this guy is so disorganized. poor old man will not except it. ive read the quran and guys and females it is not what they make it to be. why isnt there ever a female debate over this topic.
YOu will attack me ....? It looks like we are really in times of violence...London, then Manchester, then....me...? God, I really do not want to believe in ALlah......keep Allah to yourself....Thank you very much...Love invades your heart as I see...
Jesus is much better respected than Mohammed. Mohammed has killed people while Jesus has never killed anyone... Jesus has love while Mohammed hatred toward those who do not believe in the Koran.
@jdemeulenaer123 That is not true, Mohammed (alihsalam) cars less of those who should or shouldn't belive in the quran to reach a point to kill them,he was delivering a message! he was shouting it loud and clear like Jesus!! However, lets not be hypocrits jdemeulenaer, if you atacked me, I will atack you back! And I don't need religion or law to justify my act of defence!! It was war time,, Otherwise, how do you justify slavery?Crusaders?world war 1/2?Iraq/Vitnam/Afgan O U who belive in Jesus?
christians are the most illogical persons of the history of humanity, you believe in the trinity, and you say the father is god, the son is god and the holy spirit is god but the three make only 1 god. plz answer this question and be rational and truthfull, to who was jesus praying, to the father ? so there's more than one god, to himself ? the most illogical answer of all time, a god praying himself, and saying that he never prayed is the biggest lie ever, everybody knows he did
@1bacsceco Jesus, the human, prayed to God his Father. As I have written to you in other locations. What confuses you is that the Messiah was foretold to be FULLY HUMAN and FULLY GOD. The question you ask indicates that you have yet to accept that fact.
Isaiah 9:6 clearly tells us that a child would be BORN (Human) and he would be called Mighty God and Everlasting Father (God). Philippians 2:5-7 tells us that Jesus existed in the very form of God and yet took on the form of Humanity.(Cont.)
You claim illogic and yet I've already given example that is perfectly logical. Husband and wife form ONE marriage. Each is FULLY married. If either husband or wife were not present in the marriage, there would be no marriage. Yet, while each is fully married, there are not TWO marriages. There is ONE marriage in two persons.
The Father is FULLY God, the Son and Holy Spirit as well. Yet, there are not three Gods but one in three persons.
@jorsak ok i won't argue with you, but would you explain why he was praying and worshipping God, "his father", if he was a god ==> omnipotent and omniscient, if he had a god's power, why did he pray to get something instead of doing it himself, why did he ask God for something while he could do it himself without any help from anyone ?!!!
@1bacsceco He was a Jew. A Jew that followed all the law. He kept the sabbath, he worshiped, he observed the feasts, etc. He was a righteous Jew. He had to follow the law in order to be without sin and that included worship and prayer.
He had ALL the behaviors a fully righteous human Jew would exhibit my friend. He was FULLY human as he was FULLY God.
@jorsak yeh Right!! A jew who killed by Jews because they found out he was not Jew right? Fully God U liyer? Did U C him actting as god dud? weren't U programed since U intire little life, I mean U could B 100 years old.. but 1900 yeas after the man was live,so? who programed U to say that? Don't lie, in fact who gives a fuck or cares if U do.. lie or not.. U guys lied the lie untill U trully belived it :D the vido up there is not made to tell U be Muslim, but to say, U guys R messed up :D
@shadowkill2007 You state, " A jew who killed by Jews because they found out he was not Jew right?"
I'm unclear as to what your trying to say. Jesus was a Jew. He was killed by the religious leaders because the ultimately fear losing their positions of power as Jesus continued to draw the masses to him. They ultimately fulfilled the plan which was that the Messiah came to die for the sins of mankind.
You then ask, "Fully God U liyer? Did U C him actting as god dud? "
@ahmer1 Understand you feel that way, however, there are no arguments of Deedat's that remain standing. Choose any single argument of his and I will demonstrate.
@ahmer1 As I stated, Choose any single argument of his and I will demonstrate.
What I have learned is that it never will matter how much proof I give. I can show you in scripture exactly where Jesus is called God. You do not wish to see it and thus you will not receive it. When you are ready to receive the truth the teacher will appear.
Christians belief in the religon Paul and not religon jesus(pbuh)
If you really want to be a follower of jesus(pbuh) then learn what the early christans teach, when jesus(pbuh) was alive.. do your research on the curch of palestina etc.. etc..
When Jesus cried out "My God, my God! Why have you forsaken me!", it was in fulfillment of the prophecy found in Ps 22:1. Jesus fulfilled prophecies. He only has a point when you remove that aspect.
@rpierre777 Its very simple. Read Mathew 15:24 one more time. Its clearly stating in the words of Jesus (Peace be Upon Him) that the Jews are not supposed to go to the gentiles as the message is EXCLUSIVELY for the Jews. The name of Jews in Semitic Language is Yehud which means guided ones. You are a gentile. In other words, the message of Jesus is not for the gentiles at all. That according to the language of Gospel is RACIST.
@uribez WOW!!! Matt 15:24...really???? Then, you obviously don't know (or understand) what happened in that account. Jesus was testing her faith. Read vs 28. If it is as you say, why, then, did Jesus grant her request? Also, that would make God, the prophets, and Jesus' disciples liars. (Hos 2:23; Rm 9:25-26)
@rpierre777 It is the Gospel which is referring to Jesus as "racist". But the "racist" Jesus solves the womans problem anyways. So either he is "racist" or a kind person. Refer to my previous comment; the word for Jew is Yehud, the guided ones. They are supposed to understand the message of Jesus before they preach it to the gentiles. When Yehuds themselves didnt understand the msg correctly, how are they supposed to preach others?
Jesus makes things clear by telling us that He is in the Father and the Father is in Him. We can't understand the truth about Jesus unless we believe in His teachings that are written in the Holy Bible. We can't receive the Holy Spirit of God if we don't believe the gospel of Christ. Without the Spirit of God living within us we are blind to the truth. It's not acceptable to reject the gospel of Christ where it doesn't fit in with the teachings of Islam. That just creates nothing but confusion.
Thus we see that the Father loves man and wants his salvation, and the Son willingly paid the price to attain that salvation. The Holy Spirit awakens man's conscience and convicts him of his sins (John 16:7-8), so that he will receive Christ as Savior. Thus God saves man through His love, but not at the expense of His holiness and justice. There is no salvation except that which is offered by God—Father, Son and Holy Spirit—the only true and living God.
The whole world is antichrist. Jesus Died,,,not someome else in His place. It's just a matter of History. You will find out in time because nothing can stop the truth forever.
@Rob187ok dear rob its is true Christians duty if anybody does not know the truth we have to explain them why they think like that a true Christians does not depend on the time help them and explain why we call Jesus the son of god i love my god Jehovah and his son Jesus Christ and if you will not explain them when the time will come and if they die there blood will come on you.
@jeson786 ,, Thank you for the message. I found that out and you clarify. We need to tell the truth about Jesus more than anything else. I've let people down and I've let God down by failing to tell people about Jesus before they die. I could give up because I failed but I have to keep seeking God and learning how to speak the truth in the way that God wants me to. Satan wants us to feel useless but he lies all the time. I repent and I pray for Gods forgiveness and the strength to help others.
My friend, when you ask these questions as does Mr. Deedat in his argumentation, it demonstrates that you are not familiar with a very basic and core teaching of the Christian faith which has been taught, believed, and represented in scripture since the foundation of the faith.
Please read the following verse:
5Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus: 6Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped, (Cont.)
7but made himself nothing, taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness. 8And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient to death—even death on a cross!
So we see that Jesus is "In very nature God" but also took on the nature of a servant and was found in human likeness.
He is both FULLY in Very Nature God and in very nature human.
And thus, as a FULLY human Jew, he ate, slept, drink, and yes even PRAYED.
He did ALL the things a fully human being would do.
What is also plainly evident is that Jesus accepted worship on no less than 14 occasions in the Gospel of Matthew alone. He accepted being addressed as "My Lord and My God." (John 20:28)
And he took on human form so that in his own words, His blood could be spilled for the forgiveness of sins (Matthew 26:28).
im asking u my friend do GOD needs to die just to forgive our sins?so whats the use of REPENTING if god just put him self in the crus to forgive us?if god dies in three days and three nights im asking you who is running the world on those days?
@millerespinosa #1. Christianity does not teach that God died. It is impossible for God to die. The Messiah is both fully human AND fully God. He died in his humanity. Islam (Deedat included) does not understand this core belief of Christianity. #2. You cannot repent without sacrifice. God's law requires sacrifice for all true repentance. If God simply forgave sin without judgment he would be an unjust judge. The messiah, who is the ONLY human to have ever lived without sin (Cont.)
died as a payment for all sin. Thus, only by claiming the sacrifice of the Messiah or you truly repenting of sin when you ask for forgiveness since he is the perfect sacrifice.
Study Yom Kippur (The day of atonement)& study Jewish sacrificial law. God desires obedience and not sacrifice, but when there is sin, then the law demands sacrifice. Hebrews 9:22
jesus language is aramaic even if u ask ur priest or anybody.....b4 we will believe your bible ,show us the original scriptures of jesus first....but if u cannot then u lose bcoz in islam we have the original scripture of muhammad(saw)in arabic form which is a sister language of aramaic and was not change since1400 yrs ago until now.......or just try to notice how jesus dress himself or how mary dress herself its obviously muslim way of dressing....thats the truth!!!!!
are u sure to what your saying my friend that we cant repent without sacrifice?u make me laugh...eheehe...how about when adam and eve or the pople b4 christ that means they are not forgiven frm there sins bcoz jesus was not sacrifice in there time?ur view is completelyy not making sense...i would like to ask u....what happens when our sins are not fogiven?
@millerespinosa God's law has ALWAYS required sacrifice. Perhaps were you not so busy making assumptions about what Christians believe or so condescending, perhaps if you'd studied God's law, you wouldn't have so many misunderstandings.
The sacrificial system was instituted by Moses when he received the commandments from God. Since that time, sacrifice has been REQUIRED. PRIOR to Jesus, animals were sacrificed when sin was committed. With each sin a repeating of sacrifice was (cont.)
required because animals are an imperfect atonement for sin. This is plainly explained in Hebrews 10. Please read chapter 10:1-11. Pay close attention to verses 10-12.
10 For God’s will was for us to be made holy by the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ, once for all time.11 Under the old covenant, the priest stands and ministers before the altar day after day, offering the same sacrifices again and again, which can never take away sins. (cont.)
lets not go that far, even if u talk too much about the bible it will still go back to the question about where is the original injeel gospel that jesus recieve that is in aramaic form bcoz the bible is english, now how would we know if theres distortion that happen if u dnt show the original scripture....but im sure that u dont hav, that makes your faith vain..accept the truth my friend accept islam b4 its too late...if u are truthful as a believer....peace be wth u
@millerespinosa "the original injeel gospel that jesus recieve"
This is a common Muslim view of Jesus. You view Jesus as a prophet and thus you want to know where his "Injeel" is. Jesus, however, is GOD IN THE FLESH and GOD calls MEN to write his teaching.
