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A new article by Dr. James Fetzer and myself was published today by Veterans Today: Military and Foreign Affairs Journal. The title of the article is: JFK Special: Oswald was in the Doorway, after all! I can't post the link but if you go to veteranstoday website you'll find it.
Dr. Fetzer and I feel that history was made today, that is, real history was uncovered. This may be the biggest breakthrough in the JFK assassination to come along in years, perhaps decades. Please tell others.
Going by memory,in Robert Groden's Killing of a President book theres a part/picture where Lovelady is featured and put's on the shirt he supposedly wore on Nov 22/63.
He apparently kept the shirt and put it on for Grodens book picture.
I'm getting confused.
Any idea when that photo was taken for Grodens book?
Can you explain your following comment,quote,
"Lovelady claimed he was Doorman, but he knew it was expected of him"
@adm7007 Watch Video 7 because there I analyze the photo taken by Groden and compare it to Doorman, especially the clothing. This isn't horseshoes or hand grenades. Close isn't good enough. That picture is a joke. It only raises more suspicion. Even the pattern was way off. On Lovelady's shirt, only the lines were white, not the squares, but on Doorman's shirt, there are white blotches. Was it a photographic anomaly? They could have easily tested that. They didn't. There are too many anomalies.
@adm7007 Lovelady claimed he was Doorman, but he knew it was expected of him, and he changed his story about which shirt he was wearing.Then he died, supposedly of a heart attack, at age 42 right before he was to testify to Congress. So, this is not a matter of being able to accept anything that Lovelady said. The truth is that neither shirt that Lovelady might have worn matched Doorman's. Only Oswald's did. The likenesses to Oswald were very great and quite numerous. It simply had to be him.
Every aspect of Doorman's clothes matches Oswald EXCEPT for the shirt pattern. But when you look closely at the pattern, it doesn't match Lovelady's all that well. This isn't horseshoes or hand grenades. Either it's a match or it isn't. But what do you do when the clothing matches Oswald but the facial features match Lovelady? You realize that one or the other must have been FAKED. Well, you know that they didn't fake Oswald's presence to exonerate him. The likenesses to Lovelady were faked.
People notice the light and dark pattern on Doorman's shirt, which supposedly matches Lovelady's. But, Lovelady had a lot of pattern and contrast on his collar too, and Doorman does not. His collar looks solid and consistent like Oswald's. What gives? I'll tell you what gives: When you are committing a forgery, it's hard to think of every detail. You overlook stuff, and they overlooked the collar. Or maybe it was just too small to apply contrast. Either way, it's another glaring sign of fraud.
As far as I am concerned, "69" has not made his case. If he has more evidence to present, fine. But the material he has presented, thus-far, doesn't make the grade. It appears LHO was in the lunchroom at the time of the shooting (and not upstairs on the sixth floor at the "sniper's nest"). This is sufficient to show that LHO was not the assassin. And the fact that the real killers had him murdered subsequently, makes the official (Warren whitewash)explanation even more fishy.
@456zounds Oswald told Detective Fritz that he was "out in front with Bill Shelley" during the shooting, and Fritz wrote it down. Oswald was in the lunchroom BEFORE and AFTER the shooting, but not DURING. Big difference. Look, the clothing matches too well between Oswald and Doorman. Notice how both their shirts look big. Lovelady was burly in comparison, and he filled out his shirt much better. Stop fighting it: Oswald was the Doorway Man.
Notice Doorman's shirt seems large and billowing, and Oswald's seems over-sized too, as it bunches up, creases up, and folds over. That's because Oswald was a slim, slender guy: 5'9, 130 pounds. That's less than I weigh at 5'6" and I'm slim! So, Oswald didn't fill out his shirt too well. But, Lovelady did. He weighed 170 pounds! So, much stockier! And no way is his shirt billowing. It's more like he is busting out of it. Just another reason why he could not have been Doorway Man: too brawny.
Another amateur who thinks he knows a photograph has been altered, even the Zapruder film. Too bad none of the experts agree. By the way, what was Oswald's alibi? Did he claim to be standing in the doorway during the assassination? He said he was eating lunch. By the way, the guy in the doorway looks much stockier than Oswald, no matter how loudly the voice in this video shouts.
@interrogatio Oswald told Detective Will Fritz that he was "outside in front with Bill Shelley" during the shooting, and Frtiz wrote it down. Dr. James Fetzer, a prominent JFK researcher, agrees with me. Oswald said he had lunch BEFORE he went outside. It's written down. I don't know if he mentioned the doorway, but he did not live long enough to learn about the Altgens photo and the Doorway Man, so why should he have? You see how DM's shirt is billowing? That's 'cause he was NOT stocky.
