You have absolutely no idea about the video. It also seems that you have an issue specifically with Christianity. You only attack Christianity. The video is not how you portray it at all.
Oh, btw. *sniffs*.... ahh, is that the burning of a straw man I smell? Oh, wait! It is :p As your Father, Richard Dawkins, your knowledge is little and your head is big.
Oh, yes! I completely overlooked your creative license. It must have been all that propaganda shoved in my head again. Don't get too excited, friend. And thanks! I will!
@sheepinarowboat Your grammar sucks, if you're going to make a blithe and dismissive comment at least have the GOD DAMN COMMON COURTESY to spell it "you're" not "your" you ass.
Hmmm...that was some pretty fancy polysyllabic language you were using there. Almost feels like you are trying to make a point that you are intelligent and the "believers" are not. The evidence that you use is taken mostly out of context, though I will say that extreme fundamentalists are pushing an agenda that is based on a political perspective rather than carrying any faith-based merit.
@demulla I don't think that belief or disbelief is a practical measure of intelligence. And even if I did I'd still recognize that there are christians who are smarter than others, and the same with atheists or any group of people. And at least we agree that the fundamentalists are up to no good. Thanks for the comment.
man i don't think i've seen anything more deliberately taken out of context....i agree with Demulla....i got the feeling that all that "fancy talk" was for the benefit of the listener to give more credit to your position....
This is why the bible is so good. It tells of people just like YOU! Romans 1:21-23" Because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, , nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts and thier foolish minds were darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image like corruptible man-and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things" You need to examine yourself. You think your wise, but your a fool!
@IntelligentRectangle What makes you think I'm bitter, friend? Towards a snake like mark driscoll you betcha but it's not like everywhere i go i stomp around cursing his name and muttering to myself. I save up all my bitterness for nickleback mostly.
I disagree with the tags you have used to label this video, you must have some underlying agenda to be specifically naming one church with the words "hates women"
hey Keippernicus... your cynical tone, failure to provide any support, failure to correctly interpret what you see in these videos, your lack of understanding of chrisitianity, and the the holes in this message leave me to think that all you are doing is simply criticizing, insulting
If you think I am wrong then there is only one problem with your vid.... you need to convey your message better b/c i have no clue what ur tryin to say bro.... you seriously have to try to better than that
@Keippernicus it's not nice to tell someone they're headed for destruction? really? The bible specifically tells of hell and torment for those who oppose God, for God would not be just if he allowed sin to go unpunished. Therefore, the 'nicest' thing i could do for you is to warn you of such events. you again proved the first part of my last comment.
@Keippernicus first off, kick that stinkin attitude and realize that you're dead in sin, blind to the things of God, and the only hope you have is to turn to Jesus in Humility.
second, get this trash off youtube.
third, plead with God for mercy. turn from sin and seek to be reconciled to God through Christ.
but....oh yea, you dont believe any of this, so go ahead and get your laugh and start another pointless video.
@hubbs86 Thank you for clarifying your position. However instead of bending over at the waste for your superstitious ideas of what god and perfection are I think I'll continue to use my brain for thinking instead of mental slavery.
@Keippernicus Oh they're not my own ideas...they're the ideas held by billions of people all over the world for the last 2,000 years, which were laid out by God himself. BTW, it's funny to hear you say that your 'brain' is the ultimate source of truth. clearly you're not even educated in secular thought, much less in any type of christian belief system..
@hubbs86 Oh yes because it's not scientists and philosophers who are the smartest people, it's the christians. The cracker munchin' gay-hatin' snake handlin' bible thumpers who really know the most about the world.
@Keippernicus it's your mistake to think that philosopsers aren't christians. I dont really want to waste my time, swine. consider what it might be if Christianity is true.. 2 Peter talks about you throughout all 3 chapters.. you should really read it, you might even find your name : )
@hubbs86 Dude, you really think I'd be a vocal atheist if I wasn't familiar with the bible and apologetics? I've read plenty, including the bible cover to cover. Maybe you should revisit Deuteronomy 25:11-12 and tell me if that sounds like perfect all-knowing justice to you or not.
There's a lot more I could mention but we'll start there and see how you feel about it.
Dude your attacks on Mark are thin and loaded with self-hate and emotion. Anyone who has heard him preach would be able to place these statements in context and your attempt to justify your ignoring the call of God on your heart is not original. But keep searching and arguing because at least your willing to dialogue.
I'm praying for you man. Not out of hate, but for your heart. Maybe I'm wrong, but, because of what God does in the Christians heart, I can not feel anything but sorrow and love for you and your family at hearing your disdainful opinion of our God and church leaders.
@mingis11 I don't have a disdainful opinion of your god because I don't believe in it. And it's not all churches, but pastor mark is an evil little man. You just wait for the sex/money scandal...it's only a matter of time.
...as staying home. It is in no way men forcing their wives to stay home, not at all! As for the people that have called this person a freak or verbally attacked his message, he is entitled to it. Yes we should stand up for what we believe in but not at the expense of basically sinning towards another/this person. Jesus, faithfully, historically, died on the cross for those sins, but don't make it worse by sinning against him over his opinion. Keipernicus I am sorry on behalf of all Christians
I am sorry for any Christian that has wronged you or attacked you in any way. With that said, it is unfair for you to take some statements out of context to create your own propaganda against Mars Hill and Christianity itself. Yes, there are churches out there that wrongfully make tremendously awful claims. That is not what Christianity is about. We love those people. We love our wives. We carefully take into consideration things concerning our wives and families when making a decision such...
@engeljse Thanks for your thoughtful comment. Couple things though. 1) I don't hate christianity or christians, and that's not why I dislike MHC or pastor mark. I dislike extremism and oppression (in all faiths/non-faith) and it drips off pastor mark every time he opens his mouth.
I also live in the south and seeing how christian women 'should behave' turns my stomach. Not all the time of course but there are a lot of nutters around here. Thanks again.
