First of all, healthcare is not a right. Secondly, prominent democrats also believed there were WMDs in Iraq; it's not just a Bush phenomenon. reasons-for-war-with-iraq.info And finally, Obama's own socialized medicine program CUTS $400 billion from medicare just to bring the tab under one trillion dollars. Who's pushing the elderly over the cliff in their wheelchairs, again?
does any body notice that theres not one black person there? these people are all racist rich republicans who are protesting against a black president! they should really be mad at bush! bush went into iraq spent trillions of dollars and there was no weapons of mass destruction. hes the one who put us into this economic depression. no wants to admit it because there blinded by there partys wants. and dont say that im saying this because im a dem when im not, im really an independent who lisons
to the people. sometimes the people are wrong but most the time there right. oh and do you want to know who is saying this?! a 12 year old boy who watches the news every day and even runs his on website on politics.
Why is it that every democrat I try to reason with simply doesn't understand the economics behind a government run healthcare system? Is it the fact that most are to busy to be bothered with reading the facts or apply logic to why we don't already have government run healthcare right now? There's a damn good reason, it doesn't work. It's a nice idea to think that everything can be "free" and accessible to everyone, but it doesn't work like that. Please, I plead with you all to research.
Lets get some facts, 45,000 people die a year because of no health insurance. Instead you let big banks payoff the Bush Administration, to bail banks out. Its clear to me whod been paid, then try to turn this country into a Nazi-Nation. NO CORPORATION/ STOCK FIRM should be in charged of someones LIFE. CHANGED NOW, HEALTHCARE NOW
@genereeper The Nazis were socialists and made Germany socialistic, they even tried to put in place a socialized healthcare system like we're trying to do now. It didn't work. Then just like every other nation that becomes slaves to their government they suffered for it. The Russians, the Chinese, and the Cubans all are suffering the same fate over this "wonderful" state controlled healthcare system. Besides the US government does not have a legal right to distribute healthcare anyways.
if the US cant take care of it's own, then it is on its way to a lower standard of living except for the wealthy , How many of those protesting against health care have insurance? if none would be bankrupt if they fell down and broke their arm and need a ambulance ride, the rich are using the right wing middle class to get their work done. Pretty sad, basic emergency medicine should be taken care of . if you need anything other than that you can pay for it, a mixed system.
Do you think that we want people to go uninsured or something? We want the best care for everyone but that's not government run healthcare. I had three grandparents die because of the mediocre healthcare system in Canada so don't tell me that the government run healthcare is an acceptable option, it isn't. We don't even have the money to spend on a public option if we wanted to anyways. A public healthcare system is simply outdated and inefficient in comparison to our current system.
Bunk!! If you've got three grandparents dead because of the excellent care in Canada, then I'm Ross Perot. This is just the sort of unsupported and scandalous smear tactic that is trotted out by demagogues who have no facts on their side. Your last line is typical. The US ranks 39th in health care because of higher infant mortality, lower life expectancy, and higher morbidity (seriously illness). Yet we spend DOUBLE what the British do as a percentage of our GDP. Take your reality pills.
These tea-bagging protesters take their kids to these events to teach them how to hate and disrespect the President. Even though I am not a fan of former President W. Bush, I never took my kids to protest the war. These a-holes are just plain unpatriotic. They might as well take their children to a KKK rally! Children should be taken to sporting events, and fun activities...not some fake hate mongering protest. The GOP are just a bunch of fear mongers with no solutions.
9/12: Thousands of gullible, fearful, brain-dead rednecks, marching on Washington to speak Glenn Beck's mind. We in the reality-based community will get some great entertainment
Once again....this looks more like a social club for "angry old white people" and less like a protest. If they gathered in a circle and started burning their social security checks, and medicade cards I might buy into it......but lets be real, its not gunna happen. Its kinda funny that the age group that is screaming the loudest, is the age group that doesn't really have to worry about getting medical care.
Healthcare needs reform. The government is not the answer. Only a lazy man looks to the government for answers. Get a grass roots movement started that targets the insurance companies. Some of us don't want to live in a socialist republic. Those of you who do, canada is just a few hours north.
So let me get this. You are ex military and your wife currently serves. So you get free health care. However, you do not want to give health care to those whose employers are not as giving as the US armed forces. And to support you point of view, all you can do is shout and call names at citizens who are trying to have a rational debate on the subject. You must be joking.
Free? Let's see you deploy to Iraq, or Afghanistan, for a year. Then tell me how free it is. Actually, the only name calling has been the liberals around here calling me, and like -minded, uneducated fools.
Lord Obama master of the universe a racist ,liar, corrupt, incompitent but a great con man. Yes the can fix healthcare just like he fixed unemployement. He has created more debt than all the other presidents in history combined. Yes just the man to do the job an idiotic dictator. I hope all the older white people will enjoy their Hcare now because they wont under Obama. The death panel was already set up under the pork bill. 15 members and Rom Emanuel's brother is one of them.
left-wing right wing....that doesnt matter the fact is this is America and the heath care reform should not be passed. Its violates the Constitution and the fact that the congress and the senet seat holders are not hearing the people.
I think its really SCARY that there is commys and socilaist in this great nation of the free
think about this one the bail out dropped the value of the doller. witch 80 of americans did want. but the value of the doller is still greater than the EURO right so that is why its cheeper for americans to go to canada and over seas and get cheap heath care.
y would you want heath care payed by your dollers when you pay for a nother with your taxes...obama said it will take 7 years to be fased in...yea it will take before people think its stupid to pay for 2 heath care porgrams and we are just like canaduuu or the commys and the socialist on the other side of the world....
1.open up the borders to let the heath providers compete with them selves.
2.cheaper schooling to be a dr. you dont know if you really need a new kedney or if the dr is trying to pay off his school lones.3.more dr,s per people....if you are up more that 24 hrs you are constiters a drunk dirver y is that any differnt for a dr performing sergery?
