Ayn Rand was a moron who thought she could survive on her own genius but when cancer threatened to wipe out the little bit of wealth she managed to put away for her old age she changed her name and applied for welfare benefits. The queen of the Libertarians, a stupid bitch preaching to the ignorant. She had a modicum of success on her own but like other so called self made successes, when she failed and she turned to the state to keep her ass off the street.
Why have a meaningful debate about important issues with people that may actually come to believe in individual rights along with small govt. when we can just assume they are not" real" thinkers like us and call them names. Stupid tea baggers. Meanwhile the Libertarian movement continues to stall, sputter, and shit the bed every November. We debate incessantly amongst ourselves. why don't we ever seize the opportunity to do it nationally when it can count for something?
can I just say I'm not a Ron Paul purist and still a libertarian? His take on NAFTA and the WTO give me a little concrn that he might sacrifice the good to the perfect. Don't get me wrong, I'm behind his running for president but I'm always a little concerned by followings that are a little too boisterous and a little unreflective.
can I just say I'm not a Ron Paul purist and still a libertarian? His take on NAFTA and the WTO give me a little concrn that he might sacrifice the good to the perfect. Don't get me wrong, I'm behind his running for president but I'm always a little concerned by followings that are a little too boisterous a little unreflective.
@ThePythagoran He's very conservative in my opinion. He's pro-life stance and his take on economics are the bad sides. His disdain for big business and love for the "little guy", are the good sides.
I've been a Libertarian since 1977 and I'm in the Tea Party. The core values of the Tea Party are Libertarian. BTW, the Republican establishment hates the Tea Party. George H.W. Bush said as much.
Ok here is the difference between a libertarian and a tea partier. Libertarians do support freedom, but this is more of a "let it all hang out, no rules and no referee, if it feels good do it philosphy!! It would be nice to live in such a world, but people have to live, we have to work, we have to follow rules and the tea partiers know " freedom isn't free"
If you want freedom you will have to work for it and you will , at times have to defend it . That folks is the difference!!
@unclefixer Yes you have to defend your own freedom. A true Libertarian doesn't see a border because we believe in freedom. Any person has the right to work and live and be wherever the choose so long as they are not infringing upon personal property rights which are defended by the individual. A true libertarian state doesn't need to fight wars because it makes no claim on national lands. All lands are owned by the individual, private business, or local government; leaving them to defend it.
@friday0408 But even in the Constitution it allows the federal government to raise an army right? (why would congress have the war power without an army). I am a new Libertarian so this is not a jab or hit on you. But it is still a party, a party that still has to abide by the constitution and the constitution says an army is needed. I believe in peace and free trade and see ur idea that borders are basically non existent because of those two things. More Freedom Less Government. Libertarian.
@brixcity17 But to have More Freedom you have to respect the Freedom of others. If we had such a state would it matter if someone from another country came here if they did their work, caused no harm, and paid whatever local taxes they were subject to?
Yes the congress can raise an army if they have the votes, but in a system like that would you really need a large standing army? Enough people in this country like to play soldier as it is, so you would have local Militias that could be called
I am not a fan Bush. We was a huge spender and tried to impose moral values both which I disagree. also he was anti small business. Then again Obama is also anti small business with heavy regulation and healthcare reform both philosophies have failed IMO
Is the tea party racist? Yes some are! As an African in america do I care? Hell no! We have all been played off each other to our detriment the civil rights movement was a major blunder & that legislation was used to enslave the entire nation as was the 14th & 15th amendments! It is ironic that the working class whites & Blacks salvation & common interests have merged. They must now set aside their differences to save the union & reestablish common law & a republican government 4 WE THE PEOPLE!
I believe the Tea Party to be the Christian Right of the 90's with a Economic Libertarian message. Thats suspended the "Culture War" because they know a consensus of americans don't follow them there. But I hope I'm wrong.
Perhaps some nationalized industry could revitalize parts of America such as Detroit;lower crime and help make america less dependent on trade with other nations,as well as making a tidy profit for private companies to help set them up.The devil makes work for idle hands right?
@daPlumber702 I just wanted to see how people would respond; I know most Americans detest that sort of political and economic thinking.Though you have to admit Detroit has been abandoned by most big business-the only place worth living is downtown.
@TruthApple88 atually detroit was put into it's current state pretty much by a form of nationalization.
watch?v=1hhJ_49leBw
that's a pretty good run down of what happened to the city, and how it went from being one of the largest single economies in the world during the hayday of "motor city" to being a run down cesspool. Quit giving the people living there incentive not to work, and to give businesses incentive to come to the city. Until that happens, they're completely screwed.
@daPlumber702 I guess a good solution would be to do a Roosevelt number on Detroit rather than playing the blame game on political thought while Little Timmy goes hungry.Sure beats financing terrorism so the Arms Industry gets more money and the West gets the arab oil!
The Tea Party is somewhat utopian. They want smaller government without actually cutting government programs. They want less debt without cutting spending or raising taxes. They want freedom without civil liberty. They want an end to cronyism but they want politicians to end it.
Sadly it's very much like the socialism they oppose. It's got a good objective without any sensible means of getting there.
The Tea Party is just one of those movements that was hijacked by the neoconservatives. It was a right-libertarian grassroots movement that just turned sour because it was hijacked by the Republicans (aka Neoconservatives). Once Sarah Palin became an icon of the Tea Party movement, I knew at that moment that the Tea Party was hijacked and was dead.
@FUCKMETALHEADPOSERS No, I knew it was dying quite a while back before she became an icon of it, but it was the true confirmation of the death of the Tea Party when Sarah Palin became one.
@madderbass Yup. And as soon as Glenn Beck started claiming the Tea Party and Sarah Palin we should have denounced them immediately. It is time we stand up again by ourselves without mainstream media, and take back the country.
@madderbass FYI - the teabaggers were full of shit well before establishment republicans waved shiny objects to get them off course. The fact that this faux movement was so easily carried off message is a clear indicator that they were knuckle draggers all along.
We shall see the error of our ways when the dollar collapses. This is coming. We're in an enormous deficit and spending hasn't been cut. It's going to get much worse my fellow americans. The bailouts and stimuli have been detrimental to our economy.
I saw some tea baggers drinking tea at the boston harbor,.... i almost puked. the founding fathers would be rolling in their graves...... sad sad sad sad
Learning a lot about the Libertarian party reading the comments. Could someone explain a little bit about their foreign policy? It would have been a shame if the Revolutionist let the Brits have their way back in the 1700's or let Hitler take over Europe in the 1940's to only take us on afterwards when they where regrouped and stronger. Not saying we should be in Iraq or Afghanistan but Iran has made serious threats against America and their nuke program is steadily gaining momentum! Help!
@Blogalicious Iran has not threaten us that a lie project by the mainstream media that want to march Americans to war against iran for the sake of israel at the expense of more american lives and they do it with more lies of weapons of mass destruction, but u want to know libertarian foreign policy as our government is limited in power over the American people what makes u think they suddenly have full authority over the entire world and tell them what they can and cant do in there own country
@Blogalicious libertarian foreign policy has to do with a nonconfrentational if possible approach. Im sure if a libertarian were president and america changed its foreign policy, You would see lees of them hating us, if we stopped backing israel so much for instance. It would be more for an america minds their own business and stops occupying foreign lands type of foreign policy. You see it's americas foreign policy and lack of understanding of middle eastern policy why they hate us.
as a libertarian i dont support the tea party because it went from discussion of economic issues to people wanting to impose there religous views as laws and i dont think i would vote any tea pary members because most are neo cons willing to march america into ww3 and cost american lives because of there loyalty to israel as much as i dont like the democrates on how they been handling the economy we dont need neo con war mongering right now
@gonzo361 I'm a Libertarian and have been since 1977 I just joined our local Tea Party . The issue for me is smaller government and less taxation. If nothing else, I get to talk to those people and present Libertarian ideas. They know I'm a Libertarian and are open to our ideas. They have never even attempted to discuss their religious views but stay focussed on the mission of the Tea Party.
Things may be different where you are, but here I feel very welcome among them.