Jesus' "Injeel" is told through the very disciples that he called just as God called Moses to teach his injeel and Isaiah and every other prophet. We have 24,000+ copies of those original manuscripts to know we have his accurate (cont.)
@millerespinosa Jesus didn't die but he left his fleshly body and surrender his spirit to his father read Matthew 27: 46-50 even Mr Ahmed Deedat clearly said [that if the Muslim had a Jesus they we will be like angels, Muslim also believe that Jesus born in this world through the virgin women name marry they respect her in kuran and said also most holy women in this world so why they don't believe in Jesus
@jeson786 ilan ba diyos nyu tlaga?ang anak dyos ang ama diyos pero ang sabi nyu isa lang...ang gulo nyu kausap.....ewan ko kung pano nyu yan ginagawa...
@jeson786 u say that jesus is god & the father is god & yet they r not 2 gods but 1....i dont really understand what kind of english do u speak.hehehe...just imagine a god passing through d slimey pussy of a woman,hahaha..that is completely degrading to a god ur talking about,jesus was just merely a great phropet of god & that should how u view jesus,,no more,no less.remmber that god is the most high & remember that god doesnt need us,it is we who need god,remember what he did to people of noah
@millerespinosa its is written in the bible that how ever believe in Jesus Christ will get everlasting life Jesus came in this world to sanctify his father name Jehovah and preaching about his kingdom Jesus was an angel his name in heaven is Michel after doing his father will he went back to heaven and stand beside his father right had and read revelation 12:7 to 12 this happen in year 1914 1 world war more then 15 million people died from that day till today there is no peace on earth
@hopefulhopes You retard jesus was born in a human form, and is not a god but SON of god sent to forgive our sins, well... doesn't matter your going to hell anyways
what ever you Mr. Ahmed said that is true he feel hungry, sleepy and etc because the son of god came in this world through a women he was a fleshly man he is the son of god i don't know if Mohammad had resurrected any man Jesus is son of god and ask his father or Allah to resurrected Lazarus from the grave i know what ever the catholic is teaching is wrong but god bless us and all the people to understand that Jesus is the son of god and he was a man he suffered pain also when they killed him
@hopefulhopes i don't believe in idol worship and a human worship when Jesus was in this earth he do his father will Satan offer Jesus all the thing of the world read Matthew 4 :9 why because earth is still under his hand soon Jesus will judge all the people who did not believe on him Jesus always gave the message of peace he never teach the people about revenge, hate, or kill anybody etc if you have doubt please read Matthew ch 5 ch 6 ch 7 then u will know why we love Jesus
@hopefulhopes we all are brothers and came from one seed Adam and eve and kuran also says that i am just explaining you what is in the bible and why we believe in Jesus. In the Mosaic law it is written EYE FOR EYE i don't know if kuran teach the same things but if yes that's is not a way to treat your brothers god will be very happy with us two biggest religion if share our teaching with each other because he want us to live happy forever.
It is possible to grow up and sincerely believe your right and still be wrong. A person can be comletely convinced he or she is right yet still not understand truth.
Jesus said Seek and ye shall find. Not Follow traditions. He Got angry at the pharasees for following tradition over Truth that was STANDING right in front of them. There Messiah had come and they saught to Kill the oine who came to save them. For Christ siad "Behold the Kingdom of Heaven is suddenly upon you."
17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: 18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.
8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
Matthew 7: 21"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
33:40. Muhammad is not the father of [any] one of your men, but [he is] the Messenger of God and last of the prophets. And ever is God, of all things, Knowing.
pharsees sacrificed BUT the people SAVED in MATHEW 21 DID NOT. there is no proof .
god explained the limitations of sacrifice in HOSAE. No way is Jesus giving his laws keeping the ALREADY CONDEMED SACRIFICAL LAWS in mind. jesus message is TOTALLY INDEPENDANT OF IT.
25On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. "Teacher," he asked, "what must I do to inherit eternal life?" 26"What is written in the Law?" he replied. "How do you read it?" 27He answered: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind'[c]; and, 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'[d]" 28"You have answered correctly," Jesus replied. "Do this and you will live."
Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are entering the kingdom of God ahead of you. 32For John came to you to show you the way of righteousness, and you did not believe him, but the tax collectors and the prostitutes did. And even after you saw this, you did not repent and believe him.
Did they become perfect ?
Did anyone pay for their sins ?
NO AND NO THEY DID NOT SACRIFICE ANUTHING. PHARSEES DID but there sacrifice has been rejected
25On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. "Teacher," he asked, "what must I do to inherit eternal life?" 26"What is written in the Law?" he replied. "How do you read it?" 27He answered: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind'[c]; and, 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'[d]" 28"You have answered correctly," Jesus replied. "Do this and you will live."
joe you are trying to justfy uour claims.... by qoting practise of PROPHET KILLERS. Jesus calls jews as PROPHET KILLERS.... and he also refers to them as people who will lead you to hell (pharsees basically).
THATS IS YOUR SUPPORT?
Not good enough. Jesus gave his laws despite them and rejecting them.
Once again, you reference something that only proves my case.
Jesus said fulfill the law and you will be saved. The simple fact of the matter is, as I have said over and over and over again, is that NO MAN CAN FULFILL THE LAW.
There is only ONE MAN in all of history who has fulfilled the law. That man is Jesus Christ.
You are ignoring the greater whole of what Jesus taught. Did Jesus teach simply worshiping God and being charitable to your neighbor is what is required in salvation?
Jesus taught that ALL the law must be fulfilled for salvation. When asked the same question in Mark chapter 10 Jesus responded, "19You know the commandments: 'Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not give false testimony, do not defraud, honor your father and mother.'
Jesus said we must fulfill ALL the law. He did not create this new concept of simply "Worship God and be charitable" as you say. In fact, Jesus states specifically, "Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill." -Mark 5:17
And what does the LAW say regarding sin and sacrifice? Well, I have made that repeatedly known to you as I have with the prophets.
You keep telling me that YOU have explained the sacrificial law to me. I did find that a bit humorous. No offense meant my friend.
You have not explained it to me one bit. The simple fact of the matter is even with something as simple as Yom Kippur, you really don't understand the sacrificial law system that was fully practiced right up until the day the temple was destroyed in 70AD.
That undoes all your argumentation about what you think Jesus meant.
the bible says that on that day when jesus comes back and the christians will say my lord,my lord we use your name in healing sick people or casting bad spirits out frm humans body.....but jesus will answer that i dnt remember u or i dont know you....hahaaha cnt christians understand this that jesus is not a god?becoz associating somebody to allah is the biggest sin a person can make...and this sin is unforgivable....thats why we should stick to 1=1 not 3=1......its very compr]ehensive right?
Jesus did not say "do good deeds" anywhere in what I quoted you. He said, "You know the commandments." and then he listed SOME.
The COMMANDMENTS is THE LAW.
YOU KNOW THE COMMANDMENTS. Throughout the gospels he is telling YOU that he would die (Mark 8:31, 9:31, 10:32-34). throughout the Gospels he even tells you HOW he would be killed. (Matthew 20:19, 26:2, etc.)
And he tells you WHY he would be crucified. (Matthew 26:28)
Yet, you make excuses for all of this. You (Cont.)
ignore historical fact (Sacrifices continued up until 70AD). You ignore the LAW which requires sacrifice for sin and you ignore what Jesus said in regards to the law and himself being the fulfillment of the law.
Here's the fun thing: If you accept Jesus as your sin offering as he stated ( Matt 26:28), then you will BECOME right.
Now, I no longer need to sacrifice. I have offered ONE sacrifice for all time and I am saved and then so you would be too.
25On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. "Teacher," he asked, "what must I do to inherit eternal life?" 26"What is written in the Law?" he replied. "How do you read it?" 27He answered: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind'[c]; and, 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'[d]" 28"You have answered correctly," Jesus replied. "Do this and you will live"
Hello again. I hope all is well with you and yours. What I keep seeing is that you will grab certain stories and attempt to divorce them from the greater whole.
The method of salvation has NEVER changed. Ever since the law was instituted. Follow the commandments. The point is, that NO ONE can complete the law perfectly. NONE.
While God DESIRES obedience, he REQUIRES sacrifice for sin.
Malachi 3:6 states, "For I am the LORD, I do not change;" And thus, he DOES NOT EVER (cont.)
get rid of his law. He does not EVER suddenly decide... oh well... I USE to require sacrifice for sin as is plainly stated in my law but now I am changing all that. Simply ask for forgiveness and you're ok.
Many here, including you, argue for example that Ezekiel 18 does away with sacrifice. This passage of scripture when divorced from the whole would SEEM to imply that repentance alone is all that is needed for salvation. However, when you continue reading Ezekiel, you see NUMEROUS(cont.)
examples where Ezekiel discusses the need for sacrifice for sin.
And thus it is to not understand that sacrifice for sin is a requirement of God's law is to completely not understand Judaism or Christianity at all but is merely an attempt to force concepts into them that simply are not there.
For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings.
to claim the assumption that jews were sacrificing when jesus said all that i quote.... means nothing.
God clearly has replaced sacrifice and given the reason. Unfortunately you did not understand the sacrifical laws then and that is why you still hold on to them.
Hosea does not EVER say that the law of God has been done away with. Because God states that he DESIRES obedience does not EVER mean that He has done away with his law.
If you had children, you would understand such a statement. I DESIRE that my children obey. MOST of the time they do. When they don't there are consequences.
You use to refer to Ezekiel 18 as your "proof" text that sacrifice was done away with. I see since I have demonstrated that Ezekiel repeatedly refers to (cont.)
You now move on to Hosea. My friend, you continue to attempt to take concepts and shove them into an entire concept where they do not belong at all.
God does not change. God's law requires sacrifice. The Jews sacrificed right up until the day of Jesus. Can you explain why the Jews were still offering sacrifice in the day of Jesus?
The simple fact of the matter is that a book (Hosea) written on how UNDESIRABLE sacrifices are that are (cont.)
offered from an unrepentant people has nothing to do with canceling out God's law.
And that is why, while celebrating the passover meal, Jesus stated to his disciples, "Take and eat; this is my body." 27Then he took the cup, gave thanks and offered it to them, saying, "Drink from it, all of you. 28This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins."
For the Israelites will live many days without king or prince, without sacrifice or sacred stones....
AND FURTHER....
hosea 9 - 4 They will not pour out wine offerings to the LORD, nor will their sacrifices please him. Such sacrifices will be to them like the bread of mourners; all who eat them will be unclean.
God does not like at all NOR accept the jewish sacrifice
"I tell you the truth, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are entering the kingdom of God ahead of you. 32For John came to you to show you the way of righteousness, and you did not believe him, but the tax collectors and the prostitutes did.
It has no relation to your claims... that jews sacrificed animals and under such circumstances the abobve applies!
jewish sacrifice was NOT accepted by god for a long time before Jesus came.
you stated, "that is not right with regard to desires and requires....!"
please show support for your argument. The simple fact of the matter is this:
God DESIRES that none would sin. THAT is what scripture states. Just as scripture states, "The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance."