4.mandatory check ups its cheaper for preventive medican rather than the ER for a hear atack...you didnt get the check up you lose you heath care......
there is no need for the med care reform just fix the exsisting medical care as it is. obama wants to expand competition on to drive down prices so why dont they just open up the state borders for all heath care providers to compete among them selves there is curently over 1300 heath care porviders out there.....how the hell will government compete with all of them?....they will be on a national level....sounds pritty bad to me
I know the Constitution very well. At least I have the respect to capitalize it in a sentence. You are a traitor to all of those who have died to defend our Constitution.
Interesting. Especially considering I'm a disabled vet, and my wife is currently deployed to Iraq. Might wanna educate yourself a bit, before you make a bigger fool of yourself.
the only disgrace I see around here is you liberals, screaming about "uneducated" rednecks. Elitism at it's best. Tell me, when's the last time you did something for America, rather than look to the government for a handout? When's the last time you strapped on a pack, an M16, and put yourself in harm's way for your fellow american?
ECO on an A-6 Prowler was the last time I put my self in harms way. I am not liberal, but I am educated. Elitism is term the stupid use to excuse their laziness. I agree this health care plan is flawed. However, I am disgusted at you people acting like a nazi mob. This kind of mob mentality will destroy us. In fact Thomas Jefferson himself was noted how mob rule helped destroy.
Thomas Jefferson, and many other founding fathers, also warned of the federal government becoming tyrannical, and the need for rebellion if it did. Say what you want about elitism, I have one degree, almost two. I recognize someone hiding their superior attitude behind their education. Otherwise you wouldn't be talking about the "uneducated"masses. Good effort, but you missed.
I believe people view you as uneducated not because of your stance on health care. They call you uneducated because you are not able to have a rational discussion on it. All you do is throw around insults and straw man arguments. Blah Blah Elitism... BLah Blah handouts... Why not try a real debate. Is health care in the US broken or not? Should the Feds try to regulate health care, is so why? Or you can be Taliban Mullah and shout at everyone who is trying to help us become a stronger nation
A stronger nation? Thru what, giving people something they should earn. I was raised that if you didn't work, you didn't eat. People looking to the government feedin trouth deserve nothing. I've made my way, with help of friends and family. I look to the government for nothing. Self reliance, you should try it sometime, rather than riding on the backs of your fellow americans.
The worst part about fools like gamble71 is that they rely on "the eliltiest" every day. It is the "liberal" states that provide the science and technology to keep this fool alive. He talks about his time in iraq. Who do you thin kept him safe! It was the those evil smart guys that gave him the weapons, the logistics, the medical care. He is a fool that would not survive one day with all the great things of modern life.
It's the uneducated vs the educated. The uneducated blindly favor insurance company profit and control to say when they die. The educated understand the insurance companies need to be reigned in. Freedom first would be freedom from the insurance companies and their soaring costs. This was obviously sponsored by corporate greed, I saw Bob that works down at blue cross blue shield chanting there.
I'd agree with you the insurance companies have to be reigned in, but I don't think putting 300 million Americans on a mandatory insurance plan when we are $12 trillion in debt makes any "common sense" whatsover.
Especially with what the goverment has done with medicare, medicaid and social security.
I have one college degree, working on the 2nd. Am I educated to know that socialized health care is not the answer? It's intellectual snobs, like yourself, trying to push your agenda on us, for our own good, that we object to. The insurance companies need reined in, but Obami Care is not the answer. If you like it, move to canada, and leave America the way it is.
kinda like you empty headed liberals? I want you to name one thing society relies on liberals for. Police/military/firefighters aren't among, so why do we need you? Socialism.... just another excuse for losers who can't cut it on their own to ride the backs of us, who can.
No, just someone who's lived in countries with socialized health care. I've seen what it does first hand. If you'll study, you'll see hawaii tried it, and had to drop it. I also don't go around calling people "uneducated" to make myself feel superior to them.
support this. I want you to show me one, just one, successful government program. I also want you to show me why the government should continue to give handouts to people unwilling to earn their own way.
Freeway system, Social Security, USPS, ARMY/NAVY/AIR Force, the FAA, FDA, SEC, EPA, US Forest service, Coast Guard. etc etc. Yes every system is not perfect, however based on your logic the US would be better without any of these. Please tell me how the US would be better served with out the FAA?
HAHA you are assuming that Gamble71 understands would Air Travel is. Those them there are the flying devil. I bet he thinks the FAA is using "chem trails" to control us all.
Once again you are unable to have a real debate. Thank God for the Public Education system or your 9 year old would be working in a factory instead of being able to make a better coherent arguement then her 37 year old father. Also thank god that the govt will help her stay healthy if her father ever was unable to give her medical care.
Actually, we're a very self reliant family. We will not rely on the government for health care. If something were to happen to me, the wife would make sure of that. Our hands are for working, not for sticking out to the government to fill.
I agree that the government should not give free hand outs. Welfare states are doomed for failure. I also agree that the system that congress is pushing is flawed. However none of this changes the fact that health care in this nation is ruled by insurance companies. My complaint with this "protesters" and "mobs" acting like third world nation thugs and juntas. This is the kind of garbage that happens in muslim nations. I assumed as a civilized nation we would not resort to the grovel.
This "grovel" as you call it, is what formed this nation. Everyone reads a history book, and it's nice and clean. What they forget, is this country was founded on a lot of bloodshed, most of it by poor, uneducated farmers. We beat the world's biggest superpower at the time, and became the world's only superpower. All without socialized healthcare. Reform? Yes. Obamicare? No. Handouts are never the answer, as people will never give them up.
I once again am shocked at your disrespect for our Nation. I would not dare to call the Thomas Jefferson, Adams, Franklin, Paine etc "grovel" As I noted before Thomas Jefferson stated that "mob rule" has the power to destroy democracy and freedom. We are a superpower not because of the "grovel" but be cause of the elite as you call them. Now, do you agree that a healthy nation makes for a strong nation?
