I am quite surprised at Dawkins' naive view of the world. He claims we live in a nice world, with all humans being nice to one another. This is absolutely not the case, as humans are at war at all levels of society colminating into global war. Our whole society is based on envy, lust, greed, violence, not being nice. Of course if he tells the truth, folks would not tolerate is incessant babbling....
I love the mussel exception... I have used it many times before when I mocked vegans that didn't seem to understand that killing clams is not immoral. If you could grow meat and it not cost $1000 per kg then I would switch rather quickly. I would also support eating smaller brained animals. That is one of the reasons i prefer not to eat pork. I bet you could artificially select stupid cows until you had just meat bags that eat grass and i would go further and say this would make cow cheaper
@CharlesNauck "If you could grow meat and it not cost $1000 per kg then I would switch rather quickly"
We can, it is called vegetables, nuts, beans, potatoes. These foods are meaty and can be prepared in ways that offer a tremendous hunger satisfaction, with excellent nutrition and cruelty-free. We only have to experiment a bit and find plant foods that serve uis best. We do not have to live another day like our cruel society teaches us. It is easy, it is natural, it is healthy, it is vegan <3
HAHAHA one meat is an important part of your diet (it is way over abused becase of how important and hard to get it once was) we wouldnt have evolved large brains without it... studies have show a vegan that eats a small amount of meat has an increase of IQ points (again you dont need a lot in your diet)... Two if you could make those things no one would be fighting you on the issue because it is so much cheaper to farm then to herd.
@CharlesNauck I was serious. You were making excuses that something external needs to happen for you to change and I wanted you to know that you are simply making excuses.
Actually meat is a major reason man's health today is failing: watch?v=yfsT-qYeqGM
As to your silly brain hypothesis: if it were true, lions would be able to compose symphonies and elephants would not have cognitive recognition of things from yesterday, much less 20 years ago. Right?
Three I love my veggies and i can make them kinda taste like meat but usually it has to be cooked with meat to pull it off... if you could give me a steak made from whatever and it tasted like steak I wouldnt care if it was vegan or not. Maybe you forgot what meat tastes like?
Four it isnt cruelty free I dont know what you think happens to mice in a corn field but it isnt TLC
Five it isnt natural 5 million years of meat eating is bred into us
@CharlesNauck "veggies and can make them kinda taste like meat but usually it has to be cooked with meat to pull it off" Add potato chunks or sweet potato chunks instead of chicken, add soaked ground walnuts instead of burger, add chickpeas instead of pork, if you learn how to prepare these right they are much more satifying than the "real" thing and you do not have to rape and torture any sentient beings to get them!
@CharlesNauck "if you could give me a steak made from whatever and it tasted like steak I wouldnt care if it was vegan or not" Well you hit on the heart of the problem: pleasure. That is a problem of the mind, not of the body. Caught in a cycle of _pleasure_, and its eternal lover _fear_, it is hard to see this objectively. Watch Earthlings and tell me if human need to find another way and whether or not your petty pleasure is justified: watch?v=FHA4HNbmDLg
@CharlesNauck "Four it isnt cruelty free I dont know what you think happens to mice in a corn field but it isnt TLC" That is one of intent, right? There is no ill intent against the field mouse, most of which die from the crop farming to feed livestock, right? There is certainly the intent with livestock to enslave, exploit, rape, torture and mutilate them for your pleasure.
@CharlesNauck " Maybe you forgot what meat tastes like?" That is what happened to me. I detoxed, I removed all animal products, fasted a few times, and within a few weeks meat no longer looked or smelled like food. I saw it for the repulsive, digusting filth that it is. And I was a life long hunter and fisherman! It's rotting carcass parts, man! This is what keeps Dawkins from seeing what Singer is talking about: his pleasure bias. Remove the fear/pleasure cycle and you'll see it for what it is.
Detoxed??? BWAHAHAHAHA I dont even need to respond to your appeal to authority that you wrote above... after reading that I will not bother writing anymore you are believer in magic. Detox is hippie slang for magical effect... you clearly have duped yourself into a placebo effect. Why dont you try the paleo diet? It works even better at detoxing your body PFFT. I read down below and more detox this I dont understand biology that. Plants grow out of human feces you know.
@CharlesNauck "I dont even need to respond to your appeal to authority that you wrote above..." And yet you keep arguing away like a child caught in a tantrum.
@CharlesNauck "appeal to authority that you wrote " You mean my personal, eyewitness testimony? But is it not an appeal to authority to cite something you read about humans millions of years ago? I mean you weren't there, right?
@CharlesNauck "after reading that I will not bother writing anymore you are believer in magic" Yeah, I believe in the magic of removing the toxins and carcinogens from my body. Things caused by this: cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/Risk/cooked-meats
And this: watch?v=yfsT-qYeqGM
Also at the same time a couple years ago I quit alcohol, which is certain a toxin. These toxins are in your blood, in your bones, they must be purged,
@CharlesNauck "BWAHAHAHAHAHA" There are at least 3 stages of change of change: laughter, violent oppisition, and acceptance. You are caught in two of them.
@CharlesNauck " you clearly have duped yourself into a placebo effect." That is a theory to you, right? You have to invent theories about it to pretend you understand. I see things first hand. Theories obstruct observation. I did not even know what vegan was when I detoxified my body from the death and sickness that you ingest daily.
@CharlesNauck "Why dont you try the paleo diet?" I have evolved from that. Why would I go backwards? I found my natural, 100% healthy, compassionate diet. It works. It ain't broke, so I don't need to fix it.
@CharlesNauck "Plants grow out of human feces you know." Though I do not see lots of humans out in veggie fields squatting, even if it were true, don't you eat out the filthy rotting asses of cows and chickens and hogs? LOL
@CharlesNauck "Five it isnt natural 5 million years of meat eating is bred into us" Eating the rotting flesh of innocent sentient animals is certainly bred into us, but it does not follow that it is natural. Simply because something is done by most humans for a long time does not make it natural, righteous, justified, does it? But let's not hypothesize like children about 5 milions years in the past, let us look as men today for ourselves. Please tell me how this is natural: watch?v=FHA4HNbmDLg
Hypothesize? You know nothing of the evolution of man I see. Let me explain this real slow I was speaking of Chimps (of which we share a common ancestor) they will eat meat, Australopithecus (which has be suggested to have ate meat), Homo habilis was known to eat meat. Homo erectus ate meat... our cousin the Neanderthal ate meat. And there is a indication that with larger meat diet the brain grows. Righteous /=/ Natural you are starting to seem like a moron
@CharlesNauck "You know nothing of the evolution of man I see" Well perhaps you can teach us all something about it. While we wait, I will tell you I know enuf about evolution to know what Charles Darwin himself concluded about man's natural diet. Do you know? Turns out ole Chuck concluded that man evolved to be a vegan!
@CharlesNauck Is your argument that if chimps do something then it is acceptable behavior you? LOL Sorry, buddy, I have higher standards in my life than that :)
@CharlesNauck "Righteous /=/ Natural you are starting to seem like a moron" Well tell me how to not be a moron. Do I start with the petty childish name calling or do I ease into it? ;)
If you wanted to be healthy i suggest adding a clam or two to some of your dishes that would be cruelty free and healthier (I think you can get farm raised mussels if you want to avoid mercury and other polutants). I just couldnt live off of that.
@CharlesNauck I am not arguing a moral position. Even if clams or mollusks in general did not suffer you are still feeding on the bottom of the bottom feeders - all the piss and shit of the ocean goes into those slimey sluggy creatures, in addition to all the toxins and heavy metals that are dumped into their environment by man. Not going in my body; sorry.
@CharlesNauck How smart are vegans? Some of the most brilliant scientists, artists, industrialists in history were vegan, or very strict vegetarian, including Plato, Da Vinci, Newton, Darwin, Einstein, Edison, Ford; you know, real heavy weights that make Dawkins appear as an incessantly whining school boy :)
LOL "human roadkill" Officer: "So if you overran that man with your car, where on earth is the body??" Roadkiller: "I ate it. It didn't have feelings anymore." :-D
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@nsugathadasa I'm not sure I'd go as far as saying, "I have so much respect for people who accept it's bad to eat meat but continue eating meat." However, when most people discover that I'm vegan, they often try to 'excuse' their meat-eating even though, during the course of the discussion, I often "detect" an under-lying feeling of "I feel guilty but don't feel I could give it up."
I would imagine it would be easier than they think but that's from my own experience of being me!
@nsugathadasa It is agreeable that its a good stance to take in term of opinion nevertheless merely having this stance isn't going to make a difference as such, a logical example would be if a person had slaves in the 18th century but admitted it was wrong, it might be good that they admit it but its still wrong, wouldn't you agree? I mean its better but still hasn't surpassed a level of morality which is considered ethical, its still the wrong thing to do in my opinion.