@josephonwhidbey as a libertarian i think you should look at the bigger picture here they proclaim smaller government but then do a 180 on those views and want to continue the wars in iraq and afgahn and just as the troops leave iraq they ready to redirect the flight to iran for more american lives at the expense of israeli agenda a libertarian supports a free market and wants to end prohabiton that creates a blood market they support these blood markets by continueing the prohabiton
@gonzo361 As in any movement there will be people who differ on the particulars of various issues and not all Tea Party people think as you suppose. The group on Whidbey Island Washington has no foreign policy agenda. I've been at this a long time and I can tell you from experience that the Libertarian Party can't accomplish its mission on its own. If we insist on purity we will be very lonley indeed. What Libertarians need to do is to work with people who share at least some of our goals.
@josephonwhidbey the divison that you are in may not have a foreing policy but nationali listen to the spokeswomen herself say that we need to strike iran to defend israel. this is the religous fanatics within the higher up ranks slowy leading independents and libertarians into a neo con agenda we dont need them as libertarians we need to fight to put our own media out there this is why we are such an d underdog rep dominate talk radio while libs dominate the news channels
@gonzo361 For more years then I can remember socialists and progressives have been working within the democratic party in order to acheive their agenda with much success. They knew they couldn't accomplish their aims alone; neither can we Libertarians. After almost 40 years of existance we have accomplished nothing if going by vote totals alone; but it's worse then that. Our country hae less liberty now then ever. The Tea Party is where some of us need to be just to talk show the flag.
@josephonwhidbey the party been hijacked libertarians are not working within but weeded out look at the leaders and spokesperson, ron paul started it and the neo cons got behind the wheels so it could be there voice the tea party turning into a bunch of republicans but as a libertarian if you can trust people like palin and beck to steer the party in the right direction then i think your gonna face buyers regret in the future
@gonzo361 Ok, you didn't address my comment associated with the stateists alliance with the democrats. In world war II we were allied with the Soviet Union; they broke the back of the Naxi advance in Europe but they were Communists. Should we not have not had that alliance ? So my point is this; political action requires numbers of people with a common goal. The tea Party movement has it and the Libertarian Party never has, So I will tell you this; If I am weeded out , I will let you know.
@josephonwhidbey because it wasnt a question. should we have even invaded germany to begin with is a better question? what you fail to realize is libertarians dont share goals with neo cons they are hypocrites who like to claim small government but just want there own version of socialism in like how they claim they defend the constitution but then want to get rid of the 14 admendment or free maket but endorse prohabiton sir your eyes are being poke by neo con they are using you
People are attracted to men of principle? Hitler? Charles Manson? Howard Stern? Glenn Beck? Richard Nixon?
The stupid vote is, and always has been, the swing vote. Stupid people are mesmerized by certain tones -- sound and style of speech, especially when the speaker has apparent super human self confidence, tells them who to hate, and convinces them there is a certain group who are evil and responsible for all ills.
This is the power of speakers such as Hitler, Beck, Rush, etc
@IowaSea There is a little more to that. we wouldn't (in effect) live in a democracy if everyone stuck to one party. Some people who swing are just memorized, some do out of intelligent study of policies. I think you will find the stupid 'swingers' are the ones that still haven't decided once all the proposed policies are given out.
behind Beck is the very much needed libertarian, small government, maximum rights, movement. despite the apparent hypocrisy of some of its followers.
@TheAttackRat very true. But this bullshit phrase "small government" is meaningless, really. It doesnt mean anything, but they think it does.
Still, Im glad the Tea Party is going, people sure as fuck werent allowed in the GOP, that was all money controlled. Tea Party has a lot of straw men to blame shit on. Someday they will realize -- its not THEM doing horrible things. Its US.
@TheAttackRat by stupid vote, I mean those retards who have no clue -- or concern -- for the complex nature of a topic. Take the Fairtax for example. A total farce, a literal farce,whose own leaders have avoided hearings under oath for 13 years -- for a damn good reason (because its a farce).
There are some very smart people voting for GOP for good reason. Same with DEM. But both parties need to get that stupid vote that is led by cliches, bullshit, and smoke & mirrors.
The guy -- Paul Jay -- is smart. the other guy blathers.
Mr Jay is right. The Tea Party is a creation Fox Spews.
Fox Spews has discovered these three truisms 1) Stupid people believe anything if the speaker is confident and speaks fast 2) Stupid people need to be told who to hate, 3) Stupid people love We vs They mentality.
You are calling me an idiot because your opinion of what the law ought to be is different than what the law actually is and you didn't take the time to educate yourself on the law.
Yes, I think it is perfectly okay for the government to regulate businesses that serve the public. If you don't like that don't open a business that serves the public.
I said public accommodation. That would be a restaurant or hotel. I doesn't matter who owns it. All members of the public should have the right to us public accommodations. If you don't agree then you don't like the civil rights act.
It is hard to maintain you are not racists if you oppose the civil rights act.
@SamWiseGingy People, organization, groups discriminate all the time. There's nothing wrong with it. The law was and is easily bypassed anyway, people need only to create "memberships" for their stores to get around it. People reject unreasonable discrimination nowadays because their hearts and minds have changed, not because they were forced to by the government.
Funny how the hearts and minds changed after the law changed.
Lestor Maddox proved just how necessary Title II was.
Most Americans think the Civil Rights act was one of our more noble accomplishments. Not Rand Paul.
That is why the lable racist belongs on Rand Paul.
How dare someone suggest the an American citizen can be rejected from a place of public accomodation because of the color of thier skin. Not in America.
@SamWiseGingy "Funny how the hearts and minds changed after the law changed."' As an example: Nashville's students attained citywide desegregation in May, 1960, and Greensboro’s Woolworth’s store desegregated its lunch counter several months after its sit-in, on July 26, 1960. That was 4 years BEFORE the civil rights act was signed into law.
Palin is a mouthpiece. She doesn't get into specifics, she just speaks in generalization. She was chosen because she sound like some you would meet in a grocery store.
The interviewer needs to address the ridiculous and sickening Obama=Hitler rhetoric because that is a major factor. So many Tea people don't even know what fascism or socialism are. Matt Welch must be talking about a very specific movement outside of the general movement.
My problem with Libertarians is that they do not have preventative approaches in lieu of regulation. Let the banks fail. Fine, but the crime is done. How do you stop the stealing in the first place?
What you're not seeing is that the regulations don't stop the crimes either. People are always going to try to cheat the system. The worst thing you can do is build the cheating into the system though.
@andrewclunn So going by your logic, there should be no laws against murder, robbery, rape, etc. because there are people who break those laws. And, why is it that between the beginning of the depression in 1929 and the beginning of the Reagan era, there were no financial crises resulting from theft? Because, there was regulation. The S&L, Enron, and sub-prime crises all resulted from de-regulation.
First that I'm against laws against murder. That is wrong. What you are doing is a called a straw man argument. Don't put words in my mouth.
Second you are claiming that large scale corporate theft is somehow novel to today AND that there are fewer regulations now than there were in the 1930s. Both of these are not true.
@andrewclunn Are you high? Seriously. Read my post again and tell me where I said that you were against laws for murder. Take your time. If you think that we should have no regulations in the market because people will not follow them, then it is NOT a straw man argument to illustrate the stupidity of your basic assertion that rules are pointless because nobody will follow them. Just.....think about it.
I am not claiming that corporate theft is novel to our time.
@andrewclunn WHAT I DID SAY was that for the 50 years between 1930 and 1980, there were no major corporate scandals because we had regulations like Glass-Steagall (1929), Securities and Exchange Act (1934), Federal Home Loan Act (1932) Banking Acts (1933 & 1935), Federal Credit Union Act (1934). Reagan began the process of weakening these. I did not say that ALL regulations came in the 30's. That is WHY they say this is the worst crisis since the depression. We clear? Don't complicate it.
No, I think you are claiming that because you said 'x' and had an unstated argument behind 'x' that I was supposed to fill in that argument on my own or something. But now you've at least given specifics so I know what you were intending to refer to originally.