Nice try spin doctor. While Jefferson and the other founding fathers led the way. It was the common man bleeding on the ground that got us where we are. As I've previously stated, Jefferson warned of the federal government becoming tyrannical, and the need for constant revolution. And, I'll continue to ask you to show me where in the Constitution, free healthcare is provided for. Also, as I already stated, we became a superpower without it. Guess hard work pays off, rather than handouts.
"As revolutionary instruments (when nothing but revolution will cure the evils of the State) [secret societies] are necessary and indispensable, and the right to use them is inalienable by the people." --Thomas Jefferson to William Duane, 1803. FE 8:256
Acutally, it's your ignorance of the Constitution, and why our founding fathers formed this nation this is disguisting. Then, the fact, that you use that ignorance as a shield for your laziness and ineptness is even more disturbing. You've yet to show me where the Constitution provides for this, and you're not going to.
Oh, and it was you who called it grovel. You do realize that, back then, it was the common man complaining about England, that led to the revolution. I'm sure their gatherings were much like the one above, that you're making fun of. Your lack of understanding of our beginning is truly disturbing. Guess it's easy to do when you're livin easy on government handouts though.
I also notice, you have yet to address my question of how doctors should feel on this? After 8-12yrs of college, are they supposed to be happy to step into a government job? Do you think they're going to try to excel? What is the incentive for someone to become a doctor, when now the government will decided your pay? If healthcare is your right, does that make them your servant? Also, go figure out the difference between your rights and your luxuries.
sigh You are a fool. I even tried to give you a chance to redeem yourself, You have missed the point. I have stated that I agree that the system congress wants is flawed. If you go back and read what I wrote you will find that I am disgusted by YOU and your support of these mindless mobs.
typical liberal tactic, don't address the issue, attack the person. You haven't supported your arguement with a single fact. Don't worry though, those of us with a work ethic will continue to work, so you can continue to feed at the government trough. I'll make sure you and your family are taken care of, since you're incapable, or too lazy, to do it yourself.
If you'd read the constitution, you'd see that military, and infastructure is part of the government's roles. Plus social security is failing, the post office is the epitomy of failure, and the military succeeds despite the government. I can show you the government's role spelled out in the Constitution. Free health care isn't on there. As a certified aircraft mechanic, I can tell ya the FAA is far from a shining example of effectiveness.
The thought of you fixing aircraft is disturbing. Let me ask you this. Do you know why employers are required by law to give health insurance? And as a follow up, do you agree with the laws that require employers to give health insurance.
The law requiring health care was begun with unions, not the government. Do I agree with the law? Not really. It's a good idea, but if you didn't prepare yourself for a job that would provide you with health care, why is it the employeers responsibility? I went to the same public school system you did, I'm not asking for a handout. Why are you?
Do you not agree that we are a stronger nations if our citizens are healthy? We give people health care not because we are nice, but because we have too. How could we run a first world economy if we have people dying in the streets of TB? We quickly forget that health care is the number one factor in our jump in life span rates from before the industrial revolution. A healthy nation makes for a strong nation.
Far from rich there junior. Vet of 9yrs army, married to an active duty soldier. I just know what it is to earn something, vs having it handed to you. Apparently you're one of the former. Great knowing people out there are working hard to take care of you, since you are apparently incapable of doing it yourself.
The greatest Socialist gem that the world has ever seen is the $786 BILLION per year U.S. Department of Defense.
The DoD protects everyone within the United States, including 20 Million illegal immigrants, as well as millions of people in multiple foreign nations who pay NONE of its cost.
We spend more on "defense" than the rest of the world COMBINED.
That allows other wealthy countries to provide healthcare for their citizens.
actually, you're the one with nothing. Well, except what has been provided to you by hard working americans. You ever done anything to make your community better, or do you just leach off everything you can? I already know you don't have the cajones for the military. You're a sad, selfish little man. I'd pity you, but I save that for people worthy of it.
military is covered under the constitution. Show me where healthcare is, til then your arguement is selfish and self centered. Which is about what I expected.
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
Might wanna looka at that word defense. I can tell you've never done anything to better your community by your response.
The United States Constitution contains two references to "the General Welfare", one occurring in the Preamble and the other in the Taxing and Spending Clause. However, it is only the latter that is referred to as the "General Welfare Clause" of this document. Unlike most General Welfare clauses, however, the clause in the U.S. Constitution has been interpreted as a limitation on the power of the United States Congress to use its powers of taxing and spending.
One of my friends lives in Canada and she just loves her National Healthcare plan, she often states that she would never want the American corporations running her healthcare.
And I'm sure your "friend" is one of the many who would rather just have everything handed to her instead of having to work for anything, just as you seem to be. :)
You work hard and pay your taxes - so then what's so hard about getting your own health care?
Unless you'd rather pay MORE taxes to pay for that health care. Care you might not even get - because if you cost too much to care for, the government will not hesitate to offer you absolutely nothing (except medicated suicide.)
If only people would leave the left-wing lies behind as well.
Both parties have their faults. But this is my view and I'm sticking to it. I think that this "discussion" is getting both of us nowhere - so I'll leave you alone now.
MAN THIS IS GREAT. i PERSONALY THOUGHT THAT THE FIRST NON WHITE PRESIDENT WOULD CHANGE EVERYTHING FOR EQUALITY AND FAIRNESS, FREE HEALTH CARE FOR ALL ECT BUT TO MY SURPRICE AND ITS ACTUALY SAD TO FIND OUT HES A SELL OUT . IN FAIRNES ITS TRUE ABOUT A PRESIDENT NOT BEING THERE TO CHANGE THINGS BUT TO RUN THINGS. LIKE THE AGENDA OF THE ONES CONTROLING BOTH THE REPUBLICANS AND THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY.
wow...you continue 2 fail in your comebacks. U tell me 2 "grow up" yet u make immature comments....very sad, I bet ur counter part is an "unhappymanmarried" hahaha
I'm afraid those people really arnt aware of the whole truth yet. But its a good start.
I just hope its not too late.
Do you think they know there are over 800
concentration camps,chemtrails poisoning us?