@AntiSpeciesistWorld I agree with you absolutely. I should have said, it is much less worse to eat meat and accept that it is wrong to do so, than to eat meat and say it is my god given right to eat meat. The best moral position I believe is to be vagan.
I was respecting Dawkins for the way he talks the truth and accept that he is wrong and less moral. As you might know there are many people who do not even accept that eating meat is wrong.
Animals are slowly gaining more rights as more and more laws are coming in to help animals, such as the banning of animal circuses in China in 2010 and in 2012 there's the banning of veal in Arizona and the banning of bullfighting in Catalonia.
If this trend continues as it probably will, it seems to make perfect sense we will inevitably reach the point in which the line is passed and animal slaughter is banned like the coming of the singularity, a moment in history which will hopefully come
@deanmullen10 At the moment I eat meat and hunt but I guess I'm an addict. I think if I were to have children I'd probably go vegetarian so they never have the addiction and desire to eat meat, thus the trend of eating animals will stop at my point of my genetic line instead of carrying on perhaps infinitely. I think a lot of people deep down feel the same way you do. Unlike others I just admit it, and even acknowledge it to myself which a lot of people don't.
@avaizhashmi I think you have a point when you say "Atheism and veganism" go hand in hand. Although I wouldn't say they're bed-fellows. I think one reason is that both are going against society's norms and often against what one was brought up to believe and if one actually thinks thingsthrough as opposed to simply accepting the status quo, one will do so on other issues.
@Baldmother Indeed, 24:00 to 28:00 is my favorite part (infanticide). Anyway, a couple of things: 1. Singer and Lady Gaga are grotesque. 2. Dawkins admits infanticide and say he won’t debate Craig for similar reasons? Come on... 3. More interesting, several times Dawkins agrees with Singer but notes he worries about limits. Sure thing, however, this is coming from the same man who loves continuums and criticizes those with “discontinuous minds”. Except when it suits him right?
@Badwolf182 So, say you have a daughter that you love more than life itself. You live in Congo and she's now 11. Last night she got gangraped when she went to the bathroom at night by 14 soldiers. Not only is she now a child that's pregnant but she also got AIDS, meaning her fetus will be infected and her whole life miserable. You will make your child, a 'gift from God', keep her sick fetus (couple of cells at this stage) at 11 because she got raped by other 'God's children'?
@sansewai yep I would keep the baby since the baby didnt do anything wrong. BTW why do u all make these bizaare scenarios when 99.99999% of abortions are done in the west for selfish reasons!!!
@Badwolf182 I think it's more cruel you'd ruin your daughter's life completely because you think aborting a bunch of cells in a membrane is murder. Or maybe Jesus came up with that one for you, I'm not sure at this stage. We'll have to agree to disagree.
@sansewai wow humans are a bunch of cells? we are far more than a bunch of cells. Putting a frog inside a blender is also a bunch of cells - try putting it back together see if u can get a frog. If we were a bunch of cells how come we have an innate sense of good/evil or a soul. yes we can agree to disagree
@Badwolf182 From the day of conception and up until a month or so we are still a bunch of cells, I don't think I need to explain how an embryo evolves though different stages of pregnancy. And in that time you'll most probably know whether you're pregnant or not. After that certain stage of pregnancy, you can't get an abortion. Also, where abortion is prohibited by law, women still do it and always have done it. It's very traumatising but it's their decision and usually a very smart one.
@Badwolf182 Hate to break it to you but some people do not think that we have a "soul" that is a religious belief, and as far as innate sense of good/evil well, studies have shown that this is likely something that we got from our primate ancestors.
@beckynonono Yes, I realise there are ppl who dont beleive in us having souls. This is a huge area of debate and i guess too much for utube. I think u can guess I dont beleive in the theory of "evolution" and the primate ancesters thing.
listen up you bible thumpers, if you deliberately suspend critical thinking and reason to believe in something without evidence or proof, don't even try to construct an argument that supports your views. its impossible. stay in your bubble of ignorance or open your mind. we are all atheists, some just go one god further. you believe in your god by chance
How can so many people listen to Richard? Although I do not fully agree with Singer, Dawkins is far below his level and is basically just praising him like a hero. Watching this video is like watching a little kid being able to get attention from a teenager and feeling happy about the simple recognition.
Wow, Hitler and Goebbels would be proud. This is an outrage. We are watching actual Nazi propaganda - not from the 1930's, but in 2011. Where is the ADL? Where is Abe Foxman? What buffoonery - look at what this man says at 1:00 in. And you all are talking about vegetarians? Come on people, this man is advocating genocide and eugenics. Call him out for the Nazi that he is.
@Cointelproexposer Do you actually understand Singer's utilitarian ethical theory or read his work? Nowhere does Singer say anything that could be construed as being in suppost of eugenics. He never suggests genocide is acceptable. Everything you're saying amounts to little more than libelous drivel, and you should be ashamed of yourself. If you don't have anything productive to say, shut up.
One more thing, Singer is of Jewish descent, so calling the man a Nazi is, frankly appalling.
@timeinminutes Singer is advocating infanticide - tell me the difference? Do you even understand what he is saying or are u so blinded by his intellectual drivel that common sense has completely left u for brain dead?
BTW SInger a Jew explains everything. They are Satans ppl
@Cointelproexposer yep this lunatic is standing there talking abt murdering little humans and ppl here are supporting him yet they go on abt animal rights and being vegetarian OMG
The last days are upon us. Good men are blind to ways of Satan. Singer talks abt infanticide and ppl are attacking you for pointing out facts
Dawkin's says that Vegetarian food is not that good... Dear God!! This is one of the only things I would disagree with him... EVER! People need to understand that the wealth of great vegetarian food out there is in abundance! Open your eyes people....
@jamesestaniforth LOL, i accidently thumbed your comment down. Anyway, I'm so glad to hear that you've gone with vegetarianism. I am still on track and completely committed.
@WickedJargon I worked at Cargill the summer after my first year of undergrad. it was fucked.. got a tour of the kill floor even though i worked in production, the guy was so stoked to kill the cows, he told me to watch their faces when they die! i nearly put him through the slaughter house. the year after i was introduced to singer in an ethics course.. made me so mad at myself for supporting that shit for a couple bucks. slowly avoiding meat for health/ moral reasons now
Dawkins completely changed the subject when he was asked why he eats meet. I think highly of Dawkins because of his work in evolution and the promotion of science but he, of all people, should be a vegan. He is very aware of the behavior of non-human animals and our similarities to them.
I must say as a hunter whom hunts for quite a majority of my own food, being a vegetarian is only a modern convenience. If we didn't grow veggies on such a large scale as we do now to provide for a world demand, you wouldn't have all of those wonderful vegetables to eat. I'm not trying to be mean, or take a stab at you guys, but when you need to add extra supplements to your diet such as protein Shows me that we are designed to eat a bit of meat. Not all meat obviously, but we do need meat. IMHO
@BrandonStover Did you just use the word "designed" on a Richard Dawkins video? That´s quite the fuck up.
Your opinion doesn´t mean shit. We either need meat or we don´t. We can eat other foods these days, so we don´t need to eat meat. And that´s not my opinion. People can stay alive just fine without eating meat.
By their reasoning it would be much more logical to say that we shouldn't eat humans since we shouldn't animals. I do think animals should be treated well and humanely. If God's word is followed, both humans and creation are respected and we are to treat all well because of the fact that we reflect God's image (Singer/Dawkins don't get this). Obviously, many don't follow this, however. Otherwise, past humans greatly respected the animals they ate while not thinking that they had to be vegans.
I have seen what they do in slaughterhouses and it is disturbing, but I still eat meat. Though I must say, I wish they were more ethical about putting down the animals. From some videos I have seen, the pretty much do what is in the name, and slaughter the animals.
If they put them down in a quick manner where there really wasn't any suffering, I think it would be much better.
@Jscuzza You're a hypocrite. That's all. That's what you are. Killing someone in a less painful manner does not make me feel better about myself. I would still feel a horrible person, and a murderer. Sheer hypocrisy.
@hivahoa121 Doesn't have to make me feel better about it... But at least the animals wont suffer. We aren't talking about killing humans here, but if I were to kill a person, I wouldn't want them to suffer. Not sure how that makes me a hypocrite.
@Jscuzza I don't care if a being suffers or not before being slaughtered and end up in your sandwich, which you could fill with other stuff. I just don't want to kill it ....since I fully aknowledge its right to live in the same way I promote mine. You're a hypocrite man. We don't need to kill lives on an industrial scale to eat and be fit. Veegtarians are fitter and healthier than most meat-eaters. If I can, If millions can, why can't you? Please no more excuses.
@hivahoa121 Haha, vegetarians are not much healthier than people who eat meat. I think on average they only like like 6 months longer.
If you don't want to eat meat, then good for you, but what about all those animals they get killed in processing of grains and such? If billions of people can eat meat, why can't you?! What kind of shitty argument is that? Anyhow, more power to you for not eating meat, but I will continue to do so.