Would you suggest that because God desires ALL to come to repentance that all do? That is
You state, "You have trouble under standing the sacrifical lawas from the simple reason you have no idea what they are really for."
Please do not tell me what I do or don't understand without support for your argument. I understand COMPLETELY what the law was for and for that matter you don't even HAVE to accept my "opinion." The scripture tells you plainly:
"15 "He shall then slaughter the goat for the sin offering for the people... because of the uncleanness (cont.)
and rebellion of the Israelites, whatever their sins have been. "
The verse tells you EXACTLY what the sacrifice is for. It is plain and clear.
Fact #1. The law requires sacrifice for sin.
Fact #2. God is unchanging. His law is NEVER contradicted.
Fact #3. The Jews were offering sacrifice right up until the destruction of the temple in 70AD. IF Hosea canceled out sacrifices, the sacrificing would have ceased. It did not.
Fact #4. Jesus states PLAINLY and CLEARLY that his blood was (cont.)
Sorry for such a long absence. Yet again work keeps me swamped.
Here's the main point that you keep missing my friend. God DESIRES these things but we as humans FAIL. NO ONE is without sin.
God desires that we OBEY, that we SHOW MERCY, etc. There are many laws that he wishes we would adhere to perfectly. HOWEVER, when we don't his law is clear an unyielding.
This is PLAINLY evident in the fact that the Jews sacrificed right up until the temple was destroyed which was HUNDREDS of years
joe you are trying to justfy uour claims.... by qoting practise of PROPHET KILLERS. Jesus calls jews as PROPHET KILLERS.... and he also refers to them as people who will lead you to hell (pharsees basically).
THATS IS YOUR SUPPORT?
Not good enough. Jesus gave his laws despite them and rejecting them.
People are only sheep who have come to a genuine saving faith in Christ. No one is a sheep without Jesus' atonement offering for them.
As is plainly stated in scripture, "He sets aside the first to establish the second. 10And by that will, we have been made holy through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all."
Right up until the time of Jesus' sacrifice for sin was STILL being offered. It is a historical fact as is plainly clear in scripture, (cont.)
"11Day after day every priest stands and performs his religious duties; again and again he offers the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. 12But when this priest had offered for all time one sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God.
But now that Jesus is the perfect sacrifice, there is no longer need to sacrifice for sin any more.
While I could certainly argue it's relevance as the word of God, it doesn't even matter one bit. What is ABSOLUTELY CLEAR is that the JEW who wrote that book clearly understood the sacrificial system that was STILL IN PRACTICE at the time the book was written which was WAY WAY WAY after Hosea.
You'd like to make this about the authorship of Hebrews because it is necessary for you to get off the argument you have been trying to make because it is entirely undone at this point.
The simple fact of the matter is sacrifice was taking place right until 70AD by ALL JEWS when the temple was destroyed.
When you quote Jesus, it has NOTHING TO DO with undoing the law. Salvation has been the same ever since God introduced his law. Follow it perfectly and receive salvation. (cont.)
Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are entering the kingdom of God ahead of you. 32For John came to you to show you the way of righteousness, and you did not believe him, but the tax collectors and the prostitutes did. And even after you saw this, you did not repent and believe him.
who did sacrifice..... pharsees BUT THEY ARE NOT SAVED.
PROSTITUES DID NOT SACRIFICE NOR DID THEY BECOME PERFECT. THEY ARE SAVED.
If you love God with all your heart, mind, and soul, you will not break the first 4 commandments. If you love your neighbor more than yourself (Not give charity as you said) then you will not break the next 6 commandments.
Salvation has NOT CHANGED since God introduced the law. Follow his commands perfectly and you will be saved. Break one of his commandments and YOU MUST GIVE SACRIFICE.
That is THE LAW. God does not want us to sin, be unmerciful, or break ANY of his commands. (cont.)
THAT is what he DESIRES. Yet, if we DO sin against God by breaking his law, WE MUST SACRIFICE FOR SIN. THAT IS WHAT THE LAW SAYS.
And you are simply incorrect about who sacrificed. ALL Jews sacrificed and offered sacrifice according to the law. Additionally, the high priest offered a sacrifice EVERY YEAR on YOM KIPPUR (Day of ATONEMENT) for the NATION.
Sacrificeing animal is MERELY a good deed. you kill an animal and give it to poor. its a good deed in simple words. U R BALANING YOUR ACCOUNT AFTER SINNING. thats all.
GOD REPLACES ONE GOOD DEED WITH ANOHTER.
REPLACES SACRIFICE WITH MERCY. READ HOSEA...
u as usual follow paul and prophet kiler jews.... I follow the prophets....
jorsak, thank you for the email,.. I was just trying to give you what our scientist interpreted. That was just an answer to a tiny problem, to prove there's nothing really worng with the book.
After all You should not deny a book of 600 pages for a couple of notes on few verses. You need to put up a lot more "conceptual" arguments to doubt and re-evaluate such a great book.
I do appreciate your eagerness to defend your faith and your kindness with which you have endeavored to do so.
As I had said in my response to you, I don't make it a habit to study other faith's books at any great length. There are simply to many.
What I know is this: The Quran teaches that Jesus did not die on the cross and that is a massive failing which means hell for the person who subscribes to that view. That is my honest and studied opinion.
opinion with blind acceptance of my parents faith. My faith is just that; my own. It is the result of hundreds of hours of study.
I believe in the principle given to bank tellers when they train to first start their jobs. They NEVER work with the counterfeit; only the original. Thus, when the counterfeit comes their way, it is easily detected.
I do not say any of that to be rude or unkind as I certainly do not mean it that way at all. I am simply telling you how I feel.
Although this faith is not clearly stated in the Bible (argumentative by ppl like Deedat), a third person finds himself between your theory and ours (the complete concept by Quran). This third person has to choose based on logic first, regardless of what is written in either of the books. If you shall find this exercise interesting, let us continue our discussions: Tell me what the third person (without faith) might start thinking ? and how would he judge both theories independently ?
Read the New Testament of the Bible of the words said by Yeshua (JESUS):
Matthew 5:17 "Do not think that I came to replace the Torah and the teachings of the prophets; I did not come to destroy them, but rather to fulfill them."
Matthew 15:24 "I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel."
Luke 18:19 "Why do you call me good? There are none good but God."
John 6:38 "For I came down from heaven, not to do my own will, but the will of him that sent me".
John 11:25-26 "I am the resurrection and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die."
Isaiah 7:14 and Isaiah 9:6 speaks about the birth of the Messiah. Immanuel from Isaiah 7:14 means "God with us", God came to earth from heaven and incarnated and manifested in the flesh in the person of Yeshua the Messiah. Yeshua HaMashiach is Immanuel meaning Yeshua HaMashiach is The Incarnation of Yahweh.
Yeshua HaMashiach was not the first appearance of God in the flesh. It is ridiculous, hypocrisy and insane if you say and think that you can do anything that God can't do. God can do anything according to his will, he can interact with his creation and above all of that God appeared and manifested himself in the flesh many times in the Tanakh (see Genesis 3:8, Genesis 18:1-14, Genesis 32:24-30, Exodus 24:9-11, Joshua 5:13-15, Judges 13:22, Proverbs 30:4).
I know the passage very well. It is also paralleled in Luke 18. However, in NEITHER of these references does Jesus EVER say that he is NOT GOOD.
Jesus only states that only God is Good and never denies that he is not good. It is simply the Muslim that desires to INSERT something into what Jesus has said that is not there.
The Jews understood when Jesus said I and the Father are One that it meant Jesus was saying He is God but when you give this proof to Muslims they refute it,why
Because the Koran forbids Muslims to contradict Muh otherwise other Muslims will slaughter them
and that prevents Muslims from seeing and accepting the proof that they pretended they wanted
LUKE 10-27He answered:Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind; and, 'Love your neighbor as yourself.
28"You have answered correctly," Jesus replied. Do this and you will live.
YOU WILL LIVE WORSHIPPING ONE GOD AND LOVING YOUR NEIGBOURS.WHO SAID THAT?
A PERSON CALLED JESUS.
A PERSON ALSO CALLED GOD BY PAULIAN PAGANS.
But then again as per some christians. Jesus did not know anything. Paul knew more. Ok, got it. lol
But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshipers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. (John 4)
Note:
Jesus never asks anyone to worship him, only "the Father (his God)" seeketh such worship.
Which John 20 call as "17 ..my Father and your Father,.. my God and your God."
So worship the God he worshiped (Matthew 26:39), he did by 'falling on his face' like us Muslims.
Love him, revere him and believe in him BUT don't worship him.
25On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. "Teacher," he asked, "what must I do to inherit eternal life?" 26"What is written in the Law?" he replied. "How do you read it?" 27He answered: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind'[c]; and, 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'[d]" 28"You have answered correctly," Jesus replied. "Do this and you will live."
Isaiah 53:5 But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon him, and by his wounds we are healed.
Eh... what do the prophets know?
Matthew 26:28 This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins. - Jesus
Ehh... but what does Jesus know.
Clearly Letmesee74 knows more than God.
Care to make anymore idiotic comments oh ye of tremendous vulgarity and profanity?
lol... INIQUITIES MEANS LACK OF JUSTICE. I guess you need to refer to dictionary to learn a little english. Forget Jesus... but even John were crushed on account of OUR INIQUITES. How did we get peace ...? by following their message. by their wounds... by their efforts we got to know the truth. that is what the message of Isaiah 53 is. oopsss now did i get any explanation for LUKE 10...? NO. I explained your quotes and again debunked your claims.
And your idiotic LUke 10 comment. I know I will face judgement for casting what is holy before swine but I'm sick of seeing it. Of course... having it answered just as with John 17 will mean absolutely nothing. You will continue to open your profane vulgarous mouth and spew forth lies.
OF COURSE JESUS SAID TO FOLLOW THE LAW! Scripture has always taught that, "Sacrifices and offerings or whole burnt-offerings and sin-offerings Thou hast not desired or taken pleasure in" (Hebrews 10:8)
Scripture makes clear, "Has the LORD as much delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices As in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, And to heed than the fat of rams." 1 Samuel 15:22
TO OBEY IS BETTER but NO MAN CAN FULFILL THE LAW!
THAT is why Jesus said he must become the SIN SACRIFICE! That is why his OWN MOUTH STATED IT and WHY YOU HAVE NO REBUTAL TO THE LORD JESUS CHRIST WHOM YOU WILL KNEEL BEFORE!
How do we know about God? All the prophets adamantly taught us so.
How do we know about Judgment Day? All the prophets warned about it.
How do we know about heaven/hell? All the prophets taught it.
How do we know that Jesus is God? Well, no prophet ever said it, not even Jesus, who was believed to be a prophet by his followers and muslims. Apparently some men translated, interpreted, and ignored any contrast- and there u have it. now who do u follow? The prophets or the 'learned men'?
Could you please show me ONE prophet in ALL of history who ever claimed the following applied to himself:
"14 He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all peoples, nations and men of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away"
Just one. Show me ANY PROPHET of God who made such a claim and I will denouce Christ today.
Let me save you some time. ONLY Jesus made such claims.
