Uh oh, This is unwatchable to me -- it appears that this docu response was created by a devote Christian group. What ever you need to soothe your fellow believers. One question tho, do you caucasian, american believers realize your following a Middle Easter religion? Just a thought
Luke 18:33 "And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the THIRD DAY he shall rise again."
Pyramid Texts Utterance 667
1941b "Oh Horus (N.), this hour of the morning, of this ---THIRD DAY ----, is come, when thou surely passet on to heaven, together with the stars, the imperishable stars"
Utterance 556
1382f "this hour of the --THIRD DAY--- comes, where the father Osiris will be reborn as horus, at the place where the gods are born
God is real... its the easiest thing to prove. Think of the most loving gentle person that ever was in your life, i.e. your mother, grandmother, etc.... Now, think of Adolf Hitler, pedophiles, and rapists. Simply put , if there were no God all of the people mentioned above would share the same eternity. There would be no punishment and no reward. Are you prepared to accept that reality? God must exist, or this life is just a twisted dream that amounts to absolutely nothing.
@mightythor4444 That doesn't mean anything. What if there is no punishment after death? Then so what? That doesn't seem to mean anything in our own reality.
@cardnals100 Christians and their silly pagan belief of inherent soul immortality. If they really understood Hebrew scriptures, they'd know that the punishment of sin is death itself and dead people can't really be punished per se, so it speaks of a future resurrection and punishment. According to apostle John, that punishment is the second death, so I guess there really is no other punishment than death itself (which means to cease to exist).
@pewterbot9 AKA On3thought I see your defending your boyfriend On3thought. Is that the best you can do is repeat what I told you because I humiliated you on your channel Muwahahahah
you guys allowed, Peter Joseph, to lie right to your face. and took it all in like spoiled milk. One think I can say for certain is that I am extremely happy that both sides got to speak and it obvious who was being missed informed.
it funny how when ZEITGEIST came out so many people your like "yea i told you so" or "read a book" but as has soon as something come out against it AND with solid proof. "oh, its all a lie" lol you guys are so sad. he provided proof not only from the bible but outside source, which I may add atheist always ask for. But as soon as ya get the information you guys are in a quick hurry to change the subject and talk about something else. you guys are really pathetic.
The biggest problem I have with this is he does not directly confront Acharya S or her sources.Instead he watches someone else interview her while he sets back and make critical and inaccurate statements without even giving her a chance for rebuttal.How lame is that.
For anyone interested you can get the zeitgeist source book here wwwdotstellarhousepublishingdotcomslashzeigeistsourcebookdotpdf or just type zeitgeist source book into your search engine.It does show sources this guy either does not want to know about or simply hasn't taken the time to research.It's obvious his or her research starts and stops with the bible.
I do not believe some of you ever actually watched zeigeist.No one ever said the myths of Christianity came from Egyptian myths.The point she is making is that the Jewish myths of Christianity have a lot of similarities with the Egyptian myths and therefore since they,the Egyptian myths, were first, are the roots of Jewish/Christian myths.
Listen Christian,first of all, I gobble nothing from youtube.Second ,prove Jesus ever really existed.Prove that the messiah is not the sun and the three kings are not orions belt.The bible is just a book of fictional stories written by man to control man.Prove me wrong.Most of christian rituals such as celebrating the winter solstice i.e.Christmas was taken from the pagans.Pagan itself is just a derogatory term given to the ancestrals by the christians to make them seem evil.
This guy is obviously a Christian who feels threatened by the truth.He tried as hard as his little mind could to disprove zeitgeist and didn't come close.He has obviously not researched anything except his own belief system.And,with a closed mind at that.Nice try though.
All the civilizations had access to the Biblical account from Day 1 of creation. They could look up to the heavenly gospel in the constellations, told in the story of the virgin, Virgo/Bethulah, all the way around to Leo, the Lion of the tribe of Judah. biblicalastronomyDOT com. Josephus gives the account of Seth's sons making two pillars with all the names of the constellations, which were still intact at the time of Josephus' writing of Antiquities of the Jews.
misdirection, miscontextualisation, misinformation AND FLAT OUT BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!! IS THIS SHIT ALL YOU FUCKING IDIOTS HAVE?!?!?!?!? GO READ A BOOK!!!!!!!!! LOTS OF THEM!!!!!!!!! it is crap like this that is the reason i reject all religion and all anti religion AND ALL FUCKING OPINION ABOUT ANY OF IT!!!!!!!!! EVERYTHING IS WORTHLESS!!!!!! RIGHT!! LEFT!! UP!! DOWN!! GOOD!! BAD!! ALL SHIT!!!!!!!!!
@dljc1979 You have been utterly, completely BRAINWASHED!
"We will know that we have succeeded when everything the public believes is false"
- William J. Casey (OSS - CIA operative, CIA Director, Knight of Malta (the Vatican militia)
"It’s a lie!"
Athet Pyan Shinthaw Paulu
"When a well packaged web of lies is sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous, and it's speaker a raving lunatic."
@PCREVIEWHQ | i am not into BELIEVING anything, i go by what i know and i'm happy to accept when i don't know anything!!! "We will know that we have succeeded when everything the public believes is false" - who? the general public or the people who going looking for evidence themselves? "It’s a lie!" which? what the general public is told or what independant researchers find?
@PCREVIEWHQ | "When a well packaged web of lies is sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous, and it's speaker a raving lunatic." what? at this point a delusional person would just throw a petty insult at you and call you an idiot and dismiss you but i will tell you that the truth does seem utterly preposterous and it's speakers do sound like raving lunatics, and that is all there is too say about that. YOU CAN THINK WHATEVER YOU WANT TO THINK.
@PCREVIEWHQ | i don't care WHICH things are or are not true, i just want the truth, hey ron paul does the masonic handshake when he meets bigwigs, i'm happy to accept he's part of a big lie to fuck us all IF that is the truth, what YOU need to understand is that people ADAPT and OVERCOME no matter what and that everything dies eventually, the only reason evil thinks it wins anything is because we are not all dead yet!!! evil is delusional!!! being delusional is what evil does!!!
@PCREVIEWHQ | research those pagan gods for yourself, go on!!! see what you find!!! go to the actual museums and libraries where physical evidence can be found, go anywhere you need to, that's what i did!!!
To cave people lacking evolution of their souls, but at least learned English and some Math (see? am not mentioning religion): Google these, and THINK for a change; especially, atheists.
God is a Mathematician;
The Fine Tuning of the Universe;
Evidence for the Fine Tuning of the Universe;
Evolution vs Design: Is the Universe a Cosmic Accident or Does it Display Intelligent Design?
If you graduate, try 'Allegory and Symbolism', then apply ALL to Sacred Texts, that you may see the Light
Congratz for the good work brother Elliot and keep it up, God bless u abundantly. That God work in the hearts with His Spirit, so that people can see the wonderfull work of redemption and the love of God through it.
The simple fact that there were Gods worshiped millennia before Jesus' reported time says it all.
Do you really think ancients who invented God worship had just guessed? Then, thousands of years later Jesus comes along and says he's the real thing? That is special pleading.
Ancients did worship the sun. Without the sun, all life on Earth will perish. Without Jesus life just goes on, just as it did before the myth.
How many different channels do you have? Boomya555 and ZeitgeistDebunked sound just like you. Boomya555 has a very similar way in video layout and critique. Makes one suspect you have many accounts and troll your own channels.
@On3Thought you spanked me so hard, pleas don't flatter your self. Half of it didn't even make sense. And as for no evidence the bible is a product of the Egyptian myth, I think your wrong about that. Check out what my homie teched246 wrote. I don't want to take credit for his work, but he breaks it down pretty good. It starts from # 7 on the comments section. Pleas read them all, it's quite a few. Not to mention baptism,circumcision, passover, ect. were all part of the Egyptian religion.
@ITBAE86trueno Don't flatter myself? Fucktard, you thought this video was about proving the bible was truth when it wasn't. Now your tying to change the subject. Again, I never said that the bible was part of the "Egyptian religion" or not part of the "Egyptian Religion" idiot. My whole point to begin with was to show what the argument it was about.
@On3Thought I would address your initial comment but I don't understand your Neanderthal languish, " lies that the bible product of ancient Egyptian religion". Do you mean "produced". Can you pleas clarify so I can school your dumb ass.
@On3Thought "I don't believe the earth is 6000 years old". But I do believe in ghost aka the holy ghost, a talking snake, a talking jack ass, a talking bush, a 9 hundred year old man (Moses). A man whose strength in his hair. A man living in the belly of a whale. A rotting corpse walking after 3 days, illness caused by devils and grasshoppers walking on four legs, even thou they walk on 6 legs. I think your wearing the TIN FOIL hat. And since you hate homos so much, your probably the biggest fag
@ITBAE86trueno *sigh* Please read my comments , I never presented any arguments in defense of supernatural events. I'm not "Christian" or "Muslim" you mentally retarded underdeveloped ape.
Second, I spanked you so bad that your only option is to attack arguments I never made.Again, the whole point of this video is NOT to prove that the bible is truth but to refute the idea the bible is product of Egyptian myths.
@ On3Thought Part 1 "stupid atheist". This coming from a person who believes: the earth is 6000 years old incantations superstition giants levitation beLIEving in ghost. AKA the holy ghost a talking snake a talking jack ass a talking bush a 9 hundred year old man a man whose strength was in his hair 3 men who walk on fire unharmed a man living in the belly of a whale a rotting corpse walking after 3 days
@ITBAE86trueno I don't believe the earth is 6,000 thousand years old, you Tin Foil hat wearing faggot. Notice, you didn't address the comment I made initially because I embarrassed you.lol Dumb queer.
@ITBAE86trueno He is not trying to prove the bible is truth dumbass, he is exposing the lies that the bible product of ancient Egyptian religion. And to do this you have to pull the words from the bible and compare it tales of the Egyptians, stupid atheist.
@MaetelUsa In the meantime, while you're rolling around in your own feces, struggling to figure it out, i'll leave further evidence that the 3 day death concept comes from Egypt
Pyramid Texts Utterance 667
"this hour of the morning, of this ----THIRD DAY-----, is come, when thou surely passet on to heaven, together with the stars, the imperishable stars
Utterance 556
1382f "When this hour of the morrow comes, this hour of the ----THIRD DAY--- comes, when he will be reborn/resurrected"
@MaetelUsa And christmas IS christian. It's a christian tradition based on the the 3 day death of the sun at the time of winter solstice. The texts doesn't have to say "dec 25", just like it doesn't say that in the pagan texts, nor does jesus have to necessarily have to be born on that date in the story. As long as the Dec 25th symbolism is in the bible (i.e 3 day death, virgin birth, southern cross, star in the east) jesus' symbolic birth date is Dec25th...afterall, he is the sun resurrected.
