Jim Chapin talks about the Moeller Method

[lumyingluo]

awesome

[HassbeatDrumChannel]

Hey Catz! I studied with both of these guys when I was in high school on long island. "Dependent/relying on rebound" does not mean there is NO rebound. It simply means there's more to it than rebound. That's true. However, it's physically impossible to play this technique with dynamic control, up to speed, without any rebound. This example is not up to tempo.

For practical up tempo application, check out my low moeller video for the right hand. THANKS!

[metalmanky306]

@HassbeatDrumChannel I wanted to say something like that - the way I see it, you don't rely on the rebound, but you do use it to your advantage, which is different.

[IxdokuxI]

oh hey thats dom famularo!

[spacitydrummer4JC]

Jim at 0:37 "Is this noob serious? Really?"

[ediot6969]

What Jim was saying. Remember this is a short clip so it's out of context. His words I'm not relying on the rebound at all. What thus meAns is that after getting the moeller down it teaches ur muscles the movement and u then can do it on any surface. But it starts from a rebound approach. Getting more for less. Just get jojo mayers DVD.

[markod2002]

Kids!!! tarvis barker is a top drummer, but it has no relevance to the video. dick heads! Just appreciate a 82 year old legend and master of drumming.

[drummerboy7227]

look at young little dom xD

[BLINK2BARKER]

dude chapman vs barker is a no braner travis can sweep the floor with him on set chapmens good on a fucking pad tho

[fabknot1]

A LEGEND

[jonnyboulanger]

i love how his head starts moving whenever he starts playing

[speakercoilmusic]

why the hell on every Jim Chapin video is there an argument about Travis Barker... Travis Barker is one trick pony drummer... Jim Chapin is a legend. I can think of dozens of drummers more talented than Travis Barker... Carter Beauford, Tony Royster Jr., Dennis Chambers... Hell even more minimalist drummers like Dave Weikel, and Yuval Gabay. However Jim Chapin is a legend, and people like Travis would still be in a garage sucking if it weren't for the knowledge of such a great like Chapin.

[astonbrock]

Travis Barker is an excellent drummer. However, if you suggested to him that he kicks Don Famularo's, or Jim Chapin's ass, he would laugh.

[Dyintryin]

. If you had any sense or understanding of the drums you would know that Jim Chapin helped all these yonger players get their s**t together with his knowledge. travis barker might not be able to do shit with his 1 arm when HE is 85 years old. Have some respect, or better still keep it to yourself..

[drumsmasterj]

Travis Barker is a standard punk rock drummer who will never touch a lot of these greats. Yeah, he broke an arm and continued playing, big deal and yeah he knows his rudiments cold but he doesn't play nothing spectacular, he never revolutionized drumming, he brain washed the younger generation. Now get the wild hair out of your ass and appreciate this video for what it is.

[dicko2704]

clearing up the chapin vs weckl dispute...do what you find more comfortable, every drummer is different, these guys dont have your hands so do what your body naturally does

[shimmyshimmyshimmy21]

you got that from mike johnston didn't you

[dicko2704]

yeah, the best advice about drumming ive ever heard

[lazur1]

There is no actual Chapin vs Weckl dispute, except in the minds of 3rd parties, as Chapin's major point has always been to use what works for you, and not to listen to anyone, (including himself), whose ideas don't work for you.

[fogtown93]

David Weckl or Jim Chapin?

Just because one is the "correct" Moeller method, that doesn't make it better than the other players method. Wich one is easier?

Weckl and Chapin are both really good so it's hard to say.

[Papar8]

I think that it's all about rebound.Just an opinion...

[Iconoclastic8]

Except that Mr Chapin says explicitly that the stick "bounces in the hand", and so is not dependent on the rebound of the surface.

[timbojeep]

So, let me get this straight. Jim Chapin, who was taught by Moeller himself, says it has nothing to do with the rebound of the stick. However, Dave Weckl states that it has everything to do with the rebound of the stick.. Any clarifications?