All prophets were given authority to judge amongst their people. But it remains apparent that you have no regard for the truth. You invent matters and interpret according to convenience- even when there is clear evidence that refutes all your allegations. The finality is that your convictions represent your own fabrications, and not the teachings of Jesus.
My final advice is: Read the Qur'an, and stop interpreting of ur own inclinations.
"14 He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all peoples, nations and men of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away"
This is not MY interpretation but what Jesus applied TO HIMSELF.
From the dictionary (Sovereign) - having supreme rank, power, or authority, supreme; preeminent; indisputable: a sovereign right. Greatest in degree; utmost or extreme.
Goodness my friend are you missing the point. WOW!
Daniel is in the OLD TESTAMENT. So, OF COURSE, it will not show the text in red. It is the REFERENCE to which JESUS HIMSELF uses to HIMSELF as the source for "Son of Man." Son of Man is the TITLE which Jesus most commonly applies to himself and he gets it from Daniel 7:13-14 which is a clear reference to deity.
sorry to burst ur bubble but Jesus didnt claim that, read the verse and read it again and i swear u still wont see why Jesus did not claim that Verse and it was alluded to him because ur eyes will not let you
this guy is so disorganized. poor old man will not except it. ive read the quran and guys and females it is not what they make it to be. why isnt there ever a female debate over this topic.
hoseb87 6 months ago
YOu will attack me ....? It looks like we are really in times of violence...London, then Manchester, then....me...? God, I really do not want to believe in ALlah......keep Allah to yourself....Thank you very much...Love invades your heart as I see...
444719abcx 6 months ago
Jesus is much better respected than Mohammed. Mohammed has killed people while Jesus has never killed anyone... Jesus has love while Mohammed hatred toward those who do not believe in the Koran.
jdemeulenaer123 7 months ago
@jdemeulenaer123 That is not true, Mohammed (alihsalam) cars less of those who should or shouldn't belive in the quran to reach a point to kill them,he was delivering a message! he was shouting it loud and clear like Jesus!! However, lets not be hypocrits jdemeulenaer, if you atacked me, I will atack you back! And I don't need religion or law to justify my act of defence!! It was war time,, Otherwise, how do you justify slavery?Crusaders?world war 1/2?Iraq/Vitnam/Afgan O U who belive in Jesus?
shadowkill2007 6 months ago
Jesus is much better respected than Mohammed. Mohammed has killed people while Jesus has never killed anyone...
jdemeulenaer123 7 months ago
christians are the most illogical persons of the history of humanity, you believe in the trinity, and you say the father is god, the son is god and the holy spirit is god but the three make only 1 god. plz answer this question and be rational and truthfull, to who was jesus praying, to the father ? so there's more than one god, to himself ? the most illogical answer of all time, a god praying himself, and saying that he never prayed is the biggest lie ever, everybody knows he did
1bacsceco 11 months ago
@1bacsceco Jesus, the human, prayed to God his Father. As I have written to you in other locations. What confuses you is that the Messiah was foretold to be FULLY HUMAN and FULLY GOD. The question you ask indicates that you have yet to accept that fact.
Isaiah 9:6 clearly tells us that a child would be BORN (Human) and he would be called Mighty God and Everlasting Father (God). Philippians 2:5-7 tells us that Jesus existed in the very form of God and yet took on the form of Humanity.(Cont.)
jorsak 11 months ago
You claim illogic and yet I've already given example that is perfectly logical. Husband and wife form ONE marriage. Each is FULLY married. If either husband or wife were not present in the marriage, there would be no marriage. Yet, while each is fully married, there are not TWO marriages. There is ONE marriage in two persons.
The Father is FULLY God, the Son and Holy Spirit as well. Yet, there are not three Gods but one in three persons.
Salaam,
Joe
jorsak 11 months ago
@jorsak ok i won't argue with you, but would you explain why he was praying and worshipping God, "his father", if he was a god ==> omnipotent and omniscient, if he had a god's power, why did he pray to get something instead of doing it himself, why did he ask God for something while he could do it himself without any help from anyone ?!!!
1bacsceco 11 months ago
@1bacsceco He was a Jew. A Jew that followed all the law. He kept the sabbath, he worshiped, he observed the feasts, etc. He was a righteous Jew. He had to follow the law in order to be without sin and that included worship and prayer.
He had ALL the behaviors a fully righteous human Jew would exhibit my friend. He was FULLY human as he was FULLY God.
Salaam,
Joe
jorsak 11 months ago
@jorsak yeh Right!! A jew who killed by Jews because they found out he was not Jew right? Fully God U liyer? Did U C him actting as god dud? weren't U programed since U intire little life, I mean U could B 100 years old.. but 1900 yeas after the man was live,so? who programed U to say that? Don't lie, in fact who gives a fuck or cares if U do.. lie or not.. U guys lied the lie untill U trully belived it :D the vido up there is not made to tell U be Muslim, but to say, U guys R messed up :D
shadowkill2007 6 months ago
@shadowkill2007 You state, " A jew who killed by Jews because they found out he was not Jew right?"
I'm unclear as to what your trying to say. Jesus was a Jew. He was killed by the religious leaders because the ultimately fear losing their positions of power as Jesus continued to draw the masses to him. They ultimately fulfilled the plan which was that the Messiah came to die for the sins of mankind.
You then ask, "Fully God U liyer? Did U C him actting as god dud? "
Yes. (Cont.)
jorsak 6 months ago
I saw him BEING God on so many occasions that I am unable to count.
giving life to whomever he pleased? Check.
Controlling the weather? Check
Controlling nature (IE. Walking on water, killing plants at the wave of a hand, etc.)? Check
Judging sin? Check
Accepting worship when no MAN is EVER to receive worship? Check
Being called God to his face without correction? Check
I could give you 20 examples on the fly of Jesus BEING God but that would never matter to you as you have already (Cont.)
jorsak 6 months ago
drawn you own beliefs before examining the evidence. And you talk of programming? Really? You have no idea how I came to the beliefs that I have.
But then you reveal all with the use of profanity which has NO PLACE in a discussion of God.
Out of the abundance of your heart the mouth speaks. THAT is what God has said.
I'm done.
Blessings in Christ Jesus,
Joe
jorsak 6 months ago
@jorsak usless checks ....checkmate by deedat
ahmer1 4 months ago
@ahmer1 Understand you feel that way, however, there are no arguments of Deedat's that remain standing. Choose any single argument of his and I will demonstrate.
unnecessarytosay 4 months ago
@unnecessarytosay oh yeah give prove then
ahmer1 4 months ago
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@ahmer1 As I stated, Choose any single argument of his and I will demonstrate.
What I have learned is that it never will matter how much proof I give. I can show you in scripture exactly where Jesus is called God. You do not wish to see it and thus you will not receive it. When you are ready to receive the truth the teacher will appear.
unnecessarytosay 4 months ago
@ahmer1 "Choose any single argument of his and I will demonstrate." That was the challenge. The burden of proof was placed on you.
jorsak 3 weeks ago
Christians belief in the religon Paul and not religon jesus(pbuh)
If you really want to be a follower of jesus(pbuh) then learn what the early christans teach, when jesus(pbuh) was alive.. do your research on the curch of palestina etc.. etc..
Lizzio1980 1 year ago
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When Jesus cried out "My God, my God! Why have you forsaken me!", it was in fulfillment of the prophecy found in Ps 22:1. Jesus fulfilled prophecies. He only has a point when you remove that aspect.
rpierre777 1 year ago
How in the world did he conclude Jesus was a racist from those verses?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
rpierre777 1 year ago
@rpierre777 Its very simple. Read Mathew 15:24 one more time. Its clearly stating in the words of Jesus (Peace be Upon Him) that the Jews are not supposed to go to the gentiles as the message is EXCLUSIVELY for the Jews. The name of Jews in Semitic Language is Yehud which means guided ones. You are a gentile. In other words, the message of Jesus is not for the gentiles at all. That according to the language of Gospel is RACIST.
uribez 1 year ago
@uribez WOW!!! Matt 15:24...really???? Then, you obviously don't know (or understand) what happened in that account. Jesus was testing her faith. Read vs 28. If it is as you say, why, then, did Jesus grant her request? Also, that would make God, the prophets, and Jesus' disciples liars. (Hos 2:23; Rm 9:25-26)
rpierre777 1 year ago
@rpierre777 It is the Gospel which is referring to Jesus as "racist". But the "racist" Jesus solves the womans problem anyways. So either he is "racist" or a kind person. Refer to my previous comment; the word for Jew is Yehud, the guided ones. They are supposed to understand the message of Jesus before they preach it to the gentiles. When Yehuds themselves didnt understand the msg correctly, how are they supposed to preach others?
uribez 1 year ago
@uribez They rejected God and Jesus, so they are no longer His people. And, those who were called "not His people" are called His. (Hos 2:23)
rpierre777 1 year ago
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John 10:30 "I and the Father are one."
77avt 1 year ago
Jesus makes things clear by telling us that He is in the Father and the Father is in Him. We can't understand the truth about Jesus unless we believe in His teachings that are written in the Holy Bible. We can't receive the Holy Spirit of God if we don't believe the gospel of Christ. Without the Spirit of God living within us we are blind to the truth. It's not acceptable to reject the gospel of Christ where it doesn't fit in with the teachings of Islam. That just creates nothing but confusion.
Rob187ok 1 year ago
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Thus we see that the Father loves man and wants his salvation, and the Son willingly paid the price to attain that salvation. The Holy Spirit awakens man's conscience and convicts him of his sins (John 16:7-8), so that he will receive Christ as Savior. Thus God saves man through His love, but not at the expense of His holiness and justice. There is no salvation except that which is offered by God—Father, Son and Holy Spirit—the only true and living God.
austriaheute 1 year ago
The whole world is antichrist. Jesus Died,,,not someome else in His place. It's just a matter of History. You will find out in time because nothing can stop the truth forever.
Rob187ok 1 year ago 2
@Rob187ok dear rob its is true Christians duty if anybody does not know the truth we have to explain them why they think like that a true Christians does not depend on the time help them and explain why we call Jesus the son of god i love my god Jehovah and his son Jesus Christ and if you will not explain them when the time will come and if they die there blood will come on you.
jeson786 1 year ago
@jeson786 ,, Thank you for the message. I found that out and you clarify. We need to tell the truth about Jesus more than anything else. I've let people down and I've let God down by failing to tell people about Jesus before they die. I could give up because I failed but I have to keep seeking God and learning how to speak the truth in the way that God wants me to. Satan wants us to feel useless but he lies all the time. I repent and I pray for Gods forgiveness and the strength to help others.
Rob187ok 1 year ago
A crucified God ?? A hungry God ?? A sleepy God ?? :P la illaha illa Allah
I believe that there is no God but Allah, and Muhammad ( Peace be upon Him ) is the messenger of Allah ....
عليها أحيا وعليها أموت وعليها أبعث بإذن الله
hopefulhopes 2 years ago
My friend, when you ask these questions as does Mr. Deedat in his argumentation, it demonstrates that you are not familiar with a very basic and core teaching of the Christian faith which has been taught, believed, and represented in scripture since the foundation of the faith.
