Health care is a privilege? Funny how hateful schmucks like this run on Christian based platforms. If there really is a God I hope he hates assholes like Zach Wamp.
having been without healthcare for almost my whole life and now turning that savings on to paying for my college classes I can honestly say I do not want healthcare, I want the governments hand out of my pocket and NO I do not get tenncare. I avoid hospitals like the plague. Now I will be the worlds healthiest FRY COOK since I am being forced to buy healthcare. Thank you all for the American dream.
We need the free clinics back (Yes we had free health care clinics in the 50's)and Tenn Care could be available to all TN citizens. Instead of Tenn care recipients going to the emergency room for a cold at a cost of over $1000 visit, if they were directed to one of the many inexpensive private clinics, the cost would be under $100. Tenn Care costs would be sliced and more CITIZENS would be eligible at a major reduction of state funding requirements.
This is my Congressman, Zack YOU SUCK. And for the Governor's job your running for Ya like hell. Why don;t you tell us how much blue cross paid you for your NO Vote
Health care is not a right. Health care needs to become more affordable. It is actually government interference in the health care industry which helps keep prices high and unaffordable for too many Americans.
No wonder our cars can't compete with foreign cars. In all other auto producing nations, their car makers don't have to worry about health care. They used to joke that GM was a health care company that made cars. Soon the titans of big business will know that health care costs are unsustainable and start lobbying congress to get universal health care passed. If big business wants it, big business gets it. And watch all these right wing bozos be suddenly for it.
Protection is NOT a right. It is not free. It is the responsibility of the individual, not the government.
If someone breaks into your house, I'm sure you'd do the right thing. There's no way a righteous man like yourself would ever stoop so low as to parasitize from your fellow Americans by calling the taxpayer-funded, SOCIALIST police.
"You are making a flawed comparison between socialized medicine and having a police force."
Really? No analogy is perfect, and this is certainly no exception, but I think it'd be interesting to you explain exactly HOW it's different.
If security were available only through the free market, it'd be cheaper, more accessible and more effective, right? So why don't we do it? Why should I have to pay for the police to respond to YOUR emergencies?
Actually, some communities hired their own police to patrol their neighborhoods.
There are legitimate roles that the government has to play in society. Law enforcement is one of them. The reason that America has the greatest health care in the world is the free market system. We spend MORE on health care because WE HAVE MORE than other nations. We can have laser surgery on our eyes to eliminate glasses. We can have our fat removed, breasts made larger, and even fix our wrinkles.
What company will invest a billion dollars to develop new drugs if they cannot make a profit? Socialized medicine will accomplish nothing more than rationing of care and lower quality. The best doctors will work in private clinics for rich people and we will be left with the rest.
We can lower costs by the government actually paying for the cost of medicare. We can lower costs by making health insurance mandatory for everyone. We can lower cost by limiting medical lawsuits.
"There are legitimate roles that the government has to play in society. Law enforcement is one of them."
That's better! (next time leave out the "filler."} Okay, fine. I suppose it's your right to decree what is and what isn't a "legitimate role" of the government. Moving on.
"America has the greatest health care in the world."
Important distinction following: we have the best TECHNOLOGY, not the best SYSTEM. You're comparing apples & healthcare.
You realize "profit" is wasted resources, right? If you replaced private research funding by government funding, guess what? more RESEARCH, less CEO "BONUS-ING"
Laser eye surgery, liposuction, boob-jobs? I'm finishing a degree in biochm and want to be a cancer researcher. It makes me sick to work this hard as part of a system where people die waiting for their insurance to finance life-saving procedures, all the while some whore is having no problem smoothing her wrinkles and fixing her tits.
NO, profit is NOT waste. Profit is a GOOD THING. You have allowed your mind to be corrupted by your liberal education.
My point is that when liberals toss around numbers that they are not being honest. For example, more than half of the "uninsured" simply choose not to buy health insurance when they can afford it. They buy nicer mobile phones and flat screens, and gamble that they won't get sick. Tell me, why should I provide their healthcare, when I am already paying for my own?