[Rogmeister999]

Jim Chapin wins against weckl, as he studied directly under moeller himself.

[sniper2073]

Chapin is talking about the essence of the technique. The Moeller technique is basically the regeneration of power by using different muscle groups. What Weckl is referring to is the most practical application of the Moeller technique, which is to get much more rebound out of the stick. Chapin doesn't really use it this way, everything is controlled by different muscle groups. Mainly wrist to finger.

[peterelchepo]

that appeared on wikipedia and i rely more on this guy cause rebounding on the hand you can make more control of your hits. what i dont like about moeller method is that you cant get one tone notes although im going to practice this cause moeller was a genious.

[brock786]

the interviewer sounds like hes auditioning someone for a porn

[imover18gotityube]

This is HUGE! xD

[sonortubelug]

This is hilarious.Jim looks dead for the first 20 seconds and for the rest of it Dom looks like he's visiting his grandad in hospital that he wants to fuck.

[drummerdude1456]

lol agreed

[shlempnar]

man dom is always so stoked on everything

[1245102]

ahhhh, drumming language that is delightful to my ears. Especially in the hands of 2 individuals who are masters of this art. Dom Famularo & Jim Chapin. People like these sould remind us all why drumming and music over all is something to do for life primarily as an art form before anything else.

[smoothdrummer29]

I thought this guy's chin and mouth were gonna attack me when this clip first started, and nearly pee'd a little.

[PositivelyBored]

lol @ comments on Dom . hes truly a class act and great drummer.  Yes Jim Chapin is on another level, at least influence wise...Dom is great though, never met him, seems to genuinely love what he does

[itakun94]

Ha.

I'm just starting out drumming, so this helped me alot.

[fathomsasleep]

The guy on the left is such a dick, coaxing this vic firth endorsement out of the old dude. Sick technique.

[AirHendrix91]

Poor Jim lol.

Awesome drummer though. He really has helped with my double strokes. He's the man.

[PanteraFan310]

If I was Dom I'd want to hear EVERYTHING this man had to say.

[fredbaterista]

Bueno la mano tonta siempre será la mano tonta... ^_^

[paolobeat]

not if you train it

[dontobeay]

lol, I thought that Jim was to old to speak full sentenses at first the way the other guy was teling him to answer questions

[usernaameunavailable]

as the other video.. NAHAHAHAHAHHAHA

[fatallypercussive]

do some triplets now... yeah.. yeeahhhhhh

[IViscool]

jim looks dead

[spacitydrummer4JC]

:38, Jim Is like..."are you kidding? come one dude"

[fathomsasleep]

Truth! He's like, who the hell is this guy? Lemme play drums

[unimoggie]

hahaha I love Dom F but Jim does look a little miffed at being stage directed on this one! Still theyve prolly been buddies since they were young! These movies are great. I also got chapins book - its awesome! The amount of GREAT drummers who recommend Chapin and DF is testament enough to the stellar importance of these guys :D

[Mixophyrgian]

whoever made this video didn't have a mic on the drum or on Jim. Booooo.

[fullfadeway9]

take ur hand off his shoulder u weirdo.

[hueymeister]

hahah true dat!

[biomorfo]

hehehehe yeah!!!

[newsoftheworld123]

dom's a creeper.  way too touchy-feely if you know what i mean

[Aplustradomus]

damn..

[aerozeplyn]

i'm sorry but dom famularo creeps me out. especially here.

[TrunJun420]

how can dom creep you out? hes so jolly and happy ALL the time.  XD

[drummerjonathanp]

His hands on Jim's shoulder the whole time that really creeps me out lol

[queixada4]

smoooooooth.

