Later, on a Bulls fast break, Horace Grant accidently kicks Magic in the back of the head after Magic trips over his teammates foot and falls to the floor. Horace see's him falling and tries to avoid any contact but was too late. Magic leaves the game with a concussion Lakers still win the game.
Ya'll arguing over 1 play over a course of a playoff series all that matters is the Bulls won the playoffs and the championship and started a dynasty which no team then nor present could even touch! #Dropsthemic
Lakers lost this series cuz James Worthy got injured the best scorer for the lakers that season, Kareem had just retired, if this were the showtime lakers from 2 years back, the bulls wouldn't have business being in there
Magic eluded jordan by being a vastly superior player. Magic didn't need to gamble for steals and glory, he was a sound basketball player. No gambling necessary.
@TheNeeks6 No! Magic retired like 2 in steals all time. He guarded all positions. He is the greatest player of all time with Jordan. Sorry guys but it is a close tie. Magic in his prime made Jordan a side show. In this day and age the league wouldnt know what to do with Magic.If he didnt retire early after 11 years he would have got at least one or two more rings. But he still made the Finals 9 times in his career!
@TheNeeks6 No he usually guarded passing lanes and he was one of the best help defenders of his era. It was the one on one D that wasn't strong by Magic. So Magic was gambling too but in other ways playing defence as a help defender. That is the downside of being 6-9 and have to play defence on the perimeter and thats why Magic could always exploite a mismatch in many possitions offensively but the Lakers wouldn't have him guarding good scoring guards one on one.
@TheLAKERSareGodsTeam Vastly superior. NAWWWWW Magic johnson is a great player. But i will MJ's 6 finals MVPs and the Bulls beating the Lakers as my proof.
@roll451 That's not really proof. I mean Magic was in his last season and Jordan was just reaching his prime. Jordan couldn't compete with Larry or Magic in the 80's before Pippen or even for Pippen's first couple of seasons.
I actually agree Jordan is the best of all time, but I'm just saying that's not a good indicator of who is better.
@TheLAKERSareGodsTeam : Superior to whom? Great players make great plays. When great players play each other they are going to get each other at least a few times. For every highlight of Magic eluding Jordan there are 5 highlights of Jordan abusing Magic. 50% of that happened in the 1991 Finals alone. No bias, just facts. If the stats and awards say Michael is better and Magic HIMSELF says Michael is better why is there even a debate on this? Seriously......
@TheLAKERSareGodsTeam : So you commenting on Magic eluding Jordan on this play is not citing a highlight reel? You really didn't just say that did you? *facepalm*
Stats, awards, championships, and statement of the man in question on numerous occasions (Magic Johnson) is not on a highlight reel. Those are what those of us in the real world call 'facts.' I'm sorry you had to be introduced to this phenomenon this way. I know it can be scary, but it'll be o-tay. :)
@D2Kprime ...this play doesnt prove magic was better.. the bulls winning the 91 finals doesnt prove mike was better....whoever was better,it wasnt by much..magic was my favorite player as a kid..i hated mike..i dont think that mike is better just because magic said so..mike puts kobe bryant to shame..it isnt close...but magics impact was so great its hard to comprehend...in any given series,either mke or magic could be the best..paxson and grant destroyed b.scott and a.c. green in the 91 finals
@TheLAKERSareGodsTeam A vastly superior player? Uh what? The dude was a terrible defender and a mediocre midrange shooter. Other than passing MJ's offensive game was much better.
Head to Head Regular Season
Jordan - 32.4ppg, 7.1 rpg 7.0apg 2.5spg 0.8bpg
Magic - 20.1ppg, 5.7rpg 10.8apg 1.1spg 0.0bpg
Head to Head Playoffs
Jordan - 31.2ppg 6.6rpg 11.4apg 2.8spg 1.4bpg on 56%FG
Magic - 18.6ppg 8.0rpg 12.4apg 1.2spg 0.0bpg on 43%FG
Jordan was CLEARLY better when they faced each other.
@boredfun91 This is typical of Jordan fans. Since the days of Marv Albert and Snapper Jones, they've lived with the perpetual delusion that the NBA is a game of head to head basketball. This is why they cite head to head, because they've been taught that things like "Steals per game" and "blocks per game" are meaningful statistics.
But notice that there is no mention of "Field Goal Percentage". This is because we can all agree on 1 thing: Michael Jordan was a ball chucker.
@boredfun91 Magic Johnson entered the League in 1979 and MJ in 1984. Magic was past his prime in the 90s. And let me remind you...in the 80s...Michael Jordan didnt win any rings because Celtics, Lakers and Pistons dominated the era and bulls where shit. Then Scottie Pippen joins the bulls and Kareem retires, Isiah Thomas and Bird get injured and pass their primes. MJ still young and now with Pippen easily win when they face each other.
@boredfun91 Well Magic had to get the ball to the other superstars on the team i mean he had Kareem, Worthy, Scott, Cooper, Divac, Green, and others on his team at some point in his career. He made them all better players by being an unselfish leader who didn't need to take all the shots for his team to win. Believe me if Magic wanted to score 30 a game he could and he could do it at any position. From PG to C. There was no way Jordan could play every position. Magic is the Best!!
@TheLAKERSareGodsTeam Thats funny, because i can show you another video of magic admitting himself that Jordan is the GOAT. How are you gonna say he is a superior player when the player himself says he's not.. Do you think for him now while you wipe and kiss his ass?
@thewolfmanchu Both Worthy and Scott got injured early in game 4 and never returned the rest of the series. Btw, Worthy was hurt going into that series and clearly not the same. The Lakers didn't have Jabbar, Riley, Cooper, Green etc...Magic was past his prime. You cannot compare these Lakers to the 80s showtime Lakers.
@BigTimePride johnson was not past his prime. if he was,he wouldnt have been more efficient than he was in '88 and a couple other seasons in the 80s. 31 is not old. the lakers did have green jordan twisted his knee in the ECF,had an injured toe and tendinitis. check your facts,the lakers did have green..
and before you make those excuses...why dont you consider that sampson was injured vs the 86 celtics and the rockets' starting point guard did not play?
@netcap001 Johnson's knees were shot in 91 and he had HIV. That's past your prime, but he still dominated the Bulls. The showtime Lakers of Jabbar, Riley, Green and Cooper etc... would've destroyed those Bulls. If I recall correctly, both Worthy and Scott couldn't finish the series. Both out during games 4 and 5. Like I said, that wasn't the showtime Lakers. Btw...Boston destroyed those Rockets it wasn't even close.
@BigTimePride johnson got HIV after the 91 finals. im basing this on what he said in his autobiography. johnson dominated everyone,especially the celtics. get the facts straight,green was on the '91 lakers team. johnson was not "past his prime",31 is not an old age. johnson averaged 22-8-12.6 in the playoffs on roughly 15 shot attempts per game.
explain how he was able to produce such great scoring numbers,superior to some of his seasons in the 80s?and why do you ignore jordans injuries?
@BigTimePride Make excuses all you want. The Bulls should have won 4-0 in that series if it wasn't for Sam Perkin's miraculous three in game1. Bottom line, the Bulls took care of business in L.A.
