Krosnoff

[hearts76100]

The worst thing you can hit in any vehicle at speed is a tree!

It's been there for 50+ years and unless youv'e got a chainsaw..........IT AINT MOVING!!!

[seniram845]

Wasn't the lightpost as much as it was the large elm tree (since removed) that was just behind the fence. I was there that day just around teh corner from the accident, and I can tell you there is nothing a race fan hates more than a quiet racetrack, it's a sure sign that something terrible has happened.

RIP Jeff Krossnoff and Gary Arvin

[Fodedor0]

Fences mounted BEHIND of the light posts?

[hinsaniT]

４位のグレッグ・ムーアも後に・・・

悲しいね

[f12018]

4:09 Le steward a sauvé tous ces potes, quel reflex !

[foxtrotalphaone]

That was very similar to Robert Kubica's crash in Canada, at least in the way it was caused.

[swa531]

1996年ぐらいから当時のCARTを見始めましたが...今で­もこの事故は凄く衝撃を覚えています。

確かトヨタもこの年からCARTに参戦しましたよね。

[boowyziggy]

マシンを身軽にする代わりに強度を下げるってのは良くないよな。

こんな裸車に馬鹿でかいエンジン積んだら

そりゃあ死ぬ人もいる。

[holden0001]

that guy cannot wave a flag

[3338MAN]

Krossnoff was killed on impact.

[hydrosav2007]

ai nacudda nawka, crashnaca andeskado, ndreshcado kitmuneskado, mashano

try to mock that language in English is extremely difficult, they talk crazy fast!!

[tatsuya3638]

昔よりマシンは進歩していますが、当たり所が悪かったかりすると­命は落とします。

[KAZEMUKKK]

クロスノフの死はショックだった。ル・マンや全日本ＧＴで活躍し­てたから印象残っているだけに。

＞HIROYUKIDEC1515さん

運転席からぶつかっているので、どんなに頑丈なモノコックでもオ­ープンボディのフォーミュラでは致命傷になると思います。

[HIROYUKIDEC1515]

現在のモノコックなら大丈夫だっただろうか...

[altroval]

@afiseries

I liked Stefan Johannson as a driver but the simple fact is he lost sight of Krosnoff in his mirrors and moved over on him.

Stefan was a clean driver throughout his F1 & CART career, but he committed a terrible, terrible error here.

[TheBagger57]

i was at this race, watching it from other side of lakesshore Blvd, where accident took placed

[deadheat007]

you can see him going fliying out of the car at 4:14 right in front of that yellow car

[Sheshant]

@deadheat007 wow! is that reli him being darted across the road at that force? that is extreme .. my deepest respects to the ones who lost their lives here. RIP

[Wizerud]

@deadheat007 That's not the driver who you can clearly see moments later upright in what's left of the cockpit sliding slowly across the road.

[geetarbube]

@Lovinmetalallday a track volunteer did die...his name was Gary Arvin.

[tatsuya3638]

レースは本当にわからないですが、本当に大惨事ですよ。

[doradounai]

マシンが飛ぶ可能性があるだけに市街地サーキットだとまだまだ危­険性を感じます。

[mdgeist012002]

the Marshalls at this area where to much in the open

[thedayitriedtodie]

@mdgeist012002

there's a really bad one from Macau in 1998 or 97(?) at a porsche race... some marshalls get hit by a porsche full throtlle...

[AKUNAKIMS]

こりゃあ、酷い。最早ドンマイとしか・・・・・・・ご冥福をお祈­りします。

[Reignss]

Whoever crashed this man, it almost looks like he did it on purpose. he cut down hard right into him =(. RIP

[Fastball2000]

A course worker was also killed in this accident.

[naturalshizen]

R.I.P.

[lupescarese]

ma hernandez cazzo festeggia con krosnoff morto e proprio un coglione

[055697]

maybe he (adrian fernandez) didn't know krosnoff was dead. also, drivers know the risks of their sport. also, schumi celebrated in 1994 at Imola.

[lupescarese]

si e vero amico però presumo che c'era il collegamento via radio con i box e poi a fine gara i suoi meccanici potevano informarlo che krosnoff era morto sul colpo più che altro per sensibilità umana perchè si bisogna correre ma bisogna cercare di non farsi male ok .poi il fatto di shumi che dici tu e verò che nel 1994 a festeggiato ma anche verò che quando ha raggiunto le vittorie di ayrton a pianto come un bambino se lo trovo ti mando il video un saluto.

[utheman01]

i definately think that if the pole wasnt there he would have live RIP tho

[WICKEDMAN85]

R.I.P Jeff Kronsoff and the Marshall who was killed by Jeff's car when it was liffed up into the fence.