@Jscuzza After reading your reply and your laughable way of thinking, I understand that I'm just waisting my time. I am happy, anyway, that you are making a total fool of yourself in front of averybody here. You didn't understand a single syllable of what I was implying in my argument...you totally missed my points, and now that I've read your nonsensical rantle, I know the reason: lack of raw material between those 2 ears. Bye.
@hivahoa121 I have a different opinion than you. I don't think you know what the word hypocrite means. I say I don't think the animals should suffer before they die, but I don't mind them dying for them to be eaten. That is not hypocritical. I proposed a more humane way of possibly putting them down without suffering. If you think they deserve life as much as we do, that is your opinion and good on ya, but that doesn't mean I have to share that opinion.
I feel necessary to point out a flaw in your thought, im not going to argue about thre status of animals as human property and their intrinsic value being what they are to a human. But to suggest that if a slaughter of an animal was humane (an oxymoron), then our moral justification is lifted is absurd. The slaughter is aguably the least total pain caused to the animal who has spent its life in most cases locked up with little room to perform its natural instincts
To confine and raise an animal commercially is suffering, we are playing units with sentient animals. If they do not grow fast enough or are damaged goods they are put down without anestethic.
Similarly any alternative (even temple grandins) is not feasible when 30+billion animals are dying a year at roughly a dozen thousand per second. Human error will & DOES happen, however 3-8% poor slaughter is seen as acceptable
To summarise suffering does not just come in the form of physical pain; Trust me i'd eat meat etc again if i could ever think of a sound justification, none have held up to scrutiny however & if you do think you have one i'd like to hear it however i will be critical and thorough.
@TheTvrulesthenation I am not educated enough in something like this to come up with a good way to do it so I cannot offer anything in the form of a solution that would work. Though I would say, if they brought these animals up in a more human manor and then killed them in a more reasonable, painless way, it would be better.
I would hope there are people out there that might be working on something in regards to it.
well then you have the moral dilemma, you disagree with animals being put into suffering & see it as wrong but as there is no feasible alternative you partake in what you consider injust. You are now equppied with the info i've told you & can research it & have taken my word as accurate.
The books are out there, the bible of animal rights Singers ''animal liberation'' is a short but powerful book that will get you thinking
You will learn that with our greedy appetite for meat there cannot be any humane manner of raising meat in the stereotypical idyllic farm setting with animals roaming free. And we cannot anastheize animals as then the chemicals are in the meat, at best we have the captive bolt a crude method that does not render every animal (bar chickens who dont get kncoekd out) unconscious & leaves them to wake up sometimes whilst on the slaughterline.
@TheTvrulesthenation hi, i saw some discussion here and thought i'd ask you if as a vegetarian you would have ethical issues with eating a synthetic meat product, grown in vitro and in a industrial lab. We have the capability to grow meat as an isolated organ without the rest of the organism. There would be no suffering and with practice synthetic meats could be quite healthy, lean protein. Thanks.
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What a joy to find that someone in the world shares my views about other species rights. I could not agree more with Prof. Singer's argument uploaded here. I am not a vegan but I am very concerned about other species rights.
Prof. Singer and Prof. Dawkins what a delight to watch. Thank you very much for uploading this interview. Just great!
I am a vegan but one question vegans should ask themselves is why is it right for other animals to consume others? perhaps since they have no choice but to consume others in order to survive it is moral yet then we realize we have the power to intervene and forcefully veganize all living creatures, it sounds immoral I admit but if we ignore it then we have a world with more suffering and much more immorality so could this idea of forceful veganization be actually true despite it sounding wrong?
This video is great, I watched lots of videos with Peter Singer for animal rights and watched lots of videos with Richard Dawkins for atheism and now there both here in one video :)
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Thanks to Both Gentlemen for sharing their views.. I am truly inspired & have a very interesting project in mind.. I'd love to speak to you both someday among others & include ur contributions. To Prof.Dawkins this might be the first time I wud have spoken directly to u & I would have you know, without sounding too patronising, that I've watched & read all ur material. U are to many including me, what Darwin is to you.. You indeed are, as many Wallace described, more Darwinian than Darwin..
There are some excellent arguments for vegetarianism, and I am in support of more humane ways of killing the animals for that purpose. I personally will not become a vegetarian, I enjoy the taste of meat, work a physically demanding job and am of a mind that there is likely an evolutionarily advantage/purpose to it.
@griffithomi If you're opposed to the worst atrocities of factory farming, but don't feel you will become vegetarian, why not participate in Meatless Mondays, or otherwise just reduce your consumption of animal protein slightly? We eat 21 meals per week. Committing yourself to three meat free meals is reasonable, especially since you probably already don't eat meat at every meal. That's a decent, achievable goal, don't you think?
@Pilaf1984 Not really necessary though, I get all my meat from my grandfathers farm, and he avoids pesticides, hormone treatments, and treats his animals incredibly well. He anesthetizes his animals and has them killed painlessly. When I can't get meet from him, I get meat from a local farm run by an Amish man who treats and kill his animals much the same way, with herbal anesthetics.
@hillbillycal I guess the only justification is that there is no feasible way to avoid this, if we did it safely and plowed it manually global hunger may emerge and humans would fall back into the state were we have to consume meat to survive so to avoid this, eating vegetables with some immorality will occur until we have technology advanced enough to resolve this issue.
It seems that Richard's only reasoning for continuing to eat meat and supporting mankind's self-imposed dominion over the animals, is essentially an appeal to popularity. Because society accepts it to be a norm, he continues to do it even though he accepts all the arguments why he shouldn't.
I wish Singer had asked him what his response would be to a Christian who used this as justification for his religious belief. I suspect Dawkins would label it as intellectual dishonesty.
I was just enjoying youtube videos on Dawkins, and I came across this, an interview with my favorite philosopher, Peter Singer! Wow. :-) I am always impressed by Singers fool-proof logic, and after reading one of his books I have become a vegan and animal activist. I hope after seeing this video you also continue your research into utilitarianism and modern carnism.
Such logic and honnesty from Richard dawkins. He accepts that killing animals for food is wrong and also accepts that he still eats meat. What I hate is when people try to make bogus logic to say that eating meat is a good thing only because they eat meat and need to feel that they are in the right.
@SisterSunshineTV I agree (I'm vegan myself), but I do believe that even cutting down meat consumption or becoming a vegetarian is a huge step towards reducing the demand for animal torture. For some it takes time to become vegan so us vegans calling them 'hypocrites' will only make them develop a negative perception of what it means being vegan. But the more people learn about the horrors of the meat/fur industries, the more they'll come to it themselves.
I think as long as pigs lives happy lives out in fresh air. And then executed quickly while they are sleeping...it wouldn't be a problem. Sadly right now they are being lined up and put throught a saw. And the muslim way of killing animals...damm. Muslims actually want them to suffer incredibly pain...I don't remember how it goes. But I have seen some footage of Islams way of killing animls and it's quite horrific.
Muslims claim that their way of execution is painless and they argue that the western method, which involves shooting the animals in the head with bolt to stun them before cutting their throat, is the painful method. There is not an abundance of research because frankly, it's not of much concern to many people.
@mellamosean Yeah and the scary thing is, in my country they are introducing muslims slaughter methods in order to not be "racist" since somwhow not killing the animal slowly is being racist against muslims. I'm so tired of the politically correct views of muslims...so tired of the stupidity.
Well again, there needs to be more research conducted examining the pain felt by animals in each type of slaughter. Then they need to improve the method so that the act is painless, because I highly doubt either method is painless as is. This is not an issue of political correctness. If Muslims refuse to eat non-halal meat, they can become vegetarians like me. If eating meat is more important than living in their country, they can go live in a predominately Muslim country.
@mellamosean It's funny how all problems in the world boils down to two things...religion and stupidity/bad education. If everyone in the world would be as smart as you and me, the way people kill animals would be quick and painless. People would not go to war or blow themself up, so much useless crap would be gone and the schools wouldn't be so dysfunctional as they are. Every problem is easily solved...yet somehow the rulers of society are too dumb to fix them...fix schools and 99% of problems
@mellamosean would be gone...old geezers makes me mad. Mostly because of they way they brainwash young people into their stupid ways of living slaughtering etc...not to start on the media...omg. It makes me sad just thinking about the western media. Actually change the media and the school and 99% of problems would be gone.
I actually don't think things are quite as simple. But I get what you mean: clarity of information and clarity of thinking would do a lot of good if they were easily achievable .
Seems Dawkins holds Singer in extremely high respect, Hmm i wonder how Dawkins would respond if i was to use the reason ''i'm a religious practicer because of how society would perceive me if i was not, but you are right there is no God''
Hey at least he is honest about eating meat being wrong & doesn't disregard it as trivial or make up bullshit excuses
The objection to eating human flesh isn't moral it's pragmatic: things which are parasticial on humans will live in humans! The more similar the animal is to you, the more compatible parasites you will ingest.
