@Hardrockker1 if they allow punch to the face in kyokushin....a lot of people would get badly hurt due to the fact kyokushin utilize bare knuckle punches.
My critique of the "taikiken" guys. First of all these guys probably don't practice fighting full contact much. If you look at their practice they do a lot of unified body movements. Problem with that is when you're too unified you lose mobility. Once they get bent out of shape cuz of pressure they lose their structure and then become fish out of water. The key to using taikiken or yichuan is to only activate the unified body method when the time is appropriate to fuel your other techniques
okay, this vid is filled with fabrications. If you've seen a lot of other kyokushin vs taikiken vids, you see that most of the times, kyokushin fighters are losing because they just can't block those attacks to the face(eyes, nose, etc). How much kyokushin loves to fabricate... including those "legendary" stories of ooyama.
@Nonojr2 ...because it's impossible for one set of Taikiken guys, ever, to be less skilled or less on their game than one set of Kyokushin guys? Get real! Any sufficiently large set of videos with one style vs. another will have victories by proponents of both.
@ooogooman i was just talking about these sets of videos between taikiken and kyokushin students... because when I saw the full videos on 2525, most of the matches were won by taikiken students, yet in this commentary... yeah, making it seem like the kyokushin "fighters" were really kicking their asses with their stomach drumming skills
@Nonojr2 Let's survey the 'Related Videos' section, shall we? First, Taikiken vs. Kyokushin 1. The first fight is fairly even: both score a knockdown each which is quickly recovered from. The Kyokushin fighter seems to land the harder hits while the TKK fighter lands more. The second fight in that clip begins with a flurry of punches and ends with the Kyokushin fighter clinching and taking down to a pin (!), though he does sustain a bloody nose. The next fight is poor and tentative...
@Nonojr2 ...on the part of both fighters, though the Taikiken guy does win fairly clearly. The last fight is just a lot of inconsequential flurrying wherein the terrible video quality makes it impossible to tell who's better. On to 'Taikiken vs. Kyokushin 2'. Good throw into pin by the TKK guy to open, but from that point on he proves himself unable to capitalize.'Taikiken vs. Kyokushin 3' features more of the same- both pretty terrible, TKK outclinches KK, KK outstrikes TKK.
@ooogooman All in all: This is hardly an impressive, dominating record on the part of EITHER style, and clearly not top guys on the part of either style. Find me two or three vids with the TKK guys winning cleanly and I'll reconsider my position, but right now both are looking like roughly equivilent styles to me.
@tranglomango Taikiken origins is Yiquan of Master Wang's lineage who taught Master Sawai (his only foriegn student). Kenichi Sawai returned to Japan and founded Taikiken which is loosely a Japanese translation for Yiquan.
I've always been impressed with the Kyokushin fighters, and my instructor worked out with some of the Taikiken guys in Japan and said they were all aggressive and tough. It is interesting to see how different they look considering the amount of cross training that was supposed to have existed between the two groups in Japan.
Good stuff. The fact that people outside of the FULL CONTACT Arts express obscene opinions makes me laugh. No one who has not trained and experienced Full Contact has the right to critique either of these styles. OSU to the Taikiken and Muay Thai who stand toe to toe with us in Full Contact. This isn't points were after. It's reality!
@KyokushinBrawler thats short sighted considering that muy thai and taikiken arent the only full contact people out there. silat, mma, tae kwon do, boxing, closed door kung fu etc...i mean really, to say that these are the only styles that stand toe to toe? its obsurd, and possibly the arena of combat is set up so that these are the only styles that are represented in your kumite.
@KyokushinBrawler : well, it is tougher than match-point tournaments, but it is not "reality", it is still a sport with rules to protect players from real injury.
taikiken is Chinese....maybe at some point this system produced good fighters but obviously whoever taught these guys had no fighting experience what so ever....to bad the y got swindled
so i looked it up on google. and apparently it ias a japanese version of yiquan. therefore not really yiquan. if not the name would have been yi-ken instead.
anyway. just to clarify its a sino-japanese art. and has nothing to do with chinese Tai Ji
as you said, it was modified. just because it was originally a chinese system it doesnt mean that after being modified it's still chinese. All martial arts (oriental ones at least) come from the Shaolin temple of china. after many modifications one of the arts that came out of these shaolin styles were karate. so are you saying karate is also chinese?
C'mon man your telling me that all Kung Fu systems have their beginning in Shaolin....you dont want to start that debate brother....but I will tell you this...the truth is more like most systems found their way into Shaolin....Shaolin is only a collection of systems from what I know but I would like to research it some more.
ummm, no. The styles of Shaolin came from an indian monk. It was there that the STYLES of shaolin was refined and further developed. Many of the styles/systems then spreaded out and became their own discipline. but China is a huge country, so it would be inaccurate to say that ALL kung fu styles STARTED from shaolin (althought MANY MANY did) but what did happen for sure was that the shaolin style had INFLUENCE on all the styles.
most of the current shaolin systems are the result of later contributions made by diverse martial artists who went to shaolin to refine what they knew by mixing it with spiritual and energetic practices. Most of what Bodhidharma brought from India where exercises for health and spiritual development. Look at the ancient Indian styles of MA and you'll see the difference
The association of Bodhidharma with martial arts only becomes widespread as a result of the 19041907 serialization of the novel The Travels of Lao Ts'an in Illustrated Fiction Magazine. Huiguang and Sengchou were expert in the martial arts before they became two of the very first Shaolin monks—years before the arrival of Bodhidharma.[53] The Taishō Tripiṭaka documents Sengchou's skill with the tin staff.
Martial arts were documented IN shaolin b4 damo came.
