This Salieri composition is in certain way amusing to listen. It has been played and also sounds better then the notes on the musicpaper are. There are a lot of unlogical or missing harmonic progressions. I've got trained ears but I think even with no musical traing everybody feels the music is not round.
@Sviolinist 1."The mathematics of Salieri's composition are not correct." This is just becouse of your Mozart trained hearing. His compositions are not correct too, but you do not notice it becouse of istablished paradigm, that you have brought up from childhood. Now everything is changed and reinterpreted, but you probably do not understand it.
2.Well, are you excited about your IQ? Congratulations, Mr. brilliant listener. In this case, the conversation can indeed be considered complete.
@SpadaccinoLuciano is that a joke? was there a lot of awesome black composers being ignored in the 18 hundreds? lol i dont think either of em won, their both dead, call it a draw.
@JanJanszoonII Uh, yah, and Im Italian, and I can most confidently assure you that we are not white. Everyone was paled down in those portraits as well. They wouldn't want a filthy arab-looking person hanging on their wall, after all.
Alright people - for perspective, go listen to Schubert 1st symphony. We're talking a 16 year old kid who was a student of this guy.... listen to THAT and then listen to this drivel. Salieri is a damn moron and a pompous fool. He'll never be more than that no matter how much you deaf people dream.
Everyone who thinks that Salieri was the best composer ever should LIKE HIS FABCEBOOK_FAN_PAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SO that the world will know that he was the best composer ever!!!!
..and when Salieri became Kappelmeister for the1st representation he thought at "Figaro's wedding" and not at one of his operas. At least when Salieri was old, sick and blind seems that he accused himself for the death of Mozart and from this here you have the book and after the movie. Who knows?
So how someone told" If is true that Salieri was not the killer of Mozart, is true that Puskin is the killer of Salieri". Who knows? Maybe that a feeling of jealousy was reciprocal and maybe that someone others blew on the jealousy fire to have advantage from their rivalry. But is true that all the great students of Salieri loved him and when Mozart's father accused him for the1st of "Figaro's wedding" that was a Fiasco is true that Salieri was in Paris and could not anything bad against him
The Salieri's music is egal than Mozart's music, so why the humanity forgot the genius of Salieri and put Mozart on a pedestal ? For me these two musicians was great, talented... and are forever ! Together.
@ferdinando1945 His music sounds more... proper? Mozart's music can draw out deep feelings unlike Salieri's music. I'm sure Salieri was a genius, it's just that his music can't really touch my heart as Mozart's can.
I have to rectify myself: Salieri was the teacher also of Schubert and Liszt. I didn't know he lived until 1825! I think he was too much underestimated.
I have to rectify myself: Salieri was the teacher also of Schubert and Liszt. I didn't know he lived until 1825! I think he was too much underestimated
Salieri is my great (ect) cousin on my mothers side, and he is BRILLIANT!! I have a bunch of copies of his music in my room that I play. Amadeus is a rather inaccurate movie, however, it does portray Salieri as a man of greatness. He trully was "The Toast of Europe". he was financhly well while Mozart...was...well..broke!! And Salieri wasn't solically awkward either. So, A toast to Salieri!!
You know, for a movie about salieri's life (I know mozart was technically the "star", it's still all about salieri) they hardly ever play any of his music. I hope people can see how amazing he was, because the movie didn't show off his talent at all.
Mozart he wasn't, but really all it takes is one silly movie and the poor man's reputation is sullied forever. Don't get me wrong, F. Murray Abraham was brilliant in Amadeus, but he comes off as kind of a pathetic, creepy loser.
Somehow I doubt many of the people who say Mozart is simply better than Salieri could actually articulate why Mozart is better than Salieri. I also doubt a significant number of these same detractors of Salieri have actually taken the time to listen to and digest his work.
@zerker12568901 i like the song, and i like the movie, i just don't like the people arguing about the movie, im not a "twatface" but its ok i forgive you.
Thumbs up if you know that the movie "Amadeus" is a pack of blatant lies and that Mozart and Salieri were in fact good friends (and occasionally friendly rivals) who supported and staged each others' music and collaborated on a (sadly lost) cantata called "Per la ricuperata salute di Ophelia".
Salieri was very wienerish (if you can call it that) , and I'm not too big a fan of wienerclassical. Which i probably why I'm such a big Beethoven fan =]
@Nirvy90 Salieri was expecially a teacher of music more than a composer (good composer). Salieri was Beethoven's teacher of music! His great students were Beethoven, Schubert, Liszt, Czerny and Hummel
All musicians know Salieri was the teacher of Beethoven, Schubert and Liszt and they all loved him and dedicated music to their teacher, moreover he was the most famous composer in Europe at his time. Mozart was a genius but not a great man, Salieri was a great man, not a genius, but he appreciated Mozart and helped him many times. This is the "real" story we know by the original sources, not cinema or theatre. I can imagine Mozart was the evious one because of Salieri's fame, who knows?
@jormaliconis just because someone is a genius in a certain field, it doesn't mean they have to be great as human beings. einstein was a great savant, but a piece of sh*t as a human being.
