not every tenor has a voice like wunderlich gedda, dermota etc. but mr bestrides behaving on stage is against the words and the music he is singing. also his italian is not good enough, better he should sing other music. or he should try to sing it in english and for sure he would realize, that his stage manners are not adequate to dalla sue pace
What a pompous bunch of comments! I hope you all can sing it better then this beautiful, musical, artistic performance. I suppose you would also criticize Pavarotti's use of the handkerchief.
In an attempt to be HIP, Bostridge is a bit too mannered. Seems to have lost the line for the details. I mean, there should be some sighing inflection through a phrase, but the tone can't disappear completely! For example, what is going on at 1:30? And that appoggiatura at 1:16... just sounds like he's out of breath. Disappoint.
I like his singing but I can't stand his constant moving. I can't imagine how unbearable must be to see him performing an entire opera. Where's the old art of recitali singning? It seems it's not taught anymore in the schools and the old standard is being discontinued. I have to say the same thing happen to me with Juan Diego Florez. While I like (don´t love) his singing, I can´t stand watching him.
I think, Mozart would have liked him very much. What I like about Bostridge is his singularity, he´s unique and a singers singer, not a mainstream product.
If he is not a mainstream product, then why are the vast majority of his clips (audio and video) done with microphones and electronic amplification? Mozart always knew the singers he wrote roles for, and wrote for the most virtuosic and impressive singers of his day, people that didn't need the crutch of a microphone, singers that sang opera without gadgets masking their inadequacies. Singers that could actually sing opera live in an opera house.
What Bostridge isn't is LOUD. I just like how interesting he is, not conventional. He is unique, and not in a bad way. For those who struggle long and hard to do things right, it must be terribly frustrating to watch somebody succeed by doing it all wrong. You can sometimes see the other tenors growling in the background, "Why isnt it me up there?" But he is expressive in a way that appeals to some of us fanatically.
No one ever explains to me definitely why they like this. It's always this vague "uniqueness", "interpretation" or "expression". I realize he appeals to people fanatically, and those people always coin it in terms of "PERSONALLY there's just something about him etc etc etc" and I'm not into that. If one doesn't happen to get the whole Bostridge gimmick that doesn't fly. Music is not a subjective art. WHAT is unique about this singer that is definitive or positive? I want to know.
I guess I don't understand what someone could mean by saying, "music is not a subjective art." The most accurate rendition of a text is NOT necessarily the best. But since you asked, the answer is that IB has the facial expressions and twitches of a highly intelligent sensitive person. Its the look in the eyes and in the way he moves. When he was younger he also had that "choir boy" churchy quality too which evoked the adolescent boys in "Winterreise" and "Die Schone Mullerin."
What I mean is that there's no specificity with music, so everyone gets away with being terrible at it. Unlike the sciences, people get around intelligent discourse about music by addressing it without objective criteria. I mean, you are literally telling me that you like this singer because his "twitches" make him seem "highly intelligent" and "sensitive". Sensitive singing makes someone a sensitive singer, and facial expressions are silent. You are saying nothing about his singing.
@jaketaz You realise that this is at the proms, so microphones would be necessary, as the performance would be simultaneously broadcast live on Radio 3?
@jaketaz You haven't ever listened to him live, have you? Besides, Dalla Sua Pace does not require a heldentenor-type power; listen to the orchestra...piano to mezzo piano.
I saw him in a recital, about ten rows back in a small hall. This before I had any knowledge of singing, and I thought he was the greatest thing I'd ever seen. I know more now, & am aware of his vocal limitations and shortcuts. The orchestration IS thin, the fact remains that this is an opera aria written to be sung without amplification in an opera house. You're agreeing with me: it requires a small tenor for small orchestration, and he still can't do it without a microphone.
Huh, I guess that's why when they broadcast operas from the Met, the singers have microphones right in front of them. Oh wait... they don't, because they don't need them, because they can project.
@jaketaz Foolish comment; the MET singers have microphones clipped to their costumes; how would you else record a performance? Also, our Symphony Orchestra here in town regularly has a dozen of microphones placed on stage, some of them just in front of the brass. Is that because the trumpets (and the whole orchestra) cannot project sound enough so that we can hear it in our brand new hall, or simply because they are broadcasting the concert on radio?
