In my experience of Bishops & Vicars, they are neither 'nice' nor 'charming' but self-righteous & oily in the same manner as conmen & sleazy salesmen.
Personally I feel Dawkins is making a big assumption based on too little information. Sure, many extremists of various faiths act in an irrational & harmful manner. But so do desperate people. The question is how many people of faith acted in the extreme that had lives of disparity vs those that didn't but acted in the extreme regardless? Then compare it to the actions of atheists with similar lives. I think this & other research needs to be done before we can agree Dawkins' conclusion is fact.
@53dumey He's not attacking religion, he's challenging it. He has never threatened or been violent. He is making argument. If this is what you call "attacking" then what is it that religious people are doing when they try to oppress free thinking? You are trying to spin it so that it sounds like he's a bad person.
Religious people don't simply believe, they believe and teach others to believe, sometimes in horrible ways.
@N64isgreat what does militant atheism mean then? I've heard Dawkins calling for it. If that's not emulating the worst behaviour of one's perceived adversary, then I dunno what is
@myowngenesis Militant Atheism is exactly what it sounds like, it's being nearly aggressively challenging of a religion. I don't think Prof. Dawkins wants us to be aggressive but if he did say militant then he certainly would have meant it in a different way. He did say that there needs to be more pressure on religious people and more challenges made to religion as it needs to be expelled from society asap. Atheists won't indoctrinate kids or use terror or violence as religious people do
@N64isgreat It's the principle that counts. Dawkins is abhorred by the way religious people take away the choice for those who are not sure whether they want to believe or not. And yet what does he himself? You cannot fight absolutism with absolutism, it's hypocricy. Challenging and pressuring religious people who aren't on a have to convert everyone path is just idiocy. Challenge those Jehovas Witnesses and the Mormons, THEN we're talking payback. And not all religious ppl indoctrinate kids
@myowngenesis Sorry, what the hell does Dawkins do to take away peoples choice? All he does is show people whats wrong with religion - and they dont even have to listen. They'd be fools not to though. Certain levels of religious and superstitious people deserve what they deserve. As for passive religious/superstitious people, I still dont think its good to live in a society that allows grown adults to believe in such dangerous fairytale bullshit.
@N64isgreat alright then. If you're religious then your dumb, deluded and have no place in any serious debatte, is that what you and your idol Dawkins are trying to say? Then you and himshould take up a class on a course concerning interhuman relations. I'm a believer myself, and not ONCE have I looked down on you on this comment exchange because you're an atheist. Seemingly I cannot expect that same attitude from you to me since I'm deluded, I don't think for myself, I was made to believe, yes?
@myowngenesis You are assuming that I idolise Mr Dawkins and that I look down on you individually. Don't make these assumptions just to make yourself look like a better person.
Yes, if you believe in the big magical sky daddy then you are deluded and you would be considered insane if it wasn't so sociably normal to be religious. You may have been indoctrinated, I don't know. You may have chose to believe in it yourself after childhood. You tell me which.
@N64isgreat well, then there is no reason to prolong the debate. I have no intention of arguing whether how and which concerning anything by simply ignoring and refusing to acknowledge your presupposition that I am deluded because I believe in the sky daddy or whatever. When the starting point on your view on the adversary is a condensending one, then don't expect any serious debate with any believer, regardless of the level of fanaticism in question. I'm pretty liberal, but just as bad to you.
@myowngenesis I know that all religious people are deluded because delusion described the process of believing in something that is stupid and wrong. I dont expect a serious debate let alone a logical one most of the time but it's the only way to make a superstitious person think critically about their own faith, depending on how reliant or stupid they might be. I know that not all religious people are stupid but they are still wrong and opinions are not going to change that.
LMFAO, this guy using 9/11 as an example he's doing the same thing he claims religious people do, believing in something with no evidence, it's clear that there was no descent investigation into 9/11 and lots of visual proof of a demolition in almost all videos taken that day, you need months of preparation to get such a building down no proof religion involved. I agree that religion can be dangerous, to be clear it limits to false Christians, false Muslims, false Jews and don't forget Satanist!
Dead-to-the-spirit deluded "God Delusion" author & blithering fool scientist goon Richard Dawkins another "leader" given to the profane masses is another useful idiot for Jesuit machinations-C.O.