As for the "Yi Jin Jing" (Muscle Change Classic), a spurious text attributed to Bodhidharma and included in the legend of his transmitting martial arts at the temple, it was written in the Ming dynasty, in 1624, by the Daoist priest Zining of Mt. Tiantai, and falsely attributed to Bodhidharma. Forged prefaces, attributed to the Tang general Li Jing and the Southern Song general Niu Gao were written.
researchers at shaolin and western researchers call BS on damo story. just a myth.
Shaolin temple was last burned in the 1920s by warlords, n the monks fled only to return after the cultural revolution n the 1970-80s n by then only a few monk n books remained. goverment took control of all functions of shaolin n religous politics One thing they did was introduce wushu to shaolin and rebuild it as a tourist attraction And Damo was never mention as the father of kung fu only in novels and storys, was revised and introduced 2 shaolin as da father of kung fu -shaolin encycopedea-
(con't) ie. wing chun (from what i know) either started at the shaolin temple, or was a style heavily influenced by it. and wing chun practitioners/master have without a doubt influenced many other kung fu styles. so ultimately, those kung fu styles were influenced by shaolin. And every style that have adapted to Bruce Lee's philosophies and borrowed from Bruce Lee's style, that style is now influenced by Shaolin because Bruce Lee started off learning shaolin.
Mr. Kenichi Sawai brought the art from China....for his students he was first generation....any students he taught are second generation....he died when??? So how is this system not a Chinese system if he is first generation from China???
Rice was brought over to Japan from China. Rice was then made into a certain form, known as sushi. Would it be correct to say that sushi came from China?
Tai Chi is different in form and philosophy than Taikiken. Therefore, they are not the same.
Let me put it to you this way....If I went to Shaolin Temple Henan and spent 10 years there and came back to the states renamed and slightly modified what I was taught....I would be considered a traitor for what I did....I'm not saying what Sawai did was wrong I'm just saying he never denied what he was doing was YiQuan....so if he never denied it....then guess what its YiQuan!!!!
Er ... what? No way... some Japanese writing is descended from Chinese, but the the languages are completely different, with separate roots, not that it's relevant.
Master Kenichi Sawai is said to have trained yiquan directly under Master Wang Xian Zhaï. Sawai then founded taikiken. Mas Oyama spoke highly of Sawai's skills and they often trained together. These matches between Kyokushin and Taikiken are in keeping with the tradition established by Oyama and Sawai and occur often as they both believed in free exchange of ideas and technique. osu
Note to anyone watcing this. the words there are not the same for tai ji.even thought they cound the same. real tai chi is written with the same tai but the "ji" means extreme while the word used here is "chi" meaning ki.
Mustle does not make you fight better.. Training, and dedication can make you able to defend yourself, and your loved ones. Know what your talking about before you type anything..
so if a martial arts who is a competent at every martial art there is and picks a fight with a full grown gorilla, have a guess who is going to win... and anyway this is a Japanese video, think about it!
Tekkiken is not Taichi. It was an adption of Chinese Yiquan but somehow the internal force training is greatly replaced by external exercise. I don't see yiquan or taichi fighting strategy is used here at all. What I saw in the Tekkiken guy is mere empty shell trying to mimic the form of taichi.
I dont think it was an equal match, the gi wearing dude was obviously more stable, faster and hit harder. I dont think this is very representative a match between styles.
Well.. the kyokushin fighters are very good, in fact, the first one is the actual boss of one of the kyokushin organizations. But I think that there's no real match between styles, it always depends on the practicioner... Any person could be a good fighter practicing one of the various "full contact" martial arts.
UR ALL RETARDED THE OTHER FIGHT U SAW WHERE THE KYOKUSHIN PEEP WERE LOSING HAPPEND PREVIOUSLY TO THIS AFTER THE FIRST FIGHT THEY ADAPTED FOR THIS TIME.....MAS OYAMA ALWAYS BEliefed in diversity take what is good from other martial arts and apply it to real fighting dont be close minded...kyokushin is about adapting
Show me some real tai chi. Just one clip. This vid isn't fake. Master Sawai is seated to the left watching. Master Sawai trained directly under Master Wang Xian Zhaï. This is not kyokushin promotion. This is filmed at the Taikiken honbu. Kyokushin and Taikiken have trained together for along time. Oyama and Sawai were good friends. Sounds like your the one who has been fooled by Chinese CINEMA.
Taikiken is Yiquan. Therefore it is from China. Japanese Yiquan doesn't vary very much from Chinese Yiquan. Although it has been in Japan long enough for some very good Japanese teachers independent from the Chinese ones.
This has already been established, so why bother making a comment based on something YOU THINK rather than a fact that is already out there?
This video has been edited. I saw a raw one where the Taikiken guys are equally beating the Kyokushin performes. I am a Kyokushin Karate practitioner myself, but can't accept to see cheap propaganda where a few lucky shots want to make people believe that Kyokushin is "the ultimate" martial art. By watching the other set of videos (check "Taikiken vs Kyokushin")I got the feeling that the Taikiken people were a bit better.
BTW agree completely with stellardancer's comment: the unedited version tells a different story, as always with these Japanese exhibition fights (and I have to say, it would be the same and often is with Chinese exhibition fights!).
I already saw the taikiken kyokushin fights , and it is true that the taikiken people did better in there , i am amazed and sincerely congratulate the taikiken people , but i don't see this video as "Cheap Propaganda" , in here the kyokushin guy simply did better as the taikiken people did it on the other videos .