@teched246 but Jesus was not born dec 25th. dec 25th is however the birthday of nimrod. do you think it would be right to celebrate the birthday of someone who opposed God and then say you are honoring God's son by celebrating it? besides, how can you honor God's son by celebrating a birthday party, by giving gifts to each other but not to the one who's birthday it is?
He is born on dec 25th both in symbolism and in tradition, just like Nimrod was born dec25th symbolically and in tradition. The 3 day death of jesus is a metaphor for the sun at time of the winter solstice. The virgin birth refers to the heliacal rising of Virgo that occured 1 minute into dec 25th. The star in the east is the same "lone star from the east that surrendered itself unto horus", Sirius.
@MaetelUsagi You were presented with evidence for zeitgeist's claim. Instead of being mature and responding intelligently to the material, you ignored it and tried to convert me to biblical belief at the same time. You're desperate and in denial. Apparently,"You are confused" is the level of debate your kind is capable of. Empty words and ad-hominems...pathetic. Grow up and do some research.
There is more to zeitgeist than the religion part, how come you dont debunk the other stuff??? Oh thats right you cant! Stop living in your fantasy world and open your eyes. Jesus did not exist! If you belive that he walked in this earth, than you also belive in bigfoot, aliens, unicorns, and myths, because thats what jesus is, a myth! What makes you so sure that the catholic church isnt corrupt? You dont know that. You have to be open minded about this people.I belive in a god, just not yours.
@gonzalez713tx he is debunking the "foundation" of zeitgeist. just like as a building can not stand without a foundation, zeitgeist has know fallen. please watch to other 11 parts before you make such make such comments. thank you...
@MaetelUsagi You don't know where to find the information, and so your frustration at dead-end research is channeled into biased cynicism. For instance, Horus was the "anointed one" in egypt; if I asked you to cite the texts that states this you would go blank because of your poor research. I, on the other hand, can cite mutiple passages from prominent egyptian texts, that state this. Why is that? Why is your research so poor in spite of how available evidence is? You have a religious bias.
@teched246 the word messiah mean "anointed one". but there are many false messiahs. the bible mentions this in the 24th chapter. all of them stem from nimrod. they all knew the prophecy about the promised seed found at genesis 3:15. but jesus is that promised seed. if you want to hear more, read the book The Two Babylons.
@MaetelUsagi If you're looking to gain converts to christianity, i'd ask you to do so on the pat robertson website. While you're here though let's use logic. If nimrod comes long after horus, how could horus stem from nimrod? Moving along, the word messiah (or masiach) comes from the EGYPTIAN word MESSEH, which means crocodile fat rendered into an oil. The pharoahs, who were Horus in the flesh (sons of god) were anointed with messeh. Hence, the son of god in christianity is a "messiah".
@MaetelUsagi I know what a faundation is and no he has not destroyed the 'foundation' he just went over the religion part. I did see all the other parts for your information and all he talks about is the religion part. So again if you belive in the bible and that jesus existed then you belive in myths. Do you have any proof jesus existed? I dont think so. Why even bother with you guys, you cristians just want to be right, and what ever you say is right. By the way I do belive in a god. Not jesus
sun - son ? im mexican, i understand the movie in spanish as well as in english... well i lost 5 mins more of my time in this video. There are no options: you´re a troll or you are just deeply dumb.
The point is that God keeps sending similar messengers that say the same thing as astrology teaches. It is all one message from the sages and the stars. It is all one message from the sages and the stars. It is all one message from the sages and the stars. Get it? Both Christians and Zeitgeist are partially wrong.
Was the fact that the sun's trajectory in December (right untill the spring equinox) matches the death and ressurection of Jesus Christ. All you do is state that you do not know when the birth of Jesus Christ was. Then how can you claim it's invalid?
Once again, religious people in political ralley mode. You add to nothing but doubt. And how good is that? Do you want to have people killing each other, only to have the world verify their religious claims?
The egyptians deified the sun as three different gods --Osiris, the Father, Horus, the Son, and Ra, the Highest Sun -- each corresponding to at least one of it's 3 key positions throughout the day. Osiris represented the *setting* sun, and is reborn as Horus the *rising* sun.
Ra, who alone represented the *mid-day* sun, completes the trinity as "Ra-Horakty" (translates to "Ra who is Horus of the Two Horizons") the conflation of all three gods and postions of the sun.
lol all it is is SATANS counterfit lol satans occultic religions pervert gods ways thats his thing so even though what u say isnt true at all satan is counterfeiting god so if what u said was true it wouldnt be jesus copying them its them copying gods original disign @teched246
@teched246 This is not true. The Egyptians had an Ennead—a pantheon of nine major gods and goddesses. Osiris, Isis, and Horus were simply three divinities in the pantheon who were closely related by marriage and blood (not surprising, since the Ennead itself was an extended family) and who figured in the same myth cycle. They did not represent the three persons of a single divine being (the Christian understanding of the Trinity). The claim of an Egyptian trinity is simply wrong.
According to the Ikhernofret Stela (2000BC), Osiris' Death and Resurrection was celebrated in a 5 day festival known as the "Passion Plays". He is entombed on the 2nd day, and remains so until the 4th day (3 DAYS). Afterwards -- on the 5th day -- he is reborn AT DAWN.
This is why Horus represented the sun's *rising* position, whereas Osiris represented the sun's *setting* position; Horus is symbolic of Osiris' rebirth/ resurrection AT DAWN.
@teched246 Is the parallel dependent or independent? Even if there is a pagan parallel, that does not mean that there is a causal relationship involved. Two groups may develop similar beliefs, practices, and artifacts totally independently of each other. The idea that similar forms are always the result of diffusion from a common source has long been rejected by archaeology and anthropology.... cont'd
@teched246 cont'd and for very good reason: Humans are similar to each other and live in similar (i.e., terrestrial) environments, leading them to have similar cultural artifacts and views.
@teched246 Even if there is a pagan parallel that is causally related to a non-pagan counterpart, this does not establish which gave rise to the other. It may be that the pagan parallel is a late borrowing from a non-pagan source. Frequently, the pagan sources we have are so late that they have been shaped in reaction to Jewish and Christian ideas. con'd..
@teched246 Cont'd Sometimes it is possible to tell that pagans have been borrowing from non-pagans. Other times, it cannot be discerned who is borrowing from whom (or, indeed, if anyone is borrowing from anyone). For example: The ideas expressed in the Norse Elder Edda about the end and regeneration of the world were probably influenced by the teachings of Christians with whom the Norse had been in contact for centuries (H. A. Guerber, The Norsemen, 339f).
@teched246 Is the parallel treated positively, neutrally, or negatively? Even if there is a pagan parallel to a non-pagan counterpart, that does not mean that the item or concept was enthusiastically or uncritically accepted by non-pagans. One must ask how they regarded it. Did they regard it as something positive, neutral, or negative?
@teched246 For example: Circumcision and the symbol of the cross might be termed "neutral" Jewish and Christian counterparts to pagan parallels. It is quite likely that the early Hebrews first encountered the idea of circumcision among neighboring non-Jewish peoples, but that does not mean they regarded it as a
@teched246 Cont'd Circumcision was regarded as a religiously good thing only for Jews because for them it symbolized a special covenant with the one true God (Gen. 17). The Hebrew scriptures are silent in a religious appraisal of non-Jewish circumcision; they seemed indifferent to the fact that some pagans circumcised.
@teched246 Similarly, the early Christians who adopted the cross as a symbol did not do so because it was a pagan religious symbol (the pagan cultures which use it as a symbol, notably in East Asia and the Americas, had no influence on the early Christians). Cont'd
@teched246 Finally, The cross was used as a Christian symbol because Christ died on a cross—his execution being regarded as a bad thing in itself, in fact, an infinite injustice—but one from which he brought life for the world. Christians did not adopt it because it was a pagan symbol they liked and wanted to copy.
@CatholicApologia "A symbolic mythical or ritual representation of events that would be unendurable in daily life can redeem them and transform them into something pure and can even be pleasurable." Aristotle 200BC. The Jewish reformists who fabricated the NT under the auspices of the RomanEmpire were well aware of the teachings of Aristotle,The crucifiction on the cross becomes the symbolic ritual which redeems the people and brings cathartic feelings during RC Mass 'sold' as the HolySpirit
Note: Again, in the Book of Gates Ra is Ra-Horakty (Ra who is Horus of the two Horizons: the sun travelling from one horizon to the other.)
The 12 gods say unto Ra/Horus: -- "Immerse thyself, O Ra, in the holy lake, whereing the lord of the gods immersed himself, whereunto the souls of the dead approach not; this is what thou thyself hast commanded. O KHUTI...Thier food consisteth of -----BREAD...thier vessels are filled with WINE------
In Chapter 5 of the Book of Gates, Horus is mentioned as having ANOTHER group of 12 in his service, to whom he tells "Live delicatley on the BREAD of HU, and drink ye the Ale of Maat". This ale is later referred to as the "Tchersert Drink" which translates to "Divine Drink".
This concept is reworked in the NT when jesus, at the Eucharist, offers the 12 apostles his body in the form of BREAD and his divine blood in the form of WINE.
The Book of Gates Chapter 3 states that these 12 worshippers of Ra/Horus who spread Truth upon Earth on his behalf, ALSO exorcised unclean spirits: "They who uttered words of power against Apep (and unclean evil spirit)."
jesus' 12 followers are referred to as "apostles". An apostle is one sent forth as a messenger; one SPREADING TRUTH. According to Matthew 10:1, jesus' apostles also drove awy (exorcised) unclean evil spirits.
Note: Ra was a solar deity representing the sun's *mid-day* position while Horus represented the sun's *rising* position. By the time of the Book of Gates, Ra had already been merged with Horus to represent both positions.
The Book of Gates states: "The 12 worshippers of Ra/Horus who are at peace...They who praised Ra/Horus upon Earth...They who spoke Truth upon Earth (On Ra/Horus' behalf)
"Lady of Green Crops, Lady of Bread, Lady of Abundance..." -- Egyptian Book the Dead
It is Sirius (Isis) the beloved daughter, who provides the YEARLY SUSTENANCE (flooding of the Nile for crops) for you in her name of "Year" -- Pyramid Text
"Sirius (Isis) is the opener of the Year's flood"
All of the above depictions of Isis refer to Harvest, which is exactly why the Greeks designated thier constellation of Harvest a VIRGIN.