That said, as there restrictions on links and such in the comments field (meaning it's hard to reference sources), if you would like to continue this discussion I suggest you send me a PM.
"My problem with Libertarians is that they do not have preventative approaches in lieu of regulation. "
Well...Let me allay your worry: Libertarians are OK with regulations, provided they don't originate through executive power. Contracts should be enforced by government. Resolving disputes is one of government's basic duties.
@caltrop69 Libertarians seem not OK if any legislation bars access to any public good to the fastest and greediest grabber. If someone diggs for oil in a manner, that threatens a whole coastline with pollution, which contract could be enforced to stop him?
this is so funny, the bald dude (too lazy to rewind to read his name) got his ass handed to him by the very smart informed gentleman. WHo is this guy? Best interview ive ever seen explaining the truth about the tea party movement.
this is so funny, the bald dude (too lazy to rewind to read his name) got his ass handed to him by the very smart informed gentleman. WHo is this guy? Best interview ive ever seen explaining the truth about the tea party movement.
this is so funny, the bald dude (too lazy to rewind to read his name) got his ass handed to him by the very smart informed gentleman. WHo is this guy? Best interview ive ever seen explaining the truth about the tea party movement.
@catgumart why dont you go live in one of those countries for five years and come tell us how it went for you, then we can decide if its worth the CHANGE.
1. The countries that have more socialism-like Norway or France or countries like that even Canada-I wouldn't mind living in---But anyways I live here now and it is really unrealistic to thin that I would just decide to move-I couldn't move if I wanted to-2. if you mean China or Russia or North Korea when you say "those other countries", every one knows that those countries though they called themselves communist, that they were totalitarian states & that democracy didn't exist.
furthur it isn't common for people to change countries like they would change a shirt they don't like--Maybe people in the military or people who take jobs over seas --but in general people grow up and acclimate to the land they were born and raised in plus-moving requires money- if someone is a wage slave or welfare or anywhere along the underclass spectrum in America and they don't like it- they don't really have an option to just up and move--
Libertarian philosophy strikes me as selfish, & inconsiderate, immature-some aspects of libertarianism I can agree with when it comes to some things--but I think libertarianism disregards other people in their struggle ignores the interrelatedness of society-as well as prioritizes means to the libertarian's own success,while remaining callous/indifferent/aloof to suffering around them.They have an unrealistic notion that people can be helped through private means without backing by law.
@dalecampbl5 At least people can't hide from reality. Reaganomics is finally being seen as horrible for the economy, and for the morale of the country; letting people fend for themselves works in the short term for the country, but it leaves 95% of the population out in the cold in the long term.
I think people hope for the best and trust people too easily that seem to have their background, therefore, they give them the benefit of the doubt even when things are falling apart.
@dalecampbl5 I think Obama needs to worry about the country and not Republican or Democrat.
Once the Healthcare bill is finally seen as being in the best interest of the people, and everyone realizes they misjudged it in the same way they misjudged bailout of the banks. Hopefully when that happens, the media will stop using public polls to make complex policy decisions.
The people have the power to vote for elected officials, and not the right to vote on every policy.
@Venue0309 Americans have the "longest" time period to realize when something is in their best interest...we have grown to be TOO complacent and allowed idiots like Reagan, Bush and Bush II piss away our wealth
The bank bailout was necessary. If the big banks failed, 9/10th of people's deposits would have been lost. And since their is something called the FDIC, the government would have been on the hook to cover all that money. We are talking about trillions of dollars. There is no doubt, that would have bankrupted this country.
The solution to this whole problem is getting good, strong financial reform in place. Make banks pay that way!
@Venue0309 exactly, it's not like obama bailed them out because he wanted to add to the corruption...you can't have the banks fail, but you can "regrow" them and make them productive again, but the disease known as the GOP will stop at nothing to whine, bitch, and filibuster anything obama does without coming up w/real solutions of their own. Obama has done a great job so far of going forward, leaving the pussy ass GOP to whine on their own, and taking America forward, FUCK you GOP, u puss ass
Damn those demonic Democrats who want everyone to be safe and healthy! Dont they realize we have a RIGHT to be sick and die because we cant afford lifesaving treatment? Do they care more about people than corporations like Humana, Bristol-Myers
The Federal gov may take on debts but creating money out of thin air is different from taking on a debt. Worse the Fed is not a government entity but a public private partnership. Congress may incur debts but the constitution does not allow congress to give this power to any third party. Congress can vote to find a willing creditor to lend them a specific amount of money but may not delegate that authority to a private bank, let alone one operating in secrecy.
What is it with Americans and supporting stupid ideologies? If the movement isn't 100% hostile to Sarah Palin, it's hopeless to expect them to be smart enough to improve things.
This guy could not have been at the 9/12 event and saw only 100,000 people. I was there at the front of the crowd in front of the stairs and it's well known that attendance was well over one million people.
everyone thinks they are experts on the tea parties when they don't even know how and when it started these people were protesting SINCE 2007 AGAINST BUSH it started even before that but thats when they got really organized, ron paul ,alex jones, 9/11 truth, etc. the real movement is about our rights getting trampled and the bankers abusing wall street and having us pay for it, and government lies, what happen is the Republicans tried to take them over, and they fought it
"Authority comes from being congruent from natural law, God's law. Power comes from the barrel of a gun. The federal government is all power and no authority. The Constitutional Congress is all authority and no power. So we're faced with this question:Do we condone a rebellious government and become an accessory to that with our compliance, or do we come together and try to find a way to put force, put power with that authority?"
tea party is nothing but a movement FUNDED by big business and made to look like grass roots. with unemployment so high, where the fuck do people even find the time to "protest" and not finding time to find a job. the core of the tea party movement are made up by a bunch of hacks. After limiting the constitution and cutting taxes we are already in this mess. Barrack Obama is not a Socialist, 90% of these people don't even know what SOcialism is. Fuck you tea party hacks.
@dalecampbl5 Funny, on the one hand you deride people for claiming President Obama is something that [you claim] he is not, while at the same time hurling unfounded allegations about their genuineness. Outstanding.
Republican members of the Supreme Court voted to give corporations power to use unlimited amounts of money from their treasuries to use on the politician of their choice. It took Barack Obama years to raise 700 million from 5 million donors. One large corporation earns billions in profits, in a few months. Democracy in the U.S. died on 1/21/10.
@stanjz Give it a rest. Conservatism is conservatism. Corporatism is corporatism. I don't see you getting all worked up over GE's ties to the Obama administration. If you think the so-called liberals of the Democratic Party aren't shilling for major corporations and that only the conservatives of the Republican Party are, you need to loosen up your tinfoil hat a bit. It's clearly cutting off circulation.
@Anakha13 it's undeniable that corporations influence both parties, but the DEMs aren't as knee deep in it as the GOP...the DEMs might have to work with the corporations because you cannot destroy them, also corporations are not 100% evil 100% of the time, but in the end I believe the DEMs are regulating them while letting corporations do their thing, GOP would just let them run this country and produce slave labor...its hard to argue over youtube, but lets just make this clear, GOP sucks!
@dalecampbl5 Then you're not looking hard enough, or are ignorant of the history of Federal regulation of large corporations, or your own personal biases are blinding you to both. My money's on the latter.
@Anakha13 I don't look hard enough? i don't have to look hard to see banks failing everywhere, recession everywhere, health care going up up up, and two wars bush got us into...but when GW Bush was in office there were no tea partiers parading against bush spending, what a hypocritical movement, what a ton of fat fucken lies. some in there are purposefully misleading, other in that group are unwittingly being mislead, to those people, stop voting/parading against your own best interest!!!!
I must say this man here is an actual libertarian and this interview was really well done and very specific on his views and opinions.
What I get from tea party members is the exact opposite, the members don't know and want to side with the republican politicians that don't want to actually solve this financial problem of health care or banking.