@jormaliconis Mozart was a musical genius, but when I read his letters to his father and friends I was surprised he was not the man I expected. We can see represented in the movie of Forman the "real" Mozart, a bit superficial and childish,always looking for money because he was wasteful, and absolutely genial, but we don't see the real Salieri, who helped and encouraged Mozart a lot. Forman (or better the writer of the story) tells us Salieri was mediocre and this is not true ethically speaking
Mozart spoke bad about all the others musicians, especially th italians because they had the best role in the germany countries in that time, but spoke bad also about Haydn and Haydn was supposed to be his friend.
@Romeniawe Even if the Movie totally misrepresented both Salieri and Mozart, ( we all know that), it generated a huge interest in Classical Music, and people wanted to hear more of this brilliant, emotional, & inspiring music, the like of which, they had never heard before, instead of the plastic rubbish we are fed continually by the media.
So, it was good for classical music, and made many converts, which is great.
@Romeniawe why is it so everyone speaks of a "battle" between Mozart and Salieri? What historical events support the idea that both didn't endure what another?
As far as I know Salieri never tought Schubert and Liszt, because they were born way in the 19th century, when Salieri was already dead. But he certainly was a very good composer. The one introducing the enmity between Mozart and Salieri was Rimsky Korsakoff who wrote an opera about that theme.
@kreeezle I've listened to tons of Salieri's music. He is no music genius. Did you even listen to this whole piece? It sounds like a 3 year old plodding at the keyboard just after 0:49
@Sviolinist It obviously does to you, but you must remember that your opinion is purely your own.
There's no doubt Salieri's music is somewhat unsophisticated compared to Mozart's, but there is a real wholeness of style in Salieri that appeals to many.
It does no-one any good to become to elitist and closed minded.
Personally I love Salieri's music as much is Mozart's, but for different reasons.
People who disagree with you are not interested in your opinion. Get over it.
@Sviolinist Well, "listen to tons" of Mozart's music. And you say the same thing about his "musical genius". Or any other composer. What's the difference? Each of them has no more than a dozen of real masterpieces. Everything else - it is "a work for food". And as our perception of their work - it is case of authority in the context of established paradigms.
@veleglas Well, if you want to put it in these terms, Mozart's "Foodwerke" is a thousand and one times better than Salieri's. Let's put it in another way... I can take 20 of Salieri's pieces and put them next to 20 of Mozart's "worst" pieces and Mozart still comes out looking like a genius. Veleglas, some day you're just going to have to stop making excuses for Salieri and realize that some composers actually deserve the term "mediocre."
@Sviolinist well personally, i dont think anyone should judge either mozart or salieri's compositions until they can prove themselves to be capable of producing music even close in quality. There is nothing mediocre about salieri, or mozart, one just happen to get luckier with people remembering his name.
@Sviolinist It is not obvious, because unprovable. Unequal forces, and not because Salieri's "mediocrity", but because of Mozart - two hundred years of worship and perfected thousands of interpretations of his music. At the time, as Salieri is just beginning to be studied. Variants of his works - units.However, this concerns not only Salieri, but all those contemporaries, which dipped to highlight Mozart. But soon maybe it becomes clear who is actually a "genius" and who - "mediocrity."
@veleglas Listen to this piece at around 1 minute. Listen to what happens after this point. It doesn't develop as it should. The mathematics of Salieri's composition are not correct. If you don't understand what this means then you are not a composer, but just someone who spouts opinions.
@veleglas You are putting too much stock in movies. Read some literature. Salieri's music is far from average/mediocre numnuts. It may not be as good as Mozarts but it is leagues above average. Also Salieri was a great instructor in theory, instructing both Listz and Beethoven for a time and helping Schubert gain fame and position. I am a composer and have a high IQ.
@VAFranky The movie "Amadeus" is a stupid and not real story! Salieri was a good musican, and expecially a great teacher of music, more than a composer! His greatest students were Beethoven, Schubert, Liszt, Czerny and Hummel! They love his teacher!
@domenicodimemmo Yeah I know that it was greatly exaggerated and fictionalized. I think we should really appreciate a movie that features such amazing music though. Especially when you take into consideration all of the garbage that is being produced today. It was true however that Salieri did his best to prevent Mozart's plays from having venues and long runs through his great influence. Though I seriously doubt this was due to the fact that he felt vastly inferior to Mozart.
@VAFranky He was agitated at Mozart, but he only used his influence to stop Mozart's Italian Operas (since Salieri was the director of Italian Operas) Otherwise they had no real qualms. Salieri was actually one of the close circle of mourners present at Mozart's funeral. The play really exaggerates rumors, but it makes for interesting entertainment! lol
@domenicodimemmo I agree that movie was stupid, however it brought Mozart's music into the public arena really for the first time. I must say Salierie's works are really pleasant to listen to, marvellous pieces really. He must have had some appreciable influence on Mozart....or was it the other way round?
@domenicodimemmo Oh yes, because if a story isn't true, it's not worth telling, is it? Moron... The movie was a testament to the beauty of Mozart's music, and what better time to take artistic license than in the telling of the life of an artist.
@domenicodimemmo Salieri was shown as a good musician and a responsible man (aka showing he was a great teacher) Having a student isn't impressive since as we all know he, like mozart, was just a natural genius. Amadeus isn't a stupid movie because of the story not being true since, Milos Forman does not claim it to be exact. Watch the movie for its beauty and the acting not the facts, since when is film ever accurate? :-)
@domenicodimemmo You're right about Salieri, but "Amadeus" was a great movie! It had lots of Mozart's best songs. Even though it wasn't a true story, it was meant to be entertaining and has won many awards.