It is a well known fact that the greek religion is but a mirror of the egyptian religion e.g Dionysis is actually Osiris, Typhon is actually Set, Hermes is actually Thoth, etc. With that said, the glyph for Virgo is a Virgin holding WHEAT (Bread) and CORN (Spica) as Virgo is the constellation of HARVEST, and this is how the Egyptians depicted Isis:
"Lady of GREEN CROPS, Lady of BREAD, Lady of Abundance..." -- Egyptian Book of the Dead Con't...
1. In a text in the Abydos Temple of Seti 1, Isis herself declares:
"I am the great VIRGIN"
2. Found among the glyphs of Dendera, is the depiction of the *non-physical* intercourse between Isis and Osiris. The glyphs show Isis sending out her Bah (spirit), Sothis (a hawk), the hawk being inseminated on Osiris' phallus, and then returning back to Isis. Because the sex between Isis and Osiris was non-physical, her virginity wasn't compromised.
"Isis being ready as Sirius-Sothis (Star in the East) and Horus sopd has come forth from you as Horus who is in Sirius-Sothis." -- Pyramid Text Line 632
"Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is everyone that hangeth on a TREE" (Gal 3:13)
"Jesus bore our sins in his own body on the TREE, that w, being dead to sins, should live unto righteiousness: by whose stripes ye were healed." (1Peter 2:24)
Imagery of the Djed Pillar/ Tree Trunk and Ankh Crossss combination show Osiris-Horus' arms outstretched from the Cross, with two Meri's (Isis and Nephtys) at the base of the figure, similar to the two Mary's shown at jesus' feet in the imagery of the crucifixion.
Our center of focus is the combination of the DJED TREE, in which Osiris was entombed, and the ANKH CROSS, which was combined with the tree. In numerous biblical verses, jesus is said to have died on a tree while tradition holds that it happened on a CROSS. This tree/cross discrepancy is not really a discrepancy, but rather an accomodation of both the DJED and ANKH to form the combination in jesus' myth.
Note: Horus is the rebirth of Osiris. Given that Osiris was betrayed by Typhon, im more than certain that Zeitgeist was referring to the Osiris-Horus combination.
When Osiris was betrayed and killed by Typhon, his body eventually entombed within a TREE TRUNK known as the DJED PILLAR or the "Backbone of Osiris".
The Djed Pillar is one of 3 combined symbols, the two others being the -------EGYPTIAN CROSS (Ankh)------ and the "Was" staff.
"Pines, high-girdled, in a leafy crest, the favorite of the God's Great Mother (Grata Deum Matri),
since in this TREE Attis Cybelious doffed his human shape and stiffened in it's trunk" -- Ovid Metamorphoses 10. 103 (43 BC -- 17 AD)
This is why during the Hilaria festival (3 day death), an effigy of Attis was hung on a PINE TREE and wheeled through the the city of Rome. During the ceremony a BULL representing OSIRIS was sacrificed at the base of the tree
"Seeing that Rama had left, Krishna finding a pippala TREE, sat silently down on the lap of the earth...Having the form of a deer's face, HIS FEET WERE THEN PIERCED by an arrow of a hunter named Jara who thought he saw a deer."
"Child of Lugal Banda's wife and some great force. Gilgamesh is the finest child of Ninsun; who NEVER LET A MAN TOUCH HER, indeed so pure and heavenly, so without sin."
"Surya, the SUN, then said: O Beautiful Kunti! IF YOU SATISFY ME YOUR VIRGINITY WILL REMAIN; nobody will come to know and THERE WILL BE BORN A SON TO YOU exactly like me."
(Devi Bhagavatam, The Second Book, Chapter 6, On the Birth of Pandavas Verses 13-35)
Aruru, the Earth Goddess, is in the greek religion, Demeter, the Earth Goddess, and Demeter was identified as Virgo the Virgin eg "Demeter the Lady of Harvest."
"Aruru thought of Anu. Then she wet her creative fingers, FASHIONED A ROCK, and tossed it as far as she could into the woods. Thus she FATHERED Enkidu."
[Epic of Gilgamesh 2150BC - 2000BC]
This is why Mithra is called "Theos ek Petras" or "God from the Rock" -- he is another versions of Enkidu who was born from the rock created by the Virgin Aruru.
We must ask ourselves what the odds are that Attis' mother is named after an ancient sumerian VIRGIN goddess, and just so happens to concieve Attis without sexual union.(?)
"Zeus let fall in his sleep seed upon the ground, which in the course of time sent up a demon, with two sexual organs, male and female. They called the deom Agdistis. But the gods, fearing agdstis, cut off the male organ. There grew up from it an almond-tree with it's fruit ripe, and a daughter of the river Sangarious (NANA) took the fruit and laid it in her bosom. When it at once disappeared she was with a child (Attis)"
Hilaria was an Ancient Roman solstice festival honouring Attis. It began on EASTER and laaster for 7 days. On the first day of the festival, attis' death is mourned and commemorated. 3 DAYS LATER his resurrection is celebrated.
Brumalia was an anciet roman solstice festival honoouring Dionysis, generally held on December 25th. The festival included drinking and merriment. The name is derived from the latin word "bruma", which means "shortest day". In roman festivals, the Brumalia was a feast of Bacchus, celebrated during the space of 30 days, commencing on November 24th.
"Dionysis was dismembered by the Titans, and Zeus gave his heart torn to bits, to Semele in a drink. When she was made pregnant by this, Juno, changing herself to look like Semele's nurse, said to her: Daughter, ask Zeus to come to you as he comes to Juno, so you may know what pleasure it is to sleep with a god (NEVER KNEW SEX) At her suggestion Semele made this request and was stricken with a thunderbolt"
From "The Gospels of Buddha" chapter titled "Walking on Water"
"This stream shall not prevent me. I shall go and see the Blessed One, AND HE STEPPED UPON THE WATER WHICH WAS FIRM UNDER HIS FEET LIKE A SLAB OF GRANITE"
Here's another buddhist scripture featuring "water walking"
"HE WALKS ON WATER without dividing it, as if on solid ground"
In the Buddha Karita of Asvaghosa translated by E.B. Cowell, F Max Muller and J. Takakusu Book 1 Verse 25 it states: "At the time the CONSTELLATION PUSHYA was auspicious, and from the side of the queen who was purified by her vow her son was bor for the welfare of the world" (Book 1 Verse 25)
The Constellation Pushya was given the title TISHYA, and in various traditions, Sirius, the Star in the East, shares the same title.
3. (English translation of the Buddha-karita of Asvaghosa by E.B. Cowell, F. Max Muller and J. Takakusu, Book 1 Verse 19-20) "Then falling from the host of being in the Tushita heavern...the most excellent of Bodhisatvas suddenly ENTERED A THOUGHT WITHIN HER WOMB."
4. (The Gospels of Buddha Chapter 4) "As the Queen of Heaven she lived on Earth UNTAINTED BY DESIRE (SEX) AND IMMACULATE"
As a matter of fact, the hindu's even have an astrotheology for this alignment. It goes: Rohini's father, Prajapati (Orion), had an incestuous affair with her. When the order was given to execute him for this, Sirius (the Archer) shoots him with an arrow. The three stars on Orion's Belt represent the arrow with which he was shot.
Krishna's birth was signaled by the Star in the East. In the Srimad Bhyagavatam Canto 10 Chapter 3 "The Birth of Krishna" the very first line reads: "Then there was the supreme hour all-auspicious and most suitable with the ROHINI CONSTELLATION rising and all the stars in a FAVORABLE POSITION."
Rohini's corresponding star is Aldebaran. In hindu astronomy Rohini is identified as Aldebaran which is the next star in the Star in the East's alignment with Orion's Be
According to the Srimad Bhagavatam, Vishnu chose Devaki and Vasudeva because they lived the most non-sensual, austere lives. It states that they endured aeons of "TAPASYA" or "MORTIFICATION" (no sex or material enjoyments -- extreme self-discipline). Furthermore, the reason they could not give birth to Krishna in their PAST LIVES was due to having sex just once (gramya-dharma or gramya-bhogan). Instead, they gave birth to Pris'nigarbha (an incomplete Krishna)
In the VISHNU PURANA BOOK V CHAPTER 2 the first verse states quote:
"The nurse fo the universe, Jaggadhatri, thus enjoined by the god of gods, CONVEYED SIX SEVERAL EMBRYOS into the womb of Devaki, and the SEVENTH ONE, after a season into Rohini's womb."
None of Devaki's children were concieved through sex.
The verse below states that Krishna was concieved through mental transmission rather than sex...
"Thereafter accompanied by plenary expansions, the fully opulent Supreme Personality of Godhead, Krishna, was TRANSFERRED FROM THE MIND OF VASUDEVA TO THE MIND OF DEVAKI. Devaki having thus been initiated by Vasudeva became beautiful by carrying Lord Krishna within the core of her heart and womb."
@teched246 In reply to your first comment (Hinduism: Virgin Mother), your quote and in fact the entire Srimad Bhagavatam (aka Bhagavata Purana) are dated between 500CE and 1000CE (AD). If you do not believe me then please look it up on Wikipedia (It holds sources to prove all of my claims for this comment. By the way, I am not actually Christian trying to defend my faith or anything, I'm actually Agnostic, only I double check things even when they support my beliefs.
the thing is that maybe all these "coincidences" coincide perhaps with Roman Catholicism which is not the true church and hides lots of paganism within true Christianity..in fact it may be the "Whore of Babylon" in the Bible. During the Inquisition Catholics tortured true Christians that would not deny Jesus and not follow Mary which could be compared to Semiramis
1. There are possible sources, and so arguments, for & against a thesis like Zeitgeist's of many human spiritual leaders loosely following 1 clear model. You can easily argue for or against. So if either, for or against, feels right to someone, they could adapt a "historical argument".
2. There are genuine sources for much of what Joseph says in his "god person model" thesis, which hold up to historical scrutiny well, even against other suggested evidence.
In the end, much (certainly enough) of what P. Joseph's Zeitgeist film says can be claimed to be possible, and not disproved.
Importantly the spirit of most of what it says is very likely to be right: similarities between god / god part / god family member / chosen one historical figures often are true. And, it's probably very important to be aware of that & what it could mean (another planet of considering!).