[ROONTANG]

He would've died instantly?

[ROONTANG]

Wow, must be one tough bloke to survive that, even if he died the next day. RIP.

[Hlover01]

is there an english verson?

[Tornadotommy]

R.I.P. Jeff Krosnoff

[kamavakaah]

i was so close to that crash pieces of the car were flying over my head, it was a messed up day

[afuzzyduck]

what's that on the radio at 1.40?

[dralbertqnixon]

I remember walking across that bridge during the practice sessions in 1996 and then watching the race the next day. It still shakes me. I remember seeing the tree...

[dralbertqnixon]

about what?

[kzbxvz]

Despite this horror accident Toronto is a great street racing track.

[tubeyou443]

Wow, three drivers in that posistion list were later killed.

[MacTobey]

who?

[MacTobey]

greg moore was the only one

[drummertristan1997]

Wasn't Alex Zanardi the one who got his legs chopped off?

[MacTobey]

alex zanardi lost his legs in a terrible crash on eurospeedway in germany in 2001, but he is back and currently he´s driving in the world touring car championship, i think.

he´s a very brave and tough man!

[londongamer]

Well - amputated after major surgery after his car-to-car collision, yes.

[tommy9927]

Would have been a freak accident like Kenny Bräck's today, but not fatal if there wasn't this lamppost standing in front of the catch fencing. No one else to blame but the circuit management.

Also the marshalling post is completely uncovered - Jesus...

[ilferrari]

3:32 "GOAL"? Who scored?

[MIJAEL96APOLLO]

are you stupid?? he died

[TiagoWakabayashi]

stupid why??

[TiagoWakabayashi]

oh i think i understood if was because of "lool", this was for a non-sense comment m and no for this video

[Cmuska53]

ドナルディ（ドナルド･マクドナルド×ヴィヴァルディ）

[5H1TH4BB1T]

IndyCars are ment to be so stable annd so strong the most crashes that look fatal the accually survive i was there to see that I thought he was alive but then... R.I.P Jeff Krosnoff

[Quinn9]

Around 1:59, you can see the track marshall getting hit by one of Krosnoff's wheels

[Quinn9]

Sorry, 2:02

[mindik79]

Formula-Indy-Cars aren't sure enough like the Formula-1 ones.

[incagaiden]

not true

[notyetpro1]

@mindik79 even an f1 driver would have been killed if his head hit a tree like jeff. RIP

[h23a]

there is no way in hell someone could have survived that, typical redneck prepared race circuits, its the mid 90's and they still raced with exposed lamposts and sheath coated fencing. with 900hp turbocharged RC cars

[afiseries]

It's not Stefan's fault at all. It's completely an unfortunate racing incident. The defining factor in the outcome was the light post and/or tree.

Accidents happen. You can't start crucifying drivers in non fatal 'accidents'. Just because one is fatal is down to more. The track safety wasn't as it could have been. That's the unfortunate reality.

Blaming another driver ahead of Krosnoff is really not nice.

[iamthedrumm]

Stefan Johansson is the driver of the car that turns into Krosnoff. Some may say it was just an accident, but it was caused by Johansson. He cut and forced drivers off all the time in his career. Sure he did not mean to kill anyone, but his actions caused this trajedy. It is a shame people have to die for others lack of talent.

RIP Jeff Krosnoff, and the track worker.

[ilferrari]

I agree with you. He clearly has pulled out to pass Fittipaldi and cut off Krosnoff as he moved from left-to-right into the braking zone.

[TiagoWakabayashi]

Is Fittipaldi father or son? I thought i have seen the Emerson Fittipaldi

[mbad7]

Watched that race live... Nobody braked late or early,he jus came to near,and cliped the wheel of the car in front,an it fllipped him over...

[birrman2008]

Who was that that braked late?

[Neilen91183]

To everyone who's going of at Holland1953 about him talking politics; ease up!

i know what he's trying to tell and i agree with him. In formula 1 is a enourmes amount of money involved. More than in any other sport. In the case of a fatal crash in F1, the the driver will always be officially anounced daed when he's in the chopper to hospital or in the hospital itself. never on the track. Why? The money. That same reason(money) is the reason why monaco will always be on the F1 calender.

[tommerwhite]

I hade the honour of calling "Gentlemen start your engines" at this race and was behind his pits when the crash happened it took many of the crew to hold back his girlfriend from running to the crash site.Lets not forget all the peoples live this affected for our entertainmen but most of all for Jeff who was getting paid to do what he loved and Gary who did it for free because he loved being part of it... thanks for the ultimate sacrifice guys.....Tom

[NickPatrick2]

Was this transmission live or re-live, Jumangoku?

