Hydrogen Gas Generator - Neoartifact

[MrJonsound]

try using powered metal is works much better with far batter surface interaction..

[xsports49]

nice work, i was wondering what kind of transformer your using? i've been looking for one for some time now

[RODALCO2007]

Great experiment. Love the audio track too.

[Shadowknightwolf]

can this be used as a battery?

[uawwildbob]

not a bad vid, but this is inefficient by todays standards . and i can allready see the brown contaimination building up. I have got more with less curent no heat or containination and with out caustic electrolyte's

[Booger6995]

Nice video. I just built a pulsing dual oscillator for a friend of mine. It's just amazing how effeciently the PS can produce massive amounts of power. Running on 12vdc it would practically melt a 4ohm 50 Watt load heatsinked like crazy. Really cool stuff. The generator cells that he is using are the type with one stainless tube inside another. Just in case any one cares to try that method.

[HHOhybridBuilder]

Is it possible to attach a torch on this HHO generator and ignite the hydrogen?

[altamuu]

I think you should put the cells in a vauum so it will be easier to generate a reaction.

[joelito101]

It seems to me that we are trying to find the standing wave that will make water resonate to have the Hydrogen atoms and the Oxygen atoms separate.

[VREDFOX]

this look like a real hydrogen device, the vid "hydrogen cold fusion plasma electrolysis Reactor CFR" is a complete bullshit

[waggabiggadoo]

fiddle with the frequencies and maybe patterns , i think it is crucial, like when opera singer breaks glass with voice, at specific frequency things happen.....resonance.....or whatever

[joelito101]

I think that you hit it right on the head. It is completely up to the resonance of water that helps separate the 2 Hydrogens from the 1 Oxygen. Their atomic bonds are not very strong so with the right frequency it can be done.

[prototype9000]

ive had good luck with an inductive choke and a resistor before the cell in producing hydrogen

[leviterande]

i have a question, does the produced hydrogen power the engine without any other fuel?

[neoartifact]

yes, but the lead acid battery runs out of charge after a while even when the alternator is supplying power back into the battery. Kinetic, thermal and other system loses contribute to this inefficiency. It's extremely difficult to run a 100% efficient system, but I doubt it can't be done. Anything is possible regardless of the laws of physics.

[leopardkwondo]

So is there efficiency ratings/comparisons in terms of energy comparing hydrogen to gasoline or other fuels? BTW nice set up, this interests me very much. Do you know any documentation regarding building hydrogen engines or generators? or what you have here?

[BrimstoneKarma]

Most people use stainless steel plates, tubes, wire, ect.....but steel is somewhere around #7 or so on the list of metals that make good conductors. A lot of other medals will corrode...especially copper. Silver will tarnish but is one of the best metals when it comes to conductivity,it's easy to clean. If you are just looking to do it as an experiment the steel plates are fine. Keep this in mind if you want to create enough hydrogen, to run a car or house on. You get what you pay for.

[1skiinIan]

what did you use as the metal material in the water, and what type of metal did you use? does it matter?

[neoartifact]

it mentions it in the video. Stainless Steel 316 the plates are. Matters what metal you use. Other metals will corrode over time and leave junk in your water. Anything chromium plated is fine.

[1skiinIan]

thanks. sorry, I usually make a habbit of checking the video descriptions.

[almintz559]

it seams you are getting lots of hho, the larger bubles are o and the small ones are o.

do you have problems with the water heating up.

[neoartifact]

No water heating or negligible. This is because I am not necessarily pumping a high current into the anode. If I were to increase the rate of gas production, I would be forcing the water to dissociate at an unreasonable rate compared to the rate tolerance the water has for dissociating. Excess heat is due to forcing too many electrons into system. The small bubbles are hydrogen and they have a state of charge too. Just hold a magnet to the side of your reactor to see the hydrogen bubbles deflect

[almintz559]

When you say hold a magnet to the side of the reactor to see the hydrogen bubbles deflect, im sorry what do you mean by deflect? is that good (deflect) or is that a bad thing. I saw a man making salt water burn by using microwaves. and I know that takes two strong magnets. HAVE ANY IDEAS ON THAT? THANKS FOR THE RESPONSE. I made a new five plate gen. to day it worked great then after a hour it got hot and the water was black scum. ????