I'm an Ashihara karate practicioner but still got lot's of respect for kyokushin , it impressed me to see taiken people winning but that doesn't mean they are the ultimate martial art and is the same in this video , kyokushin wins but that doesn't make them the strongest so that quote of yours is out of place and there are no such thing as lucky shots you practice hard and repeat a movement hundreds of times , if it hits i assure you is no "lucky Shot".
This video has been edited. I saw a raw one where the Taikiken guys are equally beating the Kyokushin performes. I am a Kyokushin Karate practitioner myself, but can't accept to see cheap propaganda where a few lucky shots want to make people believe that Kyokushin is "the ultimate" martial art. By watching the other set of videos (check "Taikiken vs Kyokushin")I got the feeling that the Taikiken people were a bit better.
This video has been edited. I saw a raw one where the Taikiken guys are equally beating the Kyokushin performes. I am a Kyokushin Karate practitioner myself, but can't accept to see cheap propaganda where a few lucky shots want to make people believe that Kyokushin is "the ultimate" martial art. By watching the other set of videos (check "Taikiken vs Kyokushin")I got the feeling that the Taikiken people were a bit better.
Taikkiken is Japanese Yiquan. There is also a strong historical link between Kyokusshin and Taikkiken. What matters is the man, not the style... Benefits exist in every style, in my view.
Taiki supposedly has no forms - meditation training while on standing stances. Just practicing such cannot make one become a fighter-just see the video
Its good only for any martial artist who has good standard training only. People just learn Takiken and thought they could fight are sadly mistaken
That's not tai chi at all. It's Taiki , and one of the old dude shown in the video is the creator of Taiki and hes japanese. So no , taikiken is as much kung fu as Karate is in that both of them had some roots in China but they are japanese martial arts.
Takiken is a Japanese off shoot of Yiquan. I guess that makes it a kind of kungfu but that's like saying Karate is a kind of kungfu which ironically it is. :p
Wang Shu Jin (Bagua) demo in Japan challenged by Judo and Karatekas and promptly defeated all of them. Not to say Kungfu is better but this video certainly do no justice to real kungfu.
Fua Yin Chia (Chin Woo) was poisoned by Japanese because no Japanese fighters could match him. Wang Pei Sheng (Yang Taichi) single handedly defeated 3 top Japanese Shorinji Karate..
@Hardrockker1 if they allow punch to the face in kyokushin....a lot of people would get badly hurt due to the fact kyokushin utilize bare knuckle punches.
Spikiera 2 weeks ago
パワーと身体能力と経験のあるやつが強い。それだけだろ。
アリスターオーフレイム見てれば、素人の俺でもそんくらい分かるぞ。
極真だとか大氣だとか、どっちでもいいんじゃないの。
narusekaoru123 4 months ago
極真空手の館長らしいが全然「一撃必殺」じゃねーじゃん
嘘ばっかこいて練習生を募集すんじゃねーよ
ヘボ極真めっ
hatabowist 4 months ago
琉球空手からしてみたら、極真カラテなんて空手じゃないよ
nyahhaaa 4 months ago
まぁ、俺に言わせりゃ極真は「空手道精神」がないからな。
『相手を殴る』というのは当初の空手の目的から外れていっている気がする…。
MrINVINCIBLE786 4 months ago
テレビ局の編集が酷い・・・
yositarouyo 4 months ago
これは編集して極真が勝っている様に見せている。
実際には大気が押していた。
nrhktkn 5 months ago
叫跳舞的來跟極真的打.找截拳的來打ㄚ~
19726143 5 months ago
極真つえ～なあ
shuniran 5 months ago
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taikiken vs kyokusinね・・・顔面入ればそりゃ～しょうがないら、ルール違うし
kaicat100 6 months ago
おーけん？
orengepepper 6 months ago
極真の人達でかいしパワーあるから圧勝ですね
chris8080825 6 months ago
これ体重差があるんじゃない？空手の方はエースばかり出てますよね。
rasii111 7 months ago
@rasii111
エース出してきてるのわかっててエースじゃないので向かえ打つのもどうかと思う
gakuseilife 6 months ago
@gakuseilife
「やらない」って言うファイターはファイターではない。
あからさまに勝つ選手用意してきて、「やろう」ってのもどうかと思う。
rasii111 6 months ago
@rasii111
ファイターではないでしょうね
武道家ですからね
あからさまなのわかってて受けて立つのもどうかと思う
gakuseilife 6 months ago
@gakuseilife
？？話ができないなら絡まないでほしい・・・
rasii111 6 months ago
@rasii111
??意味がわからないのですか
gakuseilife 6 months ago
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hyuhyuhyugugugu 7 months ago
A karate black belt against kung fu novices, that's a really great training.
talissin 8 months ago
極真は昔から勝てそうな相手としか出稽古しないからね。
松濤館流と剛柔流には遊びにきてくれないのです。
lalupa777 9 months ago
@lalupa777
負けたら商売にならんでしょう。
bit0213 7 months ago
Full contact really, really,REALLY HURTS.But you get a painfully clear picture of how good or bad you really are.
TheDano1947 9 months ago
極真全勝... ...