3. Unfortunately, P. Joseph's grasp vanishes at the end.
The final part of P. Joseph's "god-figure model" thesis in 'Zeitgeist' dies in the realms of rationality & historical investigation. There is no evidence or suggestion that can point to either (A) that there was no person called Jesus of Nazareth (most historians accept there was) or (B) the man Jesus could not have been either The or A 'Son of God' (or a 'Sun God' for that matter) - whether or not there are many god figures reasonably adhering to a loose model.
...It makes no sense that P. Joseph lost his mind when coming to conclude & judge. But what went before that is serious & historically considerable, and shouldn't be forgotten.
One thing is - nothing to do with Zeitgeist film- I can't understand the debates about whether Jesus (and even the rest of the historical figures considered) is distinctly a / the "Son of God" - or not that but a / the "Sun God". They surely mean the same thing, or something so similar. (I'll expand in a while)
I would like to know where Elliot posted his sources. I would also like to know if he has a college degree, is a egyptologist, archeologist or historian? All I can find is that he is a 25 year old man with an over the top love of his religion. Not exactly an unbiased source.
there are many more videos ive seen that say the same thing. look in the more info panel.
just cause he has some 'over the top' (dont know what rule youre using) doesnt make it biased. im sure the people that made and helped to make the zeitgeist movies are atheist, dosn that make them biased when they spew all this easily refuted anti christian bullshit? if yes then why bitch? if not, what makes them so special that they get a pass?
@TENNSUMITSUMA Absolutely, nobody gets a free pass. All information has to be posted in a science journal and put up for peer review. Otherwise anybody can say anything and pass it off as fact. This is the process by which science sorts science from garbage. The fact that I found links to religion all over his web sites, indicated that Elliot probably was getting his info from places that weren’t posted in science journals or peer reviewed and therefore has to be considered garbage.
@TENNSUMITSUMA Zeitgeist has a 220 page source guide, which I am currently reading to determine the validity of it. I recommend everyone be skeptical of sources. You may also want to watch youtube National Geographics:Egyptian Secrets of the Afterworld. Zahi Hawass's background seems pretty credible.
so u mean to tell me that the 'experts' that combed zeitgeist sources where able to like most of the sources back to about 4 people yet you think you're going to find any different? feel free to remember all of what was said here when you find it.
as for Zahi Hawass, unless he also said zeitgeist was wrong in their claims, he is also irrelevant. there is 0 resurrection account predating jesus and the isis/osiris story isnt a resurrection account at all as many scholars have said
@TENNSUMITSUMA Elliott’s sources are listed at the end of the video are alwaysbeready, bringyou, preventingtruthdecay, thearrowpath, tektonics, answeringinfidels, keithtruth.blogspots. All religious sites that don’t post their work in a science journal or have peer review. Don’t you ever ask yourself, why don’t they ever use a science site not connected to religion? That is because this type of information would never pass peer review and has to be labled garbage.
and thats the mistake you people always make with your science and peer reviews. always thinking that if that god doesnt have the answers then there is no answer.
1 science journals and peer review mean nothing. why cause there are an increased number of people coming out saying that people in the 'scientific community' are manipulated (usually paid off) to say false things or suppress some things in line with what the source f their funding dictate. just ask mike ruppert.
@TENNSUMITSUMA "increased number of people coming out" ...give me a list of non religious people saying this. Discrediting science has long been an angle for religion. Even IF someone was able to fake something in a science journal, that is where peer review works to expose it. You named Mike Rupport, I would like the news article or youtube you would like me to read/watch. I still would like your list of people saying the scientists have been paid off...let me guess religous site said this.
ill give you a list (working on it right now) and weather they are religious or not is irrelevant. just as it would be if the list of people discrediting religion was atheist or not. if its true its true despite the persons views.
evidently you didnt read. PEER REVIEW MEANS NOTHING as people have been paid off or otherwise suppressed despite it and here is the video proof with cold fusion
2 just cause its not in some journal or peer reviewed doesn't mean its garbage. i don't know which god said everything hasto get the ok from science to be true. if u know then tell me.
3 your same argument can be made towards the people that made zeitgeist
4 you cant use science to test religion. in fact you cant use it to test a number of things that we know exist).
Uh oh, This is unwatchable to me -- it appears that this docu response was created by a devote Christian group. What ever you need to soothe your fellow believers. One question tho, do you caucasian, american believers realize your following a Middle Easter religion? Just a thought
catbox1 2 days ago
Excellent video! Thanks Dave for sending it, thanks for posting. Sharing.
sweettina2 1 week ago
i'll pray for you guys.
mightythor4444 3 weeks ago
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Luke 18:33 "And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the THIRD DAY he shall rise again."
Pyramid Texts Utterance 667
1941b "Oh Horus (N.), this hour of the morning, of this ---THIRD DAY ----, is come, when thou surely passet on to heaven, together with the stars, the imperishable stars"
Utterance 556
1382f "this hour of the --THIRD DAY--- comes, where the father Osiris will be reborn as horus, at the place where the gods are born
Consider yourself and chris white debunked
vaevictious 3 weeks ago
@mightythor4444 : Most idiotic proof ever. There is no eternity. When we die, life is over, so your entire point is moot.
MGsubbie 1 month ago
God is real... its the easiest thing to prove. Think of the most loving gentle person that ever was in your life, i.e. your mother, grandmother, etc.... Now, think of Adolf Hitler, pedophiles, and rapists. Simply put , if there were no God all of the people mentioned above would share the same eternity. There would be no punishment and no reward. Are you prepared to accept that reality? God must exist, or this life is just a twisted dream that amounts to absolutely nothing.
mightythor4444 1 month ago
@mightythor4444 That doesn't mean anything. What if there is no punishment after death? Then so what? That doesn't seem to mean anything in our own reality.
cardnals100 1 month ago
@cardnals100 Christians and their silly pagan belief of inherent soul immortality. If they really understood Hebrew scriptures, they'd know that the punishment of sin is death itself and dead people can't really be punished per se, so it speaks of a future resurrection and punishment. According to apostle John, that punishment is the second death, so I guess there really is no other punishment than death itself (which means to cease to exist).
truthinquirer 1 month ago in playlist Zeitgeist Refuted Final Cut: Response to Zeitgeist Part I
@pewterbot9 AKA On3thought I see your defending your boyfriend On3thought. Is that the best you can do is repeat what I told you because I humiliated you on your channel Muwahahahah
ITBAE86trueno 1 month ago
you guys allowed, Peter Joseph, to lie right to your face. and took it all in like spoiled milk. One think I can say for certain is that I am extremely happy that both sides got to speak and it obvious who was being missed informed.
Denis04 1 month ago
it funny how when ZEITGEIST came out so many people your like "yea i told you so" or "read a book" but as has soon as something come out against it AND with solid proof. "oh, its all a lie" lol you guys are so sad. he provided proof not only from the bible but outside source, which I may add atheist always ask for. But as soon as ya get the information you guys are in a quick hurry to change the subject and talk about something else. you guys are really pathetic.
Denis04 1 month ago 2
The biggest problem I have with this is he does not directly confront Acharya S or her sources.Instead he watches someone else interview her while he sets back and make critical and inaccurate statements without even giving her a chance for rebuttal.How lame is that.
Mushinzenkoans 1 month ago
For anyone interested you can get the zeitgeist source book here wwwdotstellarhousepublishingdotcomslashzeigeistsourcebookdotpdf or just type zeitgeist source book into your search engine.It does show sources this guy either does not want to know about or simply hasn't taken the time to research.It's obvious his or her research starts and stops with the bible.
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I do not believe some of you ever actually watched zeigeist.No one ever said the myths of Christianity came from Egyptian myths.The point she is making is that the Jewish myths of Christianity have a lot of similarities with the Egyptian myths and therefore since they,the Egyptian myths, were first, are the roots of Jewish/Christian myths.
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Mushinzenkoans 1 month ago
Listen Christian,first of all, I gobble nothing from youtube.Second ,prove Jesus ever really existed.Prove that the messiah is not the sun and the three kings are not orions belt.The bible is just a book of fictional stories written by man to control man.Prove me wrong.Most of christian rituals such as celebrating the winter solstice i.e.Christmas was taken from the pagans.Pagan itself is just a derogatory term given to the ancestrals by the christians to make them seem evil.
Mushinzenkoans 1 month ago
This guy is obviously a Christian who feels threatened by the truth.He tried as hard as his little mind could to disprove zeitgeist and didn't come close.He has obviously not researched anything except his own belief system.And,with a closed mind at that.Nice try though.
Mushinzenkoans 1 month ago
@Mushinzenkoans Everything in this video is true. How about YOU do some research instead of gobbling up everything you see on YouTube.
WiseInfant 1 month ago
All the civilizations had access to the Biblical account from Day 1 of creation. They could look up to the heavenly gospel in the constellations, told in the story of the virgin, Virgo/Bethulah, all the way around to Leo, the Lion of the tribe of Judah. biblicalastronomyDOT com. Josephus gives the account of Seth's sons making two pillars with all the names of the constellations, which were still intact at the time of Josephus' writing of Antiquities of the Jews.
phxvalleygirl 1 month ago
misdirection, miscontextualisation, misinformation AND FLAT OUT BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!! IS THIS SHIT ALL YOU FUCKING IDIOTS HAVE?!?!?!?!? GO READ A BOOK!!!!!!!!! LOTS OF THEM!!!!!!!!! it is crap like this that is the reason i reject all religion and all anti religion AND ALL FUCKING OPINION ABOUT ANY OF IT!!!!!!!!! EVERYTHING IS WORTHLESS!!!!!! RIGHT!! LEFT!! UP!! DOWN!! GOOD!! BAD!! ALL SHIT!!!!!!!!!
dljc1979 1 month ago 2
@dljc1979 You have been utterly, completely BRAINWASHED!
"We will know that we have succeeded when everything the public believes is false"
- William J. Casey (OSS - CIA operative, CIA Director, Knight of Malta (the Vatican militia)
"It’s a lie!"
Athet Pyan Shinthaw Paulu
"When a well packaged web of lies is sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous, and it's speaker a raving lunatic."