We have the best health care. People from around the world come here have their surgeries and treatments done. Please don't lecture me on "filler". You brought up the role of the police. I simply pointed out that in some communities the residents "hire" their own.
I am not decreeing anything. I am looking at the facts and say that socialized medicine is BAD for our country. I don't want the government determining my healthcare.
I'm one of those "liberals who choose not to have health insurance" as call us. I don't have health insurance because I can't afford it. I don't make enough money to pay my rent, car insurance,and food bill as it is. I haven't been to a doctor in a few years because I can't afford it.
The last time I got sick, I didn't go to a doctor. I went to work and then to the store. I infected people instead of seeing a doctor. Good thing my flu wasn't the deadly kind.
That would be illegal. If I were caught, I would loose my car, my license (which would likely result in the loss of my job), and I would be heavily fined. If I were caught a second time without insurance, I would go to jail. In my state, it is illegal not to have car insurance. The same is not true for health insurance. If it were, I probably still wouldn't have it since I am more likely to meet a cop than a doctor.
I would love a better job. Shame there aren't any right now.
His plan will also be cheep enough to afford so it's easier to mandate.
As stated, I am more likely to be caught by a cop than a doctor. Because of costs, I have a choice between a car or health, but not the choice of both. I need a car to get to work. I need to work to pay my bills. If I don't have a car, I can't pay my bills. All the health insurance in the world wont help me if I can't pay for it because I lost my car. I don't like taking the risk, but I really don't have much of a choice.
It's nice that you have a choice, but like 47 million other people, I don't. I can't get insurance. I can't afford it. I have "preexisting" conditions. The cheapest I can get insurance is about $500 a month and it will not cover medications, doctor visits, treatments, or anything else I would need. What would be the point in having that?
So long as insurance is a for profit industry, lots of us will be denied care in name of making a buck.
Or at least you hope it does. Until it happens, you wont know for sure.
Yes, they are like me actually. 47 million don't have health insurance because they can't afford it. That is all that is counted in that 47 million figure. If you include people who "don't want it," you are talking about close to 50 million people who don't have insurance at all. Another 100 million report that their insurance only covers disastrous injuries but not preventative care.
150 million people is a real health care crisis, especially when a deadly disease does hit.
There is no reason for a government plan to be more expensive. Unlike insurance companies, it will not be for profit. There will be no one making money off you. Thus, they will not need to charge large amounts to pay all the people working to deny you care and still make several million for themselves. This will drive costs down all across the board, including in the private sector. All will benefit.
Here is what will happen. The public plan will be very inexpensive and cover nearly everything. Most people will drop their coverage and jump in the plan. Businesses will stop offering health insurance as a benefit forcing their employees to take the government plan or buy private insurance.
This will not force insurance companies to charge less, but simply stop offering medical insurance at all. No profit, no market.
The government plan will eventually become a single payer system.
Single payer works for me. It works in every other country and does it for less. Besides, if the insurance companies can't compete, they should be driven out of business. That's the capitalist model.
As for business, they will be better off for it. With the government covering health care costs, they will be able to make more money, just like they do in all those other countries. There is a reason industry has left this country and health care costs are part of that reason.
They are competing against the government that they fund with their taxes. They compete against a plan that is paid for by the taxpayers.
They do it for less because they have price controls. If we have their system, then there will be no money for R&D. Healthcare will suffer.
Do you know why healthcare costs have risen? It is called Medicare and Medicaid. The government only pay 80% of what they approve. Who makes up that 20-30%?
Then maybe you should tell that to Pew and Gallop, the leading independent pollsters in the US. They, the paid experts who have been doing unbiased polls for years, say that 47 million can't afford it. I find that I believe professional pollsters over republicans with insurance company talking points, personally. Republicans have a stake in lying to us. Pew and Gallop wont gain anything from this either way so I find it hard to believe they would lie.