Robinorz 10 months ago
This ｖｉｄｅｏ ｉｓ，
Kyokusin ｋａｒａｔｅ ｓｔｕｄｅｎｔｓ ｗｅｎｔ ｔｏ ｏｔｈｅｒ ｓｃｈｏｏｌ ｔｏ ｆｉｇｈｔ ｉｎ ８０’ｓ．
That ｔｉｍｅ，ｔｈｅｒｅ ｗａｓ ｎｏ UFC ａｓ ｙｏｕ ｋｎｏｗ．So ｔｈｉｓ ｅｖｅｎｔ ｗａｓ ｋｉｎｄ ｏｆ ｓｅｎｓａｔｉｏｎａｌ．
tonytheabc 11 months ago 3
alright, what the fuck is this?
s05175 11 months ago
島田さんが怪物だったんだ。後の人達はまあまあでしょう。
T73Palin 1 year ago
My critique of the "taikiken" guys. First of all these guys probably don't practice fighting full contact much. If you look at their practice they do a lot of unified body movements. Problem with that is when you're too unified you lose mobility. Once they get bent out of shape cuz of pressure they lose their structure and then become fish out of water. The key to using taikiken or yichuan is to only activate the unified body method when the time is appropriate to fuel your other techniques
bab4 1 year ago
okay, this vid is filled with fabrications. If you've seen a lot of other kyokushin vs taikiken vids, you see that most of the times, kyokushin fighters are losing because they just can't block those attacks to the face(eyes, nose, etc). How much kyokushin loves to fabricate... including those "legendary" stories of ooyama.
Nonojr2 1 year ago
@Nonojr2 ...because it's impossible for one set of Taikiken guys, ever, to be less skilled or less on their game than one set of Kyokushin guys? Get real! Any sufficiently large set of videos with one style vs. another will have victories by proponents of both.
ooogooman 1 year ago
@ooogooman i was just talking about these sets of videos between taikiken and kyokushin students... because when I saw the full videos on 2525, most of the matches were won by taikiken students, yet in this commentary... yeah, making it seem like the kyokushin "fighters" were really kicking their asses with their stomach drumming skills
Nonojr2 1 year ago
@Nonojr2 Let's survey the 'Related Videos' section, shall we? First, Taikiken vs. Kyokushin 1. The first fight is fairly even: both score a knockdown each which is quickly recovered from. The Kyokushin fighter seems to land the harder hits while the TKK fighter lands more. The second fight in that clip begins with a flurry of punches and ends with the Kyokushin fighter clinching and taking down to a pin (!), though he does sustain a bloody nose. The next fight is poor and tentative...
ooogooman 1 year ago
@Nonojr2 ...on the part of both fighters, though the Taikiken guy does win fairly clearly. The last fight is just a lot of inconsequential flurrying wherein the terrible video quality makes it impossible to tell who's better. On to 'Taikiken vs. Kyokushin 2'. Good throw into pin by the TKK guy to open, but from that point on he proves himself unable to capitalize.'Taikiken vs. Kyokushin 3' features more of the same- both pretty terrible, TKK outclinches KK, KK outstrikes TKK.
ooogooman 1 year ago
@ooogooman All in all: This is hardly an impressive, dominating record on the part of EITHER style, and clearly not top guys on the part of either style. Find me two or three vids with the TKK guys winning cleanly and I'll reconsider my position, but right now both are looking like roughly equivilent styles to me.
ooogooman 1 year ago
bunch of loosers
motorcyclespec 1 year ago
Поэтому китайцы японцам и проиграли когда те их окупировали
bekrbcmail 1 year ago
I'm not Japanese. I'm a white, American servicemember stationed in Yokosuka, Japan.
Muraku666 1 year ago
I am a chinese, I can tell you all that it is not tai chi at all!
私は中国から、私はこれが太極拳されていないと言うことができる
s05175 1 year ago
@s05175 You are right, fool. Taikiken is a japanes martia art. Why are you writing in Japanese? Doshita no?
Muraku666 1 year ago
極真?收皮la!
s05175 1 year ago
最初は太氣拳カッコワル、と思っていたが下のコメントnice!
メディアは政治思想がらみは汚ねーと思ってたがまさかここまでやるとは。
太氣拳さんごめんなさい
youtube.com/watch?v=IkC35VbWGvw
kodatai 1 year ago
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kodatai 1 year ago
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どうして在日韓国人崔マス達氏が作った
道場に日本のお方行きますかね？？
大山配達＝韓国人１世！！！
。。。わかる？
machodoggman 1 year ago
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どうして在日韓国人崔マス達氏が作った
道場に日本のお方行きますかね？？
大山配達＝韓国人１世！！！
。。。わかる？
machodoggman 1 year ago
taikiken??? wtf is that, more crap invented by the dumb jap ppl
tranglomango 1 year ago
.@tranglomango Watch your fucking mouth. Most Japanese children are far smarter than your country bumpkn ass.
Muraku666 1 year ago
@Muraku666 fuck u satanic jap...keep worshiping satan he loves japanese ass
tranglomango 1 year ago
great stuff respect to the men who participated OSU.
THEpillows100 1 year ago
You can see that these Taikiken guys have no experience at all in full contact fighting. But that does not mean that Taikiken is worthless.
paragate 1 year ago
@paragate dude taikiken does not even exist...I only know tai chi chuan and it has nothing to do with this
tranglomango 1 year ago
@tranglomango Taikiken origins is Yiquan of Master Wang's lineage who taught Master Sawai (his only foriegn student). Kenichi Sawai returned to Japan and founded Taikiken which is loosely a Japanese translation for Yiquan.
aldridge1 1 year ago
@tranglomango It is a japanese art, dude. It isn't Tai Chi Quan. The English name is "Ki Boxing".
Muraku666 1 year ago
極真好勁架!! 極真講求實戰技巧, 太氣拳只係強身健體ge運動, 兩回事黎! 但是最重要都係depend on什麼人身上 明唔明我講咩?
WPSing 1 year ago
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you know chinese TAI JI ???
chineseMIAO 1 year ago
russian sambo best
LifterAndy 1 year ago
太氣不是太極差很多....
ppp636 1 year ago
is it the kancho mastui at his prime?
thanadap 1 year ago
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psbc1245 1 year ago
松井館長つよ！
kaikai19ta 1 year ago
太極拳の創始者は日本人ではございません。中国人です。ちなみに、あついたち弱すぎるね。
seieiryu 1 year ago
great video !