Please read the following verse:
5Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus: 6Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped, (Cont.)
jorsak 2 years ago
7but made himself nothing, taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness. 8And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient to death—even death on a cross!
So we see that Jesus is "In very nature God" but also took on the nature of a servant and was found in human likeness.
He is both FULLY in Very Nature God and in very nature human.
And thus, as a FULLY human Jew, he ate, slept, drink, and yes even PRAYED.
(Cont.)
jorsak 2 years ago
He did ALL the things a fully human being would do.
What is also plainly evident is that Jesus accepted worship on no less than 14 occasions in the Gospel of Matthew alone. He accepted being addressed as "My Lord and My God." (John 20:28)
And he took on human form so that in his own words, His blood could be spilled for the forgiveness of sins (Matthew 26:28).
Thus, your concern is address.
Salaam,
Joe
jorsak 2 years ago
im asking u my friend do GOD needs to die just to forgive our sins?so whats the use of REPENTING if god just put him self in the crus to forgive us?if god dies in three days and three nights im asking you who is running the world on those days?
millerespinosa 1 year ago
@millerespinosa #1. Christianity does not teach that God died. It is impossible for God to die. The Messiah is both fully human AND fully God. He died in his humanity. Islam (Deedat included) does not understand this core belief of Christianity. #2. You cannot repent without sacrifice. God's law requires sacrifice for all true repentance. If God simply forgave sin without judgment he would be an unjust judge. The messiah, who is the ONLY human to have ever lived without sin (Cont.)
jorsak 1 year ago
died as a payment for all sin. Thus, only by claiming the sacrifice of the Messiah or you truly repenting of sin when you ask for forgiveness since he is the perfect sacrifice.
Study Yom Kippur (The day of atonement)& study Jewish sacrificial law. God desires obedience and not sacrifice, but when there is sin, then the law demands sacrifice. Hebrews 9:22
Salaam,
Joe
jorsak 1 year ago
jesus language is aramaic even if u ask ur priest or anybody.....b4 we will believe your bible ,show us the original scriptures of jesus first....but if u cannot then u lose bcoz in islam we have the original scripture of muhammad(saw)in arabic form which is a sister language of aramaic and was not change since1400 yrs ago until now.......or just try to notice how jesus dress himself or how mary dress herself its obviously muslim way of dressing....thats the truth!!!!!
millerespinosa 1 year ago
are u sure to what your saying my friend that we cant repent without sacrifice?u make me laugh...eheehe...how about when adam and eve or the pople b4 christ that means they are not forgiven frm there sins bcoz jesus was not sacrifice in there time?ur view is completelyy not making sense...i would like to ask u....what happens when our sins are not fogiven?
millerespinosa 1 year ago
@millerespinosa God's law has ALWAYS required sacrifice. Perhaps were you not so busy making assumptions about what Christians believe or so condescending, perhaps if you'd studied God's law, you wouldn't have so many misunderstandings.
The sacrificial system was instituted by Moses when he received the commandments from God. Since that time, sacrifice has been REQUIRED. PRIOR to Jesus, animals were sacrificed when sin was committed. With each sin a repeating of sacrifice was (cont.)
jorsak 1 year ago
required because animals are an imperfect atonement for sin. This is plainly explained in Hebrews 10. Please read chapter 10:1-11. Pay close attention to verses 10-12.
10 For God’s will was for us to be made holy by the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ, once for all time.11 Under the old covenant, the priest stands and ministers before the altar day after day, offering the same sacrifices again and again, which can never take away sins. (cont.)
jorsak 1 year ago
12 But our High Priest offered himself to God as a single sacrifice for sins, good for all time.
Plain, simple, and clear. Without sacrifice there is no forgiveness for sin.
Salaam,
Joe
jorsak 1 year ago
lets not go that far, even if u talk too much about the bible it will still go back to the question about where is the original injeel gospel that jesus recieve that is in aramaic form bcoz the bible is english, now how would we know if theres distortion that happen if u dnt show the original scripture....but im sure that u dont hav, that makes your faith vain..accept the truth my friend accept islam b4 its too late...if u are truthful as a believer....peace be wth u
millerespinosa 1 year ago
@millerespinosa "the original injeel gospel that jesus recieve"
This is a common Muslim view of Jesus. You view Jesus as a prophet and thus you want to know where his "Injeel" is. Jesus, however, is GOD IN THE FLESH and GOD calls MEN to write his teaching.
Jesus' "Injeel" is told through the very disciples that he called just as God called Moses to teach his injeel and Isaiah and every other prophet. We have 24,000+ copies of those original manuscripts to know we have his accurate (cont.)
jorsak 1 year ago
teachings. the simple fact of the matter is that Islam makes Jesus out to be a liar.
He said with his own mouth that he came to die (Mark 8:31, 9:31, 10:33-34)
He said with his own mouth HOW he would die (Matthew 20:19, 26:2)
and he said exactly WHY he must die (Matthew 26:28)
He did this in 100% agreement with the prophets (Isaiah 53:4-6,10,12)
You do not accept this, Islam does not accept this and thus make him out to be a liar.
Salaam,
Joe
jorsak 1 year ago
@jorsak his book got corrupted by his people. They changed what he taught them after he was gone. How hard is it for u to understand?
SuperMaryam16 1 year ago
@millerespinosa Jesus didn't die but he left his fleshly body and surrender his spirit to his father read Matthew 27: 46-50 even Mr Ahmed Deedat clearly said [that if the Muslim had a Jesus they we will be like angels, Muslim also believe that Jesus born in this world through the virgin women name marry they respect her in kuran and said also most holy women in this world so why they don't believe in Jesus
jeson786 1 year ago
@jeson786 ilan ba diyos nyu tlaga?ang anak dyos ang ama diyos pero ang sabi nyu isa lang...ang gulo nyu kausap.....ewan ko kung pano nyu yan ginagawa...
millerespinosa 1 year ago
@millerespinosa didnt understans what you want to explain in your language plese tell me in english so that i can understand and reply you
jeson786 1 year ago
@jeson786 u say that jesus is god & the father is god & yet they r not 2 gods but 1....i dont really understand what kind of english do u speak.hehehe...just imagine a god passing through d slimey pussy of a woman,hahaha..that is completely degrading to a god ur talking about,jesus was just merely a great phropet of god & that should how u view jesus,,no more,no less.remmber that god is the most high & remember that god doesnt need us,it is we who need god,remember what he did to people of noah
millerespinosa 1 year ago
@millerespinosa
If you're a muslim, you should show more respect than that for jesus PBUH.
also you should respect women.
DaTerroriZt 1 year ago
@millerespinosa its is written in the bible that how ever believe in Jesus Christ will get everlasting life Jesus came in this world to sanctify his father name Jehovah and preaching about his kingdom Jesus was an angel his name in heaven is Michel after doing his father will he went back to heaven and stand beside his father right had and read revelation 12:7 to 12 this happen in year 1914 1 world war more then 15 million people died from that day till today there is no peace on earth
jeson786 1 year ago
A misrepresentation of Christian beliefs?
Watch my video "Philippians2" for an accurate depiction of our faith and an answer to your question.
Salaam,
Joe
jorsak 2 years ago
@hopefulhopes You retard jesus was born in a human form, and is not a god but SON of god sent to forgive our sins, well... doesn't matter your going to hell anyways
JustWantMyClip2 2 years ago
what ever you Mr. Ahmed said that is true he feel hungry, sleepy and etc because the son of god came in this world through a women he was a fleshly man he is the son of god i don't know if Mohammad had resurrected any man Jesus is son of god and ask his father or Allah to resurrected Lazarus from the grave i know what ever the catholic is teaching is wrong but god bless us and all the people to understand that Jesus is the son of god and he was a man he suffered pain also when they killed him
jeson786 1 year ago
@hopefulhopes i don't believe in idol worship and a human worship when Jesus was in this earth he do his father will Satan offer Jesus all the thing of the world read Matthew 4 :9 why because earth is still under his hand soon Jesus will judge all the people who did not believe on him Jesus always gave the message of peace he never teach the people about revenge, hate, or kill anybody etc if you have doubt please read Matthew ch 5 ch 6 ch 7 then u will know why we love Jesus
jeson786 1 year ago
@hopefulhopes we all are brothers and came from one seed Adam and eve and kuran also says that i am just explaining you what is in the bible and why we believe in Jesus. In the Mosaic law it is written EYE FOR EYE i don't know if kuran teach the same things but if yes that's is not a way to treat your brothers god will be very happy with us two biggest religion if share our teaching with each other because he want us to live happy forever.
jeson786 1 year ago
It is possible to grow up and sincerely believe your right and still be wrong. A person can be comletely convinced he or she is right yet still not understand truth.
Jesus said Seek and ye shall find. Not Follow traditions. He Got angry at the pharasees for following tradition over Truth that was STANDING right in front of them. There Messiah had come and they saught to Kill the oine who came to save them. For Christ siad "Behold the Kingdom of Heaven is suddenly upon you."
NoneBeforeNoneAfter 2 years ago
And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. John 17:5
Before Abraham was, I am. John 8:58
And again, when [God] bringeth in the firstbegotten [Jesus] into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. Hebrews 1:6
NoneBeforeNoneAfter 2 years ago
Revelations. Chapter 1
17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: 18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.
8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
NoneBeforeNoneAfter 2 years ago
Watch my promo and see 100s of biblical proofs Jesus Is God and
Father Son and Spirit are One God.
Also see 300 Messianinc Prophesies Written in the Old Testament and fullfilled in the New.
NoneBeforeNoneAfter 2 years ago
just finda sentence which Jesus say 'Im god/worship me'
MrZenic 2 years ago 2
Just find a sentence which states he is not and while you are at it, find a verse which states specifically that Mohamed is the seal of the prophets.
Salaam,
Joe
jorsak 2 years ago
Matthew 7: 21"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
33:40. Muhammad is not the father of [any] one of your men, but [he is] the Messenger of God and last of the prophets. And ever is God, of all things, Knowing.
e1d1o 2 years ago
Regarding Matthew 7:21, please see the immediate example of who Jesus was speaking of in Matthew 26:14.
And since you are familiar or have access to the Bible, please consult the following teachings of Jesus that contradict Islam:
Jesus states repeatedly that he would die (Mark, 8:31, 9:31, 10:33-34, etc.)
HOW he would die by crucifixion (Matthew 20:19,26:2).
And exactly WHY he must die for the sins of many (Matthew 26:28).
Salaam,
Joe
jorsak 2 years ago
you ignore every verse this man here presents you.
better said,you ignore EVERYthing jesus quotes in the BIBLE.
Pua8 2 years ago 2
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Joe:
I DO UNDERSTAND IT... it is time you UNDERSTAND REALITY....
its very important that you do.
YOUR ENTIRE ASSUMPTIONS ARE BASED UPON A BUNCH OF PEOPLE WHOM JESUS CONDEMNED AND CURSED.
In short you are basing your argument and faith on those who are cursed by jesus and yet you claim to be his follower?
you need serious help friend.