Fluoride in our water poisoning us? GMO foods, its grown everywhere especially in Indiana. Do they know who's really in charge? And what their plan is for us?
THE HIDDEN WAR: The war that the criminal government NEVER wants you to fight or even know about is: "Collectivism vs. Individualism".
They want you fight the false left-right paradigm battle that is staged and manufactured by the leadership of the two corrupt political parties that are owned and controlled by the global ruling elite that own big banking, Big oil, big media, big pharma, and The Military Industrial Complex.
Divide and control is the goal of our treasonous government.
Finally, the Sheeple are waking-up to what we patriots have been saying for many years. WE ARE AT WAR with the criminal government and the ruling global elite banksters! Finally, they are realizing that the Pentagon controlled mass media is lying about the "Staged" money melt-down and we MUST end the Fed and the criminal IRS!
Scream truth to corrupt, treasonous power and DEATH to World Government!
Obama, Bush, Clinton are ALL working to destroy freedom, liberty to create Collectivism!
Woohoo.. I am glad the American people are finally getting out from in front of the TV and standing up against the government. We should have been doing this the last 20 years or more. It's time to kick out the ratbags in congress and put in some public servants instead of corporate funded thugs like we have now.
First of all, healthcare is not a right. Secondly, prominent democrats also believed there were WMDs in Iraq; it's not just a Bush phenomenon. reasons-for-war-with-iraq.info And finally, Obama's own socialized medicine program CUTS $400 billion from medicare just to bring the tab under one trillion dollars. Who's pushing the elderly over the cliff in their wheelchairs, again?
jmn120176 8 months ago
does any body notice that theres not one black person there? these people are all racist rich republicans who are protesting against a black president! they should really be mad at bush! bush went into iraq spent trillions of dollars and there was no weapons of mass destruction. hes the one who put us into this economic depression. no wants to admit it because there blinded by there partys wants. and dont say that im saying this because im a dem when im not, im really an independent who lisons
theinonpolitics 10 months ago
to the people. sometimes the people are wrong but most the time there right. oh and do you want to know who is saying this?! a 12 year old boy who watches the news every day and even runs his on website on politics.
theinonpolitics 10 months ago
Sounds like they don't want anybody else to get insurance, and they call them selfs American
genereeper 1 year ago
Why is it that every democrat I try to reason with simply doesn't understand the economics behind a government run healthcare system? Is it the fact that most are to busy to be bothered with reading the facts or apply logic to why we don't already have government run healthcare right now? There's a damn good reason, it doesn't work. It's a nice idea to think that everything can be "free" and accessible to everyone, but it doesn't work like that. Please, I plead with you all to research.
N5II 1 year ago
Lets get some facts, 45,000 people die a year because of no health insurance. Instead you let big banks payoff the Bush Administration, to bail banks out. Its clear to me whod been paid, then try to turn this country into a Nazi-Nation. NO CORPORATION/ STOCK FIRM should be in charged of someones LIFE. CHANGED NOW, HEALTHCARE NOW
genereeper 1 year ago
@genereeper The Nazis were socialists and made Germany socialistic, they even tried to put in place a socialized healthcare system like we're trying to do now. It didn't work. Then just like every other nation that becomes slaves to their government they suffered for it. The Russians, the Chinese, and the Cubans all are suffering the same fate over this "wonderful" state controlled healthcare system. Besides the US government does not have a legal right to distribute healthcare anyways.
N5II 1 year ago
if the US cant take care of it's own, then it is on its way to a lower standard of living except for the wealthy , How many of those protesting against health care have insurance? if none would be bankrupt if they fell down and broke their arm and need a ambulance ride, the rich are using the right wing middle class to get their work done. Pretty sad, basic emergency medicine should be taken care of . if you need anything other than that you can pay for it, a mixed system.
zombietooth 2 years ago
Do you think that we want people to go uninsured or something? We want the best care for everyone but that's not government run healthcare. I had three grandparents die because of the mediocre healthcare system in Canada so don't tell me that the government run healthcare is an acceptable option, it isn't. We don't even have the money to spend on a public option if we wanted to anyways. A public healthcare system is simply outdated and inefficient in comparison to our current system.
N5II 2 years ago
Bunk!! If you've got three grandparents dead because of the excellent care in Canada, then I'm Ross Perot. This is just the sort of unsupported and scandalous smear tactic that is trotted out by demagogues who have no facts on their side. Your last line is typical. The US ranks 39th in health care because of higher infant mortality, lower life expectancy, and higher morbidity (seriously illness). Yet we spend DOUBLE what the British do as a percentage of our GDP. Take your reality pills.
ADollarSaved 2 years ago
@N5II you're a bit stupid to believe that. DO THE RESEACH.
genereeper 1 year ago
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These tea-bagging protesters take their kids to these events to teach them how to hate and disrespect the President. Even though I am not a fan of former President W. Bush, I never took my kids to protest the war. These a-holes are just plain unpatriotic. They might as well take their children to a KKK rally! Children should be taken to sporting events, and fun activities...not some fake hate mongering protest. The GOP are just a bunch of fear mongers with no solutions.
romstarpow 2 years ago
9/12: Thousands of gullible, fearful, brain-dead rednecks, marching on Washington to speak Glenn Beck's mind. We in the reality-based community will get some great entertainment
ProgressiveAction10 2 years ago
im glad to see people fighting for there rights!!! thanks for posting this!
fillspills 2 years ago
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I actually like THIS video of a townhall WAY better!!!! LMAO
watch?v=6kfIBx_bfu8
and check the STUPIDLY information these people are spitting out.
Hierarchies, Socialism, Tax hikes, Rev Wright, illegals, communes,
And..it would help if they knew the Constitution and the difference between FEDERAL GOV and State Gov duties.
AStarSpangledGirl 2 years ago
Once again....this looks more like a social club for "angry old white people" and less like a protest. If they gathered in a circle and started burning their social security checks, and medicade cards I might buy into it......but lets be real, its not gunna happen. Its kinda funny that the age group that is screaming the loudest, is the age group that doesn't really have to worry about getting medical care.
clubindiana4 2 years ago
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I actually like THIS video of a townhall WAY better!!!! LMAO
watch?v=6kfIBx_bfu8
and check the STUPIDLY information these people are spitting out.