Sprungformationen 1 year ago
guath7さんへ質問 ケンカの時 大気拳は話にならないくらい弱いとは
あなた自身が弱いのと違いますか？
ケンカでの強さとは 打たれ強いとかでなく 一瞬にアドレナリン放出で
戦闘モードに持っていけることでしょう。 肝臓障害に気をつけてくださいね。
nitirennga1 1 year ago
太氣拳と極真両方の黒帯を持ってるものです。例えば、喧嘩の時、太氣拳ははっきり言って話にならない位弱いです。極真は強い！鍛え方が違います。極真をやると恐怖感は消えますが、太氣拳とか少林寺は駄目です。まず、稽古の時痛さがないと駄目！太氣拳や少林寺は痛みを感じなかった。極真は痛くて地獄です。
guath7 1 year ago
極真が優勢な試合だけを編集してるところがワロスｗｗｗ
kamadouma5621 1 year ago
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本当だ taikiken vs kyokusin でカット無しの動画を
見たら これは 極真が勝っているよう編集したウソッコだ
ＴＶ局は 極真からいくらもらったんだよ これは チョウニチかウジ テレビか それともＴＢＳトンマ放送か
nitirennga1 1 year ago
The funniest thing is,
When these matches are held by Chinese the kung-fu users always win.
When these matches are held by Japanese, the karate guys always win.
Nationalism, anyone?
tep2005 1 year ago 2
@tep2005
maxma3 1 year ago
taikiken vs kyokusin で検索して他の長い動画を観て下さい
いかに 映像を編集して 極真側が強いように作っているか分かります 沢井師の弟子達 の強さを自分の目で判断してください。 極真と テレビ局の悪意を感じるでしょう
sayuriko12 1 year ago 22
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@sayuriko12
sayuriko12殿のアドバイス通り、拝見しました。
仰る通り、極真側が強いように編集されています。
私は７年極真をやってましたが、自分達が強く見えるように宣伝するのは上手だと思いましたよ（内部の腐敗度合に嫌気がさして、退会しましたが）。
確かに極真は有名無実な詐欺師の集まりですが、武道としてよりも商売（営業）としてはなかなか見事なビジネスモデルが出来上がっています。
格闘家よりも、会社経営者の方々の方が、見習うべき点の多い団体でしょう。
psbc1245 1 year ago
太気券じゃなくて大変危険になってますね・・・・って・・。
吹いた・・。
mactuna 1 year ago
very nice, my respect to these fighters. Very few will strike with the rules these guys adhere to. Very impressive.
shotokanpro 1 year ago
Its ashame! i think he should on some better opponent instead some beginner like these.
fjinnw 1 year ago
@fjinnw These are the leading "taikiken" practitioners.
Muraku666 1 year ago
Is this kyokyshin vs hsing i or tai ki ken?
rebkhai 1 year ago
@rebkhai
Appears to be vs Yi quan (Tai ki ken). That's not xing yi
Aheyne 1 year ago
Osu. They need to block more. It doesn't seem like they fight alot like in Karate.
rebkhai 1 year ago
大山倍达承认过败果一次就是败于香港的陈氏老人后来大山倍达回忆这个老人：他站在我面前，我完全感受不到他的气息我每次用力，他都能巧妙化解虽然我不是真的输给了他，但是他的技巧使我相信，只要他拥有我一半的力量，我就会输了
WOWOVVOWO 2 years ago
節省一點吧,
推手和實幹根本是兩碼子的事,
極真空手平日練習拳拳到肉,太極沒可能跟到那節奏,
當沙包也未夠資格,半點抗打訓練都未有...
zus08 1 year ago
太気拳苦戦してるように編集してあるんだよ。
田代まさし、刑務所もどれ！！
mezameyokokumin 2 years ago
vaya que paliza, es kyokushin vs que?
EstilosMarciales 2 years ago
@EstilosMarciales
"Yi Quan" also known in Japan as "Taikiken"
Aheyne 1 year ago
松井館長が苦戦してるね
どうみても
spiritualism8 2 years ago
子供と大人の戦いでしょ
松井さんとは、相手が悪すぎるよ・・・
sugoize9999 2 years ago
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1prodan1 2 years ago
太氣拳是日本的武術嗎?
怎好像沒聽過
t1123425 2 years ago
@t1123425
太極拳=日本人稱呼的大氣拳!!!
ggbb200 2 years ago
大氣拳明明是日本人稱呼的意拳 =.=
f86888 2 years ago
極真の方強いですね。
area8246 2 years ago
これは編集されているね。
本とは全然違っていたんだけど。
nrhktkn 2 years ago
組み手になると型もめちゃくちゃになって ただの殴り合いに見えるのが多いけど、綺麗な型になってる
suzufx 2 years ago
I've always been impressed with the Kyokushin fighters, and my instructor worked out with some of the Taikiken guys in Japan and said they were all aggressive and tough. It is interesting to see how different they look considering the amount of cross training that was supposed to have existed between the two groups in Japan.
1uc3n7 2 years ago
oh gosh, taichi jokers...
logpos 2 years ago
館長のビデオをもっとアップお願いします。
neyagawa55 2 years ago
OSU!
Good stuff. The fact that people outside of the FULL CONTACT Arts express obscene opinions makes me laugh. No one who has not trained and experienced Full Contact has the right to critique either of these styles. OSU to the Taikiken and Muay Thai who stand toe to toe with us in Full Contact. This isn't points were after. It's reality!