James Dresden
PCREVIEWHQ 1 week ago
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@PCREVIEWHQ | i am not into BELIEVING anything, i go by what i know and i'm happy to accept when i don't know anything!!! "We will know that we have succeeded when everything the public believes is false" - who? the general public or the people who going looking for evidence themselves? "It’s a lie!" which? what the general public is told or what independant researchers find?
dljc1979 1 week ago
@PCREVIEWHQ | "When a well packaged web of lies is sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous, and it's speaker a raving lunatic." what? at this point a delusional person would just throw a petty insult at you and call you an idiot and dismiss you but i will tell you that the truth does seem utterly preposterous and it's speakers do sound like raving lunatics, and that is all there is too say about that. YOU CAN THINK WHATEVER YOU WANT TO THINK.
dljc1979 1 week ago
@PCREVIEWHQ | i don't care WHICH things are or are not true, i just want the truth, hey ron paul does the masonic handshake when he meets bigwigs, i'm happy to accept he's part of a big lie to fuck us all IF that is the truth, what YOU need to understand is that people ADAPT and OVERCOME no matter what and that everything dies eventually, the only reason evil thinks it wins anything is because we are not all dead yet!!! evil is delusional!!! being delusional is what evil does!!!
dljc1979 1 week ago
@PCREVIEWHQ | research those pagan gods for yourself, go on!!! see what you find!!! go to the actual museums and libraries where physical evidence can be found, go anywhere you need to, that's what i did!!!
dljc1979 1 week ago
@EngelbertDingbert I saw all 12 parts, my conclusion is the same.
ITBAE86trueno 2 months ago
To cave people lacking evolution of their souls, but at least learned English and some Math (see? am not mentioning religion): Google these, and THINK for a change; especially, atheists.
God is a Mathematician;
The Fine Tuning of the Universe;
Evidence for the Fine Tuning of the Universe;
Evolution vs Design: Is the Universe a Cosmic Accident or Does it Display Intelligent Design?
If you graduate, try 'Allegory and Symbolism', then apply ALL to Sacred Texts, that you may see the Light
debalazo 2 months ago
This is more like reintroduction to the Matrix.
Facts,Facts,Facts....now read the bible to prove the bible.
Oh, this is only a theory.
ITBAE86trueno 2 months ago
@ITBAE86trueno You didn't make it past part one then?
EngelbertDingbert 2 months ago
One must be stupid to debate about some pointless garbage details.
rMalk89 2 months ago
GTFOH You Sheep. This is the weakest argument I've ever seen. BTW 99.9999 Percent of all the worlds Christians celebrate Christmas.
Enzo2284 3 months ago
Thanks for posting this. too many people get misinformed by watching zeitgeist and addendum
GuerreroDelInfo 3 months ago
Congratz for the good work brother Elliot and keep it up, God bless u abundantly. That God work in the hearts with His Spirit, so that people can see the wonderfull work of redemption and the love of God through it.
The grace and peace of Jesus be with u.
cadumuitacoisa 3 months ago
The bible is based off Jewish myths no Egyptian ones please get your facts straight XD
JWright11794 3 months ago
The simple fact that there were Gods worshiped millennia before Jesus' reported time says it all.
Do you really think ancients who invented God worship had just guessed? Then, thousands of years later Jesus comes along and says he's the real thing? That is special pleading.
Ancients did worship the sun. Without the sun, all life on Earth will perish. Without Jesus life just goes on, just as it did before the myth.
fumanxxx 4 months ago
@fumanxxx Congratulations, you successfully managed to contradict yourself.
roni4000 2 months ago
I've never heard that jesus was born in spring in church they aleays tell me it was in the night from 24th december to 25th???!??
MrJakoep 4 months ago
@MrJakoep read your bible.....
cfdp529 4 months ago
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PampersPete 4 months ago
How many different channels do you have? Boomya555 and ZeitgeistDebunked sound just like you. Boomya555 has a very similar way in video layout and critique. Makes one suspect you have many accounts and troll your own channels.
xPHOENIX269x 4 months ago
@On3Thought Hey theirs no hard feeling right. It's time to move on. Peace
ITBAE86trueno 4 months ago
@On3Thought you spanked me so hard, pleas don't flatter your self. Half of it didn't even make sense. And as for no evidence the bible is a product of the Egyptian myth, I think your wrong about that. Check out what my homie teched246 wrote. I don't want to take credit for his work, but he breaks it down pretty good. It starts from # 7 on the comments section. Pleas read them all, it's quite a few. Not to mention baptism,circumcision, passover, ect. were all part of the Egyptian religion.
ITBAE86trueno 4 months ago
@ITBAE86trueno Don't flatter myself? Fucktard, you thought this video was about proving the bible was truth when it wasn't. Now your tying to change the subject. Again, I never said that the bible was part of the "Egyptian religion" or not part of the "Egyptian Religion" idiot. My whole point to begin with was to show what the argument it was about.
On3Thought 4 months ago
@On3Thought I would address your initial comment but I don't understand your Neanderthal languish, " lies that the bible product of ancient Egyptian religion". Do you mean "produced". Can you pleas clarify so I can school your dumb ass.
ITBAE86trueno 4 months ago
@On3Thought The premise of the debate is your a F*#K N IDIOT
ITBAE86trueno 4 months ago
@On3Thought "I don't believe the earth is 6000 years old". But I do believe in ghost aka the holy ghost, a talking snake, a talking jack ass, a talking bush, a 9 hundred year old man (Moses). A man whose strength in his hair. A man living in the belly of a whale. A rotting corpse walking after 3 days, illness caused by devils and grasshoppers walking on four legs, even thou they walk on 6 legs. I think your wearing the TIN FOIL hat. And since you hate homos so much, your probably the biggest fag
ITBAE86trueno 4 months ago
@ITBAE86trueno *sigh* Please read my comments , I never presented any arguments in defense of supernatural events. I'm not "Christian" or "Muslim" you mentally retarded underdeveloped ape.
Second, I spanked you so bad that your only option is to attack arguments I never made.Again, the whole point of this video is NOT to prove that the bible is truth but to refute the idea the bible is product of Egyptian myths.
On3Thought 4 months ago
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@ITBAE86trueno declared: "And since you hate homos so much, your probably the biggest fag"
So true! Closet queers make the worst homophobes and biggest gay bashers of all! Many wear the cloth of religion.
pewterbot9 2 months ago
@On3Thought don't get mad because your a superstitious ape. :)
Whats with all the hate, I thought you follow the teaching of Jezus. Oh, that's because your full of shit like the bible.
ITBAE86trueno 4 months ago
There r alot of books deliberately left out of the bible also.
RaikenXion 4 months ago in playlist Dis-info and Shill information
@ On3Thought Part 2
Jezus implying that illness is caused by devils. (Matthew 8:16)
Locust, cricket, grasshoppers, walking on 4 legs. (Leviticus 11:20). Last time I check they had 6 legs not 4
Any one with half a brain cell knows this is mythology, you low brow knuckle dragging fool.
ITBAE86trueno 4 months ago
@ITBAE86trueno "stupid trying to prove the bible with the bible"LOL Dawkins groupie doesn't even know what the premise of the debate is.
On3Thought 4 months ago
Since your probably an Atheist slash Faggot lover. He's a verse for you. lmao
Leviticus 18:22 [ 22Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.]
On3Thought 4 months ago
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On3Thought 4 months ago
It's "nerve cell" not "brain cell" dumbass.
On3Thought 4 months ago
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@ITBAE86trueno remarked: "Jezus implying..."
I prefer "Jebus" over "Jezus". Diff strokes for diff folks, as they say!
"you low brow knuckle dragging fool."
Jebus would be proud of you (if he existed). lol
pewterbot9 2 months ago
ITBAE86trueno 4 months ago
@ITBAE86trueno I don't believe the earth is 6,000 thousand years old, you Tin Foil hat wearing faggot. Notice, you didn't address the comment I made initially because I embarrassed you.lol Dumb queer.
On3Thought 4 months ago
Even if he is refuting the film using the bible, he credible facts. There are a good number of Scholars are disagreeing with the Zeitgeist film.
DaBroskiBro 4 months ago
Lmao this is being refuted using the bible? No credibility whatsoever
FiveStarFuhrer 5 months ago
Stupid fucking christians always feel they have to debunk something if it doesnt suit there beliefs
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youneekk 5 months ago
This is more like reintroduction to the matrix.
Facts,Facts,Facts...now read the bible to prove the bible.
Oh, this is only a "theory".
ITBAE86trueno 5 months ago
@ITBAE86trueno He is not trying to prove the bible is truth dumbass, he is exposing the lies that the bible product of ancient Egyptian religion. And to do this you have to pull the words from the bible and compare it tales of the Egyptians, stupid atheist.
On3Thought 4 months ago
every one must see "the fuel project know your enemy" it gives you more insight to this whole new age bullshit
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The7thFantasy 6 months ago
@MaetelUsa In the meantime, while you're rolling around in your own feces, struggling to figure it out, i'll leave further evidence that the 3 day death concept comes from Egypt
Pyramid Texts Utterance 667
"this hour of the morning, of this ----THIRD DAY-----, is come, when thou surely passet on to heaven, together with the stars, the imperishable stars
Utterance 556
1382f "When this hour of the morrow comes, this hour of the ----THIRD DAY--- comes, when he will be reborn/resurrected"
teched246 6 months ago
@MaetelUsa And christmas IS christian. It's a christian tradition based on the the 3 day death of the sun at the time of winter solstice. The texts doesn't have to say "dec 25", just like it doesn't say that in the pagan texts, nor does jesus have to necessarily have to be born on that date in the story. As long as the Dec 25th symbolism is in the bible (i.e 3 day death, virgin birth, southern cross, star in the east) jesus' symbolic birth date is Dec25th...afterall, he is the sun resurrected.
teched246 6 months ago
@teched246 but Jesus was not born dec 25th. dec 25th is however the birthday of nimrod. do you think it would be right to celebrate the birthday of someone who opposed God and then say you are honoring God's son by celebrating it? besides, how can you honor God's son by celebrating a birthday party, by giving gifts to each other but not to the one who's birthday it is?
MaetelUsagi 6 months ago
@MaetelUsagi "but jesus was not born dec25"
He is born on dec 25th both in symbolism and in tradition, just like Nimrod was born dec25th symbolically and in tradition. The 3 day death of jesus is a metaphor for the sun at time of the winter solstice. The virgin birth refers to the heliacal rising of Virgo that occured 1 minute into dec 25th. The star in the east is the same "lone star from the east that surrendered itself unto horus", Sirius.
teched246 6 months ago
@teched246 You are confused!
MaetelUsagi 6 months ago
@MaetelUsagi You're in denial.
teched246 6 months ago
@teched246 Seriously? Are you going to play this game?
MaetelUsagi 6 months ago
@MaetelUsagi You were presented with evidence for zeitgeist's claim. Instead of being mature and responding intelligently to the material, you ignored it and tried to convert me to biblical belief at the same time. You're desperate and in denial. Apparently,"You are confused" is the level of debate your kind is capable of. Empty words and ad-hominems...pathetic. Grow up and do some research.
teched246 6 months ago 2
Christmas is not christian.
