I am no Calvinist, but a command does not logically necessitate the ability to respond. That is a logical fallacy. Man's will is not absolutely free, else he could chose to save himself. His Adamic nature prevents him from being his own savior. Thus man's will is not free so far as self-salvation is concerned. So much for absolute free will. Should I go on or wait for you to say that by "free will" you actually mean LIMITED free will? Step into that trap and you're hog tied :)
@theearstohear - Not to offend, but, your argument is a lot like saying "Because man cannot sprout wings and fly to the moon, this proves he does not have free will." Only Christ can save us and only through the blood of His suffering cross. Whether man ever thought he could save himself or not is immaterial. Freewill is not about choosing to do something impossible for us. It is about being able to freely choose between truth and error, the way of life and the way of death.
@offline111 - Don't worry, you won't offend me, brother :) I'll go you one further, my argument is PRECISELY like saying "because man cannot sprout wings and fly to the moon, this proves he does not have free will." The fact that this is so proves that the will is not ABSOLUTELY FREE but is limited by man's nature. You say that freewill is not about choosing something impossible, but Christ said "with men this IS IMPOSSIBLE." (Matt 19:26) I've roped off two hooves, care to go for three?
@theearstohear - Question: You don't see the point I am making here. Only Christ can save us, and Christ is Yaweh manifest in the flesh (1 Tim.3:16.) "Nothing is impossible with Yah", however, even Yahweh cannot sin. So, there is something impossible for Him. He is always true and righteous. He does not create man that he cannot choose to repent, and then "command all men everywhere" to repentance."(Acts 17:30) Yah does not create the masses for Hell, and a few for redemption.
(cont.) You agree with the depraved "pope" of Geneva. You call Yaweh a liar and choose error as "the light." This is why you do not have eyestosee, though you are convinced you have earstohear. All of Calvin's bent (who deny freewill) cannot understand Yah's foreknowledge, and therefore, are totally confused regarding election. They procede to share blindness, as light. They profess themselves to be wise, but have become fools. You also believe man cannot fall from grace.
(cont.) Why not watch these videos (all 3) before you make comments on them? The scriptures deny Calvin's teachings, every last one of them. He was wrong about everything. Yeshua said this, "...no good fruit comes from a bad tree." The Baptists have their version of Calvinism and say they are not following a man. Fine. However, they share much of his perverted doctrines of their own variety. In doing so they have denied Christ, His Truth, and teach His fear by their own precepts.
(cont.) There is no such thing as a "logical fallacy." It is an oxymoron. Only Yahweh/Yeshua can regenerate/transform/renew/wash by His Spirit. However, we must choose to repent to receive this grace. Obviously, one will not accomplish this without first wholly believing the gospel, having received a love of the Truth (Rom.10.)There is much confusion today about this matter. It is all denial of the Truth and enmity toward Yah, profaning the way of Christ. (Titus 3:10-11)
Jesus said that those who would persecute us, some of us to death, did so because they did not know the Father, nor Him.
John 16:2-3 KJV 2They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service. 3And these things will they do unto you, because they have not known the Father, nor me.
@Mcfirefly2 - Yes. That is the bottom line, unbelief. They hate God and the remembrance of His Truth. Because they hate Him they will hate His servants. Nothing new about this. .. from Cain, to Haman, to Esau, etc., same spirit.
@skoobalon - You don't even captilalize the "g" and you think you know YEHOVAH? (His Name.) The Protestants, Catholics, and even the Jews, have taken His name out of His holy scriptures, the true Bible. The Jews dont even remember how to prounounce His name today. Islam, Hinuism, Buddhism have no clue. Those who profess to know Yeshua The Messiah, they call Him Jesus, have taken the names of the Father(GOD) out of the old testament in thousands of places in Genesis alone. You think you know Him?
Good message, some people see a big dignified church and every one there is puffed up and they think is the life of the gospel, and people with out large backings are not wise to refute them and have nothing to stand on, and man with the truth of God make these devils fear so they lash out with the venom of snakes. Calvinism is of the devil. Yeshua is Lord. God bless.
@TheOringinalBRad - Popes of any kind, be they Catholic or be thy Protestant, are not followers of Yeshua. Nothing could be easier to see, but some never do. Amen. Thanks for your discerning comment.
@hisfreewill - Is everyone paying attention on this one? When the Calvinist's nakedness is unbearable for him.....the next "holy strategy" is to acuse the Bible believing Christian as an agent of the Jesuit Order. This is what Calvin did, and murdered both Christians and Catholics. This is how "the little pope of Geneva" ran his heretical business, even burning "heretics" at the stake, like Servetus and others. They claim Calvin's "absolute authority" did not extend to such executions. Rev.21:8
@euqsabtnatillim - Totally brilliant reaction to the Truth of God's Word. Congratulations. "I don't like what the Bible says....so I am going to embrace the idols God hates and burn in hellfire for ever." Great wisdom. The Devil wins every time with that kind of attitude. Keep it up.
17:12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled
@treasurytruth - Judas Escariot was an apostle prior to his fall "through transgression", Acts 1:25. The Calvinist position that there is no free will, but only predestination, denies the very existance of sin, for if a man cannot choose to sin he has no guilt of sin. Calvinism is spiritually bankrupt and is devoid of even a root of truth. I urge you and those who are blinded by their evil hearts to hear the Word of the Lord and repent of such folly.
@offline111@offline111 ....,,yes there is no free will.....free will it just like...do what thou wilt....it's satanic verse........judas...
jhon 13:26 Jesus answered, He it is, to whom I shall give a sop, when I have dipped it. And when he had dipped the sop, he gave it to Judas Iscariot, the son of Simon.
13:27 And after the sop Satan entered into him. Then said Jesus unto him, That thou doest, do quickly. ................................no free will...Judas just did God's will
@treasurytruth - When you sin is it God's will? When Adam sinned was it God's will? When Lucifer fell was it God's will? Is breaking God's commandments God's will? You are totally out of your mind and do not even know God. This is the result of a wicked heart seeking what it desires out of God's Word, and rejecting the rest. It is utter madness. The Bible says that God is known through His judgments. He burned Sodom and Gomorrah, not because they did His will, but because they refused to do so.
@changeishere2008 Isaiah 44:18 "They have not known nor understood: for He hath shut their eyes, that they cannot see; and their hearts, that they cannot understand." When the heart turns to righteousness and the love of the Truth is received.THEN, and only then, will God give them eyes to see. The LORD chooses their delusions (and their afflictions.) They follow other voices rather than His voice. This is the evil root of all false ways. (Famine, war, and disease are God's judgments on sin.)
I'm a Calvinist. This video was a big disappointment.
You say it is idolatrous to have a man teach us the Word. Perhaps you missed Nehemiah 8:8, "So they read in the book in the law of God distinctly, and gave the sense, and caused them to understand the reading." You say God doesn't hate sinners, but perhaps you missed Psalm 5:5, "thou hatest all workers of iniquity."
Why don't you make a productive video with exegesis of Biblical texts instead of foolish rants like this.
There is a difference between a man teaching the Word faithfully, and a man corrupting it. That is the point. If you go to a false teacher...you have gone to man, rather than to God. Faithful teachers teach the truth on God's behalf. Unfaithful men corrupt the truth on their behalf.....that is "going to man". Yes, God hates all "workers of iniquity"....those sold out to sin, reprobate of mind, yet He was still kind to Esau, was He not? Does He not rain on the evil and the just alike? .
Jesus said that His disciples would show that God was their Father by loving their enemies, turning the other cheek, praying for those that despitefully used them, not returning evil for evil, doing good to all men, overcoming evil with good. That should tell us something, don't you think? If this proves we are the sons of the Father.....what must our Father be like?
"The fool has said in his heart there is no God." I don't waste much time with fools. Have a nice life. You are as close to heaven as you will ever be.
Your mind is not illuminated. God's ways are higher than those of man and His thoughts are as much higher as the heavens above the earth. Man's heart had to be proven, thus the necessity of free will. If man would choose good, then man would be led by God to learn of Him and to find the way to Heaven. If man would choose evil, he would cause his mind to be darkened and become blind to the very presence of His Creator in the world before his eyes, as he progresses to eternal death/fire.
Being "made in the image of God" is to be body, soul, and spirit, three aspects to our being, yet one person.It does not imply that God has made us His equals. Man has a free will, and because man is not God, man sinned. God has made a Way of redemption through the blood of His Mediator, The One Who has declared the truth of God to mankind, Jesus Christ The Righteous. His Mediator is called His Son, and God said, "He shall be a son to me and I a Father to Him..." Jesus Christ is The Word Of God.
@hoosfan77 - Calvinists are just Protestant-Catholics. They never left Rome enough to become actual Christians. That would require them to return to the Bible wholly and reject all human interpretations of holy scripture. Calvinist doctrine does not exist in holy scripture. It appeared in the mid 16th century and negates what was taught by the apostles in the first century by the Holy Ghost. Calvinists hold to the Catholic trinitarian deity, and baptize infants as well, clear examples of heresy.
@offline111 Actually, I would say most every Christian believes in the Trinity, as the Church has believed for most of its existence. We are even commanded to Baptize in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Also, Calvinism is about as far from Rome as any any other Christians are. They completely deny infused righteousness, instead believing in imputation, and they believe that Scripture has authority over the Church. Reformed theology is NOT Catholic theology
Being indoctrinated in Catholic theology, you do not even know what a Christian is, nor Christianity itself. Catholicism has infused paganism into their cult and this includes Mary worship, the worship of statues/icons/idols, a eucharistic jesus that is not Christ, baptism of infants, the worship of their cracker god, a false priesthood that claims to be "another chirst", and their "infallible" popes that have the title "Lord God the pope." It is all obviously antichirst and always has been.
Careful Dannyboy, your prejudice is showing. God does NOT "require" free will...He establishes it. Man exercises it....because he is born with it. Some false religions tell their brainwashed drones that they don't have it. Some false religions say man does have it...but...but...but..there are limitations/restrictions on man's free will. That is NOT free will. Only an idiot will buy such nonsense. It is a blatant and very obvious contradiction. It is either totally free or it is NOT free will.
Your right in saying God is not unjust, He is just and merciful. Calvinism states that God has chosen some to recieve His justness, and others to recieve His mercy. You twist Calvinism's doctrine, you slander their leaders, and you take verse out of verse out of contex.
@Ridgetown100 -- Would you like to give some examples of where I allegedly misrepresent Calvinist doctrines, and twist the scripture? I have not done this even one time, by the way. If you would take time to read the comments I reply to you might see what I am responding to and that what I am saying is relative to what has already been said (not invented by me.)
What is your definition of free will? I hear this great emphasis on free, but saying free, while everyone else is saying free and then disagreeing only shows that the definitions are different. The problem is, people here are senselessly bickering because they never bothered to start at the beginning; that being definitions. As I peek at the comments over the years, I hear mostly two things, ignorance and anger from commentators. It is a sad fact we all tend to speak fast and think little.
@brycelechelt - FREE WILL is FREE WILL.,.....will that is FREE to choose whatever that person wants to choose. Without limitations, restrictions, etc. The ability to freely choose based upon the desire of that person. Calvinists will tell you that man cannot desire God, or to seek God, this is blindness and the scriptures are twisted by them to "prove" they are right......only proving they are twisting the Word by their private interpretations to suit themselves and support their traditions.
