@jimbobuddy: Yep. Owned one, learned on it (1966 PA 28-140) and did spins in it too, all the time. Went up to 7,000 feet once and did about five revolutions. Could have done more of course but wanted that three-mistake safety factor or better. Recovered perfectly. They're spin rated as long as you don't have the "hat rack" behind the rear seat. That hat rack throws the CG off just enough to remove the spin rating.
Straight from the POH, " Intentional spins are prohibited in the normal category airplane and the utility category airplane when air conditioning is installed."
So as long as you are properly loaded and don't have air conditioning you are fine.
You guys are all wrong. Cherokee's are rated for spins in the Utility Category, and are very easy to recover in. I don't know what airplane you're getting this confused with. Maybe a Tomahawk? Those are a bit more dangerous to spin.
@jimbobuddy Cherokees are not rated for *intentional* spins but the POH describes the procedure for recovering from an *unintentional* spin. What this says to me is that the judgment and skill of the PIC are important.
Was recovery EP for this just throttle back then estab positive climb rate? Did this training as a student 24 years ago. No more due to safety concerns.
As I read my history the Cherokee[s] were great fliers and in 1890 they made an attack on Custer but it ended with most of them getting shot out of the air.
Not a great amount of positive or negitive G's really, a fairly undramatic event as I remember because you took recovery action after only one or two rotations much the same as shown in this clip. A good while back compulsory spin training was removed from the PPL syllabus in the United Kingdom, but having stopped flying a good few years back myself I am not too sure if current requirements re spin training have changed yet again.
@andyw92 Yes I had spin training included in my UK PPL syllabus (training in 79-80). Cant recall quite when it was removed, nevertheless I am pleased to have covered it in the practicle sense.
I haven't tried it but I was told by my instructor that it is no longer part of training because of "safety risks". You do know how to get out of one as part of the oral though.
Spin training in the US is only required for CFIs. There aren't much G's in the 140, some aircraft have more though as they tumble. This wasn't a fully developed spin though, just an incipient spin.
really nice video. holy sh&* i'm looking forward to doing one myself vry shortly. fortunatly with a competent instructor. ha my first intro flight we stalled 4 times. it was a bad flight but but fun. however the stall is boring now after that. so i look forward to this spin training. whoohoo
My IP and I spun a -140 several times. As I recall, you had to accelerate the stall and get a decent break before it would spin very well. If you didn't, you'd get a spiral. The good news in this was that I got to learn the difference between a spin and a spiral. If you didn't get the clean stall break and fell into a spiral, the airspeed would head towards redline FAST.
O.k. I guess it looks pretty similar to a steep spiral then, doesn't it?... Have to admit I have never encountered a spin before myself (And I really don't want to)
I guess that's true, but if you try to avoid situations that would cause a spin, i.e. stalling your airplane, you would most likely not encounter a spin... (if you're an instructor, it's a whole different ball game, tho...) I suppose, that the experience wouldn't hurt having spun an airplane once in your life, but I don't know, I just can't feel comfortable knowing there are people out there doing them intentionally for fun...
FWIW, I own (and have spun) a '67 PA-28-140, and my POH specifically allows spins, but only when operating in utility category.
Keep in mind, however, that spins not done in direct training for a certificate are considered aerobatic maneuvers with all applicable restrictions. I.E, Spin with your instructor, cool. Spin with your friend, not.
Eridanman, Keep in mind that many CFI's have limited Spins/Aerobatic experience and possibly under 500 hours TT. Spins are only required (1 turn) for initial CFI certification. I am a CFI myself (part time, part 135 day job)with aerobatic experience and I would say that spins are safe if you stay within the capability of both you and your airplane. If you don't feel safe don't rely on your instructor unless you really trust him/her. Fly Safe, enjoy the open sky.
You are absolutely right. My instructor actually took my plane up with another instructor to test the water with spins (he hadn't done them in years) before he took me up to practice skids-to-final. My only point was to get it out of people's heads that this is the type of thing that they should do to try to impress their friends.
too bad my flight school is in an airport 8.600ft above sea level the PA-28 is bran new but my flight instructor says its a bad idea to spin the plane at that altitude..
@jimbobuddy: Yep. Owned one, learned on it (1966 PA 28-140) and did spins in it too, all the time. Went up to 7,000 feet once and did about five revolutions. Could have done more of course but wanted that three-mistake safety factor or better. Recovered perfectly. They're spin rated as long as you don't have the "hat rack" behind the rear seat. That hat rack throws the CG off just enough to remove the spin rating.
eimb1999 3 months ago
Straight from the POH, " Intentional spins are prohibited in the normal category airplane and the utility category airplane when air conditioning is installed."