Berlin Staatsoper, St. Petersburg, Chicago Lyric, La Scala, Indiana University Opera Theater, SFO, ENO, and many other houses record the singers from microphones hung from the ceiling or at the lip of the stage by the monitors, which record the sound as it is heard by an audience with live feedback and ambience, so it's foolish of you to think there's no way to record or broadcast but a mic right in the singer's face.
Why are you even bringing up the mics? My comment was about Bostridge's inadequacies as a singer, and his wimpy instrument that he masks by being a swaying fruitcake onstage. I said to some other replier "find me a clip of him projecting live in an opera to prove me wrong" to no answer. The fact that they're broadcasting doesn't prove he doesn't require microphones to sound good, and he's not even close to the intelligent savior of classical singing people make him out to be.
@jaketaz Wow.... yes, Bostridge has a small voice. I will never understand why people hate small-voiced singers so much. Hell, Pavarotti had a small voice, when comparing to Domingo, Gigli, Caruso, and more recently Jonas Kaufman. We need to get over this. Yes, Bostridge has some odd performance habits, but his voice is very pretty... more flush with the english aesthetic than the Italian or German one, but still beautiful! referring to his voice as wimpy highlights the bias.
I don't believe he has a small voice, I believe it appears that way because of his choices. Sung volume is created through breath pressure and resonance, something Pav Domingo Gigli and Caruso were aware of and exploited to great effect, and Bostridge doesn't. My comments have nothing to do with voice size, I dislike him because of the conscious choices he makes, NOT because of his biological assets - that would be unfair.
@jaketaz a singer can definitely change air flow and placement to appear louder. I'm telling you that Bostridge naturally has a very small voice. He's classified as a leggiero tenor. Additionally, Dalla sua pace is not the sort of song where you'd add extra air to appear louder. It's supposed to sound easy and light... It's easy to fall into the trap of making everything louder than it ought to be. "Pav" fell into this trap. I'm sorry... he's a small voice.
I don't want everything louder than it ought to be, I want music intended to be well-projected without amplification in a large hall to be performed by performers that have that ability.
You seem to know singing, so tell me what happens when you sway around like a maniac & have poor posture. Tell me what causes his lack of vibrato in the soft sections, & erratic vibrato in the loud sections. Diagnose it as if he were your student, & tell me you couldn't improve his projection.
@jaketaz ...And you can hear him quite well obviously, since you can point all all the details you believe to be flaws. He has that ability... He's just no Jonas Kaufman.
Swaying around like a maniac/poor posture is definitely a problem, especially for young singers. Strong singers (i believe Bostridge to be one) however often use gesture or bad vocal posture to forward a point (Callas is a perfect example.) I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt that he is making that choice.
Just because his flaws are glaring doesn't mean he's projecting well.
You're being critical, but stopping before you find something wrong with a singer you like. His head is cocked down (limiting space and airflow in the trachea) for the vast majority of the aria.
So he's making a dramatic choice to sway constantly through an aria about "peace"? I'm not sure he's brilliant enough to have figured out some way in which this aria actually means the opposite of its text.
@jaketaz removing vibrato is often another musical tool in the Baroque and Classical eras to highlight certain words or musical idioms. He uses it more often than i like, but again, he being a singer with an impressive ability in my opinion for lighter repertoire, i'm not willing to get on my high horse and tell him how to sing Mozart just like he shouldn't tell me how to sing the heavier stuff. I could make him louder in lessons, but i wouldn't want to for this intimate and delicate piece.
In the Baroque, vibrato was used sparingly as an expressive device and the rule of thumb was straight tone. Now the opposite is true.
My opinion is that he's not impressive in any repertoire. Again, you seem to know a thing or two, and I don't believe that you are actually so hard up for good recordings that you actually believe his vocal technique is acceptable. "High horse" and "high standards" aren't the same thing.
@jaketaz This piece was not done with amplification. You can check if you like, but all speakers in the PROMS house were off for this performance. That mic is for the radio, as several other people seem to have tried to impress on you. Having been at the performance, i can attest to this.
I said to some other replier "find me a clip of him projecting live in an opera to prove me wrong" to no answer. The fact that they're broadcasting doesn't prove he doesn't require microphones to sound good, and he's not even close to the intelligent savior of classical singing people make him out to be.
This guy's voice is perfect for this aria. But does anybody notice how horribly distracting his hands are through the entire performance. Very unprofessional no excuses.