Hierarchies, Socialism, Tax hikes, Rev Wright, illegals, communes,
And..it would help if they knew the Constitution and the difference between FEDERAL GOV and State Gov duties.
AStarSpangledGirl 2 years ago
What is freedom?
mwolfson86 2 years ago
Healthcare needs reform.
Government can solve the problem by introducing competition where there is none.
bubba5000 2 years ago
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bubba5000 2 years ago
Healthcare needs reform. The government is not the answer. Only a lazy man looks to the government for answers. Get a grass roots movement started that targets the insurance companies. Some of us don't want to live in a socialist republic. Those of you who do, canada is just a few hours north.
gamble71 2 years ago 2
Ah, I hurt Gabriel's feelings. LOL.... Officers, easy targets.
gamble71 2 years ago
Atleast I've got solid healthcare. Me and my family have their own doctors and protection.
And I'm only 12, so.... All I have to say is, Give the people what they want, and DONT FUCK IT UP.
NOZblast2 2 years ago
don't give the people anything. If you don't earn it, you don't get to have it. Simple. Hand-outs stop now.
gamble71 2 years ago
So let me get this. You are ex military and your wife currently serves. So you get free health care. However, you do not want to give health care to those whose employers are not as giving as the US armed forces. And to support you point of view, all you can do is shout and call names at citizens who are trying to have a rational debate on the subject. You must be joking.
MrBiscaglia 2 years ago
Free? Let's see you deploy to Iraq, or Afghanistan, for a year. Then tell me how free it is. Actually, the only name calling has been the liberals around here calling me, and like -minded, uneducated fools.
gamble71 2 years ago
If you are a vet, that makes your disgrace to our Nation even more disgusting.
GabrielGrewal 2 years ago
Lord Obama master of the universe a racist ,liar, corrupt, incompitent but a great con man. Yes the can fix healthcare just like he fixed unemployement. He has created more debt than all the other presidents in history combined. Yes just the man to do the job an idiotic dictator. I hope all the older white people will enjoy their Hcare now because they wont under Obama. The death panel was already set up under the pork bill. 15 members and Rom Emanuel's brother is one of them.
kingcharliemain 2 years ago
left-wing right wing....that doesnt matter the fact is this is America and the heath care reform should not be passed. Its violates the Constitution and the fact that the congress and the senet seat holders are not hearing the people.
I think its really SCARY that there is commys and socilaist in this great nation of the free
ThePoliticalhater 2 years ago
think about this one the bail out dropped the value of the doller. witch 80 of americans did want. but the value of the doller is still greater than the EURO right so that is why its cheeper for americans to go to canada and over seas and get cheap heath care.
ThePoliticalhater 2 years ago
y would you want heath care payed by your dollers when you pay for a nother with your taxes...obama said it will take 7 years to be fased in...yea it will take before people think its stupid to pay for 2 heath care porgrams and we are just like canaduuu or the commys and the socialist on the other side of the world....
ThePoliticalhater 2 years ago
are you on medication or drunk or something? because you do not make any sense.
jtownsend1031 2 years ago
1.open up the borders to let the heath providers compete with them selves.
2.cheaper schooling to be a dr. you dont know if you really need a new kedney or if the dr is trying to pay off his school lones.3.more dr,s per people....if you are up more that 24 hrs you are constiters a drunk dirver y is that any differnt for a dr performing sergery?
4.mandatory check ups its cheaper for preventive medican rather than the ER for a hear atack...you didnt get the check up you lose you heath care......
ThePoliticalhater 2 years ago
there is no need for the med care reform just fix the exsisting medical care as it is. obama wants to expand competition on to drive down prices so why dont they just open up the state borders for all heath care providers to compete among them selves there is curently over 1300 heath care porviders out there.....how the hell will government compete with all of them?....they will be on a national level....sounds pritty bad to me
ThePoliticalhater 2 years ago
Uneducated fools like these will take away our freedom,
GabrielGrewal 2 years ago
oh, and your educated ass won't? Go read the constitution, and quit trying to make america in the image of countries that look to us for support.
gamble71 2 years ago
I know the Constitution very well. At least I have the respect to capitalize it in a sentence. You are a traitor to all of those who have died to defend our Constitution.
GabrielGrewal 2 years ago
Interesting. Especially considering I'm a disabled vet, and my wife is currently deployed to Iraq. Might wanna educate yourself a bit, before you make a bigger fool of yourself.
gamble71 2 years ago
I guess someone who would insult our Nation has no problem disrespecting the current men and women deployed in Iraq.
GabrielGrewal 2 years ago
the only disgrace I see around here is you liberals, screaming about "uneducated" rednecks. Elitism at it's best. Tell me, when's the last time you did something for America, rather than look to the government for a handout? When's the last time you strapped on a pack, an M16, and put yourself in harm's way for your fellow american?
gamble71 2 years ago
ECO on an A-6 Prowler was the last time I put my self in harms way. I am not liberal, but I am educated. Elitism is term the stupid use to excuse their laziness. I agree this health care plan is flawed. However, I am disgusted at you people acting like a nazi mob. This kind of mob mentality will destroy us. In fact Thomas Jefferson himself was noted how mob rule helped destroy.
