Nice work you are doing, but if I want to plug the HHO hose to a car with AC , is the air from the intake going to the engine and the AC fans too ? how do I prevent HHO from going into the passengers fans,?
Zero, please correct me if I am wrong. A friend and I have been dabbling with a HHO generator we have made so we're very interested in it. My question is: If the HHO gas converts back to its liquid state after it burns, would it actually hurt your vehicle because your cylinder walls would get water on this, making it rust from the inside? Thank you for your time.
A gas or exhaust. But, in the video with the gentleman that made the H20 Torch he showed that when the gas is finished combusting it turned right back into water. This is all new to me and I haven't been able to make a cell yet that can produce enough gas to test with. I also have another couple of questions: I have two 12"x24" copper sheets for making my new cell, would 48 4"x6" in a row work better than 12 6"x8" in a row?
Okay. I think it's got to work like the PCV system. You'll have to tee it off with check valves, so that at idle you have a feed to the front of the TB, and at WOT, you have a feed that goes to the air cleaner box and have some kind of check valves that close off the TB feed, and opens the air cleaner box feed at WOT, and vice versa. Make sense?
Except that if you connect it to a vacuum line, the HHO will never flow to the air cleaner. And, as my experiments have revealed, vacuum does not increase static gas production. Period.
Put it where you want but I am putting it to the air intake from now on.
I also have a 1983 Celica GT with a supercharger on it, and have built MegaSquirt ECU, which will control up to 6 different kinds of fuels. I'm wondering how to set up an HHO system to work with 10lbs of boost.
Not sure about this. I wouldn't inject into the pressurized side of the air stream as it will push back against any check valves. I wouldn't be comfortable injecting before the super charger either. I'b be worried about setting off the HHO as it's being compressed with the air. Probably best to leave the Celica as is.
Love the work you've been doing!! Now for us guys with the older carbureted cars, will you be getting into a system that works with those as well? I'd love to run my 1972 Coupe DeVille, and 72 Cutlass Convertible on HHO. I was thinking that an IMPCO carb may be necessary, but I'm just learning about all of this stuff, and am new to the game still.
Okay, thanks! I am buying a 1982 Cellica here very soon, and it's a base model 22R with carb. I'll be using that car as my first for experimenting with. You're correct about the supercharger too. It's a roots style, and they generate large amounts of heat in the intake runners and combustion chambers, so it's gonna be a tough one!
Seems to me that MORE HHO must be produced, and PRESSURISED into a small tank, to even out the vacuum fluctuations under power on & off conditions. This is normal in a petrol engine, but the difference is, that with fuel injection, a constant fuel pressure of 36 psi (thereabouts) is maintained in the fuel rails. Unused fuel is returned to the tank. Something like this must be devised; a reserve of HHO flow for heavy demand situations. --- Keep trucking Mr ZFF.
Video of the test is converting now to avi for editing in movie maker. It's very slow to export 3g2 to avi from Quicktime Pro. I'll crunch the numbers once I can review the results. But at first glance, it doesn't look good. :-(
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rebelliouseoagj 1 year ago
Wow whee
mstaff657 2 years ago
Nice work you are doing, but if I want to plug the HHO hose to a car with AC , is the air from the intake going to the engine and the AC fans too ? how do I prevent HHO from going into the passengers fans,?
facb1202 3 years ago
The AC will not affect your HHO injection at all.
BTW you will want to hook in up to a vacuum port on your intake manifold BEHIND the throttle body.
sodapop503 2 years ago
oohh i know! I know! water vapour!
jesslessthemess 4 years ago
Zero, please correct me if I am wrong. A friend and I have been dabbling with a HHO generator we have made so we're very interested in it. My question is: If the HHO gas converts back to its liquid state after it burns, would it actually hurt your vehicle because your cylinder walls would get water on this, making it rust from the inside? Thank you for your time.
guyern 4 years ago
Let me answer your question with a question. What is one of the predominant byproducts of conventional combusion?