Jesuitical: pertaining to the Jesuits or their principals; designing; cunning; deceitful; prevaricating
The Jesuit Order completely altered the education system to suit their Evo-Hoax agenda to discredit the Bible. They cant have a Satanic society of 'Do as Thou Wilt' if people still follow the Bible
Dead-to-the-spirit deluded "God Delusion" author & blithering fool scientist goon Richard Dawkins another "leader" given to the profane masses is another useful idiot for Jesuit machinations-C.O.
Jesuitical: pertaining to the Jesuits or their principals; designing; cunning; deceitful; prevaricating
The Jesuit Order completely altered the education system to suit their Evo-Hoax agenda to discredit the Bible. They cant have a Satanic society of 'Do as Thou Wilt' if people still follow the Bible
We should have no qualm about scorning the self deluded, irrational, parasitic, cowardice religious. They deserve no respect, only ridicule, disdain, and contempt. Their ridicules beliefs are 1st century ignorance and fear at its worst. It is of the utmost importance for the health of civilization to eradicate the god virus and drag the indoctrinated feeble minded fools into the 21st century.
@53dumey So he's an extremist in anti-religion by making speeches and writing books? If that's what you call extremism then what do you call it when religious people use violence, terror, indoctrination and hate to force their stupid beliefs onto people?
Does Dawkins not see that to believe there is no God or no ultimate authority that some people might see this as an excuse to murder millions for a selfish cause ?
@53dumey you are grasping at atheist straws ' hitler was a believer in the supernatural ' he had his own astrologer for example . no atheist would believe such nonsense and no atheist has ever killed in the name of atheism as the word is a simple statement of non believe and not a political statement ..
Umm, no, it promotes science. Dawkins promotes the scientific method as the means of understanding our universe, and that is why he objects to religion, because it is just guessing. Dawkins does not advocate a totalitarian state that owns all businesses and pays all workers evenly. I don't know his political views, but he would probably object to Stalin's policies on the grounds that they are proved to be ineffective, even if you are the kind to think that Stalin meant well.
Oh, it's just my opinion? What a convincing argument. Nevermind that Stalin was a powerhungry tyrant, while Dawkins just goes around and gives speeches telling people to think rationally and to escape the tyranny of dogma. He has no self-political aims. Stalin drove out religion so that people would worship him. Dawkins isn't a megalomaniac like that, and neither are most atheists. Any more dumbass remarks?
Dawkins has never advocated anything close to what Stalin did. Dawkins is not a Communist. Dawkins only argues against religion because of its irrational nature that leads people to commit crimes in the name of a righteous cause.
Dawkins refers to Stalinism as a substitute for religion. He knows full well that it isn't actually one, nor does he condone it. You will find that he is a harsh critic of Stalin.
@53dumey It was more of an act of charisma or support rallying tool than propaganda. Even if it was propaganda, he still tried to use it as a way of justifying what he wanted to do and then obviously did. He was also christened, and christenings are how christianity decides how christian the population is. By that judgement, the church can categorise Hitler as a christian.
@53dumey whether or not Hitler was religious is not important, he claimed to be religious whenever it benefited him politically. The problem is that fact that he used it as a justification that people would have read and agreed with.
Also, wasn't he in prison when he wrote that book?
I think the problem with faith is that it doesn't have any reliable way to catch its own errors. If you take things on faith, and your faith leads you to decide, say, that you should torture Jews until they convert, then that same faith won't necessarily make you stop and say, wait a second, that's a horrible thing to do. That would be doubt, and doubt is the opposite of faith. The stronger your faith, the less likely you are to have doubts.
I don't see why Christians freak out so much about this guy. Big deal he wrote a book and he is a little condescending at times. Ignore him and get over it.
This is exactly wut I've been trying to tell my Christian friend!! Yet he disapproves any sensible logic that i try to give him and always has a defense for God n yet never notices that he himself is being contradictive!! It's so frustrating to deal wit a Brain Washed Religious Zombie!!!
@baysideful - Hmm, your channel is a bit stupid to be honest. Like a series of postcards with crappy music. If that proves anything, it is that there is no God!