@interrogatio , what "experts"? That's a pretty big collective noun, there! The Warren Report was a whitewash from the get go. How gullible do you think people are? We already know that it was a coup d'état! We have the truth on our side, and THAT IS WHAT WILL MAKE US FREE! The human mind is not quite the pile of mush that you think it is. Firsk is on to something, just as many other investigators have been on to something; the truth!
@tabletalk33 Thank you. It's overwhelming how many CTs fight with me. I expect it from lone-nutters, but not CTs. But Dr. Jim Fetzer, who used to say that it was Lovelady, now agrees with me that it was Oswald. He said it on the radio the other night, and I have a copy of the MP3. The guy was wearing Oswald's clothes, and he was wearing them just like Oswald. THAT MAKES HIM OSWALD! All by itself.
@Firsk Yes it is Oswald in the doorway. Now see if you can get Fetzer to see that the JFK autopsy photos are really JD Tippit. The DPD friends of Tippit did nickname him Jack & Kennedy, for the obvious reason. Tippit was SCHEDULED to die immediately after JFK.
Need to show a body to match the conspiracy story and altered film? You got it. The proof is in the sideburns on both men. And Kennedy did not have black hair; Tippit did. The black haired JFK pics are to keep you programmed stupid.
@jacobji5 I don't claim to know about the auotpsy photos, but I will run it by Dr. Fetzer. But, thank you for acknowledging that Oswald was the Doorway Man. I would bet my life on it. And I'm not just saying that; I really would. Somebody sent me another picture of Lovelady from Dallas PD, and I made yet another collage with Doorman. Lovelady's arm is like 3x as thick. Lovelady was like the Incredible Hulk compared to Doorman. There is no way they could haev been the same person.
When you see the 4 pics under Jaw Comparison, never mind that. Look at the sideburns. Then look again at the color death pic. And remember JFK had brown hair, not black. Furthermore, Tippit damaged his ear when falling on the street on the side of his head.
As for the X-Ray skull, you see a "hook or clasp" on it. The assholes tried to fool us using a Medical Training Skull. You can create damages to suit your needs, with a Med Skull. So obvious now.
the line was just awesome 4 people in line up 3 in suites oswald in a t shirt only one had a black eye i would have never guessed who or witch one was oswald lol
@6969clitlicker And notice that they took Oswald's shirt away. And he complained about it too. I think they didn't want us, the public, to form too many mental and visual images of Oswald wearing that shirt, that very distinctive, loose-fitting shirt, with the long lapel that formed on the left side. Tough break conspirators that Oswald wore such an unusual shirt that day, and one that matched Doorman's.
@Firsk , it's impossible to think of everything when you are conspiring, covering up, and lying. There is always the "uncertainty principle" (quantum physics) to deal with, i.e., "chance." This case has generated THOUSANDS of hard, unanswered or implausibly answered questions. Had the Warren Report dealt with this case objectively and honestly, most of those questions would have disappeared in the twinkling of an eye!
So far, no cigar, 69. The two males have a similar appearance, but Lovelady has a slightly more prominent nose, a more receding hairline, and a flannel shirt on that day. The individual at the front door has a nose and hairline (and checkered shirt) that matches Lovelady. I DO agree that the white bars on his left shoulder are odd (and could have been done optically (not with computer software, which did not exist then)), but this seems to be of no particular moment.
@456zounds The facial and hairline likenesses to Lovelady were faked. Doorman's shirt does NOT look like Lovelady's flannel shirt, but rather like Oswald's tweed shirt. White bars? Would you believe that that is supposed to be a man? I call him Black Tie Man. They crammed that phony image in to hide the distinctive collar/lapel on the left side of Oswald's shirt. Exposed, that would have given the whole thing away. Watch Video 7. It shows you that Lovelady is there. He's just not the Doorman.
@456zounds , you forget, it would have been easy airbrush LHO out of the photo and insert Lovelady to serve the crime. Notice the various SS men and the man on the left looking very intently and nervously at "Doorwayman." Why was that? Something very important must have attracted their attention. Was it the patsy wandering off script? Did the patsy suspect something? Did he have a premonition? Did the conspirators have a premonition? They certainly had reason to be nervous!
@tabletalk33 I have a new collage of the right collars of all three: Doorman, Oswald, and Lovelady. The one of Lovelady was from later, but he claimed it was the very shirt he wore that day. And you can see that there is a lot of pattern and contrast and lines in Lovelady's collar. Yet, Doorman's collar looks plain and constant, just like Oswald's. I think that when they added that phony pattern to Doorman's shirt, they forgot about the collar itself. It's hard to remember to do everything.