@dbpower43 His hands, and everything really....he makes strange faces, sings out of the side of his mouth, and sways like 3 feet in any given direction.
@coreolis7 What? No video of you performing this aria as of yet? And you're right, half of the world only need to spread their snatch and take it from a member of the superior sex. And I don't know why you criticize his hands, you don't have anyone in the world who would ever want to get near you, so I'm sure you find your hands very useful and not "distracting," after all, how else would you ever get sexually stimulated?
Thanks very much for the recommendations, I need the advice because I am new to bel canto singing and don't know where to begin. I am enthralled by Ian Bostridge at one minute, and indifferent the next. He's a puzzler in that way--- occassionally spectacular, often awkward, nervous. Thanks for the benefit of your experience and knowledge.
@TheVerdiBaritone Well the fact is Don Ottavio is not a lyric role. While it may interesting to hear Bjorling and Wunderlich sing Dalla, it is meant for leggieri. (Alva, for example, is actually a leggiero).
in terms of pronunciation of the text, and interpretation of the music, bostridge is really in his own league. While some might say his tone lacks a fully body, (for the character of this aria its perfect) i guess theres some compromise for the elegance and purity with which he sings
Absolutely agree with Jaaakob ,mannerisms.pretentious singing.False artistry,promising with his mannerisms what he cant do with the instrument.Very limited range,love to here him do Almaviva or even Nemorino.Or rather I wouldnt.
"Promising with his mannerisms what he can't do with his instrument" - I'm stealing that quote. I was trash talking another famous bad singer on YouTube (probably Villazon) and somebody said "His personality is too big for his instrument"... I thought that was another funny way of putting it. But yeah, I'm stealing that from you.
@AustinShowen His technique is 'suited', not flawless. Definitely not suited or flawless when measured against the requirements of this music. In general I would say that his voice lacks the ability of modulation to a more robust and dramatically inclined voice handling. I am not saying he is naturally inept at this, but he hasn't displayed it as of yet.
As a result, he excels at the genres he focuses on, and not so much in the other ones. Fritz Wunderlich, I think, had integrity in both fields.
So pretentious and artsy imo.. can't stand this kind of rendition. No, you aren't entitled to sing Mozart just because you sing lightly and brightly. Don Ottavio is a distraught man, desperate to aid his beloved - this is not what I feel when I see mr Bostridge. The character Don Ottavio is weak - the music and the lyrics are not imo.
@BernardProfitendieu I don't consider myself to be either. Please elaborate instead of participating in the general sling-shit mood of YT.
I clearly spelled out what I thought, and I expect you do me the courtesy of offering opposing ideas, and if you don't - well, the egg is on your face :)
Bostridge has integrity when singing earlier music thanks to his purely beautiful tone and stylistic approach. Operatic singing, in short, requires a darker, more supported & bearing tone. IB fails imo.
@Jaaakob calling someone's singing "pretentious" or "artsy" isn't explained by a discussion of tone, Sounds more like "participating in the general sling-shit mood of YT."
and speaking of entitlement to sing is just plain misguided
@BernardProfitendieu But it is. If you don't see the mannerisms then I don't know what to say. He and acts & sings in a way that just isn't in line with the meaning of the words. I explained myself earlier, with several arguments to back up my opinion - you still haven't presented anything to strengthen your view. In fact, you don't have one as of yet.
I don't argue that one should be entitled to different things. But it is ignorant to not recognize that different genres pose different demands.
@BernardProfitendieu You've got a strong case there, especially seeing as english isn't my first language. But you're right, that really makes all the difference.
Now there is absolutely no doubt - you're just one more of those irksome persons who want to participate in a discussion, but lack any substance or argument to do so. So you say something rude and scour replies for anything you can make a retort on that has nothing to do with the matter at hand.
He should, and I mean this seriously, just do recordings. Too bad. He is a handsome dude.