GabrielGrewal 2 years ago
Thomas Jefferson, and many other founding fathers, also warned of the federal government becoming tyrannical, and the need for rebellion if it did. Say what you want about elitism, I have one degree, almost two. I recognize someone hiding their superior attitude behind their education. Otherwise you wouldn't be talking about the "uneducated"masses. Good effort, but you missed.
gamble71 2 years ago
haha sure buddy
GabrielGrewal 2 years ago
good comeback. I see you putting that education to good use.
gamble71 2 years ago
I believe people view you as uneducated not because of your stance on health care. They call you uneducated because you are not able to have a rational discussion on it. All you do is throw around insults and straw man arguments. Blah Blah Elitism... BLah Blah handouts... Why not try a real debate. Is health care in the US broken or not? Should the Feds try to regulate health care, is so why? Or you can be Taliban Mullah and shout at everyone who is trying to help us become a stronger nation
MrBiscaglia 2 years ago
A stronger nation? Thru what, giving people something they should earn. I was raised that if you didn't work, you didn't eat. People looking to the government feedin trouth deserve nothing. I've made my way, with help of friends and family. I look to the government for nothing. Self reliance, you should try it sometime, rather than riding on the backs of your fellow americans.
gamble71 2 years ago
The worst part about fools like gamble71 is that they rely on "the eliltiest" every day. It is the "liberal" states that provide the science and technology to keep this fool alive. He talks about his time in iraq. Who do you thin kept him safe! It was the those evil smart guys that gave him the weapons, the logistics, the medical care. He is a fool that would not survive one day with all the great things of modern life.
GabrielGrewal 2 years ago
Actually, most doctors oppose Obami's health care reform too. There goes that arguement.
gamble71 2 years ago
Name calling. Another sure sign your arguement doesn't hold water.
gamble71 2 years ago
It's the uneducated vs the educated. The uneducated blindly favor insurance company profit and control to say when they die. The educated understand the insurance companies need to be reigned in. Freedom first would be freedom from the insurance companies and their soaring costs. This was obviously sponsored by corporate greed, I saw Bob that works down at blue cross blue shield chanting there.
bhccgamer 2 years ago
I'd agree with you the insurance companies have to be reigned in, but I don't think putting 300 million Americans on a mandatory insurance plan when we are $12 trillion in debt makes any "common sense" whatsover.
Especially with what the goverment has done with medicare, medicaid and social security.
Kapan60 2 years ago
I have one college degree, working on the 2nd. Am I educated to know that socialized health care is not the answer? It's intellectual snobs, like yourself, trying to push your agenda on us, for our own good, that we object to. The insurance companies need reined in, but Obami Care is not the answer. If you like it, move to canada, and leave America the way it is.
gamble71 2 years ago
lmao amen to all the protesters :) impeach obama!!
tstill16 2 years ago
Watch Youtube video: The Health Care Bill: What they DON'T want you to know!
wethepeopleUSA2012 2 years ago
These right-wing fucktards love to follow their marching orders. That's what happens when your head is empty.
bubba5000 2 years ago
kinda like you empty headed liberals? I want you to name one thing society relies on liberals for. Police/military/firefighters aren't among, so why do we need you? Socialism.... just another excuse for losers who can't cut it on their own to ride the backs of us, who can.
gamble71 2 years ago
This has been flagged as spam show
Socialism is a "scare word" the wealthy use to keep their taxes low, it only works on fucktards such as yourself.
bubba5000 2 years ago
Hey im not a liberal...but there are a lot of empty headed conservatives too...and by your comments i cant tell you are one of them.
jtownsend1031 2 years ago
No, just someone who's lived in countries with socialized health care. I've seen what it does first hand. If you'll study, you'll see hawaii tried it, and had to drop it. I also don't go around calling people "uneducated" to make myself feel superior to them.
gamble71 2 years ago
Person A makes claim X
There is something objectionable about Person A
Therefore claim X is false
GabrielGrewal 2 years ago
support this. I want you to show me one, just one, successful government program. I also want you to show me why the government should continue to give handouts to people unwilling to earn their own way.
gamble71 2 years ago
Freeway system, Social Security, USPS, ARMY/NAVY/AIR Force, the FAA, FDA, SEC, EPA, US Forest service, Coast Guard. etc etc. Yes every system is not perfect, however based on your logic the US would be better without any of these. Please tell me how the US would be better served with out the FAA?
TheAirplaner 2 years ago
HAHA you are assuming that Gamble71 understands would Air Travel is. Those them there are the flying devil. I bet he thinks the FAA is using "chem trails" to control us all.
GabrielGrewal 2 years ago
You drinking? My 9yr old makes a more coherent arguement.
gamble71 2 years ago
Once again you are unable to have a real debate. Thank God for the Public Education system or your 9 year old would be working in a factory instead of being able to make a better coherent arguement then her 37 year old father. Also thank god that the govt will help her stay healthy if her father ever was unable to give her medical care.
GabrielGrewal 2 years ago
Actually, we're a very self reliant family. We will not rely on the government for health care. If something were to happen to me, the wife would make sure of that. Our hands are for working, not for sticking out to the government to fill.
gamble71 2 years ago
I agree that the government should not give free hand outs. Welfare states are doomed for failure. I also agree that the system that congress is pushing is flawed. However none of this changes the fact that health care in this nation is ruled by insurance companies. My complaint with this "protesters" and "mobs" acting like third world nation thugs and juntas. This is the kind of garbage that happens in muslim nations. I assumed as a civilized nation we would not resort to the grovel.
GabrielGrewal 2 years ago
This "grovel" as you call it, is what formed this nation. Everyone reads a history book, and it's nice and clean. What they forget, is this country was founded on a lot of bloodshed, most of it by poor, uneducated farmers. We beat the world's biggest superpower at the time, and became the world's only superpower. All without socialized healthcare. Reform? Yes. Obamicare? No. Handouts are never the answer, as people will never give them up.
gamble71 2 years ago
I once again am shocked at your disrespect for our Nation. I would not dare to call the Thomas Jefferson, Adams, Franklin, Paine etc "grovel" As I noted before Thomas Jefferson stated that "mob rule" has the power to destroy democracy and freedom. We are a superpower not because of the "grovel" but be cause of the elite as you call them. Now, do you agree that a healthy nation makes for a strong nation?