(continued) Changing the meaning of words by "redefining" them is a classic method of making the Word of God of none effect through vain interpretations. Catholicism, Calvinism, Protestantism, Mormonism, and all the rest of the traditionalist systems do this to their own demise. The Baptists do this too, Mennonites, Amish, Methodists, they ALL DO THIS. Denominations are NEVER straight with God, they are a branch unto themselves, so to speak. A froward branch, corrupting the Word Of Life.
If this mans definition of free will includes human nature, then his conclusion is wrong. If his definition excludes human nature, then his conclusion is right, however meaningless, and glorified man is no longer free. The Calvinist and Arminian both assert free will. However the Libertarian free-will position excludes the foundation of mans nature. If man loses his nature as a guide to decision making then the mans decisions no longer reflect who that man is because the choices are random.
@brycelechelt - Brilliant! So the Libertarian has found a way to separate a human from his human nature. That is even more foolish than Calvinism. Calvinism says it believes in freewill, but then in the next breath says man cannot choose certain things. Yet they still insist that man's will is free. It is insanity working right before our eyes. Only FREE will is FREE will. If it is limited....are you ready for this huge jump in discernment???.....IT IS NOT FREE WILL.
@brycelechelt (cont.) Arminius was a lunatic masquerading as a theologian, while pretending to be a Christian. He was the theologian that the Roman emperor Constantine favored while ruling over the Council Of Nicea. The Calvinists use terms like "dread Arminian", when hearing the Truth about salvation (it is conditional from the beginning to the end, as Peter said, "worse off than if they had never known God." 2 Peter 2.) The Calvinist calls the Bible heretical, because he is himself BACKWARDS.
To correct an error Arminius lived after the reformation. If nature is not included in the discussion of free will then the discussion is worthless. Man has choices. Those choices reflect who he is. If they don't, you can't know who he is. Men know each other, so their choices do reflect who they are. Its because men make choices based on who they are, and we call that nature. If men act one way, but are really another, there is no way to know them, and it's pointless to try.
@brycelechelt - Thank you, your correction on Arminius is welcome. I had confused this matter with another person, whose name I cannot rightly determine at the moment, but it was clearly not the Arminius in question. Regarding "nature"...the Bible speaks of the nature of man and that is the only nature of man there is. Man has the ability and freedom to choose what he may, be it good, or be it evil. Man's "nature", after the fall of Adam, is indeed fallen. This does not eliminate free will.
(cont.) "Faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God." God enables men to hear, based upon His FOREKNOWLEDGE of their hearts.(Lk 8:12, Mt 4:12, 13:14) He elects, calls, and predestinates, according this divine foreknowledge. "The wicked are made for the day of destruction", what they will choose in this life is "pre-judged", based upon God's foreknowledge of their hearts (that they WILL choose to serve evil, not righteousness, in their life. Examples: Esau Rom 9, Pharaoh Ex 7.)
All free will is self righteous.Because a choice is presented me does not mean I have power to choose.Presentation of choice does not mean freedom.There is no mention of God's Nature in free will proponents.Never do they begin with God's Nature.God is perpetual self existing life. He is Spirit Virtue,He is never Spirit without Virtue.If God suspended Himself which is what free will proposes,God's self existing life would cease to be. If you don't understand this think before replying
Mr.Polopower, your statement, "Presentation of choice does NOT mean freedom." You are speaking of "freedom" in regard to FREEWILL, or the FREEDOM TO CHOOSE. Correct? When you say this you blaspheme God, as it was He that has put into scripture the statements calling men to repentance, to "choose ye this day whom ye shall serve" and countless others. If man is incapable of making such choices....that would make God a lying rascal. You, and all your Calvinist brethren are blasphemers.
You used free will to choose to write what you did. God did not use you to speak. In that case, you are a holy instrument, and what kind of heresy would that be? If you don't understand this, think before speaking.
@vozuluzov - What in the world is a devoted evolutionist doing watching videos about Spiritual Truths? It is like a pig trying to fly....they are incapable of such things. Ye must be born again to see the kingdom of God. John 3. One must give up such devotions prior to seeking Spiritual Truth. That is what begins the awakening of the soul....which comes by the Spirit through God's grace. Yes, this will bore you twice. Nothing I can do about that. Sorry.
if the Spirit leads us into all truth, would you say that these calvinists are not born again.cause im on a christian network like facebook and they sure like to prove their points and look godly.
It is also written that God "giveth the Spirit to them who obey Him.." No man may speak in falsehoods and have the Spirit of Christ. 2 Peter 2 reveals false teachers amongst the brethren. These men were seeking to draw believers away form the Truth and to follow them as their disciples. Their ways were called "pernicious", or grievously harmful, even damnable heresies. Men may be saved and then fall away unto perdition. In that process they will influence many to follow in darkness with them.
"for the children not yet being born, nor having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to ELECTION might stand NOT OF WORKS but of Him who CALLS" Rom 9:11
"So then it is NOT of him who wills, nor of him who runs, BUT OF GOD WHO SHOWS MERCY." Rom 9:16
"For whom He FOREKNEW, He also PREDESTINED to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren." Rom 8:29
"Therefore He has mercy on whom HE WILLS, and whom HE WILLS He hardens." Rom 9:18
If you don't understand God's FOREKNOWLEDGE you will never understand predestination and election. This is the root of this matter. Calvin never figured it out. His followers don't understand it. This does not inhibit them in the least from spewing their blindness profusely as they demonstrate their folly to all that have eyes to see. Spew on. Jesus said it like this, "let he who is filthy be filthy still"..."let he who is holy be holy still"...so, let he that is blind be blind still...
@offline, The scriptures teach God MADE some for WRATH & God MADE some for MERCY! Why does He still find fault you ask?
"You will say to me then, “Why does He still find fault? FOR WHO HAS RESISTED HIS WILL?” But indeed, O man, WHO ARE YOU TO REPLY AGAINST GOD? Will the thing formed say to him who formed it, “WHY HAVE YOU MADE ME LIKE THIS?” Does not the potter have POWER OVER THE CLAY, from the same lump to MAKE ONE VESSEL FOR HONOR and another for DISHONOR?" Romans 9:18-21
You are most incorrect, as I do not "ask" such things, I know. God has spoken in His unchanging Word, thusly, "De 30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore CHOOSE LIFE, that both thou and thy seed may live:" and "Jos 24:15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, CHOOSE YOU this day whom ye will serve;" The righteous are an abomination to the wicked, therefore you call me a heretic.
Calvinism the most pernicious religious philosophy ever to see the light of day; it presupposes justice and yet also makes God the most unjust of all--yet attributes also to him the qualities of goodness and mercy; Calvinism makes as much sense theologicially as a square circle does geometrically.
@RPenta Calvinism makes as much sense as calling the popes and their bloody torturing inquisitions "holy". It makes as much sense as making "statues", bowing before them, offering prayers to those they represent, and then saying such a practice is not idolatry. The pot may call the kettle black, but they both are going into the fire on the day of God's final judgment. Only God's Words are the standard of righteousness, and forever so. God has declared it. He cannot lie.
@macolyis Just like the typical 5-point calvinist, using Romans 9 to try to prove their belief system. This passage in context is talking about the election of the nation of Israel and about national salvation; NOT personal salvation. Taking this and other passage such as John 6 and Ephesians 1 out of context to wrongly say that these passages prove calvinism. You are the heretic, not offline111.
@ILovestorms.. Mal.ch.1 speaks of Esau and Jacob/Israel. Only a small holy remnant is ever reserved by God, from Jacob and the Gentiles. God looks upon the heart, "the flesh availeth nothing..", Jesus said. It is true. In Heb.11:20 and 12:16 the Spirit speaks of the man Esau and there is a reason the Lord, through His foreknowledge of Esau, hated him. Ishmael (Gal 4) "the son of the bondwoman", and Cain, were also rejected by God. These men became "peoples", some of whom still turned to God.
@offline111 You believe God hated Esau the same way we use the word "hate"? I hope u haven't bought into calvinism. The word "hate" in that verse is a hyperboly, like when Jesus said in Luke that if anyone would not hate even his own family he could not be His disciple.
@ILovestorms God does not cast into Hell those He loves. The apostasy in doctrine and the erosion of understanding of Truth is progressing wildly today. God DOES NOT LOVE all men, there are men He hates. There are things He hates as well. (Ps.5:5, Ps.92:7,Pr. 6:16-19,Pr.25:21-22, Isa.63:10, Zech.8:17,Mal.2:16, Ex.23:22, De.33:27, Lk 13:27.) Those who end up in Hell are God's enemies and He hates them. The fraud of God's "universal unconditional love" is a blasphemy that theological liberals love
@ILovestorms (continuing) It is also written that God is angry with the wicked every day. When Christ returns it is not to give the world a big warm hug, it is to annihilate all who offend Him in this world, and all things that offend. He is bringing WRATH and FIRE to utterly destroy this present evil world. When He has finished with this CLEANSING, He will create "a new heavens and a new earth" (Isa 65:17, 66:22, 2 Pet.3:13, etc.) Jesus told His disciples to FEAR GOD. These are not hyperbole.
@ILovestorms (cont.) When the family of a believer demands he disobey God and deny Christ (to disobey His Word, corrupt Truth, etc.) they must be utterly rejected as determined enemies of God. The word hate in this regard is to despise their thoughts, words, and all they propose against God. The person must also be rejected from fellowship, personally, though they should be prayed for and treated with due benevolence. Fellowship with darkness when a child of Light is sin. (2Cor.6:14, 1Jn.1:7)
15and regard the patience of our Lord as salvation; just as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, wrote to you,
16as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which the untaught and unstable distort, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction.
@stupaod Patience in this context, the Biblical context of salvation, CLEARLY shows us that we must follow Chirst or our faith has been in vain. The word OVERCOME is found repeatedly in Revelation chapters 2-3. This is not a "set salvation" that God has created for some and not for others. It is a salvation that must be participated in by those who have received it through faith. Paul also said, "work out YOUR SALVATION with fear and trembling.." and "PERFECTING HOLINESS IN THE FEAR OF GOD.."
most Calvinist's I have communicated with have a similar attitude
I can't help but feel as though their hearts are as hard as stone
which is actually quite ironic considering the fact that Calvinist's often speak of the Pharaoh's heart being hardened by God
I think some of the passages are hard to understand(which Peter declared as well) purposely...because only inspiration of the Spirit can properly interpret those verses
Understanding must come from God and by His Spirit. The Spirit of Christ is the Spirit of Prophecy. It is the Spirit of interpretation seen throughout scripture (two examples: 1 John 2 "the anointing which ye have received", and 1 Cor 12,14 in regard to the "interpretation of tongues"... the Spiritual gift of languages given to certain believers by God's Spirit.) If we want understanding, wisdom, knowledge, we must only ask of God with a pure heart. Calvin didn't have one to ask with.
Noah and his family had to choose to obey God and build the ark. They could have refused to do so. They had the will to deny God if they chose to. Noah was a preacher of righteousness, as the Bible teaches. He preached God's Word to those who were alive in his day, but none had a heart for what he said. When Noah's family got on that ark it was because none that had heard his words, and had seen his work in building the ark, had a heart for God. That is why the flood came and destroyed them.
I was shocked at first at reading of the death of the heretic Servetus in Geneva which was run by Calvin. So, I realized Calvin was of the same cut as the rest of the worldly church of his day - thinking that Jesus' Kingdom was of this world after all.