@piginasack You obviously did not watch the vid. Before making a decision don't you want all the evidence? I would as would most scientists or others involved in believing the science Dawkins believes. You are cheating yourself to not hear both sides. Your opinion on my channel is not important. The science is.
I'm sorry i don't belive in Jesus.. my parents always tought me to belive and praise Horus, That he's our only savior. Accept Horus now or burn with seth in hell for eternity!
"He, who speaks without modesty, will find it hard to make his words good"
you should be respectable, humble and polite at all times. if you are rude to someone, the chances are they are going to cover their ears. you can criticize, argue and debate but by no means be rude because that gets you no where. if you genuinely believe you are correct and another is not, it does not mean you can then lower respect otherwise you will have an entire world of people with no respect.
I disagree, the reason why there are islamic extremists committing acts of terrorism is because they think that the west is has no respect for islam. When the Army kills innocent people to get rid of a couple terrorists they in turn create more terrorists.
@herndonboy13 These are King religions - God made in the image of a medieval king. subjects/slaves/servants kneel down in front of their king, shaking with fear, beg & grovel for mercy. This is no democracy, the king's word is law. U don't disagree with the king, the king says sun revloves around the earth, no evolution, the slave must agree. King says go Kill, the soldier will shoot - this is what we are seeing. u won't find a Hindu or Buddhist Terrorist for these are Teacher Faiths.
@herndonboy13 Not really - these religions have patterned their god in the image of their medieval king. There can be only one king - disloyal people "deserve" to be killed. Once a follower reduces himself to a loyal slave/servant/soldier of this king, he can be easily manipulated to kill in the name of his king. Remember when the general or king says shoot the soldier must obey. Religions that teach this blind obeidience make terrorists, which is why u won't find a Hindu or Buddhist terrorist
Why doesn't he make a distinction between the Muslim faith and bombing people in the name of Allah and Christians who help people all over the world. Half the truth is whole of a lie.
@rocksoli4 Maybe we should ask native americans & native mexicans & south americans & black slaves about how great christians were. The Buddha was lucky - he was born in Hindu India. If he had been born in the west or muslim lands, i doubt we would have Buddhism today.
Your religion has had a long history of killing people in the name of religion. Hitler was a symptom of the hatred that was passed down the generations.
@ramaraksha01 Lets bring it back to today mate. The atheist bankers who have destroyed half the worlds economies are the real terrorists. And we have to cough up to keep them in bonuses while we all struggle to even find a decent paying job. Now who are the slaves in this atheists paradise. Their motivation is greed and power and they think they will not have to stand before God to answer for their crimes. If you are right they have gotten away with it. So have the Muslim bombers.
@rocksoli4 Huh? Where did u get the info that all the bankers were atheists? That's easy bigotry talking. Easy cheap blame - that's the same kind of thinking that leads to terrorism & killings that u see in muslim lands.
BTW A Good Atheist is closer to God Rama than even a Good Hindu, so says this Hindu. Sorry, can't share in ur bigotry.
@ramaraksha01 It's not bigotry to observe what is happening in the world of economics and I admit not all bankers are atheists. But Jesus said that you will know a tree by the fruit it bears. The fruit of greed does not come from a true follower of Jesus. I conclude that greedy people know nothing of a loving God. You label me very quickly and thereby shoot yourself in the foot. Does easy cheap blame and bigotry ring any bells?
@rocksoli4 Well i am not a follower of jesus - am i supposed to be a bad person? We Hindus don't judge people by the religion they follow or the lack of it. Plenty of religious people have done awful things. The holocaust has been blamed on Hitler rightly but the bigotry against jews nurtured by the church thru the centuries should share the blame.
There are plenty of Atheists doing great things around the world. I am sorry i just did not take a liking to ur comment
@ramaraksha01 When you compare yourself to other men you will take pride in that you are not like the"bad ones". But because God is pure we impure people cannot mix with God or He will become impure. Therefore we need cleansing to even know God. Jesus came to earth in human form and rectified the situation.
@rocksoli4 All this talk of impurity sounds silly to me. then we are NOT the children of God? But that does match ur religion - God is like a King & we are his subjects/slaves. Get down on ur knees, shaking with fear, begging & groveling for mercy. This is no democracy, the king's word is law! Do not question the king. But this is how terrorism rises - brainwashed young men told to blindly obey "god" & go kill because that is what "god" asks them to do.