I can afford it and I don't make much money. I have a home and two cars. I don't have HD flat screens or the latest mobile phone. I do have medical insurance.
Good for you. 47 million of us are not that well off. This may comes as a shock to you, but there are poor people in this country, and they can't afford health insurance. Just because you can does not mean everyone else can. Step out of your bubble and take a look around. You may be shocked to find that people freeze to death on the streets, children starve in their homes, and people die from completely preventable diseases. We can stop the last one very easily.
I am not in a bubble. I work with "poor" people. I know people who choose not to pay for medical insurance because they want other stuff instead. I also don't put much faith in polls. Numbers can be manipulated to show whatever you want them to show.
I am not shock that people freeze to death, children strave, and some die from preventable diseases. These doe not happen because we do not do enough. In fact, it is because we do so much for people.
Obviously you don't. You are so blind to reality, you can't see what is going on in this country. 78% of people want a public option. Try asking yourself why so many want the same thing.
Why would they manipulate the numbers? Pew and Gallop have nothing to gain or lose no matter what the outcome. Now you're just deliberately ignoring facts.
We give them so much food they starve to death? Sorry, but that's not how it works. You don't die from too much care, just a lack of it.
People have been deceived into thinking that they are going to get something for nothing. Why would anybody manipulate the numbers? To convince people that we need something we don't need. How do Pew and Gallop know what a person can or cannot afford? Do they actually look at the person's finances? I do! I counsel people financially all the time. They have cable, cellphones, high speed internet, and new cars, but no health insurance. Most of them are young and healthy.
We know it will cost money. We are willing to pay more taxes to support it. That is how the government makes money.
Pew and Gallop call and ask. The ask questions like "how old are you?" and "do you have health insurance?" and "if not, why not?" Those are not biased questions. There is no gain in lying about answers.
The people you are counseling are not the poor. They are the lower middle class who can afford your services. Your sample is skewed towards a particular group, not everyone.
No, people afford what they can afford. For example, I want to afford a house, but I sure as hell can't. Even with houses being the lowest they will likely ever be in my lifetime, I would not be able to make the monthly payments. I want to, but no matter how hard I try to stretch my dollars, I can't. It is not possible.
47 million people in this country live like I do: paycheck to paycheck. Health insurance is out of their reach because of price, not choice.
Actually, after looking at health care costs in all the other industrialized countries (who somehow manage to do it for less while giving better care to their people), I know that a public option will be affordable.
If you like private insurance, keep it. No one will force you to give it up. In fact, a public option will drive your costs down because it will be more competition, which all those economists say bring down costs. You will benefit from a public plan, just as I will.
They manage to provide care because they have price controls. They ration care and control costs. What happens when drug companies no longer can make a profit? Where will they get the billion dollars it takes to develop and market a new drug? There is no competing with the government. Does anyone compete with Medicare?
How would price controls be bad? Keeping the price affordable is good.
Rationed care is better than no care or our current system of auctioned care.
Switzerland and Germany lead the world in new drug development, yet they are nonprofit. Profit is not a motive for drug development. Never has been. Never will be.
Yes, private insurance competes with medicare, or so they claim. They say medicare is so awful, everyone wants off. Funny how the old are not fleeing to private insurance.
Germany and Switzerland are selling to everyone except the US, actually. Most of their drugs are not allowed in the US, along with generic drugs, because the drug companies don't want the competition.
How in the world is rationed worse than not having it at all? How is rationed worse than having your share taken and given to someone that can pay more for it?
Europe is not having a doctor/nurse shortage like the US is. They don't have a problem recruiting talented doctors like we do.
Then why do they complain about not being allowed to sell in this country?
If care is rationed in Canada, then why do they live longer, have a lower infant mortality rate, get needed surgeries quicker, and report greater satisfaction with their care?