Well, although many deem his music 'mediocre', I think the longevity and the fact that were are all sitting at a computer listening to this, is testamont to the fact that this is most certainly not mediocre.
@pianor91 i think the only reason many of the people clicked on this is because of his known relationship with Mozart and the circumstances surrounding this relationship, in the manner in which they were portrayed in the 80's movie...obviously exaggerated as they were
@slovakmath This is most probably, if not sadly, true. However, I listen to Salieri for enjoyment, not out of curiosity. I'd also like to think that people whose opinions are formed through '80's films are not exactly classical experts of enthusiasts. I live in hope...
It's possible to resurrect and post anything. Doesn't mean it's good.
Salieri's music wasn't given a fair airing in the film. I think he's done some listenable stuff. But the movie is the main reason that it's gotten attention.
Some composers are great, some are not, but maybe some others are unique. There is no reason to compare all the composers to Mozart. He is undoubtedly amazing, but that does not prove that all other musicians are trivial.
Why is it that people still think "Amadeus" was what really happened? In reality both Mozart and Salieri had respect for each other and Salieri even gave lessons to one of Mozart's sons. One could argue Salieri's life was far more successful, he lived more than twice as long as Mozart, lived a life of "luxury" and never was short on money. Married with children too. It is highly doubtful he ever held a grudge against Mozart.
@McLarenMercedes THANK U!!! finally some 1 said it. People buy into a hollywood made reality when they can just look up the facts and see there was very little 2 rivalry between them AND salieri even after his writing career was done was still one of the most sought after teachers in all of vienna and italy. Both were amazing.
Salieri was not mediocre. he was highly regarded in Vienna, though his music faded after his death. Amadeus is a HIGHLY fictional movie. His pupils included Lizst, and Beethoven, both of whom were as gifted musicians as Mozart. He may not have written the great operas that Mozart did, but his symphony here is very nice. I doubt he had an inferiority complex
So you right. He was a great composer in Vienna and that his music died with him. Amadeus is not so fiction is contained in the biography of these men, and the rivalry? So here you are once again right.
@kreezt Yes, but Mozart still gets many more hits. Salieri just can't win! (I just bought the Amadeus DVD & finished watching it last night. Looking forward to the commentary.)
@Bemused46 the film is about the frustration of mediocrity that consumes all artists. only a few are great and remain in our collective memory. the rest, unfortunately, just disappear. just think about how many musicians were there in vienna when mozart lived. dozens, for sure. it's only natural that we tend to take sides with salieri, that's what forman intended with his film. in order to understand his frustration, we had to like him and take his side first.
Salieri looked very depressed in the paintings. His music is still cool though. It sounded like it was in the transition from Baroque to Classical Music.
1:02 damnn this lefts me sky high, forget about all the arguing of whos better than who just listen up to the beautiful piece and thank god that such great music still exists.
The film Amadeus is just a fictional interpretation. I think in his time Salieri was more famous ( Not to sure if source is accurate though). I also really enjoy his opera's.
This Salieri composition is in certain way amusing to listen. It has been played and also sounds better then the notes on the musicpaper are. There are a lot of unlogical or missing harmonic progressions. I've got trained ears but I think even with no musical traing everybody feels the music is not round.
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intervalkid 3 weeks ago
@Sviolinist 1."The mathematics of Salieri's composition are not correct." This is just becouse of your Mozart trained hearing. His compositions are not correct too, but you do not notice it becouse of istablished paradigm, that you have brought up from childhood. Now everything is changed and reinterpreted, but you probably do not understand it.
2.Well, are you excited about your IQ? Congratulations, Mr. brilliant listener. In this case, the conversation can indeed be considered complete.
veleglas 3 weeks ago
Salieri é ótimo, Mozart é fantástico!
Vick91ius 1 month ago
@SpadaccinoLuciano, I thought Salieri was Italian
ithurtzmister 1 month ago
@ithurtzmister no he was an african american...
kalllesvensson 1 month ago
thanks for sharing. I wish I can listen to 'Salieri' much more.
I want to know better about him.
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AnandaLunaBlue 1 month ago
I'll tell you WHY Mozart "won" over Salieri - He's white. Mozart is German, and white. It's that simple.
SpadaccinoLuciano 1 month ago
@SpadaccinoLuciano is that a joke? was there a lot of awesome black composers being ignored in the 18 hundreds? lol i dont think either of em won, their both dead, call it a draw.
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@SpadaccinoLuciano
Erm... actually, Salieri was an Italian, born and raised in Venice. He was, also, most definitely white; there is at least one portrait to prove it.
JanJanszoonII 3 weeks ago
@JanJanszoonII Uh, yah, and Im Italian, and I can most confidently assure you that we are not white. Everyone was paled down in those portraits as well. They wouldn't want a filthy arab-looking person hanging on their wall, after all.
SpadaccinoLuciano 3 weeks ago
for the lovers of classical music,
that's the best requiem i've ever heard:
Giuseppe Verdi requiem.
let me know if you know other nice requiems!
fooolle33 3 months ago
Alright people - for perspective, go listen to Schubert 1st symphony. We're talking a 16 year old kid who was a student of this guy.... listen to THAT and then listen to this drivel. Salieri is a damn moron and a pompous fool. He'll never be more than that no matter how much you deaf people dream.