Well I am a fan of the point guard position, so I would say I would rather play like Magic than Jordan. Plus I think the point is harder to play than SG because the point runs the team on the floor and has to contribute, whereas the SG mostly just worries about scoring and defense. Plus I find flashy passes and plays better than crazy dunks and athletic moves.
kobe is better then jordan no doubt. they played in different era's with different players. look at the nba players now compared to jordans time. they've evolved greatly and there is way more star players now. lebron, wade, dirk, dwight i can go on for days
Youre also saying kobe is better than Magic, Bird, Kareem. Kobe fans like you are extremely ignorant. Extremely.
First off if kobe was so great, why did he only score 17 points in the last two games vs the MAVs. The lakers, the HIGHEST paid team in the nba,, RETURNING NBA TWO TIME champs get swept. And who was guarding kobe? Old ass Jason kidd and the midget, jason terry.
Kobe is overrated. What you see on this vid are legends. TRUE laker fans know whats up. Fake ass kobe fans dont
I think i remember this game... later in the fourth, Magic would trip on Horace Grant, gets a concussion.. and Tony Smith would score 8 points in Magic's place to help win the game
@pastorfw Well, I consider Bird & Magic the two best all around players of all time. The biggest difference between Bird and Magic was Bird could shoot the lights out and he was better in the clutch.
@dfjohn07...That skyhook in game 6 was definitely a huge shot, however, as much as I respect Magic Johnson as a great player, he wasn't as good in the clutch as Larry Bird. Jabbar was just as important to the Lakers success and he hit some huge shots as well but Bird was the only guy the Celtics went to in crucial moments.
@KazaamJones - Michael "owned" everyone for the next DECADE.
In Magic's defense, he wasn't a Jordan-type of player and "owned" everyone prior to that. The Laker's time had already passed and it was impressive they even MADE the finals in 1991. Yeah, I guess you can say Jordan "owned" an older Magic and half Lakers squad. Take away 2 of 3 of the teams best players (Worthy & Kareem) and I don't think ANY great player would be able to take it all.
@Edd1e8 Magic didn't "own" the 80s by himself. Both Magic and Bird owned the 80s. Magic just happened to play with another top 5 player of all time. Btw...MJ won nothing until the Celtics and Lakers faded. Draft MJ in 79 with Bird & Magic and his legacy wouldn't be.
@rajko15 There's a huge difference between facing Bird's Celtics and Magic's Lakers as compared to Reggie Miller's Pacers or Gary Payton's Sonics. Use some common sense! There's no way MJ would've won 6 rings if he had been drafted in 79 and there's no way his legacy would be what it is today. Sure he would've been great, but the story would be much different had he faced Bird and Magic every year.
@BigTimePride what i'm saying is bring his whole '96 team back with a 32 year old MJ to face the lakers and celtics of the 80's and the bulls WOULD win. look at what a young jordan did against the celtics basically by himself in the 86' first round.
@rajko15 Bring the whole "96 team" back and I guarantee they don't win 6 titles against Bird, Magic, Dr,J etc...The competition was to strong in the 80s for them to win 6. Btw, what did young MJ do against the Celtics by himself? I'll answer that for you, he won nothing. I'm a life long Celtics fan and watched all the games. Guess you didn't know that following his 63 pt performance in game 2, the Celtics held MJ to 19 points in game 3 for the "sweep" on MJ's homecourt. Teams win not individuals
I think they would. I disagree totally. MJ was ALOT more intelligent than as a rookie. Plus, pip came into his own. Then you had Tony K, something that was NOT common to see, a guy his height taking guys off the dribble at the top of the key. Bulls had 3 pt shooting and was an excellent defensive team.
But as long as youre not saying shit like, "Kobe Bryant is better than all of them including MJ!" i can respect your comment. Im sick of the kobe bullshit.
You need to remember tho, look at the lakers team and birds team. They had a powerhouse squad. MJ didnt. You give mj a strong team, and no one would be able to stand in their way. People seem to forget that. Yeah, no one in the nba could do anything with him.
@Mattixxg What are you talking about MJ didn't have strong teammates? Let me remind you that when MJ retired after 93, the Bulls only dropped 2 games without him and Pippen finished 3rd for MVP. If not for a bad call the Bulls would've been in the ECF that year without MJ. Now look back to 89 when Bird was injured and missed most of the season, the Celtics struggled to reach .500 without him. Care to explain? Haha
@rajko15 bullshit,....the basketball that Magic knew , Jordan had not even seen it in his wildest dreams.Just because Jordan was jumping and sustaining in the air with his flexible body , does that mean he knew better basketball than Magic?Are you kidding us here?Looking at Jordan dribbling the ball was fucking boring,but when you see Magic running down the court and dribbling with this majestic style that only he had , you can tell the difference.
@thkalas Well, you are talking albout two all time greats with different styles obviously. While MJ did a lot his damage vertically, particully in his first 10 seasons, Magic did his by the floor game. Both are just phenomanal and would demolish today's NBA. I have MJ #1 all time and Magic #4, what i loved about these cats is they both brought their A games when it most mattered, the finals. Magic's 42 point game in '80 finals and MJ's 38 point flu game in the '97 finals, first comes to mind.
@delfra70 why magic No4?If Magic had not got injured in the 2nd game in 1989 finals, he would have won 6 rings and if Scott and Worthy had not got injured during th 91 finals, maybe 7 rings. And don;t forget magic's career got short coz of the HIV, or else he would have played for 3-4 more years and maybe he would have won more titles.So...who do you put as number 2 and 3?Chamberlain and Jabbar?Why?coz chamberlain was playing basketball in my granpas's era?Or because Kareem was good in hookshots
@thkalas That's a fair enough question and it's one i personally juggle with. Sometimes i do feel like Magic could even be higher, and he might be. In my opinion MJ,Magic,Russell,Kareem and Wilt make up my top 5. When you think about Magic and MJ, they both impacted the game like centers and that's saying a lot because usually periminter players don't have that kind of impact, no matter how good they are. I think some people are not old enough to remember how great Magic was, but i do,believe me
What i hate is seeing dumbasses like the idiot saying kobe is better than jordan. Most people who are just kobe fans and NOT laker fans say stupid shit like that. They forget everything everyone else contributed because kobe, who is a shot jacker, scoring 81 vs the WORST TEAM WITH THE WORST RECORD IN THE NBA, they think is so great, yet loses championships with extremely poor shooting. Ill never see kobe as one of the laker all time greats. If he is, hell always be behind them
@Mattixxg Right, i take nothing away from Kobe, he is a great player, the 81 points was a great performance, but like you said, let's keep it in perspective. Hell MJ scoring 63 Points against the '86 champion Celtics at the Boston Garden and nearly single handedly beating Boston, now that is impressive. Magic as a rookie leading his team to a victory on the road against Dr.J and the Sixers without Kareem, very impressive. As good as Kobe is, he has never accomplised those kinds of feats.
@delfra70 The way I see it, Kobe is today's Jordan. Well, was. He's nearing his end. Other players WILL pass Kobe, don't get me wrong, but I truly believe we will not find another Jordan. Ever.