@6969clitlicker Lovelady died of a first heart attack at age 42, right before he was to testify again. Do you know how many 42 year olds die of heart attacks? Less than 1 in 10,000. And he looked rather fit, strong, and in good shape to me. Am I suggesting that he was killed? I do indeed suspect that. Over 100 witnesses to the JFK assassination died mysteriously and unexpectedly. Google it and see.
@Firsk , indeed, many people died mysterious deaths after the assassination. Their stories are a whole nother dimension to this dirty business. I have not seen any books which deal with them, however. Do you know of any?
@tabletalk33 I believe there is a whole book devoted to it. But there are also plenty of web pages. Of course, Billy Lovelady is on the list. He knew he wasn't the Doorman. He became part of the lie. He got recruited- after the fact. And I believe that "they" were afraid he was going to break on the cross at the HSCA hearings in 1979. A fatal heart attack at 42? Give me a break. George DeMohrenschildt (Oswald's handler) got suicided at the same time. Evil in our midst- then and now.
yeah very true 18 people died after the killing of jfk i have a site on face book called Conspiracy theories
may be you and friends could have a look and see what you think ans the series with jesse ventura Conspiracy theories
is awesome that really got me in to this mr ventura is one awesome guy and did you no that the cia has one of there own in the white house called obarma
@6969clitlicker My hope is that Jesse Ventura will get involved with this. For some reason, a lot of conspiracy theorists don't want to reconsider that Oswald was the Doorway Man. But, they need to realize that the ONLY thing about the clothing that matched Lovelady was the pattern on the shirt. And it didn't even match it that well. Only the lines were white on Lovelady's shirt, not the squares. They really didn't even do a good job faking it. Everything else about the shirt matches Oswald.
@6969clitlicker , actually, I have heard numbers of the mysterious deaths anywhere from 49, to 51, to over 100, perhaps more! Dead men tell no tales (except when "chance" intervenes, as with this photo). Isn't that interesting how the dead sometimes CAN speak to us?
I am open to any new (or newly considered) evidence, but I find this video to be unconvincing. Obviously Oswald--in the picture you show--is wearing a sports jacket, and Lovelady is wearing a "logger's" flannel shirt. Any discussion of lapels is meaningless if the individuals involved are wearing two different kinds of apparel.
@456zounds I agree with you that Oswald and Lovelady are wearing totally different shirts. But, which of their shirts match the shirt that Doorman is wearing? The answer is Oswald. The Doorman is not wearing a logger's flannel shirt. But the discussion of lapels is NOT meaningless. Watch: What Did Oswald See right here on youtube, and you'll get a good look at that lapel. You go so far as to call it a sports jacket. But the similarities to Doorman are there- no matter what you call it.
@6969clitlicker I go into that in Video 7. And I agree with you that it is weird. Those Secret Service agents seem very focused on Doorway Man. And what about the guy in the fedora hat to our left? Dr. Fetzer thinks there is a good chance that it is Jack Ruby. I agree it's very possible. Imagine what he was thinking: "Holy Moley! Get out of here, Oswald! You're going to ruin everything!"
@6969clitlicker Oswald and Ruby definitely knew each other. Multiple witnesses attested to it. Some wound up dead because of it. Oswald was seen at Ruby's strip joint. I wish I had a way of contacting Oswald's widow and his daughters. Surely, they would be interested in this. Surely, they would want to use all of this to exonerate him. If anybody has any ideas of how I could make contact with them, please let me know.
@Firsk , Dallas DA Henry Wade also frequented Ruby's club. Watch the Youtube video. Wade was asked in a news conference whether he knew Ruby or not, and he said, "no." He lied. He and many others from the Dallas PD were frequent visitors there, and they got VIP treatment from Ruby.
@tabletalk33 Yes, Ruby catered to police. It was a police nightclub. And if you read Douglass, you know that Ruby was all over Dealey Plaza before the shooting. Look, they wanted Oswald dead at the theater. That was a big disappointment. And they could only let it drag on so far. Imagine all he knew. Imagine what would have come out at trial. They had to silence him.
I welcome comments, and I don't mind critical ones, but you have to address concrete issues. And to save time: I know there are likenesses to Lovelady. THEY WERE FAKED. But the likenesses to Oswald, particularly his clothing, are real. And it can't be the other way around. There is zero chance anyone faked anything to make Doorman look like Oswald. And if Doorman is wearing Oswald's clothes, he is Oswald- by logical necessity. So, forget the shirt pattern and the hairline.Look at the collars!
Everyone knows Oswald didn't kill Kennedy but this has to be the lamest evidence I've ever seen to the point where it’s obviously staged like a lot of these other lame and lengthily vids going around with the intent of discrediting credible conspiracies.