@ramaraksha01 His blood shed for all men is a covering for sin. Our sins are paid for for all time for all men ..what freedom that is. Death is separation from God and life. Sin is the disease that leads to death. Its not a case of who is bad or good according to our standards, if you have sinned you carry the disease in your being. We all need cleansing if we're really honest.
@rocksoli4 If a conman were to dupe elderly of their life savings & die:
christian: says sorry to god, begs & grovels for mercy. God let's him go to heaven? How nice for the criminal! Where's the compassion for the victim?These elderly might be now homeless & wo their medicines. They get hell while the criminal gets heaven?
Hindu: Even ASKING for forgiveness is WRONG! The Hindu STANDS Tall, head held high, comes back to repay the ones that he had robbed! that's the right way! Do the right thng
@ramaraksha01 Jesus is the way that leads to life He said "If you believe in me even though you die you shall live again. Jesus never lied. That'sa why I am his follower I trust every word he has spoken and my heart confirms the peace life and power he has given me. May you come to know your creator in a personal way.
@rocksoli4 Sorry just can't get my head around the notion that we live 70 odd yrs & then spend eternity being taken care of by a being. What was the point of life? 70 yrs compared to eternity is a blink of time, so life on earth was just a blink of an eyelash - meaningless, pointless. Oh yes god has nothing better do than feed & cloth billions till eternity just because u learnt to beg & grovel.
@ramaraksha01 The bible says Love your neighbour as yourself but the only true way to do that is not by being self aware but by being God conscious i.e. You/me were created for a purpose, to have a relationship with God the creator of all things when this is revealed to a person they are never the same. I love my wife and worship God because he made her for me. I love Him I want to sing about His love His beauty His strength. The bible says He inhabits the praise of his people
@rocksoli4 Nice talk & then if u don't love this god back suddenly he is now a saddam who will delight in torturing u for eternity! I don't know how anyone can be so evil to be tortured for eternity, that's a bit sadistic.
U said it God doesn't need ur praise - but that is what u will be doing in heaven? Don't u think it is a bit ridiculous that god has nothing better to do than feed & cloth billions for eternity?
Divide 80 odd yrs by eternity - how insignificant is that? contd.
@ramaraksha01 You have believed all the rhetoric about Christianity. It is our decision to choose life or not, Let us assume that God is real and He appeared to us humans in human form. He says I am the way that leads to life. If you believe in me even thou you die you shall live again, now anyone can claim that but if around the same time you perform miracles like healing a leper or making the blind to see again raise several people from the dead maybe just maybe He has got a pretty good claim
@rocksoli4 Jesus was good until he started doing miracles. God Rama did no miracles - he fought, he made mistakes but he was strong, he held on to truth, he held on to a truthful life no matter what the odds. We can't all be jesus, we can't all be magic men, but we can ALL follow in the footsteps of God Rama. No matter what the odds, fight for a better earth.
All I know is that u christians are one-and-done, after this u go to ur God's retirement home. Good luck with that.
@rocksoli4 WE are not Quitters, WE don't run away thru the backdoor. We plan to Stay, We Stand & Fight for a better earth. If Global warming is right, we Hindus will lead the fight to come out of it! Man will one day reach the stars & we Hindus promise to make it happen.
Gandhiji, Mother Teresa, Sardar Patel, MS, Bhagat Singh - all Earned Praise FROM God! Those are our ideals - all u can do is praise God. Just can't see God feeding & clothing billions for eternity.
@rocksoli4 So life for u is a pitstop, a blink of ur eye, meaningless. The vast majority of ur time is to be spent elsewhere. Does it make sense that this blink of time decides ur fate till eternity? Again logic shows that a lot of ur religion has been made up - by people living 2000 yrs ago.
For us Hindus, life is not a pitstop. This is our home, we die, we come right back - no heaven, & thank god no hell-no sadistic saddam like god torturing poor souls for the crime of getting his name wrong
@ramaraksha01 To love others and see them develop into stronger and better human beings is not meaningless. We can't all be Mother Teresa for God has made us all individuals with different talents and functions just like a body made up of many parts we all need to find out what that part is and develop it so that we are the best we can be.