Move all the way back to the path the apostles plotted for us, not to Calvin; then, like the passage of scripture Youtube name refers to, you shall find rest for your souls.
I always am suspicious of people who "amen" themselves. At any rate, you are making some pretty extreme claims. I wonder if you believe what your Bible says in Ephesians 4:11 and 1 Cor. 12? Are you sure all we need is the Scriptures? So we dont need pastors, teachers, etc. ? I wonder how much have you actually read on Calvinism?
@MrSuperchicken1 - All I need is God's Word and the leading of the Holy Spirit. That is HOW I know about Calvinism, by comparing his errors to the Truth of God's Words.
"If you cannot find FREE WILL in the Bible it can only be due to the fact that you do NOT hear God's Words. In that case, it is totally impossible for me, a mere man, to open your spiritual eyes."
That is a quote from you Offline, I have many questions about Calvinism vs. Arminianism etc. But your quote above says basically that only God can open someone's spiritual eyes, therefore, mere men can't do it. I am a mere man, how can I choose to open my own spiritual eyes?
@BookofMartin - Seek ye the Lord while He may be found, draw nigh unto Him whill He is yet near.....seek and ye shall find....when you seek Me with your whole heart..then ye shall find me.....if any many thirst let him drink of the waters of life FREELY.....it is not difficult....
To offline11: Why have these false doctrines (TULIP the ackronym) infiltratred seminaries, bible colleges and churches? Even baptists are embracing it.
@ILovestorms - Have you done a study on leaven and apostasy (falling away from the faith)? 2 Pet 2, 2 Thes 1-2, and all through the Old Testament when Israel has fallen from God....The teaching of "My fear" according to the precept of men is an accursed thing to the Lord. It is PROFANING His name...to corrupt His Truth and His Words. Leaven is the most powerful weapon in Satan's arsenal...but men have to embrace it willingly. So, the problem is still found in the heart of man.
Calvin didn't teach that you don't have free will. He taught that the extent of man's will is limited due to sin corrupting our nature. Perhaps studying Calvinism will help before making videos about it? Take care.
Oh, my "mistake"...so sorry. Calvin taught that man has FREEwill.....BUT NOT FREEwill. He can only choose what Calvin says he can choose. Sorry, but somehow that does not sound very much like FREEwill to me for some reason. Can't imagine why. I must just be silly and uninformed.
I believe Jesus, "Many shall come in My name and deceive many. Ye shall know them by their fruits.", "Judge rigtheous judgment..", not by "appearances"..but by His Word. Paul said this, "He that sinneth rebuke before all that all might fear." The Word is clear on judging all that pertains to the church of Christ. Peter's second epistle, chapter 2, goes heavily into this and the example is unmistakable. He utterly condemns men that are teaching false things. [see my vids regarding judging]
As a Catholic, I am somewhat on the outside looking in on the Calvinist-Arminian debate going on since the so called Reformation.
But to be frank, I probably dislike Calvinism more than the Calvinists dislike Catholicism (or Eastern Orthdoxy or Anglicanism)--which is a tall order. But to the Calvinists reading this comment. Your God is very small; if God could have willed all to be saved and did not, then Satan is the winner-the fewer in God's kingdom, the more in his.
@RPenta, Satan does not win because God brings glory to himself by applying his perfect judgement to those who are not saved and by applying Grace to those who are saved.
@RPenta What an amazing perspective. The one that has more servants is the "winner"? Wow!! The Winner has been building His everlasting kingdom for the past 6,000 (since the creation), preserving those who SHOULD BE SAVED, and without losing one to the Devil. Satan only gets God's discards, so to speak. Jesus said, re. eternal life, few shall find it. It is God's expressed will in the Bible that all men would repent and be saved. Man may fail of God's grace, but God's grace fails no man. Amen.
Geneva, Switzerland was the seat of Calvin's "church". He burned a man named Servetus. Here is a link- h t t p(colon) // w w w (dot) evangelicaloutreach(dot)org /ashes(dot)htm Read it for yourself. It is a matter of history. Calvin burned, or sentenced to death by other means, such "theological opponents" who declared him to be in error. Sometimes such "detractors" were correct, some times not. The Scriptures do not allow for execution in either case, proving him to be a reprobate, not a saint.
Tell me WHO's FREE WILL is greater? John 6:44 NO MAN CAN COME TO ME, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. John 6:65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that NO MAN can come unto me, EXCEPT it were GIVEN unto him of my Father. All I see is more anti-Calvin ignorance...
I am sure that is all you are capable of seeing, or will see in the future. You have missed FREE WILL altogether and it is throughout the entire body of scripture. I suggest that anyone interested in this "debate" read the remaining comments below. The issue is settled many times over. "Whosoever will, let him take of the waters of life freely." "Choose you this day whom ye shall serve." Etc., ad infinitum...
Nice video you have there ! To the point and logical !
I continue to be amazed how anybody could beleive that a loving God would intentionally predestine someone to spend an eternity of suffering in Hell without having given them a chance of any kind to escape such a fate.
That to me would be a sadistic God and not one worthy of either praise or worship.
"I stand at the door and knock..."
For what ? A programmed robot who has no choice in the matter? Supper with someone in a trance ?
@jsloan777 I stand at the door and knock is addressed to the lukewarm saints in Laodicea being called to no longer be lukewarm followers of Christ, it's not said to the unsaved, just for the record.
The entirety of the Word is profitable for doctrine, reproof, correction, and instruction in righteousness. (2 Tim 3:16) The book of the Revelation was written to all seven churches in Asia (Asia Minor today.) It was to be read to all of them, and is for the entire church of God. The warnings and rebukes apply to all churches throughout the last 2000 years. All who are lukewarm shall be spewed out of His mouth, not just the Laodiceans of the first century period, for instance.
OK you are trying to teach us what is your degree in? I'd rather learn from Augustine, Calvin, Luther. Edwards, Spurgeon...all who believed in predestination.
You will have to contact James White. I hear he has a mold in his garage and a statue under his bed. He spray paints them gold though, just like his modern versions of the "bible".
You must be commenting in response to someone that stresses the academic orientation of religious men? That is who I am....and I think you know that by your other comment(s)....If you want to reply to a specific comment.....then go to that comment and click on "reply"....rather than doing this at the beginning of the comment list....otherwise your comment will appear to be out of context. :)
@offline111 ...I reread this post....and realize that I should have proofread it prior to posting...sorry.....big typo!!! Where I wrote "That is who I am...." it should read the opposite way....."THAT IS NOT WHO I AM." Silly mistake. Sorry.
@offline111 i agree with you on but your perspective is just as contradictory. you say calvin was not a true christian cause he burnt people at the stake,but you take for granted that your loving jesus is gonna torture most of humanity in hell for eternity. how an that god have any moral authority? this a a god that needs his ego stroked and threatens violence to those that will not bow down to him, that is not love. that is slavery and sadism.your view of the bible is only an interpretation
The Bible is very clear. God is righteous and holy. Only those who have been purified by the blood of the Lamb Of God (God who became man) may be washed of their sins. God has taken the cross, the suffering, and has shed His own blood (Acts 20) that we may be saved from sin. This is the greatest love and the ultimate sacrifice. Only eternal blood may purge eternal sins for all mankind, forever. He made the payment for our sins so we may be saved from Hell. It is up to us to receive this.
How anyone could read the Bible and not see FREE WILL operating throught it's entirety is an amazing thing to witness. I suggest you read the comments made below and study the scriptures for yourself. If you cannot find FREE WILL in the Bible it can only be due to the fact that you do NOT hear God's Words. In that case, it is totally impossible for me, a mere man, to open your spiritual eyes. Only God can do that and only when you turn to Him with your whole heart. Seek and ye shall find.
One more very quick comment. So if God knows everything that will happen in the future. He knows who you are and that you will choose to follow him before he even created the world right? You seem to be a Classical Arminian if so you would answer yes. My question is this. Logically if God knew everything that was going to happen before he created a single thing could anything outside of his perfect knowledge even happen? That answer of course is no. So, could you explain how that is "free will"?
Do you not even know the difference between Omniscience and Predestination? Knowing is knowing. Predestinating is predestinating. The first is knowledge of something, the second is action taken based upon that foreknowledge. You people are so utterly confused, just like your god, Calvin.
Just because someone has different viewpoint on a NON-ESSENTIAL doctrine, does not make them a heretic. Saying Calvinists are not saved is a pretty arogant statement and without scriptural support. We both believe in salvation by faith. Calvinists just have different understanding of how that plays out. I believe in predestination, you believe it's freewill. So what!
The Calvinist position on "predestination" is corrupt. Therefore it corrupts the very Person and Word of The Living God. It turns the gospel into something that superfulous and not according to the heart of man to receive in the love of God. This is the greatest perversion of the gospel possible. God does not make some to be saved solely through His efforts and others to be lost solely because He does not choose to save them. This is profaning the very nature and being of God.
Revelation 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And LET him that heareth say, Come. And LET him that is athirst come. And WHOSOEVER WILL, LET him take the water of life freely.Mark 8:34 And when he had called the people unto him with his disciples also, he said unto them, WHOSOEVER WILL come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.Joshua 24:15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, CHOOSE YOU THIS DAY WHOM YE WILL SERVE.." t
No dancing on my part. You are the ones avoiding the verses and chapters that clearly teach freewill to choose God or sin. No Calvinist on earth understands the principles of GOD'S FOREKNOWLEDGE IN RELATION TO PREDESTINATION AND ELECTION. Now THAT is some kind of dance indeed, the dance of death and Hell. ...Calvin's dance. How do you people miss the connection between the Catholic "saint' Augustine and Calvin? The Trinitarian dogma of Rome and Calvinism? Blind leaders of the blind...
fatih is a gift from God...even the faith to believe! if that is true, which it is out of scripture, then why is there any more debate about this? God gives you the faith to believe. If God imparts that faith in you, would that not violate free will? When people pray for another person's salvation, if God answers that prayer and moves on that person that would violate their free will!
You have confused the "free gift".....it is not FAITH....it is GRACE..... We supply the faith....and God supplies THE GRACE which IMPUTES RIGHTEOUSNESS to those who believe on the Lord with all of their heart. We do our part....God does His. Christ made all this possible in the New Covenant, through His Blood.
Romans 5:17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
Jesus said, "he that is of God heareth God's Words....ye hear them not because you are not of God." Calvinists are "not of God"...that is why the Word rightly spoken appears to be "incoherent" to you and other apostate "believers." Heresy blinds the heretic that practices falsehood. Therefore, Calvinists are blind.
Free will is not in the Bible anwhere. The bible in fact only talks of the will as external (i.e. volition). I rather think that supposing we have a will apart from God's sovereignty is just another manifestation of our rebellion against God. We are fallen and we like to think we can do what we want without God's will. That's what arminian's believe is ok and it is also the definition of fallenness.
Everytime I read this Calvinist drivel it reminds me of what a totally blind bunch of goats these people truly are. I suggest that anyone even slightly considering such total nonsense to get an old King James Bible and run these terms through the entier Book with your Bible Software/Concordance....1) freely , 2) choose, 3) chose, 4) whosoever will/thirsteth/hungereth/etc. Just these should do the trick for you. There is, of course, so very much more. Good day.
I'm curious as to where you find the doctrine of free will taught in the Bible. The issue is not whether we are called to repent and believe it is how it is possible for spiritually dead people to respond to that call without the first empowering of the Holy Spirit. Faith is a gift that no one may boast.