It's not lame. Doorman's and Oswald's shirts match very well. Too well to be accounted for by chance. And Lovelady's shirt was very different- just a standard flannel shirt. Now listen up: I don't mind critics coming here because it just gives me a chance to elaborate. But, you have to be substantive. You have to address the concrete issues. You can't just disparage generally. You make another post like that, and I slap you out of here permanently. Get it?
@bensonhedges2 Decades? When ever have you heard anyone address the issue of the exact form of Doorman's shirt before? I only wish that it had bveen discussed decades ago. Now listen up: I'm giving you a pass this time, but if you make another derogatory submission that SAYS NOTHING OF SUBSTANCE, I will block you forever. Call it a pet-peeve, but I have no time or tolerance for the brain-dead.
@Firsk Oswald was not standing in the doorway. He was shooting his rifle at the president from the 6th floor. Not one person who was also in the doorway saw Oswald there during the shooting. A clear print of the John Martin film reveals that it is Lovelady, not Oswald. You say you "have no time tolerance for the brain dead", so, you, personally must have a difficult time going through life.
@Steve112263 They fake a pattern on a shirt, and you fall for it? You can't see through that? Sad. Pathetic really. But guess what, pal? You're blocked.
@Steve112263 , no, YOU are the nut. It is by the preponderance of the evidence that we know that this was a coup d'état. A coup requires the alteration of many pieces of evidence. A great many. This is one of them.
So, the author admits that the picture has been doctored. And where did the author get this picture, does he have the original or what? If someone doctored the picture, then maybe they doctored it to look more like Oswald. Once you admit to a fake how can you draw conclusions for it?
Not that I don't think the official story is BS, just that I've no way of knowing that the doorman's shirt was made to look plaid. And it sure does look that way.
I found a newspaper from Nov 23, 1963, an online version, but it's so small, you really can't see anything. But, you're not thinking straight: the campaign to incriminate was already well underway. It was a united campaign of government and media, and they were committed to it. So, if there was faking, and there was, it had to be to incriminate Oswald, and not to exonerate him. The plaiding was just darkness and light, but the form of the shirt was unalterable. It's Oswald. No doubt about it.
@Firsk "you really can't see anything" So, what's the point, if you can't see anything, then you CAN'T see anything. Newspaper pictures are especially low detail.
You say you don't have the original, nor even a copy of the newspaper from that time, you only have an online version. We need to now go back to whoever posted this, after all, anyone might have a motive to doctor the picture - say, for ex, to have fun, or notoriety. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof - Sagan.
No, not just anyone had a motive. That picture has been used for 48 years to claim that Doorway Man was Lovelady. So, the motive is clear. And they changed all that they could. But, there is still enough evidence left, namely, that shirt, that proves DM was Oswald. It was unlucky for them that Oswald wore an unusual, uncommon shirt that day. Tough break. How do you anticipate such a thing? How do you defend against it? Same shirt= Same man. This is definite: Oswald and DM were the same man.
@ralphnordenhold Yes, of course, but it's the magnitude, the audacity of the lies that is so staggering. I didn't mention it on this video but that weird configuration over Doorman's left shoulder is actually supposed to be the image of another man who is virtually merged into him like a conjoined twin. It's entirely fake, but did they really expect to get away with that? Do they think we are as gullible as small children? And, I apologize to small children.
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inspectorcritic 2 weeks ago
Oswald an innocent man.
BarryBazzaRyder 3 weeks ago
A new article by Dr. James Fetzer and myself was published today by Veterans Today: Military and Foreign Affairs Journal. The title of the article is: JFK Special: Oswald was in the Doorway, after all! I can't post the link but if you go to veteranstoday website you'll find it.
Dr. Fetzer and I feel that history was made today, that is, real history was uncovered. This may be the biggest breakthrough in the JFK assassination to come along in years, perhaps decades. Please tell others.
Firsk 1 month ago
thats so very true
6969clitlicker 1 month ago
Going by memory,in Robert Groden's Killing of a President book theres a part/picture where Lovelady is featured and put's on the shirt he supposedly wore on Nov 22/63.
He apparently kept the shirt and put it on for Grodens book picture.
I'm getting confused.
Any idea when that photo was taken for Grodens book?
Can you explain your following comment,quote,
"Lovelady claimed he was Doorman, but he knew it was expected of him"
expected of him?
adm7007 1 month ago
@adm7007 Watch Video 7 because there I analyze the photo taken by Groden and compare it to Doorman, especially the clothing. This isn't horseshoes or hand grenades. Close isn't good enough. That picture is a joke. It only raises more suspicion. Even the pattern was way off. On Lovelady's shirt, only the lines were white, not the squares, but on Doorman's shirt, there are white blotches. Was it a photographic anomaly? They could have easily tested that. They didn't. There are too many anomalies.