@rocksoli4 reg the point about meaningless - i feel that 70 odd yrs compared to eternity is just a flicker of time, a blink of the eye. Besides if the majority of ur time is going to be spent being taken care of by god, what's the point of human life? Why even be born? No point to a blink of an eye.
For us, life is not pointless - we are born again & again! It is a chance for us to earn Praise FROM God!
@ramaraksha01 Jesus said The greatest is the one who serves meaning a king can serve his people ,it doesn't matter who you are or what position in life if we all serve one another what a world that would be,
@rocksoli4 I wouldn't use the word serve - that makes us a servant, a slave. that kind of mentality lead to terrorism - brainwashed young men blindly obeying orders from their "god".
What people need is a handup not a handout. A 1000 Bill Gates are better than a 1000 Mother Teresas. It is better to eliminate poverty & hopelessness than to put a bandaid on it.
@rocksoli4 We aim to EARN Praise FROM God! Gandhiji, Mother Teresa, MLK, Bhagat Singh, Sardar Patel - these people earned praise FROM God & the world is better for it. We don't want to sit in God's retirement home, we want to work. The earth faces a uncertain future, we don't want to run away, we aim to STAY, Stand & Fight for a better earth.
@ramaraksha01 Praise is our expression of the joy of life to the One who created it all....God doesn't need our praise or worship it is something that flows from a heart full of joy a bit like when you fall in love you want it to carry on forever it feels so good. That's exactly what its like when you know God
@rocksoli4 Hindus die, we come right back. If global warming is right & earth becomes a hell, we Hindus will be here fighting it. One day man will reach the stars & we Hindus promise to make it happen. Human history is not a lie, the sacrifices made by the likes of Gandhiji, Mother Teresa, MLK will not go in vain - there is a point to life & that's not learning to beg & grovel.
In Heaven all u can do is praise God, only on earth can u earn Praise FROM God!
@ramaraksha01 p.s. Thank you for saying sorry we all jump to conclusions when we don't really know the person to whom we are speaking to. If done the same thing myself. To recognise when we have judjed wrongly is a good thing and I commend you for it. May God bless you and your family.
Blowing up buildings or shooting people is only the "in your face" evil from religion. In Catholic corrupted countries like Belgium ruling, judging, giving out jobs (or not) and such are very much under their unfair control. They (climbers + Royals) demand respect that is not deserved at all. In Islamic countries it is just as bad.
I love Dawkins' ideas, they're so eloquently explained; BUT I just can't get the image out of my head here that he is the older version of Harry Potter. I keep waiting for him to spout off about Hogwart's or "witchery".
@aaronfromhastings nobody respects those things, thats the point, if nobody questioned right wing politics then they would be able to do anything, use your brain idiot.
@aaronfromhastings politics dont say that they should lock up all the republicans or democrats, religion almost ALWAYS says to kill those who dont beleive like you, so yes, it does enable extremism, or what i say, just being a normal christian or muslim, killing everyone who doesn't agree with your pathetic little beleifs, just like their books tell them to
@blazereef You're so full of bile yourself. And sorry but you're a bit thick too. Because you don't seem to realise that Athism is a religion. One which drives people like you to look down on your fellow man. What have I ever done to you?
It is men who use religion for evil means, just as they use politics for evil means. But then, you're an atheist, you probably don't believe in evil. Therefore you have no cause to complain. To an atheist., things just "are" with no meaning, no good, no evil
@eltonjohntribute atheism is not a religion, goddamn when will you stupid motherfuckers learn this, i look down on you people because you are the most ignorant people on the planet
@blazereef I don't know who you think you are, but Dawkins would not speak to me like that and it's probably well agreed that you're pretty ignorant compared to him, so all you can really do is get better... but only if you want to of course
@eltonjohntribute it doesn't need to prove it doesn't exist, you need to show that it does, atheism is not a positive claim, its a negative, you seem like the typical fallacy spewing religious nutjob with a severe lack of critical thinking skills
That's my point! A negative claim is just that! You cannot prove that something or someone does not exist without first showing all that does exist. And that has yet to be done, my friend, even by a genius like you.