Clearly, limited pay has not stopped doctors or nurses from becoming doctors/nurses. They have more doctors available and the government helps cover the costs of medical school. Your examples don't line up with reality.
"Britain's top cancer consultants have accused the governments drugs rationing body of ignoring the plight of patients forced to sell their cars and remortgage their houses to pay for cancer treatments freely available in Europe."
"Hospital doctors today warned that government plans to double the involvement of the private sector in the NHS to bring down waiting lists were "flawed", would harm patients and cause the health service to crumble."
Ah, dragging out the talking points, fake quotes, and misquoted, are we? What insurance company did you hear these from? Were they perhaps from a republican funded commercial? I've seen those too and they have been proven to be full of lies. If you reread that quotes, it even sides with my point. Bringing in private industries would only harm patients. It keeps them from free cancer treatments and would destroy health services in general.
Show me where the Canadians are rallying for the US health system. Where is their legislation for our "superior" ways? Why are we going there but they are not coming here? If their system is so bad and their waiting lists are so long, you would think they would be flooding over our borders, yet they are not. The only reason Canadians come here is to get plastic surgery, which is more available here than it is there.
Again, your logic is flawed. Your "facts" are wrong.
No, trying to have both a private and public system is the problem. From my prospective, a public option would be nice. Imagine the MASS. system all over the nation. BIG PROBLEMS!
In Massachusetts, people are forced to buy private health insurance, but there is no public option. It's a mess because there is no price controls. All the insurance companies talk, share stats, and price fix together. A public option, paid for by all the people that are part of it, would be real competition for them. That is why the insurance companies are fighting it. They do not want the competition from a nonprofit.
The problem in Massachusetts is that there is a public option but there are hardly any doctors. Just like with Medicare, the providers know they are going to get left holding the bag.
What Zach Wamp hates is the fact that his sides brand of class warfare has met defeat and what gives him night sweats is the fear that we will be as heartless and souless now that we are in ascendancy as his side was.
Remember, you see in the world what you see in yourself.
He should have been our governor! BEST MAN EVER!!!
mlrowan1 1 year ago
and now he wants to be my govener
Herpkid56 1 year ago
Health care is a privilege? Funny how hateful schmucks like this run on Christian based platforms. If there really is a God I hope he hates assholes like Zach Wamp.
JamieTateJamieTate 1 year ago
having been without healthcare for almost my whole life and now turning that savings on to paying for my college classes I can honestly say I do not want healthcare, I want the governments hand out of my pocket and NO I do not get tenncare. I avoid hospitals like the plague. Now I will be the worlds healthiest FRY COOK since I am being forced to buy healthcare. Thank you all for the American dream.
vaedryn 1 year ago
I pray this idiot doesn't get governor.
clayp72 1 year ago
We need the free clinics back (Yes we had free health care clinics in the 50's)and Tenn Care could be available to all TN citizens. Instead of Tenn care recipients going to the emergency room for a cold at a cost of over $1000 visit, if they were directed to one of the many inexpensive private clinics, the cost would be under $100. Tenn Care costs would be sliced and more CITIZENS would be eligible at a major reduction of state funding requirements.
kountryvaudeville 1 year ago
This is my Congressman, Zack YOU SUCK. And for the Governor's job your running for Ya like hell. Why don;t you tell us how much blue cross paid you for your NO Vote
ki426 1 year ago
He's actually making sense if you listen to what he says. You will understand once you realize that your country is bankrupt. it all becomes clear.
n400dc 2 years ago
Health care is not a right. Health care needs to become more affordable. It is actually government interference in the health care industry which helps keep prices high and unaffordable for too many Americans.
golfballs03 2 years ago
No wonder our cars can't compete with foreign cars. In all other auto producing nations, their car makers don't have to worry about health care. They used to joke that GM was a health care company that made cars. Soon the titans of big business will know that health care costs are unsustainable and start lobbying congress to get universal health care passed. If big business wants it, big business gets it. And watch all these right wing bozos be suddenly for it.
nodonjuan 3 years ago 2
Health care is NOT a right. It is not free. It is a responsibility of the individual, not the government.