@vmak1979 Oh he certainly is today's Jordan, but like you said he is starting to slow down. Kobe will be what, 33 years old this season i think. It's amazing that at 33 MJ was winning the All Star MVP,Regular Season MVP and Finals MVP, all while leading the Bulls to an unprecedented record breaking 72 win season. I don't think we'll see another MJ either, maybe players similar physically but not the whole package, and we definantly won't see another Magic either, truly unique special players.
@Mattixxg I can't stand Kobe and I never liked MJ so my opinion isn't bias. I watched them both play. There's no comparison, Jordan was a much better player.
@BigTimePride - agreed. The 80s were very competative and it had several legendary teams. I always like to ask a similar questions to the one you asked: What if Jordan and Magic exchanged eras?
What if Magic's teams faced the 90s Knicks, Suns, Blazers, Jazz and Sonics? And Jordan had the 80s player conditioning (no offseason workouts or weights). How many titles would they have during that era?
@Mattixxg The Bulls couldn't stop Larry Bird either so what's your point? The stars will always find ways to shine but it's not about being an individual star, it's about which star can make his team play the best basketball. Go ahead and bring up MJ's 63 pt performance in game 2 in the Garden and I'll remind you that they held Jordan to 19 in the very next game on his homecourt for the sweep. 80s Boston and LA would beat any 90s Bulls team b/c Magic & Larry understood the game better than MJ.
@BigTimePride I strongly disagree that they "understood" the game better. Jordan knew everything there was about basketball. Fact of the matter is, Magic and Larry knew their TEAMS better than Jordan knew his. Jordan was a one man army, and Magic/Larry were the best soldiers of their army. They all knew what they were doing. They all played different positions, so they are not comparable. Lebron and Bird are. Kobe and Jordan are. but you can't compare a SG to a PG or a SF.
@vmak1979 I get a kick out of people trying to down play MJ's teammates. Make no mistake, those Bulls were stacked. When MJ retired the 1st time, they only dropped 2 games without him and nearly reached the ECF and Pippen finished 3rd for MVP that season. That certainly isn't a "one man army". Personally, I think Magic and Bird understood the game better. I don't think MJ could've won without Phil Jackson. I do believe Bird and Magic could've won without KC, or Riley. Actually Bird won under 2.
@BigTimePride I disagree... Jordan was going to climb to the top whether he was being coached by Jackson or Bieber. Pippen was Jordan's wingman. Every team has their star and his wingman. They dropped 2 games in the regular season, but in the Finals, they needed him. He had a good team, but he was the face of the Bulls. When you thought Bulls, you thought MJ. Even if you think he didn't know the game as well, I see it as there's a right way, a wrong way, and then there's Jordan's way.
@vmak1979 We'll never know if MJ could've climbed without Phil. As for MJ being the face of the Bulls, sure he was, but he also had a stacked team just like Bird and Magic did. Keep in mind Bird was the face of the Celtics and Magic was the face of the Lakers. There's Jordan's way, Bird's way and Magic's way. They were all awesome but in different ways.
@KazaamJones Haha...is that why they had to put Pippen on Magic in the finals???? MJ couldn't slow Magic down and the Lakers stole game 1 in Chicago. And another thing, both Worthy and Scott got injured in that series and never returned. Along with injuries,the Lakers no longer had Jabbar, Cooper, Green or Riley either. You had better believe the 80s Lakers would've crushed the 90s Bulls.
@KazaamJones If I recall correctly, didn't they had to have Pippen cover Magic because Jordan couldn't contain him. The Bulls lost game 1 in Chicago because MJ couldn't slow Magic. Then later in the series during game 4, both Worthy & Scott were injured and never returned for the rest of game 4 or 5. Yeah, MJ beat an aging Magic Johnson who had no team around him. Make no mistake, the Showtime Lakers of the 80s would've destroyed Jordan's Bulls.
@BigTimePride Phil made the switch because Jordan was fatigued from shouldering so much of the offensive load. He averaged 33 PPG and beat Magic at his own game with 11 APG in that series. Jordan didn't play Magic as well as Pip, but that's because Pip wasn't the to-to guy on offense, therefore being more fresh. Not to mention it being logical to put Pip on Magic because he's bigger and longer than MJ. I do agree that the Showtime Lakers would beat the Bulls, but not by as much as you think.
@KazaamJones They made the switch because Magic really hurt them in game 1 and the Lakers stole homecourt advantage. MJ couldn't contain Magic and that's why they lost. Pippen did a much better job. It was a great move by Phil Jackson. As for the showtime Lakers (my opinion) I think they would wipe the Bulls out and so would the 80s Celtics. They were simply too good in the frontcourt and could play any style of game where as the Bulls were limited.
@BigTimePride I recall Jordan guarding Magic routinely during the proceeding games of that series and doing a good job, so it definitely wasn't all Pip. And the Bulls frontcourt wasn't that great, but it was good enough to beat teams that had guys like Shaq, Ewing, Malone, and Barkley so I see no reason to believe they couldn't do the same to guys like McHale, Parish and Kareem. We'll just agree to disagree.
@KazaamJones I recall Pippen routinely guarding Magic during that series after they lost in game one. Those teams that had Shaq, Ewing, Malone and Barkley didn't have the talented teammates beside them in the frontcourt like the Celtics and Lakers of the 80s. Double Kareem and Worthy would eat you alive because Magic would find him. Double McHale and Bird would beat you or he'd find Parish. Double Ewing and ?. Double Malone and ? You're right, we'll just have to disagree.
@XxUnonxX More like the other way around, Malone had Stockton. Utah did not have the talent like the 80s teams had. Furthermore, Malone is possibly the biggest choker in Finals history. They had the Bulls beat but Malone choked the series away in numerous ways. He missed crucial free throws, got to ball stolen in the post during the closing minutes etc....Bird would've nailed those FTs and he would've saw MJ coming on that steal.
@BigTimePride...permit me to apply your logic on larry bird before you continue that nitpicking practice. lets not forget that bird "achieved" his titles vs the 40-42 rockets,a rockets teams with suspensions,and has a 1-2 record vs the lakers in the finals. was a career loser vs dr.j until erving turned 35 years old. i can nitpick on bird the exact way you do on jordan. if we should devalue championships and diminish players' greatness with nitpicking,birds career is just as bogus as jordans.
@BigTimePride no,on the contrary,i make absolute sense.
1-2 vs julius erving till he turned 35...%33 winning %
1-2 vs magic johnson in the finals..the same
he lost more vs these guys than he won..get it?if bird was 3-0 vs both these guys,your analogy would make sense. bird beat one of the worst lakers teams,the regular season records prove that. the best team he beat had 54 wins..
and some other facts for you...bird has lost 7 playoff series with homecourt advantage.
@netcap001 Go back and read my original post. This wasn't about Larry Bird. I said the showtime Lakers would've destroyed the 90s Bulls. I added that the great Celtics teams of the 80s would've beat them as well. Never tried to get into a Larry Bird arguement etc....I am talking about great teams. The Bulls were very good but they didn't have the all around game like the 80s Celtics and Lakers plain and simple.
@BigTimePride Seriously? I think you're underestimating the value of shooters, which Parish and Worthy were not. Shaq, Ewing, Malone and Barkley all had shooters on their squads to help space the floor. If the Bulls did double team Kareem or McHale (which they wouldn't, at least not every play like you seem to believe), Bird or Magic would more likely dish the ball to guys like Ainge, Scott, Cooper or Green on the perimeter.