I don't need to prove what I know! (Or how clever I am) Knowledge is not the same as an opinion. You only have the opinion that God isn't real. You can cast my knowledge aside because it doesn't suit your view but you can't reject it without properly considering it.
@eltonjohntribute you have given me not a single reason to beleive in a god, nor has anyone else, ever, in the thousands of years that people have been trying to prove god, they have literally not came out with even ONE piece of evidence, none, do you not understand basic logic
@blazereef Your eyes are open yet you refuse to see! God gave you those eyes, and everything you have seen in your life has been evidence presented for you. God has done more than enough to give you what you want.
Do you want it though? Do you want to have this knowledge or would you rather continue blindly? I am not interested in winning or losing this argument, my friend, only in helping you find the joyous peace that comes from knowledge of God. There is nothing like it. I hope you find it
@eltonjohntribute my eyes are open, its you that refuse to give me anything to look at. my eyes evolved, no one gave them to me but nature. i have never been given any evidence, none. continue blindly? i just asked for evidence and you say that its been given to me yet you dont tell me what it is, you know there is no evidence. i am not interested in peace, i am interested in what is true and has evidence, do you have any or not?
@blazereef Without a creator there would be nothing. Open your eyes. Do you see it all? Why is there all this rather than nothing? All this. All this is evidence. You ask for a miracle. A burning bush. God gives you the burning of ten million suns, and still you do not see! Only one things prevents you from seeing. Your own stubborness and the fear of One being above you..
@aaronfromhastings how do you know there would be nothing? what about your gods existence, how did your god get here? always being there is not an answer because i could just say the universe has always existed in some form. i dont know why there is something rather then nothing. a burning bush? baaaahhahahaha. no, i simply am not going to accept bullshit without evidence
@blazereef Read "A Brief History of Time" and you will see that it is impossible for the Universe to have "always" been here. You tell me how it came into existence. I think I've provided an awful lot of evidence of creation in the form of a universe!
@aaronfromhastings so, you are going to use a science book to say that science is wrong when it says that we evovled? pathetic. first off, it is talking about our universe, it could have split from another universe or it could be in a big bang/crunch sequence, no one knows but even if it did need a beggining, this doesn't prove that some god created it, it proves that it got here, it doesn't comment on how it got here. the universe is not evidence of god no matter how much you assert it is
Evolution is a theory. That's why it's called the "theory of evolution". It is not proved. It is a theory.
The big bang crunch etc does not get you any closer to the matter of how it all started. You are "standing turtles on the backs of turtles". God on the other hand is eternal and transcends time. That is how He is able to create time and matter.
@jinitron “Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth.” Sir Arthur Conan Doyle.
Proving that God does not exist would have quite a big effect, agreed?
Now as to your list (and your question is rather old hat) I don't need to prove any of those things, because proving them will have no effect on anything whatsoever.
To deny something which other people know, you have to have greater knowledge than they, not just lack their knowledge.
@blazereef And as for your defending "politics". You really are so badly educated. "Politics" is not resposible for anything. Nor is "religion". Any more than "values" are.
Shall we start with your "politics dont say we should lock up all..."
Here are some political ideologies (which must be what you mean) that said to lock up and/or kill quite a lot of people: fascism, communism, anti-communism / anti-socialism.
How many people were killed in the name of Christianity in the 20th C?
It is really easy to solve. Start loving everyone. It is as simple as that. The only reason you have extremism, regardless of whether it is Islamic or Christian or Hindu or anything else is because people feel disenfranchised from acceptance. They are not accepted. Love, accept everyone and you will have no extremism. There is no room for extremism when everyone is appreciated, loved, and provided an opportunity, the same equal opportunity for love that everyone else is provided. -The Wonders
It is really easy to solve. Start loving everyone. It is as simple as that. The only reason you have extremism, regardless of whether it is Islamic or Christian or Hindu or anything else is because people feel disenfranchised from acceptance. They are not accepted. Love, accept everyone and you will have no extremism. There is no room for extremism when everyone is appreciated, loved, and provided an opportunity, the same equal opportunity for love that everyone else is provided. -The Wonders
Gilmaris, you've worn me down with your sheer tediousness. Have it whatever precise, stultifying, tedious, nitpicking hairsplitting point-avoiding way you like.