4951WEDDEL 3 years ago
Protection is NOT a right. It is not free. It is the responsibility of the individual, not the government.
If someone breaks into your house, I'm sure you'd do the right thing. There's no way a righteous man like yourself would ever stoop so low as to parasitize from your fellow Americans by calling the taxpayer-funded, SOCIALIST police.
jusforthis 2 years ago 2
Actually, no! I shoot the person myself. You are making a flawed comparison between socialized medicine and having a police force.
Countries that have socialized medicine can only sustain it by price and wage controls.
CommonSenseJoe 2 years ago
"You are making a flawed comparison between socialized medicine and having a police force."
Really? No analogy is perfect, and this is certainly no exception, but I think it'd be interesting to you explain exactly HOW it's different.
If security were available only through the free market, it'd be cheaper, more accessible and more effective, right? So why don't we do it? Why should I have to pay for the police to respond to YOUR emergencies?
thel0werFeynman 2 years ago
Actually, some communities hired their own police to patrol their neighborhoods.
There are legitimate roles that the government has to play in society. Law enforcement is one of them. The reason that America has the greatest health care in the world is the free market system. We spend MORE on health care because WE HAVE MORE than other nations. We can have laser surgery on our eyes to eliminate glasses. We can have our fat removed, breasts made larger, and even fix our wrinkles.
CommonSenseJoe 2 years ago
What company will invest a billion dollars to develop new drugs if they cannot make a profit? Socialized medicine will accomplish nothing more than rationing of care and lower quality. The best doctors will work in private clinics for rich people and we will be left with the rest.
We can lower costs by the government actually paying for the cost of medicare. We can lower costs by making health insurance mandatory for everyone. We can lower cost by limiting medical lawsuits.
CommonSenseJoe 2 years ago
"some ... hired their own police" ?
"There are legitimate roles that the government has to play in society. Law enforcement is one of them."
That's better! (next time leave out the "filler."} Okay, fine. I suppose it's your right to decree what is and what isn't a "legitimate role" of the government. Moving on.
"America has the greatest health care in the world."
Important distinction following: we have the best TECHNOLOGY, not the best SYSTEM. You're comparing apples & healthcare.
jusforthis 2 years ago
You realize "profit" is wasted resources, right? If you replaced private research funding by government funding, guess what? more RESEARCH, less CEO "BONUS-ING"
Laser eye surgery, liposuction, boob-jobs? I'm finishing a degree in biochm and want to be a cancer researcher. It makes me sick to work this hard as part of a system where people die waiting for their insurance to finance life-saving procedures, all the while some whore is having no problem smoothing her wrinkles and fixing her tits.
jusforthis 2 years ago
NO, profit is NOT waste. Profit is a GOOD THING. You have allowed your mind to be corrupted by your liberal education.
My point is that when liberals toss around numbers that they are not being honest. For example, more than half of the "uninsured" simply choose not to buy health insurance when they can afford it. They buy nicer mobile phones and flat screens, and gamble that they won't get sick. Tell me, why should I provide their healthcare, when I am already paying for my own?
CommonSenseJoe 2 years ago
We have the best health care. People from around the world come here have their surgeries and treatments done. Please don't lecture me on "filler". You brought up the role of the police. I simply pointed out that in some communities the residents "hire" their own.
I am not decreeing anything. I am looking at the facts and say that socialized medicine is BAD for our country. I don't want the government determining my healthcare.
CommonSenseJoe 2 years ago
Sorry Joe, but it just ain't so.
I'm one of those "liberals who choose not to have health insurance" as call us. I don't have health insurance because I can't afford it. I don't make enough money to pay my rent, car insurance,and food bill as it is. I haven't been to a doctor in a few years because I can't afford it.
The last time I got sick, I didn't go to a doctor. I went to work and then to the store. I infected people instead of seeing a doctor. Good thing my flu wasn't the deadly kind.