Sviolinist 3 months ago
@Sviolinist Please explain how you're in a position to deduce that Salieri was a "moron" and a "fool".
There simply isn't enough known about his personality to conclude that.
Mozart, however is a different story.
From anecdotes and his own letters he appears to be a perfect example of a moron and a fool! - and a very childish and immature one at that.
All he seems to have done was hurl childish insults at other composers and make jokes about farting.
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please STOP With this fuukin comparison whit mozart...come on!!! JUST LISTEN *_* the beauty,the emotional...JUST LISTEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AND SHUT UP
Antoblackterror 3 months ago
yes that right... is a movie... but the reality is that now a lot of people have a wrong opinion of salieri...
domenicodimemmo 3 months ago
Everyone who thinks that Salieri was the best composer ever should LIKE HIS FABCEBOOK_FAN_PAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SO that the world will know that he was the best composer ever!!!!
Magduschnenni 3 months ago
..and when Salieri became Kappelmeister for the1st representation he thought at "Figaro's wedding" and not at one of his operas. At least when Salieri was old, sick and blind seems that he accused himself for the death of Mozart and from this here you have the book and after the movie. Who knows?
MrKappaelle 4 months ago
So how someone told" If is true that Salieri was not the killer of Mozart, is true that Puskin is the killer of Salieri". Who knows? Maybe that a feeling of jealousy was reciprocal and maybe that someone others blew on the jealousy fire to have advantage from their rivalry. But is true that all the great students of Salieri loved him and when Mozart's father accused him for the1st of "Figaro's wedding" that was a Fiasco is true that Salieri was in Paris and could not anything bad against him
MrKappaelle 4 months ago
Gracias signore.
TheAnthonyGosal 4 months ago
salieri was a great musician and generous man, mozart was a great musician but a brat
telecomunicateing 4 months ago
Salieri was too underappreciated, and still is. I love Mozart, but Salieri was great too, in his own way. They were both great.
MusicOfLYNN 4 months ago
A light years from the Salzburg divine genius indeed...but why not give a chance to Salieri ?
MrGunterguerrero 4 months ago
motzat shits on this bum end of story
jewjew322 5 months ago
@jewjew322 lurd
allisonlawlz 4 months ago
@jewjew322 The fact that this comment has thumbs up says alot about the average "Mozart fan", sadly.
connorross123 4 months ago
The Salieri's music is egal than Mozart's music, so why the humanity forgot the genius of Salieri and put Mozart on a pedestal ? For me these two musicians was great, talented... and are forever ! Together.
SuomiBreizh 6 months ago
Regrettably I saw the movie before knowing about Salieri.
I think he was an amazing composer, why did they make him appear like stupid beside Mozart ???..........
ferdinando1945 6 months ago 17
@ferdinando1945 His music sounds more... proper? Mozart's music can draw out deep feelings unlike Salieri's music. I'm sure Salieri was a genius, it's just that his music can't really touch my heart as Mozart's can.
MystiqueBliss 1 month ago
@ferdinando1945 They did that because he was always a step behind Mozart and he even admitted it himself.
123UncleRuckus 2 weeks ago
without the film Amadeus, still very few people would know Salieri. That's reality. Whether Salieri is who's teacher blabla, it does not matter.
ivanoschen 6 months ago 2
he also was the teacher of Hummel, Czerny and Franz Xaver Wolfgang Mozart, son of the Great Amadeus :-))
Romeniawe 6 months ago
I have to rectify myself: Salieri was the teacher also of Schubert and Liszt. I didn't know he lived until 1825! I think he was too much underestimated.
Poedelify 6 months ago in playlist Salieri and his pupils
I have to rectify myself: Salieri was the teacher also of Schubert and Liszt. I didn't know he lived until 1825! I think he was too much underestimated
Poedelify 6 months ago in playlist Salieri and his pupils
who cares which one is better, just enjoy the music, because for that reason they composed it.
JOELALVARADO95 6 months ago
salieri was really gifted i like this music it rings inside my head
kokomanation 7 months ago
Salieri is my great (ect) cousin on my mothers side, and he is BRILLIANT!! I have a bunch of copies of his music in my room that I play. Amadeus is a rather inaccurate movie, however, it does portray Salieri as a man of greatness. He trully was "The Toast of Europe". he was financhly well while Mozart...was...well..broke!! And Salieri wasn't solically awkward either. So, A toast to Salieri!!
princelittlegoose 7 months ago
12 people saw film "Amadeus" :D
Bigweenie48 7 months ago
" Mozart ! ...Mozart ! ... FORGIVE ME, MOZART! "
PiroozAzDirooz 7 months ago
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PiroozAzDirooz 7 months ago
thankyou for elucidating the crucial difference between Mozart and Salieri.
allegramente5000 8 months ago
Шанс что Сальери отравил Моцарта один из миллиона.Но единичка все таки есть,и поэтому слушать его музыку я не БУДУ!!!!!!
perkosrak1 8 months ago
You know, for a movie about salieri's life (I know mozart was technically the "star", it's still all about salieri) they hardly ever play any of his music. I hope people can see how amazing he was, because the movie didn't show off his talent at all.
