do not agree with "forced male circumcision" but I do believe there are some benefits and hardly any cons to being cut.
Your jumping into the conversation kind of late, so you missed out why I talked about extensive and intensive properties. If you want to know why I talked about that I can explain why in another comment.
Honestly, it isn't so much physics; it is more chemistry and PungiFungi is not understanding the chemistry of nerves and how to calculate sensation from # of nerves.
MacHead31 6 months ago
@MacHead31 Ok, we have a dialog. We agree that forced male circumcision is wrong. We probably don't agree on some other things, but we can discuss.
You said you believe there are some benefits and hardly any cons to being cut. I disagree. Unless you're advocating removal of male foreskin and female clitoris there's little room to speak there. The same fine touch nerves found in the clitoris are found only in the anterior and inner foreskin of males.
eident9 6 months ago
@eident9 Ok I will address the issue of female to male cir, but that is where you went with your comment. Ok.The male foreskin and the clitoris are NOT homologous structures, so it is unfair to compare to the two. What is homologous is the clitoral hood and the foreskin.
Any time someone makes a claim it is THIER responsibility to show evidence of their claim. Therefore, I hold the burden of proof of the following claims:
1. No loss in sensation
2. Red risk of HIV
3. Red risk of pen cancer
MacHead31 6 months ago
@MacHead31 It's my understanding that the male glans and clitoral glans have little if anything in common. The female prepuce does not contain fine touch nerves, though it is in ways a mechanical analogue to the foreskin (mechanical, not nerve analogue). The female clitoris reportedly has roughly 8,000 fine touch nerve receptors, which are not present in the female prepuce. The male prepuce, being larger than than the clitoris has roughly 20,000 fine touch nerves, and yet none in male glans
eident9 6 months ago
@eident9 Because I can not type a much as I would like on comments you can email me if you want a longer discussion. I can also show my evidence to you in email form with website that support my claims.
MacHead31 6 months ago
@MacHead31 The female and male prepuce are *not* nerve analogues. Our fine touch nerves are in different places. Female prepuce doesn't have the fine touch nerves, the clitoris does. In males the fine touch nerves are found *only* in the anterior and inner foreskin.
eident9 6 months ago
@eident9 If you want to have a long conversation with me then please do it in email form. I do not want to have to chase down all your responses in comment form.
MacHead31 6 months ago
@MacHead31 Mac I hear you but that isn't fair.. you've put a lot out there in advocating male circ, in public. We have to do this in public. I don't mean offense but I won't back off. If you find flaws in my statements please bring them to my attention. I'm not perfect, but I am not lazy in research.
eident9 6 months ago
@eident9 Ok if you insist, I doubt many people will go through and read our dialogue but whatever. What point do you want me to address first?
MacHead31 6 months ago
@MacHead31 I'd like you to prove that a male's fine-touch nerves are found anywhere other than the anterior and inner foreskin. This does NOT include the tail end of those nerves being caught up in the circ scar. We're talking fully whole males.
eident9 6 months ago
@eident9 Ok and at the same token I would like for you to prove they are there. In regards to cir though if these fine touch receptors are found in the inner foreskin it doesn't matter because the inner foreskin isn't removed in cir. Meissner's corpuscles are found in the inner foreskin (again this is not removed) and to my knowledge are not found or have not been found yet in the outer foreskin
We do find meissner's corpuscles in the palms of our hands and that can be associated with fine touch
MacHead31 6 months ago
@MacHead31 Are you OUT OF YOUR MIND?.. inner foreskin IS removed in all male circumcisions!
eident9 6 months ago
@eident9 The area between the scar and glans is the inner foreskin, if that is not inner foreskin, please tell me what that part of the penis that is called. If you like I can show you evidence that it is indeed inner foreskin. Just ask for the evidence and I will show you.
MacHead31 6 months ago
@MacHead31 you MASSIVE FUCKING RETARD that band of scar tissue we all have between the glans and final scar line is NOT inner foreskin. Inner foreskin is mucousal and destroyed in MGM. Let's see your evidence girl.
eident9 6 months ago
@eident9 Why don't you tell me what the skin is called between the glans and the scar. All you said what it is not but you have not said what it is. Look in your email for the evidence. I can not post websites in comments, youtube will not allow it.