Tealya 2 years ago
Then you need to get a better job. Do you have car insurance? Why? Take a chance and drive without it.
CommonSenseJoe 2 years ago
That would be illegal. If I were caught, I would loose my car, my license (which would likely result in the loss of my job), and I would be heavily fined. If I were caught a second time without insurance, I would go to jail. In my state, it is illegal not to have car insurance. The same is not true for health insurance. If it were, I probably still wouldn't have it since I am more likely to meet a cop than a doctor.
I would love a better job. Shame there aren't any right now.
Tealya 2 years ago
Well, you better prepare yourself because President Obama's plan will have a mandate that EVERYONE have health insurance.
You are willing to take the risk of not having health insurance, but not with the car insurance.
CommonSenseJoe 2 years ago
His plan will also be cheep enough to afford so it's easier to mandate.
As stated, I am more likely to be caught by a cop than a doctor. Because of costs, I have a choice between a car or health, but not the choice of both. I need a car to get to work. I need to work to pay my bills. If I don't have a car, I can't pay my bills. All the health insurance in the world wont help me if I can't pay for it because I lost my car. I don't like taking the risk, but I really don't have much of a choice.
Tealya 2 years ago
It's nice that you have a choice, but like 47 million other people, I don't. I can't get insurance. I can't afford it. I have "preexisting" conditions. The cheapest I can get insurance is about $500 a month and it will not cover medications, doctor visits, treatments, or anything else I would need. What would be the point in having that?
So long as insurance is a for profit industry, lots of us will be denied care in name of making a buck.
Tealya 2 years ago
The 47 million people without health insurance are not like you. Most of them could afford it if they wanted to. They just don't want to.
My coverage is not the best, but it covers the major medical expenses if I am hospitalized.
CommonSenseJoe 2 years ago
Or at least you hope it does. Until it happens, you wont know for sure.
Yes, they are like me actually. 47 million don't have health insurance because they can't afford it. That is all that is counted in that 47 million figure. If you include people who "don't want it," you are talking about close to 50 million people who don't have insurance at all. Another 100 million report that their insurance only covers disastrous injuries but not preventative care.
Tealya 2 years ago
150 million people is a real health care crisis, especially when a deadly disease does hit.
There is no reason for a government plan to be more expensive. Unlike insurance companies, it will not be for profit. There will be no one making money off you. Thus, they will not need to charge large amounts to pay all the people working to deny you care and still make several million for themselves. This will drive costs down all across the board, including in the private sector. All will benefit.
Tealya 2 years ago
Here is what will happen. The public plan will be very inexpensive and cover nearly everything. Most people will drop their coverage and jump in the plan. Businesses will stop offering health insurance as a benefit forcing their employees to take the government plan or buy private insurance.
This will not force insurance companies to charge less, but simply stop offering medical insurance at all. No profit, no market.
The government plan will eventually become a single payer system.
CommonSenseJoe 2 years ago
Single payer works for me. It works in every other country and does it for less. Besides, if the insurance companies can't compete, they should be driven out of business. That's the capitalist model.
As for business, they will be better off for it. With the government covering health care costs, they will be able to make more money, just like they do in all those other countries. There is a reason industry has left this country and health care costs are part of that reason.
Tealya 2 years ago
They are competing against the government that they fund with their taxes. They compete against a plan that is paid for by the taxpayers.
They do it for less because they have price controls. If we have their system, then there will be no money for R&D. Healthcare will suffer.
Do you know why healthcare costs have risen? It is called Medicare and Medicaid. The government only pay 80% of what they approve. Who makes up that 20-30%?
CommonSenseJoe 2 years ago
No, actually the figure includes those who could afford it but simply don't.
My plan does not include preventative care. I pay for that myself.