MaetelUsagi 6 months ago
@MaetelUsagi That's true. Christmas is originally a pagan occasion. Christians stole it from us because it had a match with their that time beliefs.
Evoral 2 months ago
There is more to zeitgeist than the religion part, how come you dont debunk the other stuff??? Oh thats right you cant! Stop living in your fantasy world and open your eyes. Jesus did not exist! If you belive that he walked in this earth, than you also belive in bigfoot, aliens, unicorns, and myths, because thats what jesus is, a myth! What makes you so sure that the catholic church isnt corrupt? You dont know that. You have to be open minded about this people.I belive in a god, just not yours.
gonzalez713tx 6 months ago
@gonzalez713tx he is debunking the "foundation" of zeitgeist. just like as a building can not stand without a foundation, zeitgeist has know fallen. please watch to other 11 parts before you make such make such comments. thank you...
MaetelUsagi 6 months ago
@MaetelUsagi You don't know where to find the information, and so your frustration at dead-end research is channeled into biased cynicism. For instance, Horus was the "anointed one" in egypt; if I asked you to cite the texts that states this you would go blank because of your poor research. I, on the other hand, can cite mutiple passages from prominent egyptian texts, that state this. Why is that? Why is your research so poor in spite of how available evidence is? You have a religious bias.
teched246 6 months ago
@teched246 the word messiah mean "anointed one". but there are many false messiahs. the bible mentions this in the 24th chapter. all of them stem from nimrod. they all knew the prophecy about the promised seed found at genesis 3:15. but jesus is that promised seed. if you want to hear more, read the book The Two Babylons.
MaetelUsagi 6 months ago
@MaetelUsagi If you're looking to gain converts to christianity, i'd ask you to do so on the pat robertson website. While you're here though let's use logic. If nimrod comes long after horus, how could horus stem from nimrod? Moving along, the word messiah (or masiach) comes from the EGYPTIAN word MESSEH, which means crocodile fat rendered into an oil. The pharoahs, who were Horus in the flesh (sons of god) were anointed with messeh. Hence, the son of god in christianity is a "messiah".
teched246 6 months ago
@MaetelUsagi I know what a faundation is and no he has not destroyed the 'foundation' he just went over the religion part. I did see all the other parts for your information and all he talks about is the religion part. So again if you belive in the bible and that jesus existed then you belive in myths. Do you have any proof jesus existed? I dont think so. Why even bother with you guys, you cristians just want to be right, and what ever you say is right. By the way I do belive in a god. Not jesus
gonzalez713tx 6 months ago
sun - son ? im mexican, i understand the movie in spanish as well as in english... well i lost 5 mins more of my time in this video. There are no options: you´re a troll or you are just deeply dumb.
yoryiboy1 7 months ago
@yoryiboy1 i like turtles
mariano26788 6 months ago
Well done! Thank you for your video, your work and the truth!!
bpm9595 7 months ago
I am glad sum one did this video, when i watched Zeitgeist I was shocked to see bullshit sold as truth.
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agent0sephiroth 8 months ago 2
@agent0sephiroth christians love even the unborn,go figure....
lilbeaveymac 7 months ago
The point is that God keeps sending similar messengers that say the same thing as astrology teaches. It is all one message from the sages and the stars. It is all one message from the sages and the stars. It is all one message from the sages and the stars. Get it? Both Christians and Zeitgeist are partially wrong.
ethericplane 8 months ago
is this by keith truth?
oliveguss 8 months ago
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CatholicApologia 8 months ago
00:17 What Zeitgeist really implied
Was the fact that the sun's trajectory in December (right untill the spring equinox) matches the death and ressurection of Jesus Christ. All you do is state that you do not know when the birth of Jesus Christ was. Then how can you claim it's invalid?
Once again, religious people in political ralley mode. You add to nothing but doubt. And how good is that? Do you want to have people killing each other, only to have the world verify their religious claims?
LunaSeaSane 9 months ago
Horus: Morning Star
Jesus refers to himself as the "Morning Star" in Revelations 22:16: I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright **MORNING STAR** "
Journal of Near Eastern Studies RO Falukner PYRAMID TEXTS: "O MORNING STAR, Horus of the Dlet, divine falcon, widwid-bird whom the sky bore..."
Book of the Dead Chapter 109 "I know the souls fo the easterners, they are Horakty (Horus of the horizons), the sun calf, and the **Morning Star** "
teched246 9 months ago
Nice music n all but it appears teched246 has violently raped you. Hope is a delusion.
Elektr0House 9 months ago
freemasons made this video
welshhibby 9 months ago
Horus: Trinity
The egyptians deified the sun as three different gods --Osiris, the Father, Horus, the Son, and Ra, the Highest Sun -- each corresponding to at least one of it's 3 key positions throughout the day. Osiris represented the *setting* sun, and is reborn as Horus the *rising* sun.
Ra, who alone represented the *mid-day* sun, completes the trinity as "Ra-Horakty" (translates to "Ra who is Horus of the Two Horizons") the conflation of all three gods and postions of the sun.
teched246 9 months ago 9
lol all it is is SATANS counterfit lol satans occultic religions pervert gods ways thats his thing so even though what u say isnt true at all satan is counterfeiting god so if what u said was true it wouldnt be jesus copying them its them copying gods original disign @teched246
cholo123321 9 months ago
@teched246 This is not true. The Egyptians had an Ennead—a pantheon of nine major gods and goddesses. Osiris, Isis, and Horus were simply three divinities in the pantheon who were closely related by marriage and blood (not surprising, since the Ennead itself was an extended family) and who figured in the same myth cycle. They did not represent the three persons of a single divine being (the Christian understanding of the Trinity). The claim of an Egyptian trinity is simply wrong.
CatholicApologia 8 months ago
Horus: 3 Day Entombment and Resurrection
According to the Ikhernofret Stela (2000BC), Osiris' Death and Resurrection was celebrated in a 5 day festival known as the "Passion Plays". He is entombed on the 2nd day, and remains so until the 4th day (3 DAYS). Afterwards -- on the 5th day -- he is reborn AT DAWN.
This is why Horus represented the sun's *rising* position, whereas Osiris represented the sun's *setting* position; Horus is symbolic of Osiris' rebirth/ resurrection AT DAWN.
teched246 9 months ago 10
@teched246 Is the parallel dependent or independent? Even if there is a pagan parallel, that does not mean that there is a causal relationship involved. Two groups may develop similar beliefs, practices, and artifacts totally independently of each other. The idea that similar forms are always the result of diffusion from a common source has long been rejected by archaeology and anthropology.... cont'd
CatholicApologia 8 months ago
@teched246 cont'd and for very good reason: Humans are similar to each other and live in similar (i.e., terrestrial) environments, leading them to have similar cultural artifacts and views.
CatholicApologia 8 months ago
@teched246 Even if there is a pagan parallel that is causally related to a non-pagan counterpart, this does not establish which gave rise to the other. It may be that the pagan parallel is a late borrowing from a non-pagan source. Frequently, the pagan sources we have are so late that they have been shaped in reaction to Jewish and Christian ideas. con'd..
CatholicApologia 8 months ago
@teched246 Cont'd Sometimes it is possible to tell that pagans have been borrowing from non-pagans. Other times, it cannot be discerned who is borrowing from whom (or, indeed, if anyone is borrowing from anyone). For example: The ideas expressed in the Norse Elder Edda about the end and regeneration of the world were probably influenced by the teachings of Christians with whom the Norse had been in contact for centuries (H. A. Guerber, The Norsemen, 339f).
CatholicApologia 8 months ago
@teched246 Is the parallel treated positively, neutrally, or negatively? Even if there is a pagan parallel to a non-pagan counterpart, that does not mean that the item or concept was enthusiastically or uncritically accepted by non-pagans. One must ask how they regarded it. Did they regard it as something positive, neutral, or negative?
Cont'd
CatholicApologia 8 months ago
@teched246 For example: Circumcision and the symbol of the cross might be termed "neutral" Jewish and Christian counterparts to pagan parallels. It is quite likely that the early Hebrews first encountered the idea of circumcision among neighboring non-Jewish peoples, but that does not mean they regarded it as a
religiously good thing for non-Jews to do. Cont'd
CatholicApologia 8 months ago
@teched246 Cont'd Circumcision was regarded as a religiously good thing only for Jews because for them it symbolized a special covenant with the one true God (Gen. 17). The Hebrew scriptures are silent in a religious appraisal of non-Jewish circumcision; they seemed indifferent to the fact that some pagans circumcised.
CatholicApologia 8 months ago
@teched246 Similarly, the early Christians who adopted the cross as a symbol did not do so because it was a pagan religious symbol (the pagan cultures which use it as a symbol, notably in East Asia and the Americas, had no influence on the early Christians). Cont'd
CatholicApologia 8 months ago
@teched246 Finally, The cross was used as a Christian symbol because Christ died on a cross—his execution being regarded as a bad thing in itself, in fact, an infinite injustice—but one from which he brought life for the world. Christians did not adopt it because it was a pagan symbol they liked and wanted to copy.
CatholicApologia 8 months ago
@CatholicApologia "A symbolic mythical or ritual representation of events that would be unendurable in daily life can redeem them and transform them into something pure and can even be pleasurable." Aristotle 200BC. The Jewish reformists who fabricated the NT under the auspices of the RomanEmpire were well aware of the teachings of Aristotle,The crucifiction on the cross becomes the symbolic ritual which redeems the people and brings cathartic feelings during RC Mass 'sold' as the HolySpirit
PAULOcbi 7 months ago
Horus: Baptism + Eucharist
Book of Gates Chapter 5
Note: Again, in the Book of Gates Ra is Ra-Horakty (Ra who is Horus of the two Horizons: the sun travelling from one horizon to the other.)
The 12 gods say unto Ra/Horus: -- "Immerse thyself, O Ra, in the holy lake, whereing the lord of the gods immersed himself, whereunto the souls of the dead approach not; this is what thou thyself hast commanded. O KHUTI...Thier food consisteth of -----BREAD...thier vessels are filled with WINE------
teched246 9 months ago 2
Horus: Baptism
"Raise yourself, my father, recieve these your Four pleasant provision-jars
bathe in the Lake of Anubis (Anup), be cleansed in the Lake of the Netherworld." -- Pyramid Text 512
teched246 9 months ago
Horus: Eucharist
In Chapter 5 of the Book of Gates, Horus is mentioned as having ANOTHER group of 12 in his service, to whom he tells "Live delicatley on the BREAD of HU, and drink ye the Ale of Maat". This ale is later referred to as the "Tchersert Drink" which translates to "Divine Drink".