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jaketaz 2 months ago
not every tenor has a voice like wunderlich gedda, dermota etc. but mr bestrides behaving on stage is against the words and the music he is singing. also his italian is not good enough, better he should sing other music. or he should try to sing it in english and for sure he would realize, that his stage manners are not adequate to dalla sue pace
caralcindo 2 months ago
listen to recordings of:
Pavarotti, Wunderlich, Krauss- >then again this one and you know how to vote... no comments....
derbernd7 2 months ago
What a pompous bunch of comments! I hope you all can sing it better then this beautiful, musical, artistic performance. I suppose you would also criticize Pavarotti's use of the handkerchief.
clehman84 3 months ago
In an attempt to be HIP, Bostridge is a bit too mannered. Seems to have lost the line for the details. I mean, there should be some sighing inflection through a phrase, but the tone can't disappear completely! For example, what is going on at 1:30? And that appoggiatura at 1:16... just sounds like he's out of breath. Disappoint.
705JRC 3 months ago
very nice!!
tenorperuano1 3 months ago
I like his singing but I can't stand his constant moving. I can't imagine how unbearable must be to see him performing an entire opera. Where's the old art of recitali singning? It seems it's not taught anymore in the schools and the old standard is being discontinued. I have to say the same thing happen to me with Juan Diego Florez. While I like (don´t love) his singing, I can´t stand watching him.
alexgomez2 4 months ago
I think Bostridge is a good singer, but not in this kind of repertoire.
peter21century 4 months ago
I think, Mozart would have liked him very much. What I like about Bostridge is his singularity, he´s unique and a singers singer, not a mainstream product.
100Singers 8 months ago
@100Singers
If he is not a mainstream product, then why are the vast majority of his clips (audio and video) done with microphones and electronic amplification? Mozart always knew the singers he wrote roles for, and wrote for the most virtuosic and impressive singers of his day, people that didn't need the crutch of a microphone, singers that sang opera without gadgets masking their inadequacies. Singers that could actually sing opera live in an opera house.
jaketaz 7 months ago
@jaketaz
What Bostridge isn't is LOUD. I just like how interesting he is, not conventional. He is unique, and not in a bad way. For those who struggle long and hard to do things right, it must be terribly frustrating to watch somebody succeed by doing it all wrong. You can sometimes see the other tenors growling in the background, "Why isnt it me up there?" But he is expressive in a way that appeals to some of us fanatically.
coreolis7 7 months ago
@coreolis7
No one ever explains to me definitely why they like this. It's always this vague "uniqueness", "interpretation" or "expression". I realize he appeals to people fanatically, and those people always coin it in terms of "PERSONALLY there's just something about him etc etc etc" and I'm not into that. If one doesn't happen to get the whole Bostridge gimmick that doesn't fly. Music is not a subjective art. WHAT is unique about this singer that is definitive or positive? I want to know.
jaketaz 7 months ago
@jaketaz
I guess I don't understand what someone could mean by saying, "music is not a subjective art." The most accurate rendition of a text is NOT necessarily the best. But since you asked, the answer is that IB has the facial expressions and twitches of a highly intelligent sensitive person. Its the look in the eyes and in the way he moves. When he was younger he also had that "choir boy" churchy quality too which evoked the adolescent boys in "Winterreise" and "Die Schone Mullerin."
coreolis7 7 months ago
@coreolis7
What I mean is that there's no specificity with music, so everyone gets away with being terrible at it. Unlike the sciences, people get around intelligent discourse about music by addressing it without objective criteria. I mean, you are literally telling me that you like this singer because his "twitches" make him seem "highly intelligent" and "sensitive". Sensitive singing makes someone a sensitive singer, and facial expressions are silent. You are saying nothing about his singing.
jaketaz 7 months ago
@jaketaz You realise that this is at the proms, so microphones would be necessary, as the performance would be simultaneously broadcast live on Radio 3?
olialto7 5 months ago
@jaketaz You haven't ever listened to him live, have you? Besides, Dalla Sua Pace does not require a heldentenor-type power; listen to the orchestra...piano to mezzo piano.
LordHettrick 4 months ago
@LordHettrick
I saw him in a recital, about ten rows back in a small hall. This before I had any knowledge of singing, and I thought he was the greatest thing I'd ever seen. I know more now, & am aware of his vocal limitations and shortcuts. The orchestration IS thin, the fact remains that this is an opera aria written to be sung without amplification in an opera house. You're agreeing with me: it requires a small tenor for small orchestration, and he still can't do it without a microphone.
jaketaz 4 months ago
@jaketaz No, the microphone is for broadcasting, not amplification.