Wow that is taking the whole message out of context there. All those things are what people were thinking and saying about Mary back when she was alive. You can believe what you want to believe and you can take whatever out of context but don't ever do something like that again. Flaming people, mixing their words - it's a dishonor to the person. Grow up and do something else with your time, like you said you have a child. Go look after your child instead of making a fool of yourself and others.
@LuckyGoesHaha Lucky, there's something you should know about me and a good number of atheists as well. We don't take orders from pushy religious folk for no reason. You wanna go sandbag one of your fellow theists that's your business but you can't stop me from doing what I want, and your interpretation of the video is just that. An interpretation.
@Keippernicus Well a lot of the atheists I know don't flame Christians or try and misconstrue what they are saying. They ask for an explaination before making their own judgment on it. You on the other hand just took the video way out of context.
wow i love the way you totally took marks words out of context... go to the church, see how mark treats his wife...but you probably can't be bothered--- lyiing hoare- hes talking about what other people say not himself
Grown man who believes in fairy tales who said "hey girls, if you can't do anything with YOUR life don't worry because you can still be a mom and your kids might."
Really man .. you take things so out of context... It's kind of sad... that you would devote such time to this video... and it would be so retarted... wow... Your a freak, im not gonna lie... A weird freak.. and read Tolstoy... he talks about how you base everything on what "Christians do" read the damn bible yourself and stop basing it on your idea of the Christian Populous
you are a sad little man, you know that? Instead of your words being something significant or important, it mostly reminds me of a bite I get from 1 mosquito during the middle of summer...annoying & itchy for a moment but very insignificant & forgotten in time. No matter what you do, it will NEVER STOP PASTOR MARK, MARS HILL CHURCH OR MOST IMPORTANTLY, THE MESSAGE OF THE GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST!!!
regarding learning and education: some interesting verses to consider as well as that it was eating from the `tree of knowledge of good and evil` that causes death / sin.
Proverbs 1:7
The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.
Proverbs 11:2
When pride cometh, then cometh shame: but with the lowly is wisdom.
I like your idea and I really wish more christians would take the time to learn more, especially to think before reacting and to put other people's perspectives on level ground.
`if i am right and god is on my side, surely i can do no wrong` - I`m not sure I have ever heard fundamentalist Christians say that - Phelps is a nutter forgetting `love Thy Neighbour` but any fundamentalist preaching I`ve ever hear has always said `all have sinned and come short of the glory of god` and `all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags` putting the onus on Christ not on man.
...as Christ loved the church, and give himself for it. God desires that men treat their wives with extreme love, and self-sacrifice. God is love. And the only things He hates is sin. He loves people. Nowhere in the Bible does it say that God hates homosexuals. People do say hateful things, fundamentalists or otherwise. But it is a little ridiculous to say that all fundamentalists feel a certain way. I challenge you to read the Bible through and THEN say what you want about Jesus Christ.
I have read the bible all the way through and this is just a mild condemnation. Compared to some other bits like stoning adulterers and the fascist edicts of leviticus this was pretty mild.
Maybe you shouldn't turn to an archaic book for your morality when your own good judgement would server far better.
I am not a troll and I'm sorry that an honest, albeit harsh criticism on my part would invoke such a counter-productive and insulting response from you. I was genuinely interested in the subject as I have just been exposed to Driscoll's teachings and I am somewhat wary of his doctrine and as such I am seeking out differing opinions which led me to this video.
Again, I did not intend my comment to be taken personally and was speaking more towards the technical execution rather than the content.
I've tried to watch this twice, but more than a third of the way in and still no mention of Mars Hill and this narration is so painfully bad that I just can't get through it. No personal offense intended here. Hopefully this video's author can redo this video with new technology or a voice that doesn't sound like nails on a chalkboard.
No personal offense here but your comment was incredibly useless. The first part is called "buildup" to the topic of fundamentalism, which relates to the title/topic of this video. Secondly I can't help the way my voice sounds so kindly go impale yourself rectally on a fire hydrant, troll.
I don't necessarily disagree with what the orator is saying, it's all said in a weird snarky tone that is as nearly annoying as right wing conservatives.
you have no freaking idea what you're talking about in this video. You're taking every quote of his out of context and then playing in your own messed up crap.
I'm done with this one. If you watch the whole sermon (which i have) in context, you'll find out that this video is in no way a reflection of MHC's actual views.
Hey, then why say stuff if you don't mean it? I've watched the whole sermon too, sadly, and every thing I have seen from MHC says the exact same thing about women and their place in the world according to pastor mark and the bible.
And I reiterate, if you don't like it go play somewhere else. It's just that simple.
if you're only resting your argument on your opinion and not solid truth, then you might as well not argue at all. Obviously your not a christian, so why do you think you have christians figured out?
This is so ridiculous. Mars Hill is completely different from the Westboro Baptist Church. Have you ever heard Mark talk about religious fundamentalists? Unlike some people who are motivated by empty morals, Christians, like the ones who attend Mars Hill, are motivated out of worship for the one true Savior, Jesus Christ.
Well if pastor mark condemns fundamentalists then he's even more of a hypocrite than I thought. Watch the filthy roman sponge video, he completely made that up to make a point and get some emotional hooks into the crowd. The guy's a used car salesman.
Go to the church. It's a Seattle rock concert with a sermon. Loud music, hip clothing, "church" made up to look like a club. Driscoll dresses the part and he mixes his religion with his special "humor".......turn the whole thing over and it's "You're going to hell if you don't believe in our zombie", "Jesus came back from the dead, just believe it.", and "Women better just keep quiet in church (oh, maybe give announcements, but that's all"........
no, it's NOT different, and I'm sorry to tell you the truth, Missy........ Because YOU got sold a bill of goods by Pastor Mark and company that YOU could be a cool, indie-Jesus hipster, different than Falwell, Phelps, Glenn Beck, and the rest. Sorry, YOU got ripped off.
watched a few mars hill videos and doesnt seem like phelps at all. phelps preaches hate..listening to pastor mark he preaches right and wrong but as the bible does love thy neighbour ... being a Christian is about the relationship between you and God not other people and God (taking a high moral ground like phelps)
Sweetheart, Mark preaches that a "loving" God choose some limited number of all the children he created, the Jews, and decided it was A-OK for them to KILL the other children he'd created becasue those children weren't "chosen." Further, this "loving" god lets you go to hell and burn forever if you don't love him back. Is he different ithan Phelps? In style, yes. That is the key to their success- marketing. Driscoll markets a hip, indie, Jesus in a brown tee with dreads...only REAL difference.
dude, thats Calvinism or predestination, there are many verses that point to it and there are many people who believe in free will instead pointing to other verses...predestination is that fact that God has foreknowledge and knows the past, present and future before it happens..what you are missing is that God gave you life and he can take it away whenever he wants, your life is a gift not a right ,it is appointed unto man once to die`
I wish you a good life. And I wish that for all beings. Your theology posits a god who created the condition, he being all-powerful, for people to burn in hell. He didn't have to allow hell to exist.