Firsk 1 month ago
What does Lovelady say?
Does he always say he was the doorman and not Oswald?
adm7007 1 month ago
@adm7007 Lovelady claimed he was Doorman, but he knew it was expected of him, and he changed his story about which shirt he was wearing.Then he died, supposedly of a heart attack, at age 42 right before he was to testify to Congress. So, this is not a matter of being able to accept anything that Lovelady said. The truth is that neither shirt that Lovelady might have worn matched Doorman's. Only Oswald's did. The likenesses to Oswald were very great and quite numerous. It simply had to be him.
Firsk 1 month ago
Every aspect of Doorman's clothes matches Oswald EXCEPT for the shirt pattern. But when you look closely at the pattern, it doesn't match Lovelady's all that well. This isn't horseshoes or hand grenades. Either it's a match or it isn't. But what do you do when the clothing matches Oswald but the facial features match Lovelady? You realize that one or the other must have been FAKED. Well, you know that they didn't fake Oswald's presence to exonerate him. The likenesses to Lovelady were faked.
Firsk 1 month ago
People notice the light and dark pattern on Doorman's shirt, which supposedly matches Lovelady's. But, Lovelady had a lot of pattern and contrast on his collar too, and Doorman does not. His collar looks solid and consistent like Oswald's. What gives? I'll tell you what gives: When you are committing a forgery, it's hard to think of every detail. You overlook stuff, and they overlooked the collar. Or maybe it was just too small to apply contrast. Either way, it's another glaring sign of fraud.
Firsk 1 month ago
As far as I am concerned, "69" has not made his case. If he has more evidence to present, fine. But the material he has presented, thus-far, doesn't make the grade. It appears LHO was in the lunchroom at the time of the shooting (and not upstairs on the sixth floor at the "sniper's nest"). This is sufficient to show that LHO was not the assassin. And the fact that the real killers had him murdered subsequently, makes the official (Warren whitewash)explanation even more fishy.
456zounds 1 month ago
@456zounds Oswald told Detective Fritz that he was "out in front with Bill Shelley" during the shooting, and Fritz wrote it down. Oswald was in the lunchroom BEFORE and AFTER the shooting, but not DURING. Big difference. Look, the clothing matches too well between Oswald and Doorman. Notice how both their shirts look big. Lovelady was burly in comparison, and he filled out his shirt much better. Stop fighting it: Oswald was the Doorway Man.
Firsk 1 month ago
Notice Doorman's shirt seems large and billowing, and Oswald's seems over-sized too, as it bunches up, creases up, and folds over. That's because Oswald was a slim, slender guy: 5'9, 130 pounds. That's less than I weigh at 5'6" and I'm slim! So, Oswald didn't fill out his shirt too well. But, Lovelady did. He weighed 170 pounds! So, much stockier! And no way is his shirt billowing. It's more like he is busting out of it. Just another reason why he could not have been Doorway Man: too brawny.
Firsk 1 month ago
Another amateur who thinks he knows a photograph has been altered, even the Zapruder film. Too bad none of the experts agree. By the way, what was Oswald's alibi? Did he claim to be standing in the doorway during the assassination? He said he was eating lunch. By the way, the guy in the doorway looks much stockier than Oswald, no matter how loudly the voice in this video shouts.
interrogatio 1 month ago
@interrogatio Oswald told Detective Will Fritz that he was "outside in front with Bill Shelley" during the shooting, and Frtiz wrote it down. Dr. James Fetzer, a prominent JFK researcher, agrees with me. Oswald said he had lunch BEFORE he went outside. It's written down. I don't know if he mentioned the doorway, but he did not live long enough to learn about the Altgens photo and the Doorway Man, so why should he have? You see how DM's shirt is billowing? That's 'cause he was NOT stocky.
Firsk 1 month ago
@interrogatio , what "experts"? That's a pretty big collective noun, there! The Warren Report was a whitewash from the get go. How gullible do you think people are? We already know that it was a coup d'état! We have the truth on our side, and THAT IS WHAT WILL MAKE US FREE! The human mind is not quite the pile of mush that you think it is. Firsk is on to something, just as many other investigators have been on to something; the truth!
tabletalk33 1 month ago
@tabletalk33 Thank you. It's overwhelming how many CTs fight with me. I expect it from lone-nutters, but not CTs. But Dr. Jim Fetzer, who used to say that it was Lovelady, now agrees with me that it was Oswald. He said it on the radio the other night, and I have a copy of the MP3. The guy was wearing Oswald's clothes, and he was wearing them just like Oswald. THAT MAKES HIM OSWALD! All by itself.