Sacrifice IS NOT compulsory.... shown in MATHEW 21 and the PROSTITUTES NEVER SACRIFICED. THERE IS NO EVIDENCE TO IT.
letmesee74 2 years ago
pharsees sacrificed BUT the people SAVED in MATHEW 21 DID NOT. there is no proof .
god explained the limitations of sacrifice in HOSAE. No way is Jesus giving his laws keeping the ALREADY CONDEMED SACRIFICAL LAWS in mind. jesus message is TOTALLY INDEPENDANT OF IT.
Proven 100%
letmesee74 2 years ago
LUKE 10-
25On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. "Teacher," he asked, "what must I do to inherit eternal life?" 26"What is written in the Law?" he replied. "How do you read it?" 27He answered: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind'[c]; and, 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'[d]" 28"You have answered correctly," Jesus replied. "Do this and you will live."
MESSAGE IS CRYSTAL CLEAR
letmesee74 2 years ago
Luke 10. Mathew 21, Mathew 25 are one of many passages by JESUS himself which rejects all the claims of christians.
peace
letmesee74 2 years ago
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MATHEW 21
Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are entering the kingdom of God ahead of you. 32For John came to you to show you the way of righteousness, and you did not believe him, but the tax collectors and the prostitutes did. And even after you saw this, you did not repent and believe him.
Did they become perfect ?
Did anyone pay for their sins ?
NO AND NO THEY DID NOT SACRIFICE ANUTHING. PHARSEES DID but there sacrifice has been rejected
letmesee74 2 years ago
LUKE 10
25On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. "Teacher," he asked, "what must I do to inherit eternal life?" 26"What is written in the Law?" he replied. "How do you read it?" 27He answered: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind'[c]; and, 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'[d]" 28"You have answered correctly," Jesus replied. "Do this and you will live."
letmesee74 2 years ago
joe you are trying to justfy uour claims.... by qoting practise of PROPHET KILLERS. Jesus calls jews as PROPHET KILLERS.... and he also refers to them as people who will lead you to hell (pharsees basically).
THATS IS YOUR SUPPORT?
Not good enough. Jesus gave his laws despite them and rejecting them.
letmesee74 2 years ago
Once again, you reference something that only proves my case.
Jesus said fulfill the law and you will be saved. The simple fact of the matter is, as I have said over and over and over again, is that NO MAN CAN FULFILL THE LAW.
There is only ONE MAN in all of history who has fulfilled the law. That man is Jesus Christ.
Salaam,
Joe
jorsak 2 years ago
AFTER KNOWING THE TRUTH.... now jorsak you claim.... NO ONE CAN BE SAVED BY THIS..... as we are unable to do so.
IN OTHER WORDS JESUS WAS WASTING OUR TIME....
very very sad you think like this. DID THE JEW CONCERNED THINK.... IT WQS IMPOSSIBLE TO DO THIS..... OR DID ANYONE ELSE SUGGEST THIS?
no. ONCE AGAIN..... your assumption is a lie and wrong.
WORSHIP ONE GOD AND GIVE CHARITY.
This is the conclusion of what jesus said. DO THIS AND YOU WILL BE SAVED.
not impossible
letmesee74 2 years ago
You are ignoring the greater whole of what Jesus taught. Did Jesus teach simply worshiping God and being charitable to your neighbor is what is required in salvation?
Jesus taught that ALL the law must be fulfilled for salvation. When asked the same question in Mark chapter 10 Jesus responded, "19You know the commandments: 'Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not give false testimony, do not defraud, honor your father and mother.'
COMMANDMENTS. Yes LMS74! (cont.)
jorsak 2 years ago
Jesus said we must fulfill ALL the law. He did not create this new concept of simply "Worship God and be charitable" as you say. In fact, Jesus states specifically, "Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill." -Mark 5:17
And what does the LAW say regarding sin and sacrifice? Well, I have made that repeatedly known to you as I have with the prophets.
Salaam,
Joe
jorsak 2 years ago
I ALREADY EXPLAINED THE SACRIFICAL LAWS TO YOU.... its high time YOU UNDERSTAND IT AS WELL....
exactly The LAW STAYS..... time to learn what it is and time to follow it.
JESUS EXPLAINED THE LAWS..... and explained repentance. HE COMPLETED THE law....
your claims and that of PAUL abolishes the law.
letmesee74 2 years ago
You keep telling me that YOU have explained the sacrificial law to me. I did find that a bit humorous. No offense meant my friend.
You have not explained it to me one bit. The simple fact of the matter is even with something as simple as Yom Kippur, you really don't understand the sacrificial law system that was fully practiced right up until the day the temple was destroyed in 70AD.
That undoes all your argumentation about what you think Jesus meant.
Salaam,
Joe
jorsak 2 years ago
I DO UNDERSTAND IT... it is time you UNDERSTAND REALITY....
its very important that you.
YOUR ENTIRE ASSUMPTIONS ARE BASED UPON A BUNCH OF PEOPLE WHOM JESUS CONDEMNED AND CURSED.
In short you are basing your argument and faith on those who are cursed by jesus and yet you claim to be his follower?
you need serious help friend.
Sacrifice IS NOT compulsory.... shown in MATHEW 21 and the PROSTITUTES NEVER SACRIFICED. THERE IS NO EVIDENCE TO IT.
letmesee74 2 years ago
the bible says that on that day when jesus comes back and the christians will say my lord,my lord we use your name in healing sick people or casting bad spirits out frm humans body.....but jesus will answer that i dnt remember u or i dont know you....hahaaha cnt christians understand this that jesus is not a god?becoz associating somebody to allah is the biggest sin a person can make...and this sin is unforgivable....thats why we should stick to 1=1 not 3=1......its very compr]ehensive right?
millerespinosa 1 year ago
EXACTL... MORE GOOD DEEDS TO LEAD YOU TO SALVATION.
jesus NEVER taught a short cut.... keep doing good deds and keep repenting when you do bad deeds.
YOU FORGOT ON THE DAY OF JUDEGMENT....PEIOPLE WILL GO TO HELL FOREVER.... WHY?
because they will give no charity...? JESUS SAID THAT.
THROUGH OUT THE GOSPELS..... HE IS TELLING YOU YOUR DEEDS WILL LEAD YOU TO HEAVEN. HE EIS EPLAINING THE LAW TO YOU.
BUT YOU ARE NOT LISTENING.
letmesee74 2 years ago
My friend,
Jesus did not say "do good deeds" anywhere in what I quoted you. He said, "You know the commandments." and then he listed SOME.
The COMMANDMENTS is THE LAW.
YOU KNOW THE COMMANDMENTS. Throughout the gospels he is telling YOU that he would die (Mark 8:31, 9:31, 10:32-34). throughout the Gospels he even tells you HOW he would be killed. (Matthew 20:19, 26:2, etc.)
And he tells you WHY he would be crucified. (Matthew 26:28)
Yet, you make excuses for all of this. You (Cont.)
jorsak 2 years ago
ignore historical fact (Sacrifices continued up until 70AD). You ignore the LAW which requires sacrifice for sin and you ignore what Jesus said in regards to the law and himself being the fulfillment of the law.
Here's the fun thing: If you accept Jesus as your sin offering as he stated ( Matt 26:28), then you will BECOME right.
Now, I no longer need to sacrifice. I have offered ONE sacrifice for all time and I am saved and then so you would be too.
Salaam,
Joe
jorsak 2 years ago
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sure i will support my argument...
GOD desires MERCY....
Okay we will be merciful
GOD desires NO SACRIFICE...
okay we will do as God wants.
when God says He desires Mercy and not sacrifice.....
I THINK E SHOULD DO SO.
SURE WE SIN EVEN THOUGH GOD DESIRES THAT WE DONT.
For some reason you think it is not possible........for us to show MERCY. We can do that and that is what God wants.
WORSHIP ONE GOD. GIVE CHARITY (LUKE 10) and forgive others. as told in HOSEA 6-6-
letmesee74 2 years ago
WORSHIP ONE GOD. GIVE CHARITY (LUKE 10) and forgive others. as told in HOSEA 6-6-
salavtion achived.
THIS TIME I HAVE EVEN SHOWN AND PROVEN THE CONTEXT.
PEACE
letmesee74 2 years ago
LETS ALSO READ THE SHEEP AND GOAT PARABLE IN MATHEW 25.
People will go to heaven solely on the fact as to who fed the hungry and who did not. This is going to be in the second coming of Jesus.
And then christians claim that deeds have no bearing on ones salvation ?
letmesee74 2 years ago
Luke 10
25On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. "Teacher," he asked, "what must I do to inherit eternal life?" 26"What is written in the Law?" he replied. "How do you read it?" 27He answered: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind'[c]; and, 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'[d]" 28"You have answered correctly," Jesus replied. "Do this and you will live"
completing agreeing with ISLAM
letmesee74 2 years ago
We can see how clear Jesus was with regard to salavation... and yet this is ignored and rejected by christians.....?
Faith and deds go togather.
No blood sacrifice is required.
letmesee74 2 years ago
LMS74,
Hello again. I hope all is well with you and yours. What I keep seeing is that you will grab certain stories and attempt to divorce them from the greater whole.
The method of salvation has NEVER changed. Ever since the law was instituted. Follow the commandments. The point is, that NO ONE can complete the law perfectly. NONE.
While God DESIRES obedience, he REQUIRES sacrifice for sin.
Malachi 3:6 states, "For I am the LORD, I do not change;" And thus, he DOES NOT EVER (cont.)
jorsak 2 years ago
get rid of his law. He does not EVER suddenly decide... oh well... I USE to require sacrifice for sin as is plainly stated in my law but now I am changing all that. Simply ask for forgiveness and you're ok.
Many here, including you, argue for example that Ezekiel 18 does away with sacrifice. This passage of scripture when divorced from the whole would SEEM to imply that repentance alone is all that is needed for salvation. However, when you continue reading Ezekiel, you see NUMEROUS(cont.)
jorsak 2 years ago
examples where Ezekiel discusses the need for sacrifice for sin.
And thus it is to not understand that sacrifice for sin is a requirement of God's law is to completely not understand Judaism or Christianity at all but is merely an attempt to force concepts into them that simply are not there.
Salaam,
Joe
jorsak 2 years ago
Hi Jorsak.....
like i quoted you back in video 3
Hosea 6:6
For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings.
to claim the assumption that jews were sacrificing when jesus said all that i quote.... means nothing.
God clearly has replaced sacrifice and given the reason. Unfortunately you did not understand the sacrifical laws then and that is why you still hold on to them.
Peace
letmesee74 2 years ago
Hosea does not EVER say that the law of God has been done away with. Because God states that he DESIRES obedience does not EVER mean that He has done away with his law.
If you had children, you would understand such a statement. I DESIRE that my children obey. MOST of the time they do. When they don't there are consequences.
You use to refer to Ezekiel 18 as your "proof" text that sacrifice was done away with. I see since I have demonstrated that Ezekiel repeatedly refers to (cont.)
jorsak 2 years ago
sacrifice that you have ceased offering it.
You now move on to Hosea. My friend, you continue to attempt to take concepts and shove them into an entire concept where they do not belong at all.