Why would a loving god create a hell? Can you sit with that and not answer right away?
Fundamentalism is a lot like crack smoking. When the crack smoker's high starts to wear off, they desperately start searching for more.
In the same way when the truth sheds light on the irrationality and moral visciousness of christianity, the desperately have to come up with some unsatisfactory answer lest their bubble be burst.
Dude, you have no idea what you're talking about! Mary had great Achievement...she bore Jesus, James, and Jude who all owe huge parts of thier accomplishments to thier mother, Mary.
Secondly, you disagree that Mary either has to be a goldy woman or a whore.
I'm not going to argue that there are people who 'just make mistakes', but it's clear in scripture that she was a godly woman, and testified to being a virgin. if she lied about that, it's serious.
@Keippernicus pal, if you think it's just a story, you should waste you time adding some more 'thumbs up' comments to that hannah montana video you probably have on replay.
I hate these idiots that keep wanting time and human progress to go backward a few thousand years, just so they can have control of women's bodies and lives.
People who want this are neither wholly sane nor rational. Religion is such a fucking drag!
May we all be "educated beyond our humility"--and beyond religion.
hmm having watched some of the mars hill videos i don`t see the same thing as you...he says that and husband and wife become one (one flesh in the bible), that `all are equal in Christ` and that a husband should love his wife, provide for and take care of his wife and family and be faithful to his wife...thats responsibility to his wife and family not control of his wife - thats what i took from it anyhow..and he also makes a point of saying that living as a Christian can not forced, it a choice
Nice video, also, I always thought there could be athiest one's, but really it seems many chirstians that fall under this term want to turn it on athiests, like if they label them that, hey defeat them.
Haha, James and Jude would have had to be around 70 years old when they supposedly wrote those books (and didn't sign their names) so their mother would have been long dead by that time. She probably died thinking they had run off and abandoned her. No regrets there!
True, it's one of those things you always hold intellectually in your head but bumping into it is still jarring for me. Wishful thinking on my part, perhaps.
Very nicely done. 1st, some Christians portray a god that is as petulantly sensitive as the boy in the "It's a Good Life" episode of "The Twilight Zone." 2nd, voting on the contents of the New Testament? Hmm, I wonder who first came up with that idea. 3rd, it always fascinates me that Pastor Driscoll and his ilk never consider the possibility that Mary and Joseph had sex resulting in the conception and birth of Jesus. 4th, "Land of the Sodomite Damned" was the name of a bar I once went to.
I bet that was a fun bar. Did you manage to get a man train going because it seems like that'd be an ideal place to link one up. Also that kid from the twilight zone really pissed me off but it makes perfect sense that a petulant kid with super powers would be a giant dick. Something about eating the peanut butter sandwiches for every dinner made me really queasy the first time I watched it.
It's funny, speaking of the twilight zone, how as a kid the updated "there's a man on the wing of the plane" episode with John Lithgow scared the bejesus out of me as a kid but watching it again just makes it seem so silly.
Well done, and not an audible gasp. Instead, it was the sound of teeth grinding.
BTW, completely off-the-wall comment: I almost certainly was conceived out of wedlock, so if any of you Godless Evil People calls me a bastard, I will thank you for being precise. ^.^
Anyhow, I'm going to go punch something inanimate now, and mutter about people who can't be adult enough to handle either cognitive dissonance or the fact that human beings are defined by their minds, and not imposed roles.
That concept of education and intelligence being elitist and ignorance being the equivalent of humility is one of the most frightening things about fundies...it goes beyond being an excuse for intellectual laziness and becomes a hinderance to creativity, research, and understanding.
Someone needs to educate that guy that the gospels had unknown authors. I'd have a good time educating him "beyond humility". Education doesn't cause vainity... it causes people to realize how the world actually works.
i think the WBC are the closest to true christianity on this planet. they are the only fundies who take the bible literal, even in its most brutal of verses.
the loius theroux documentary on the church was amazing, seeing it from the inside, how they brainwash all the kids in the family, how they are massive hypocrites.
the worst side, but also the turest side of christianity
What scares me is that the church is almost entirely Phelps' extended family. I saw a clip of some of his grand daughters and it made me sick to my stomach.
I'm a bastard and no one has ever seemed to care about it, I've known a lot of other bastards and no one thought them less for being one. As for education of course it leads to "hubris" in the eyes of a fundamentalist. If you are educated you ask questions...if you ask questions you are questioning god...it you question god you are an arrogant, horrible sinner who will burn in hell. Great video...as always.
I think the two are intertwined and that you can't question one or the other without hitting a nerve on both. Scary what the brain can do...and what it can't.
Sorry, no gasp at the "educated beyond their humility" comment. Then again, I've been dealing with the conservative translation of the bible recently and have become desensitized to an incredible amount of anti-intellectualism. It still pisses me off, but the shock is gone.
You really are a bitter, pretentious man.
jimjom1000 1 year ago
As usual... no context is offered except those of the author of this video. Sad, very sad.
SkiesVibrant 1 year ago
@westbychris Heh, Josephus and Tacitus both born after jesus died. Nice ace in the hole there, chris.