KyokushinBrawler 2 years ago 6
@KyokushinBrawler thats short sighted considering that muy thai and taikiken arent the only full contact people out there. silat, mma, tae kwon do, boxing, closed door kung fu etc...i mean really, to say that these are the only styles that stand toe to toe? its obsurd, and possibly the arena of combat is set up so that these are the only styles that are represented in your kumite.
opticannon 1 year ago
@KyokushinBrawler : well, it is tougher than match-point tournaments, but it is not "reality", it is still a sport with rules to protect players from real injury.
malasangre 1 year ago
LOL pwned!
albusfr 3 years ago
1:26 HOLY SHIT
Milezy 3 years ago
さすが松井館長。きっちり顔面に対応してるよ。20代の頃だね。
最後から二人目は、増田さんぽいけど？
強い人はどんなルールにも対応できるんだね。
vikicoco 3 years ago
é o Kancho Matsui presidente da IKO ...
ele bate forte pra cacete ..
piruazul 3 years ago
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tjwrinsy 3 years ago
1:13 and 1:24, those were great kicks.
KempoMaster205 3 years ago
owned!
Raxqorz 3 years ago
太极 is Taiji this is 太气
rekcufeht 3 years ago
maybe 太气 is the japanese way of righting tai chi? cuz i aint ever heard of 太气
StL33T 3 years ago
nope. japanese writing uses chinese chracters. since taiji is of chinese origin, the writing would not be changed. therefore this is not taiji
rekcufeht 3 years ago
well is maybe the video poster just made a mistake? cuz i aint ever heard of 太氣
StL33T 3 years ago
i checked youtube and seems like there is actually an art called taikiken. its different from taichi. purely japanese art.
rekcufeht 3 years ago
taikiken is Chinese....maybe at some point this system produced good fighters but obviously whoever taught these guys had no fighting experience what so ever....to bad the y got swindled
timoxe 3 years ago
so i looked it up on google. and apparently it ias a japanese version of yiquan. therefore not really yiquan. if not the name would have been yi-ken instead.
anyway. just to clarify its a sino-japanese art. and has nothing to do with chinese Tai Ji
rekcufeht 3 years ago
taikiken doesnt even sound chinese.
StL33T 3 years ago
This system is modified from Yi Quan....so yeah it is a Chinese system....
timoxe 3 years ago
as you said, it was modified. just because it was originally a chinese system it doesnt mean that after being modified it's still chinese. All martial arts (oriental ones at least) come from the Shaolin temple of china. after many modifications one of the arts that came out of these shaolin styles were karate. so are you saying karate is also chinese?
StL33T 3 years ago
C'mon man your telling me that all Kung Fu systems have their beginning in Shaolin....you dont want to start that debate brother....but I will tell you this...the truth is more like most systems found their way into Shaolin....Shaolin is only a collection of systems from what I know but I would like to research it some more.
timoxe 3 years ago
ummm, no. The styles of Shaolin came from an indian monk. It was there that the STYLES of shaolin was refined and further developed. Many of the styles/systems then spreaded out and became their own discipline. but China is a huge country, so it would be inaccurate to say that ALL kung fu styles STARTED from shaolin (althought MANY MANY did) but what did happen for sure was that the shaolin style had INFLUENCE on all the styles.
StL33T 3 years ago
most of the current shaolin systems are the result of later contributions made by diverse martial artists who went to shaolin to refine what they knew by mixing it with spiritual and energetic practices. Most of what Bodhidharma brought from India where exercises for health and spiritual development. Look at the ancient Indian styles of MA and you'll see the difference
anikaire 2 years ago
The association of Bodhidharma with martial arts only becomes widespread as a result of the 19041907 serialization of the novel The Travels of Lao Ts'an in Illustrated Fiction Magazine. Huiguang and Sengchou were expert in the martial arts before they became two of the very first Shaolin monks—years before the arrival of Bodhidharma.[53] The Taishō Tripiṭaka documents Sengchou's skill with the tin staff.
Martial arts were documented IN shaolin b4 damo came.
anhkhoinguyen 2 years ago
As for the "Yi Jin Jing" (Muscle Change Classic), a spurious text attributed to Bodhidharma and included in the legend of his transmitting martial arts at the temple, it was written in the Ming dynasty, in 1624, by the Daoist priest Zining of Mt. Tiantai, and falsely attributed to Bodhidharma. Forged prefaces, attributed to the Tang general Li Jing and the Southern Song general Niu Gao were written.
researchers at shaolin and western researchers call BS on damo story. just a myth.
anhkhoinguyen 2 years ago
Shaolin temple was last burned in the 1920s by warlords, n the monks fled only to return after the cultural revolution n the 1970-80s n by then only a few monk n books remained. goverment took control of all functions of shaolin n religous politics One thing they did was introduce wushu to shaolin and rebuild it as a tourist attraction And Damo was never mention as the father of kung fu only in novels and storys, was revised and introduced 2 shaolin as da father of kung fu -shaolin encycopedea-
anhkhoinguyen 2 years ago
(con't) ie. wing chun (from what i know) either started at the shaolin temple, or was a style heavily influenced by it. and wing chun practitioners/master have without a doubt influenced many other kung fu styles. so ultimately, those kung fu styles were influenced by shaolin. And every style that have adapted to Bruce Lee's philosophies and borrowed from Bruce Lee's style, that style is now influenced by Shaolin because Bruce Lee started off learning shaolin.
StL33T 3 years ago
Japanese language is modified from Chinese, does that mean Japanese = Chinese?
Something to think about, if you're still capable of doing that.
TiptheJester 3 years ago
Mr. Kenichi Sawai brought the art from China....for his students he was first generation....any students he taught are second generation....he died when??? So how is this system not a Chinese system if he is first generation from China???
timoxe 3 years ago
Rice was brought over to Japan from China. Rice was then made into a certain form, known as sushi. Would it be correct to say that sushi came from China?