So as long as you are properly loaded and don't have air conditioning you are fine.
Mr172 4 months ago
You guys are all wrong. Cherokee's are rated for spins in the Utility Category, and are very easy to recover in. I don't know what airplane you're getting this confused with. Maybe a Tomahawk? Those are a bit more dangerous to spin.
Hondaridr58 7 months ago
@Hondaridr58 Actually not, my 1965 Cherokee 140 clearly states it's a Utility Category and is not certified for spins or other aerobatic maneuvers.
deeringdeluxe 7 months ago
@deeringdeluxe Well, my 1966 Cherokee POH and Placards clearly state that you can. I suggest you re-read your POH.
Hondaridr58 7 months ago 2
Dangerous...Cherokees are not rated for spin training
jerseyscampi 7 months ago
@jimbobuddy theyre not, they have unfavorable spine characteristics. I was put into a spin in an arrow and almost couldnt get it out of it
jeremyc311709 9 months ago
I was always told that Cherokees would go into a flat spin and be unrecoverable?? I lvoe spinning C172's :)p
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usukandcanada 1 year ago
VERY nice Video
captaingeary 1 year ago
@jimbobuddy 140's with the non-tapered "hershey bar" wings, similar to the tomahawk were.
Element94 1 year ago
@jimbobuddy Cherokees are not rated for *intentional* spins but the POH describes the procedure for recovering from an *unintentional* spin. What this says to me is that the judgment and skill of the PIC are important.
ManifestMiasma 1 year ago
@ManifestMiasma In Utility category, they ARE approved for intentional spins. Check your POH again.
Hondaridr58 1 year ago
@jimbobuddy the 140 is if you are flying in the utility category...
jeremypenuta 1 year ago
niceeeeeeeeeeeeee
fotisaiki 1 year ago
@jimbobuddy Most planes are spin certified as long as they are in the Utility Category. That includes Cherokees
Hondaridr58 1 year ago
Are you trying to perform a Split -S using that plane??
markvinas31 1 year ago
Things like that dont stop some people!
But that large planet under them will...
abus777 1 year ago
@jimbobuddy I remember my instructor saying the older ones were. Not sure though.
TonyAirlines 1 year ago
@jimbobuddy yeah that is what i have heard...
(70hr student pilot end of training)
sammyo219 1 year ago
The one I fly at school is. Utility category only, recovery altitude 3000 feet AGL.
marsgal42 1 year ago
Was recovery EP for this just throttle back then estab positive climb rate? Did this training as a student 24 years ago. No more due to safety concerns.
tcruz86 2 years ago
Some were. one of our 180's is the other isn't not sure why.
freon1978 2 years ago
I think that was more of a spiral dive than a spin. Of course, I've only read about the subject, so someone may be able to enlighten me.
DiverMcdivey 2 years ago
No, its a spin. A spiral dive is a very high speed dive and would not produce a stall horn in the nose down position.
RobertGary1 2 years ago
great vid =] i find it neally impossable to spin a 140!!! ive tried......and failed
alexjlps 2 years ago
As I read my history the Cherokee[s] were great fliers and in 1890 they made an attack on Custer but it ended with most of them getting shot out of the air.
linoleumcarving 2 years ago
Whoa reverse prop for the spin. nice technique ;-) ;-)
LethalHobo 2 years ago
do you feel really strong gs when u do tht? plus is it compulsory
kieranthinkssamisgay 2 years ago
Not a great amount of positive or negitive G's really, a fairly undramatic event as I remember because you took recovery action after only one or two rotations much the same as shown in this clip. A good while back compulsory spin training was removed from the PPL syllabus in the United Kingdom, but having stopped flying a good few years back myself I am not too sure if current requirements re spin training have changed yet again.
andyw92 2 years ago
@andyw92 Yes I had spin training included in my UK PPL syllabus (training in 79-80). Cant recall quite when it was removed, nevertheless I am pleased to have covered it in the practicle sense.
timber733 2 years ago
I haven't tried it but I was told by my instructor that it is no longer part of training because of "safety risks". You do know how to get out of one as part of the oral though.
IngazZagni 2 years ago
Spin training in the US is only required for CFIs. There aren't much G's in the 140, some aircraft have more though as they tumble. This wasn't a fully developed spin though, just an incipient spin.