FAITH is not the "gift", but GRACE ( Eph.2:8-9.) God's GRACE" allows one who, hears the Word (Rom.10:17 ), receives a love of the Truth (Jesus Christ, John 1:12, 14:6), and repents of his sins toward God with faith in Jesus Christ (Acts 20:21, Heb.6:1), to be SAVED/BORN-AGAIN/REGENERATED. This is "the gift", SAVING GRACE. (Rom 5:15-18.) We supply the FAITH, God supplies the GRACE.
Genesis 2:16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
Some confuse FAITH with GRACE, then compound their error by claiming that no man has FREEWILL to believe the gospel. FREEWILL is clearly the Biblical position from Genesis to Revelation. (KJV - Gen.2:16, De.30:19, Josh 24:15, Rev.21:6, 22:17) One must hear the Word, thirst for God, and then choose to drink/take of the water of life (1 Cor.12:13, The Holy Spirit) FREELY. Christ says further, WHOSOEVER WILL..LET HIM. Calvinism fails, yet again, to see. They have not the heart for it.
We believe that the outward call from the word is met by the inward call of the Holy Spirit thus regenerating man's heart and imparting faith that WILL cling to Christ, Chronologically we believe both Faith and Regeneration happen at the SAME time, but logically Regeneration precedes Faith since it is GOD'S work alone. We accept both the scriptures talking about God's WILL and our WILL, because men cannot live by God's secret WILL, we follow His revealed WiLL which is a call to repentance
This is exactly what I said you believed in my previous comment . You say God chooses man, man does not choose God. That it is God's will that determines who will be saved and man's will has noting to do with this. That man, though he has not heard the Word of the gospel and turned in repentance to Christ, is "given a new heart of faith" and saved. God has cursed Calvin and his followers in Gal.1:6-11. You preach "another gospel", and deny Chist. Claiming to be wise you have become fools.
HAHAHA, this is stupid, of course every Calvinist believes that man makes choices, but behind every choice is a desire, and we believe that men only will desire evil until they are given a new heart (circumcision/baptism) then they can desire Christ and good works in His name. So please study up more on Calvinism so that you don't make a fool of yourself ; )
A Calvinist (a follower of a man) believes that God must first change a man's heart, before that man may be saved. Yet, you do not see that this requires salvation prior to repentance. Therefore, it is not man's response to hearing the Wrod of God, but God's creating in him a "new heart", that saves a man. The man has nothing to do with this. His will is immaterial. It is God who chooses and saves, whosoever He will, rather than "whosoever believeth.", and "whosoever will." Clearly, rank heresy
Sorry, but I don't have any idea why you are saying this. I have not said a man is justified by any part of Moses' Law. Nor have I said we are justified by baptism. We justify God by being baptized, in that we declare Christ to be faithful and true and to have saved us according to His Word. This does not justify us, but Christ. (Gal.3:8) Once we are saved, we must keep the Word diligently and walk in the Light circumspectly, or be found to be "foolish virgins" (Mt. 25,2 Pet 1,1John 1, etc.)
Amen Brother! You are spot on. If it is impossible to forfeit your salvation, then why do I even go to church? Why don't I just go back to drinking and start using drugs and hanging out in the caSINos? God doesn't drag me to church because I am saved. I go of my own FREE WILL because I CHOSE to accept him of my own FREE WILL. Choose this day who you will serve, go and sin nor more, and many more quotes prove just how blinded to the truth Calvanists are. Great video offline111
This guy does not know what he is talking about. This is a good evidence of how you should not talk about something you do not understand. He should actually read and study True Calvanism which is nothing more than True Christianity
Calvinism began with Augustine, a Catholic "saint", and was furthered by Calvin. Calvin "multiplied" the iniquity and hypocrisy. This abomination arose, in regard to John Calvin, in the mid 17th century. Christ did not teach it, the apostles did not teach it, the church of Jesus Christ did not teach it, yet you claim it is "True Christianity." Such is the blindness of men that refuse the Word of God, the Spirit of Christ, and embrace the vainity of the traditions of sinful men. Congratulations.
Hello, I will gladly debate with you on the conditions that we do not enter in to a name calling argument but a scholarly debate with scripture and history to back ourselves up. I think this actually is edifying and could help us and many more to decide where they stand on the Doctrines of Grace. Do you agree?
As far as Calvanism starting with Augustine, I would disagree and claim that the it started with God choosing Isreal.
Election goes back prior to the very foundation of the world, even the angels have elect angels and those who are not. The same would apply to seraphim and cherubim. Calvinism falls short, yet again, it iwll always be short, as it comes from blind leaders of the blind, all of whom are already in a hopeless ditch. The Word of God is to be believed and obeyed. Not debated. If a man debates what God has said, he has not heard it, and does not keep it himself. You justify vanity. What is to debate?
Isaiah 58:4 Behold, ye fast for strife and DEBATE, and to smite with the fist of wickedness: ye shall not fast as ye do this day, to make your voice to be heard on high. (Rom 1:28-32 )Rom 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, DEBATE, deceit, malignity; whisperers,...(see vs.28-32)
Calvin is in Hell and all who uphold him shall burn with him. Calvinism has persecuted the church of Christ, as Rome, it's mother.
very well said. i also have debated a person here in youtube, he didnt say he was a calvinist but he pretty much sound like it. that God choses selected people to love and the reason you believe in God is that God made you to believe Him and He also mede evil people evil... and this guy uses Romans 9:11-21 as an excuse LOL. i guess repentance has no use after all if calvinism is true.
In Calvinist theology election is arbitrary, based on God's "divine whim.". Their big problem is that they throw out God's foreknowledge of the hearts of men. Eph 1:4 speaks on God's choosing, and predestination of His saints "before the foundation of the world." This may only be truly understood by the light of God's foreknowledge. (Acts2:23, 1Pet 1:2) Daily, God grants ears to hear only to those with the right heart toward Him (though, He knew all men before the foundation of the earth.)
Rom 1 is very clear. The invisible things of God may be known by all men by studying what He has made that is visible. Man is therefore "without excuse". If God made man so that he could not find Him, then man has an excuse. All men must reject God to miss His saving grace. They must choose to NOT SEEK HIM. This is the practice of UNBELIEF. "..he that believeth not is condemned already" (John 3:18), as they have NOT believed the Truth of Christ and been saved by His grace.
God has foreknown, chosen, and predestinated, all who will love Him in Spirit and Truth. He "elects" these from "before the foundation of the earth." He makes a way for them to hear the saving gospel, knowing they will receive it and be saved. Those He knows will not "receive a love of the Truth" are not provided for in this fashion. Still, the gospel is preached to many who will not believe. Election must be made sure through "dilligence" in holiness(2 Pet 1.) All must be found faithful.
Calvinists often call this sound Biblical understanding as "that dread Arminianism". It is not the teaching of Arminius, but the teaching of the Bible, throughout. The saints of God are both predestinated AND held accountable for what we do with this gift from God. The parable of the talents is a good example, also that of the ten virgins (Mt 25.) Calvin was warped in his understanding of these things and makes God out to be a liar and a hypocrite (blasphemy.) They cannot see what they do.
I am no Calvinist, but a command does not logically necessitate the ability to respond. That is a logical fallacy. Man's will is not absolutely free, else he could chose to save himself. His Adamic nature prevents him from being his own savior. Thus man's will is not free so far as self-salvation is concerned. So much for absolute free will. Should I go on or wait for you to say that by "free will" you actually mean LIMITED free will? Step into that trap and you're hog tied :)
theearstohear 1 month ago
@theearstohear - Not to offend, but, your argument is a lot like saying "Because man cannot sprout wings and fly to the moon, this proves he does not have free will." Only Christ can save us and only through the blood of His suffering cross. Whether man ever thought he could save himself or not is immaterial. Freewill is not about choosing to do something impossible for us. It is about being able to freely choose between truth and error, the way of life and the way of death.
offline111 1 month ago
@offline111 - Don't worry, you won't offend me, brother :) I'll go you one further, my argument is PRECISELY like saying "because man cannot sprout wings and fly to the moon, this proves he does not have free will." The fact that this is so proves that the will is not ABSOLUTELY FREE but is limited by man's nature. You say that freewill is not about choosing something impossible, but Christ said "with men this IS IMPOSSIBLE." (Matt 19:26) I've roped off two hooves, care to go for three?
theearstohear 1 month ago
@theearstohear - Question: You don't see the point I am making here. Only Christ can save us, and Christ is Yaweh manifest in the flesh (1 Tim.3:16.) "Nothing is impossible with Yah", however, even Yahweh cannot sin. So, there is something impossible for Him. He is always true and righteous. He does not create man that he cannot choose to repent, and then "command all men everywhere" to repentance."(Acts 17:30) Yah does not create the masses for Hell, and a few for redemption.
offline111 1 month ago
(cont.) You agree with the depraved "pope" of Geneva. You call Yaweh a liar and choose error as "the light." This is why you do not have eyestosee, though you are convinced you have earstohear. All of Calvin's bent (who deny freewill) cannot understand Yah's foreknowledge, and therefore, are totally confused regarding election. They procede to share blindness, as light. They profess themselves to be wise, but have become fools. You also believe man cannot fall from grace.
offline111 1 month ago
(cont.) Why not watch these videos (all 3) before you make comments on them? The scriptures deny Calvin's teachings, every last one of them. He was wrong about everything. Yeshua said this, "...no good fruit comes from a bad tree." The Baptists have their version of Calvinism and say they are not following a man. Fine. However, they share much of his perverted doctrines of their own variety. In doing so they have denied Christ, His Truth, and teach His fear by their own precepts.
offline111 1 month ago
(cont.) There is no such thing as a "logical fallacy." It is an oxymoron. Only Yahweh/Yeshua can regenerate/transform/renew/wash by His Spirit. However, we must choose to repent to receive this grace. Obviously, one will not accomplish this without first wholly believing the gospel, having received a love of the Truth (Rom.10.)There is much confusion today about this matter. It is all denial of the Truth and enmity toward Yah, profaning the way of Christ. (Titus 3:10-11)
offline111 1 month ago
Jesus said that those who would persecute us, some of us to death, did so because they did not know the Father, nor Him.
John 16:2-3 KJV 2They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service. 3And these things will they do unto you, because they have not known the Father, nor me.
Mcfirefly2 3 months ago
@Mcfirefly2 - Yes. That is the bottom line, unbelief. They hate God and the remembrance of His Truth. Because they hate Him they will hate His servants. Nothing new about this. .. from Cain, to Haman, to Esau, etc., same spirit.
offline111 3 months ago
Bow to your almighty Free Will.
It is your god, it makes you a god.
skoobalon 3 months ago
@skoobalon - You don't even captilalize the "g" and you think you know YEHOVAH? (His Name.) The Protestants, Catholics, and even the Jews, have taken His name out of His holy scriptures, the true Bible. The Jews dont even remember how to prounounce His name today. Islam, Hinuism, Buddhism have no clue. Those who profess to know Yeshua The Messiah, they call Him Jesus, have taken the names of the Father(GOD) out of the old testament in thousands of places in Genesis alone. You think you know Him?
offline111 3 months ago
@offline111
You should've stuck to your day job, loser.
skoobalon 3 months ago
@skoobalon - People like should smoke less drugs and read more Bible. Just a friendly suggestion. :)
offline111 3 months ago
Good message, some people see a big dignified church and every one there is puffed up and they think is the life of the gospel, and people with out large backings are not wise to refute them and have nothing to stand on, and man with the truth of God make these devils fear so they lash out with the venom of snakes. Calvinism is of the devil. Yeshua is Lord. God bless.