MacHead31 6 months ago
@MacHead31 You idiot! Every male can tell you the skin of an intact male is redoubled and fused to the glans at birth. Redoubled? means it's rolled over twice, attached at the sulcus and doubled over the glans. BOTH layers of skin are COMPLETELY removed in male circ. What's left is (if you want to call it something) a 1-inch wide scar where half the skin of the penis used to be. There is no mucousal tissue left.
eident9 6 months ago
@eident9 It is physically impossible to remove both layers at the same time. You will be left with no skin. You clearly do not even know what cir is, so your the one who needs to be educated.
MacHead31 6 months ago
@MacHead31 You dumb bitch, saying "It is physically impossible to remove both layers at the same time. You will be left with no skin". The fused skin is first torn away then cut. Watch a fuckng vid cunt.
eident9 6 months ago
@eident9 If your going to start with insulting claims this conversation is done, because it seems like you don't even care about what is true or false you just want to believe what you think is morally ok.
There are scientific beliefs, moral beliefs, and personal beliefs. Your letting your moral beliefs conflict with your science beliefs.
MacHead31 6 months ago
@MacHead31 OH MY GOD! You DO realize that we as a nation took a stance against ANY form of FGM years ago? AND YET YOU DON'T GIVE A DAMN ABOUT MALE CHILDREN. worthless piece of shit.
eident9 6 months ago
@eident9 If that is how you are going to act this conversation is now done. I tried to show you my evidence but you just didn't want to listen to it. The World Health Organization agrees with me and every other nationally medical association, so your opinions do not matter. The fact is this: More people would be dead right now if it wasn't for cir due to HIV. I have STRONG evidence for this claim, but if your going to be ignorant in your ways it is a waste of time to show it to you.
MacHead31 6 months ago
@MacHead31 Umm, moron, the World Health Organization opposes FGM while supporting MGM for one reason.. male foreskin is bought and sold at a premium by companies like Coriell, and then farmed out for stem cells for hundreds of thousands of dollars per foreskin. And what you're talking about is WHO's statements that male circ prevents HIV. Did they do same study for mutilated women. Would you tell your circ'd son not to wear a condom because they said his circ prevents aids?
eident9 6 months ago
@eident9 It is a good thing condoms are around, because not only do they prevent HIV, but they also prevent unwanted pregnancy. Everywhere in the world there are no more unwanted pregnancies because of condoms. Wow you intelligence is just so awesome!
MacHead31 6 months ago
@MacHead31 NOW you're talking. Condoms, male and female versions, or male condoms coupled with female measures like sponges and film, are the only way to protect against unwanted pregnancy and STD's.
eident9 6 months ago
@eident9 Your making claims now show your evidence.
MacHead31 6 months ago
@MacHead31 Funny, didn't see you show any evidence, even when you said tell me what you needed to prove. But TELL ME what evidence YOU need you need, with your little protected butt, while males are cut round the clock.
eident9 6 months ago
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@eident9 >Funny, didn't see you show any evidence, even when you said tell me what you needed to prove. But TELL ME what evidence YOU need you need, with your little protected butt, while males are cut round the clock.<
LMAO dude I don't know what the hell you just said. Go take an english class. You made the claim that all inner and outer foreskin is removed during cir. Now show me what you said is true. Show evidence of what type of skin remains after cir.
MacHead31 6 months ago
@MacHead31 ??
eident9 6 months ago
@eident9 , the only evidence MacHead can come up with is nonsense like extensive and intensive properties and laundry detergent. You know people like him are bullshitting when they can't answer in plain coherent English. Then again, he refused to answer me first by saying "do your research'". Then the poor dear no doubt dug through his outdated medical books and gave me an answer comparing human nerves to the concentration of detergents. What a loser.
PungiFungi 6 months ago
Oh my god you are not even male are you? I've NEVER seen anyone but a female show this much absolute ignorance! Fuck you're a retarded self-aborbed GIRL aren't you?
eident9 6 months ago