Samoriah 8 months ago
Mozart he wasn't, but really all it takes is one silly movie and the poor man's reputation is sullied forever. Don't get me wrong, F. Murray Abraham was brilliant in Amadeus, but he comes off as kind of a pathetic, creepy loser.
MerlinAmbrosius17 9 months ago
Grazi, Signore.
Lassannn 9 months ago 20
@Lassannn GraziE
Andyrugaz 8 months ago
@bagelzkickass
how can a movie be more interesting than the actual events of Mozart's time?
ouinonyes 9 months ago
Nice, and he was Italian, like me =)
giangra92 9 months ago
The movie Amadeus may have been inaccurate, but I think it's a lot more interesting than what really happened.
bagelzkickass 9 months ago
@bagelzkickass
I can respect your opinion, but frankly the true story of Mozart's Requiem is more interesting that the grossly fabricated one in Amadeus. ;)
Grimgerde 9 months ago
Somehow I doubt many of the people who say Mozart is simply better than Salieri could actually articulate why Mozart is better than Salieri. I also doubt a significant number of these same detractors of Salieri have actually taken the time to listen to and digest his work.
Grimgerde 9 months ago 4
well mozarts music is clearly more memorable no?
02910748 9 months ago
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No.
revolutionsetude 9 months ago
C'est tellement beau :D
xAndre4aa 10 months ago
hehe, yea, the poor salieri. nice composition
EnteleiEchein 10 months ago
Mozart likes this
zerker12568901 10 months ago
i like the movie, but your all fags.
MurdaZen 10 months ago
@MurdaZen You're*
sodiumsimone02 10 months ago
@sodiumsimone02 i like the movie, but you're all fags.
MurdaZen 10 months ago
@MurdaZen Twatface.
zerker12568901 10 months ago
@zerker12568901 i like the song, and i like the movie, i just don't like the people arguing about the movie, im not a "twatface" but its ok i forgive you.
MurdaZen 10 months ago
Thank God it doesn't matter anymore. They're dead, not sitting in a cloud calculating who is more famous as history goes by.
studioworks1990 10 months ago
Thumbs up if you know that the movie "Amadeus" is a pack of blatant lies and that Mozart and Salieri were in fact good friends (and occasionally friendly rivals) who supported and staged each others' music and collaborated on a (sadly lost) cantata called "Per la ricuperata salute di Ophelia".
TotzthePlaid 10 months ago
Grazia Signore! :D
kagerot 10 months ago
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kagerot 10 months ago
Sublime musique...
Volodimir11 10 months ago
Please, one favour Hollywood: FUCK YOU!
robertpeter1991 11 months ago 11
sa signifie florent mothe pour moi j'adore
lOwrangela 11 months ago
HELLO WORLD
ELGORITHM 11 months ago
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What a stunning piece of music. He was over shadowed by the big names that most know now. No surprise that things have never changed.
MelodicCure 1 year ago
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MelodicCure 1 year ago
Salieri was very wienerish (if you can call it that) , and I'm not too big a fan of wienerclassical. Which i probably why I'm such a big Beethoven fan =]
RectumPilum 1 year ago
@RectumPilum Salieri was Beethoven teacher of music!
domenicodimemmo 1 year ago
@RectumPilum Salieri was Beethoven's teacher of music! His great students were Beethoven, Schubert, Liszt, Czerny and Hummel
domenicodimemmo 1 year ago
@domenicodimemmo and...?
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@RectumPilum Salieri was Beethoven's teacher of music! His great students were Beethoven, Schubert, Liszt, Czerny and Hummel
domenicodimemmo 1 year ago
notevole compositore troppo sottovalutato, purtroppo il paragone con mozart non gli rende l'onore che comunque si merita....
Elena69FI 1 year ago
Solo un'italiano può commentare Il grande Antonio Salieri, colui che ha addestrato i geni della musica come Beethoven e Wagner.
70sparatutto70 1 year ago
But we want to compare to Mozart Salieri !?!?!? Only by Salieri and Mozart only envy against ... By Mozart's music ....
Nirvy90 1 year ago
@Nirvy90 Salieri was expecially a teacher of music more than a composer (good composer). Salieri was Beethoven's teacher of music! His great students were Beethoven, Schubert, Liszt, Czerny and Hummel
domenicodimemmo 1 year ago
That's him! The swine that pwned Mozart!
fenriz218 1 year ago
I loved the movie a lot anyway. And Murray Abraham was a great great great Salieri
Romeniawe 1 year ago
All musicians know Salieri was the teacher of Beethoven, Schubert and Liszt and they all loved him and dedicated music to their teacher, moreover he was the most famous composer in Europe at his time. Mozart was a genius but not a great man, Salieri was a great man, not a genius, but he appreciated Mozart and helped him many times. This is the "real" story we know by the original sources, not cinema or theatre. I can imagine Mozart was the evious one because of Salieri's fame, who knows?
Romeniawe 1 year ago 50
@Romeniawe MOZART WAS NOT A GREAT MAN?
jormaliconis 8 months ago
@Romeniawe MOZART WAS NOT A GREAT MAN?
jormaliconis 8 months ago
@jormaliconis just because someone is a genius in a certain field, it doesn't mean they have to be great as human beings. einstein was a great savant, but a piece of sh*t as a human being.