GabrielGrewal 2 years ago
Nice try spin doctor. While Jefferson and the other founding fathers led the way. It was the common man bleeding on the ground that got us where we are. As I've previously stated, Jefferson warned of the federal government becoming tyrannical, and the need for constant revolution. And, I'll continue to ask you to show me where in the Constitution, free healthcare is provided for. Also, as I already stated, we became a superpower without it. Guess hard work pays off, rather than handouts.
gamble71 2 years ago
"As revolutionary instruments (when nothing but revolution will cure the evils of the State) [secret societies] are necessary and indispensable, and the right to use them is inalienable by the people." --Thomas Jefferson to William Duane, 1803. FE 8:256
gamble71 2 years ago
"A government big enough to give you everything you want is a government big enough to take from you everything you have.
Presidential address to a joint session of Congress
gamble71 2 years ago
Acutally, it's your ignorance of the Constitution, and why our founding fathers formed this nation this is disguisting. Then, the fact, that you use that ignorance as a shield for your laziness and ineptness is even more disturbing. You've yet to show me where the Constitution provides for this, and you're not going to.
gamble71 2 years ago
Oh, and it was you who called it grovel. You do realize that, back then, it was the common man complaining about England, that led to the revolution. I'm sure their gatherings were much like the one above, that you're making fun of. Your lack of understanding of our beginning is truly disturbing. Guess it's easy to do when you're livin easy on government handouts though.
gamble71 2 years ago
I also notice, you have yet to address my question of how doctors should feel on this? After 8-12yrs of college, are they supposed to be happy to step into a government job? Do you think they're going to try to excel? What is the incentive for someone to become a doctor, when now the government will decided your pay? If healthcare is your right, does that make them your servant? Also, go figure out the difference between your rights and your luxuries.
gamble71 2 years ago
sigh You are a fool. I even tried to give you a chance to redeem yourself, You have missed the point. I have stated that I agree that the system congress wants is flawed. If you go back and read what I wrote you will find that I am disgusted by YOU and your support of these mindless mobs.
GabrielGrewal 2 years ago
typical liberal tactic, don't address the issue, attack the person. You haven't supported your arguement with a single fact. Don't worry though, those of us with a work ethic will continue to work, so you can continue to feed at the government trough. I'll make sure you and your family are taken care of, since you're incapable, or too lazy, to do it yourself.
gamble71 2 years ago 2
If you'd read the constitution, you'd see that military, and infastructure is part of the government's roles. Plus social security is failing, the post office is the epitomy of failure, and the military succeeds despite the government. I can show you the government's role spelled out in the Constitution. Free health care isn't on there. As a certified aircraft mechanic, I can tell ya the FAA is far from a shining example of effectiveness.
gamble71 2 years ago
The thought of you fixing aircraft is disturbing. Let me ask you this. Do you know why employers are required by law to give health insurance? And as a follow up, do you agree with the laws that require employers to give health insurance.
GabrielGrewal 2 years ago
The law requiring health care was begun with unions, not the government. Do I agree with the law? Not really. It's a good idea, but if you didn't prepare yourself for a job that would provide you with health care, why is it the employeers responsibility? I went to the same public school system you did, I'm not asking for a handout. Why are you?
gamble71 2 years ago
Do you not agree that we are a stronger nations if our citizens are healthy? We give people health care not because we are nice, but because we have too. How could we run a first world economy if we have people dying in the streets of TB? We quickly forget that health care is the number one factor in our jump in life span rates from before the industrial revolution. A healthy nation makes for a strong nation.
GabrielGrewal 2 years ago
Far from rich there junior. Vet of 9yrs army, married to an active duty soldier. I just know what it is to earn something, vs having it handed to you. Apparently you're one of the former. Great knowing people out there are working hard to take care of you, since you are apparently incapable of doing it yourself.
gamble71 2 years ago
The greatest Socialist gem that the world has ever seen is the $786 BILLION per year U.S. Department of Defense.
The DoD protects everyone within the United States, including 20 Million illegal immigrants, as well as millions of people in multiple foreign nations who pay NONE of its cost.
We spend more on "defense" than the rest of the world COMBINED.
That allows other wealthy countries to provide healthcare for their citizens.
The USA is subsidizing the entire free world!
Yea Socialism!
bubba5000 2 years ago
I suggest a little educating on your part, your ignorance is showing.
gamble71 2 years ago
LOL You got nothin.
bubba5000 2 years ago
actually, you're the one with nothing. Well, except what has been provided to you by hard working americans. You ever done anything to make your community better, or do you just leach off everything you can? I already know you don't have the cajones for the military. You're a sad, selfish little man. I'd pity you, but I save that for people worthy of it.
gamble71 2 years ago
Still LMAO!!!
If we can cover the world's ass with our military then we can provide healthcare to our citizens.
Period.
bubba5000 2 years ago
military is covered under the constitution. Show me where healthcare is, til then your arguement is selfish and self centered. Which is about what I expected.
gamble71 2 years ago
You pathetic fool!
Where exactly, in the constitution, does it say that we should subsidize the world with our military?
bubba5000 2 years ago
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
Might wanna looka at that word defense. I can tell you've never done anything to better your community by your response.
gamble71 2 years ago
You might want to look up the meaning of "Promote the general Welfare" before you argue against healthcare for Americans.
bubba5000 2 years ago
The United States Constitution contains two references to "the General Welfare", one occurring in the Preamble and the other in the Taxing and Spending Clause. However, it is only the latter that is referred to as the "General Welfare Clause" of this document. Unlike most General Welfare clauses, however, the clause in the U.S. Constitution has been interpreted as a limitation on the power of the United States Congress to use its powers of taxing and spending.
gamble71 2 years ago
More conservative lies.
bubba5000 2 years ago
I'm sure it doesn't mean bankrupt the country though.
Kapan60 2 years ago
Tell me, have you at least traveled to a country with a socialist healthcare system? Or are you just regurgatating what the media feeds you?
gamble71 2 years ago
And guess who's going to pay for it? The fellow taxpayers.
Healthcare isn't free, you know. And subsidized health care is terrible.
One of my friends lives in Europe. His brother lives in Denmark, where they have government-controlled healthcare.
Did you know that 60% of his brother's YEARLY INCOME goes to the government so that they can pay for that?