[Musicaman12]

He taught Jojo Mayer the moller whip! SO awesome

[nellyfolly]

ouch the way i just typed is weird my period button is broken sorry

[nellyfolly]

Jim was my drum teacher John Hvasta teacher before ive been playing for 6 years and Jim thought tommy lang so I have little bit of connection to tom

[jaytorre88]

You people need to get a life! having a dig at the man behind one of the greatest drum techniques ever just because he got a roll wrong. He's in his 80's FFS!!

[northtosouth01]

That was pretty awesome just with 1 hand.

I've never heard of this technique before though. I'll have to look into it more

[madchops82]

this guy wrote the book that pretty much all you who dis him haven't studied. He's 82 and probably has faster hands than you!!!

[MikeyFlorida]

*after 64 years...

[jaytorre88]

idiot! will you still be able to wipe your own ass after 64 years? lol

[MikeyFlorida]

I don't know about myself, but I think Jim Chapin can still wipe his ass clean as a whistle.

[MikeyFlorida]

i don't get it... after 64 how does he mess up like 4 times still?

[cmoney9888]

he messes up cause its with his left hand. chapin has been a trad grip player for 64 years, not a matched grip player.

[MikeyFlorida]

oh, I see. He messes up sometimes, yet his technique looks and sounds better than anyone.  I don't question Chapin's mastery.

[Amevaag]

He has played drums for 64 years yes, but he has always played with traditional grip.

[musicnice10]

first of all dude he is 82 years old. most people have like alzeimers or something by then. second of all, this guy is a master of the moeller technique. u dare question his ability??

[DrunkenSpongebob]

yeah he messes up at times but that understandable after 82 years. Sure, there are many that can outplay him, but the important thing is all the knowledge he has.

[masterkhufu]

perhaps he could be outplayed in some areas, but the younger percussionists wouldn't even have the understanding of the instrument that they do now if it wasn't for pioneers like Chapin

[yXdrummerXy]

definately

[samanthasolkova]

Yeah.. Well, thank goodness then for him. :)

[katzenkrueger]

82?? But not perfect!!

[hellothisismeth]

The guy with the lavalier is a dick, but Chapin is awesome.

[richcapo]

"Not dependent on the rebound at all" -- from the man himself. It's not merely whipping the stick into the drum and letting it bounce. There's a whole lot more technique involved in it, despite what Jojo Mayer believes and uses. This is in no way a simple technique.

[wingnutrules]

I had a discussion with Jacob Kaye who took lessons from Chapin and I asserted the same idea, that Chapin himself says "it doesn't rely on the rebound" to which Kaye says that's in the context of the learning of the method. To gain speed you have to rely on the bounces. Since then I've really pushed myself and the rebound technique really works.

[richcapo]

Like Chapin says, the stick "bounces in your hand" -- thanks to the loose grip. It does not, however, just rebound over and again into the drum head. You can see this clearly when he demonstates the wrist motion at the end of the clip (when he's not hitting the pad). It's not a buzz roll, which a lot of players -- like Weckl, Pope and Mayer -- make it out to be. Chapin's wrists simply are that fast. Thanks for the response, wingnutrules. And thanks for posting this great video.

[wingnutrules]

THanks, So what do you make of Britts video? He talks about economy of motion. Is his "spin" on the technique correct? He sounds like Pope when he says that you do the "whip" and the bounces happen afterward. This is so weird, so many different takes on how it works.

[richcapo]

Like you said, there are a million interpretations of the Moeller technique. Britts' doesn't remotely resemble what Chapin teaches, though, imo. It's a much less rigorous and exacting technique that takes considerably less skill than the technique Chapin uses, I believe.

[PositivelyBored]

@richcapo

There are so many techniques but chops necessary to execute.

The only advice I could give is to stay as loose as possible, but most importantly do not always lift your wrists or arms up.

Keeping your hand down after a strike, and allowing stick rebound 90 degrees then catch, is a perfect exercise for developing moeller whipping action

Most importantly releasing tensionis crucial to sounding good. same with bass drum, after a strike you want to heel/down to release

[jenky1901]

hes a complete leg end