Keippernicus 1 year ago
- Ignorance
- Arrogance
- No context
- Pride
-Condecending
You have absolutely no idea about the video. It also seems that you have an issue specifically with Christianity. You only attack Christianity. The video is not how you portray it at all.
Oh, btw. *sniffs*.... ahh, is that the burning of a straw man I smell? Oh, wait! It is :p As your Father, Richard Dawkins, your knowledge is little and your head is big.
Leave the youtube, please :)
Wilkins777 1 year ago
Oh, yes! I completely overlooked your creative license. It must have been all that propaganda shoved in my head again. Don't get too excited, friend. And thanks! I will!
Stufflebam 1 year ago
Keippernicus, Who do you say Jesus is?
vonyoldel 1 year ago
@vonyoldel Two words: Fictional Character.
Keippernicus 1 year ago
Pompous garbage was pretty much all I heard.
Stufflebam 1 year ago
@Stufflebam Yes well it's hard to hear with so much propaganda clogging up your brain.
Keippernicus 1 year ago
@Keippernicus Good one! Also, why are you correcting someone else's grammar when you can't properly punctuate a sentence?
Stufflebam 1 year ago
@Stufflebam As the proprieter of this fine channel I can take creative license with any and all of my comments. Have an excellent fuckin' day!
Keippernicus 1 year ago
omFg this guy is a horrible person.
bbmkanata 1 year ago
*snore* your bitter
sheepinarowboat 1 year ago
@sheepinarowboat Your grammar sucks, if you're going to make a blithe and dismissive comment at least have the GOD DAMN COMMON COURTESY to spell it "you're" not "your" you ass.
Keippernicus 1 year ago
@Keippernicus Ya Im gonna mak shure my grammer is currect four a YouTube commint. Gud comebeck! LOL!
sheepinarowboat 1 year ago
Seriously ur educated beyond humility..............god bless you.
champable 1 year ago
Your choice of words and tone make you sound pretentious.
thereverend999 1 year ago
Hmmm...that was some pretty fancy polysyllabic language you were using there. Almost feels like you are trying to make a point that you are intelligent and the "believers" are not. The evidence that you use is taken mostly out of context, though I will say that extreme fundamentalists are pushing an agenda that is based on a political perspective rather than carrying any faith-based merit.
demulla 1 year ago
@demulla I don't think that belief or disbelief is a practical measure of intelligence. And even if I did I'd still recognize that there are christians who are smarter than others, and the same with atheists or any group of people. And at least we agree that the fundamentalists are up to no good. Thanks for the comment.
Keippernicus 1 year ago
@Keippernicus
man i don't think i've seen anything more deliberately taken out of context....i agree with Demulla....i got the feeling that all that "fancy talk" was for the benefit of the listener to give more credit to your position....
DpR228 1 year ago
This is why the bible is so good. It tells of people just like YOU! Romans 1:21-23" Because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, , nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts and thier foolish minds were darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image like corruptible man-and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things" You need to examine yourself. You think your wise, but your a fool!
Spanno0000 1 year ago
@Spanno0000 So wish people quote the bible rather than show me where I went wrong? Could you tell me specifically what I have done to become a fool?
Keippernicus 1 year ago
It's gotta be lonely being such a bitter guy.
IntelligentRectangle 1 year ago
@IntelligentRectangle What makes you think I'm bitter, friend? Towards a snake like mark driscoll you betcha but it's not like everywhere i go i stomp around cursing his name and muttering to myself. I save up all my bitterness for nickleback mostly.
Keippernicus 1 year ago
I disagree with the tags you have used to label this video, you must have some underlying agenda to be specifically naming one church with the words "hates women"
KurtzCreations 1 year ago
@KurtzCreations The video i'm replying to was called "mars hill loves women" and it was contra their POV so the title came from there.
Keippernicus 1 year ago
wow this guy has no idea what he's talking about...
PageIdol69 1 year ago
hey Keippernicus... your cynical tone, failure to provide any support, failure to correctly interpret what you see in these videos, your lack of understanding of chrisitianity, and the the holes in this message leave me to think that all you are doing is simply criticizing, insulting
If you think I am wrong then there is only one problem with your vid.... you need to convey your message better b/c i have no clue what ur tryin to say bro.... you seriously have to try to better than that
JJacob23 1 year ago
You're such a retard, Keippernicus.. haha.. I hope you realize some day how lost you are.
hubbs86 1 year ago
@hubbs86 Perhaps when I'm burning in hell? Not a very nice attitude to take.
Keippernicus 1 year ago
@Keippernicus it's not nice to tell someone they're headed for destruction? really? The bible specifically tells of hell and torment for those who oppose God, for God would not be just if he allowed sin to go unpunished. Therefore, the 'nicest' thing i could do for you is to warn you of such events. you again proved the first part of my last comment.
hubbs86 1 year ago
@hubbs86 Ok, whoa. Thanks for the warning. Now what do I need to do?
Keippernicus 1 year ago
@Keippernicus first off, kick that stinkin attitude and realize that you're dead in sin, blind to the things of God, and the only hope you have is to turn to Jesus in Humility.
second, get this trash off youtube.
third, plead with God for mercy. turn from sin and seek to be reconciled to God through Christ.
but....oh yea, you dont believe any of this, so go ahead and get your laugh and start another pointless video.
hubbs86 1 year ago
@hubbs86 Thank you for clarifying your position. However instead of bending over at the waste for your superstitious ideas of what god and perfection are I think I'll continue to use my brain for thinking instead of mental slavery.
Keippernicus 1 year ago
@Keippernicus Oh they're not my own ideas...they're the ideas held by billions of people all over the world for the last 2,000 years, which were laid out by God himself. BTW, it's funny to hear you say that your 'brain' is the ultimate source of truth. clearly you're not even educated in secular thought, much less in any type of christian belief system..
hubbs86 1 year ago
@hubbs86 Oh yes because it's not scientists and philosophers who are the smartest people, it's the christians. The cracker munchin' gay-hatin' snake handlin' bible thumpers who really know the most about the world.
You're cute. I might just keep you.