I am getting a lot of flack here for calling people involved in the tea party movement as "tea baggers". It may be naive, but I had no idea this was a derogatory term that meant something else. I won't use it again. - Paul Jay
@TheRealNews Teabagging is originally a derogatory sexual term (trying to keep it classy so I wont fully explain here) that somehow became politicly mainstream because 'tea party' and 'teabag' both have the word 'tea' in them. Honest mistake, keep up the great work :)
@TheRealNews Let me be blunt here: tea bagging refers to placing a man's testicles in your mouth. It's VERY derogatory, and many tea partiers know exactly what it means. Needless to say, its frequent use in the liberal media promotes divisiveness and is backfiring in the sense that it motivates people to more actively in the movement. Note to the liberal media: you're not that clever in calling us "tea baggers," you come off as bigoted, out of touch jerks.
I supported Ron Paul & attended a # of his rallies, but I never once saw racist signs or heard racist comments like those I've noticed at the tea-parties.
Yeah um your tea party is was an actual grass movement that had concrete goals and policy the big one being get Ron Paul to be POTUS.
This tea party movement is quite simply corrupt with astroturf funders that their funders come from washington and corporations. Also their message isn't concrete with policy to solve problems but to complain and crap on other peoples solutions to the problem.
The anchor is a spoiled brat liberal who doesn't even have the ability to withhold name-calling throughout the entire interview.
8:15 After calling them teabaggers many times "The...Tea...movement, I don't know how to call them after you told them not to call them teabaggers" hhahhaha so funny, how about "Tea Party" it's not like it's hard.
Set aside your petty name-calling long enough to pretend you're a journalist.
"The Real News", what you can get on tv is more fair than this
2007-2008 Ron Paul movement was much better - a mix of libertarians, independents, and liberals. (i.e THE REAL DEAL)
2009-2010 Tea Party = Far too many Reagan-Cons (GOP hijacked). (i.e GOP WOLVES IN SHEEPS CLOTHING)
I don't like the current Tea party. The guest defended the tea party more from a Ron Paul movement standpoint. These current tea-baggers cannot be defended and are completely GOP hi-jacked, Obama-hating, warmongers. They are not willing to make real, meaningful changes.
Kudos to you TRNN. I quite often dislike your stories because you so often pump marxist ideas, but if you keep up the type of debate that took place in the last third of this story, I just might donate. Rationally debating ideas is whats needed.
fox news should watch this to see what "fair and balanced" actually is, no doubt that the guest doesn't share the politics of the host, but the host didn't go on a tirade and spout off partisan catch pharses and let a man who held a different veiw give nearly uninterupted answers(the few interuptions were more to clarify the question than anything else)
The "Tea Party movement" is just like the recent "Anti-War movement" ... a large dissatisfied hodgepodge collection of disaffected people grumbling in opposition to the party in power.
They were whipped into partisanship by their party (who did so to win elections), then disappointed when that party lost and legislated in the center.
The only movement is towards increased insincerity and political game playing by the parties (primarily the minority.)
The tea party movement is being hijacked by Palin, Beck, and other neo cons who don't actually share any of the Tea party ideals. Its disgusting, and a shameful display.
You can't have an honest debate on the Liberal bias "Real" News.
Shonenut213 6 months ago
Lol, that's why I wouldn't mind seeing a Repub become President again to see if the Tea Baggers will put pressure on him or her.
RoonGang09 7 months ago
Ayn Rand was a moron who thought she could survive on her own genius but when cancer threatened to wipe out the little bit of wealth she managed to put away for her old age she changed her name and applied for welfare benefits. The queen of the Libertarians, a stupid bitch preaching to the ignorant. She had a modicum of success on her own but like other so called self made successes, when she failed and she turned to the state to keep her ass off the street.
logtype47 7 months ago
The TEA Party needs to be specific, and not just say "reduce spending and taxes".
WhiteStar11111 7 months ago
Meh I think Ron Paul isnt exactly the greatest. As a libertarian i think Liberals, and Tea Partyists are out of their Fucking minds.
Catstalker666 7 months ago
Why have a meaningful debate about important issues with people that may actually come to believe in individual rights along with small govt. when we can just assume they are not" real" thinkers like us and call them names. Stupid tea baggers. Meanwhile the Libertarian movement continues to stall, sputter, and shit the bed every November. We debate incessantly amongst ourselves. why don't we ever seize the opportunity to do it nationally when it can count for something?
AdUtrumquePeratus76 7 months ago
I hate the teabaggers.
LogicalFlawDetector 7 months ago
I was actually ok with the Tea Party movement till they got hijacked by the loons and turns into the Tea baggers.
It is a bit difficult to differentiate the loons from the good candidates in that bunch these days. Guess we will see during the campaign.
Neosaigo 10 months ago
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can I just say I'm not a Ron Paul purist and still a libertarian? His take on NAFTA and the WTO give me a little concrn that he might sacrifice the good to the perfect. Don't get me wrong, I'm behind his running for president but I'm always a little concerned by followings that are a little too boisterous and a little unreflective.
ThePythagoran 11 months ago
can I just say I'm not a Ron Paul purist and still a libertarian? His take on NAFTA and the WTO give me a little concrn that he might sacrifice the good to the perfect. Don't get me wrong, I'm behind his running for president but I'm always a little concerned by followings that are a little too boisterous a little unreflective.
ThePythagoran 11 months ago
@ThePythagoran He's very conservative in my opinion. He's pro-life stance and his take on economics are the bad sides. His disdain for big business and love for the "little guy", are the good sides.
freedomthrough 9 months ago
I've been a Libertarian since 1977 and I'm in the Tea Party. The core values of the Tea Party are Libertarian. BTW, the Republican establishment hates the Tea Party. George H.W. Bush said as much.
josephonwhidbey 11 months ago
LMAO He keeps saying Tea baggers!
SuperFastDuck 1 year ago
I'm convinced that Paul Jay isn't aware that there is another meaning for "tea bagger."
erismo23 1 year ago 3
Ok here is the difference between a libertarian and a tea partier. Libertarians do support freedom, but this is more of a "let it all hang out, no rules and no referee, if it feels good do it philosphy!! It would be nice to live in such a world, but people have to live, we have to work, we have to follow rules and the tea partiers know " freedom isn't free"
If you want freedom you will have to work for it and you will , at times have to defend it . That folks is the difference!!
unclefixer 1 year ago
@unclefixer Yes you have to defend your own freedom. A true Libertarian doesn't see a border because we believe in freedom. Any person has the right to work and live and be wherever the choose so long as they are not infringing upon personal property rights which are defended by the individual. A true libertarian state doesn't need to fight wars because it makes no claim on national lands. All lands are owned by the individual, private business, or local government; leaving them to defend it.
friday0408 11 months ago
@friday0408 But even in the Constitution it allows the federal government to raise an army right? (why would congress have the war power without an army). I am a new Libertarian so this is not a jab or hit on you. But it is still a party, a party that still has to abide by the constitution and the constitution says an army is needed. I believe in peace and free trade and see ur idea that borders are basically non existent because of those two things. More Freedom Less Government. Libertarian.
brixcity17 9 months ago
@brixcity17 But to have More Freedom you have to respect the Freedom of others. If we had such a state would it matter if someone from another country came here if they did their work, caused no harm, and paid whatever local taxes they were subject to?
Yes the congress can raise an army if they have the votes, but in a system like that would you really need a large standing army? Enough people in this country like to play soldier as it is, so you would have local Militias that could be called
friday0408 9 months ago
@brixcity17 into National service.
friday0408 9 months ago
@friday0408 If that means military. Never. Not until an army is on our borders would I advocate war.
brixcity17 8 months ago
@brixcity17 I don't advocate war. I said in a time of war. I am a Libertarian I don't believe war is ever the answer.
friday0408 8 months ago
@friday0408 Excepting of course an invasion.
friday0408 8 months ago
This moderator is a fool. He is ill-informed and pompous ass.
EMC1970 1 year ago 3
This moderator is a fool. He is ill-informed and pompous ass.