God damn it people this is not hard, get it right!
@KrisdashPaul uhhh... if you don't eat the cerebrospinal fluid I don't think we'd have much of a problem. Our ancient ancestors used to cannibalize their enemies, and sometimes dead family members, and eat their flesh as well as their marrow, even when it wasn't necessary for survival.
Look, don't call me fucking stupid when you clearly haven't studied the facts. You just made a fool out of yourself. Humans can live off plants and that's a fact, not an opinion. Yes, we need protein and dead animal flesh is not the only source of protein. The protein in beans and other non-animal sources of protein are just as good as the protein found in dead animal flesh. It's even better since eating meat can cause over 40 diseases. A plant-based diet is more healthy, fact.
@ZoldierrZzz Way!! An intelligent human being! Thank you haha. We factually don't need meat and it is not more expensive like @pickupthePWN seems to think. i actually found it cheaper. anyway that is by the by. even if it was more expensive (which it isnt - lame excuse) is an animals life worth taking for a few more pennies in your pocket? i think not.
@ZoldierrZzz Lets talk about practical sources of protein here, when stating that a cup of beans on average has about 8 grams of protein, you have to realize that this is far less sufficient than meats. two ounces less than that cup of beans, when in steak, contains 42 grams of protein. this means that you would, infact, need 21 ounces of beans to have as much protein as you could get from one steak. not to mention that beans are most likely not suffiecient for fat.
@pickupthePWN Calling me a cunt achieved what exactly? lol how very childish. Which by the way, did not have the desired affect. Do your research, form a valid argument, then come back to me. If you think it is hard being a vegetarian, it is not, you simply need intelligence. Which maybe you'd struggle with? Claiming vegetarian is not healthy is stupid and ignorant.
Richard Dawkins mercilessly censures the inconsistencies of religion and the religious, yet seems more than happy to accept his own inconsistencies with something as fundamental as animal rights.
If you believe eating animals is wrong, then act accordingly! Do not demonstrate the same hypocrisy that you condemn in others.
like i said, we are the only ones who really understand suffering, other animals have empathy for their own kind, but not other animals, and while we of course have empathy for our own kind, we have grown to acknowledge we should care about other animals too, even if thats not at all like the rest of the animal world, but its where evolution has brought us, meat tastes good, so we eat it, plain and simple, we shouldnt deprive ourselves of it, nature didnt allow that, we should refine our methods
@wheresmywhiskey85 I;m not sure your arguments stick to your philosophy. 1) Our teeth are definately more on the side of vegetarian than carnivorous, look at a cats teeth, true predators, and a bear's teeth, an omnivorous scavenger, and you can see what direction our teeth are going. 2) Just because our brains are programmed to like something doesn't make it right, or even a sensible thing to do. We like the taste of very fatty or sugary foods, but of course no one is arguing that we eat only
@wheresmywhiskey85 these things. Our senses and evolutionary programming and construction are poor indicators of how we should behave or what we should eat.
they are slaughtered to a more humane way, its ingrained in our brains through evolution to like the taste of meat, and just like any other animal, we will crave it, there will never be a day where every human on earth will just only want non animal food, it will in turn create an underground and criminalize in a way a natural part of life, but the way we go about getting that meat i can most certainly say should be changed, i love animals and hate to see any suffer, so suffering should stop
while i agree that animals suffer, and we push that on them knowingly, i dont think (not for certain of course) a lion thinks about the suffering of its prey, i dont think the concept can occur in its brain, of course it does in ours, that being said, meat is great, our teeth are made to eat both meat and vegetation, and since "non human" animals dont see whats coming and dont have that idea of fear when they are being led into a slaughterhouse, we should most definitely change the ways
I am quite surprised at Dawkins' naive view of the world. He claims we live in a nice world, with all humans being nice to one another. This is absolutely not the case, as humans are at war at all levels of society colminating into global war. Our whole society is based on envy, lust, greed, violence, not being nice. Of course if he tells the truth, folks would not tolerate is incessant babbling....
FathomlessJoy 5 days ago
What city was this in?
ramatirthadasa 1 week ago
I love the mussel exception... I have used it many times before when I mocked vegans that didn't seem to understand that killing clams is not immoral. If you could grow meat and it not cost $1000 per kg then I would switch rather quickly. I would also support eating smaller brained animals. That is one of the reasons i prefer not to eat pork. I bet you could artificially select stupid cows until you had just meat bags that eat grass and i would go further and say this would make cow cheaper
CharlesNauck 1 week ago
@CharlesNauck "If you could grow meat and it not cost $1000 per kg then I would switch rather quickly"
We can, it is called vegetables, nuts, beans, potatoes. These foods are meaty and can be prepared in ways that offer a tremendous hunger satisfaction, with excellent nutrition and cruelty-free. We only have to experiment a bit and find plant foods that serve uis best. We do not have to live another day like our cruel society teaches us. It is easy, it is natural, it is healthy, it is vegan <3
FathomlessJoy 5 days ago
@FathomlessJoy
HAHAHA one meat is an important part of your diet (it is way over abused becase of how important and hard to get it once was) we wouldnt have evolved large brains without it... studies have show a vegan that eats a small amount of meat has an increase of IQ points (again you dont need a lot in your diet)... Two if you could make those things no one would be fighting you on the issue because it is so much cheaper to farm then to herd.
CharlesNauck 5 days ago
@CharlesNauck I was serious. You were making excuses that something external needs to happen for you to change and I wanted you to know that you are simply making excuses.
Actually meat is a major reason man's health today is failing: watch?v=yfsT-qYeqGM
As to your silly brain hypothesis: if it were true, lions would be able to compose symphonies and elephants would not have cognitive recognition of things from yesterday, much less 20 years ago. Right?
FathomlessJoy 5 days ago
@CharlesNauck BTW: the largest brains, far larger than lions and man, are in elephants, and they are vegan! Peace.
FathomlessJoy 5 days ago
@FathomlessJoy
Three I love my veggies and i can make them kinda taste like meat but usually it has to be cooked with meat to pull it off... if you could give me a steak made from whatever and it tasted like steak I wouldnt care if it was vegan or not. Maybe you forgot what meat tastes like?
Four it isnt cruelty free I dont know what you think happens to mice in a corn field but it isnt TLC
Five it isnt natural 5 million years of meat eating is bred into us
CharlesNauck 5 days ago
@CharlesNauck "Three I love my veggies" For sure! What's not to love? Plants are what is giving you life. Eating animals is death and disease.
FathomlessJoy 5 days ago
@CharlesNauck "veggies and can make them kinda taste like meat but usually it has to be cooked with meat to pull it off" Add potato chunks or sweet potato chunks instead of chicken, add soaked ground walnuts instead of burger, add chickpeas instead of pork, if you learn how to prepare these right they are much more satifying than the "real" thing and you do not have to rape and torture any sentient beings to get them!
FathomlessJoy 5 days ago
@CharlesNauck "if you could give me a steak made from whatever and it tasted like steak I wouldnt care if it was vegan or not" Well you hit on the heart of the problem: pleasure. That is a problem of the mind, not of the body. Caught in a cycle of _pleasure_, and its eternal lover _fear_, it is hard to see this objectively. Watch Earthlings and tell me if human need to find another way and whether or not your petty pleasure is justified: watch?v=FHA4HNbmDLg
FathomlessJoy 5 days ago
@CharlesNauck "Four it isnt cruelty free I dont know what you think happens to mice in a corn field but it isnt TLC" That is one of intent, right? There is no ill intent against the field mouse, most of which die from the crop farming to feed livestock, right? There is certainly the intent with livestock to enslave, exploit, rape, torture and mutilate them for your pleasure.
FathomlessJoy 5 days ago
@CharlesNauck " Maybe you forgot what meat tastes like?" That is what happened to me. I detoxed, I removed all animal products, fasted a few times, and within a few weeks meat no longer looked or smelled like food. I saw it for the repulsive, digusting filth that it is. And I was a life long hunter and fisherman! It's rotting carcass parts, man! This is what keeps Dawkins from seeing what Singer is talking about: his pleasure bias. Remove the fear/pleasure cycle and you'll see it for what it is.
FathomlessJoy 5 days ago
@FathomlessJoy
Detoxed??? BWAHAHAHAHA I dont even need to respond to your appeal to authority that you wrote above... after reading that I will not bother writing anymore you are believer in magic. Detox is hippie slang for magical effect... you clearly have duped yourself into a placebo effect. Why dont you try the paleo diet? It works even better at detoxing your body PFFT. I read down below and more detox this I dont understand biology that. Plants grow out of human feces you know.
CharlesNauck 5 days ago
@CharlesNauck "I dont even need to respond to your appeal to authority that you wrote above..." And yet you keep arguing away like a child caught in a tantrum.