Tai Chi is different in form and philosophy than Taikiken. Therefore, they are not the same.
TiptheJester 3 years ago
Let me put it to you this way....If I went to Shaolin Temple Henan and spent 10 years there and came back to the states renamed and slightly modified what I was taught....I would be considered a traitor for what I did....I'm not saying what Sawai did was wrong I'm just saying he never denied what he was doing was YiQuan....so if he never denied it....then guess what its YiQuan!!!!
timoxe 3 years ago
@TiptheJester
Er ... what? No way... some Japanese writing is descended from Chinese, but the the languages are completely different, with separate roots, not that it's relevant.
Grumblemarc 1 year ago
Master Kenichi Sawai is said to have trained yiquan directly under Master Wang Xian Zhaï. Sawai then founded taikiken. Mas Oyama spoke highly of Sawai's skills and they often trained together. These matches between Kyokushin and Taikiken are in keeping with the tradition established by Oyama and Sawai and occur often as they both believed in free exchange of ideas and technique. osu
aldridge1 3 years ago
Note to anyone watcing this. the words there are not the same for tai ji.even thought they cound the same. real tai chi is written with the same tai but the "ji" means extreme while the word used here is "chi" meaning ki.
rekcufeht 3 years ago
karate vs what???
atpforever1 3 years ago
This is Kyokushin vs Taikiken/taiki kenpo aka Mind boxing.
RydenLOW 3 years ago
太极拳是这样用的吗???
avac11110 3 years ago
太气拳和太极拳是两码事
dacheng 3 years ago
fuck !!!Japanese
yangwen1101010 3 years ago
those noobs against karate xD! wtf!
bersukcs 3 years ago
it all comes down to who has been to the gym! mixed combat do nt require skill at all
UKchinaman 3 years ago
Mustle does not make you fight better.. Training, and dedication can make you able to defend yourself, and your loved ones. Know what your talking about before you type anything..
faithful9er 3 years ago
so if a martial arts who is a competent at every martial art there is and picks a fight with a full grown gorilla, have a guess who is going to win... and anyway this is a Japanese video, think about it!
UKchinaman 3 years ago
its not a Tai Chi.
russincleo 3 years ago
極真カラオケは特殊なマイクを使用します！
だから強い！！
mezameyokokumin 3 years ago
大氣拳が負けたからといって否定する必要はないんだけど、実践なれしていないね。
極真の選手に負けるんだから。
ちなみに、澤井先生のあばらを折ったのは、芦原英幸でした。しかし、芦原は大氣拳を否定していない。
bodycare6666 3 years ago
noobs
sportsgaming 3 years ago
In the 1`st video taikiken guys did pretty well, this one looks like a set up to be honest x)
JIAKEP 3 years ago
2idiot
sohai952944 3 years ago
These guys are brave
hatepoofly02 3 years ago
Tekkiken is not Taichi. It was an adption of Chinese Yiquan but somehow the internal force training is greatly replaced by external exercise. I don't see yiquan or taichi fighting strategy is used here at all. What I saw in the Tekkiken guy is mere empty shell trying to mimic the form of taichi.
hiucf 3 years ago
1:22 was the high light of this vid!
nice jump kick!
michinco 3 years ago
I dont think it was an equal match, the gi wearing dude was obviously more stable, faster and hit harder. I dont think this is very representative a match between styles.
JianChuanTaiChi 4 years ago
Well.. the kyokushin fighters are very good, in fact, the first one is the actual boss of one of the kyokushin organizations. But I think that there's no real match between styles, it always depends on the practicioner... Any person could be a good fighter practicing one of the various "full contact" martial arts.
Cuajinays 3 years ago
UR ALL RETARDED THE OTHER FIGHT U SAW WHERE THE KYOKUSHIN PEEP WERE LOSING HAPPEND PREVIOUSLY TO THIS AFTER THE FIRST FIGHT THEY ADAPTED FOR THIS TIME.....MAS OYAMA ALWAYS BEliefed in diversity take what is good from other martial arts and apply it to real fighting dont be close minded...kyokushin is about adapting
Shroomzz 4 years ago
そりゃ空手の方が強いでしょ
しかし、もう少し中国拳法を尊重して欲しいよな～
元々は中国から伝わって空手が出来ているし
daffunda2 4 years ago
すごいレベルの差があると思う。空手かたいきけんかっていう問題よりも、それぞれの武道の中でどっちのレベルの方が高いのかっていう問題だと思う。たいきけんの人たち、初心者に見えたし、ちょっと不公平な試合だと思った。
chavalote 4 years ago 3
どういうシチュエーションの稽古なんだろうか？
松井らしい組手だし、相手の顔面の攻撃にも「それなり」の対応がナチュラルにできている。
もっと上手い大気の選手を出さなきゃ、松井君も困っちゃってんじゃないの？
speedbox569 4 years ago
wow the taikiken guy is taking a serious beating
ShadowWarrior88 4 years ago
Sawai great master but bad teacher
agutinoff 4 years ago
anyone knows who was fighting from Kyokushin on this vid?
1.Matsui Shoukei,
2.Midori Kenji,
3.
4.
5.
anyone please tell me, if you know!
Thanks!
michinco 4 years ago
2- is not kenji midori this is kancho matsui too
3-i think that is keiji senpai.