As for "dogmatic atheists" - which I didn't even bring up - my experience is the exact opposite of yours. The most dogmatic atheists are those who grew up atheist, and are simply parroting their parents' views. These are no more rational than theists who simply parrot THEIR parents' views. Atheists who were once theists have at least experienced the other side of the fence. (cont.)
(cont.) Moreover, they have demonstrated a capacity for questioning their own beliefs. In some cases, though, the conversion is for all the wrong reasons, and in those cases they may well become dogmatic about their atheism.
LOL - you obviously don't KNOW anyone who grew up atheist. They are the most argumentative of households. Nothing is accepted without question.
Your very argument is mired in the religious mindset. Please try to understand: where an idea comes from is irrelevant to: authority is not respected unless it's the authority of demonstrated competence.
All my parents did was not bother.
Darwin could be a paedophile for all atheists care: Dawkins could be a heroin addict.
You are making things up. Show me a household where nothing is accepted without question, and I will show you complete and utter chaos. I've taught school children of all kinds, and atheist kids are just as blindly devoted to their parents' views as theist kids.
As for your tirade about where authority comes from: how is that relevant to anything I've said?
Richard Dawkins using the slippery slope fallacy. There is absolutely no reason to assume that accepting and tolerating that people have faith, without any evidence, should in any way lead to accepting and tolerating actions that defy culture and law based on such faith. Eugenics actually has science behind it, but that doesn't mean we accept or tolerate it. So Richard doesn't really know what he's talking about here, he only makes assumptions based on his bias against religion.
Eugenics had pseudoscience and a great deal of ungrounded speculation and wishful thinking behind it. It was in fact based far more on rationalising superstitious fear, prejudice and preserving a dominant social class than based on science.
The LANGUAGE of science was co-opted to provide a veneer for a repugnant, already-existing lobby. Scientific inquiry then debunked it. Religion, with its afterlife & authority-figure makes 9/11 and the current wave of suicide bombings possible.
Not just pdeudoscience: you can apply the exact same scientific principles of selective breeding to humans as you do with livestock. Whether eugenisists are theists or atheists is irrelevant, the point is you can be in favour of eugenics whether you are theist or atheist.
Also, religion is not what makes 9/11 and other suicide bombings possible. One does not cause the other, rather, they both have the same cause: human nature, which is social and dogmatic. You had suicide bombers among the atheist Vietcong as well. And the will to kill someone with bombs is certainly not something which is augmented by theism. Dogma, yes, but dogma can just as easily be atheistic.
Religion is the one thing that enabled 9/11 bombers to imagine that (a) they had a personal incentive to die and (b) that they would somehow live to get this reward and (c) that killing civilians was moral. (As a matter of fact, the Vietcong were by no means necessarily atheists. Many believed they'd be reincarnated. Do your homework.)
Religion facilitates suicide bombing, validates it and provides the prime motive for it.
Replace religion with dogma and I will agree with you. You absolutely do NOT need religion to (a) have a personal incentive to die (for a cause), (b) care about consequences that will only ensue after death and (c) that killing civilians is moral. Just look at the Communist Far East in recent history. Take your own advice and do YOUR homework.
And what made that wacky Communist fanaticism possible/ Do you really think people switched overnight from belief in god(s) to atheism? No, they filled the gap left by irrational faith in a Great Heavenly Father with irrational faith in...a Great Earthly Father. The operative word being "faith".
People literally worshipped Mao and Stalin and Ceaucescu. Literally. I don't need to get educated - I WENT to communist countries in '70s and again the day the Communists left, for a year.
Yes, FAITH. Which may or may not involve a belief in gods. Whether you have faith in what your religious leaders tell you, or if you have faith in what your secular leaders tell you, what is the difference? It's still blind obedience.
You even mention Ceaucescu, Mao and Stalin yourself, so you should know perfectly well that "God" is not required at any point of the equation.
It is religion - especially the dogma of the Abrahamic religons - that has given this pernicious meme "blind faith" its power by clothing it in respectablity.
It also bred in deference to "absolute" authority.