@KazaamJones The Bulls had no answer for Jabbar. They would've been forced to double team him or he would've dropped 30 on them every night. Worthy had a big height advantage over PIppen or Rodman. The Bulls didn't have anyone of that caliber in their frontcourt. And if Bird, Parish and McHale weren't enough, the Celtics had Bill Walton coming off the bench and Walton was better than their starting center.
Got Mike lookin Stupid
9612Max 1 day ago
"It's SHOWTIME" haha
grownman455 2 days ago
I love it how Magic went back on D before Vlade even completed the dunk
vargas218 1 week ago
Really... Scott, Divac and Magic 3 on 1. WTF was Paxon gonna do?
venuecam 1 week ago
Jordan clearly was better of the 2 anyways... both top 10 of all time
dragonsfoe99 1 week ago
& here I thought Jordan was the greatest of all time??
stinkyleg11 2 weeks ago
Wait...Michael Jordan actually missed a shot?
CerebralPrince10 2 weeks ago
Anyone who ever tries to compare Lebronze to Magic needs to get slapped!
deepdriedspam 4 weeks ago
Finals MVP is chosen by popular vote, not athletic competition.
TheLAKERSareGodsTeam 1 month ago
Of course both played entirely different. Both were incredibly great basketball players. But talking legacy wise.
roll451 1 month ago
I only see Michael thinking Magic would go left, but he did right. It wasnt an amazing dribble, just part of the game.
MadridNFRoses 2 months ago
vintage magic!!
oceans19711 2 months ago
11 assists for Magic Johnson, 45 shot attempts for jordan.
TheLAKERSareGodsTeam 2 months ago
I have this game on a VHS tape somewhere...lol.
Later, on a Bulls fast break, Horace Grant accidently kicks Magic in the back of the head after Magic trips over his teammates foot and falls to the floor. Horace see's him falling and tries to avoid any contact but was too late. Magic leaves the game with a concussion Lakers still win the game.
stewiedog01 2 months ago
Ya'll arguing over 1 play over a course of a playoff series all that matters is the Bulls won the playoffs and the championship and started a dynasty which no team then nor present could even touch! #Dropsthemic
ATLRYDA2007 2 months ago
@ATLRYDA2007 Actually genius, this was in a regular season game.
cbaldwinjr 2 months ago
when i see these things i absolutely know what kind of sport is basketball: "magic"
football (soccer, not rugby) is something but this is even better!
sasuke65743 2 months ago
@yeon723 Jordan should have come ready to play instead of posing for the dunk shot.
TheLAKERSareGodsTeam 2 months ago
showtime baby
Jul1boss 2 months ago
I've said it before and I'll say it again: Magic Johnson is the most over-hyped and overrated basketball of all time.
McButtster 3 months ago
@McButtster Since when was Magic Johnson a basketball? LMAO
jan279 3 months ago 2
@McButtster yea spaulding is way better
MrJtotheohnnn 3 months ago
Lakers lost this series cuz James Worthy got injured the best scorer for the lakers that season, Kareem had just retired, if this were the showtime lakers from 2 years back, the bulls wouldn't have business being in there
charliebell01 3 months ago
@charliebell01 All you needed was a time-machine and the lakers might have beaten the Bulls.
TheNeeks6 3 months ago
@charliebell01 The Bulls would have beaten the Lakers anyway...with or without James Worthy!
Domini478 1 month ago
Magic carried the shit out of that ball. The ball was all the way up to his shoulders lol.
GrooTheWanderer80 3 months ago
@GrooTheWanderer80 How was it a carry?
brownie003 3 months ago
This was the game that Magic got KO'd right Gold Laker? When Tony Smith was big in the 4th quarter in his place?
cbaldwinjr 3 months ago
i will be a die-hard laker fan 'till my last breath here on earth!!!!!!!
KOBE ALL DA WAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SuperThrillerboy 3 months ago
my father always say that magic is better than jordan.
abuevamonster 4 months ago
@abuevamonster He is probably a Laker fan.
xXILOVEGIRLSXx123 3 months ago
@xXILOVEGIRLSXx123 maybe but he hated the lakers when kobe started being a leader.
sorry for poor english..
abuevamonster 3 months ago
DIVAC !
wladosu 4 months ago
Magic eluded jordan by being a vastly superior player. Magic didn't need to gamble for steals and glory, he was a sound basketball player. No gambling necessary.
TheLAKERSareGodsTeam 4 months ago 14
@TheLAKERSareGodsTeam Wasn't Magic was a notorious gambler o D, Didnt he usually guard the worst player and play safety?
TheNeeks6 3 months ago 21
@TheNeeks6 he sure did and CONSTANTLY traveled. awesome player, but he's no saint and possibly the worst night show host ever.
AvEryBadApPLe 3 months ago
@TheNeeks6 No! Magic retired like 2 in steals all time. He guarded all positions. He is the greatest player of all time with Jordan. Sorry guys but it is a close tie. Magic in his prime made Jordan a side show. In this day and age the league wouldnt know what to do with Magic.If he didnt retire early after 11 years he would have got at least one or two more rings. But he still made the Finals 9 times in his career!
DaddyKyan 3 months ago
@DaddyKyan Playing with Kareem will help anyone
yeon723 3 months ago
@yeon723 Of course but Magic extended The Captains career at least 7 years
DaddyKyan 3 months ago
@TheNeeks6 Actually Michael Jordan was a much bigger gambler than Magic. It even got him in trouble before.
yerok 2 months ago
@yerok Might have cost his father his life...so much about that death people still don't know about. Michael's first 'retirement' as well...
cbaldwinjr 2 months ago
@cbaldwinjr Exactly
yerok 2 months ago
@TheNeeks6 No he usually guarded passing lanes and he was one of the best help defenders of his era. It was the one on one D that wasn't strong by Magic. So Magic was gambling too but in other ways playing defence as a help defender. That is the downside of being 6-9 and have to play defence on the perimeter and thats why Magic could always exploite a mismatch in many possitions offensively but the Lakers wouldn't have him guarding good scoring guards one on one.
greendynasty32 2 weeks ago
@TheLAKERSareGodsTeam A statement like yours off one transition play where Jordan wasn't even ready.
yeon723 3 months ago
@TheLAKERSareGodsTeam you have to gamble in basketball. and magic is great, but no way in hell is he vastly superior to MJ
datfunkyfresh 2 months ago
@datfunkyfresh Amen. There is a video (type: Magic said MJ is the greatest) where he said MJ is better than him!!!
BigdogH201 2 months ago
@TheLAKERSareGodsTeam Absolutely PERFECT comment.
mafreire11 2 months ago
@TheLAKERSareGodsTeam
lol. too bad he's not as good as Jordan in basketball
Dkouts57 2 months ago
@TheLAKERSareGodsTeam Vastly superior. NAWWWWW Magic johnson is a great player. But i will MJ's 6 finals MVPs and the Bulls beating the Lakers as my proof.
roll451 1 month ago
@roll451 That's not really proof. I mean Magic was in his last season and Jordan was just reaching his prime. Jordan couldn't compete with Larry or Magic in the 80's before Pippen or even for Pippen's first couple of seasons.