TheOringinalBRad 6 months ago
@TheOringinalBRad - Popes of any kind, be they Catholic or be thy Protestant, are not followers of Yeshua. Nothing could be easier to see, but some never do. Amen. Thanks for your discerning comment.
offline111 6 months ago
You serve the Jesuit order well.
hisfreewill 7 months ago
@hisfreewill - Is everyone paying attention on this one? When the Calvinist's nakedness is unbearable for him.....the next "holy strategy" is to acuse the Bible believing Christian as an agent of the Jesuit Order. This is what Calvin did, and murdered both Christians and Catholics. This is how "the little pope of Geneva" ran his heretical business, even burning "heretics" at the stake, like Servetus and others. They claim Calvin's "absolute authority" did not extend to such executions. Rev.21:8
offline111 7 months ago
This guy makes Catholocism look good Im becoming a Catholic screw you all
euqsabtnatillim 9 months ago
@euqsabtnatillim - Totally brilliant reaction to the Truth of God's Word. Congratulations. "I don't like what the Bible says....so I am going to embrace the idols God hates and burn in hellfire for ever." Great wisdom. The Devil wins every time with that kind of attitude. Keep it up.
offline111 9 months ago
jhon
17:12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled
treasurytruth 10 months ago
@treasurytruth - Judas Escariot was an apostle prior to his fall "through transgression", Acts 1:25. The Calvinist position that there is no free will, but only predestination, denies the very existance of sin, for if a man cannot choose to sin he has no guilt of sin. Calvinism is spiritually bankrupt and is devoid of even a root of truth. I urge you and those who are blinded by their evil hearts to hear the Word of the Lord and repent of such folly.
offline111 10 months ago
@offline111 @offline111 ....,,yes there is no free will.....free will it just like...do what thou wilt....it's satanic verse........judas...
jhon 13:26 Jesus answered, He it is, to whom I shall give a sop, when I have dipped it. And when he had dipped the sop, he gave it to Judas Iscariot, the son of Simon.
13:27 And after the sop Satan entered into him. Then said Jesus unto him, That thou doest, do quickly. ................................no free will...Judas just did God's will
treasurytruth 10 months ago
@treasurytruth - When you sin is it God's will? When Adam sinned was it God's will? When Lucifer fell was it God's will? Is breaking God's commandments God's will? You are totally out of your mind and do not even know God. This is the result of a wicked heart seeking what it desires out of God's Word, and rejecting the rest. It is utter madness. The Bible says that God is known through His judgments. He burned Sodom and Gomorrah, not because they did His will, but because they refused to do so.
offline111 10 months ago
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changeishere2008 10 months ago
@changeishere2008 Isaiah 44:18 "They have not known nor understood: for He hath shut their eyes, that they cannot see; and their hearts, that they cannot understand." When the heart turns to righteousness and the love of the Truth is received.THEN, and only then, will God give them eyes to see. The LORD chooses their delusions (and their afflictions.) They follow other voices rather than His voice. This is the evil root of all false ways. (Famine, war, and disease are God's judgments on sin.)
offline111 10 months ago
@offline111
Hello thank you for sending me the scriptureI will study it.
If you can expose calvinism.
God bless you.
changeishere2008 10 months ago
@changeishere2008 - You are most welcome.
offline111 10 months ago
I'm a Calvinist. This video was a big disappointment.
You say it is idolatrous to have a man teach us the Word. Perhaps you missed Nehemiah 8:8, "So they read in the book in the law of God distinctly, and gave the sense, and caused them to understand the reading." You say God doesn't hate sinners, but perhaps you missed Psalm 5:5, "thou hatest all workers of iniquity."
Why don't you make a productive video with exegesis of Biblical texts instead of foolish rants like this.
patrckhh20 1 year ago
There is a difference between a man teaching the Word faithfully, and a man corrupting it. That is the point. If you go to a false teacher...you have gone to man, rather than to God. Faithful teachers teach the truth on God's behalf. Unfaithful men corrupt the truth on their behalf.....that is "going to man". Yes, God hates all "workers of iniquity"....those sold out to sin, reprobate of mind, yet He was still kind to Esau, was He not? Does He not rain on the evil and the just alike? .
offline111 1 year ago
Jesus said that His disciples would show that God was their Father by loving their enemies, turning the other cheek, praying for those that despitefully used them, not returning evil for evil, doing good to all men, overcoming evil with good. That should tell us something, don't you think? If this proves we are the sons of the Father.....what must our Father be like?
offline111 1 year ago
Good vid.
GospelPerfection 1 year ago
Do you really talk like that? What a marroon.
rpare666 1 year ago
"The fool has said in his heart there is no God." I don't waste much time with fools. Have a nice life. You are as close to heaven as you will ever be.
offline111 1 year ago
god itself has sinned by making a being capable of sin. It knew humanity would be so disposed and proceeded despite this foreknowledge.
Sounds irresponsible to me.
rpare666 1 year ago
Your mind is not illuminated. God's ways are higher than those of man and His thoughts are as much higher as the heavens above the earth. Man's heart had to be proven, thus the necessity of free will. If man would choose good, then man would be led by God to learn of Him and to find the way to Heaven. If man would choose evil, he would cause his mind to be darkened and become blind to the very presence of His Creator in the world before his eyes, as he progresses to eternal death/fire.
offline111 1 year ago
If we are made in the image of god (Gen 1:26-30) and we contain the ability to sin then god has the ability to sin and is flawed.
rpare666 1 year ago
Being "made in the image of God" is to be body, soul, and spirit, three aspects to our being, yet one person.It does not imply that God has made us His equals. Man has a free will, and because man is not God, man sinned. God has made a Way of redemption through the blood of His Mediator, The One Who has declared the truth of God to mankind, Jesus Christ The Righteous. His Mediator is called His Son, and God said, "He shall be a son to me and I a Father to Him..." Jesus Christ is The Word Of God.
offline111 1 year ago
It is totally perplexing how many people get on youtube and rail on Calvinism without ANY real understanding of it.
hoosfan77 1 year ago
@hoosfan77 - Calvinists are just Protestant-Catholics. They never left Rome enough to become actual Christians. That would require them to return to the Bible wholly and reject all human interpretations of holy scripture. Calvinist doctrine does not exist in holy scripture. It appeared in the mid 16th century and negates what was taught by the apostles in the first century by the Holy Ghost. Calvinists hold to the Catholic trinitarian deity, and baptize infants as well, clear examples of heresy.
offline111 1 year ago
@offline111 Actually, I would say most every Christian believes in the Trinity, as the Church has believed for most of its existence. We are even commanded to Baptize in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Also, Calvinism is about as far from Rome as any any other Christians are. They completely deny infused righteousness, instead believing in imputation, and they believe that Scripture has authority over the Church. Reformed theology is NOT Catholic theology
hoosfan77 1 year ago
Being indoctrinated in Catholic theology, you do not even know what a Christian is, nor Christianity itself. Catholicism has infused paganism into their cult and this includes Mary worship, the worship of statues/icons/idols, a eucharistic jesus that is not Christ, baptism of infants, the worship of their cracker god, a false priesthood that claims to be "another chirst", and their "infallible" popes that have the title "Lord God the pope." It is all obviously antichirst and always has been.
offline111 1 year ago
im a calvinist . . i thank God for the person He has made me and the relationship God and i have . .
vizulfun 1 year ago
@vizulfun ...I am sure the Catholics and Mormons would say the same thing.
offline111 1 year ago
Of course you have FREE WILL, God REQUIRES it.
You have FREE WILL because God gave it to you, and he MAKES you use it.
REALLY?? Do any of you see the problem with this? Can't you see the obvious contradiction of FORCED FREE WILL????
One more example of religion turning brains to mush.
ManchuDan22 1 year ago
Careful Dannyboy, your prejudice is showing. God does NOT "require" free will...He establishes it. Man exercises it....because he is born with it. Some false religions tell their brainwashed drones that they don't have it. Some false religions say man does have it...but...but...but..there are limitations/restrictions on man's free will. That is NOT free will. Only an idiot will buy such nonsense. It is a blatant and very obvious contradiction. It is either totally free or it is NOT free will.
offline111 1 year ago
Your right in saying God is not unjust, He is just and merciful. Calvinism states that God has chosen some to recieve His justness, and others to recieve His mercy. You twist Calvinism's doctrine, you slander their leaders, and you take verse out of verse out of contex.
Ridgetown100 1 year ago
@Ridgetown100 -- Would you like to give some examples of where I allegedly misrepresent Calvinist doctrines, and twist the scripture? I have not done this even one time, by the way. If you would take time to read the comments I reply to you might see what I am responding to and that what I am saying is relative to what has already been said (not invented by me.)
offline111 1 year ago
What is your definition of free will? I hear this great emphasis on free, but saying free, while everyone else is saying free and then disagreeing only shows that the definitions are different. The problem is, people here are senselessly bickering because they never bothered to start at the beginning; that being definitions. As I peek at the comments over the years, I hear mostly two things, ignorance and anger from commentators. It is a sad fact we all tend to speak fast and think little.
brycelechelt 1 year ago
@brycelechelt - FREE WILL is FREE WILL.,.....will that is FREE to choose whatever that person wants to choose. Without limitations, restrictions, etc. The ability to freely choose based upon the desire of that person. Calvinists will tell you that man cannot desire God, or to seek God, this is blindness and the scriptures are twisted by them to "prove" they are right......only proving they are twisting the Word by their private interpretations to suit themselves and support their traditions.
offline111 1 year ago
(continued) Changing the meaning of words by "redefining" them is a classic method of making the Word of God of none effect through vain interpretations. Catholicism, Calvinism, Protestantism, Mormonism, and all the rest of the traditionalist systems do this to their own demise. The Baptists do this too, Mennonites, Amish, Methodists, they ALL DO THIS. Denominations are NEVER straight with God, they are a branch unto themselves, so to speak. A froward branch, corrupting the Word Of Life.
offline111 1 year ago
If this mans definition of free will includes human nature, then his conclusion is wrong. If his definition excludes human nature, then his conclusion is right, however meaningless, and glorified man is no longer free. The Calvinist and Arminian both assert free will. However the Libertarian free-will position excludes the foundation of mans nature. If man loses his nature as a guide to decision making then the mans decisions no longer reflect who that man is because the choices are random.
brycelechelt 1 year ago
@brycelechelt - Brilliant! So the Libertarian has found a way to separate a human from his human nature. That is even more foolish than Calvinism. Calvinism says it believes in freewill, but then in the next breath says man cannot choose certain things. Yet they still insist that man's will is free. It is insanity working right before our eyes. Only FREE will is FREE will. If it is limited....are you ready for this huge jump in discernment???.....IT IS NOT FREE WILL.
offline111 1 year ago
@brycelechelt (cont.) Arminius was a lunatic masquerading as a theologian, while pretending to be a Christian. He was the theologian that the Roman emperor Constantine favored while ruling over the Council Of Nicea. The Calvinists use terms like "dread Arminian", when hearing the Truth about salvation (it is conditional from the beginning to the end, as Peter said, "worse off than if they had never known God." 2 Peter 2.) The Calvinist calls the Bible heretical, because he is himself BACKWARDS.
offline111 1 year ago
@offline111
To correct an error Arminius lived after the reformation. If nature is not included in the discussion of free will then the discussion is worthless. Man has choices. Those choices reflect who he is. If they don't, you can't know who he is. Men know each other, so their choices do reflect who they are. Its because men make choices based on who they are, and we call that nature. If men act one way, but are really another, there is no way to know them, and it's pointless to try.
brycelechelt 1 year ago
@brycelechelt - Thank you, your correction on Arminius is welcome. I had confused this matter with another person, whose name I cannot rightly determine at the moment, but it was clearly not the Arminius in question. Regarding "nature"...the Bible speaks of the nature of man and that is the only nature of man there is. Man has the ability and freedom to choose what he may, be it good, or be it evil. Man's "nature", after the fall of Adam, is indeed fallen. This does not eliminate free will.
offline111 1 year ago
(cont.) "Faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God." God enables men to hear, based upon His FOREKNOWLEDGE of their hearts.(Lk 8:12, Mt 4:12, 13:14) He elects, calls, and predestinates, according this divine foreknowledge. "The wicked are made for the day of destruction", what they will choose in this life is "pre-judged", based upon God's foreknowledge of their hearts (that they WILL choose to serve evil, not righteousness, in their life. Examples: Esau Rom 9, Pharaoh Ex 7.)
offline111 1 year ago
so this guy is saying I can boast that i chose to accept Christ? How can you say this. Is this guy saying saying that preachers are wrong?
hiswarriord4x4 1 year ago
@hiswarriord4x4 There is nowhere in scripture that says that choosing God is a reason to boast.