FathomlessJoy 5 days ago
@CharlesNauck "appeal to authority that you wrote " You mean my personal, eyewitness testimony? But is it not an appeal to authority to cite something you read about humans millions of years ago? I mean you weren't there, right?
FathomlessJoy 5 days ago
@CharlesNauck "after reading that I will not bother writing anymore you are believer in magic" Yeah, I believe in the magic of removing the toxins and carcinogens from my body. Things caused by this: cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/Risk/cooked-meats
And this: watch?v=yfsT-qYeqGM
Also at the same time a couple years ago I quit alcohol, which is certain a toxin. These toxins are in your blood, in your bones, they must be purged,
FathomlessJoy 5 days ago
@CharlesNauck "BWAHAHAHAHAHA" There are at least 3 stages of change of change: laughter, violent oppisition, and acceptance. You are caught in two of them.
FathomlessJoy 5 days ago
@CharlesNauck "Detox is hippie slang for magical effect" Your religion does not believe in toxins then?
There are many prominent doctors, perhaps even flesh-eaters, who disagree with you, right? Can you show any proof more powerful than theirs?
FathomlessJoy 5 days ago
@CharlesNauck " you clearly have duped yourself into a placebo effect." That is a theory to you, right? You have to invent theories about it to pretend you understand. I see things first hand. Theories obstruct observation. I did not even know what vegan was when I detoxified my body from the death and sickness that you ingest daily.
FathomlessJoy 5 days ago
@CharlesNauck "Why dont you try the paleo diet?" I have evolved from that. Why would I go backwards? I found my natural, 100% healthy, compassionate diet. It works. It ain't broke, so I don't need to fix it.
FathomlessJoy 5 days ago
@CharlesNauck "Plants grow out of human feces you know." Though I do not see lots of humans out in veggie fields squatting, even if it were true, don't you eat out the filthy rotting asses of cows and chickens and hogs? LOL
FathomlessJoy 5 days ago
@CharlesNauck "Five it isnt natural 5 million years of meat eating is bred into us" Eating the rotting flesh of innocent sentient animals is certainly bred into us, but it does not follow that it is natural. Simply because something is done by most humans for a long time does not make it natural, righteous, justified, does it? But let's not hypothesize like children about 5 milions years in the past, let us look as men today for ourselves. Please tell me how this is natural: watch?v=FHA4HNbmDLg
FathomlessJoy 5 days ago
@FathomlessJoy
Hypothesize? You know nothing of the evolution of man I see. Let me explain this real slow I was speaking of Chimps (of which we share a common ancestor) they will eat meat, Australopithecus (which has be suggested to have ate meat), Homo habilis was known to eat meat. Homo erectus ate meat... our cousin the Neanderthal ate meat. And there is a indication that with larger meat diet the brain grows. Righteous /=/ Natural you are starting to seem like a moron
CharlesNauck 5 days ago
@CharlesNauck "You know nothing of the evolution of man I see" Well perhaps you can teach us all something about it. While we wait, I will tell you I know enuf about evolution to know what Charles Darwin himself concluded about man's natural diet. Do you know? Turns out ole Chuck concluded that man evolved to be a vegan!
FathomlessJoy 5 days ago
@CharlesNauck Is your argument that if chimps do something then it is acceptable behavior you? LOL Sorry, buddy, I have higher standards in my life than that :)
FathomlessJoy 5 days ago
@CharlesNauck "And there is a indication that with larger meat diet the brain grows." Allow me ask this really slowly ;)
Caaaaarrree tooo prooooduuucce annyyy prooof ooofff thaaaat????
FathomlessJoy 5 days ago
@CharlesNauck "Righteous /=/ Natural you are starting to seem like a moron" Well tell me how to not be a moron. Do I start with the petty childish name calling or do I ease into it? ;)
FathomlessJoy 5 days ago
@FathomlessJoy
If you wanted to be healthy i suggest adding a clam or two to some of your dishes that would be cruelty free and healthier (I think you can get farm raised mussels if you want to avoid mercury and other polutants). I just couldnt live off of that.
CharlesNauck 5 days ago
@CharlesNauck I am not arguing a moral position. Even if clams or mollusks in general did not suffer you are still feeding on the bottom of the bottom feeders - all the piss and shit of the ocean goes into those slimey sluggy creatures, in addition to all the toxins and heavy metals that are dumped into their environment by man. Not going in my body; sorry.
FathomlessJoy 5 days ago
@CharlesNauck How smart are vegans? Some of the most brilliant scientists, artists, industrialists in history were vegan, or very strict vegetarian, including Plato, Da Vinci, Newton, Darwin, Einstein, Edison, Ford; you know, real heavy weights that make Dawkins appear as an incessantly whining school boy :)
FathomlessJoy 5 days ago
50+ people are speciesists.
livingdeadgrl18 2 weeks ago 4
Love the parts where Richard giggles. It's kind of nice to see someone so intelligent and sober be able to take things lightly.
livingdeadgrl18 2 weeks ago
LOL "human roadkill" Officer: "So if you overran that man with your car, where on earth is the body??" Roadkiller: "I ate it. It didn't have feelings anymore." :-D
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PolitricksOnline 1 month ago
I HAVE so much respect for people who accept it is bad to eat meat but continue eating meat.
This shows that at least they are telling the truth.
nsugathadasa 1 month ago
@nsugathadasa I'm not sure I'd go as far as saying, "I have so much respect for people who accept it's bad to eat meat but continue eating meat." However, when most people discover that I'm vegan, they often try to 'excuse' their meat-eating even though, during the course of the discussion, I often "detect" an under-lying feeling of "I feel guilty but don't feel I could give it up."
I would imagine it would be easier than they think but that's from my own experience of being me!
marcluc1988 1 month ago
@nsugathadasa It is agreeable that its a good stance to take in term of opinion nevertheless merely having this stance isn't going to make a difference as such, a logical example would be if a person had slaves in the 18th century but admitted it was wrong, it might be good that they admit it but its still wrong, wouldn't you agree? I mean its better but still hasn't surpassed a level of morality which is considered ethical, its still the wrong thing to do in my opinion.
AntiSpeciesistWorld 3 weeks ago
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@AntiSpeciesistWorld I agree with you absolutely. I should have said, it is much less worse to eat meat and accept that it is wrong to do so, than to eat meat and say it is my god given right to eat meat. The best moral position I believe is to be vagan.
I was respecting Dawkins for the way he talks the truth and accept that he is wrong and less moral. As you might know there are many people who do not even accept that eating meat is wrong.
nsugathadasa 2 weeks ago
Animals are slowly gaining more rights as more and more laws are coming in to help animals, such as the banning of animal circuses in China in 2010 and in 2012 there's the banning of veal in Arizona and the banning of bullfighting in Catalonia.
If this trend continues as it probably will, it seems to make perfect sense we will inevitably reach the point in which the line is passed and animal slaughter is banned like the coming of the singularity, a moment in history which will hopefully come
deanmullen10 1 month ago
@deanmullen10 At the moment I eat meat and hunt but I guess I'm an addict. I think if I were to have children I'd probably go vegetarian so they never have the addiction and desire to eat meat, thus the trend of eating animals will stop at my point of my genetic line instead of carrying on perhaps infinitely. I think a lot of people deep down feel the same way you do. Unlike others I just admit it, and even acknowledge it to myself which a lot of people don't.
Atheogen 3 weeks ago
Atheism and veganism go hand in hand. Please go vegan!
avaizhashmi 1 month ago
@avaizhashmi I think you have a point when you say "Atheism and veganism" go hand in hand. Although I wouldn't say they're bed-fellows. I think one reason is that both are going against society's norms and often against what one was brought up to believe and if one actually thinks thingsthrough as opposed to simply accepting the status quo, one will do so on other issues.
marcluc1988 1 month ago
@avaizhashmi
They don't.
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@avaizhashmi They Don't.
DOUCH3AG 2 weeks ago
I can see the quote mine crew digging some gold out of this video. Dawkins admits he would keep slaves and kill babies -.-
Baldmother 1 month ago
@Baldmother Indeed, 24:00 to 28:00 is my favorite part (infanticide). Anyway, a couple of things: 1. Singer and Lady Gaga are grotesque. 2. Dawkins admits infanticide and say he won’t debate Craig for similar reasons? Come on... 3. More interesting, several times Dawkins agrees with Singer but notes he worries about limits. Sure thing, however, this is coming from the same man who loves continuums and criticizes those with “discontinuous minds”. Except when it suits him right?
maxaug 1 month ago
it's 4:01am, so i'm gonna have to call it a night and watch this later. should be interesting and very enlightening.
livingdeadgrl18 1 month ago
look at that - 2 evil creatures trying to pass for a human. Shame their parents didnt abort them
Abortion is murder. Full stop. No if's no but's. U athiests - dont reply to me bcoz I dont give a fuck abt ur opinion.