I actually agree Jordan is the best of all time, but I'm just saying that's not a good indicator of who is better.
sumskater999 1 month ago
@roll451 Championships alone do not make a great player. If they did, we'd be talking about Bill Russell's 11 championships.
TheLAKERSareGodsTeam 1 month ago
@TheLAKERSareGodsTeam i didnt say championships. I said FINALS MVP.
roll451 1 month ago
@TheLAKERSareGodsTeam Bill russell TEAM has 11 championships
roll451 1 month ago
@TheLAKERSareGodsTeam MJ is the greatest!
Domini478 1 month ago
@TheLAKERSareGodsTeam : Superior to whom? Great players make great plays. When great players play each other they are going to get each other at least a few times. For every highlight of Magic eluding Jordan there are 5 highlights of Jordan abusing Magic. 50% of that happened in the 1991 Finals alone. No bias, just facts. If the stats and awards say Michael is better and Magic HIMSELF says Michael is better why is there even a debate on this? Seriously......
D2Kprime 1 month ago
@D2Kprime this is typical of Jordan fans. They cite highlight reels rather than citing game.
TheLAKERSareGodsTeam 1 month ago
@TheLAKERSareGodsTeam : So you commenting on Magic eluding Jordan on this play is not citing a highlight reel? You really didn't just say that did you? *facepalm*
Stats, awards, championships, and statement of the man in question on numerous occasions (Magic Johnson) is not on a highlight reel. Those are what those of us in the real world call 'facts.' I'm sorry you had to be introduced to this phenomenon this way. I know it can be scary, but it'll be o-tay. :)
D2Kprime 1 month ago
@D2Kprime ...this play doesnt prove magic was better.. the bulls winning the 91 finals doesnt prove mike was better....whoever was better,it wasnt by much..magic was my favorite player as a kid..i hated mike..i dont think that mike is better just because magic said so..mike puts kobe bryant to shame..it isnt close...but magics impact was so great its hard to comprehend...in any given series,either mke or magic could be the best..paxson and grant destroyed b.scott and a.c. green in the 91 finals
shaqpopcorn34 3 weeks ago
@TheLAKERSareGodsTeam he loses the game
samqueler 1 month ago
@TheLAKERSareGodsTeam A vastly superior player? Uh what? The dude was a terrible defender and a mediocre midrange shooter. Other than passing MJ's offensive game was much better.
Head to Head Regular Season
Jordan - 32.4ppg, 7.1 rpg 7.0apg 2.5spg 0.8bpg
Magic - 20.1ppg, 5.7rpg 10.8apg 1.1spg 0.0bpg
Head to Head Playoffs
Jordan - 31.2ppg 6.6rpg 11.4apg 2.8spg 1.4bpg on 56%FG
Magic - 18.6ppg 8.0rpg 12.4apg 1.2spg 0.0bpg on 43%FG
Jordan was CLEARLY better when they faced each other.
boredfun91 2 weeks ago
@boredfun91 This is typical of Jordan fans. Since the days of Marv Albert and Snapper Jones, they've lived with the perpetual delusion that the NBA is a game of head to head basketball. This is why they cite head to head, because they've been taught that things like "Steals per game" and "blocks per game" are meaningful statistics.
But notice that there is no mention of "Field Goal Percentage". This is because we can all agree on 1 thing: Michael Jordan was a ball chucker.
TheLAKERSareGodsTeam 2 weeks ago
@boredfun91 Magic Johnson entered the League in 1979 and MJ in 1984. Magic was past his prime in the 90s. And let me remind you...in the 80s...Michael Jordan didnt win any rings because Celtics, Lakers and Pistons dominated the era and bulls where shit. Then Scottie Pippen joins the bulls and Kareem retires, Isiah Thomas and Bird get injured and pass their primes. MJ still young and now with Pippen easily win when they face each other.
nieto1992 2 weeks ago
@boredfun91 Well Magic had to get the ball to the other superstars on the team i mean he had Kareem, Worthy, Scott, Cooper, Divac, Green, and others on his team at some point in his career. He made them all better players by being an unselfish leader who didn't need to take all the shots for his team to win. Believe me if Magic wanted to score 30 a game he could and he could do it at any position. From PG to C. There was no way Jordan could play every position. Magic is the Best!!
syntheticoil58x 1 week ago
@TheLAKERSareGodsTeam Thats funny, because i can show you another video of magic admitting himself that Jordan is the GOAT. How are you gonna say he is a superior player when the player himself says he's not.. Do you think for him now while you wipe and kiss his ass?
CrazybeatsFire1217 1 week ago
Magic might have gotten that pass off, but who won the finals that year?
lawlapalooza 4 months ago
@lawlapalooza Who has more championships? ...that's what I thought.
JohnLeeMD 2 months ago
@JohnLeeMD Robert Horry has 7, so I guess he's better than both.
tjd10 2 months ago
@tjd10 I'm talking about as franchises.
JohnLeeMD 2 months ago
Larry Bird>Scottie Pippen>Michael Jordan ;)
BASKETBALLJEZUS 4 months ago
If Lebron was drafted in 79 He'd be a hall of famer now and recognized as the greatest
2enchant 4 months ago
Of course I will point out that the Bulls beat the Lakers in 5 on L.A.'s home court in the 91 finals!
thewolfmanchu 5 months ago
@thewolfmanchu Both Worthy and Scott got injured early in game 4 and never returned the rest of the series. Btw, Worthy was hurt going into that series and clearly not the same. The Lakers didn't have Jabbar, Riley, Cooper, Green etc...Magic was past his prime. You cannot compare these Lakers to the 80s showtime Lakers.
BigTimePride 4 months ago
@BigTimePride johnson was not past his prime. if he was,he wouldnt have been more efficient than he was in '88 and a couple other seasons in the 80s. 31 is not old. the lakers did have green jordan twisted his knee in the ECF,had an injured toe and tendinitis. check your facts,the lakers did have green..
and before you make those excuses...why dont you consider that sampson was injured vs the 86 celtics and the rockets' starting point guard did not play?
netcap001 4 months ago
@netcap001 Johnson's knees were shot in 91 and he had HIV. That's past your prime, but he still dominated the Bulls. The showtime Lakers of Jabbar, Riley, Green and Cooper etc... would've destroyed those Bulls. If I recall correctly, both Worthy and Scott couldn't finish the series. Both out during games 4 and 5. Like I said, that wasn't the showtime Lakers. Btw...Boston destroyed those Rockets it wasn't even close.