A lie of calvinism is that chosing is a work. Work is work, which implies doing acts to appease God.
A man in a burning building cannot boast if he chooses to climb down the firemans ladder but he would be a fool not to.
prn72271 1 year ago
All free will is self righteous.Because a choice is presented me does not mean I have power to choose.Presentation of choice does not mean freedom.There is no mention of God's Nature in free will proponents.Never do they begin with God's Nature.God is perpetual self existing life. He is Spirit Virtue,He is never Spirit without Virtue.If God suspended Himself which is what free will proposes,God's self existing life would cease to be. If you don't understand this think before replying
polopowers1 1 year ago
Mr.Polopower, your statement, "Presentation of choice does NOT mean freedom." You are speaking of "freedom" in regard to FREEWILL, or the FREEDOM TO CHOOSE. Correct? When you say this you blaspheme God, as it was He that has put into scripture the statements calling men to repentance, to "choose ye this day whom ye shall serve" and countless others. If man is incapable of making such choices....that would make God a lying rascal. You, and all your Calvinist brethren are blasphemers.
offline111 1 year ago
@polopowers1
You used free will to choose to write what you did. God did not use you to speak. In that case, you are a holy instrument, and what kind of heresy would that be? If you don't understand this, think before speaking.
maxime32 1 year ago
@polopowers1
I urge you to listen to Offline111 viedios his teaching is sound and biblical.
Ask the Holy Spirit to reveil God's truth to you.
God Bless you!
changeishere2008 10 months ago
Wow! You are BORING!!!
vozuluzov 1 year ago
@vozuluzov - What in the world is a devoted evolutionist doing watching videos about Spiritual Truths? It is like a pig trying to fly....they are incapable of such things. Ye must be born again to see the kingdom of God. John 3. One must give up such devotions prior to seeking Spiritual Truth. That is what begins the awakening of the soul....which comes by the Spirit through God's grace. Yes, this will bore you twice. Nothing I can do about that. Sorry.
offline111 1 year ago
if the Spirit leads us into all truth, would you say that these calvinists are not born again.cause im on a christian network like facebook and they sure like to prove their points and look godly.
woodowl003 1 year ago
It is also written that God "giveth the Spirit to them who obey Him.." No man may speak in falsehoods and have the Spirit of Christ. 2 Peter 2 reveals false teachers amongst the brethren. These men were seeking to draw believers away form the Truth and to follow them as their disciples. Their ways were called "pernicious", or grievously harmful, even damnable heresies. Men may be saved and then fall away unto perdition. In that process they will influence many to follow in darkness with them.
offline111 1 year ago
"for the children not yet being born, nor having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to ELECTION might stand NOT OF WORKS but of Him who CALLS" Rom 9:11
"So then it is NOT of him who wills, nor of him who runs, BUT OF GOD WHO SHOWS MERCY." Rom 9:16
"For whom He FOREKNEW, He also PREDESTINED to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren." Rom 8:29
"Therefore He has mercy on whom HE WILLS, and whom HE WILLS He hardens." Rom 9:18
macolyis 1 year ago
If you don't understand God's FOREKNOWLEDGE you will never understand predestination and election. This is the root of this matter. Calvin never figured it out. His followers don't understand it. This does not inhibit them in the least from spewing their blindness profusely as they demonstrate their folly to all that have eyes to see. Spew on. Jesus said it like this, "let he who is filthy be filthy still"..."let he who is holy be holy still"...so, let he that is blind be blind still...
offline111 1 year ago
@offline, The scriptures teach God MADE some for WRATH & God MADE some for MERCY! Why does He still find fault you ask?
"You will say to me then, “Why does He still find fault? FOR WHO HAS RESISTED HIS WILL?” But indeed, O man, WHO ARE YOU TO REPLY AGAINST GOD? Will the thing formed say to him who formed it, “WHY HAVE YOU MADE ME LIKE THIS?” Does not the potter have POWER OVER THE CLAY, from the same lump to MAKE ONE VESSEL FOR HONOR and another for DISHONOR?" Romans 9:18-21
You teach HERESY!
macolyis 1 year ago
You are most incorrect, as I do not "ask" such things, I know. God has spoken in His unchanging Word, thusly, "De 30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore CHOOSE LIFE, that both thou and thy seed may live:" and "Jos 24:15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, CHOOSE YOU this day whom ye will serve;" The righteous are an abomination to the wicked, therefore you call me a heretic.
offline111 1 year ago
@macolyis
Calvinism the most pernicious religious philosophy ever to see the light of day; it presupposes justice and yet also makes God the most unjust of all--yet attributes also to him the qualities of goodness and mercy; Calvinism makes as much sense theologicially as a square circle does geometrically.
RPenta 1 year ago
@RPenta Calvinism makes as much sense as calling the popes and their bloody torturing inquisitions "holy". It makes as much sense as making "statues", bowing before them, offering prayers to those they represent, and then saying such a practice is not idolatry. The pot may call the kettle black, but they both are going into the fire on the day of God's final judgment. Only God's Words are the standard of righteousness, and forever so. God has declared it. He cannot lie.
offline111 1 year ago
@macolyis Just like the typical 5-point calvinist, using Romans 9 to try to prove their belief system. This passage in context is talking about the election of the nation of Israel and about national salvation; NOT personal salvation. Taking this and other passage such as John 6 and Ephesians 1 out of context to wrongly say that these passages prove calvinism. You are the heretic, not offline111.
ILovestorms 1 year ago
@ILovestorms.. Mal.ch.1 speaks of Esau and Jacob/Israel. Only a small holy remnant is ever reserved by God, from Jacob and the Gentiles. God looks upon the heart, "the flesh availeth nothing..", Jesus said. It is true. In Heb.11:20 and 12:16 the Spirit speaks of the man Esau and there is a reason the Lord, through His foreknowledge of Esau, hated him. Ishmael (Gal 4) "the son of the bondwoman", and Cain, were also rejected by God. These men became "peoples", some of whom still turned to God.
offline111 1 year ago
@offline111 You believe God hated Esau the same way we use the word "hate"? I hope u haven't bought into calvinism. The word "hate" in that verse is a hyperboly, like when Jesus said in Luke that if anyone would not hate even his own family he could not be His disciple.
ILovestorms 1 year ago
@ILovestorms God does not cast into Hell those He loves. The apostasy in doctrine and the erosion of understanding of Truth is progressing wildly today. God DOES NOT LOVE all men, there are men He hates. There are things He hates as well. (Ps.5:5, Ps.92:7,Pr. 6:16-19,Pr.25:21-22, Isa.63:10, Zech.8:17,Mal.2:16, Ex.23:22, De.33:27, Lk 13:27.) Those who end up in Hell are God's enemies and He hates them. The fraud of God's "universal unconditional love" is a blasphemy that theological liberals love
offline111 1 year ago
@ILovestorms (continuing) It is also written that God is angry with the wicked every day. When Christ returns it is not to give the world a big warm hug, it is to annihilate all who offend Him in this world, and all things that offend. He is bringing WRATH and FIRE to utterly destroy this present evil world. When He has finished with this CLEANSING, He will create "a new heavens and a new earth" (Isa 65:17, 66:22, 2 Pet.3:13, etc.) Jesus told His disciples to FEAR GOD. These are not hyperbole.
offline111 1 year ago
@ILovestorms (cont.) When the family of a believer demands he disobey God and deny Christ (to disobey His Word, corrupt Truth, etc.) they must be utterly rejected as determined enemies of God. The word hate in this regard is to despise their thoughts, words, and all they propose against God. The person must also be rejected from fellowship, personally, though they should be prayed for and treated with due benevolence. Fellowship with darkness when a child of Light is sin. (2Cor.6:14, 1Jn.1:7)
offline111 1 year ago
2 Peter 3:
15and regard the patience of our Lord as salvation; just as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, wrote to you,
16as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which the untaught and unstable distort, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction.
stupaod 1 year ago
@stupaod Patience in this context, the Biblical context of salvation, CLEARLY shows us that we must follow Chirst or our faith has been in vain. The word OVERCOME is found repeatedly in Revelation chapters 2-3. This is not a "set salvation" that God has created for some and not for others. It is a salvation that must be participated in by those who have received it through faith. Paul also said, "work out YOUR SALVATION with fear and trembling.." and "PERFECTING HOLINESS IN THE FEAR OF GOD.."
offline111 1 year ago
@offline111
once again I completely agree with you and I'm glad we have someone like yourself sharing wisdom here on youtube
stupaod 1 year ago
I am thankful to still be of some small use to the Lord who loved me and bought me with His Holy Blood. Amen.
offline111 1 year ago
@offline111
ditto
stupaod 1 year ago
most Calvinist's I have communicated with have a similar attitude
I can't help but feel as though their hearts are as hard as stone
which is actually quite ironic considering the fact that Calvinist's often speak of the Pharaoh's heart being hardened by God
I think some of the passages are hard to understand(which Peter declared as well) purposely...because only inspiration of the Spirit can properly interpret those verses
stupaod 1 year ago
Understanding must come from God and by His Spirit. The Spirit of Christ is the Spirit of Prophecy. It is the Spirit of interpretation seen throughout scripture (two examples: 1 John 2 "the anointing which ye have received", and 1 Cor 12,14 in regard to the "interpretation of tongues"... the Spiritual gift of languages given to certain believers by God's Spirit.) If we want understanding, wisdom, knowledge, we must only ask of God with a pure heart. Calvin didn't have one to ask with.
offline111 1 year ago
@offline111
I agree completely and I really appreciate this video because I feel in my heart that this is a critical issue
if I had learned about God through a Calvanistic mindset I would have had a major stumbling stone placed in my way that I would need to overcome
stupaod 1 year ago
That is what all false doctrine accomplishes. Only those who deserve to be deceived will be deceived. "The righteous shall understand...." (Daniel)
offline111 1 year ago
IN Genesis 6 when God instructed Noah to build the ark....did he say whomever chooses to board may...or Did he choose certain individuals to board??