Keippernicus 1 year ago
@Keippernicus it's your mistake to think that philosopsers aren't christians. I dont really want to waste my time, swine. consider what it might be if Christianity is true.. 2 Peter talks about you throughout all 3 chapters.. you should really read it, you might even find your name : )
hubbs86 1 year ago
@hubbs86 Dude, you really think I'd be a vocal atheist if I wasn't familiar with the bible and apologetics? I've read plenty, including the bible cover to cover. Maybe you should revisit Deuteronomy 25:11-12 and tell me if that sounds like perfect all-knowing justice to you or not.
There's a lot more I could mention but we'll start there and see how you feel about it.
Keippernicus 1 year ago
Dude your attacks on Mark are thin and loaded with self-hate and emotion. Anyone who has heard him preach would be able to place these statements in context and your attempt to justify your ignoring the call of God on your heart is not original. But keep searching and arguing because at least your willing to dialogue.
modifyme9 1 year ago
@modifyme9 Thank you for neatly and narrowly summarizing my position in life based on one of my videos.
Keippernicus 1 year ago
I'm praying for you man. Not out of hate, but for your heart. Maybe I'm wrong, but, because of what God does in the Christians heart, I can not feel anything but sorrow and love for you and your family at hearing your disdainful opinion of our God and church leaders.
mingis11 1 year ago
@mingis11 I don't have a disdainful opinion of your god because I don't believe in it. And it's not all churches, but pastor mark is an evil little man. You just wait for the sex/money scandal...it's only a matter of time.
Keippernicus 1 year ago
...as staying home. It is in no way men forcing their wives to stay home, not at all! As for the people that have called this person a freak or verbally attacked his message, he is entitled to it. Yes we should stand up for what we believe in but not at the expense of basically sinning towards another/this person. Jesus, faithfully, historically, died on the cross for those sins, but don't make it worse by sinning against him over his opinion. Keipernicus I am sorry on behalf of all Christians
engeljse 1 year ago
I am sorry for any Christian that has wronged you or attacked you in any way. With that said, it is unfair for you to take some statements out of context to create your own propaganda against Mars Hill and Christianity itself. Yes, there are churches out there that wrongfully make tremendously awful claims. That is not what Christianity is about. We love those people. We love our wives. We carefully take into consideration things concerning our wives and families when making a decision such...
engeljse 1 year ago
@engeljse Thanks for your thoughtful comment. Couple things though. 1) I don't hate christianity or christians, and that's not why I dislike MHC or pastor mark. I dislike extremism and oppression (in all faiths/non-faith) and it drips off pastor mark every time he opens his mouth.
I also live in the south and seeing how christian women 'should behave' turns my stomach. Not all the time of course but there are a lot of nutters around here. Thanks again.
Keippernicus 1 year ago
Wow that is taking the whole message out of context there. All those things are what people were thinking and saying about Mary back when she was alive. You can believe what you want to believe and you can take whatever out of context but don't ever do something like that again. Flaming people, mixing their words - it's a dishonor to the person. Grow up and do something else with your time, like you said you have a child. Go look after your child instead of making a fool of yourself and others.
LuckyGoesHaha 1 year ago
@LuckyGoesHaha Lucky, there's something you should know about me and a good number of atheists as well. We don't take orders from pushy religious folk for no reason. You wanna go sandbag one of your fellow theists that's your business but you can't stop me from doing what I want, and your interpretation of the video is just that. An interpretation.
Keippernicus 1 year ago
@Keippernicus Well a lot of the atheists I know don't flame Christians or try and misconstrue what they are saying. They ask for an explaination before making their own judgment on it. You on the other hand just took the video way out of context.
LuckyGoesHaha 1 year ago
wow i love the way you totally took marks words out of context... go to the church, see how mark treats his wife...but you probably can't be bothered--- lyiing hoare- hes talking about what other people say not himself
weesh3 1 year ago
Grown man who believes in fairy tales who said "hey girls, if you can't do anything with YOUR life don't worry because you can still be a mom and your kids might."
How is that out of context.
Keippernicus 1 year ago
Really man .. you take things so out of context... It's kind of sad... that you would devote such time to this video... and it would be so retarted... wow... Your a freak, im not gonna lie... A weird freak.. and read Tolstoy... he talks about how you base everything on what "Christians do" read the damn bible yourself and stop basing it on your idea of the Christian Populous
TrampledMoss10 1 year ago
you are a sad little man, you know that? Instead of your words being something significant or important, it mostly reminds me of a bite I get from 1 mosquito during the middle of summer...annoying & itchy for a moment but very insignificant & forgotten in time. No matter what you do, it will NEVER STOP PASTOR MARK, MARS HILL CHURCH OR MOST IMPORTANTLY, THE MESSAGE OF THE GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST!!!
UncleBernie2 1 year ago
Heh, you seem to remember the mosquito bite pretty well actually.
Keippernicus 1 year ago
scratch...scratch...
UncleBernie2 1 year ago
regarding learning and education: some interesting verses to consider as well as that it was eating from the `tree of knowledge of good and evil` that causes death / sin.
Proverbs 1:7
The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.
Proverbs 11:2
When pride cometh, then cometh shame: but with the lowly is wisdom.
Ecclesiastes 1:18
For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow.
ulsterscotsonline 2 years ago
I like your idea and I really wish more christians would take the time to learn more, especially to think before reacting and to put other people's perspectives on level ground.
Also EC 1:18 is my favorite bible verse.
Keippernicus 2 years ago
`if i am right and god is on my side, surely i can do no wrong` - I`m not sure I have ever heard fundamentalist Christians say that - Phelps is a nutter forgetting `love Thy Neighbour` but any fundamentalist preaching I`ve ever hear has always said `all have sinned and come short of the glory of god` and `all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags` putting the onus on Christ not on man.
ulsterscotsonline 2 years ago
...as Christ loved the church, and give himself for it. God desires that men treat their wives with extreme love, and self-sacrifice. God is love. And the only things He hates is sin. He loves people. Nowhere in the Bible does it say that God hates homosexuals. People do say hateful things, fundamentalists or otherwise. But it is a little ridiculous to say that all fundamentalists feel a certain way. I challenge you to read the Bible through and THEN say what you want about Jesus Christ.