Firsk 1 month ago
@Firsk Yes it is Oswald in the doorway. Now see if you can get Fetzer to see that the JFK autopsy photos are really JD Tippit. The DPD friends of Tippit did nickname him Jack & Kennedy, for the obvious reason. Tippit was SCHEDULED to die immediately after JFK.
Need to show a body to match the conspiracy story and altered film? You got it. The proof is in the sideburns on both men. And Kennedy did not have black hair; Tippit did. The black haired JFK pics are to keep you programmed stupid.
jacobji5 1 month ago
@jacobji5 I don't claim to know about the auotpsy photos, but I will run it by Dr. Fetzer. But, thank you for acknowledging that Oswald was the Doorway Man. I would bet my life on it. And I'm not just saying that; I really would. Somebody sent me another picture of Lovelady from Dallas PD, and I made yet another collage with Doorman. Lovelady's arm is like 3x as thick. Lovelady was like the Incredible Hulk compared to Doorman. There is no way they could haev been the same person.
Firsk 1 month ago
@Firsk web page: morningstar 3-2 htm
When you see the 4 pics under Jaw Comparison, never mind that. Look at the sideburns. Then look again at the color death pic. And remember JFK had brown hair, not black. Furthermore, Tippit damaged his ear when falling on the street on the side of his head.
As for the X-Ray skull, you see a "hook or clasp" on it. The assholes tried to fool us using a Medical Training Skull. You can create damages to suit your needs, with a Med Skull. So obvious now.
jacobji5 1 month ago
the line was just awesome 4 people in line up 3 in suites oswald in a t shirt only one had a black eye i would have never guessed who or witch one was oswald lol
6969clitlicker 1 month ago
@6969clitlicker And notice that they took Oswald's shirt away. And he complained about it too. I think they didn't want us, the public, to form too many mental and visual images of Oswald wearing that shirt, that very distinctive, loose-fitting shirt, with the long lapel that formed on the left side. Tough break conspirators that Oswald wore such an unusual shirt that day, and one that matched Doorman's.
Firsk 1 month ago
@Firsk , it's impossible to think of everything when you are conspiring, covering up, and lying. There is always the "uncertainty principle" (quantum physics) to deal with, i.e., "chance." This case has generated THOUSANDS of hard, unanswered or implausibly answered questions. Had the Warren Report dealt with this case objectively and honestly, most of those questions would have disappeared in the twinkling of an eye!
tabletalk33 1 month ago
So far, no cigar, 69. The two males have a similar appearance, but Lovelady has a slightly more prominent nose, a more receding hairline, and a flannel shirt on that day. The individual at the front door has a nose and hairline (and checkered shirt) that matches Lovelady. I DO agree that the white bars on his left shoulder are odd (and could have been done optically (not with computer software, which did not exist then)), but this seems to be of no particular moment.
456zounds 1 month ago
@456zounds The facial and hairline likenesses to Lovelady were faked. Doorman's shirt does NOT look like Lovelady's flannel shirt, but rather like Oswald's tweed shirt. White bars? Would you believe that that is supposed to be a man? I call him Black Tie Man. They crammed that phony image in to hide the distinctive collar/lapel on the left side of Oswald's shirt. Exposed, that would have given the whole thing away. Watch Video 7. It shows you that Lovelady is there. He's just not the Doorman.
Firsk 1 month ago
@456zounds , you forget, it would have been easy airbrush LHO out of the photo and insert Lovelady to serve the crime. Notice the various SS men and the man on the left looking very intently and nervously at "Doorwayman." Why was that? Something very important must have attracted their attention. Was it the patsy wandering off script? Did the patsy suspect something? Did he have a premonition? Did the conspirators have a premonition? They certainly had reason to be nervous!
tabletalk33 1 month ago
@tabletalk33 I have a new collage of the right collars of all three: Doorman, Oswald, and Lovelady. The one of Lovelady was from later, but he claimed it was the very shirt he wore that day. And you can see that there is a lot of pattern and contrast and lines in Lovelady's collar. Yet, Doorman's collar looks plain and constant, just like Oswald's. I think that when they added that phony pattern to Doorman's shirt, they forgot about the collar itself. It's hard to remember to do everything.
Firsk 1 month ago
i think he will if he has been given the info plus lovelady has been in trouble with F.B.I
6969clitlicker 1 month ago
@6969clitlicker Lovelady died of a first heart attack at age 42, right before he was to testify again. Do you know how many 42 year olds die of heart attacks? Less than 1 in 10,000. And he looked rather fit, strong, and in good shape to me. Am I suggesting that he was killed? I do indeed suspect that. Over 100 witnesses to the JFK assassination died mysteriously and unexpectedly. Google it and see.