Badwolf182 1 month ago
@Badwolf182 i'm an atheist and i replied to your comment. you mad?
livingdeadgrl18 1 month ago
@livingdeadgrl18 hahaha lol everyone loves humour :)
Badwolf182 1 month ago
@Badwolf182 So, say you have a daughter that you love more than life itself. You live in Congo and she's now 11. Last night she got gangraped when she went to the bathroom at night by 14 soldiers. Not only is she now a child that's pregnant but she also got AIDS, meaning her fetus will be infected and her whole life miserable. You will make your child, a 'gift from God', keep her sick fetus (couple of cells at this stage) at 11 because she got raped by other 'God's children'?
sansewai 1 month ago
@sansewai yep I would keep the baby since the baby didnt do anything wrong. BTW why do u all make these bizaare scenarios when 99.99999% of abortions are done in the west for selfish reasons!!!
Badwolf182 1 month ago
@Badwolf182 So you can make a choice of keeping it but someone else can't make a choice of not keeping it? And also why do you care?
sansewai 1 month ago
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Badwolf182 1 month ago
@Badwolf182 Oh fack I can't believe I'm discussing something on YouTube, please keep it civil.
sansewai 1 month ago
@sansewai well I think it's obvious - one involves MURDER
Badwolf182 1 month ago
@Badwolf182 I think it's more cruel you'd ruin your daughter's life completely because you think aborting a bunch of cells in a membrane is murder. Or maybe Jesus came up with that one for you, I'm not sure at this stage. We'll have to agree to disagree.
sansewai 1 month ago
@sansewai wow humans are a bunch of cells? we are far more than a bunch of cells. Putting a frog inside a blender is also a bunch of cells - try putting it back together see if u can get a frog. If we were a bunch of cells how come we have an innate sense of good/evil or a soul. yes we can agree to disagree
Badwolf182 1 month ago
@Badwolf182 From the day of conception and up until a month or so we are still a bunch of cells, I don't think I need to explain how an embryo evolves though different stages of pregnancy. And in that time you'll most probably know whether you're pregnant or not. After that certain stage of pregnancy, you can't get an abortion. Also, where abortion is prohibited by law, women still do it and always have done it. It's very traumatising but it's their decision and usually a very smart one.
sansewai 1 month ago
@Badwolf182 Hate to break it to you but some people do not think that we have a "soul" that is a religious belief, and as far as innate sense of good/evil well, studies have shown that this is likely something that we got from our primate ancestors.
beckynonono 1 month ago
@beckynonono Yes, I realise there are ppl who dont beleive in us having souls. This is a huge area of debate and i guess too much for utube. I think u can guess I dont beleive in the theory of "evolution" and the primate ancesters thing.
Badwolf182 1 month ago
listen up you bible thumpers, if you deliberately suspend critical thinking and reason to believe in something without evidence or proof, don't even try to construct an argument that supports your views. its impossible. stay in your bubble of ignorance or open your mind. we are all atheists, some just go one god further. you believe in your god by chance
dopeasfuckk 1 month ago
How can so many people listen to Richard? Although I do not fully agree with Singer, Dawkins is far below his level and is basically just praising him like a hero. Watching this video is like watching a little kid being able to get attention from a teenager and feeling happy about the simple recognition.
guinepighamster 1 month ago
Wow, human-chimp hybrids!
augerrusty 2 months ago
Wow, Hitler and Goebbels would be proud. This is an outrage. We are watching actual Nazi propaganda - not from the 1930's, but in 2011. Where is the ADL? Where is Abe Foxman? What buffoonery - look at what this man says at 1:00 in. And you all are talking about vegetarians? Come on people, this man is advocating genocide and eugenics. Call him out for the Nazi that he is.
Cointelproexposer 2 months ago
@Cointelproexposer Do you actually understand Singer's utilitarian ethical theory or read his work? Nowhere does Singer say anything that could be construed as being in suppost of eugenics. He never suggests genocide is acceptable. Everything you're saying amounts to little more than libelous drivel, and you should be ashamed of yourself. If you don't have anything productive to say, shut up.
One more thing, Singer is of Jewish descent, so calling the man a Nazi is, frankly appalling.
timeinminutes 2 months ago 21
@timeinminutes Singer is advocating infanticide - tell me the difference? Do you even understand what he is saying or are u so blinded by his intellectual drivel that common sense has completely left u for brain dead?
BTW SInger a Jew explains everything. They are Satans ppl
Badwolf182 1 month ago
@Cointelproexposer
Hitler and Goebbels worried about the suffering inflicted on fellow sentient beings?
Cha4k 1 month ago
@Cointelproexposer yep this lunatic is standing there talking abt murdering little humans and ppl here are supporting him yet they go on abt animal rights and being vegetarian OMG
The last days are upon us. Good men are blind to ways of Satan. Singer talks abt infanticide and ppl are attacking you for pointing out facts
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vytah 2 months ago
Make veggies more tasty and I'll stop eating meat.
dlbattle100 2 months ago
@dlbattle100 Just stir fry with garlic and onions, then add seasonings.
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xxalexxlovex 2 months ago
This interview was the first domino that lead to my vegetarianism 3 months ago
WickedJargon 2 months ago 37
@WickedJargon Well done to you mate! :) your making a difference i this world! :)
seanybyne1982 2 months ago
Dawkin's says that Vegetarian food is not that good... Dear God!! This is one of the only things I would disagree with him... EVER! People need to understand that the wealth of great vegetarian food out there is in abundance! Open your eyes people....
seanybyne1982 2 months ago 5
@WickedJargon I had exactly the same experience. I've been vegetarian for 14 months now. Stick with it.
jamesestaniforth 2 months ago
@jamesestaniforth LOL, i accidently thumbed your comment down. Anyway, I'm so glad to hear that you've gone with vegetarianism. I am still on track and completely committed.
WickedJargon 2 months ago
@WickedJargon I worked at Cargill the summer after my first year of undergrad. it was fucked.. got a tour of the kill floor even though i worked in production, the guy was so stoked to kill the cows, he told me to watch their faces when they die! i nearly put him through the slaughter house. the year after i was introduced to singer in an ethics course.. made me so mad at myself for supporting that shit for a couple bucks. slowly avoiding meat for health/ moral reasons now
dopeasfuckk 1 month ago
@WickedJargon and why not veganism?? =)
Ciweman 1 week ago
@Ciweman I have more recently become a vegan
WickedJargon 1 week ago
@WickedJargon thats awesome, congrats
Ciweman 1 week ago
@WickedJargon Yes, me too and right after that, I started killing retarded children.
bestvalue 1 week ago
@bestvalue wouldn't you have to kill yourself?
WickedJargon 1 week ago
@bestvalue retarded human or non human children?
WickedJargon 1 week ago
@WickedJargon It's called sarcasm but if I truly followed Singer's advice, I'd become a vegetarian and start killing retarded human children.
bestvalue 6 days ago
@bestvalue Right. Because that's what Singer says. Children are 0 to 3 months old. and every child is your own child of course
WickedJargon 6 days ago
Im pro-death
dickhead2905 2 months ago
Dawkins completely changed the subject when he was asked why he eats meet. I think highly of Dawkins because of his work in evolution and the promotion of science but he, of all people, should be a vegan. He is very aware of the behavior of non-human animals and our similarities to them.
Isaac0Castillo 2 months ago 3
One of the more eye-opening videos I've seen in quite a while, thanks for the upload.
imbored3210 2 months ago
I must say as a hunter whom hunts for quite a majority of my own food, being a vegetarian is only a modern convenience. If we didn't grow veggies on such a large scale as we do now to provide for a world demand, you wouldn't have all of those wonderful vegetables to eat. I'm not trying to be mean, or take a stab at you guys, but when you need to add extra supplements to your diet such as protein Shows me that we are designed to eat a bit of meat. Not all meat obviously, but we do need meat. IMHO
BrandonStover 2 months ago
@BrandonStover Did you just use the word "designed" on a Richard Dawkins video? That´s quite the fuck up.
Your opinion doesn´t mean shit. We either need meat or we don´t. We can eat other foods these days, so we don´t need to eat meat. And that´s not my opinion. People can stay alive just fine without eating meat.
magnusjsolberg 2 months ago
Truly an amazing interview.
TheMadJammer 2 months ago
By their reasoning it would be much more logical to say that we shouldn't eat humans since we shouldn't animals. I do think animals should be treated well and humanely. If God's word is followed, both humans and creation are respected and we are to treat all well because of the fact that we reflect God's image (Singer/Dawkins don't get this). Obviously, many don't follow this, however. Otherwise, past humans greatly respected the animals they ate while not thinking that they had to be vegans.
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GodSwordofGabriel 3 months ago
Richard Dawkins stil eats meat and his kids will always eat meat
FIGHTFANNERD3 3 months ago
@FIGHTFANNERD3 What you talking about more humans?
sam8110 3 months ago
I have seen what they do in slaughterhouses and it is disturbing, but I still eat meat. Though I must say, I wish they were more ethical about putting down the animals. From some videos I have seen, the pretty much do what is in the name, and slaughter the animals.