CommonSenseJoe 2 years ago
Then maybe you should tell that to Pew and Gallop, the leading independent pollsters in the US. They, the paid experts who have been doing unbiased polls for years, say that 47 million can't afford it. I find that I believe professional pollsters over republicans with insurance company talking points, personally. Republicans have a stake in lying to us. Pew and Gallop wont gain anything from this either way so I find it hard to believe they would lie.
Tealya 2 years ago
I can afford it and I don't make much money. I have a home and two cars. I don't have HD flat screens or the latest mobile phone. I do have medical insurance.
CommonSenseJoe 2 years ago
Good for you. 47 million of us are not that well off. This may comes as a shock to you, but there are poor people in this country, and they can't afford health insurance. Just because you can does not mean everyone else can. Step out of your bubble and take a look around. You may be shocked to find that people freeze to death on the streets, children starve in their homes, and people die from completely preventable diseases. We can stop the last one very easily.
Tealya 2 years ago
I am not in a bubble. I work with "poor" people. I know people who choose not to pay for medical insurance because they want other stuff instead. I also don't put much faith in polls. Numbers can be manipulated to show whatever you want them to show.
I am not shock that people freeze to death, children strave, and some die from preventable diseases. These doe not happen because we do not do enough. In fact, it is because we do so much for people.
CommonSenseJoe 2 years ago
Obviously you don't. You are so blind to reality, you can't see what is going on in this country. 78% of people want a public option. Try asking yourself why so many want the same thing.
Why would they manipulate the numbers? Pew and Gallop have nothing to gain or lose no matter what the outcome. Now you're just deliberately ignoring facts.
We give them so much food they starve to death? Sorry, but that's not how it works. You don't die from too much care, just a lack of it.
Tealya 2 years ago
People have been deceived into thinking that they are going to get something for nothing. Why would anybody manipulate the numbers? To convince people that we need something we don't need. How do Pew and Gallop know what a person can or cannot afford? Do they actually look at the person's finances? I do! I counsel people financially all the time. They have cable, cellphones, high speed internet, and new cars, but no health insurance. Most of them are young and healthy.
CommonSenseJoe 2 years ago
We know it will cost money. We are willing to pay more taxes to support it. That is how the government makes money.
Pew and Gallop call and ask. The ask questions like "how old are you?" and "do you have health insurance?" and "if not, why not?" Those are not biased questions. There is no gain in lying about answers.
The people you are counseling are not the poor. They are the lower middle class who can afford your services. Your sample is skewed towards a particular group, not everyone.
Tealya 2 years ago
You know as well as I do that people afford what they want to afford.
I counsel people for free.
CommonSenseJoe 2 years ago
No, people afford what they can afford. For example, I want to afford a house, but I sure as hell can't. Even with houses being the lowest they will likely ever be in my lifetime, I would not be able to make the monthly payments. I want to, but no matter how hard I try to stretch my dollars, I can't. It is not possible.
47 million people in this country live like I do: paycheck to paycheck. Health insurance is out of their reach because of price, not choice.
Tealya 2 years ago
You hope!
CommonSenseJoe 2 years ago
Actually, after looking at health care costs in all the other industrialized countries (who somehow manage to do it for less while giving better care to their people), I know that a public option will be affordable.
If you like private insurance, keep it. No one will force you to give it up. In fact, a public option will drive your costs down because it will be more competition, which all those economists say bring down costs. You will benefit from a public plan, just as I will.
Tealya 2 years ago
They manage to provide care because they have price controls. They ration care and control costs. What happens when drug companies no longer can make a profit? Where will they get the billion dollars it takes to develop and market a new drug? There is no competing with the government. Does anyone compete with Medicare?
CommonSenseJoe 2 years ago
How would price controls be bad? Keeping the price affordable is good.
Rationed care is better than no care or our current system of auctioned care.
Switzerland and Germany lead the world in new drug development, yet they are nonprofit. Profit is not a motive for drug development. Never has been. Never will be.
Yes, private insurance competes with medicare, or so they claim. They say medicare is so awful, everyone wants off. Funny how the old are not fleeing to private insurance.