Krystinell 7 months ago
@jormaliconis Mozart was a musical genius, but when I read his letters to his father and friends I was surprised he was not the man I expected. We can see represented in the movie of Forman the "real" Mozart, a bit superficial and childish,always looking for money because he was wasteful, and absolutely genial, but we don't see the real Salieri, who helped and encouraged Mozart a lot. Forman (or better the writer of the story) tells us Salieri was mediocre and this is not true ethically speaking
Romeniawe 6 months ago
@Romeniawe
Mozart spoke bad about all the others musicians, especially th italians because they had the best role in the germany countries in that time, but spoke bad also about Haydn and Haydn was supposed to be his friend.
Miauriceful 6 months ago
@Romeniawe Even if the Movie totally misrepresented both Salieri and Mozart, ( we all know that), it generated a huge interest in Classical Music, and people wanted to hear more of this brilliant, emotional, & inspiring music, the like of which, they had never heard before, instead of the plastic rubbish we are fed continually by the media.
So, it was good for classical music, and made many converts, which is great.
t1248 7 months ago
@Romeniawe why is it so everyone speaks of a "battle" between Mozart and Salieri? What historical events support the idea that both didn't endure what another?
LucaTurilli89 6 months ago
As far as I know Salieri never tought Schubert and Liszt, because they were born way in the 19th century, when Salieri was already dead. But he certainly was a very good composer. The one introducing the enmity between Mozart and Salieri was Rimsky Korsakoff who wrote an opera about that theme.
Poedelify 6 months ago in playlist Salieri and his pupils
@Poedelify Salieri did teach Schubert. He is quoted as having said " I cannot teach that one anything."
Sviolinist 3 months ago
@Romeniawe How foolish to even say that 'Salieri...not a genius. Have you ever listened to his music jackass?
kreeezle 3 months ago in playlist kreeezle's favorites
@kreeezle I've listened to tons of Salieri's music. He is no music genius. Did you even listen to this whole piece? It sounds like a 3 year old plodding at the keyboard just after 0:49
Sviolinist 3 months ago
@Sviolinist It obviously does to you, but you must remember that your opinion is purely your own.
There's no doubt Salieri's music is somewhat unsophisticated compared to Mozart's, but there is a real wholeness of style in Salieri that appeals to many.
It does no-one any good to become to elitist and closed minded.
Personally I love Salieri's music as much is Mozart's, but for different reasons.
People who disagree with you are not interested in your opinion. Get over it.
wks1978 2 months ago 2
@wks1978 I had intended to post a remark; however, I now understand your point. Please forget.
trevor462 1 month ago
@Sviolinist Well, "listen to tons" of Mozart's music. And you say the same thing about his "musical genius". Or any other composer. What's the difference? Each of them has no more than a dozen of real masterpieces. Everything else - it is "a work for food". And as our perception of their work - it is case of authority in the context of established paradigms.
veleglas 3 weeks ago
@veleglas Well, if you want to put it in these terms, Mozart's "Foodwerke" is a thousand and one times better than Salieri's. Let's put it in another way... I can take 20 of Salieri's pieces and put them next to 20 of Mozart's "worst" pieces and Mozart still comes out looking like a genius. Veleglas, some day you're just going to have to stop making excuses for Salieri and realize that some composers actually deserve the term "mediocre."
Sviolinist 3 weeks ago
@Sviolinist well personally, i dont think anyone should judge either mozart or salieri's compositions until they can prove themselves to be capable of producing music even close in quality. There is nothing mediocre about salieri, or mozart, one just happen to get luckier with people remembering his name.
flasherrt2 3 weeks ago
@Sviolinist It is not obvious, because unprovable. Unequal forces, and not because Salieri's "mediocrity", but because of Mozart - two hundred years of worship and perfected thousands of interpretations of his music. At the time, as Salieri is just beginning to be studied. Variants of his works - units.However, this concerns not only Salieri, but all those contemporaries, which dipped to highlight Mozart. But soon maybe it becomes clear who is actually a "genius" and who - "mediocrity."
veleglas 3 weeks ago
@veleglas Listen to this piece at around 1 minute. Listen to what happens after this point. It doesn't develop as it should. The mathematics of Salieri's composition are not correct. If you don't understand what this means then you are not a composer, but just someone who spouts opinions.
Sviolinist 3 weeks ago
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@veleglas You are putting too much stock in movies. Read some literature. Salieri's music is far from average/mediocre numnuts. It may not be as good as Mozarts but it is leagues above average. Also Salieri was a great instructor in theory, instructing both Listz and Beethoven for a time and helping Schubert gain fame and position. I am a composer and have a high IQ.
intervalkid 3 weeks ago
@Romeniawe then...the film AMADEUS is wong ?
estesoyojajaja 3 months ago
He was a good man that produced good music, but lets face it Mozart was better
sharkfantast 1 year ago 3
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I think his music is underrated. Amadeus is an incredible movie...you must prefer movies like Avatar.
VAFranky 1 year ago
I think his music is greatly underrated. And that movie is incredibly good....you must be prefer movies like Avatar.
VAFranky 1 year ago
@VAFranky The movie "Amadeus" is a stupid and not real story! Salieri was a good musican, and expecially a great teacher of music, more than a composer! His greatest students were Beethoven, Schubert, Liszt, Czerny and Hummel! They love his teacher!
domenicodimemmo 1 year ago 37
@domenicodimemmo Yeah I know that it was greatly exaggerated and fictionalized. I think we should really appreciate a movie that features such amazing music though. Especially when you take into consideration all of the garbage that is being produced today. It was true however that Salieri did his best to prevent Mozart's plays from having venues and long runs through his great influence. Though I seriously doubt this was due to the fact that he felt vastly inferior to Mozart.