Rodjudd 1 year ago
Noah and his family had to choose to obey God and build the ark. They could have refused to do so. They had the will to deny God if they chose to. Noah was a preacher of righteousness, as the Bible teaches. He preached God's Word to those who were alive in his day, but none had a heart for what he said. When Noah's family got on that ark it was because none that had heard his words, and had seen his work in building the ark, had a heart for God. That is why the flood came and destroyed them.
offline111 1 year ago
this is a wonderful Spirit filled msg
thanks a bunch!
stupaod 1 year ago
@stupaod - Thank You. Few can see this or hear it.
offline111 1 year ago
good video
HolyVigilante 1 year ago
good vid! GOD BLESS YOU.
redivivusrisen 1 year ago
I was shocked at first at reading of the death of the heretic Servetus in Geneva which was run by Calvin. So, I realized Calvin was of the same cut as the rest of the worldly church of his day - thinking that Jesus' Kingdom was of this world after all.
Move all the way back to the path the apostles plotted for us, not to Calvin; then, like the passage of scripture Youtube name refers to, you shall find rest for your souls.
Jere616 1 year ago
I always am suspicious of people who "amen" themselves. At any rate, you are making some pretty extreme claims. I wonder if you believe what your Bible says in Ephesians 4:11 and 1 Cor. 12? Are you sure all we need is the Scriptures? So we dont need pastors, teachers, etc. ? I wonder how much have you actually read on Calvinism?
MrSuperchicken1 1 year ago
@MrSuperchicken1 - All I need is God's Word and the leading of the Holy Spirit. That is HOW I know about Calvinism, by comparing his errors to the Truth of God's Words.
offline111 1 year ago
"If you cannot find FREE WILL in the Bible it can only be due to the fact that you do NOT hear God's Words. In that case, it is totally impossible for me, a mere man, to open your spiritual eyes."
That is a quote from you Offline, I have many questions about Calvinism vs. Arminianism etc. But your quote above says basically that only God can open someone's spiritual eyes, therefore, mere men can't do it. I am a mere man, how can I choose to open my own spiritual eyes?
BookofMartin 1 year ago
@BookofMartin - Seek ye the Lord while He may be found, draw nigh unto Him whill He is yet near.....seek and ye shall find....when you seek Me with your whole heart..then ye shall find me.....if any many thirst let him drink of the waters of life FREELY.....it is not difficult....
offline111 1 year ago
To offline11: Why have these false doctrines (TULIP the ackronym) infiltratred seminaries, bible colleges and churches? Even baptists are embracing it.
ILovestorms 1 year ago
@ILovestorms - Have you done a study on leaven and apostasy (falling away from the faith)? 2 Pet 2, 2 Thes 1-2, and all through the Old Testament when Israel has fallen from God....The teaching of "My fear" according to the precept of men is an accursed thing to the Lord. It is PROFANING His name...to corrupt His Truth and His Words. Leaven is the most powerful weapon in Satan's arsenal...but men have to embrace it willingly. So, the problem is still found in the heart of man.
offline111 1 year ago
Calvin didn't teach that you don't have free will. He taught that the extent of man's will is limited due to sin corrupting our nature. Perhaps studying Calvinism will help before making videos about it? Take care.
AgApE010 1 year ago
Oh, my "mistake"...so sorry. Calvin taught that man has FREEwill.....BUT NOT FREEwill. He can only choose what Calvin says he can choose. Sorry, but somehow that does not sound very much like FREEwill to me for some reason. Can't imagine why. I must just be silly and uninformed.
offline111 1 year ago
So you know John Calvin's heart? I think you are way out of bounds judging the heart of Calvin as to whether he was saved or not. Read your Bible.
ethdaman1985 1 year ago
I believe Jesus, "Many shall come in My name and deceive many. Ye shall know them by their fruits.", "Judge rigtheous judgment..", not by "appearances"..but by His Word. Paul said this, "He that sinneth rebuke before all that all might fear." The Word is clear on judging all that pertains to the church of Christ. Peter's second epistle, chapter 2, goes heavily into this and the example is unmistakable. He utterly condemns men that are teaching false things. [see my vids regarding judging]
offline111 1 year ago
@ethdaman1985
As a Catholic, I am somewhat on the outside looking in on the Calvinist-Arminian debate going on since the so called Reformation.
But to be frank, I probably dislike Calvinism more than the Calvinists dislike Catholicism (or Eastern Orthdoxy or Anglicanism)--which is a tall order. But to the Calvinists reading this comment. Your God is very small; if God could have willed all to be saved and did not, then Satan is the winner-the fewer in God's kingdom, the more in his.
RPenta 1 year ago
@RPenta, Satan does not win because God brings glory to himself by applying his perfect judgement to those who are not saved and by applying Grace to those who are saved.
ethdaman1985 1 year ago
@RPenta What an amazing perspective. The one that has more servants is the "winner"? Wow!! The Winner has been building His everlasting kingdom for the past 6,000 (since the creation), preserving those who SHOULD BE SAVED, and without losing one to the Devil. Satan only gets God's discards, so to speak. Jesus said, re. eternal life, few shall find it. It is God's expressed will in the Bible that all men would repent and be saved. Man may fail of God's grace, but God's grace fails no man. Amen.
offline111 1 year ago
Where did Calvin burn men at the stake?
greatnewsnetwork 1 year ago
Geneva, Switzerland was the seat of Calvin's "church". He burned a man named Servetus. Here is a link- h t t p(colon) // w w w (dot) evangelicaloutreach(dot)org /ashes(dot)htm Read it for yourself. It is a matter of history. Calvin burned, or sentenced to death by other means, such "theological opponents" who declared him to be in error. Sometimes such "detractors" were correct, some times not. The Scriptures do not allow for execution in either case, proving him to be a reprobate, not a saint.
offline111 1 year ago
Tell me WHO's FREE WILL is greater? John 6:44 NO MAN CAN COME TO ME, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. John 6:65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that NO MAN can come unto me, EXCEPT it were GIVEN unto him of my Father. All I see is more anti-Calvin ignorance...
rbmath 2 years ago
I am sure that is all you are capable of seeing, or will see in the future. You have missed FREE WILL altogether and it is throughout the entire body of scripture. I suggest that anyone interested in this "debate" read the remaining comments below. The issue is settled many times over. "Whosoever will, let him take of the waters of life freely." "Choose you this day whom ye shall serve." Etc., ad infinitum...
offline111 2 years ago
Nice video you have there ! To the point and logical !
I continue to be amazed how anybody could beleive that a loving God would intentionally predestine someone to spend an eternity of suffering in Hell without having given them a chance of any kind to escape such a fate.
That to me would be a sadistic God and not one worthy of either praise or worship.
"I stand at the door and knock..."
For what ? A programmed robot who has no choice in the matter? Supper with someone in a trance ?
jsloan777 1 year ago 6
@jsloan777 I stand at the door and knock is addressed to the lukewarm saints in Laodicea being called to no longer be lukewarm followers of Christ, it's not said to the unsaved, just for the record.
fourfifthscommish 1 year ago
The entirety of the Word is profitable for doctrine, reproof, correction, and instruction in righteousness. (2 Tim 3:16) The book of the Revelation was written to all seven churches in Asia (Asia Minor today.) It was to be read to all of them, and is for the entire church of God. The warnings and rebukes apply to all churches throughout the last 2000 years. All who are lukewarm shall be spewed out of His mouth, not just the Laodiceans of the first century period, for instance.
offline111 1 year ago
OK you are trying to teach us what is your degree in? I'd rather learn from Augustine, Calvin, Luther. Edwards, Spurgeon...all who believed in predestination.
MrHunterdion 2 years ago
I have exactly the same degrees that Paul, Peter, John, and James had. Degrees that your heretical idols did not have.
offline111 2 years ago
doctrines of men.... hey do you know where I can get a gold plated Calvin statue?
joejohnson043 2 years ago
You will have to contact James White. I hear he has a mold in his garage and a statue under his bed. He spray paints them gold though, just like his modern versions of the "bible".
offline111 2 years ago
Yeah, you're in fine company with many who follow after the doctrines of men.
You think Thomas had a degree ?
You actually believe God gave the Bible to only be understood by men with degrees ???
Thinking themselves wise, they became fools.
There are plenty today who have Phd's and still beleive in Evolution. Having a degree doesn't give one critical thinking skills or wisdom.
jsloan777 1 year ago
You must be commenting in response to someone that stresses the academic orientation of religious men? That is who I am....and I think you know that by your other comment(s)....If you want to reply to a specific comment.....then go to that comment and click on "reply"....rather than doing this at the beginning of the comment list....otherwise your comment will appear to be out of context. :)
offline111 1 year ago
@offline111 ...I reread this post....and realize that I should have proofread it prior to posting...sorry.....big typo!!! Where I wrote "That is who I am...." it should read the opposite way....."THAT IS NOT WHO I AM." Silly mistake. Sorry.
offline111 1 year ago
@offline111 i agree with you on but your perspective is just as contradictory. you say calvin was not a true christian cause he burnt people at the stake,but you take for granted that your loving jesus is gonna torture most of humanity in hell for eternity. how an that god have any moral authority? this a a god that needs his ego stroked and threatens violence to those that will not bow down to him, that is not love. that is slavery and sadism.your view of the bible is only an interpretation
robaquarian 1 year ago
The Bible is very clear. God is righteous and holy. Only those who have been purified by the blood of the Lamb Of God (God who became man) may be washed of their sins. God has taken the cross, the suffering, and has shed His own blood (Acts 20) that we may be saved from sin. This is the greatest love and the ultimate sacrifice. Only eternal blood may purge eternal sins for all mankind, forever. He made the payment for our sins so we may be saved from Hell. It is up to us to receive this.
offline111 1 year ago
@offline111
Amen
stupaod 1 year ago
where in the Bible did you find this "free will" that you keep mentioning?
martalog121 2 years ago
How anyone could read the Bible and not see FREE WILL operating throught it's entirety is an amazing thing to witness. I suggest you read the comments made below and study the scriptures for yourself. If you cannot find FREE WILL in the Bible it can only be due to the fact that you do NOT hear God's Words. In that case, it is totally impossible for me, a mere man, to open your spiritual eyes. Only God can do that and only when you turn to Him with your whole heart. Seek and ye shall find.
offline111 2 years ago
One more very quick comment. So if God knows everything that will happen in the future. He knows who you are and that you will choose to follow him before he even created the world right? You seem to be a Classical Arminian if so you would answer yes. My question is this. Logically if God knew everything that was going to happen before he created a single thing could anything outside of his perfect knowledge even happen? That answer of course is no. So, could you explain how that is "free will"?
berrytc44 2 years ago
Do you not even know the difference between Omniscience and Predestination? Knowing is knowing. Predestinating is predestinating. The first is knowledge of something, the second is action taken based upon that foreknowledge. You people are so utterly confused, just like your god, Calvin.
offline111 2 years ago
you are rad. Thanks for your posts!
joejohnson043 2 years ago
Just because someone has different viewpoint on a NON-ESSENTIAL doctrine, does not make them a heretic. Saying Calvinists are not saved is a pretty arogant statement and without scriptural support. We both believe in salvation by faith. Calvinists just have different understanding of how that plays out. I believe in predestination, you believe it's freewill. So what!
jsagers2008 2 years ago
The Calvinist position on "predestination" is corrupt. Therefore it corrupts the very Person and Word of The Living God. It turns the gospel into something that superfulous and not according to the heart of man to receive in the love of God. This is the greatest perversion of the gospel possible. God does not make some to be saved solely through His efforts and others to be lost solely because He does not choose to save them. This is profaning the very nature and being of God.
offline111 2 years ago
Revelation 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And LET him that heareth say, Come. And LET him that is athirst come. And WHOSOEVER WILL, LET him take the water of life freely.Mark 8:34 And when he had called the people unto him with his disciples also, he said unto them, WHOSOEVER WILL come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.Joshua 24:15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, CHOOSE YOU THIS DAY WHOM YE WILL SERVE.." t
offline111 2 years ago
Romans 9:19 Thou wilt say unto me, why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his WILL?
