Difference between controlled round and push feed

[drewnickel]

I think push feed is better for high pressure or overbore cartridges due to the ability to add a third locking lug depending on the action used, but for dangerous game the controlled feed should be the first option due to the lower chance of dropping ammunition if the gun is hit while you're cycling the bolt. Basically if you're looking for strength go for push feed, if your looking for reliability go for controlled feed

[R5H4D0W]

push feed seems like there would be less wear on the extractor... but gee, one can shoot out quite a few barrels before noticing significant wear

[cetoucool]

I love so much the sound it does when the cartridge is ejected

[LastCaress7]

Push feed por vida!

[ramv36]

Interesting to also note in this conversation is that nearly all automatic pistols use controlled round feed.

[TheAKOmnicide]

Controlled feed is the best in my opinion. Yes it may be prone to causing malfunctions in the rifle if the extractor doesn't immediately grip the bullet, but if the extractor holds the cartridge all the way through it's cycling it will result in a more accurate shot when compared to the push feed, where the bullet is just pushed in by the bolt and only grips the rim of the cartridge until the end of the bolt's cycling when it is closed.

[Gungeek]

@TheAKOmnicide How does that make it more accurate?

[MrMooseSlayer]

@TheAKOmnicide I don't get it. How do you figure this?



[baneat]

The difference wasn't really clear, what was different between the two?

[scepticpatriot]

waw it's a Kar98

[amaroq69]

Larry Potterfield is the Jenna Jameison of gun porn!

[shanehey]

you cant use a push rounder upside down

[LutzDerLurch]

@shanehey but who uses a rifle upside down? ^^

[shanehey]

@LutzDerLurch Mauser claw control round feed bolt actions are like the 1911 of bolt guns. The answer to you question no one needs it but it is a lot less likely to jam than a push feed.

[LutzDerLurch]

@shanehey If it's such a diffrence...

[goodnightChesty1775]

my cousin just got a new model 70 and its awsome, now i am a big remington fan i have 870s 700s but i want a nice pre 63 model 70

[weerd2normal]

i prefer push feed myself, even though i cant seem to find out the difference, like reliability wise, or practicality wise, if anyone can point out some to me that would be great...

[shoespank]

@weerd2normal I prefer sako style push feed ever since I was out fox shooting with a Brno fox .17 Ackley hornet and the had a miss-feed where a shell jumped in front of the extractor and was pushed into the chamber but without being captured. The extractor couldn't jump the rim and the shell wouldn't fall out of the chamber as they were neck-sized only. One out of commission rifle, foxes running everywhere, and a long drive home to a cleaning rod to gently extract the round. Embarrassing!

[ramv36]

@shoespank Sorry, but I HAVE to ask: You didn't bring along a cleaning rod on a hunt? What if you have a muzzle obstruction or a jammed case in the field. A cheap segmented rod is way lighter than a backup rifle.

Ok, mostly joking and just giving you a hard time, but I've learned that lesson nearly the same way already. Keep hunting, and teach someone new to hunt and enjoy it. It truly is a dying art.

[shoespank]

@ramv36 Well, I was only about 15 at the time and have learned a bit since then. Dad and I now take the .17 cleaning rod with us if we take the .17 (usually SAKO .22-250 these days though...) I now have a son myself, (named 'Hunter') and he will be well instructed in the art let me assure you! :)

[ntrudr800]

I prefer the classic Mauser 98 style action. I fell in love with the action as soon as I realized how it was built, how the bolt comes out, the safety mechanism, and so forth. It just looks... big, tough, & smart. The '03 Springfield counts too.

A Remington 700 cycles smoother than a Mauser style (ex. CZ 550 American) from what I read, but the Mauser is durable as heck. I hear the Mauser smooths out with use.

[Orkunis]

controlled round feed

[simmonsjoe]

controlled round feed allows you to extract the round if for some reason it doesn't go completely into battery.

[MrCookie537]

so the controlled would be best less jamming and it would actually fully solve this problem

[kontknager]

Learned a lot from this channel. Thanks larry.

[bazengao]

did he said .700 on the last weapon?!?!

[baconator490]

@bazengao he said remington 700. Its a model of the rifle it doesnt shoot .700 mostly just .30 cal variants

[SporadicallySane]

@bazengao Remington 700, not a .700 chambered weapon.

[werewolf88999]

i have a POST 64, Win 70 PUSH FEED in 30-06. i love it to death and works great for me, i plan on getting a PRE 64, CRF Win 70 in the future after i buy myself a Mini 14, i belive this argument is also way way over hyped the main advantage of crf is the roud not falling out if the chamber when shooting in werid postions, so lets just stop this never ending debate pls it's all just preference my fellow shooters

[Rooboner117]

And why is it that way?