1c9n8k8 2 years ago
I have read the bible all the way through and this is just a mild condemnation. Compared to some other bits like stoning adulterers and the fascist edicts of leviticus this was pretty mild.
Maybe you shouldn't turn to an archaic book for your morality when your own good judgement would server far better.
Keippernicus 2 years ago
The Bible condemns homosexuality and a host of other sins...however God loves sinners ie us!
Pretty sure i watched a few mars hill vids telling husbands to be good and kind to their wives..which is pretty much what the bible teaches.
Leviticus is really for the Jews at that time...laws on `unclean` food (worm infested pigs etc ) and shellfish stopped many getting sick.
ulsterscotsonline 2 years ago
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1c9n8k8 2 years ago
I am not a troll and I'm sorry that an honest, albeit harsh criticism on my part would invoke such a counter-productive and insulting response from you. I was genuinely interested in the subject as I have just been exposed to Driscoll's teachings and I am somewhat wary of his doctrine and as such I am seeking out differing opinions which led me to this video.
Again, I did not intend my comment to be taken personally and was speaking more towards the technical execution rather than the content.
jtk1519 2 years ago
You should probably watch the WHOLE video if your intent is to offer valid criticism.
Keippernicus 2 years ago
I've tried to watch this twice, but more than a third of the way in and still no mention of Mars Hill and this narration is so painfully bad that I just can't get through it. No personal offense intended here. Hopefully this video's author can redo this video with new technology or a voice that doesn't sound like nails on a chalkboard.
jtk1519 2 years ago
No personal offense here but your comment was incredibly useless. The first part is called "buildup" to the topic of fundamentalism, which relates to the title/topic of this video. Secondly I can't help the way my voice sounds so kindly go impale yourself rectally on a fire hydrant, troll.
Keippernicus 2 years ago
I'm sorry. This guy is just so off it's disgusting. Not even worth watching.
175rmm 2 years ago
Who me or pastor mark?
Keippernicus 2 years ago
I don't necessarily disagree with what the orator is saying, it's all said in a weird snarky tone that is as nearly annoying as right wing conservatives.
9990madmax 2 years ago
Wake up, Sweetheart, this guy is a right wing conservative in a brown tee shirt with a choker. It's the new Indie Fire and Brimstone, ala Seattle!
BeauJames59 2 years ago
you have no freaking idea what you're talking about in this video. You're taking every quote of his out of context and then playing in your own messed up crap.
hubbs86 2 years ago
It's a big internet friend, go find somewhere else to play if you can't handle someone pointing out the bs you're stuck in.
Keippernicus 2 years ago
@Keippernicus cant handle it? yes, your intimidating comments really frighten me. geezzz...
I'm done with this one. If you watch the whole sermon (which i have) in context, you'll find out that this video is in no way a reflection of MHC's actual views.
hubbs86 2 years ago
Hey, then why say stuff if you don't mean it? I've watched the whole sermon too, sadly, and every thing I have seen from MHC says the exact same thing about women and their place in the world according to pastor mark and the bible.
And I reiterate, if you don't like it go play somewhere else. It's just that simple.
Keippernicus 2 years ago
@Keippernicus does your mommy know you're on youtube? read and study a while... you have a lot to learn
hubbs86 2 years ago
Actually my mom DOES know that I'm on youtube. So do my wife, and daughter and even my dog.
How does that relate to how much I've studied anyway I don't see the connection. Be sure to use small words so I understand.
Keippernicus 2 years ago
gladly,
if you're only resting your argument on your opinion and not solid truth, then you might as well not argue at all. Obviously your not a christian, so why do you think you have christians figured out?
hubbs86 2 years ago
This is so ridiculous. Mars Hill is completely different from the Westboro Baptist Church. Have you ever heard Mark talk about religious fundamentalists? Unlike some people who are motivated by empty morals, Christians, like the ones who attend Mars Hill, are motivated out of worship for the one true Savior, Jesus Christ.
csichick33 2 years ago
Well if pastor mark condemns fundamentalists then he's even more of a hypocrite than I thought. Watch the filthy roman sponge video, he completely made that up to make a point and get some emotional hooks into the crowd. The guy's a used car salesman.
Keippernicus 2 years ago
He IS not, he's the Indie-Jesus-standup-comedian-shock-jock................
BeauJames59 2 years ago
Not sure how to take that. Can you be more specific for me please?
Keippernicus 2 years ago
Go to the church. It's a Seattle rock concert with a sermon. Loud music, hip clothing, "church" made up to look like a club. Driscoll dresses the part and he mixes his religion with his special "humor".......turn the whole thing over and it's "You're going to hell if you don't believe in our zombie", "Jesus came back from the dead, just believe it.", and "Women better just keep quiet in church (oh, maybe give announcements, but that's all"........
BeauJames59 2 years ago
no, it's NOT different, and I'm sorry to tell you the truth, Missy........ Because YOU got sold a bill of goods by Pastor Mark and company that YOU could be a cool, indie-Jesus hipster, different than Falwell, Phelps, Glenn Beck, and the rest. Sorry, YOU got ripped off.
BeauJames59 2 years ago
watched a few mars hill videos and doesnt seem like phelps at all. phelps preaches hate..listening to pastor mark he preaches right and wrong but as the bible does love thy neighbour ... being a Christian is about the relationship between you and God not other people and God (taking a high moral ground like phelps)
ulsterscotsonline 2 years ago
Sweetheart, Mark preaches that a "loving" God choose some limited number of all the children he created, the Jews, and decided it was A-OK for them to KILL the other children he'd created becasue those children weren't "chosen." Further, this "loving" god lets you go to hell and burn forever if you don't love him back. Is he different ithan Phelps? In style, yes. That is the key to their success- marketing. Driscoll markets a hip, indie, Jesus in a brown tee with dreads...only REAL difference.