4- tell me if u found out
5 the is no 5 .
ahmednabil 3 years ago
yeah, but the one with the blue long sleeve under the gi is Midori shihan!
anyway, do u do kyokushin as well?
michinco 3 years ago
actually im a follower , but officially im a kickboxer , thats because we dont have a kyokushin federation in egypt .
ahmednabil 3 years ago
2- is not kenji midori this is kancho matsui too
3-i think that is keiji senpai.
4- tell me if u found out
5 the is no 5 .
ahmednabil 3 years ago
lmao tat is no taichi at all, those taikikken guys looks more like dancing,u guys dun understand wat is real taichi, and befooled by tis japs vid
Yvesyew 4 years ago
Show me some real tai chi. Just one clip. This vid isn't fake. Master Sawai is seated to the left watching. Master Sawai trained directly under Master Wang Xian Zhaï. This is not kyokushin promotion. This is filmed at the Taikiken honbu. Kyokushin and Taikiken have trained together for along time. Oyama and Sawai were good friends. Sounds like your the one who has been fooled by Chinese CINEMA.
aldridge1 3 years ago
It is great to see Taikiken's fight here. As a Yiquan practitioner, I knew that Taikiken has a close link to Yiquan's founder.
Hope to see more about Taikiken growth in the future.
k0p7185 4 years ago
i offer my salute to adolfo and stellardancer who have a big heart..
cause every martial art have it's own weaknesses, that's why we have to improve ourself more and more
...BRAVO....
Henkywijaya 4 years ago
this is not Taichi<---from china
this is Taiqi<---from japan
waifat 4 years ago
>this is not Taichi<---from china
this is Taiqi<---from japan
Taikiken is Yiquan. Therefore it is from China. Japanese Yiquan doesn't vary very much from Chinese Yiquan. Although it has been in Japan long enough for some very good Japanese teachers independent from the Chinese ones.
This has already been established, so why bother making a comment based on something YOU THINK rather than a fact that is already out there?
hrunting 4 years ago
Not a fair match at all..
crane762 4 years ago
This video has been edited. I saw a raw one where the Taikiken guys are equally beating the Kyokushin performes. I am a Kyokushin Karate practitioner myself, but can't accept to see cheap propaganda where a few lucky shots want to make people believe that Kyokushin is "the ultimate" martial art. By watching the other set of videos (check "Taikiken vs Kyokushin")I got the feeling that the Taikiken people were a bit better.
stellardancer 5 years ago
BTW agree completely with stellardancer's comment: the unedited version tells a different story, as always with these Japanese exhibition fights (and I have to say, it would be the same and often is with Chinese exhibition fights!).
hrunting 4 years ago
I already saw the taikiken kyokushin fights , and it is true that the taikiken people did better in there , i am amazed and sincerely congratulate the taikiken people , but i don't see this video as "Cheap Propaganda" , in here the kyokushin guy simply did better as the taikiken people did it on the other videos .
adolfo33 4 years ago
I'm an Ashihara karate practicioner but still got lot's of respect for kyokushin , it impressed me to see taiken people winning but that doesn't mean they are the ultimate martial art and is the same in this video , kyokushin wins but that doesn't make them the strongest so that quote of yours is out of place and there are no such thing as lucky shots you practice hard and repeat a movement hundreds of times , if it hits i assure you is no "lucky Shot".
adolfo33 4 years ago
This video has been edited. I saw a raw one where the Taikiken guys are equally beating the Kyokushin performes. I am a Kyokushin Karate practitioner myself, but can't accept to see cheap propaganda where a few lucky shots want to make people believe that Kyokushin is "the ultimate" martial art. By watching the other set of videos (check "Taikiken vs Kyokushin")I got the feeling that the Taikiken people were a bit better.
stellardancer 5 years ago
This video has been edited. I saw a raw one where the Taikiken guys are equally beating the Kyokushin performes. I am a Kyokushin Karate practitioner myself, but can't accept to see cheap propaganda where a few lucky shots want to make people believe that Kyokushin is "the ultimate" martial art. By watching the other set of videos (check "Taikiken vs Kyokushin")I got the feeling that the Taikiken people were a bit better.
stellardancer 5 years ago
Taikkiken is Japanese Yiquan. There is also a strong historical link between Kyokusshin and Taikkiken. What matters is the man, not the style... Benefits exist in every style, in my view.
Ghostfuture 5 years ago
Taiki supposedly has no forms - meditation training while on standing stances. Just practicing such cannot make one become a fighter-just see the video
Its good only for any martial artist who has good standard training only. People just learn Takiken and thought they could fight are sadly mistaken
nwyc 5 years ago
ITS NOT TRUE TAICHI(pronouncation of Chinese)
There are many films about FAKE(or weak) Chinese KungFu master are defeated by KARATE
a wushu-well known person knows KARATE is another form
of Chinese Kung-Fu , and Japanese made it local and become a great WU-SHU(In Chinese it equals to martial)
kiofrenzy 5 years ago
That's not tai chi at all. It's Taiki , and one of the old dude shown in the video is the creator of Taiki and hes japanese. So no , taikiken is as much kung fu as Karate is in that both of them had some roots in China but they are japanese martial arts.
ShunKusanagi 5 years ago
Takiken is a Japanese off shoot of Yiquan. I guess that makes it a kind of kungfu but that's like saying Karate is a kind of kungfu which ironically it is. :p
sahngwoo 5 years ago
Wang Shu Jin (Bagua) demo in Japan challenged by Judo and Karatekas and promptly defeated all of them. Not to say Kungfu is better but this video certainly do no justice to real kungfu.
hiucf 5 years ago
Fua Yin Chia (Chin Woo) was poisoned by Japanese because no Japanese fighters could match him. Wang Pei Sheng (Yang Taichi) single handedly defeated 3 top Japanese Shorinji Karate..
hiucf 5 years ago