EMC1970 1 year ago
I am not a fan Bush. We was a huge spender and tried to impose moral values both which I disagree. also he was anti small business. Then again Obama is also anti small business with heavy regulation and healthcare reform both philosophies have failed IMO
ocpud2999 1 year ago
Is the tea party racist? Yes some are! As an African in america do I care? Hell no! We have all been played off each other to our detriment the civil rights movement was a major blunder & that legislation was used to enslave the entire nation as was the 14th & 15th amendments! It is ironic that the working class whites & Blacks salvation & common interests have merged. They must now set aside their differences to save the union & reestablish common law & a republican government 4 WE THE PEOPLE!
yahshuah29 1 year ago
@wtfjaftw Yes, but it's pretty much completely neocon, and with rather little libertarianism left within it.
madderbass 1 year ago
I believe the Tea Party to be the Christian Right of the 90's with a Economic Libertarian message. Thats suspended the "Culture War" because they know a consensus of americans don't follow them there. But I hope I'm wrong.
FRSFreeStateES 1 year ago
Perhaps some nationalized industry could revitalize parts of America such as Detroit;lower crime and help make america less dependent on trade with other nations,as well as making a tidy profit for private companies to help set them up.The devil makes work for idle hands right?
TruthApple88 1 year ago
@TruthApple88 did you just say nationalized industry? Seriously? You're a smarty ain't ya?
daPlumber702 1 year ago
@daPlumber702 I just wanted to see how people would respond; I know most Americans detest that sort of political and economic thinking.Though you have to admit Detroit has been abandoned by most big business-the only place worth living is downtown.
TruthApple88 1 year ago
@TruthApple88 atually detroit was put into it's current state pretty much by a form of nationalization.
watch?v=1hhJ_49leBw
that's a pretty good run down of what happened to the city, and how it went from being one of the largest single economies in the world during the hayday of "motor city" to being a run down cesspool. Quit giving the people living there incentive not to work, and to give businesses incentive to come to the city. Until that happens, they're completely screwed.
daPlumber702 1 year ago
@daPlumber702 I guess a good solution would be to do a Roosevelt number on Detroit rather than playing the blame game on political thought while Little Timmy goes hungry.Sure beats financing terrorism so the Arms Industry gets more money and the West gets the arab oil!
TruthApple88 1 year ago
@TruthApple88 a good solution would be to leave detroit the fuck alone and let them be.
daPlumber702 1 year ago
@daPlumber702 Now that's just silly! Who raised you? Get your mother please!
TruthApple88 1 year ago
Ron Paul is the true Tea Partier
bhughs77 1 year ago 24
The Boston Tea Party was completely libertarian. Anyone who calls themselves a "Tea Party Activist" and isn't libertarian is ignorant.
bhughs77 1 year ago
Matt Welch is too nice to destroy this man's simplicity.
erwinthehamsandwich 1 year ago
The Tea Party is somewhat utopian. They want smaller government without actually cutting government programs. They want less debt without cutting spending or raising taxes. They want freedom without civil liberty. They want an end to cronyism but they want politicians to end it.
Sadly it's very much like the socialism they oppose. It's got a good objective without any sensible means of getting there.
erwinthehamsandwich 1 year ago
The Tea Party is just one of those movements that was hijacked by the neoconservatives. It was a right-libertarian grassroots movement that just turned sour because it was hijacked by the Republicans (aka Neoconservatives). Once Sarah Palin became an icon of the Tea Party movement, I knew at that moment that the Tea Party was hijacked and was dead.
madderbass 1 year ago 28
@madderbass It look you that long to realize the tea party is idiotic?
FUCKMETALHEADPOSERS 1 year ago
@FUCKMETALHEADPOSERS No, I knew it was dying quite a while back before she became an icon of it, but it was the true confirmation of the death of the Tea Party when Sarah Palin became one.
madderbass 1 year ago
@madderbass Yup. And as soon as Glenn Beck started claiming the Tea Party and Sarah Palin we should have denounced them immediately. It is time we stand up again by ourselves without mainstream media, and take back the country.
NosoCOMINSOON 1 year ago
@madderbass FYI - the teabaggers were full of shit well before establishment republicans waved shiny objects to get them off course. The fact that this faux movement was so easily carried off message is a clear indicator that they were knuckle draggers all along.
No more excuses for stupid.
logtype47 7 months ago
@madderbass right but a poll showed that the tea party was 50% paul and 50% palin
trevorthemonkeey 5 months ago
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AscottW 1 year ago
TROLL
TheoMarkAllen 1 year ago
We shall see the error of our ways when the dollar collapses. This is coming. We're in an enormous deficit and spending hasn't been cut. It's going to get much worse my fellow americans. The bailouts and stimuli have been detrimental to our economy.
TheBattlefield2142 1 year ago
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TruthApple88 1 year ago
@TruthApple88 i hope i don't end up like him. so the tea party is a disorginzed group of mad people. fun!
wewantsainty89 1 year ago
@wewantsainty89 What did I write on this channel again?
TruthApple88 1 year ago
I saw some tea baggers drinking tea at the boston harbor,.... i almost puked. the founding fathers would be rolling in their graves...... sad sad sad sad
Drinking Tea + raising Taxes = bad
Throwing Tea away + WTF TAXES RAWRR???+ obama lowering taxes = AWESOME PATRIOT
xspawner90001992 1 year ago
Man that guy did a lot of tap dancing to cover the Tea Baggers.
mymojorisin 1 year ago 2
Learning a lot about the Libertarian party reading the comments. Could someone explain a little bit about their foreign policy? It would have been a shame if the Revolutionist let the Brits have their way back in the 1700's or let Hitler take over Europe in the 1940's to only take us on afterwards when they where regrouped and stronger. Not saying we should be in Iraq or Afghanistan but Iran has made serious threats against America and their nuke program is steadily gaining momentum! Help!
Blogalicious 1 year ago
@Blogalicious Iran has not threaten us that a lie project by the mainstream media that want to march Americans to war against iran for the sake of israel at the expense of more american lives and they do it with more lies of weapons of mass destruction, but u want to know libertarian foreign policy as our government is limited in power over the American people what makes u think they suddenly have full authority over the entire world and tell them what they can and cant do in there own country
gonzo361 1 year ago
@Blogalicious libertarian foreign policy has to do with a nonconfrentational if possible approach. Im sure if a libertarian were president and america changed its foreign policy, You would see lees of them hating us, if we stopped backing israel so much for instance. It would be more for an america minds their own business and stops occupying foreign lands type of foreign policy. You see it's americas foreign policy and lack of understanding of middle eastern policy why they hate us.
TheBattlefield2142 1 year ago
as a libertarian i dont support the tea party because it went from discussion of economic issues to people wanting to impose there religous views as laws and i dont think i would vote any tea pary members because most are neo cons willing to march america into ww3 and cost american lives because of there loyalty to israel as much as i dont like the democrates on how they been handling the economy we dont need neo con war mongering right now
gonzo361 1 year ago
@gonzo361 I'm a Libertarian and have been since 1977 I just joined our local Tea Party . The issue for me is smaller government and less taxation. If nothing else, I get to talk to those people and present Libertarian ideas. They know I'm a Libertarian and are open to our ideas. They have never even attempted to discuss their religious views but stay focussed on the mission of the Tea Party.