God does not change. God's law requires sacrifice. The Jews sacrificed right up until the day of Jesus. Can you explain why the Jews were still offering sacrifice in the day of Jesus?
The simple fact of the matter is that a book (Hosea) written on how UNDESIRABLE sacrifices are that are (cont.)
jorsak 2 years ago
offered from an unrepentant people has nothing to do with canceling out God's law.
And that is why, while celebrating the passover meal, Jesus stated to his disciples, "Take and eat; this is my body." 27Then he took the cup, gave thanks and offered it to them, saying, "Drink from it, all of you. 28This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins."
Plain, simple, clear.
Salaam,
Joe
jorsak 2 years ago
that is not right with regard to desires and requires....!
When God desires something and makes a comparison..... it says every thing.
You have trouble under standing the sacrifical lawas from the simple reason you have no idea what they are really for.
If you read HOSEA you will realize that sacrifices jews were making.... were altogather not acceptable to God (for many reasons).
letmesee74 2 years ago
hosea 3-4
For the Israelites will live many days without king or prince, without sacrifice or sacred stones....
AND FURTHER....
hosea 9 - 4 They will not pour out wine offerings to the LORD, nor will their sacrifices please him. Such sacrifices will be to them like the bread of mourners; all who eat them will be unclean.
God does not like at all NOR accept the jewish sacrifice
letmesee74 2 years ago
so when Jesus says in MATHEW 21
"I tell you the truth, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are entering the kingdom of God ahead of you. 32For John came to you to show you the way of righteousness, and you did not believe him, but the tax collectors and the prostitutes did.
It has no relation to your claims... that jews sacrificed animals and under such circumstances the abobve applies!
jewish sacrifice was NOT accepted by god for a long time before Jesus came.
letmesee74 2 years ago
jewish sacrifice has no effect NOR any relation to the ways jesus told one can be saved. Mathew 21, Luke 10 (25 to 30) to name a few of those ways.
When God says people to show Mercy....... what will happen? In retrun God will show Mercy to you.
Sacrifice has been rejected by God... for the simple reason that you and other christians (and jews) even to this day , have no clue to its purpose.
letmesee74 2 years ago
you stated, "that is not right with regard to desires and requires....!"
please show support for your argument. The simple fact of the matter is this:
God DESIRES that none would sin. THAT is what scripture states. Just as scripture states, "The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance."
Would you suggest that because God desires ALL to come to repentance that all do? That is
jorsak 2 years ago
simply a silly notion.
You state, "You have trouble under standing the sacrifical lawas from the simple reason you have no idea what they are really for."
Please do not tell me what I do or don't understand without support for your argument. I understand COMPLETELY what the law was for and for that matter you don't even HAVE to accept my "opinion." The scripture tells you plainly:
"15 "He shall then slaughter the goat for the sin offering for the people... because of the uncleanness (cont.)
jorsak 2 years ago
and rebellion of the Israelites, whatever their sins have been. "
The verse tells you EXACTLY what the sacrifice is for. It is plain and clear.
Fact #1. The law requires sacrifice for sin.
Fact #2. God is unchanging. His law is NEVER contradicted.
Fact #3. The Jews were offering sacrifice right up until the destruction of the temple in 70AD. IF Hosea canceled out sacrifices, the sacrificing would have ceased. It did not.
Fact #4. Jesus states PLAINLY and CLEARLY that his blood was (cont.)
jorsak 2 years ago
shed for the forgiveness of sin.
NONE of these facts have been / nor can they be refuted.
Salaam,
Joe
jorsak 2 years ago
sure i will support my argument...
GOD desires MERCY....
Okay we will be merciful
GOD desires NO SACRIFICE...
okay we will do as God wants.
when God says He desires Mercy and not sacrifice.....
I THINK E SHOULD DO SO.
SURE WE SIN EVEN THOUGH GOD DESIRES THAT WE DONT.
For some reason you think it is not possible........for us to show MERCY. We can do that and that is what God wants.
WORSHIP OPNE GOD. GIVE CHARITY (LUKE 10) and forgive others. as told in HOSEA 6-6-
letmesee74 2 years ago
i meant One God
letmesee74 2 years ago
Sorry for such a long absence. Yet again work keeps me swamped.
Here's the main point that you keep missing my friend. God DESIRES these things but we as humans FAIL. NO ONE is without sin.
God desires that we OBEY, that we SHOW MERCY, etc. There are many laws that he wishes we would adhere to perfectly. HOWEVER, when we don't his law is clear an unyielding.
This is PLAINLY evident in the fact that the Jews sacrificed right up until the temple was destroyed which was HUNDREDS of years
jorsak 2 years ago
AFTER Hosea was written.
The book of Hosea (And Ezekiel which you previously argued) DOES NOT EVER do away with God's law.
Salaam,
Joe
jorsak 2 years ago
joe you are trying to justfy uour claims.... by qoting practise of PROPHET KILLERS. Jesus calls jews as PROPHET KILLERS.... and he also refers to them as people who will lead you to hell (pharsees basically).
THATS IS YOUR SUPPORT?
Not good enough. Jesus gave his laws despite them and rejecting them.
letmesee74 2 years ago
NO BODY IS SAYING THE LAW OF GOD IS DONE.
What I am saying that you dont even know what the law of God is. Apparently you are hell bound punishing someone no matter what.
JOHN 15-
22If I had not come and spoken to them, they would not be guilty of sin. Now, however, they have no excuse for their sin.
THIS AGAIN GOES COMPLETELY AGAISNT WHAT YOU CLAIM
letmesee74 2 years ago
LMS74,
People are only sheep who have come to a genuine saving faith in Christ. No one is a sheep without Jesus' atonement offering for them.
As is plainly stated in scripture, "He sets aside the first to establish the second. 10And by that will, we have been made holy through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all."
Right up until the time of Jesus' sacrifice for sin was STILL being offered. It is a historical fact as is plainly clear in scripture, (cont.)
jorsak 2 years ago
"11Day after day every priest stands and performs his religious duties; again and again he offers the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. 12But when this priest had offered for all time one sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God.
But now that Jesus is the perfect sacrifice, there is no longer need to sacrifice for sin any more.
I pray he will one day become your sacrifice.
Salaam,
Joe
jorsak 2 years ago
your quoting Hebrews. this is not the word of jesus. the author is supposably PAUL.
Modern Biblical scholars will say.... AUTHOR OF HEBREW is unkown.
Lets stick wth 4 gospels.
letmesee74 2 years ago
Regarding the Book of Hebrews:
While I could certainly argue it's relevance as the word of God, it doesn't even matter one bit. What is ABSOLUTELY CLEAR is that the JEW who wrote that book clearly understood the sacrificial system that was STILL IN PRACTICE at the time the book was written which was WAY WAY WAY after Hosea.
Salaam.
Joe
jorsak 2 years ago
NICE YOU WRITE JEW.....
Hebrew author unknown.... thats no proof.
I follow the word of Jesus.
OT Book of Hosea shows clearly that GOD was not ahppy with the jewsih sacrifical customs...... THESE OFFERING WERE NOT ACCEPTED BY GOD.
So when I quote Jesus..... your claim that the context os the jewsih laws is 100% WRONG.
Luke 10-25 tyells the way how we are saved. WORSHIP ONE GOD AND GIVE CHARITY.
Who said that????? Jesus. That is ebough for me.... unfortunately it is not for you
letmesee74 2 years ago
LMS74,
You'd like to make this about the authorship of Hebrews because it is necessary for you to get off the argument you have been trying to make because it is entirely undone at this point.
The simple fact of the matter is sacrifice was taking place right until 70AD by ALL JEWS when the temple was destroyed.
When you quote Jesus, it has NOTHING TO DO with undoing the law. Salvation has been the same ever since God introduced his law. Follow it perfectly and receive salvation. (cont.)
jorsak 2 years ago
for what ever reason you are trying to relate the TEACHINGS of Jesus with jewsih sacrifical laws IS BEYOND ME.
It has no proof NOR connection. For wht ever reason you reject the teaching of JESUS I QUOTE SAYS IT ALL. you do not follow jesus BUT FOLLOW Paul.
jesus NOT ONCE related his teachings to sacrifical laws. INFACT THOSE THAT SACRIFICED ANIMALS ere condemned to hell AS OPPOSED TO THOSE WHO DID NOT
letmesee74 2 years ago
mathew 21
Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are entering the kingdom of God ahead of you. 32For John came to you to show you the way of righteousness, and you did not believe him, but the tax collectors and the prostitutes did. And even after you saw this, you did not repent and believe him.
who did sacrifice..... pharsees BUT THEY ARE NOT SAVED.
PROSTITUES DID NOT SACRIFICE NOR DID THEY BECOME PERFECT. THEY ARE SAVED.
SAY WHO? JESUS
letmesee74 2 years ago
If you love God with all your heart, mind, and soul, you will not break the first 4 commandments. If you love your neighbor more than yourself (Not give charity as you said) then you will not break the next 6 commandments.
Salvation has NOT CHANGED since God introduced the law. Follow his commands perfectly and you will be saved. Break one of his commandments and YOU MUST GIVE SACRIFICE.
That is THE LAW. God does not want us to sin, be unmerciful, or break ANY of his commands. (cont.)
jorsak 2 years ago
THAT is what he DESIRES. Yet, if we DO sin against God by breaking his law, WE MUST SACRIFICE FOR SIN. THAT IS WHAT THE LAW SAYS.
And you are simply incorrect about who sacrificed. ALL Jews sacrificed and offered sacrifice according to the law. Additionally, the high priest offered a sacrifice EVERY YEAR on YOM KIPPUR (Day of ATONEMENT) for the NATION.
This is a simple fact of history.
Salaam,
JOe
jorsak 2 years ago
LAW SAYS MANY OTHER THINGS AS WELL.
JESUS TAUGHT AGAINST WHAT YOU ARE SAYING.
YOUR ASSUMPTIONS ARE WRONG AND GOES AGAINST WHAT JESUS SAID.
REPENT.... AND BE SINCERE that is what God wants. Nothing more and nothing less.
letmesee74 2 years ago
Patently false and I have demonstrated it with the words of Jesus himself.
jorsak 2 years ago
got to go now... take care
letmesee74 2 years ago
Sacrificeing animal is MERELY a good deed. you kill an animal and give it to poor. its a good deed in simple words. U R BALANING YOUR ACCOUNT AFTER SINNING. thats all.
GOD REPLACES ONE GOOD DEED WITH ANOHTER.
REPLACES SACRIFICE WITH MERCY. READ HOSEA...
u as usual follow paul and prophet kiler jews.... I follow the prophets....
peace
letmesee74 2 years ago
john 15-
22If I had not come and spoken to them, they would not be guilty of sin. Now, however, they have no excuse for their sin.
JESUS DISAGREES WITH YOU JORSAK. HE SAYS THEY WOULD NOT BE GUILTY OF SIN.....? DESPITE SINNING.
you still have no idea what laws of sacrifices were for AND unfortunately YOU NEVER WILL.