LordHettrick 4 months ago
@LordHettrick
Huh, I guess that's why when they broadcast operas from the Met, the singers have microphones right in front of them. Oh wait... they don't, because they don't need them, because they can project.
jaketaz 4 months ago
@jaketaz Foolish comment; the MET singers have microphones clipped to their costumes; how would you else record a performance? Also, our Symphony Orchestra here in town regularly has a dozen of microphones placed on stage, some of them just in front of the brass. Is that because the trumpets (and the whole orchestra) cannot project sound enough so that we can hear it in our brand new hall, or simply because they are broadcasting the concert on radio?
LordHettrick 4 months ago
@LordHettrick
Berlin Staatsoper, St. Petersburg, Chicago Lyric, La Scala, Indiana University Opera Theater, SFO, ENO, and many other houses record the singers from microphones hung from the ceiling or at the lip of the stage by the monitors, which record the sound as it is heard by an audience with live feedback and ambience, so it's foolish of you to think there's no way to record or broadcast but a mic right in the singer's face.
jaketaz 4 months ago
@LordHettrick
Why are you even bringing up the mics? My comment was about Bostridge's inadequacies as a singer, and his wimpy instrument that he masks by being a swaying fruitcake onstage. I said to some other replier "find me a clip of him projecting live in an opera to prove me wrong" to no answer. The fact that they're broadcasting doesn't prove he doesn't require microphones to sound good, and he's not even close to the intelligent savior of classical singing people make him out to be.
jaketaz 4 months ago
@jaketaz Wow.... yes, Bostridge has a small voice. I will never understand why people hate small-voiced singers so much. Hell, Pavarotti had a small voice, when comparing to Domingo, Gigli, Caruso, and more recently Jonas Kaufman. We need to get over this. Yes, Bostridge has some odd performance habits, but his voice is very pretty... more flush with the english aesthetic than the Italian or German one, but still beautiful! referring to his voice as wimpy highlights the bias.
krossk424 2 months ago
@krossk424
I don't believe he has a small voice, I believe it appears that way because of his choices. Sung volume is created through breath pressure and resonance, something Pav Domingo Gigli and Caruso were aware of and exploited to great effect, and Bostridge doesn't. My comments have nothing to do with voice size, I dislike him because of the conscious choices he makes, NOT because of his biological assets - that would be unfair.
jaketaz 2 months ago
@jaketaz a singer can definitely change air flow and placement to appear louder. I'm telling you that Bostridge naturally has a very small voice. He's classified as a leggiero tenor. Additionally, Dalla sua pace is not the sort of song where you'd add extra air to appear louder. It's supposed to sound easy and light... It's easy to fall into the trap of making everything louder than it ought to be. "Pav" fell into this trap. I'm sorry... he's a small voice.
krossk424 2 months ago
@krossk424
I don't want everything louder than it ought to be, I want music intended to be well-projected without amplification in a large hall to be performed by performers that have that ability.
You seem to know singing, so tell me what happens when you sway around like a maniac & have poor posture. Tell me what causes his lack of vibrato in the soft sections, & erratic vibrato in the loud sections. Diagnose it as if he were your student, & tell me you couldn't improve his projection.
jaketaz 2 months ago
@jaketaz ...And you can hear him quite well obviously, since you can point all all the details you believe to be flaws. He has that ability... He's just no Jonas Kaufman.
Swaying around like a maniac/poor posture is definitely a problem, especially for young singers. Strong singers (i believe Bostridge to be one) however often use gesture or bad vocal posture to forward a point (Callas is a perfect example.) I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt that he is making that choice.
krossk424 2 months ago
@krossk424
Just because his flaws are glaring doesn't mean he's projecting well.
You're being critical, but stopping before you find something wrong with a singer you like. His head is cocked down (limiting space and airflow in the trachea) for the vast majority of the aria.
So he's making a dramatic choice to sway constantly through an aria about "peace"? I'm not sure he's brilliant enough to have figured out some way in which this aria actually means the opposite of its text.
jaketaz 2 months ago
@jaketaz removing vibrato is often another musical tool in the Baroque and Classical eras to highlight certain words or musical idioms. He uses it more often than i like, but again, he being a singer with an impressive ability in my opinion for lighter repertoire, i'm not willing to get on my high horse and tell him how to sing Mozart just like he shouldn't tell me how to sing the heavier stuff. I could make him louder in lessons, but i wouldn't want to for this intimate and delicate piece.
krossk424 2 months ago
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In the Baroque, vibrato was used sparingly as an expressive device and the rule of thumb was straight tone. Now the opposite is true.