This concept is reworked in the NT when jesus, at the Eucharist, offers the 12 apostles his body in the form of BREAD and his divine blood in the form of WINE.
teched246 9 months ago
Horus: 12 Apostles Con't (1)
The Book of Gates Chapter 3 states that these 12 worshippers of Ra/Horus who spread Truth upon Earth on his behalf, ALSO exorcised unclean spirits: "They who uttered words of power against Apep (and unclean evil spirit)."
jesus' 12 followers are referred to as "apostles". An apostle is one sent forth as a messenger; one SPREADING TRUTH. According to Matthew 10:1, jesus' apostles also drove awy (exorcised) unclean evil spirits.
teched246 9 months ago
Horus: 12 Apostles
The Book of Gates
Chapter 3
The Gate of Saa-Set
The Second Division of Tuat
Note: Ra was a solar deity representing the sun's *mid-day* position while Horus represented the sun's *rising* position. By the time of the Book of Gates, Ra had already been merged with Horus to represent both positions.
The Book of Gates states: "The 12 worshippers of Ra/Horus who are at peace...They who praised Ra/Horus upon Earth...They who spoke Truth upon Earth (On Ra/Horus' behalf)
teched246 9 months ago
Horus: Virgin Mother Con't (2)
Isis/Virgo depiction:
"Lady of Green Crops, Lady of Bread, Lady of Abundance..." -- Egyptian Book the Dead
It is Sirius (Isis) the beloved daughter, who provides the YEARLY SUSTENANCE (flooding of the Nile for crops) for you in her name of "Year" -- Pyramid Text
"Sirius (Isis) is the opener of the Year's flood"
All of the above depictions of Isis refer to Harvest, which is exactly why the Greeks designated thier constellation of Harvest a VIRGIN.
teched246 9 months ago
Horus: Virgin Mother Con't (1)
It is a well known fact that the greek religion is but a mirror of the egyptian religion e.g Dionysis is actually Osiris, Typhon is actually Set, Hermes is actually Thoth, etc. With that said, the glyph for Virgo is a Virgin holding WHEAT (Bread) and CORN (Spica) as Virgo is the constellation of HARVEST, and this is how the Egyptians depicted Isis:
"Lady of GREEN CROPS, Lady of BREAD, Lady of Abundance..." -- Egyptian Book of the Dead Con't...
teched246 9 months ago 2
Horus: Virgin Mother
1. In a text in the Abydos Temple of Seti 1, Isis herself declares:
"I am the great VIRGIN"
2. Found among the glyphs of Dendera, is the depiction of the *non-physical* intercourse between Isis and Osiris. The glyphs show Isis sending out her Bah (spirit), Sothis (a hawk), the hawk being inseminated on Osiris' phallus, and then returning back to Isis. Because the sex between Isis and Osiris was non-physical, her virginity wasn't compromised.
teched246 9 months ago 2
Horus: Star in the East
"Isis being ready as Sirius-Sothis (Star in the East) and Horus sopd has come forth from you as Horus who is in Sirius-Sothis." -- Pyramid Text Line 632
teched246 9 months ago
Jesus: Crucified on a Tree Con't (1)
"The god of our father raised up, who ye slew and hanged on a TREE." (Acts 5:30)
"And we are witnessess of all things which jesus did both in the land of the jews, and in Jerusalem; who ye slew and hanged on a TREE" (Acts 10:39)
"And when they had fulfilled all that was written of him, they took jesus down from the TREE and laid him in a sepulchre."(Acts 13:29)
teched246 9 months ago
Jesus: Crucified on a Tree
"Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is everyone that hangeth on a TREE" (Gal 3:13)
"Jesus bore our sins in his own body on the TREE, that w, being dead to sins, should live unto righteiousness: by whose stripes ye were healed." (1Peter 2:24)
teched246 9 months ago
Horus: Crucified on a Tree Con't (2)
Imagery of the Djed Pillar/ Tree Trunk and Ankh Crossss combination show Osiris-Horus' arms outstretched from the Cross, with two Meri's (Isis and Nephtys) at the base of the figure, similar to the two Mary's shown at jesus' feet in the imagery of the crucifixion.
teched246 9 months ago
Horus: Crucified on a Tree Con't (1)
Our center of focus is the combination of the DJED TREE, in which Osiris was entombed, and the ANKH CROSS, which was combined with the tree. In numerous biblical verses, jesus is said to have died on a tree while tradition holds that it happened on a CROSS. This tree/cross discrepancy is not really a discrepancy, but rather an accomodation of both the DJED and ANKH to form the combination in jesus' myth.
teched246 9 months ago
Horus: Crucified on a Tree
Note: Horus is the rebirth of Osiris. Given that Osiris was betrayed by Typhon, im more than certain that Zeitgeist was referring to the Osiris-Horus combination.
When Osiris was betrayed and killed by Typhon, his body eventually entombed within a TREE TRUNK known as the DJED PILLAR or the "Backbone of Osiris".
The Djed Pillar is one of 3 combined symbols, the two others being the -------EGYPTIAN CROSS (Ankh)------ and the "Was" staff.
teched246 9 months ago
Attis: Crucified on a Tree
"Pines, high-girdled, in a leafy crest, the favorite of the God's Great Mother (Grata Deum Matri),
since in this TREE Attis Cybelious doffed his human shape and stiffened in it's trunk" -- Ovid Metamorphoses 10. 103 (43 BC -- 17 AD)
This is why during the Hilaria festival (3 day death), an effigy of Attis was hung on a PINE TREE and wheeled through the the city of Rome. During the ceremony a BULL representing OSIRIS was sacrificed at the base of the tree
teched246 9 months ago
Krishna: Crucified on a Tree
Srimad Bhagavatam
Canto 11
Chapter 30
Verse 27-33
"Seeing that Rama had left, Krishna finding a pippala TREE, sat silently down on the lap of the earth...Having the form of a deer's face, HIS FEET WERE THEN PIERCED by an arrow of a hunter named Jara who thought he saw a deer."
teched246 9 months ago
Gilgamesh: Virgin Mother
"Child of Lugal Banda's wife and some great force. Gilgamesh is the finest child of Ninsun; who NEVER LET A MAN TOUCH HER, indeed so pure and heavenly, so without sin."
[Epic of Gilgamesh]
teched246 9 months ago
Shaktism: Virgin Mother
"Surya, the SUN, then said: O Beautiful Kunti! IF YOU SATISFY ME YOUR VIRGINITY WILL REMAIN; nobody will come to know and THERE WILL BE BORN A SON TO YOU exactly like me."
(Devi Bhagavatam, The Second Book, Chapter 6, On the Birth of Pandavas Verses 13-35)
teched246 9 months ago
Mithra: Virgin Mother Con't (1)
Aruru, the Earth Goddess, is in the greek religion, Demeter, the Earth Goddess, and Demeter was identified as Virgo the Virgin eg "Demeter the Lady of Harvest."
teched246 9 months ago
Mithra: Virgin Mother
"Aruru thought of Anu. Then she wet her creative fingers, FASHIONED A ROCK, and tossed it as far as she could into the woods. Thus she FATHERED Enkidu."
[Epic of Gilgamesh 2150BC - 2000BC]
This is why Mithra is called "Theos ek Petras" or "God from the Rock" -- he is another versions of Enkidu who was born from the rock created by the Virgin Aruru.
teched246 9 months ago
Attis: Virgin Mother Con't (2)
We must ask ourselves what the odds are that Attis' mother is named after an ancient sumerian VIRGIN goddess, and just so happens to concieve Attis without sexual union.(?)
teched246 9 months ago
Attis: Virgin Mother Con't (1)
Attis' mother, Nana, is named after the ancient sumerian VIRGIN GODDESS, INANA.
A mythical fragment in a hymn cycle to Inana reads (note : MAIDEN means VIRGIN)
Verses 10-22 " My lady, on your aquiring the stature of Heaven, MAIDEN (VIRGIN) Inana."
Verses 23-24 "I shall praise the lady of battle, the great child of Suen, MAIDEN (VIRGIN) Inana."
teched246 9 months ago
Attis: Virgin Mother
"Zeus let fall in his sleep seed upon the ground, which in the course of time sent up a demon, with two sexual organs, male and female. They called the deom Agdistis. But the gods, fearing agdstis, cut off the male organ. There grew up from it an almond-tree with it's fruit ripe, and a daughter of the river Sangarious (NANA) took the fruit and laid it in her bosom. When it at once disappeared she was with a child (Attis)"
[Hermesniax 330 B.C.]
teched246 9 months ago
Attis: 3 day Death and Resurrection
Hilaria was an Ancient Roman solstice festival honouring Attis. It began on EASTER and laaster for 7 days. On the first day of the festival, attis' death is mourned and commemorated. 3 DAYS LATER his resurrection is celebrated.
teched246 9 months ago
Dionysis: December 25th
Brumalia was an anciet roman solstice festival honoouring Dionysis, generally held on December 25th. The festival included drinking and merriment. The name is derived from the latin word "bruma", which means "shortest day". In roman festivals, the Brumalia was a feast of Bacchus, celebrated during the space of 30 days, commencing on November 24th.
teched246 9 months ago
Dionysis: Virgin Mother, Death and Resurrection
HYGINUS FABULAE 167 (1st Century BC)
"Dionysis was dismembered by the Titans, and Zeus gave his heart torn to bits, to Semele in a drink. When she was made pregnant by this, Juno, changing herself to look like Semele's nurse, said to her: Daughter, ask Zeus to come to you as he comes to Juno, so you may know what pleasure it is to sleep with a god (NEVER KNEW SEX) At her suggestion Semele made this request and was stricken with a thunderbolt"
teched246 9 months ago
Buddhism: Walking on Water
From "The Gospels of Buddha" chapter titled "Walking on Water"
"This stream shall not prevent me. I shall go and see the Blessed One, AND HE STEPPED UPON THE WATER WHICH WAS FIRM UNDER HIS FEET LIKE A SLAB OF GRANITE"
Here's another buddhist scripture featuring "water walking"
"HE WALKS ON WATER without dividing it, as if on solid ground"
Digha Nikaya Chapter 11 (29 B.C)
teched246 9 months ago
Buddhism: Star in the East
In the Buddha Karita of Asvaghosa translated by E.B. Cowell, F Max Muller and J. Takakusu Book 1 Verse 25 it states: "At the time the CONSTELLATION PUSHYA was auspicious, and from the side of the queen who was purified by her vow her son was bor for the welfare of the world" (Book 1 Verse 25)
The Constellation Pushya was given the title TISHYA, and in various traditions, Sirius, the Star in the East, shares the same title.
teched246 9 months ago
Buddhism: Virgin Mother Con't (1)
3. (English translation of the Buddha-karita of Asvaghosa by E.B. Cowell, F. Max Muller and J. Takakusu, Book 1 Verse 19-20) "Then falling from the host of being in the Tushita heavern...the most excellent of Bodhisatvas suddenly ENTERED A THOUGHT WITHIN HER WOMB."