I've heard that the commentators remembered the past experiences of Jeff in Japanese Formula 3000 and Sport, alongside Roland Ratzenberger, killed 2 years before in the awful San Marino 1994 GP.

[FunkyDuke777]

so many people celebrating two men's deaths! so disgusting! even if the don't know it exactly, they knew a severe accident has happened and they had to count with that.

the Japanese commentators are so emotionless like nothing special's happened.

[tylertjp]

Funkyduke, yes it seems insensitive, but Adrian Fernandez was just celebrating his first win, and there's no way any of the driver's could have really known it was a fatal wreck. I definitely see your point, but as any race fan knows, there have been so many horrific wrecks where the driver walks away, I bet many thought the race was simply called off because of the damaged fence and not the severity of the wreck (and maybe it was, who knows)?

[FunkyDuke777]

tylertjp: ok mate, I see your point as well. I judged them a bit too harshly ("celebrating two men's deaths", well, actually even three have been killed as far as I know), my emotions were getting high at that moment. of course, they celebrate their success, but I think I would have acted in a different way. noone really knows it, but anyway see above...

[tylertjp]

Yeah, I know I would have acted in a different way too. I guess they just didn't think much of it, since most of the drivers didn't see the wreck as it was happening. But anyway, I'm pretty sure just the driver and 1 of the track workers were killed. It's hard to see, but I believe on the replay at 2:01, you can see one of his front wheels hitting the track worker in the head. It's too bad, because that part of the race track obviously wasn't safe enough for the drivers or the track workers.

[tylertjp]

Krosnoff's head hit the light pole when he was airborne, killing him instantly. It has nothing to do with the safety of the cars in this case. This is always a possibility with cars where the driver's head is exposed. The track worker was killed when he was hit with Krisnoff's right front tire, also when he was airborne.

[randarmax]

With due respect if you look carefully his head never hits the light pole, rather on the previous impact against the concrete wall before he arrives at the pole, his open top is crushed on that blow. Oh, and by the way- no one is celebrating here.

[tylertjp]

Actually I've thought the same thing. It looks like the car hits the pole at about where his legs would be. From what I've read, it's been implied that his head hit the pole (I know, don't believe everything you read) but it is somewhat hard to tell exactly where it hit, since the quality of the video isn't very good, but your theory does sound pretty good, except I think his head hits after hitting the pole not before, and on the road and not the wall right at 2:03 when they show the replay.

[tylertjp]

But I don't know, I'm not a crash expert, and the video quality isn't good.

[tylertjp]

Actually I've thought the same thing. It looks like the car hits the pole at about where his legs would be. From what I've read, it's been implied that his head hit the pole (I know, don't believe everything you read) but it is somewhat hard to tell exactly where it hit, since the quality of the video isn't very good, but your theory does sound pretty good, except I think his head hits after hitting the pole not before, and on the road and not the wall right at 2:03 when they show the replay.

[tylertjp]

But I don't know, I'm not a crash expert, and the video quality isn't good.

[BongMaster12985]

Thanks.

[Carpfisher63]

would that cars be as save as they are in the formula 1 he would still live...

[mhy249]

two people died for gods sake

[mattgotowned]

what killed krosnoff the cockpit was still intact

[AlonsoRules]

He hit a light pole that was in front of the barriers (Dumb)

[therrydicule]

Godnesh: Toronto 1996, Jeff Krosnoff and Gary Avrin was kill this day: Krosnoff be injuries ans Avrin be being hit be "debris"...

[ellisqpr86]

i agree with sarin,why the hell are you talking about politics

[sarin82]

Wtf does politics have to do with a racing accident??!?!

[schlickaz]

How do you get such good quality uploads? Mine are crap.

(PS RIP KROSNOFF!)

[geedog33]

can anyone tell me please who the team boss/manager/director dude is from fernandez' car that gets interviewed at the end of the race?

[daddydawg]

Steve Horne

[Neilen91183]

And believe me..no mather how safe F1 looks today..its just am mather of time before the next driver gets killed in a crash..Imagine what happens when a car gets airnorne in Monaco? every form of racing is more or less dangerous..but believe me..id rather have a crash in a IRL or Chamcar witch 200 + mp/h, then a accident with my own car at 110 mp/h....

[koritnica]

Ok,you have a point there but still...it's scary! You've seen what happened to kenny brack! I can only wish for that much luck,he probably goes to church every day to thank god for his life! Thanx for replying

[Holland1953]

Yes, Monaco will receive its share of a Krosnoff type accident but business during the GP time is so incredibly high that, no matter what occurs, the race is assured of its lasting status in the F1 calendar.