My opinion is that he's not impressive in any repertoire. Again, you seem to know a thing or two, and I don't believe that you are actually so hard up for good recordings that you actually believe his vocal technique is acceptable. "High horse" and "high standards" aren't the same thing.
jaketaz 2 months ago
@jaketaz This piece was not done with amplification. You can check if you like, but all speakers in the PROMS house were off for this performance. That mic is for the radio, as several other people seem to have tried to impress on you. Having been at the performance, i can attest to this.
krossk424 2 months ago
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I said to some other replier "find me a clip of him projecting live in an opera to prove me wrong" to no answer. The fact that they're broadcasting doesn't prove he doesn't require microphones to sound good, and he's not even close to the intelligent savior of classical singing people make him out to be.
jaketaz 2 months ago
@alexmusic13 ahahahaaahaha giusto l'intonazione si può salvare un pò!
ciavattarmy 10 months ago
fail.
jovi1715 11 months ago
Buffone
labirintodivetro 1 year ago
This guy's voice is perfect for this aria. But does anybody notice how horribly distracting his hands are through the entire performance. Very unprofessional no excuses.
dbpower43 1 year ago
@dbpower43 His hands, and everything really....he makes strange faces, sings out of the side of his mouth, and sways like 3 feet in any given direction.
peduzzi89 10 months ago
@peduzzi89 Yes exactly! I don't understand why he is allowed to get away with it.
dbpower43 10 months ago
@dbpower43 let's see how you would do it! Post a video you dickless bitch.
Goregunzoleuh 7 months ago
@Goregunzoleuh Please dont get anatomically abusive with your musical tastes. Half the world is "dickless" and find it much less inconvenient.
coreolis7 7 months ago
@coreolis7 What? No video of you performing this aria as of yet? And you're right, half of the world only need to spread their snatch and take it from a member of the superior sex. And I don't know why you criticize his hands, you don't have anyone in the world who would ever want to get near you, so I'm sure you find your hands very useful and not "distracting," after all, how else would you ever get sexually stimulated?
Goregunzoleuh 7 months ago
no no no no!
mistatomsom 1 year ago
Please! listen to some of the fine lyric tenors: Gedda, Bjoerling, Tagliavini, Burrows, Alva, Wunderlich....
TheVerdiBaritone 1 year ago 2
@TheVerdiBaritone I agree with your recommendations. I would add Gösta Winbergh, as well - if you can find the videos.
sidavidsida 10 months ago
@TheVerdiBaritone
Thanks very much for the recommendations, I need the advice because I am new to bel canto singing and don't know where to begin. I am enthralled by Ian Bostridge at one minute, and indifferent the next. He's a puzzler in that way--- occassionally spectacular, often awkward, nervous. Thanks for the benefit of your experience and knowledge.
Spanglefeather 9 months ago in playlist Vocal Solos
@TheVerdiBaritone Well the fact is Don Ottavio is not a lyric role. While it may interesting to hear Bjorling and Wunderlich sing Dalla, it is meant for leggieri. (Alva, for example, is actually a leggiero).
jrjorgensen2519 8 months ago
Transporting. He is .
TheJbach 1 year ago
in terms of pronunciation of the text, and interpretation of the music, bostridge is really in his own league. While some might say his tone lacks a fully body, (for the character of this aria its perfect) i guess theres some compromise for the elegance and purity with which he sings
idwtbiinitwog 1 year ago
wonderful. Ian B is ballin.
MrGOPERA 1 year ago
Bravissimo!
I am very astonished to hear Ian to sing my favourite tenor aria of Don Giovanni so beautiful!
Hanswernerhenzefan 1 year ago
bravo, molto bravo.
solredoc 1 year ago
I love Bostridge, but i prefer when he sings schubert lied, bach arias, etc...Not good.
Very baroque.
linow666 1 year ago
Penoso!! Una tecnica men che dilettantesca. In definitiva un tenore da bar di periferia.
gialli10 1 year ago
Povero Mozart!
hizan08 1 year ago 2
Absolutely agree with Jaaakob ,mannerisms.pretentious singing.False artistry,promising with his mannerisms what he cant do with the instrument.Very limited range,love to here him do Almaviva or even Nemorino.Or rather I wouldnt.
glister80 1 year ago
@glister80
"Promising with his mannerisms what he can't do with his instrument" - I'm stealing that quote. I was trash talking another famous bad singer on YouTube (probably Villazon) and somebody said "His personality is too big for his instrument"... I thought that was another funny way of putting it. But yeah, I'm stealing that from you.
jaketaz 4 months ago
Brilliant performance from Mr. Bostridge--he's my favorite tenor! His technique is flawless!