Did you know that it takes months for him to make a doctor's appointment, so the government can decide if he's too expensive?
It fails.
sliatrobofox 2 years ago
One of my friends lives in Canada and she just loves her National Healthcare plan, she often states that she would never want the American corporations running her healthcare.
bubba5000 2 years ago
And I'm sure your "friend" is one of the many who would rather just have everything handed to her instead of having to work for anything, just as you seem to be. :)
sliatrobofox 2 years ago
Nope, we both work hard and pay our taxes. Nice try though.
bubba5000 2 years ago
You work hard and pay your taxes - so then what's so hard about getting your own health care?
Unless you'd rather pay MORE taxes to pay for that health care. Care you might not even get - because if you cost too much to care for, the government will not hesitate to offer you absolutely nothing (except medicated suicide.)
sliatrobofox 2 years ago
Wow, you're 16 years old and already a right-wing wacko. So sad.
bubba5000 2 years ago
Right-wing wacko? Ha, ha. You humor me. Really. :D
I just understand and appreciate the values behind hard work.
sliatrobofox 2 years ago
Me too, so we have that in common.
I also understand when someone is repeating right-wing lies.
bubba5000 2 years ago
Right-wing lies? Oh please, stop. I'm laughing.
I gather my information from media - both "left-wing" and "right-wing" and base my opinions off of that.
Trust me, if I was just regurgitating what the right-wing media puts down people's throats, you'd know.
sliatrobofox 2 years ago
"you'd know"
LOL, Exactly.
bubba5000 2 years ago
"LOL" - too bad I could pull the same thing and say that I know you're repeating left-wing lies. :)
But you know you seem to be more of a troll than a hard-core liberal so I'll leave it at that.
sliatrobofox 2 years ago
Shaye,
One last thing: leave the right-wing lies behind as well.
bubba5000 2 years ago
If only people would leave the left-wing lies behind as well.
Both parties have their faults. But this is my view and I'm sticking to it. I think that this "discussion" is getting both of us nowhere - so I'll leave you alone now.
sliatrobofox 2 years ago
You betcha !
bubba5000 2 years ago
And our "stimulus" and our "health care plans" have cost more than ALL of the other presidents in HISTORY combined. And it only took a few months.
Dude, totally, get an education and learn what Socialism is before you throw the word around.
sliatrobofox 2 years ago
Come on guys don't say it
Free-Dum-Firs!
Free-Dum-Firs!
People may think you're giving away dumplings...
you need half the crowd scream it "FREEDOM!"
and the other half "FIRST!"
lets get some cajones like the military. They know how to chant.
MrPisster 2 years ago
Free our turds
Free our turds
Free our turds
sagtimmerdiewahrheit 2 years ago
MAN THIS IS GREAT. i PERSONALY THOUGHT THAT THE FIRST NON WHITE PRESIDENT WOULD CHANGE EVERYTHING FOR EQUALITY AND FAIRNESS, FREE HEALTH CARE FOR ALL ECT BUT TO MY SURPRICE AND ITS ACTUALY SAD TO FIND OUT HES A SELL OUT . IN FAIRNES ITS TRUE ABOUT A PRESIDENT NOT BEING THERE TO CHANGE THINGS BUT TO RUN THINGS. LIKE THE AGENDA OF THE ONES CONTROLING BOTH THE REPUBLICANS AND THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY.
SICKCHICANO 2 years ago
Can you say Nazies?
happygalmarried 2 years ago
Why yes I can....it appears you can't spell it though! Haha dumbass
NacreousCTD 2 years ago
Grow up you child, your page is of the devil, I SEE.
oh, and by the way,'yeswe can" in reverse speech is, thank you satan. Let them gas your sorry pittiful ass. Just wait!
happygalmarried 2 years ago
wow...you continue 2 fail in your comebacks. U tell me 2 "grow up" yet u make immature comments....very sad, I bet ur counter part is an "unhappymanmarried" hahaha
NacreousCTD 2 years ago
yes, Obama.... there I said it.
gamble71 2 years ago
I see someone is a Billy Mays fan. Caps lock overkill. :|
sliatrobofox 2 years ago
I'm afraid those people really arnt aware of the whole truth yet. But its a good start.
I just hope its not too late.
Do you think they know there are over 800
concentration camps,chemtrails poisoning us?
Fluoride in our water poisoning us? GMO foods, its grown everywhere especially in Indiana. Do they know who's really in charge? And what their plan is for us?
happygalmarried 2 years ago 2
THE HIDDEN WAR: The war that the criminal government NEVER wants you to fight or even know about is: "Collectivism vs. Individualism".
They want you fight the false left-right paradigm battle that is staged and manufactured by the leadership of the two corrupt political parties that are owned and controlled by the global ruling elite that own big banking, Big oil, big media, big pharma, and The Military Industrial Complex.
Divide and control is the goal of our treasonous government.
diamondman007 2 years ago 2
Finally, the Sheeple are waking-up to what we patriots have been saying for many years. WE ARE AT WAR with the criminal government and the ruling global elite banksters! Finally, they are realizing that the Pentagon controlled mass media is lying about the "Staged" money melt-down and we MUST end the Fed and the criminal IRS!
Scream truth to corrupt, treasonous power and DEATH to World Government!
Obama, Bush, Clinton are ALL working to destroy freedom, liberty to create Collectivism!
diamondman007 2 years ago
hands off those love handles
oh man, the most powerful government in the world is going to be defeated by overweight geriatric americans
biohax 2 years ago
why not, the most powerful government in the world fell to a bunch of uneducated farmers once. We call it the revolutionary war.
gamble71 2 years ago
Woohoo.. I am glad the American people are finally getting out from in front of the TV and standing up against the government. We should have been doing this the last 20 years or more. It's time to kick out the ratbags in congress and put in some public servants instead of corporate funded thugs like we have now.
purechaos2000 2 years ago
Go America!
mikenjenn624 2 years ago
Halftime score:
ObamaCare 0
Waterloo 5
PalinRepublic 2 years ago