Things may be different where you are, but here I feel very welcome among them.
josephonwhidbey 1 year ago
@josephonwhidbey as a libertarian i think you should look at the bigger picture here they proclaim smaller government but then do a 180 on those views and want to continue the wars in iraq and afgahn and just as the troops leave iraq they ready to redirect the flight to iran for more american lives at the expense of israeli agenda a libertarian supports a free market and wants to end prohabiton that creates a blood market they support these blood markets by continueing the prohabiton
gonzo361 1 year ago
@gonzo361 As in any movement there will be people who differ on the particulars of various issues and not all Tea Party people think as you suppose. The group on Whidbey Island Washington has no foreign policy agenda. I've been at this a long time and I can tell you from experience that the Libertarian Party can't accomplish its mission on its own. If we insist on purity we will be very lonley indeed. What Libertarians need to do is to work with people who share at least some of our goals.
josephonwhidbey 1 year ago
@josephonwhidbey the divison that you are in may not have a foreing policy but nationali listen to the spokeswomen herself say that we need to strike iran to defend israel. this is the religous fanatics within the higher up ranks slowy leading independents and libertarians into a neo con agenda we dont need them as libertarians we need to fight to put our own media out there this is why we are such an d underdog rep dominate talk radio while libs dominate the news channels
gonzo361 1 year ago
@gonzo361 For more years then I can remember socialists and progressives have been working within the democratic party in order to acheive their agenda with much success. They knew they couldn't accomplish their aims alone; neither can we Libertarians. After almost 40 years of existance we have accomplished nothing if going by vote totals alone; but it's worse then that. Our country hae less liberty now then ever. The Tea Party is where some of us need to be just to talk show the flag.
josephonwhidbey 1 year ago
@josephonwhidbey the party been hijacked libertarians are not working within but weeded out look at the leaders and spokesperson, ron paul started it and the neo cons got behind the wheels so it could be there voice the tea party turning into a bunch of republicans but as a libertarian if you can trust people like palin and beck to steer the party in the right direction then i think your gonna face buyers regret in the future
gonzo361 1 year ago
@gonzo361 Ok, you didn't address my comment associated with the stateists alliance with the democrats. In world war II we were allied with the Soviet Union; they broke the back of the Naxi advance in Europe but they were Communists. Should we not have not had that alliance ? So my point is this; political action requires numbers of people with a common goal. The tea Party movement has it and the Libertarian Party never has, So I will tell you this; If I am weeded out , I will let you know.
josephonwhidbey 1 year ago
@josephonwhidbey because it wasnt a question. should we have even invaded germany to begin with is a better question? what you fail to realize is libertarians dont share goals with neo cons they are hypocrites who like to claim small government but just want there own version of socialism in like how they claim they defend the constitution but then want to get rid of the 14 admendment or free maket but endorse prohabiton sir your eyes are being poke by neo con they are using you
gonzo361 1 year ago
@gonzo361 You and I shall agree to disagree. I bid you good a good day and good luck.
josephonwhidbey 1 year ago
People are attracted to men of principle? Hitler? Charles Manson? Howard Stern? Glenn Beck? Richard Nixon?
The stupid vote is, and always has been, the swing vote. Stupid people are mesmerized by certain tones -- sound and style of speech, especially when the speaker has apparent super human self confidence, tells them who to hate, and convinces them there is a certain group who are evil and responsible for all ills.
This is the power of speakers such as Hitler, Beck, Rush, etc
IowaSea 1 year ago
@IowaSea There is a little more to that. we wouldn't (in effect) live in a democracy if everyone stuck to one party. Some people who swing are just memorized, some do out of intelligent study of policies. I think you will find the stupid 'swingers' are the ones that still haven't decided once all the proposed policies are given out.
behind Beck is the very much needed libertarian, small government, maximum rights, movement. despite the apparent hypocrisy of some of its followers.
TheAttackRat 1 year ago
@TheAttackRat very true. But this bullshit phrase "small government" is meaningless, really. It doesnt mean anything, but they think it does.
Still, Im glad the Tea Party is going, people sure as fuck werent allowed in the GOP, that was all money controlled. Tea Party has a lot of straw men to blame shit on. Someday they will realize -- its not THEM doing horrible things. Its US.
IowaSea 1 year ago
@TheAttackRat by stupid vote, I mean those retards who have no clue -- or concern -- for the complex nature of a topic. Take the Fairtax for example. A total farce, a literal farce,whose own leaders have avoided hearings under oath for 13 years -- for a damn good reason (because its a farce).
There are some very smart people voting for GOP for good reason. Same with DEM. But both parties need to get that stupid vote that is led by cliches, bullshit, and smoke & mirrors.
IowaSea 1 year ago
The guy -- Paul Jay -- is smart. the other guy blathers.
Mr Jay is right. The Tea Party is a creation Fox Spews.
Fox Spews has discovered these three truisms 1) Stupid people believe anything if the speaker is confident and speaks fast 2) Stupid people need to be told who to hate, 3) Stupid people love We vs They mentality.
IowaSea 1 year ago
@wtfjaftw
You are calling me an idiot because your opinion of what the law ought to be is different than what the law actually is and you didn't take the time to educate yourself on the law.
Yes, I think it is perfectly okay for the government to regulate businesses that serve the public. If you don't like that don't open a business that serves the public.
SamWiseGingy 1 year ago
@wtfjaftw
Insulting me does not improve your argument.
You seem to be confused about about what you wish your rights to be and what they actually are.
If you doubt me on the law read the Civil Rights Act Title II.
SamWiseGingy 1 year ago
@wtfjaftw
You don't have the legal right to deny service on the basis of race at a restaurant or hotel based on race.
Maybe you think you should but you don't.
If you think you should have that right most will consider you at the very least in alliance with racists.
But don't you go changing.
SamWiseGingy 1 year ago
@wtfjaftw
I said public accommodation. That would be a restaurant or hotel. I doesn't matter who owns it. All members of the public should have the right to us public accommodations. If you don't agree then you don't like the civil rights act.
It is hard to maintain you are not racists if you oppose the civil rights act.
But it is funny to watch the Tea Party try.
Don't you go changin.
SamWiseGingy 1 year ago
Rand All White Is All Right In Private Businesses Paul = Tea Party = Racist
SamWiseGingy 1 year ago
@SamWiseGingy = Sheeple reactionary tool
savemyplaylist 1 year ago
@savemyplaylist
I'm not running for the Senate.
I don't represent the Tea Party.
Rand is on record approving discrimation if it is private property, Americans reject that thinking.
SamWiseGingy 1 year ago
@SamWiseGingy People, organization, groups discriminate all the time. There's nothing wrong with it. The law was and is easily bypassed anyway, people need only to create "memberships" for their stores to get around it. People reject unreasonable discrimination nowadays because their hearts and minds have changed, not because they were forced to by the government.
savemyplaylist 1 year ago
@savemyplaylist
Funny how the hearts and minds changed after the law changed.
Lestor Maddox proved just how necessary Title II was.
Most Americans think the Civil Rights act was one of our more noble accomplishments. Not Rand Paul.
That is why the lable racist belongs on Rand Paul.
How dare someone suggest the an American citizen can be rejected from a place of public accomodation because of the color of thier skin. Not in America.
SamWiseGingy 1 year ago
@SamWiseGingy "Funny how the hearts and minds changed after the law changed."' As an example: Nashville's students attained citywide desegregation in May, 1960, and Greensboro’s Woolworth’s store desegregated its lunch counter several months after its sit-in, on July 26, 1960. That was 4 years BEFORE the civil rights act was signed into law.
savemyplaylist 1 year ago
@SamWiseGingy wrong, paul is libertarian. how on earth can you say libertarianism is racist?
TheAttackRat 1 year ago
the obama=hitler stuff isnt coming from the tea partiers like msnbc likes to bullshit its coming from the cyco far left larouche people
stjimmy111111 1 year ago
Palin is a mouthpiece. She doesn't get into specifics, she just speaks in generalization. She was chosen because she sound like some you would meet in a grocery store.
st4ticblu3 1 year ago
The economics ARE bad. Successful rich people create jobs for motivated middle and lower class and don't need bailouts.
caltrop69 1 year ago
Palin is a NeoCon PUPPET!!
drewstarr71 1 year ago
The interviewer needs to address the ridiculous and sickening Obama=Hitler rhetoric because that is a major factor. So many Tea people don't even know what fascism or socialism are. Matt Welch must be talking about a very specific movement outside of the general movement.
My problem with Libertarians is that they do not have preventative approaches in lieu of regulation. Let the banks fail. Fine, but the crime is done. How do you stop the stealing in the first place?
adamsfall 1 year ago
@adamsfall
What you're not seeing is that the regulations don't stop the crimes either. People are always going to try to cheat the system. The worst thing you can do is build the cheating into the system though.
andrewclunn 1 year ago
@andrewclunn So going by your logic, there should be no laws against murder, robbery, rape, etc. because there are people who break those laws. And, why is it that between the beginning of the depression in 1929 and the beginning of the Reagan era, there were no financial crises resulting from theft? Because, there was regulation. The S&L, Enron, and sub-prime crises all resulted from de-regulation.
adamsfall 1 year ago
@adamsfall
Your making two claims here:
First that I'm against laws against murder. That is wrong. What you are doing is a called a straw man argument. Don't put words in my mouth.