ZeroFossilFuel 4 years ago
A gas or exhaust. But, in the video with the gentleman that made the H20 Torch he showed that when the gas is finished combusting it turned right back into water. This is all new to me and I haven't been able to make a cell yet that can produce enough gas to test with. I also have another couple of questions: I have two 12"x24" copper sheets for making my new cell, would 48 4"x6" in a row work better than 12 6"x8" in a row?
guyern 4 years ago
do not use copper. it will contaminate your cell. I think you should spens a week or two reading up befre you attempt a build.
ZeroFossilFuel 4 years ago
All very true. The intent of the bubbler is to protect the cell only. But I have found best eff at 2.3v/plate gap.
ZeroFossilFuel 4 years ago
Okay. I think it's got to work like the PCV system. You'll have to tee it off with check valves, so that at idle you have a feed to the front of the TB, and at WOT, you have a feed that goes to the air cleaner box and have some kind of check valves that close off the TB feed, and opens the air cleaner box feed at WOT, and vice versa. Make sense?
22RZE 4 years ago
Except that if you connect it to a vacuum line, the HHO will never flow to the air cleaner. And, as my experiments have revealed, vacuum does not increase static gas production. Period.
Put it where you want but I am putting it to the air intake from now on.
ZeroFossilFuel 4 years ago
I also have a 1983 Celica GT with a supercharger on it, and have built MegaSquirt ECU, which will control up to 6 different kinds of fuels. I'm wondering how to set up an HHO system to work with 10lbs of boost.
22RZE 4 years ago
Not sure about this. I wouldn't inject into the pressurized side of the air stream as it will push back against any check valves. I wouldn't be comfortable injecting before the super charger either. I'b be worried about setting off the HHO as it's being compressed with the air. Probably best to leave the Celica as is.
ZeroFossilFuel 4 years ago
Love the work you've been doing!! Now for us guys with the older carbureted cars, will you be getting into a system that works with those as well? I'd love to run my 1972 Coupe DeVille, and 72 Cutlass Convertible on HHO. I was thinking that an IMPCO carb may be necessary, but I'm just learning about all of this stuff, and am new to the game still.
22RZE 4 years ago
Carbeurated engines are no problem at all. Inject into the air horn at the air filter.
ZeroFossilFuel 4 years ago
Okay, thanks! I am buying a 1982 Cellica here very soon, and it's a base model 22R with carb. I'll be using that car as my first for experimenting with. You're correct about the supercharger too. It's a roots style, and they generate large amounts of heat in the intake runners and combustion chambers, so it's gonna be a tough one!
22RZE 4 years ago
Seems to me that MORE HHO must be produced, and PRESSURISED into a small tank, to even out the vacuum fluctuations under power on & off conditions. This is normal in a petrol engine, but the difference is, that with fuel injection, a constant fuel pressure of 36 psi (thereabouts) is maintained in the fuel rails. Unused fuel is returned to the tank. Something like this must be devised; a reserve of HHO flow for heavy demand situations. --- Keep trucking Mr ZFF.
viking1au 4 years ago
Have another brandy, sit back and reflect on how far you've come, then get back at it when you're ready. We're with you.
elkhornslough 4 years ago
It's OK if this test isn't up to expectations. You're blazing the way. Thank you for taking us along with you!
elkhornslough 4 years ago
The wait for a mass produced hydrogen internal combustion engine electric hybrid will be well worth it.
Love the videos,your good spirit reminds me of Karl Sagan's advice,
'Do something worthwhile'
brotherjupiter 4 years ago
good luck zff
december105 4 years ago
Video of the test is converting now to avi for editing in movie maker. It's very slow to export 3g2 to avi from Quicktime Pro. I'll crunch the numbers once I can review the results. But at first glance, it doesn't look good. :-(
ZeroFossilFuel 4 years ago