Tealya 2 years ago
Price controls are bad because they do not allow for the development of new drugs.
No, rationed care is NOT better. Now we have hospitals and doctors competing. If most of them leave the professional or become private clinics.
Where do Switzerland and Germany sell their new drugs? The USA! If we go socialized, there will be no money for R&D anywhere.
No, there is no competitor to Medicare. There are those compete to provide supplemental insurance. There is no private insurance.
CommonSenseJoe 2 years ago
Germany and Switzerland are selling to everyone except the US, actually. Most of their drugs are not allowed in the US, along with generic drugs, because the drug companies don't want the competition.
How in the world is rationed worse than not having it at all? How is rationed worse than having your share taken and given to someone that can pay more for it?
Europe is not having a doctor/nurse shortage like the US is. They don't have a problem recruiting talented doctors like we do.
Tealya 2 years ago
Actually, I think you are wrong. They sell big time in this country because they can make the profit here.
Rationed care means you cannot get the surgery you need when you need it.
Well, I disagree. Their socialized system is not sustainable. They limit the pay of doctors and nurses.
CommonSenseJoe 2 years ago
Then why do they complain about not being allowed to sell in this country?
If care is rationed in Canada, then why do they live longer, have a lower infant mortality rate, get needed surgeries quicker, and report greater satisfaction with their care?
Clearly, limited pay has not stopped doctors or nurses from becoming doctors/nurses. They have more doctors available and the government helps cover the costs of medical school. Your examples don't line up with reality.
Tealya 2 years ago
"Britain's top cancer consultants have accused the governments drugs rationing body of ignoring the plight of patients forced to sell their cars and remortgage their houses to pay for cancer treatments freely available in Europe."
"Hospital doctors today warned that government plans to double the involvement of the private sector in the NHS to bring down waiting lists were "flawed", would harm patients and cause the health service to crumble."
CommonSenseJoe 2 years ago
"Chief Justice Beverly McLachlin of the Supreme Court of Canada says it best: access to a waiting list is not access to health care.
CommonSenseJoe 2 years ago
Ah, dragging out the talking points, fake quotes, and misquoted, are we? What insurance company did you hear these from? Were they perhaps from a republican funded commercial? I've seen those too and they have been proven to be full of lies. If you reread that quotes, it even sides with my point. Bringing in private industries would only harm patients. It keeps them from free cancer treatments and would destroy health services in general.
Tealya 2 years ago
Show me where the Canadians are rallying for the US health system. Where is their legislation for our "superior" ways? Why are we going there but they are not coming here? If their system is so bad and their waiting lists are so long, you would think they would be flooding over our borders, yet they are not. The only reason Canadians come here is to get plastic surgery, which is more available here than it is there.
Again, your logic is flawed. Your "facts" are wrong.
Tealya 2 years ago
No, trying to have both a private and public system is the problem. From my prospective, a public option would be nice. Imagine the MASS. system all over the nation. BIG PROBLEMS!
CommonSenseJoe 2 years ago
In Massachusetts, people are forced to buy private health insurance, but there is no public option. It's a mess because there is no price controls. All the insurance companies talk, share stats, and price fix together. A public option, paid for by all the people that are part of it, would be real competition for them. That is why the insurance companies are fighting it. They do not want the competition from a nonprofit.
Tealya 2 years ago
The problem in Massachusetts is that there is a public option but there are hardly any doctors. Just like with Medicare, the providers know they are going to get left holding the bag.
CommonSenseJoe 2 years ago
oh shit this guy is so stupid
joes805 3 years ago
What Zach Wamp hates is the fact that his sides brand of class warfare has met defeat and what gives him night sweats is the fear that we will be as heartless and souless now that we are in ascendancy as his side was.
Remember, you see in the world what you see in yourself.
Plutonwolf 3 years ago
What a freakin' idiot!
Lushione 3 years ago 2