AustinShowen 1 year ago
@AustinShowen His technique is 'suited', not flawless. Definitely not suited or flawless when measured against the requirements of this music. In general I would say that his voice lacks the ability of modulation to a more robust and dramatically inclined voice handling. I am not saying he is naturally inept at this, but he hasn't displayed it as of yet.
As a result, he excels at the genres he focuses on, and not so much in the other ones. Fritz Wunderlich, I think, had integrity in both fields.
Jaaakob 1 year ago
@Jaaakob Fritz was exuberant, and Ian ethereal.
TheJbach 1 year ago
mannerism mannerism mannerism
So pretentious and artsy imo.. can't stand this kind of rendition. No, you aren't entitled to sing Mozart just because you sing lightly and brightly. Don Ottavio is a distraught man, desperate to aid his beloved - this is not what I feel when I see mr Bostridge. The character Don Ottavio is weak - the music and the lyrics are not imo.
Jaaakob 1 year ago
@Jaaakob are you an imbecile, or merely a moron?
BernardProfitendieu 1 year ago
@BernardProfitendieu I don't consider myself to be either. Please elaborate instead of participating in the general sling-shit mood of YT.
I clearly spelled out what I thought, and I expect you do me the courtesy of offering opposing ideas, and if you don't - well, the egg is on your face :)
Bostridge has integrity when singing earlier music thanks to his purely beautiful tone and stylistic approach. Operatic singing, in short, requires a darker, more supported & bearing tone. IB fails imo.
Jaaakob 1 year ago
@Jaaakob calling someone's singing "pretentious" or "artsy" isn't explained by a discussion of tone, Sounds more like "participating in the general sling-shit mood of YT."
and speaking of entitlement to sing is just plain misguided
BernardProfitendieu 1 year ago
@BernardProfitendieu But it is. If you don't see the mannerisms then I don't know what to say. He and acts & sings in a way that just isn't in line with the meaning of the words. I explained myself earlier, with several arguments to back up my opinion - you still haven't presented anything to strengthen your view. In fact, you don't have one as of yet.
I don't argue that one should be entitled to different things. But it is ignorant to not recognize that different genres pose different demands.
Jaaakob 1 year ago 2
@Jaaakob I guess you answered my original question: imbecile it is!
BernardProfitendieu 1 year ago
@BernardProfitendieu Wow - you really got me there. I'm completely speechless. I bow down in awe of your originality and surpreme logic.
Who do you figure looks like an idiot now? Hint: it ain't me.
Jaaakob 1 year ago
@Jaaakob not knowing how to spell "supreme" isn't helping your case
BernardProfitendieu 1 year ago
@BernardProfitendieu You've got a strong case there, especially seeing as english isn't my first language. But you're right, that really makes all the difference.
Now there is absolutely no doubt - you're just one more of those irksome persons who want to participate in a discussion, but lack any substance or argument to do so. So you say something rude and scour replies for anything you can make a retort on that has nothing to do with the matter at hand.
Jaaakob 1 year ago
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I bet he would sound good if he learned how to sing rather than make faces.
vanstan73 1 year ago
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I bet he would sound good if he learned how to sing rather than make faces.
vanstan73 1 year ago 2
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I bet he would sound good if he learned how to sing rather than make faces.
vanstan73 1 year ago
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I bet he would sound good if he learned how to sing rather than make faces.
vanstan73 1 year ago
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I bet he would sound good if he learned how to sing rather than make faces.
vanstan73 1 year ago
I bet he would sound good if he learned how to sing rather than make faces.
vanstan73 1 year ago
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I bet he would sound good if he learned how to sing rather than make faces.
vanstan73 1 year ago
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I bet he would sound good if he learned how to sing rather than make faces.
vanstan73 1 year ago
Bravo
macneil24a 1 year ago
he should stick to haendel.
Elried 2 years ago
:| .... no comment
Turee85 2 years ago