BeauJames59 2 years ago
dude, thats Calvinism or predestination, there are many verses that point to it and there are many people who believe in free will instead pointing to other verses...predestination is that fact that God has foreknowledge and knows the past, present and future before it happens..what you are missing is that God gave you life and he can take it away whenever he wants, your life is a gift not a right ,it is appointed unto man once to die`
ulsterscotsonline 2 years ago
God doesnt let you go to Hell, he gives you an escape route to close the gap created by sin.
`For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.`
ulsterscotsonline 2 years ago
I wish you a good life. And I wish that for all beings. Your theology posits a god who created the condition, he being all-powerful, for people to burn in hell. He didn't have to allow hell to exist.
Why would a loving god create a hell? Can you sit with that and not answer right away?
BeauJames59 2 years ago
Fundamentalism is a lot like crack smoking. When the crack smoker's high starts to wear off, they desperately start searching for more.
In the same way when the truth sheds light on the irrationality and moral visciousness of christianity, the desperately have to come up with some unsatisfactory answer lest their bubble be burst.
BeauJames59 2 years ago
Dude, you have no idea what you're talking about! Mary had great Achievement...she bore Jesus, James, and Jude who all owe huge parts of thier accomplishments to thier mother, Mary.
Secondly, you disagree that Mary either has to be a goldy woman or a whore.
I'm not going to argue that there are people who 'just make mistakes', but it's clear in scripture that she was a godly woman, and testified to being a virgin. if she lied about that, it's serious.
hubbs86 2 years ago
Serious? If you say so. It's just a story after all.
Keippernicus 2 years ago
@Keippernicus what the heck are you talking about?
hubbs86 2 years ago
What part of "its just a story" did you miss exactly?
I'm not sure I can break down into smaller syllables than that.
Keippernicus 2 years ago
@Keippernicus pal, if you think it's just a story, you should waste you time adding some more 'thumbs up' comments to that hannah montana video you probably have on replay.
hubbs86 2 years ago
The "educated beyond their humility" comment!
I didn't sigh but I let out an anoyed grunt that would have made you laugh if you heard it.
I was just about to go back and make shure I heard it right when you commented on it.
SkyDoginthetube 2 years ago
I think that comment was about humility not education
probably thinking of:-
Proverbs 11:2
When pride cometh, then cometh shame: but with the lowly is wisdom.
Proverbs 14:6
A scorner seeketh wisdom, and findeth it not: but knowledge is easy unto him that understandeth.
ulsterscotsonline 2 years ago
pastor mark, is pretty cute, too bad he is too delusional
deviouscola 2 years ago
*Yawn*
mikejackson4ever 2 years ago
I didn't sigh, but instead blurted out "fuck me running" at the "educated beyond their humility" comment.
Then I LOLed at the paraphrase of Chris Crocker.
Great vid: 5*s, favorited.
PoppaBahr 2 years ago
I'm glad I didn't have beverage in my mouth at the time or i might need a new LCD screen.
Keippernicus 2 years ago
I hate these idiots that keep wanting time and human progress to go backward a few thousand years, just so they can have control of women's bodies and lives.
People who want this are neither wholly sane nor rational. Religion is such a fucking drag!
May we all be "educated beyond our humility"--and beyond religion.
wingedhorses 2 years ago 2
hmm having watched some of the mars hill videos i don`t see the same thing as you...he says that and husband and wife become one (one flesh in the bible), that `all are equal in Christ` and that a husband should love his wife, provide for and take care of his wife and family and be faithful to his wife...thats responsibility to his wife and family not control of his wife - thats what i took from it anyhow..and he also makes a point of saying that living as a Christian can not forced, it a choice
ulsterscotsonline 2 years ago
Isn't "Poopfilled Spongeguy" a cartoon on Nickleodeon?
GoblinXXX 2 years ago
Nice video, also, I always thought there could be athiest one's, but really it seems many chirstians that fall under this term want to turn it on athiests, like if they label them that, hey defeat them.
Krensharpaw 2 years ago
Really good video as ever K, the mindset of these people is terrifying.
dominictemple 2 years ago
pray for health and let the child die
Wisconsin couple got off to easy
they should have done hard time
american justice is fuckin weird
swinewarrior 2 years ago
Well said - Excellent video.
I drive past their chapel regularly, and had wondered what brand of crap they spew... but not enough to want to actually investigate.
This video handily showcases some of the many reasons I equate fundamentalism with severe mental illness and dementia.
a2zdiy 2 years ago
great video
I watched it twice
greetings
Charon42 2 years ago
Haha, James and Jude would have had to be around 70 years old when they supposedly wrote those books (and didn't sign their names) so their mother would have been long dead by that time. She probably died thinking they had run off and abandoned her. No regrets there!
AbbeyNormal 2 years ago
I made this face :| at the educated beyond humility comment.
samdavjunjun 2 years ago
American has a strong anti-intellectual streak that fuels fundamentalism. This is where the "educated beyond humility" concept comes from.
jdbadboy 2 years ago
True, it's one of those things you always hold intellectually in your head but bumping into it is still jarring for me. Wishful thinking on my part, perhaps.
Keippernicus 2 years ago
Very nicely done. 1st, some Christians portray a god that is as petulantly sensitive as the boy in the "It's a Good Life" episode of "The Twilight Zone." 2nd, voting on the contents of the New Testament? Hmm, I wonder who first came up with that idea. 3rd, it always fascinates me that Pastor Driscoll and his ilk never consider the possibility that Mary and Joseph had sex resulting in the conception and birth of Jesus. 4th, "Land of the Sodomite Damned" was the name of a bar I once went to.
ProfMTH 2 years ago
I bet that was a fun bar. Did you manage to get a man train going because it seems like that'd be an ideal place to link one up. Also that kid from the twilight zone really pissed me off but it makes perfect sense that a petulant kid with super powers would be a giant dick. Something about eating the peanut butter sandwiches for every dinner made me really queasy the first time I watched it.
Keippernicus 2 years ago
"I bet that was a fun bar."
It was.
"Did you manage to get a man train going because it seems like that'd be an ideal place to link one up."