[Andreask93]

@Rooboner117

controlled feed is usually feeds better, but you have a big claw extractor that is a potential danger, if a round explodes in the chamber.

whit a push feed system, the extractor is located within the bolt an hence if a round explodes in the chamber, the blast won't go in your face.

[hidethisnine]

Good explaination Larry.

[Gorganite07]

its kinda scary the way he just says "and thats the way it is" holding a gun haha

[Crim15]

Kind of like a disturbing Mr. Rogers..

[Ayato3]

So if i'm planning on shooting dickheads like u wich one should I choose?

[mzoli1222]

I think the Mauser has the controlled round feed for military purposes.

[griffy85b]

Does anyone know whether the military versions of the Remington 700 are controlled round feed or push feed?

[lmberish]

ALL remington 700's are push feed.

[12gaugebleachdrinker]

@lmberish Not Remington 798's! It's still a 700 with a Mauser action.

[spartan765]

push

[brandonc223]

Push feed bro.

[514mach1]

Sooo, if you're going to be loading the round in with plenty of time, want it to be quiet, and will be holding the gun upright while doing it, push feed is probably for you. If you're in a war or hunting animals that may hunt you while you try for a second shot, controlled feed shines.

[514mach1]

dangerous game rifles are controlled feed because it's a more reliable system. You don't want to have the back of the shell fly up and wedge in front of the bolt when you got a cape buff coming for you. It also is arguably a stronger extractor if the case gets stuck in the chamber after firing. However, push feed is usually quieter, which is why non DG hunters usually like it. And controlled feed shouldn't be fed rounds single on top of the plate (they need to feed up from the magazine).

[PRussell303]

extractors on control feed rifles still have a spring and movement to them, so if you slid a round directly into the chamber and closed the bolt, the extractor would just clip over the rim of the cartrige, it doesn't warp the round or do any damage to the firearm.

[mfilip62]

What kind of feed does Mauser have;

controled feed

ergo:

Controled feed is the best,end of conversation!

[lmberish]

Controlled round feed is the best (m1917 enfield, mauser 98, ruger 77, winchester model 70 classic pre-64, 1903 springfield). Try proving that your rem model 700 is more accurate than my 1917 enfield or even my ruger m77 in 300 win mag and you just might get proven wrong. Why do you think dangerous game rifles are always made in CRF?

[andrew11769]

This is a preference for the most part. The only reason for a captured type feeding is on a military rifle where your more likely to be shooting from a dirty rifle in odd positions. As far as accuracy this has no effect. To use your example I have turned many 700s in win 300 mag for moose hunting. For the simple reason they are a more accurate rifle.

[lmberish]

HI andrew11769, I think on average the push feed is inherently more accurate. There are exceptions to the rule though, this is all I am saying: I have 2 rifles in the gun safe right now that are controlled round feed that I will never get rid of because of their accuracy. One rifle I recently purchased (sportorized m1917), shoots 5 shot groups of 1/2 inch m.o.a consistantly. The other is a 300 win mag in ruger 77 that consistantly shoots 3/4 inch groups. I've had too many problems with the 700.

[kandreas147]

i love these guns...

[kilamin]

i love you Larry Potterfield

[fbs9494]

gotta love a good mauser

[nitro105]

A good Mauser will load upside down laying on your back etc,, a .303 will just drop it, not nessisary except in war. but good to know.

[PRussell303]

what? you mean .303 british as in Lee enfield No.4? that's CRF there buddy, just like the mauser, not going to "just drop it". Trust me, I just went and checked on my enfield.

[nitro105]

Ya, your right I just tried it, I didn't think the extractor would catch it before the magazine let go of it.

[chocohills78]

OK, I finally get it... A CRF will pick up the rim of the cartridge as it strips it off the magazine. A PF will "snap" over the rim as the bolt is closed. That's why my Mauser can't close on a round that has been fed by hand into the chamber! OK like I said, that explains a lot, thanks!

[monkeyah]

can you 'feed' a cartridge while up side down? the entire rifle upside down?

[mikepa1988]

so in controlled round feed, there's a piece of metal that holds the round, but there isn't any in push feed.

then, what does push the cartridge backwards once fired, while it is not held by the bolt?

[Milithane]

push feed does have a extractor. listen.

with a push feed action, the bolt doesn't grip the rim of the cartridge until the bolt is completely closed.

the extractor with the help of a protruding area of the receiver helps kick the cartridge out of the extractor and clear of the rifle when you pull the bolt all the way back.

[JeffreyRodriguez]

I've noticed with a push-fed Savage 10FP the rounds has the potential to go flying instead of feeding properly. It's rare, but it can happen. It looks like the controlled feed prevents that from happening.

[patlfdunn101]

Larry rules!

[ComradeKalashnikov47]

yes he does