-Robert, CFII
RobertGary1 2 years ago
Certainly brings back a few memories during my training on the 140 in the late 70's.
andyw92 2 years ago
really nice video. holy sh&* i'm looking forward to doing one myself vry shortly. fortunatly with a competent instructor. ha my first intro flight we stalled 4 times. it was a bad flight but but fun. however the stall is boring now after that. so i look forward to this spin training. whoohoo
unclebobscloset 3 years ago
It's been a long time since I've done that.
jmr604 3 years ago
HAHA those cherokee's have such wide wings. I like the tampico that i rent, great plane though!
Americanpilot1228 3 years ago
My IP and I spun a -140 several times. As I recall, you had to accelerate the stall and get a decent break before it would spin very well. If you didn't, you'd get a spiral. The good news in this was that I got to learn the difference between a spin and a spiral. If you didn't get the clean stall break and fell into a spiral, the airspeed would head towards redline FAST.
5113wh 3 years ago
Man you guys are lucky. I'm taking lessons in a PA-28 but it's the Warrior and the warrior can't do spins. :(
TonyAirlines 3 years ago
Just got find a Cherokee for spins. I don't know about in the US, but in Canada you are required to do spins for CPL.
jmr604 3 years ago
My 140 isn't approved for spins either..
:(
PA28140 3 years ago
Sorry, but this doesn't even appear to be a spin to me... Looks more like a steep spiral...
pilotman329 3 years ago
It's a spin.. if it was a spiral the airplane wouldn't be stalling.
jmr604 3 years ago
yeah..... thats definitely a spin, a small one anyways
SublimeForever 3 years ago
O.k. I guess it looks pretty similar to a steep spiral then, doesn't it?... Have to admit I have never encountered a spin before myself (And I really don't want to)
pilotman329 3 years ago
spins are great fun.. the more you like doing them the easier it'll be to get out of one if you ever find yourself in a spin unintentionally lol
SublimeForever 3 years ago
I guess that's true, but if you try to avoid situations that would cause a spin, i.e. stalling your airplane, you would most likely not encounter a spin... (if you're an instructor, it's a whole different ball game, tho...) I suppose, that the experience wouldn't hurt having spun an airplane once in your life, but I don't know, I just can't feel comfortable knowing there are people out there doing them intentionally for fun...
pilotman329 3 years ago
The first time you do one, what is the sensation?
I did my first Trial Flight today. :) Can't wait to start training.
Yoshark777 3 years ago
If you like the feeling you get in your stomach you know that kind of tickling sensation then you'll enjoy spin training
MuddyMississippiMan 3 years ago
What does he say just after the spin? " nice white kneepads?" Hard to understand...
mopar92 3 years ago
DAMMIT
my Cherokee 140 doesnt have shoulder!
cessnan121pp 4 years ago
FWIW, I own (and have spun) a '67 PA-28-140, and my POH specifically allows spins, but only when operating in utility category.
Keep in mind, however, that spins not done in direct training for a certificate are considered aerobatic maneuvers with all applicable restrictions. I.E, Spin with your instructor, cool. Spin with your friend, not.
Eridanman 4 years ago
Eridanman, Keep in mind that many CFI's have limited Spins/Aerobatic experience and possibly under 500 hours TT. Spins are only required (1 turn) for initial CFI certification. I am a CFI myself (part time, part 135 day job)with aerobatic experience and I would say that spins are safe if you stay within the capability of both you and your airplane. If you don't feel safe don't rely on your instructor unless you really trust him/her. Fly Safe, enjoy the open sky.
asrlb45 4 years ago
You are absolutely right. My instructor actually took my plane up with another instructor to test the water with spins (he hadn't done them in years) before he took me up to practice skids-to-final. My only point was to get it out of people's heads that this is the type of thing that they should do to try to impress their friends.
Eridanman 4 years ago
too bad my flight school is in an airport 8.600ft above sea level the PA-28 is bran new but my flight instructor says its a bad idea to spin the plane at that altitude..
niconick72 4 years ago
Cherokee 140's are approved for spinning if fitted with a shoulder strap.
captsamb58 4 years ago
My 72 says it is not approved for spins and has shoulder straps.. I wish I could.. that looks fun!
PA28140 4 years ago
It depends on the year and the loading.
RobertGary1 4 years ago
Very F. Nice been there... Done that... But not like that... hehehehe
Icarus08854 4 years ago
Didn't know spins were approved in a Cherokee.
ecarfar 4 years ago
Cherokee 140's are approved for spinning if they are fitted with a shoulder strap.
captsamb58 4 years ago
my 69 has no shoulder straps. P.O.H says its approved for immelmans even though I'd probably never try it.
Spayne007 4 years ago
Gotta love negative G's!!!
Raptor05121 4 years ago