Or just read the entire chapter. How do you dance around this chapter? or John 6:44 the audience here being false converts. Please explain.
jsagers2008 2 years ago
No dancing on my part. You are the ones avoiding the verses and chapters that clearly teach freewill to choose God or sin. No Calvinist on earth understands the principles of GOD'S FOREKNOWLEDGE IN RELATION TO PREDESTINATION AND ELECTION. Now THAT is some kind of dance indeed, the dance of death and Hell. ...Calvin's dance. How do you people miss the connection between the Catholic "saint' Augustine and Calvin? The Trinitarian dogma of Rome and Calvinism? Blind leaders of the blind...
offline111 2 years ago
fatih is a gift from God...even the faith to believe! if that is true, which it is out of scripture, then why is there any more debate about this? God gives you the faith to believe. If God imparts that faith in you, would that not violate free will? When people pray for another person's salvation, if God answers that prayer and moves on that person that would violate their free will!
caleblwright 2 years ago
You have confused the "free gift".....it is not FAITH....it is GRACE..... We supply the faith....and God supplies THE GRACE which IMPUTES RIGHTEOUSNESS to those who believe on the Lord with all of their heart. We do our part....God does His. Christ made all this possible in the New Covenant, through His Blood.
Romans 5:17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
offline111 2 years ago
Wow. Talk about incoherant.
RAIDERJO76 2 years ago 3
Jesus said, "he that is of God heareth God's Words....ye hear them not because you are not of God." Calvinists are "not of God"...that is why the Word rightly spoken appears to be "incoherent" to you and other apostate "believers." Heresy blinds the heretic that practices falsehood. Therefore, Calvinists are blind.
offline111 2 years ago
Free will is not in the Bible anwhere. The bible in fact only talks of the will as external (i.e. volition). I rather think that supposing we have a will apart from God's sovereignty is just another manifestation of our rebellion against God. We are fallen and we like to think we can do what we want without God's will. That's what arminian's believe is ok and it is also the definition of fallenness.
dewey561 2 years ago 2
Everytime I read this Calvinist drivel it reminds me of what a totally blind bunch of goats these people truly are. I suggest that anyone even slightly considering such total nonsense to get an old King James Bible and run these terms through the entier Book with your Bible Software/Concordance....1) freely , 2) choose, 3) chose, 4) whosoever will/thirsteth/hungereth/etc. Just these should do the trick for you. There is, of course, so very much more. Good day.
offline111 2 years ago
I'm curious as to where you find the doctrine of free will taught in the Bible. The issue is not whether we are called to repent and believe it is how it is possible for spiritually dead people to respond to that call without the first empowering of the Holy Spirit. Faith is a gift that no one may boast.
Soli Deo Gloria
CalvinistRobot 2 years ago 2
FAITH is not the "gift", but GRACE ( Eph.2:8-9.) God's GRACE" allows one who, hears the Word (Rom.10:17 ), receives a love of the Truth (Jesus Christ, John 1:12, 14:6), and repents of his sins toward God with faith in Jesus Christ (Acts 20:21, Heb.6:1), to be SAVED/BORN-AGAIN/REGENERATED. This is "the gift", SAVING GRACE. (Rom 5:15-18.) We supply the FAITH, God supplies the GRACE.
Genesis 2:16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
offline111 2 years ago
Some confuse FAITH with GRACE, then compound their error by claiming that no man has FREEWILL to believe the gospel. FREEWILL is clearly the Biblical position from Genesis to Revelation. (KJV - Gen.2:16, De.30:19, Josh 24:15, Rev.21:6, 22:17) One must hear the Word, thirst for God, and then choose to drink/take of the water of life (1 Cor.12:13, The Holy Spirit) FREELY. Christ says further, WHOSOEVER WILL..LET HIM. Calvinism fails, yet again, to see. They have not the heart for it.
offline111 2 years ago
We believe that the outward call from the word is met by the inward call of the Holy Spirit thus regenerating man's heart and imparting faith that WILL cling to Christ, Chronologically we believe both Faith and Regeneration happen at the SAME time, but logically Regeneration precedes Faith since it is GOD'S work alone. We accept both the scriptures talking about God's WILL and our WILL, because men cannot live by God's secret WILL, we follow His revealed WiLL which is a call to repentance
charliejunfan1 2 years ago
This is exactly what I said you believed in my previous comment . You say God chooses man, man does not choose God. That it is God's will that determines who will be saved and man's will has noting to do with this. That man, though he has not heard the Word of the gospel and turned in repentance to Christ, is "given a new heart of faith" and saved. God has cursed Calvin and his followers in Gal.1:6-11. You preach "another gospel", and deny Chist. Claiming to be wise you have become fools.
offline111 2 years ago
HAHAHA, this is stupid, of course every Calvinist believes that man makes choices, but behind every choice is a desire, and we believe that men only will desire evil until they are given a new heart (circumcision/baptism) then they can desire Christ and good works in His name. So please study up more on Calvinism so that you don't make a fool of yourself ; )
charliejunfan1 2 years ago
A Calvinist (a follower of a man) believes that God must first change a man's heart, before that man may be saved. Yet, you do not see that this requires salvation prior to repentance. Therefore, it is not man's response to hearing the Wrod of God, but God's creating in him a "new heart", that saves a man. The man has nothing to do with this. His will is immaterial. It is God who chooses and saves, whosoever He will, rather than "whosoever believeth.", and "whosoever will." Clearly, rank heresy
offline111 2 years ago
whoa dude. we are only justified by faith, not circumsicion or baptism. christ only asked us to be baptised in obedience.
immobilemilk 2 years ago
Sorry, but I don't have any idea why you are saying this. I have not said a man is justified by any part of Moses' Law. Nor have I said we are justified by baptism. We justify God by being baptized, in that we declare Christ to be faithful and true and to have saved us according to His Word. This does not justify us, but Christ. (Gal.3:8) Once we are saved, we must keep the Word diligently and walk in the Light circumspectly, or be found to be "foolish virgins" (Mt. 25,2 Pet 1,1John 1, etc.)
offline111 2 years ago
Amen Brother! You are spot on. If it is impossible to forfeit your salvation, then why do I even go to church? Why don't I just go back to drinking and start using drugs and hanging out in the caSINos? God doesn't drag me to church because I am saved. I go of my own FREE WILL because I CHOSE to accept him of my own FREE WILL. Choose this day who you will serve, go and sin nor more, and many more quotes prove just how blinded to the truth Calvanists are. Great video offline111
siralbone2001 2 years ago
This guy does not know what he is talking about. This is a good evidence of how you should not talk about something you do not understand. He should actually read and study True Calvanism which is nothing more than True Christianity
enocht100 2 years ago
Calvinism began with Augustine, a Catholic "saint", and was furthered by Calvin. Calvin "multiplied" the iniquity and hypocrisy. This abomination arose, in regard to John Calvin, in the mid 17th century. Christ did not teach it, the apostles did not teach it, the church of Jesus Christ did not teach it, yet you claim it is "True Christianity." Such is the blindness of men that refuse the Word of God, the Spirit of Christ, and embrace the vainity of the traditions of sinful men. Congratulations.
offline111 2 years ago
Hello, I will gladly debate with you on the conditions that we do not enter in to a name calling argument but a scholarly debate with scripture and history to back ourselves up. I think this actually is edifying and could help us and many more to decide where they stand on the Doctrines of Grace. Do you agree?
As far as Calvanism starting with Augustine, I would disagree and claim that the it started with God choosing Isreal.
enocht100 2 years ago
Election goes back prior to the very foundation of the world, even the angels have elect angels and those who are not. The same would apply to seraphim and cherubim. Calvinism falls short, yet again, it iwll always be short, as it comes from blind leaders of the blind, all of whom are already in a hopeless ditch. The Word of God is to be believed and obeyed. Not debated. If a man debates what God has said, he has not heard it, and does not keep it himself. You justify vanity. What is to debate?
offline111 2 years ago
Isaiah 58:4 Behold, ye fast for strife and DEBATE, and to smite with the fist of wickedness: ye shall not fast as ye do this day, to make your voice to be heard on high. (Rom 1:28-32 )Rom 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, DEBATE, deceit, malignity; whisperers,...(see vs.28-32)
Calvin is in Hell and all who uphold him shall burn with him. Calvinism has persecuted the church of Christ, as Rome, it's mother.
offline111 2 years ago
very well said. i also have debated a person here in youtube, he didnt say he was a calvinist but he pretty much sound like it. that God choses selected people to love and the reason you believe in God is that God made you to believe Him and He also mede evil people evil... and this guy uses Romans 9:11-21 as an excuse LOL. i guess repentance has no use after all if calvinism is true.
gouki333 2 years ago 6
In Calvinist theology election is arbitrary, based on God's "divine whim.". Their big problem is that they throw out God's foreknowledge of the hearts of men. Eph 1:4 speaks on God's choosing, and predestination of His saints "before the foundation of the world." This may only be truly understood by the light of God's foreknowledge. (Acts2:23, 1Pet 1:2) Daily, God grants ears to hear only to those with the right heart toward Him (though, He knew all men before the foundation of the earth.)
offline111 2 years ago
Rom 1 is very clear. The invisible things of God may be known by all men by studying what He has made that is visible. Man is therefore "without excuse". If God made man so that he could not find Him, then man has an excuse. All men must reject God to miss His saving grace. They must choose to NOT SEEK HIM. This is the practice of UNBELIEF. "..he that believeth not is condemned already" (John 3:18), as they have NOT believed the Truth of Christ and been saved by His grace.
offline111 2 years ago
God has foreknown, chosen, and predestinated, all who will love Him in Spirit and Truth. He "elects" these from "before the foundation of the earth." He makes a way for them to hear the saving gospel, knowing they will receive it and be saved. Those He knows will not "receive a love of the Truth" are not provided for in this fashion. Still, the gospel is preached to many who will not believe. Election must be made sure through "dilligence" in holiness(2 Pet 1.) All must be found faithful.
offline111 2 years ago
Calvinists often call this sound Biblical understanding as "that dread Arminianism". It is not the teaching of Arminius, but the teaching of the Bible, throughout. The saints of God are both predestinated AND held accountable for what we do with this gift from God. The parable of the talents is a good example, also that of the ten virgins (Mt 25.) Calvin was warped in his understanding of these things and makes God out to be a liar and a hypocrite (blasphemy.) They cannot see what they do.
offline111 2 years ago