Jesus taught that DEEDS lead you to heaven.
letmesee74 2 years ago
when you say (and assumme) genuine faith.... is required in order to be a sheep!
you are ignoring again HOW is genuine faith determined.
BY ACTIONS..... to be more specific.
If you gave charity your faith is true or lets say more strong.
If you do not give charity... you do not have faith... or less faith.
Actions.... DEEDS here are determinig your faith AND ultimately your salvation.
letmesee74 2 years ago
jorsak, thank you for the email,.. I was just trying to give you what our scientist interpreted. That was just an answer to a tiny problem, to prove there's nothing really worng with the book.
After all You should not deny a book of 600 pages for a couple of notes on few verses. You need to put up a lot more "conceptual" arguments to doubt and re-evaluate such a great book.
Ehab769 2 years ago
My friend,
I do appreciate your eagerness to defend your faith and your kindness with which you have endeavored to do so.
As I had said in my response to you, I don't make it a habit to study other faith's books at any great length. There are simply to many.
What I know is this: The Quran teaches that Jesus did not die on the cross and that is a massive failing which means hell for the person who subscribes to that view. That is my honest and studied opinion.
I do not come to that (cont.)
jorsak 2 years ago
opinion with blind acceptance of my parents faith. My faith is just that; my own. It is the result of hundreds of hours of study.
I believe in the principle given to bank tellers when they train to first start their jobs. They NEVER work with the counterfeit; only the original. Thus, when the counterfeit comes their way, it is easily detected.
I do not say any of that to be rude or unkind as I certainly do not mean it that way at all. I am simply telling you how I feel.
Salaam,
Joe
jorsak 2 years ago
Although this faith is not clearly stated in the Bible (argumentative by ppl like Deedat), a third person finds himself between your theory and ours (the complete concept by Quran). This third person has to choose based on logic first, regardless of what is written in either of the books. If you shall find this exercise interesting, let us continue our discussions: Tell me what the third person (without faith) might start thinking ? and how would he judge both theories independently ?
Ehab769 2 years ago
Read the New Testament of the Bible of the words said by Yeshua (JESUS):
Matthew 5:17 "Do not think that I came to replace the Torah and the teachings of the prophets; I did not come to destroy them, but rather to fulfill them."
Matthew 15:24 "I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel."
Luke 18:19 "Why do you call me good? There are none good but God."
John 6:38 "For I came down from heaven, not to do my own will, but the will of him that sent me".
knightsofstjoan2004 3 years ago
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(continued)
John 8:58 "I am telling you the truth, before Abraham was born, 'I Am'."
John 10:30 "I and the Father are one."
John 11:25-26 "I am the resurrection and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die."
knightsofstjoan2004 3 years ago
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John 14:6 "I am the truth, the way, and the life: no one comes to the Father, but by me."
John 17:5 "And now, O Father, give me glory in thy presence, the same glory I had with thee before the world was made."
knightsofstjoan2004 3 years ago
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Isaiah 7:14 and Isaiah 9:6 speaks about the birth of the Messiah. Immanuel from Isaiah 7:14 means "God with us", God came to earth from heaven and incarnated and manifested in the flesh in the person of Yeshua the Messiah. Yeshua HaMashiach is Immanuel meaning Yeshua HaMashiach is The Incarnation of Yahweh.
knightsofstjoan2004 3 years ago
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Yeshua HaMashiach was not the first appearance of God in the flesh. It is ridiculous, hypocrisy and insane if you say and think that you can do anything that God can't do. God can do anything according to his will, he can interact with his creation and above all of that God appeared and manifested himself in the flesh many times in the Tanakh (see Genesis 3:8, Genesis 18:1-14, Genesis 32:24-30, Exodus 24:9-11, Joshua 5:13-15, Judges 13:22, Proverbs 30:4).
knightsofstjoan2004 3 years ago
honestly Jorsak u really do not read very well READ MARK 10:18
tuber153 3 years ago
I know the passage very well. It is also paralleled in Luke 18. However, in NEITHER of these references does Jesus EVER say that he is NOT GOOD.
Jesus only states that only God is Good and never denies that he is not good. It is simply the Muslim that desires to INSERT something into what Jesus has said that is not there.
jorsak 3 years ago
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Jesus said he was/is God when he said I and the Father are one,for the Jews picked up rocks to stone Jesus for claiming to be God
John 10:33
The Jews understood when Jesus said I and the Father are One that it meant Jesus was saying He is God but when you give this proof to Muslims they refute it,why
Because the Koran forbids Muslims to contradict Muh otherwise other Muslims will slaughter them
and that prevents Muslims from seeing and accepting the proof that they pretended they wanted
BonjourNuit9 3 years ago
LUKE 10-27He answered:Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind; and, 'Love your neighbor as yourself.
28"You have answered correctly," Jesus replied. Do this and you will live.
YOU WILL LIVE WORSHIPPING ONE GOD AND LOVING YOUR NEIGBOURS.WHO SAID THAT?
A PERSON CALLED JESUS.
A PERSON ALSO CALLED GOD BY PAULIAN PAGANS.
But then again as per some christians. Jesus did not know anything. Paul knew more. Ok, got it. lol
letmesee74 3 years ago
But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshipers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. (John 4)
Note:
Jesus never asks anyone to worship him, only "the Father (his God)" seeketh such worship.
Which John 20 call as "17 ..my Father and your Father,.. my God and your God."
So worship the God he worshiped (Matthew 26:39), he did by 'falling on his face' like us Muslims.
Love him, revere him and believe in him BUT don't worship him.
noJoining 3 years ago
LUKE 10:
25On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. "Teacher," he asked, "what must I do to inherit eternal life?" 26"What is written in the Law?" he replied. "How do you read it?" 27He answered: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind'[c]; and, 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'[d]" 28"You have answered correctly," Jesus replied. "Do this and you will live."
letmesee74 3 years ago
luke 10 finsihes off christanity and all its claims.
how one goes to heaven?
by worshipping God and helping others.
no blood sacrifice no trinity. says who ?
a guy caled Jesus.
ooopss JORSAK.
ONCE AGAIN YOUR ON BOOKS REJECTS YOUR CLAIMS LOL.
Now go ahead and quote Paul... the cursed pharsee... your lord. You are a paulian pagan.
letmesee74 3 years ago
Isaiah 53:5 But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon him, and by his wounds we are healed.
Eh... what do the prophets know?
Matthew 26:28 This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins. - Jesus
Ehh... but what does Jesus know.
Clearly Letmesee74 knows more than God.
Care to make anymore idiotic comments oh ye of tremendous vulgarity and profanity?
jorsak 3 years ago
letmesee74 3 years ago
Iniquity by definition from the dictionary:
1. gross injustice or wickedness.
2. a violation of right or duty; wicked act; sin.
SIN
But you also forgot "Transgression"
1. an act of transgressing; violation of a law, command, etc.; sin.
"SIN!"
So Isaiah the prophet clearly states that the Messiah would be "Pierced through" (Hmmm can you say CRUCIFIED) SPECIFICALLY FOR OUR "SIN"
Not so we could "Follow their message" NO WHERE in the scripture does it state that.
jorsak 3 years ago
It states EXACTLY, "But he was pierced FOR OUR TRANSGRESSIONS (Sin), he was crushed FOR OUR INIQUITIES (Sin);"
So ONCE AGAIN your twisted rendition does not meet either basic English dictionary definition or context.
AND you always seem to forget JESUS' WORDS HIMSELF, "This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins."
Jesus states HIMSELF that HIS BLOOD is the BLOOD OF THE NEW COVENANT which is POURED OUT....why?? For the FORGIVENESS OF SIN!
jorsak 3 years ago
And your idiotic LUke 10 comment. I know I will face judgement for casting what is holy before swine but I'm sick of seeing it. Of course... having it answered just as with John 17 will mean absolutely nothing. You will continue to open your profane vulgarous mouth and spew forth lies.
OF COURSE JESUS SAID TO FOLLOW THE LAW! Scripture has always taught that, "Sacrifices and offerings or whole burnt-offerings and sin-offerings Thou hast not desired or taken pleasure in" (Hebrews 10:8)
jorsak 3 years ago
Scripture makes clear, "Has the LORD as much delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices As in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, And to heed than the fat of rams." 1 Samuel 15:22
TO OBEY IS BETTER but NO MAN CAN FULFILL THE LAW!
THAT is why Jesus said he must become the SIN SACRIFICE! That is why his OWN MOUTH STATED IT and WHY YOU HAVE NO REBUTAL TO THE LORD JESUS CHRIST WHOM YOU WILL KNEEL BEFORE!
jorsak 3 years ago
How do we know about God? All the prophets adamantly taught us so.
How do we know about Judgment Day? All the prophets warned about it.
How do we know about heaven/hell? All the prophets taught it.
How do we know that Jesus is God? Well, no prophet ever said it, not even Jesus, who was believed to be a prophet by his followers and muslims. Apparently some men translated, interpreted, and ignored any contrast- and there u have it. now who do u follow? The prophets or the 'learned men'?
Summadat 3 years ago
Could you please show me ONE prophet in ALL of history who ever claimed the following applied to himself:
"14 He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all peoples, nations and men of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away"
Just one. Show me ANY PROPHET of God who made such a claim and I will denouce Christ today.
Let me save you some time. ONLY Jesus made such claims.
jorsak 3 years ago
All prophets were given authority to judge amongst their people. But it remains apparent that you have no regard for the truth. You invent matters and interpret according to convenience- even when there is clear evidence that refutes all your allegations. The finality is that your convictions represent your own fabrications, and not the teachings of Jesus.
My final advice is: Read the Qur'an, and stop interpreting of ur own inclinations.
Summadat 3 years ago
Jesus applies the following to himself:
"14 He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all peoples, nations and men of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away"
This is not MY interpretation but what Jesus applied TO HIMSELF.
From the dictionary (Sovereign) - having supreme rank, power, or authority, supreme; preeminent; indisputable: a sovereign right. Greatest in degree; utmost or extreme.
"nations and men of every
jorsak 3 years ago
language worshiped him."
Jesus made it clear that God alone is to be worshipped(Proskeneo) (Luke 4:8.)
Yet Jesus stated that ALL MEN of ALL NATIONS would worship him when he applied Daniel 7:13-14 to himself.
This is also plainly evident by the fact that Jesus received and accepted "proskeneo" on over 20 occasions in the Gospel of Matthew alone.
jorsak 3 years ago
red labeled bible shows everything Jesus said This verse ur Quoting is what some one applied to Jesus BIG difference
tuber153 3 years ago
Goodness my friend are you missing the point. WOW!
Daniel is in the OLD TESTAMENT. So, OF COURSE, it will not show the text in red. It is the REFERENCE to which JESUS HIMSELF uses to HIMSELF as the source for "Son of Man." Son of Man is the TITLE which Jesus most commonly applies to himself and he gets it from Daniel 7:13-14 which is a clear reference to deity.
jorsak 3 years ago
sorry to burst ur bubble but Jesus didnt claim that, read the verse and read it again and i swear u still wont see why Jesus did not claim that Verse and it was alluded to him because ur eyes will not let you
tuber153 3 years ago