BigTimePride 4 months ago
@BigTimePride johnson got HIV after the 91 finals. im basing this on what he said in his autobiography. johnson dominated everyone,especially the celtics. get the facts straight,green was on the '91 lakers team. johnson was not "past his prime",31 is not an old age. johnson averaged 22-8-12.6 in the playoffs on roughly 15 shot attempts per game.
explain how he was able to produce such great scoring numbers,superior to some of his seasons in the 80s?and why do you ignore jordans injuries?
netcap001 4 months ago
@BigTimePride Make excuses all you want. The Bulls should have won 4-0 in that series if it wasn't for Sam Perkin's miraculous three in game1. Bottom line, the Bulls took care of business in L.A.
thewolfmanchu 4 months ago
WOW did you see how fast Jordan recovered???
blkattk2 5 months ago
magic ran like a big center
itZjstPotna 5 months ago
how the fuck is here a kobe mj comparison ... omg
SilentWarrior06 5 months ago
WHY IS EVERYONE TALKING ABOUT KOBE AND JORDAN HERE? THIS VIDEO IS ALL ABOUT MAGIC ! WHAT A PLAY ! WHO PASSES LIKE THAT
?
mike78314 5 months ago
@mike78314 good point
thewolfmanchu 5 months ago
@thewolfmanchu THANK YOU !
mike78314 4 months ago
Well I am a fan of the point guard position, so I would say I would rather play like Magic than Jordan. Plus I think the point is harder to play than SG because the point runs the team on the floor and has to contribute, whereas the SG mostly just worries about scoring and defense. Plus I find flashy passes and plays better than crazy dunks and athletic moves.
xyzcannon92 5 months ago
Jordan shits on Magic
rafikz77 5 months ago
@rafikz77 Aww, did the video hurt the Jordan ball-slurper's feewings?
TheBrainMachine78 5 months ago
look at mjs body compared to kobes body at the same age. Mj is in much greater shape.
legendarygospel 5 months ago
behind his back my ass, damn i hate commentators like this
blaargh33 6 months ago
kobe is better then jordan no doubt. they played in different era's with different players. look at the nba players now compared to jordans time. they've evolved greatly and there is way more star players now. lebron, wade, dirk, dwight i can go on for days
lifficus 6 months ago
@lifficus
Youre also saying kobe is better than Magic, Bird, Kareem. Kobe fans like you are extremely ignorant. Extremely.
First off if kobe was so great, why did he only score 17 points in the last two games vs the MAVs. The lakers, the HIGHEST paid team in the nba,, RETURNING NBA TWO TIME champs get swept. And who was guarding kobe? Old ass Jason kidd and the midget, jason terry.
Kobe is overrated. What you see on this vid are legends. TRUE laker fans know whats up. Fake ass kobe fans dont
Mattixxg 6 months ago
Magic n Bird was way betta den jordan...Dey saved the NBA
TheSwaggaking09 6 months ago
@TheSwaggaking09 at last...here's someone who finally said the right thing, that Magic and Bird are way better than Jordan.
thkalas 6 months ago
@TheSwaggaking09
They had better teams, no doubt.
Mattixxg 6 months ago
the camera men for lakers in the 80's must have had head aches cause of magic's fakes
cavite7air 6 months ago
for as long as a live i will fight against Jordan's legacy.
thkalas 7 months ago
MAGIC!!!
Vam999 7 months ago
Magic left the game with a concussion and Lakers still won this one, right?
Edd1e8 7 months ago
You reach i teach
bxrfan 7 months ago
@bxrfan LMFAOO true dat
tenkai1590 7 months ago
MAGIC IS THE BEST EVER !!!!!!
990kozak 8 months ago
Showtime!!!
LittleFundamental 8 months ago
Magic's the only player ever that could make MJ look bad.. lol
oneman91 9 months ago
@oneman91 and sometimes kobe
Hankywu 8 months ago
@Hankywu No way man
spainbarcarealmadrid 8 months ago
I think i remember this game... later in the fourth, Magic would trip on Horace Grant, gets a concussion.. and Tony Smith would score 8 points in Magic's place to help win the game
BigBoyBato 9 months ago
0:21 travel
MrCasanova128 9 months ago
Damn, Magic was so sick...
Erikhaos 9 months ago
Tto bad the Lakers lost these finals to the Bulls. The Bulls won it 4 games to 1.
MrCuauhtemocchih 11 months ago
at that last view i had no clue where the ball was until somehow divac had it!
Redsoxlakes24 11 months ago
VLADE DIVAC!
marepfcnbg 11 months ago
Hey MJ...that wasn't John Starks or Gary Payton you were going up against. That was Magic and you were owned!
BigTimePride 1 year ago
@BigTimePride
i totally agree with you. magic is the greatest all around player of all time
pastorfw 10 months ago
@pastorfw Well, I consider Bird & Magic the two best all around players of all time. The biggest difference between Bird and Magic was Bird could shoot the lights out and he was better in the clutch.
BigTimePride 10 months ago
@BigTimePride You say Bird is more clutch? Game winning sky hook. Nuff said.
dfjohn07 9 months ago
@dfjohn07...That skyhook in game 6 was definitely a huge shot, however, as much as I respect Magic Johnson as a great player, he wasn't as good in the clutch as Larry Bird. Jabbar was just as important to the Lakers success and he hit some huge shots as well but Bird was the only guy the Celtics went to in crucial moments.
BigTimePride 9 months ago
@BigTimePride DENNIS JOHNSON ??? R.I.P.
peskelj 8 months ago
@pastorfw I love Magic and the old school Lakers, but magic would be the first one to call MJ the GOAT
isaachaze1 9 months ago
@pastorfw No.
dfjohn07 9 months ago
@pastorfw mj is better than magic
Mr420woo 8 months ago
@BigTimePride Yeah too bad Michael owned Magic during the Finals that year... you know, when it counts THE MOST.
KazaamJones 7 months ago
@KazaamJones - Michael "owned" everyone for the next DECADE.
In Magic's defense, he wasn't a Jordan-type of player and "owned" everyone prior to that. The Laker's time had already passed and it was impressive they even MADE the finals in 1991. Yeah, I guess you can say Jordan "owned" an older Magic and half Lakers squad. Take away 2 of 3 of the teams best players (Worthy & Kareem) and I don't think ANY great player would be able to take it all.
Edd1e8 7 months ago
@Edd1e8 Magic didn't "own" the 80s by himself. Both Magic and Bird owned the 80s. Magic just happened to play with another top 5 player of all time. Btw...MJ won nothing until the Celtics and Lakers faded. Draft MJ in 79 with Bird & Magic and his legacy wouldn't be.
BigTimePride 7 months ago
@BigTimePride If MJ was drafted in '79, he would still go down as the greatest player ever.... enough said.
rajko15 7 months ago 12
@rajko15 There's a huge difference between facing Bird's Celtics and Magic's Lakers as compared to Reggie Miller's Pacers or Gary Payton's Sonics. Use some common sense! There's no way MJ would've won 6 rings if he had been drafted in 79 and there's no way his legacy would be what it is today. Sure he would've been great, but the story would be much different had he faced Bird and Magic every year.
BigTimePride 7 months ago
@BigTimePride what i'm saying is bring his whole '96 team back with a 32 year old MJ to face the lakers and celtics of the 80's and the bulls WOULD win. look at what a young jordan did against the celtics basically by himself in the 86' first round.
rajko15 7 months ago
@rajko15 Bring the whole "96 team" back and I guarantee they don't win 6 titles against Bird, Magic, Dr,J etc...The competition was to strong in the 80s for them to win 6. Btw, what did young MJ do against the Celtics by himself? I'll answer that for you, he won nothing. I'm a life long Celtics fan and watched all the games. Guess you didn't know that following his 63 pt performance in game 2, the Celtics held MJ to 19 points in game 3 for the "sweep" on MJ's homecourt. Teams win not individuals
BigTimePride 7 months ago
@BigTimePride
I think they would. I disagree totally. MJ was ALOT more intelligent than as a rookie. Plus, pip came into his own. Then you had Tony K, something that was NOT common to see, a guy his height taking guys off the dribble at the top of the key. Bulls had 3 pt shooting and was an excellent defensive team.