If they put them down in a quick manner where there really wasn't any suffering, I think it would be much better.
Jscuzza 3 months ago
@Jscuzza You're a hypocrite. That's all. That's what you are. Killing someone in a less painful manner does not make me feel better about myself. I would still feel a horrible person, and a murderer. Sheer hypocrisy.
hivahoa121 3 months ago
@hivahoa121 Doesn't have to make me feel better about it... But at least the animals wont suffer. We aren't talking about killing humans here, but if I were to kill a person, I wouldn't want them to suffer. Not sure how that makes me a hypocrite.
Jscuzza 3 months ago
@Jscuzza I don't care if a being suffers or not before being slaughtered and end up in your sandwich, which you could fill with other stuff. I just don't want to kill it ....since I fully aknowledge its right to live in the same way I promote mine. You're a hypocrite man. We don't need to kill lives on an industrial scale to eat and be fit. Veegtarians are fitter and healthier than most meat-eaters. If I can, If millions can, why can't you? Please no more excuses.
hivahoa121 3 months ago
@hivahoa121 Haha, vegetarians are not much healthier than people who eat meat. I think on average they only like like 6 months longer.
If you don't want to eat meat, then good for you, but what about all those animals they get killed in processing of grains and such? If billions of people can eat meat, why can't you?! What kind of shitty argument is that? Anyhow, more power to you for not eating meat, but I will continue to do so.
Jscuzza 3 months ago
@Jscuzza After reading your reply and your laughable way of thinking, I understand that I'm just waisting my time. I am happy, anyway, that you are making a total fool of yourself in front of averybody here. You didn't understand a single syllable of what I was implying in my argument...you totally missed my points, and now that I've read your nonsensical rantle, I know the reason: lack of raw material between those 2 ears. Bye.
hivahoa121 3 months ago
@hivahoa121 I have a different opinion than you. I don't think you know what the word hypocrite means. I say I don't think the animals should suffer before they die, but I don't mind them dying for them to be eaten. That is not hypocritical. I proposed a more humane way of possibly putting them down without suffering. If you think they deserve life as much as we do, that is your opinion and good on ya, but that doesn't mean I have to share that opinion.
Jscuzza 3 months ago
Jscuzza
I feel necessary to point out a flaw in your thought, im not going to argue about thre status of animals as human property and their intrinsic value being what they are to a human. But to suggest that if a slaughter of an animal was humane (an oxymoron), then our moral justification is lifted is absurd. The slaughter is aguably the least total pain caused to the animal who has spent its life in most cases locked up with little room to perform its natural instincts
TheTvrulesthenation 3 months ago
Jscuzza
To confine and raise an animal commercially is suffering, we are playing units with sentient animals. If they do not grow fast enough or are damaged goods they are put down without anestethic.
Similarly any alternative (even temple grandins) is not feasible when 30+billion animals are dying a year at roughly a dozen thousand per second. Human error will & DOES happen, however 3-8% poor slaughter is seen as acceptable
TheTvrulesthenation 3 months ago
Jscuzza
To summarise suffering does not just come in the form of physical pain; Trust me i'd eat meat etc again if i could ever think of a sound justification, none have held up to scrutiny however & if you do think you have one i'd like to hear it however i will be critical and thorough.
TheTvrulesthenation 3 months ago
@TheTvrulesthenation I am not educated enough in something like this to come up with a good way to do it so I cannot offer anything in the form of a solution that would work. Though I would say, if they brought these animals up in a more human manor and then killed them in a more reasonable, painless way, it would be better.
I would hope there are people out there that might be working on something in regards to it.
Jscuzza 3 months ago
Jscuzza
well then you have the moral dilemma, you disagree with animals being put into suffering & see it as wrong but as there is no feasible alternative you partake in what you consider injust. You are now equppied with the info i've told you & can research it & have taken my word as accurate.
The books are out there, the bible of animal rights Singers ''animal liberation'' is a short but powerful book that will get you thinking
TheTvrulesthenation 3 months ago
Jscuzza
You will learn that with our greedy appetite for meat there cannot be any humane manner of raising meat in the stereotypical idyllic farm setting with animals roaming free. And we cannot anastheize animals as then the chemicals are in the meat, at best we have the captive bolt a crude method that does not render every animal (bar chickens who dont get kncoekd out) unconscious & leaves them to wake up sometimes whilst on the slaughterline.
Read and make your own choice, Good luck
TheTvrulesthenation 3 months ago
@TheTvrulesthenation hi, i saw some discussion here and thought i'd ask you if as a vegetarian you would have ethical issues with eating a synthetic meat product, grown in vitro and in a industrial lab. We have the capability to grow meat as an isolated organ without the rest of the organism. There would be no suffering and with practice synthetic meats could be quite healthy, lean protein. Thanks.
Baldurthegood 2 months ago
@Baldurthegood
Well I can't speak for Baldurthegood but I think that is a fantastic idea. If it were both cost affective and provably safe I see no ethical dilemma.
Knight2e5 1 month ago
@Knight2e5
*cost-effective
Knight2e5 1 month ago
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lightandbeautiful 3 months ago
What a joy to find that someone in the world shares my views about other species rights. I could not agree more with Prof. Singer's argument uploaded here. I am not a vegan but I am very concerned about other species rights.
Prof. Singer and Prof. Dawkins what a delight to watch. Thank you very much for uploading this interview. Just great!
ninigreen7 3 months ago
I am a vegan but one question vegans should ask themselves is why is it right for other animals to consume others? perhaps since they have no choice but to consume others in order to survive it is moral yet then we realize we have the power to intervene and forcefully veganize all living creatures, it sounds immoral I admit but if we ignore it then we have a world with more suffering and much more immorality so could this idea of forceful veganization be actually true despite it sounding wrong?
deanmullen10 3 months ago
This video is great, I watched lots of videos with Peter Singer for animal rights and watched lots of videos with Richard Dawkins for atheism and now there both here in one video :)
deanmullen10 3 months ago
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SpencerBenedict2nd 3 months ago
Thanks to Both Gentlemen for sharing their views.. I am truly inspired & have a very interesting project in mind.. I'd love to speak to you both someday among others & include ur contributions. To Prof.Dawkins this might be the first time I wud have spoken directly to u & I would have you know, without sounding too patronising, that I've watched & read all ur material. U are to many including me, what Darwin is to you.. You indeed are, as many Wallace described, more Darwinian than Darwin..
kennethhopkins 3 months ago
peter singer you arl bastard lmao
blackukstay 3 months ago
There are some excellent arguments for vegetarianism, and I am in support of more humane ways of killing the animals for that purpose. I personally will not become a vegetarian, I enjoy the taste of meat, work a physically demanding job and am of a mind that there is likely an evolutionarily advantage/purpose to it.
griffithomi 3 months ago
@griffithomi Reason, not purpose.
griffithomi 3 months ago
@griffithomi If you're opposed to the worst atrocities of factory farming, but don't feel you will become vegetarian, why not participate in Meatless Mondays, or otherwise just reduce your consumption of animal protein slightly? We eat 21 meals per week. Committing yourself to three meat free meals is reasonable, especially since you probably already don't eat meat at every meal. That's a decent, achievable goal, don't you think?
Pilaf1984 3 months ago
@Pilaf1984 Not really necessary though, I get all my meat from my grandfathers farm, and he avoids pesticides, hormone treatments, and treats his animals incredibly well. He anesthetizes his animals and has them killed painlessly. When I can't get meet from him, I get meat from a local farm run by an Amish man who treats and kill his animals much the same way, with herbal anesthetics.
griffithomi 3 months ago
How do we justify the suffering caused to animals by growing vegetables? There are millions of animals which plowed up such as rabbits or mice.
hillbillycal 3 months ago
@hillbillycal I guess the only justification is that there is no feasible way to avoid this, if we did it safely and plowed it manually global hunger may emerge and humans would fall back into the state were we have to consume meat to survive so to avoid this, eating vegetables with some immorality will occur until we have technology advanced enough to resolve this issue.
deanmullen10 3 months ago
It seems that Richard's only reasoning for continuing to eat meat and supporting mankind's self-imposed dominion over the animals, is essentially an appeal to popularity. Because society accepts it to be a norm, he continues to do it even though he accepts all the arguments why he shouldn't.
I wish Singer had asked him what his response would be to a Christian who used this as justification for his religious belief. I suspect Dawkins would label it as intellectual dishonesty.
them000ch 3 months ago
I was just enjoying youtube videos on Dawkins, and I came across this, an interview with my favorite philosopher, Peter Singer! Wow. :-) I am always impressed by Singers fool-proof logic, and after reading one of his books I have become a vegan and animal activist. I hope after seeing this video you also continue your research into utilitarianism and modern carnism.