VAFranky 1 year ago
@VAFranky
Throw the movie away, listen to the music.
WSWarthog 11 months ago 6
@VAFranky What was his motivation then? He obviously must have had some type of strong conviction in beliefs for his actions to thwart Mozart.
Hypebusta 11 months ago
@VAFranky He was agitated at Mozart, but he only used his influence to stop Mozart's Italian Operas (since Salieri was the director of Italian Operas) Otherwise they had no real qualms. Salieri was actually one of the close circle of mourners present at Mozart's funeral. The play really exaggerates rumors, but it makes for interesting entertainment! lol
TCNJHarpist 11 months ago
@domenicodimemmo I agree that movie was stupid, however it brought Mozart's music into the public arena really for the first time. I must say Salierie's works are really pleasant to listen to, marvellous pieces really. He must have had some appreciable influence on Mozart....or was it the other way round?
rh7189 10 months ago
@domenicodimemmo Oh yes, because if a story isn't true, it's not worth telling, is it? Moron... The movie was a testament to the beauty of Mozart's music, and what better time to take artistic license than in the telling of the life of an artist.
XeutonMojukai 8 months ago
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@XeutonMojukai Oh Please. "Testament to the beauty of Mozart's music," what about Salieri's music?
I hope you're not a Mozart fanboy.
fujianprince 8 months ago
@domenicodimemmo Salieri was shown as a good musician and a responsible man (aka showing he was a great teacher) Having a student isn't impressive since as we all know he, like mozart, was just a natural genius. Amadeus isn't a stupid movie because of the story not being true since, Milos Forman does not claim it to be exact. Watch the movie for its beauty and the acting not the facts, since when is film ever accurate? :-)
iiiaaammmmowl 7 months ago
@domenicodimemmo Who says that Amadeus is based on a real story? It's just only one of many versions of Mozart's story.
Bigweenie48 7 months ago
@domenicodimemmo You're right about Salieri, but "Amadeus" was a great movie! It had lots of Mozart's best songs. Even though it wasn't a true story, it was meant to be entertaining and has won many awards.
littlefelo85 6 months ago
@domenicodimemmo Just because the movie is a work of fiction doesn't mean it's stupid. I think the Academy Awards it received speak for that.
ChiefPO10490 4 months ago
@domenicodimemmo everybody knows "Amadeus" was a fictional movie not a biographical film... jerk.
autr727 3 months ago
Ugly movies...
SerpentisCrucis 1 year ago
Very soothing, opens the senses and feelings. Gives you freedom !
DeminElex 1 year ago
Well, although many deem his music 'mediocre', I think the longevity and the fact that were are all sitting at a computer listening to this, is testamont to the fact that this is most certainly not mediocre.
pianor91 1 year ago 5
@pianor91 i think the only reason many of the people clicked on this is because of his known relationship with Mozart and the circumstances surrounding this relationship, in the manner in which they were portrayed in the 80's movie...obviously exaggerated as they were
slovakmath 1 year ago
@slovakmath This is most probably, if not sadly, true. However, I listen to Salieri for enjoyment, not out of curiosity. I'd also like to think that people whose opinions are formed through '80's films are not exactly classical experts of enthusiasts. I live in hope...
pianor91 1 year ago
@pianor91 indeed
slovakmath 1 year ago
@pianor91
That's not a testiment to anything.
It's possible to resurrect and post anything. Doesn't mean it's good.
Salieri's music wasn't given a fair airing in the film. I think he's done some listenable stuff. But the movie is the main reason that it's gotten attention.
Hzqi 1 year ago
@Hzqi
***TestAment.
Hzqi 1 year ago
I think it's great music.
PashaPetrovich 1 year ago
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Thumbs up if you know salieri from the 1984 movie amadeus, not from reaserch:P
GuqinZheng 1 year ago 148
@GuqinZheng I got a degree in music in 1984. I'd never heard of Salieri until the movie.
dsrtflwr 1 year ago
@dsrtflwr
I bet you regret it everyday.
BELACSAMOHT 1 year ago
@BELACSAMOHT Why would I regret it?
dsrtflwr 1 year ago
@dsrtflwr
You wasted your time and money.
BELACSAMOHT 1 year ago
@BELACSAMOHT How did I waste my time and money?
dsrtflwr 1 year ago
@dsrtflwr you'll regret it
carlosLor 11 months ago
Why would I regret it?
dsrtflwr 1 year ago
I like to listen to this song while I shit marble.
TheWhiteStripes3 1 year ago 6
@TheWhiteStripes3 Try putting more fiber in your diet. If that doesn't work, maybe you should listen to "Pooh - lenc"... ;|
senikle 1 year ago
How can you speak about composers and not listen to their music?
I don't really care whose the best Mozart or Salieri. They both wrote
some amazing songs. Mozart might be more explicit on the other
hand i find this song quite entertaining. Especially the beginning.
nkeroulis 1 year ago
סליירי השולט אני בן משםחה שלו ישששש
BACH121240 1 year ago
I like this piece.
nkeroulis 1 year ago
Some composers are great, some are not, but maybe some others are unique. There is no reason to compare all the composers to Mozart. He is undoubtedly amazing, but that does not prove that all other musicians are trivial.