But as long as youre not saying shit like, "Kobe Bryant is better than all of them including MJ!" i can respect your comment. Im sick of the kobe bullshit.
Mattixxg 6 months ago
@BigTimePride
You need to remember tho, look at the lakers team and birds team. They had a powerhouse squad. MJ didnt. You give mj a strong team, and no one would be able to stand in their way. People seem to forget that. Yeah, no one in the nba could do anything with him.
Mattixxg 6 months ago
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@Mattixxg What are you talking about MJ didn't have strong teammates? Let me remind you that when MJ retired after 93, the Bulls only dropped 2 games without him and Pippen finished 3rd for MVP. If not for a bad call the Bulls would've been in the ECF that year without MJ. Now look back to 89 when Bird was injured and missed most of the season, the Celtics struggled to reach .500 without him. Care to explain? Haha
BigTimePride 6 months ago
@rajko15 bullshit,....the basketball that Magic knew , Jordan had not even seen it in his wildest dreams.Just because Jordan was jumping and sustaining in the air with his flexible body , does that mean he knew better basketball than Magic?Are you kidding us here?Looking at Jordan dribbling the ball was fucking boring,but when you see Magic running down the court and dribbling with this majestic style that only he had , you can tell the difference.
thkalas 7 months ago
@thkalas Well, you are talking albout two all time greats with different styles obviously. While MJ did a lot his damage vertically, particully in his first 10 seasons, Magic did his by the floor game. Both are just phenomanal and would demolish today's NBA. I have MJ #1 all time and Magic #4, what i loved about these cats is they both brought their A games when it most mattered, the finals. Magic's 42 point game in '80 finals and MJ's 38 point flu game in the '97 finals, first comes to mind.
delfra70 7 months ago
@delfra70 why magic No4?If Magic had not got injured in the 2nd game in 1989 finals, he would have won 6 rings and if Scott and Worthy had not got injured during th 91 finals, maybe 7 rings. And don;t forget magic's career got short coz of the HIV, or else he would have played for 3-4 more years and maybe he would have won more titles.So...who do you put as number 2 and 3?Chamberlain and Jabbar?Why?coz chamberlain was playing basketball in my granpas's era?Or because Kareem was good in hookshots
thkalas 7 months ago
@thkalas That's a fair enough question and it's one i personally juggle with. Sometimes i do feel like Magic could even be higher, and he might be. In my opinion MJ,Magic,Russell,Kareem and Wilt make up my top 5. When you think about Magic and MJ, they both impacted the game like centers and that's saying a lot because usually periminter players don't have that kind of impact, no matter how good they are. I think some people are not old enough to remember how great Magic was, but i do,believe me
delfra70 7 months ago
@delfra70 ;-)
thkalas 6 months ago
@delfra70
What i hate is seeing dumbasses like the idiot saying kobe is better than jordan. Most people who are just kobe fans and NOT laker fans say stupid shit like that. They forget everything everyone else contributed because kobe, who is a shot jacker, scoring 81 vs the WORST TEAM WITH THE WORST RECORD IN THE NBA, they think is so great, yet loses championships with extremely poor shooting. Ill never see kobe as one of the laker all time greats. If he is, hell always be behind them
Mattixxg 6 months ago
@Mattixxg Right, i take nothing away from Kobe, he is a great player, the 81 points was a great performance, but like you said, let's keep it in perspective. Hell MJ scoring 63 Points against the '86 champion Celtics at the Boston Garden and nearly single handedly beating Boston, now that is impressive. Magic as a rookie leading his team to a victory on the road against Dr.J and the Sixers without Kareem, very impressive. As good as Kobe is, he has never accomplised those kinds of feats.
delfra70 6 months ago
@delfra70 The way I see it, Kobe is today's Jordan. Well, was. He's nearing his end. Other players WILL pass Kobe, don't get me wrong, but I truly believe we will not find another Jordan. Ever.
vmak1979 6 months ago
@vmak1979 Oh he certainly is today's Jordan, but like you said he is starting to slow down. Kobe will be what, 33 years old this season i think. It's amazing that at 33 MJ was winning the All Star MVP,Regular Season MVP and Finals MVP, all while leading the Bulls to an unprecedented record breaking 72 win season. I don't think we'll see another MJ either, maybe players similar physically but not the whole package, and we definantly won't see another Magic either, truly unique special players.
delfra70 6 months ago
@Mattixxg I can't stand Kobe and I never liked MJ so my opinion isn't bias. I watched them both play. There's no comparison, Jordan was a much better player.
BigTimePride 6 months ago 10
@BigTimePride well if you cant stand Kobe but only dont like Jordan then it is bias .
loplification 6 months ago
@BigTimePride still bias because you cant stand kobe but merely just don't like MJ
Francois1000 6 months ago
@Francois1000 My point is I can't stand either of them. I disliked both of them equally.
BigTimePride 6 months ago
@rajko15 really...
thkalas 6 months ago
@rajko15 nope...
JMFTiM3 6 months ago
@rajko15
HE will NEVER be the greatest player ever.... (dont worry) neither will kobe or magic johnson...i know who it is, and surely aint them.
no, not wilt, or bird... for GREATness is defined by how GREAT a player gives his team a chance at winning.
PurePower025 5 months ago
@BigTimePride - agreed. The 80s were very competative and it had several legendary teams. I always like to ask a similar questions to the one you asked: What if Jordan and Magic exchanged eras?
What if Magic's teams faced the 90s Knicks, Suns, Blazers, Jazz and Sonics? And Jordan had the 80s player conditioning (no offseason workouts or weights). How many titles would they have during that era?
Edd1e8 7 months ago
@BigTimePride
Again, those two teams were virtually all star teams.
Not even they could stop MJ. But even with MJs godlike abilities, you cant stop a good team. No one can.
Kobe has yet to learn that...MJ did.
Mattixxg 6 months ago
@Mattixxg The Bulls couldn't stop Larry Bird either so what's your point? The stars will always find ways to shine but it's not about being an individual star, it's about which star can make his team play the best basketball. Go ahead and bring up MJ's 63 pt performance in game 2 in the Garden and I'll remind you that they held Jordan to 19 in the very next game on his homecourt for the sweep. 80s Boston and LA would beat any 90s Bulls team b/c Magic & Larry understood the game better than MJ.