Firsk 1 month ago 2
@Firsk , indeed, many people died mysterious deaths after the assassination. Their stories are a whole nother dimension to this dirty business. I have not seen any books which deal with them, however. Do you know of any?
tabletalk33 1 month ago
@tabletalk33 I believe there is a whole book devoted to it. But there are also plenty of web pages. Of course, Billy Lovelady is on the list. He knew he wasn't the Doorman. He became part of the lie. He got recruited- after the fact. And I believe that "they" were afraid he was going to break on the cross at the HSCA hearings in 1979. A fatal heart attack at 42? Give me a break. George DeMohrenschildt (Oswald's handler) got suicided at the same time. Evil in our midst- then and now.
Firsk 1 month ago
yeah very true 18 people died after the killing of jfk i have a site on face book called Conspiracy theories
may be you and friends could have a look and see what you think ans the series with jesse ventura Conspiracy theories
is awesome that really got me in to this mr ventura is one awesome guy and did you no that the cia has one of there own in the white house called obarma
6969clitlicker 1 month ago
@6969clitlicker My hope is that Jesse Ventura will get involved with this. For some reason, a lot of conspiracy theorists don't want to reconsider that Oswald was the Doorway Man. But, they need to realize that the ONLY thing about the clothing that matched Lovelady was the pattern on the shirt. And it didn't even match it that well. Only the lines were white on Lovelady's shirt, not the squares. They really didn't even do a good job faking it. Everything else about the shirt matches Oswald.
Firsk 1 month ago
@6969clitlicker , actually, I have heard numbers of the mysterious deaths anywhere from 49, to 51, to over 100, perhaps more! Dead men tell no tales (except when "chance" intervenes, as with this photo). Isn't that interesting how the dead sometimes CAN speak to us?
tabletalk33 1 month ago
@tabletalk33 My understanding is that it's over 100. And don't think it doesn't give me pause. I keep my doors locked and my guns loaded.
Firsk 1 month ago
I am open to any new (or newly considered) evidence, but I find this video to be unconvincing. Obviously Oswald--in the picture you show--is wearing a sports jacket, and Lovelady is wearing a "logger's" flannel shirt. Any discussion of lapels is meaningless if the individuals involved are wearing two different kinds of apparel.
456zounds 1 month ago
@456zounds I agree with you that Oswald and Lovelady are wearing totally different shirts. But, which of their shirts match the shirt that Doorman is wearing? The answer is Oswald. The Doorman is not wearing a logger's flannel shirt. But the discussion of lapels is NOT meaningless. Watch: What Did Oswald See right here on youtube, and you'll get a good look at that lapel. You go so far as to call it a sports jacket. But the similarities to Doorman are there- no matter what you call it.
Firsk 1 month ago
why were the body guards on the car looking at him and thats a BIG WHY
6969clitlicker 1 month ago
@6969clitlicker I go into that in Video 7. And I agree with you that it is weird. Those Secret Service agents seem very focused on Doorway Man. And what about the guy in the fedora hat to our left? Dr. Fetzer thinks there is a good chance that it is Jack Ruby. I agree it's very possible. Imagine what he was thinking: "Holy Moley! Get out of here, Oswald! You're going to ruin everything!"
Firsk 1 month ago
@6969clitlicker yeah i no what you mean and when oswald was shot he saw ruby and the only shocked face was oswald no one els around he did
6969clitlicker 1 month ago
@6969clitlicker Oswald and Ruby definitely knew each other. Multiple witnesses attested to it. Some wound up dead because of it. Oswald was seen at Ruby's strip joint. I wish I had a way of contacting Oswald's widow and his daughters. Surely, they would be interested in this. Surely, they would want to use all of this to exonerate him. If anybody has any ideas of how I could make contact with them, please let me know.
Firsk 1 month ago
@Firsk , Dallas DA Henry Wade also frequented Ruby's club. Watch the Youtube video. Wade was asked in a news conference whether he knew Ruby or not, and he said, "no." He lied. He and many others from the Dallas PD were frequent visitors there, and they got VIP treatment from Ruby.
tabletalk33 1 month ago
@tabletalk33 Yes, Ruby catered to police. It was a police nightclub. And if you read Douglass, you know that Ruby was all over Dealey Plaza before the shooting. Look, they wanted Oswald dead at the theater. That was a big disappointment. And they could only let it drag on so far. Imagine all he knew. Imagine what would have come out at trial. They had to silence him.