4. (The Gospels of Buddha Chapter 4) "As the Queen of Heaven she lived on Earth UNTAINTED BY DESIRE (SEX) AND IMMACULATE"
teched246 9 months ago
Buddhism: Virgin Mother
1. Buddhacarita, Asvaghosa. Translated by Conze, E. (1959), [Buddhist Scriptures]
"One day she concieved the fruit of her womb but without any DEFILMENT (SEX)"
2. (The Life of Buddha Chapter 1)
"My Lord I ask you to respect my austere life. Do not enter the dim forest of desire; allow me to observe the HOLY LAW OF ABSTINENCE."
Con't...
teched246 9 months ago
Hinduism: Star in the East Con't (1)
As a matter of fact, the hindu's even have an astrotheology for this alignment. It goes: Rohini's father, Prajapati (Orion), had an incestuous affair with her. When the order was given to execute him for this, Sirius (the Archer) shoots him with an arrow. The three stars on Orion's Belt represent the arrow with which he was shot.
teched246 9 months ago
Hinduism: Star in the East
Krishna's birth was signaled by the Star in the East. In the Srimad Bhyagavatam Canto 10 Chapter 3 "The Birth of Krishna" the very first line reads: "Then there was the supreme hour all-auspicious and most suitable with the ROHINI CONSTELLATION rising and all the stars in a FAVORABLE POSITION."
Rohini's corresponding star is Aldebaran. In hindu astronomy Rohini is identified as Aldebaran which is the next star in the Star in the East's alignment with Orion's Be
teched246 9 months ago
Hinduism: Virgin Mother Con't (2)
According to the Srimad Bhagavatam, Vishnu chose Devaki and Vasudeva because they lived the most non-sensual, austere lives. It states that they endured aeons of "TAPASYA" or "MORTIFICATION" (no sex or material enjoyments -- extreme self-discipline). Furthermore, the reason they could not give birth to Krishna in their PAST LIVES was due to having sex just once (gramya-dharma or gramya-bhogan). Instead, they gave birth to Pris'nigarbha (an incomplete Krishna)
teched246 9 months ago
Hinduism: Virgin Mother Con't (1)
In the VISHNU PURANA BOOK V CHAPTER 2 the first verse states quote:
"The nurse fo the universe, Jaggadhatri, thus enjoined by the god of gods, CONVEYED SIX SEVERAL EMBRYOS into the womb of Devaki, and the SEVENTH ONE, after a season into Rohini's womb."
None of Devaki's children were concieved through sex.
teched246 9 months ago
Hinduism: Virgin Mother
The verse below states that Krishna was concieved through mental transmission rather than sex...
"Thereafter accompanied by plenary expansions, the fully opulent Supreme Personality of Godhead, Krishna, was TRANSFERRED FROM THE MIND OF VASUDEVA TO THE MIND OF DEVAKI. Devaki having thus been initiated by Vasudeva became beautiful by carrying Lord Krishna within the core of her heart and womb."
[Srimad Bhagavatam Canto Chapter 2 Verse 18]
teched246 9 months ago
@teched246 In reply to your first comment (Hinduism: Virgin Mother), your quote and in fact the entire Srimad Bhagavatam (aka Bhagavata Purana) are dated between 500CE and 1000CE (AD). If you do not believe me then please look it up on Wikipedia (It holds sources to prove all of my claims for this comment. By the way, I am not actually Christian trying to defend my faith or anything, I'm actually Agnostic, only I double check things even when they support my beliefs.
blitzviridis 4 months ago
Zeitgeist VS Christianity. Two absurd cults battle it out they're both bullshit.
MrErisian 9 months ago
the thing is that maybe all these "coincidences" coincide perhaps with Roman Catholicism which is not the true church and hides lots of paganism within true Christianity..in fact it may be the "Whore of Babylon" in the Bible. During the Inquisition Catholics tortured true Christians that would not deny Jesus and not follow Mary which could be compared to Semiramis
patriciacarrasco 10 months ago
3 important things to note:
1. There are possible sources, and so arguments, for & against a thesis like Zeitgeist's of many human spiritual leaders loosely following 1 clear model. You can easily argue for or against. So if either, for or against, feels right to someone, they could adapt a "historical argument".
2. There are genuine sources for much of what Joseph says in his "god person model" thesis, which hold up to historical scrutiny well, even against other suggested evidence.
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lecochonbleu 10 months ago
... cont.
In the end, much (certainly enough) of what P. Joseph's Zeitgeist film says can be claimed to be possible, and not disproved.
Importantly the spirit of most of what it says is very likely to be right: similarities between god / god part / god family member / chosen one historical figures often are true. And, it's probably very important to be aware of that & what it could mean (another planet of considering!).
3. Unfortunately, P. Joseph's grasp vanishes at the end.
more > ...
lecochonbleu 10 months ago
...cont.
The final part of P. Joseph's "god-figure model" thesis in 'Zeitgeist' dies in the realms of rationality & historical investigation. There is no evidence or suggestion that can point to either (A) that there was no person called Jesus of Nazareth (most historians accept there was) or (B) the man Jesus could not have been either The or A 'Son of God' (or a 'Sun God' for that matter) - whether or not there are many god figures reasonably adhering to a loose model.
more > ...
lecochonbleu 10 months ago
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...It makes no sense that P. Joseph lost his mind when coming to conclude & judge. But what went before that is serious & historically considerable, and shouldn't be forgotten.
One thing is - nothing to do with Zeitgeist film- I can't understand the debates about whether Jesus (and even the rest of the historical figures considered) is distinctly a / the "Son of God" - or not that but a / the "Sun God". They surely mean the same thing, or something so similar. (I'll expand in a while)
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this is just more proof of how false religion is!!!!
CRONICFACE 11 months ago
this is just more proof of how false religion is!!!! thanx
CRONICFACE 11 months ago
@CRONICFACE
how exactly?
TENNSUMITSUMA 10 months ago
I would like to know where Elliot posted his sources. I would also like to know if he has a college degree, is a egyptologist, archeologist or historian? All I can find is that he is a 25 year old man with an over the top love of his religion. Not exactly an unbiased source.
Information39 11 months ago
@Information39
there are many more videos ive seen that say the same thing. look in the more info panel.
just cause he has some 'over the top' (dont know what rule youre using) doesnt make it biased. im sure the people that made and helped to make the zeitgeist movies are atheist, dosn that make them biased when they spew all this easily refuted anti christian bullshit? if yes then why bitch? if not, what makes them so special that they get a pass?
TENNSUMITSUMA 10 months ago
@TENNSUMITSUMA Absolutely, nobody gets a free pass. All information has to be posted in a science journal and put up for peer review. Otherwise anybody can say anything and pass it off as fact. This is the process by which science sorts science from garbage. The fact that I found links to religion all over his web sites, indicated that Elliot probably was getting his info from places that weren’t posted in science journals or peer reviewed and therefore has to be considered garbage.
Information39 10 months ago
@Information39
'Absolutely, nobody gets a free pass'
then where is your call for peer reviewed scientific journals on the part of the people that made zeitgeist?
TENNSUMITSUMA 10 months ago
@TENNSUMITSUMA Zeitgeist has a 220 page source guide, which I am currently reading to determine the validity of it. I recommend everyone be skeptical of sources. You may also want to watch youtube National Geographics:Egyptian Secrets of the Afterworld. Zahi Hawass's background seems pretty credible.
Information39 10 months ago
@Information39
so u mean to tell me that the 'experts' that combed zeitgeist sources where able to like most of the sources back to about 4 people yet you think you're going to find any different? feel free to remember all of what was said here when you find it.
as for Zahi Hawass, unless he also said zeitgeist was wrong in their claims, he is also irrelevant. there is 0 resurrection account predating jesus and the isis/osiris story isnt a resurrection account at all as many scholars have said
TENNSUMITSUMA 10 months ago
@TENNSUMITSUMA Elliott’s sources are listed at the end of the video are alwaysbeready, bringyou, preventingtruthdecay, thearrowpath, tektonics, answeringinfidels, keithtruth.blogspots. All religious sites that don’t post their work in a science journal or have peer review. Don’t you ever ask yourself, why don’t they ever use a science site not connected to religion? That is because this type of information would never pass peer review and has to be labled garbage.
Information39 10 months ago
@Information39
and thats the mistake you people always make with your science and peer reviews. always thinking that if that god doesnt have the answers then there is no answer.
1 science journals and peer review mean nothing. why cause there are an increased number of people coming out saying that people in the 'scientific community' are manipulated (usually paid off) to say false things or suppress some things in line with what the source f their funding dictate. just ask mike ruppert.
TENNSUMITSUMA 10 months ago
@TENNSUMITSUMA "increased number of people coming out" ...give me a list of non religious people saying this. Discrediting science has long been an angle for religion. Even IF someone was able to fake something in a science journal, that is where peer review works to expose it. You named Mike Rupport, I would like the news article or youtube you would like me to read/watch. I still would like your list of people saying the scientists have been paid off...let me guess religous site said this.
Information39 10 months ago
@Information39
ill give you a list (working on it right now) and weather they are religious or not is irrelevant. just as it would be if the list of people discrediting religion was atheist or not. if its true its true despite the persons views.
evidently you didnt read. PEER REVIEW MEANS NOTHING as people have been paid off or otherwise suppressed despite it and here is the video proof with cold fusion
watch?v=FJ9DXAJudmg
as for ruppert, go watch collapse.
TENNSUMITSUMA 10 months ago
@Information39
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2 just cause its not in some journal or peer reviewed doesn't mean its garbage. i don't know which god said everything hasto get the ok from science to be true. if u know then tell me.
3 your same argument can be made towards the people that made zeitgeist
4 you cant use science to test religion. in fact you cant use it to test a number of things that we know exist).
TENNSUMITSUMA 10 months ago