BigTimePride 6 months ago
@BigTimePride I strongly disagree that they "understood" the game better. Jordan knew everything there was about basketball. Fact of the matter is, Magic and Larry knew their TEAMS better than Jordan knew his. Jordan was a one man army, and Magic/Larry were the best soldiers of their army. They all knew what they were doing. They all played different positions, so they are not comparable. Lebron and Bird are. Kobe and Jordan are. but you can't compare a SG to a PG or a SF.
vmak1979 6 months ago
@vmak1979 I get a kick out of people trying to down play MJ's teammates. Make no mistake, those Bulls were stacked. When MJ retired the 1st time, they only dropped 2 games without him and nearly reached the ECF and Pippen finished 3rd for MVP that season. That certainly isn't a "one man army". Personally, I think Magic and Bird understood the game better. I don't think MJ could've won without Phil Jackson. I do believe Bird and Magic could've won without KC, or Riley. Actually Bird won under 2.
BigTimePride 6 months ago
@BigTimePride I disagree... Jordan was going to climb to the top whether he was being coached by Jackson or Bieber. Pippen was Jordan's wingman. Every team has their star and his wingman. They dropped 2 games in the regular season, but in the Finals, they needed him. He had a good team, but he was the face of the Bulls. When you thought Bulls, you thought MJ. Even if you think he didn't know the game as well, I see it as there's a right way, a wrong way, and then there's Jordan's way.
vmak1979 6 months ago
@vmak1979 We'll never know if MJ could've climbed without Phil. As for MJ being the face of the Bulls, sure he was, but he also had a stacked team just like Bird and Magic did. Keep in mind Bird was the face of the Celtics and Magic was the face of the Lakers. There's Jordan's way, Bird's way and Magic's way. They were all awesome but in different ways.
BigTimePride 6 months ago
@vmak1979 Out of curiosity, how many playoff games (not series, GAMES) did Michael Jordan win without Pippen?
TheBrainMachine78 5 months ago
@BigTimePride So did Magic (Westhead, Riley). He also took his team to the Finals with freakin' Mike Dunleavy has his coach.
TheBrainMachine78 5 months ago
@KazaamJones Haha...is that why they had to put Pippen on Magic in the finals???? MJ couldn't slow Magic down and the Lakers stole game 1 in Chicago. And another thing, both Worthy and Scott got injured in that series and never returned. Along with injuries,the Lakers no longer had Jabbar, Cooper, Green or Riley either. You had better believe the 80s Lakers would've crushed the 90s Bulls.
BigTimePride 7 months ago
@KazaamJones If I recall correctly, didn't they had to have Pippen cover Magic because Jordan couldn't contain him. The Bulls lost game 1 in Chicago because MJ couldn't slow Magic. Then later in the series during game 4, both Worthy & Scott were injured and never returned for the rest of game 4 or 5. Yeah, MJ beat an aging Magic Johnson who had no team around him. Make no mistake, the Showtime Lakers of the 80s would've destroyed Jordan's Bulls.
BigTimePride 6 months ago
@BigTimePride Phil made the switch because Jordan was fatigued from shouldering so much of the offensive load. He averaged 33 PPG and beat Magic at his own game with 11 APG in that series. Jordan didn't play Magic as well as Pip, but that's because Pip wasn't the to-to guy on offense, therefore being more fresh. Not to mention it being logical to put Pip on Magic because he's bigger and longer than MJ. I do agree that the Showtime Lakers would beat the Bulls, but not by as much as you think.
KazaamJones 4 months ago
@KazaamJones They made the switch because Magic really hurt them in game 1 and the Lakers stole homecourt advantage. MJ couldn't contain Magic and that's why they lost. Pippen did a much better job. It was a great move by Phil Jackson. As for the showtime Lakers (my opinion) I think they would wipe the Bulls out and so would the 80s Celtics. They were simply too good in the frontcourt and could play any style of game where as the Bulls were limited.
BigTimePride 4 months ago
@BigTimePride I recall Jordan guarding Magic routinely during the proceeding games of that series and doing a good job, so it definitely wasn't all Pip. And the Bulls frontcourt wasn't that great, but it was good enough to beat teams that had guys like Shaq, Ewing, Malone, and Barkley so I see no reason to believe they couldn't do the same to guys like McHale, Parish and Kareem. We'll just agree to disagree.
KazaamJones 4 months ago
@KazaamJones I recall Pippen routinely guarding Magic during that series after they lost in game one. Those teams that had Shaq, Ewing, Malone and Barkley didn't have the talented teammates beside them in the frontcourt like the Celtics and Lakers of the 80s. Double Kareem and Worthy would eat you alive because Magic would find him. Double McHale and Bird would beat you or he'd find Parish. Double Ewing and ?. Double Malone and ? You're right, we'll just have to disagree.
BigTimePride 4 months ago
@BigTimePride but malone has stockton, no?
XxUnonxX 4 months ago
@XxUnonxX More like the other way around, Malone had Stockton. Utah did not have the talent like the 80s teams had. Furthermore, Malone is possibly the biggest choker in Finals history. They had the Bulls beat but Malone choked the series away in numerous ways. He missed crucial free throws, got to ball stolen in the post during the closing minutes etc....Bird would've nailed those FTs and he would've saw MJ coming on that steal.
BigTimePride 4 months ago
@BigTimePride...permit me to apply your logic on larry bird before you continue that nitpicking practice. lets not forget that bird "achieved" his titles vs the 40-42 rockets,a rockets teams with suspensions,and has a 1-2 record vs the lakers in the finals. was a career loser vs dr.j until erving turned 35 years old. i can nitpick on bird the exact way you do on jordan. if we should devalue championships and diminish players' greatness with nitpicking,birds career is just as bogus as jordans.
netcap001 4 months ago
@netcap001 Um, Bird won the title in his 2nd year getting past Dr.J's Sixers. The next season Dr.J won a title. So you're logic makes no sense.
BigTimePride 4 months ago
@BigTimePride no,on the contrary,i make absolute sense.
1-2 vs julius erving till he turned 35...%33 winning %
1-2 vs magic johnson in the finals..the same
he lost more vs these guys than he won..get it?if bird was 3-0 vs both these guys,your analogy would make sense. bird beat one of the worst lakers teams,the regular season records prove that. the best team he beat had 54 wins..
and some other facts for you...bird has lost 7 playoff series with homecourt advantage.
netcap001 4 months ago
@netcap001 Go back and read my original post. This wasn't about Larry Bird. I said the showtime Lakers would've destroyed the 90s Bulls. I added that the great Celtics teams of the 80s would've beat them as well. Never tried to get into a Larry Bird arguement etc....I am talking about great teams. The Bulls were very good but they didn't have the all around game like the 80s Celtics and Lakers plain and simple.
BigTimePride 4 months ago
@BigTimePride Seriously? I think you're underestimating the value of shooters, which Parish and Worthy were not. Shaq, Ewing, Malone and Barkley all had shooters on their squads to help space the floor. If the Bulls did double team Kareem or McHale (which they wouldn't, at least not every play like you seem to believe), Bird or Magic would more likely dish the ball to guys like Ainge, Scott, Cooper or Green on the perimeter.
KazaamJones 4 months ago
@KazaamJones The Bulls had no answer for Jabbar. They would've been forced to double team him or he would've dropped 30 on them every night. Worthy had a big height advantage over PIppen or Rodman. The Bulls didn't have anyone of that caliber in their frontcourt. And if Bird, Parish and McHale weren't enough, the Celtics had Bill Walton coming off the bench and Walton was better than their starting center.
BigTimePride 4 months ago