[Neilen91183]

Nomather wich protection you use to reduce the impact in the apereance of a crash, the impact will always be high. The second problem is the good old open wheel racing...If 2 different cars collide and the tyres hit eachother, the car will lift of like a missile..nothing you can do about it. Is american oval racing the most dangerous form of car racing, probalbly yes. Is it safe? the did their best..but accident can and always will happen.

[Neilen91183]

That's a good question you ask there, and the answer is not that simple.

The first reason is rather simple...Speed.

When you let 25+ cars race at speeds around 220 mp/h atjust inches away from eachother, its about to go wrong. It's not a question if, but when... The speeds on american ovals are verry high, and therefore the impacts.

[Neilen91183]

Therefore the impact whas verry intense, and the front of the car was completelly totalled. The result whas that Olivier broke his leg. If there whas only a concrete wall at that point, oliviers car would have slid along the wall, and the car wouldn't have been teared apart by the tyres.

[koritnica]

Ok,I may say that I agree with you but only partialy. If what you say is true,and I honestly believe you,why are there so many cassulties and horrific accidents in CART and Indy Car? It is very risky to drive in america,much more than in europe.Anyway,thanx for the discusion!

Greetings from Serbia!

[Neilen91183]

@Koritnica:

The concrete walls are there for a reason. It depends on the angle of impact what is nessesery to safelly slow down a car. If the angle is low, a concrete wall is better because the car wil slide down the wall without any further damage.. If the angele is large..like a frontal impact, its better to have tire walls. Take for instance Oliviers pani's crash in formula 1 in canada, Montreal, in 1996. On that spot, he impacted the tyre wall.

[koritnica]

I think that there is a serious problem with safety in C.A.R.T aswell as in any other racing sport in America.Here in Europe we think more about the lives of drivers than you do. You just want excitement and fun,but sometimes it can lead to a serious tragedy like this one! Rest in peace Jeff,we loved you here in Serbia!

[5v4al]

Yeah, that's why we have so many Rally races in America. We love killing people. You are a misinformed fool, koritnica. The entire motorsports world (including Europe and America) is very saftey minded these days. Your comments are also disrespectul to those that died in this accident, which by the way is over 10 years old by now.

[koritnica]

Please tell me what is the reason for you calling me a full? And what is so disrespectful in my comment. A FACT is that in america concrete walls are so near the track that it is imposible to avoid them when mistake occurs. I personally would like to see less people getting hurt,would you? Please do not call anybody a fool because you in usa don't have any right to anybody anything,you are the biggest terrorists in the world!!!

[Aerodax1]

You are very naive if you think a driver will never die again in Europe. Also, if your in Serbia, why are you claiming Europe?

[koritnica]

You might want to try geography,and than you'll know why Europe!

[BongMaster12985]

Koritnica, please forgive this dumbass "fellow" American, for he does not represent all of us :)

[koritnica]

No problem,thanks for the kind words...anyway,I enjoy american motosports very much,but sometimes I just can't help thinking that some of the people on the grandstands only come to races to see people get hurt. Racing is fun,even crashes are fun,but no normal person wants to see someone get hurt or dead....anyway,thanks again

Cheers!

[thechad4493]

ya we have concrete walls at slow speed tracks like that one. we have safer barriers which are made of cushon stuff at our high speed ovals. the last fatal oval crashes were just unfortunate by way of cars crashing into other cars. our racing is very safe. ur a communist right?

[koritnica]

No,I am a democrat!

I hope you know what that means,'cause your president is the biggest terrorist ever born!

[thechad4493]

no shit for realz? im a democrat too! hardcore one at that. i hate bush , hes a dumbass as well as a borderline retard.

[fatriani]

its democrats' fault bush got re-elected

[thechad4493]

electoral votes too. kerry wasnt that great of a canidate either. better than a retard though

[4N0NYM0053]

the democrats rigged it so that john kerry would lose so that hilary could run in 08

[thechad4493]

obamas better he makes hilary look like a fool

[RHO1953]

That is absolute BS. You are ignorant.

[BackBurner12]

Very, very sad. There was however one good thing. A women who was hit in the head by flying debris from Krosnoff's car survived with no long term effects. R.I.P. Jeff Krosnoff and Gary Avrin.

[bigskyboiler]

I remember watching this race and staying tuned to the golf tournament afterward to try and figure out what happened to Krosnoff. It's totally unfortunate that two Fernandez wins occurred on days when another driver lost his life. This was sooo sad.

[Dannie85]

R.I.P Jeff Krosnoff and the Steward killed aswell.

[richard20062006]

Sad to see...

[vuetube]

This was the saddest day in CART history up to this point.

RIP Jeff, Gonzalo and Gregg.