Erlind255 1 year ago
I still prefer Mozart -- except of course when his music had too many notes. If he had just cut a few now & then it would have been perfect.
Bemused46 1 year ago
@Bemused46 One can only take so many notes in a night XD
StarTrekkin94 1 year ago
@Bemused46
Which few did you have in mind?
TheWhiteStripes3 1 year ago
@Bemused46 hahahah you say like emperor of Austria :)))
TheOkanokazuya 1 year ago
The part that starts at 1:00 seems familiar...was it ever in Looney-Tunes? Maybe it just sounds like something else, but it's driving me crazy.
gregshamu 1 year ago
Why is it that people still think "Amadeus" was what really happened? In reality both Mozart and Salieri had respect for each other and Salieri even gave lessons to one of Mozart's sons. One could argue Salieri's life was far more successful, he lived more than twice as long as Mozart, lived a life of "luxury" and never was short on money. Married with children too. It is highly doubtful he ever held a grudge against Mozart.
McLarenMercedes 1 year ago 4
@McLarenMercedes THANK U!!! finally some 1 said it. People buy into a hollywood made reality when they can just look up the facts and see there was very little 2 rivalry between them AND salieri even after his writing career was done was still one of the most sought after teachers in all of vienna and italy. Both were amazing.
jizzneck 1 year ago
salieri
pure genius
i dont think they can be considered the same level he and mozart
but just because of mozarts superior skill doesn't mean that everyother composer is useless
toad33332 1 year ago 3
Salieri was not mediocre. he was highly regarded in Vienna, though his music faded after his death. Amadeus is a HIGHLY fictional movie. His pupils included Lizst, and Beethoven, both of whom were as gifted musicians as Mozart. He may not have written the great operas that Mozart did, but his symphony here is very nice. I doubt he had an inferiority complex
pianogooroo 1 year ago
@pianogooroo
So you right. He was a great composer in Vienna and that his music died with him. Amadeus is not so fiction is contained in the biography of these men, and the rivalry? So here you are once again right.
DeminElex 1 year ago
Genius!
Salieri was the creator of the beautiful opera music! For me, Salieri and Mozart are on the same level, both created music that will last forever.
DeminElex 1 year ago 2
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I'm sure Salieri would be happy that he made it to YouTube after all this time
HauntyStarchild 1 year ago 104
@HauntyStarchild I just finished watching Amadeus for the 4th time now:D, and I was watching this video, thinking the exact same thing:D good point!
kreezt 1 year ago
@kreezt Yes, but Mozart still gets many more hits. Salieri just can't win! (I just bought the Amadeus DVD & finished watching it last night. Looking forward to the commentary.)
Bemused46 1 year ago
@Bemused46 the film is about the frustration of mediocrity that consumes all artists. only a few are great and remain in our collective memory. the rest, unfortunately, just disappear. just think about how many musicians were there in vienna when mozart lived. dozens, for sure. it's only natural that we tend to take sides with salieri, that's what forman intended with his film. in order to understand his frustration, we had to like him and take his side first.
kreezt 1 year ago
@HauntyStarchild yeah but fucked pissed at the 30,000,000 veiws mozart has lol
moneyjr1122 1 year ago 5
@HauntyStarchild ha ha ha I am sure he woud be :)
NaturalBornHedonist 1 year ago
Salieri looked very depressed in the paintings. His music is still cool though. It sounded like it was in the transition from Baroque to Classical Music.
Kythos 1 year ago
Master Salieri, you work won't be forgotten
AngelThanat0s 1 year ago 5
but it wasn't stewie who was laughing at him IT WAS GOD
saxzw 1 year ago
there is indeed difference of creativity level between Mozart and Salieri.
ivanoschen 1 year ago
se la discutia cabron este señor, mis respetos
mansonglasses 1 year ago
as mozart said:"it's an artistic challenge to play salieri", lol (in the movie "amadeus").
zdrastvutye 1 year ago
youre good composer, Salieri
0Alcina0 1 year ago 2
it's funny how he was one of the most famous composers in his time... these days he takes a nice backseat to everyone else.
fobulousfl1p 1 year ago
SALIERI-----simple the best.
guspleite 1 year ago 5
1:02 damnn this lefts me sky high, forget about all the arguing of whos better than who just listen up to the beautiful piece and thank god that such great music still exists.
faried3 1 year ago
The film Amadeus is just a fictional interpretation. I think in his time Salieri was more famous ( Not to sure if source is accurate though). I also really enjoy his opera's.
Skar200 1 year ago
@Skar200 of course salieri was famous, but these days he has been forgotten.
ghui6 1 year ago
So I think..
Salieri was a great composer, too :D
TherealMrsTodd 1 year ago
beautiful.... love it........
SunMarsPluto 1 year ago
un peu de douceur......dans un monde de brutes.....
katya1967 1 year ago
salieri was no lesser than mozart......in fact he was far better than mozart at opera
.......milos forman and hollywood dont know jack about baroque
jpandyaraja 1 year ago 2
I love this piece!
Its well organized and sensible, two qualities I love seeing in music.
Linkster2o 1 year ago