[neoartifact]

The path of hydrogen bubbles is fairly predictable in water. A magnetic field will influence a charged particle and it will turn in a certain direction in the magnetic field. You will see the hydrogen bubbles move away or come toward a magnetic pole. The black scum is iron oxide. Make sure your stainless steel is at least 316 grade 'food grade' stainless steel and condition them in citric acid bath. Make sure any screws or wires you use are sealed or are corrosion resistant.

[almintz559]

Thanks. I did not use distilled water, my water has a lot of sulfer in it. it started out great, the thing was making great gas, and it was explosive. I made a mistake while in disign process, I lit the tube and for got there was gas in it it blew my proto to peices. good thing it was not glued in place, but what a bang. So this stuff is dangerious.Everyone should respect it as such.

Thanks again.

[almintz559]

Thanks. I did not use distilled water, my water has a lot of sulfer in it. it started out great, the thing was making great gas, and it was explosive. I made a mistake while in disign process, I lit the tube and for got there was gas in it it blew my proto to peices. good thing it was not glued in place, but what a bang. So this stuff is dangerious.Everyone should respect it as such.

Thanks again.

[almintz559]

Thanks. I did not use distilled water, my water has a lot of sulfer in it. it started out great, the thing was making great gas, and it was explosive. I made a mistake while in disign process, I lit the tube and for got there was gas in it it blew my proto to peices. good thing it was not glued in place, but what a bang. So this stuff is dangerious.Everyone should respect it as such.

Thanks again.

[neoartifact]

Use as little electrolyte as possible. Salts, acids and alkali's are kind of useless as water contains enough trace electrolyte (including waters own conductivity) to do the job. You wanna stretch the water across the electrostatic field (+ -) as water is normally polar. Increase its polarity and then apply a tiny amount of current (PWM). You will use very little current to do the same job but your electrode spacing must be really close and the voltage just right to prevent arcing.

[hartjas]

what do u think about cell speration? try and find the gap required for the Electrolysis action to happen. Also your material thickness and type might directly effect your production. Why not try anti-freeze as a solution it's in your car anyway and what effect would you have with solution Circulation. I know the temp. would only help the cell. I could be way off on this. I run my cell @ 6v 2 amps -+ charger if your interested I'll get some pics

[CarbideTip]

As you all ready noticed its trapping some bubbles resulting in less surface area, in turn lowering watts and production. Even so, great numbers.

[oystla]

Sorry, I don't know what happened in my spreadsheet, but 350 ml/min H2/O2 gas at 9,6V / 6A results in 78% efficiency of the cell, which is pretty good actually. I have seen efficiencies ranging from some 20% to above 100% (!!??) on Youtube, so yours are not bad at all.

[Voice0fEnergy]

Nice video. I built a similarly designed unit but was disappointed the output was not what I expected.

Im moving to a plat plate design that I hope will perform better. It is videos like this that help keep me inspired.

Keep up the good work!

[oystla]

OK, so 350 ml/min at 9,6V / 6A results in some 24% effciency of your cell. Not very good....

[neoartifact]

In terms of input power and output volume of hydrogen, it's fairly efficient as it gets. I calculated that the system uses 3.6kJ/min. Correct me if i'm wrong, 0.35L of hydrogen gas has an energy density of 3.8kJ/L @ 101kPa (1atm). Since there isn't actually 100% H2 in that volume because we are also generating oxygen, the hydrogen result is far less than half.

[neoartifact]

All orthodox cell designs will have this situation however. So if we are calculating the efficiency of hydrogen production, then yes, it's around 24%. Most cells are like this naturally. The cell pulls exactly the amount it requires to do the work to fracture water add on top of that the system impedances converting energy into other forms (radiative). Like I said, please correct me if I'm wrong.

[neoartifact]

No problem. :) I am thinking of moving on to a different design considering the success of this first one. I am trying to turn the hydrogen generator into a capacitor in a sense and then run the system as an LRC circuit. This way I can see what resonant frequency is best for dissociating hydrogen and oxygen from each other making the system very efficient.

[madbillt66]

Righto,keep us posted eh?

Cheers Bill