Firsk 1 month ago
I welcome comments, and I don't mind critical ones, but you have to address concrete issues. And to save time: I know there are likenesses to Lovelady. THEY WERE FAKED. But the likenesses to Oswald, particularly his clothing, are real. And it can't be the other way around. There is zero chance anyone faked anything to make Doorman look like Oswald. And if Doorman is wearing Oswald's clothes, he is Oswald- by logical necessity. So, forget the shirt pattern and the hairline.Look at the collars!
Firsk 2 months ago
Everyone knows Oswald didn't kill Kennedy but this has to be the lamest evidence I've ever seen to the point where it’s obviously staged like a lot of these other lame and lengthily vids going around with the intent of discrediting credible conspiracies.
soleprobe 2 months ago
It's not lame. Doorman's and Oswald's shirts match very well. Too well to be accounted for by chance. And Lovelady's shirt was very different- just a standard flannel shirt. Now listen up: I don't mind critics coming here because it just gives me a chance to elaborate. But, you have to be substantive. You have to address the concrete issues. You can't just disparage generally. You make another post like that, and I slap you out of here permanently. Get it?
Firsk 2 months ago
Geez, "Doctor", you're an idiot. Rehashing stuff that's been proven false DECADES ago just makes you look like a fool.
bensonhedges2 2 months ago in playlist Uploaded videos
@bensonhedges2 Decades? When ever have you heard anyone address the issue of the exact form of Doorman's shirt before? I only wish that it had bveen discussed decades ago. Now listen up: I'm giving you a pass this time, but if you make another derogatory submission that SAYS NOTHING OF SUBSTANCE, I will block you forever. Call it a pet-peeve, but I have no time or tolerance for the brain-dead.
Firsk 2 months ago
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@Firsk Oswald was not standing in the doorway. He was shooting his rifle at the president from the 6th floor. Not one person who was also in the doorway saw Oswald there during the shooting. A clear print of the John Martin film reveals that it is Lovelady, not Oswald. You say you "have no time tolerance for the brain dead", so, you, personally must have a difficult time going through life.
IwshIcldstrtover 2 months ago
LHO's shirt was plain with no pattern, the doorway man shirt had a pattern.
So much for your ridiculous theory. I cannot believe that ANYONE takes your theory seriously. You appear to be a nut.
Steve112263 2 months ago
@Steve112263 They fake a pattern on a shirt, and you fall for it? You can't see through that? Sad. Pathetic really. But guess what, pal? You're blocked.
Firsk 2 months ago
@Steve112263 , no, YOU are the nut. It is by the preponderance of the evidence that we know that this was a coup d'état. A coup requires the alteration of many pieces of evidence. A great many. This is one of them.
tabletalk33 2 months ago
So, the author admits that the picture has been doctored. And where did the author get this picture, does he have the original or what? If someone doctored the picture, then maybe they doctored it to look more like Oswald. Once you admit to a fake how can you draw conclusions for it?
Not that I don't think the official story is BS, just that I've no way of knowing that the doorman's shirt was made to look plaid. And it sure does look that way.
You'll need better proof than this.
rocketship111 2 months ago
I found a newspaper from Nov 23, 1963, an online version, but it's so small, you really can't see anything. But, you're not thinking straight: the campaign to incriminate was already well underway. It was a united campaign of government and media, and they were committed to it. So, if there was faking, and there was, it had to be to incriminate Oswald, and not to exonerate him. The plaiding was just darkness and light, but the form of the shirt was unalterable. It's Oswald. No doubt about it.
Firsk 2 months ago 2
@Firsk "you really can't see anything" So, what's the point, if you can't see anything, then you CAN'T see anything. Newspaper pictures are especially low detail.
You say you don't have the original, nor even a copy of the newspaper from that time, you only have an online version. We need to now go back to whoever posted this, after all, anyone might have a motive to doctor the picture - say, for ex, to have fun, or notoriety. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof - Sagan.
rocketship111 2 months ago
No, not just anyone had a motive. That picture has been used for 48 years to claim that Doorway Man was Lovelady. So, the motive is clear. And they changed all that they could. But, there is still enough evidence left, namely, that shirt, that proves DM was Oswald. It was unlucky for them that Oswald wore an unusual, uncommon shirt that day. Tough break. How do you anticipate such a thing? How do you defend against it? Same shirt= Same man. This is definite: Oswald and DM were the same man.
Firsk 2 months ago 2
Would the government lie? . . . . in a "new York minute"!!
ralphnordenhold 2 months ago 2
@ralphnordenhold Yes, of course, but it's the magnitude, the audacity of the lies that is so staggering. I didn't mention it on this video but that weird configuration over Doorman's left shoulder is actually supposed to be the image of another man who is virtually merged into him like a conjoined twin. It's entirely fake, but did they really expect to get away with that? Do they think we are as gullible as small children? And, I apologize to small children.
Firsk 2 months ago 2