Second you are claiming that large scale corporate theft is somehow novel to today AND that there are fewer regulations now than there were in the 1930s. Both of these are not true.
andrewclunn 1 year ago
@andrewclunn Are you high? Seriously. Read my post again and tell me where I said that you were against laws for murder. Take your time. If you think that we should have no regulations in the market because people will not follow them, then it is NOT a straw man argument to illustrate the stupidity of your basic assertion that rules are pointless because nobody will follow them. Just.....think about it.
I am not claiming that corporate theft is novel to our time.
adamsfall 1 year ago
@adamsfall
"So going by your logic, there should be no laws against murder..."
andrewclunn 1 year ago
@andrewclunn WHAT I DID SAY was that for the 50 years between 1930 and 1980, there were no major corporate scandals because we had regulations like Glass-Steagall (1929), Securities and Exchange Act (1934), Federal Home Loan Act (1932) Banking Acts (1933 & 1935), Federal Credit Union Act (1934). Reagan began the process of weakening these. I did not say that ALL regulations came in the 30's. That is WHY they say this is the worst crisis since the depression. We clear? Don't complicate it.
adamsfall 1 year ago
@adamsfall
No, I think you are claiming that because you said 'x' and had an unstated argument behind 'x' that I was supposed to fill in that argument on my own or something. But now you've at least given specifics so I know what you were intending to refer to originally.
That said, as there restrictions on links and such in the comments field (meaning it's hard to reference sources), if you would like to continue this discussion I suggest you send me a PM.
andrewclunn 1 year ago
@adamsfall
"My problem with Libertarians is that they do not have preventative approaches in lieu of regulation. "
Well...Let me allay your worry: Libertarians are OK with regulations, provided they don't originate through executive power. Contracts should be enforced by government. Resolving disputes is one of government's basic duties.
caltrop69 1 year ago
@caltrop69 Libertarians seem not OK if any legislation bars access to any public good to the fastest and greediest grabber. If someone diggs for oil in a manner, that threatens a whole coastline with pollution, which contract could be enforced to stop him?
BusterXXXL 1 year ago
@BusterXXXL
You want to attempt your sentiment again in English?
caltrop69 1 year ago
Reason Magazine kicks butt again with the seldom seen tactic of 'facts' and 'logic.'
andrewclunn 1 year ago
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this is so funny, the bald dude (too lazy to rewind to read his name) got his ass handed to him by the very smart informed gentleman. WHo is this guy? Best interview ive ever seen explaining the truth about the tea party movement.
elsanchosoy 1 year ago
this is so funny, the bald dude (too lazy to rewind to read his name) got his ass handed to him by the very smart informed gentleman. WHo is this guy? Best interview ive ever seen explaining the truth about the tea party movement.
elsanchosoy 1 year ago
this is so funny, the bald dude (too lazy to rewind to read his name) got his ass handed to him by the very smart informed gentleman. WHo is this guy? Best interview ive ever seen explaining the truth about the tea party movement.
elsanchosoy 1 year ago
Wow, politics are boring.
StepIntoMe 1 year ago
I think democratic libertarian socialism is the best route-
catgumart 1 year ago
@catgumart why dont you go live in one of those countries for five years and come tell us how it went for you, then we can decide if its worth the CHANGE.
elsanchosoy 1 year ago
@elsanchosoy
1. The countries that have more socialism-like Norway or France or countries like that even Canada-I wouldn't mind living in---But anyways I live here now and it is really unrealistic to thin that I would just decide to move-I couldn't move if I wanted to-2. if you mean China or Russia or North Korea when you say "those other countries", every one knows that those countries though they called themselves communist, that they were totalitarian states & that democracy didn't exist.
catgumart 1 year ago
@elsanchosoy
furthur it isn't common for people to change countries like they would change a shirt they don't like--Maybe people in the military or people who take jobs over seas --but in general people grow up and acclimate to the land they were born and raised in plus-moving requires money- if someone is a wage slave or welfare or anywhere along the underclass spectrum in America and they don't like it- they don't really have an option to just up and move--
catgumart 1 year ago
Libertarian philosophy strikes me as selfish, & inconsiderate, immature-some aspects of libertarianism I can agree with when it comes to some things--but I think libertarianism disregards other people in their struggle ignores the interrelatedness of society-as well as prioritizes means to the libertarian's own success,while remaining callous/indifferent/aloof to suffering around them.They have an unrealistic notion that people can be helped through private means without backing by law.
catgumart 1 year ago
@dalecampbl5 At least people can't hide from reality. Reaganomics is finally being seen as horrible for the economy, and for the morale of the country; letting people fend for themselves works in the short term for the country, but it leaves 95% of the population out in the cold in the long term.
I think people hope for the best and trust people too easily that seem to have their background, therefore, they give them the benefit of the doubt even when things are falling apart.
Venue0309 1 year ago
libertarians are morons
dalecampbl5 1 year ago
@dalecampbl5 I think Obama needs to worry about the country and not Republican or Democrat.
Once the Healthcare bill is finally seen as being in the best interest of the people, and everyone realizes they misjudged it in the same way they misjudged bailout of the banks. Hopefully when that happens, the media will stop using public polls to make complex policy decisions.
The people have the power to vote for elected officials, and not the right to vote on every policy.
Venue0309 1 year ago
@Venue0309 Americans have the "longest" time period to realize when something is in their best interest...we have grown to be TOO complacent and allowed idiots like Reagan, Bush and Bush II piss away our wealth
dalecampbl5 1 year ago
its sick to call them teabaggers that is disgusting this is a legitimate movement
polkg123 1 year ago
The bank bailout was necessary. If the big banks failed, 9/10th of people's deposits would have been lost. And since their is something called the FDIC, the government would have been on the hook to cover all that money. We are talking about trillions of dollars. There is no doubt, that would have bankrupted this country.
The solution to this whole problem is getting good, strong financial reform in place. Make banks pay that way!
Venue0309 1 year ago
@Venue0309 exactly, it's not like obama bailed them out because he wanted to add to the corruption...you can't have the banks fail, but you can "regrow" them and make them productive again, but the disease known as the GOP will stop at nothing to whine, bitch, and filibuster anything obama does without coming up w/real solutions of their own. Obama has done a great job so far of going forward, leaving the pussy ass GOP to whine on their own, and taking America forward, FUCK you GOP, u puss ass
dalecampbl5 1 year ago
Damn those demonic Democrats who want everyone to be safe and healthy! Dont they realize we have a RIGHT to be sick and die because we cant afford lifesaving treatment? Do they care more about people than corporations like Humana, Bristol-Myers
jayhawk88z 1 year ago
Rand Paul should reject her endorsement
captcrais101 1 year ago
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@greyflcn
Ok ill bite.
The Federal gov may take on debts but creating money out of thin air is different from taking on a debt. Worse the Fed is not a government entity but a public private partnership. Congress may incur debts but the constitution does not allow congress to give this power to any third party. Congress can vote to find a willing creditor to lend them a specific amount of money but may not delegate that authority to a private bank, let alone one operating in secrecy.
Raptoreyes 1 year ago
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Raptoreyes 1 year ago
Rouse people's fears and they will stand for and against anything...even if its a good idea that can work.
Rivan13 1 year ago
What is it with Americans and supporting stupid ideologies? If the movement isn't 100% hostile to Sarah Palin, it's hopeless to expect them to be smart enough to improve things.
Renegen1 1 year ago
This guy could not have been at the 9/12 event and saw only 100,000 people. I was there at the front of the crowd in front of the stairs and it's well known that attendance was well over one million people.
mysicta 1 year ago
The title should say "Libertarian"
davematherly 1 year ago
Hey says teabagger again and again, seriously.. It's funny..
coll1976 1 year ago
lol i love to hold people down and teabag them!