WormyWyrm 3 months ago
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Such logic and honnesty from Richard dawkins. He accepts that killing animals for food is wrong and also accepts that he still eats meat. What I hate is when people try to make bogus logic to say that eating meat is a good thing only because they eat meat and need to feel that they are in the right.
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babakalabash 4 months ago
If one is going to claim the title "pro-life" then one must be a vegan period otherwise that one would be a hypocrite.
SisterSunshineTV 4 months ago
@SisterSunshineTV I agree (I'm vegan myself), but I do believe that even cutting down meat consumption or becoming a vegetarian is a huge step towards reducing the demand for animal torture. For some it takes time to become vegan so us vegans calling them 'hypocrites' will only make them develop a negative perception of what it means being vegan. But the more people learn about the horrors of the meat/fur industries, the more they'll come to it themselves.
NikaSixtyten 4 months ago
I think as long as pigs lives happy lives out in fresh air. And then executed quickly while they are sleeping...it wouldn't be a problem. Sadly right now they are being lined up and put throught a saw. And the muslim way of killing animals...damm. Muslims actually want them to suffer incredibly pain...I don't remember how it goes. But I have seen some footage of Islams way of killing animls and it's quite horrific.
Hermoor 4 months ago
@Hermoor
Muslims claim that their way of execution is painless and they argue that the western method, which involves shooting the animals in the head with bolt to stun them before cutting their throat, is the painful method. There is not an abundance of research because frankly, it's not of much concern to many people.
mellamosean 4 months ago
@mellamosean Yeah and the scary thing is, in my country they are introducing muslims slaughter methods in order to not be "racist" since somwhow not killing the animal slowly is being racist against muslims. I'm so tired of the politically correct views of muslims...so tired of the stupidity.
Hermoor 4 months ago
@Hermoor
Well again, there needs to be more research conducted examining the pain felt by animals in each type of slaughter. Then they need to improve the method so that the act is painless, because I highly doubt either method is painless as is. This is not an issue of political correctness. If Muslims refuse to eat non-halal meat, they can become vegetarians like me. If eating meat is more important than living in their country, they can go live in a predominately Muslim country.
mellamosean 4 months ago
@mellamosean It's funny how all problems in the world boils down to two things...religion and stupidity/bad education. If everyone in the world would be as smart as you and me, the way people kill animals would be quick and painless. People would not go to war or blow themself up, so much useless crap would be gone and the schools wouldn't be so dysfunctional as they are. Every problem is easily solved...yet somehow the rulers of society are too dumb to fix them...fix schools and 99% of problems
Hermoor 4 months ago
@mellamosean would be gone...old geezers makes me mad. Mostly because of they way they brainwash young people into their stupid ways of living slaughtering etc...not to start on the media...omg. It makes me sad just thinking about the western media. Actually change the media and the school and 99% of problems would be gone.
Hermoor 4 months ago
@Hermoor
I actually don't think things are quite as simple. But I get what you mean: clarity of information and clarity of thinking would do a lot of good if they were easily achievable .
mellamosean 4 months ago
Seems Dawkins holds Singer in extremely high respect, Hmm i wonder how Dawkins would respond if i was to use the reason ''i'm a religious practicer because of how society would perceive me if i was not, but you are right there is no God''
Hey at least he is honest about eating meat being wrong & doesn't disregard it as trivial or make up bullshit excuses
TheTvrulesthenation 4 months ago 18
@TheTvrulesthenation Very well put. I agree. I wish he was as passionate about the truth in animal welfare as he is in biology and how we came about.
sam8110 3 months ago
The objection to eating human flesh isn't moral it's pragmatic: things which are parasticial on humans will live in humans! The more similar the animal is to you, the more compatible parasites you will ingest.
God damn it people this is not hard, get it right!
KrisdashPaul 4 months ago
@KrisdashPaul uhhh... if you don't eat the cerebrospinal fluid I don't think we'd have much of a problem. Our ancient ancestors used to cannibalize their enemies, and sometimes dead family members, and eat their flesh as well as their marrow, even when it wasn't necessary for survival.
ScottBrown666 4 months ago
@KrisdashPaul I heard that a chief insult among aboriginal Easter Islanders is "the flesh of your mother sticks between my teeth."
ScottBrown666 4 months ago
@ScottBrown666 Look up Kuru. But of course, there would be many many more in the ancient evolutionary days before cooking and modern hygiene.
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pickupthePWN 4 months ago
@pickupthePWN Im vegetarian and that's a lie. What a pathetic and untrue statement.
sam8110 4 months ago
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pickupthePWN 4 months ago
@pickupthePWN
Wow, plants must be really expensive where you live, I guess it's on the moon right?
ZoldierrZzz 4 months ago
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pickupthePWN 4 months ago
@pickupthePWN
Look, don't call me fucking stupid when you clearly haven't studied the facts. You just made a fool out of yourself. Humans can live off plants and that's a fact, not an opinion. Yes, we need protein and dead animal flesh is not the only source of protein. The protein in beans and other non-animal sources of protein are just as good as the protein found in dead animal flesh. It's even better since eating meat can cause over 40 diseases. A plant-based diet is more healthy, fact.
ZoldierrZzz 4 months ago
@ZoldierrZzz Way!! An intelligent human being! Thank you haha. We factually don't need meat and it is not more expensive like @pickupthePWN seems to think. i actually found it cheaper. anyway that is by the by. even if it was more expensive (which it isnt - lame excuse) is an animals life worth taking for a few more pennies in your pocket? i think not.
sam8110 4 months ago
@ZoldierrZzz Lets talk about practical sources of protein here, when stating that a cup of beans on average has about 8 grams of protein, you have to realize that this is far less sufficient than meats. two ounces less than that cup of beans, when in steak, contains 42 grams of protein. this means that you would, infact, need 21 ounces of beans to have as much protein as you could get from one steak. not to mention that beans are most likely not suffiecient for fat.
pickupthePWN 4 months ago
@pickupthePWN Calling me a cunt achieved what exactly? lol how very childish. Which by the way, did not have the desired affect. Do your research, form a valid argument, then come back to me. If you think it is hard being a vegetarian, it is not, you simply need intelligence. Which maybe you'd struggle with? Claiming vegetarian is not healthy is stupid and ignorant.
sam8110 4 months ago
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Richard Dawkins has gone off the rails:
search for Richard Dawkins and male privilege on Phil Plait's Bad Astronomy blog.
Participating in flaming a woman because she dares to say 'don't objectify me at a conference'? Poorly done, Dawkins.
8yankee 4 months ago
wtf did Richard Dawkins just call himself a moron by still eating meat? GG SON
mannyste 4 months ago
Richard Dawkins mercilessly censures the inconsistencies of religion and the religious, yet seems more than happy to accept his own inconsistencies with something as fundamental as animal rights.
If you believe eating animals is wrong, then act accordingly! Do not demonstrate the same hypocrisy that you condemn in others.
paragonbelial 4 months ago 3
@paragonbelial Religious people dont believe they're wrong. Rationality vs irrationality
pickupthePWN 4 months ago
like i said, we are the only ones who really understand suffering, other animals have empathy for their own kind, but not other animals, and while we of course have empathy for our own kind, we have grown to acknowledge we should care about other animals too, even if thats not at all like the rest of the animal world, but its where evolution has brought us, meat tastes good, so we eat it, plain and simple, we shouldnt deprive ourselves of it, nature didnt allow that, we should refine our methods
wheresmywhiskey85 5 months ago
@wheresmywhiskey85 I;m not sure your arguments stick to your philosophy. 1) Our teeth are definately more on the side of vegetarian than carnivorous, look at a cats teeth, true predators, and a bear's teeth, an omnivorous scavenger, and you can see what direction our teeth are going. 2) Just because our brains are programmed to like something doesn't make it right, or even a sensible thing to do. We like the taste of very fatty or sugary foods, but of course no one is arguing that we eat only
Gnoo 4 months ago
@wheresmywhiskey85 these things. Our senses and evolutionary programming and construction are poor indicators of how we should behave or what we should eat.
Gnoo 4 months ago
they are slaughtered to a more humane way, its ingrained in our brains through evolution to like the taste of meat, and just like any other animal, we will crave it, there will never be a day where every human on earth will just only want non animal food, it will in turn create an underground and criminalize in a way a natural part of life, but the way we go about getting that meat i can most certainly say should be changed, i love animals and hate to see any suffer, so suffering should stop
wheresmywhiskey85 5 months ago
while i agree that animals suffer, and we push that on them knowingly, i dont think (not for certain of course) a lion thinks about the suffering of its prey, i dont think the concept can occur in its brain, of course it does in ours, that being said, meat is great, our teeth are made to eat both meat and vegetation, and since "non human" animals dont see whats coming and dont have that idea of fear when they are being led into a slaughterhouse, we should most definitely change the ways
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