LOL. I don't recall ever seeing a man train in real life. Perhaps I was just going to the wrong bars when I was single.
Apropos very little, another favorite gay bar name is Cathode Ray, which I think is still around.
That episode of "The Twilight Zone" is, I think, one of the few truly scary episodes -- at least of the ones I've seen.
ProfMTH 2 years ago
It's funny, speaking of the twilight zone, how as a kid the updated "there's a man on the wing of the plane" episode with John Lithgow scared the bejesus out of me as a kid but watching it again just makes it seem so silly.
Shatner's acting was WAY scarier.
Keippernicus 2 years ago
"Shatner's acting was WAY scarier."
Indeed.
ProfMTH 2 years ago
KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!!!
GoblinXXX 2 years ago
I think this pastor is a lying whore.
proudfootz 2 years ago
Well done, and not an audible gasp. Instead, it was the sound of teeth grinding.
BTW, completely off-the-wall comment: I almost certainly was conceived out of wedlock, so if any of you Godless Evil People calls me a bastard, I will thank you for being precise. ^.^
Anyhow, I'm going to go punch something inanimate now, and mutter about people who can't be adult enough to handle either cognitive dissonance or the fact that human beings are defined by their minds, and not imposed roles.
._.
stealthbadger 2 years ago
Your name should be "stealthbastard" then!!!
I for one don't give a rat fuck. My daughter was conceived almost 2 years before the wife and I got married so it's all good in my book.
Keippernicus 2 years ago
What's funny is that I've been called that before, and it's fairly accurate in every sense. :D
stealthbadger 2 years ago
great video! *****
Shigren 2 years ago
I actually laughed when I heard that nutcase talk about education 'beyond their humility'...
Coming from a guy who is IGNORANT beyond his own humility, it was a rather silly position to take.
SparkyLen 2 years ago
Being dumb (or not so educated) is humilty?? What's next, closing your eyes makes the boogey man disappear?
MrPerfect1zero 2 years ago
audible gasp and cringe.
BespokeGroupUK 2 years ago
That concept of education and intelligence being elitist and ignorance being the equivalent of humility is one of the most frightening things about fundies...it goes beyond being an excuse for intellectual laziness and becomes a hinderance to creativity, research, and understanding.
FractalHelix777 2 years ago
Someone needs to educate that guy that the gospels had unknown authors. I'd have a good time educating him "beyond humility". Education doesn't cause vainity... it causes people to realize how the world actually works.
Awesome video!
Lovingdoubt 2 years ago
i think the WBC are the closest to true christianity on this planet. they are the only fundies who take the bible literal, even in its most brutal of verses.
the loius theroux documentary on the church was amazing, seeing it from the inside, how they brainwash all the kids in the family, how they are massive hypocrites.
the worst side, but also the turest side of christianity
mambuduomally 2 years ago
What scares me is that the church is almost entirely Phelps' extended family. I saw a clip of some of his grand daughters and it made me sick to my stomach.
Keippernicus 2 years ago
Well, I have one thing to thank Fundamentalists...
I was converted into Atheism by them.
Thanks Fundies, you have directed me to the right path, the truth and the light.
PT109Boat 2 years ago
What a sexist twat.
REBMike1 2 years ago
"Educated beyond their humility"
/facepalm
inmedx 2 years ago
Well that's good, smack some 'humility' into yourself by knocking loose your brain cells.
Keippernicus 2 years ago
May I please add one thing?
Did Mary consent to having god's little child? Hwere was abstention? Really, I want answer!
Regards,
Rhysz
PS
Great vid, 5 starred!
Rhysz1 2 years ago
No, Rhysz she thought she was going to have your child but had to settle for 'god' impregnating her and then giving birth to himself. Creepy family.
Keippernicus 2 years ago
Loved the subtle 'gay' on Phelps' forehead :D
I'm educated beyond humility, it's awesome ;)
Great video Keippernicus!
bewarethelizards42 2 years ago
I wasn't going for subtlety, Phelps is as white as paper so black just stood out. Your attention is forever welcome though.
Keippernicus 2 years ago
I'm a bastard and no one has ever seemed to care about it, I've known a lot of other bastards and no one thought them less for being one. As for education of course it leads to "hubris" in the eyes of a fundamentalist. If you are educated you ask questions...if you ask questions you are questioning god...it you question god you are an arrogant, horrible sinner who will burn in hell. Great video...as always.
arwoodk87 2 years ago
Blessed are the cheesemakers....
TheSpankymonkey 2 years ago 4
I'm a bastard myself, and no one I know cares.
the idea that Christianity is just the most elaborate lie to a husband ever, makes much more sense than the "holy spirit" thing..
DesigningDan 2 years ago
Mars Hill needs to shut up and make me a sammich.
Where's my sammich, Mars? KNOW YOUR PLACE!
gotilk 2 years ago
Brilliant and thought worthy as usual.
TheAtheistSwede 2 years ago
it's not that your taking a shot at their god, but you are taking a shot at them, and that's the heart of the matter.
freethinker3161 2 years ago
I think the two are intertwined and that you can't question one or the other without hitting a nerve on both. Scary what the brain can do...and what it can't.
Keippernicus 2 years ago
i have to admit, i watch all of fred phelps vids and find them hilarious.
freethinker3161 2 years ago
Sorry, no gasp at the "educated beyond their humility" comment. Then again, I've been dealing with the conservative translation of the bible recently and have become desensitized to an incredible amount of anti-intellectualism. It still pisses me off, but the shock is gone.
ChrisTheTruckDriver 2 years ago
"Educated beyond their humility"
Yup, that was a real "did he actually say that?" moment.
samsroomie 2 years ago
Impressive as always...
I think there is a god... Keippernicus!!!
AJBonkoski 2 years ago
Fear not mortal I am a loving and gentle...are you eating pork? DIE HERETIC!!!!
Keippernicus 2 years ago
Cringed too
FEChariot 2 years ago
Impressive video. Thank you. 5stars
Antichryst666 2 years ago
Nice wrap up at the end. Well written Kei.
itsmaxinthebox 2 years ago