Ullbritt 1 year ago
they need to get an austro-libertarian on here instead of this guy t shit on the hosts arguments
chainzdown2dadik 1 year ago
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everyone thinks they are experts on the tea parties when they don't even know how and when it started these people were protesting SINCE 2007 AGAINST BUSH it started even before that but thats when they got really organized, ron paul ,alex jones, 9/11 truth, etc. the real movement is about our rights getting trampled and the bankers abusing wall street and having us pay for it, and government lies, what happen is the Republicans tried to take them over, and they fought it
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1TrueFreedom 1 year ago
This guy doesn't know rand paul that well. He hasn't said anything to me that sounds appealing when it comes to national security.
catbuffalo 1 year ago
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From Militia meeting: 3-2010
"Authority comes from being congruent from natural law, God's law. Power comes from the barrel of a gun. The federal government is all power and no authority. The Constitutional Congress is all authority and no power. So we're faced with this question:Do we condone a rebellious government and become an accessory to that with our compliance, or do we come together and try to find a way to put force, put power with that authority?"
itisaduck 1 year ago
tea party is nothing but a movement FUNDED by big business and made to look like grass roots. with unemployment so high, where the fuck do people even find the time to "protest" and not finding time to find a job. the core of the tea party movement are made up by a bunch of hacks. After limiting the constitution and cutting taxes we are already in this mess. Barrack Obama is not a Socialist, 90% of these people don't even know what SOcialism is. Fuck you tea party hacks.
dalecampbl5 1 year ago
@dalecampbl5 Funny, on the one hand you deride people for claiming President Obama is something that [you claim] he is not, while at the same time hurling unfounded allegations about their genuineness. Outstanding.
Anakha13 1 year ago
Sarah Palin has nothing to do with the tea party movement. This is nothing more than the right wing trying to capitalize on the tea party.
bsuds25 1 year ago 9
Conservatism=Corporatism(fascism)
Republican members of the Supreme Court voted to give corporations power to use unlimited amounts of money from their treasuries to use on the politician of their choice. It took Barack Obama years to raise 700 million from 5 million donors. One large corporation earns billions in profits, in a few months. Democracy in the U.S. died on 1/21/10.
stanjz 1 year ago 2
@stanjz Give it a rest. Conservatism is conservatism. Corporatism is corporatism. I don't see you getting all worked up over GE's ties to the Obama administration. If you think the so-called liberals of the Democratic Party aren't shilling for major corporations and that only the conservatives of the Republican Party are, you need to loosen up your tinfoil hat a bit. It's clearly cutting off circulation.
Anakha13 1 year ago
@Anakha13 it's undeniable that corporations influence both parties, but the DEMs aren't as knee deep in it as the GOP...the DEMs might have to work with the corporations because you cannot destroy them, also corporations are not 100% evil 100% of the time, but in the end I believe the DEMs are regulating them while letting corporations do their thing, GOP would just let them run this country and produce slave labor...its hard to argue over youtube, but lets just make this clear, GOP sucks!
dalecampbl5 1 year ago
@dalecampbl5 Then you're not looking hard enough, or are ignorant of the history of Federal regulation of large corporations, or your own personal biases are blinding you to both. My money's on the latter.
Anakha13 1 year ago
@Anakha13 I don't look hard enough? i don't have to look hard to see banks failing everywhere, recession everywhere, health care going up up up, and two wars bush got us into...but when GW Bush was in office there were no tea partiers parading against bush spending, what a hypocritical movement, what a ton of fat fucken lies. some in there are purposefully misleading, other in that group are unwittingly being mislead, to those people, stop voting/parading against your own best interest!!!!
dalecampbl5 1 year ago
Hahahaha tea baggers made my day! 10/10 love the TheRealNews
alnyz 1 year ago 2
@alnyz I know right!!!
When I first heard that term being used on teh news I was like "uuuh do you know what that means..?"
nelson3300 1 year ago
Welch is great. I agree with what he said here.
I am a tea party libertarian.
freesk8 1 year ago
I must say this man here is an actual libertarian and this interview was really well done and very specific on his views and opinions.
What I get from tea party members is the exact opposite, the members don't know and want to side with the republican politicians that don't want to actually solve this financial problem of health care or banking.
Luinreg 1 year ago
I am getting a lot of flack here for calling people involved in the tea party movement as "tea baggers". It may be naive, but I had no idea this was a derogatory term that meant something else. I won't use it again. - Paul Jay
TheRealNews 1 year ago
@TheRealNews Teabagging is originally a derogatory sexual term (trying to keep it classy so I wont fully explain here) that somehow became politicly mainstream because 'tea party' and 'teabag' both have the word 'tea' in them. Honest mistake, keep up the great work :)
xxxDirge 1 year ago
They chose their name. It's hardly your responsibility if it sounds ridiculous.
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bobjman 1 year ago
@TheRealNews HAHAHA! Man you must not get out much, or at the very least have very little exposure to profanity.
savemyplaylist 1 year ago
I supported Ron Paul & attended a # of his rallies, but I never once saw racist signs or heard racist comments like those I've noticed at the tea-parties.
DillonX 1 year ago
Yeah um your tea party is was an actual grass movement that had concrete goals and policy the big one being get Ron Paul to be POTUS.
This tea party movement is quite simply corrupt with astroturf funders that their funders come from washington and corporations. Also their message isn't concrete with policy to solve problems but to complain and crap on other peoples solutions to the problem.
Luinreg 1 year ago 5
Ron Paul 2012
kwillyou22 1 year ago 2
Hey folks. We must learn to work together. We are not gonna agree on everything. The primary focus of the TeaParty movement is fiscal conservatism.
HeeHawActivist 1 year ago 2
amazing to see fair journalism from reasontv...great job Matt
therealnews showed their true partisan ignorant colors!!!
PatricksTime 1 year ago 2
lol This host wanted to get teabagged. What a fag.
papavalium 1 year ago
The anchor is a spoiled brat liberal who doesn't even have the ability to withhold name-calling throughout the entire interview.
8:15 After calling them teabaggers many times "The...Tea...movement, I don't know how to call them after you told them not to call them teabaggers" hhahhaha so funny, how about "Tea Party" it's not like it's hard.
Set aside your petty name-calling long enough to pretend you're a journalist.
"The Real News", what you can get on tv is more fair than this
RuflessRecords 1 year ago
Right, Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity are sooo fair
destructicon500 1 year ago
irrelevant
RuflessRecords 1 year ago
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2007-2008 Ron Paul movement was much better - a mix of libertarians, independents, and liberals. (i.e THE REAL DEAL)
2009-2010 Tea Party = Far too many Reagan-Cons (GOP hijacked). (i.e GOP WOLVES IN SHEEPS CLOTHING)
I don't like the current Tea party. The guest defended the tea party more from a Ron Paul movement standpoint. These current tea-baggers cannot be defended and are completely GOP hi-jacked, Obama-hating, warmongers. They are not willing to make real, meaningful changes.
Quranite 1 year ago
yeah, Paul Jay just shit the bed when he opens his interview with" who are the tea baggers" what an idiot/asshole.
hugegiantfrogs 1 year ago
Kudos to you TRNN. I quite often dislike your stories because you so often pump marxist ideas, but if you keep up the type of debate that took place in the last third of this story, I just might donate. Rationally debating ideas is whats needed.
tarossi400 1 year ago
fox news should watch this to see what "fair and balanced" actually is, no doubt that the guest doesn't share the politics of the host, but the host didn't go on a tirade and spout off partisan catch pharses and let a man who held a different veiw give nearly uninterupted answers(the few interuptions were more to clarify the question than anything else)
TheEvolver311 1 year ago
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TRNN is an arm of the global banking empire masquerading as 'independent'
jaba987 1 year ago
"movement"
The "Tea Party movement" is just like the recent "Anti-War movement" ... a large dissatisfied hodgepodge collection of disaffected people grumbling in opposition to the party in power.
They were whipped into partisanship by their party (who did so to win elections), then disappointed when that party lost and legislated in the center.
The only movement is towards increased insincerity and political game playing by the parties (primarily the minority.)
crock703 1 year ago 2
The tea party movement is being hijacked by Palin, Beck, and other neo cons who don't actually share any of the Tea party ideals. Its disgusting, and a shameful display.