Before "God", it was not difficult for the average person to understand that believing something without any evidence whatsoever is foolish and irresponsible.
With "God", it became possible, normal, admirable!
China & Eastern Europe were primed by such superstition.
"God" has absolutely nothing to do with people believing things without evidence. Remember, "God" is a human invention, not the other way around. God is a RESULT of human thinking, not the cause of it. What you are claiming makes absolutely no sense whatsoever, because if you were right, "God" would never have been invented in the first place.
Stop scolding me for not being pedantic - it's a bore.
OK, to please you, I'll be pedantic. "The social construct "God" is what allows, indeed requires, the phenomenon of belief without evidence to be valorized."
So when you put "God" in quotes, you did not necessarily mean deities, but merely objects of worship? Then why are you pretending to disagree with me?
The only dogmatic "atheists" I've ever met were former religious people who still hadn't got rid of the religious mind-set. Religion taught them that believing dogma is not only acceptable but virtuous. Dogma just isn't possible except with a religious priming.
And don't tell me to do my homework "about" the recent past in communist countries I WAS THERE.
This "religious mindset" you are talking about is innate in every single person. It is an integral part of the learning process. Without it, you would dismiss absolutely everything, even language.
And again, it's not RELIGION that teaches that dogma is virtuous - EVERY dogma teaches this, or it isn't a dogma to begin with. Dogma is inherently intolerant, and demands obedience. Whether there is a belief in gods involved is purely cosmetic.
Without any religious indoctrination - without all the generations of chanting priests running the schools and pretending to heal people - "faith" is very easily seen for what it is: the abrogation of adult judgement, the shirking of personal responsibility, the abandonment of reason, the perverse adoption of wishful thinking, the denial of reality.
It's the very opposite of hope.
And ONLY religion can twist "blind faith" from something disgraceful into a virtue.
You claim you've "been there" as far as communist countries are concerned, but your arguments are all over the place. Now you try to tell me that without religious indoctrination, "faith is very easily seen for what it is", yet it WASN't in the very communist countries you profess to have visited. If by "religious" you simply mean "dogmatic", I would agree with you, but the supernatural aspects are purely cosmetic. All you need is charisma, symbolism and a common cause.
ARGGGH! Communist countries didn't turn atheist overnight!!!! MY POINT WAS THAT THEY WERE STEEPED IN RELIGIOSITY, and which was CONSCIOUSLY, DELIBERATELY CO-OPTED politically.
They did everything but publicly name themselves living gods.
No - the supernatural aspects were absolutely NOT cosmetic. It's futile explaining it to you. Your conversation consists entirely of tedious demands that people adhere to your preferred nuances of vocabulary and define their terms as you prefer
OK, so now you all heard it: muzzies find a septic tank and blow yourself up, be a good sport and do what you are told.
Tralgit 3 weeks ago
In my experience of Bishops & Vicars, they are neither 'nice' nor 'charming' but self-righteous & oily in the same manner as conmen & sleazy salesmen.
When tolerance is a one way street it is suicide.
freeman8128 3 weeks ago
When tolerance is a one way street it is suicide.
freeman8128 3 weeks ago
Dawkins has no power but given Power, would be no different than Stalin !!!
53dumey 1 month ago
@53dumey lol what? XD
N64isgreat 4 weeks ago
@53dumey Yes, I'm sure he would kill 20-30 million people immediately.
topperheartramada 4 weeks ago
@topperheartramada
We will never know, because he will never gain that power.
Thank God !!!
53dumey 3 weeks ago
@53dumey But I'm sure you agree he would do that though.
topperheartramada 3 weeks ago
Personally I feel Dawkins is making a big assumption based on too little information. Sure, many extremists of various faiths act in an irrational & harmful manner. But so do desperate people. The question is how many people of faith acted in the extreme that had lives of disparity vs those that didn't but acted in the extreme regardless? Then compare it to the actions of atheists with similar lives. I think this & other research needs to be done before we can agree Dawkins' conclusion is fact.
namayake 2 months ago
@studejimbakker
Stalin had a desire to Kill religion along with the Religious.
So, how can that be a Religion ???
Dawkins ideas are No better than what he attacks !!!
53dumey 2 months ago
@53dumey Prof. Dawkins' ideas are to believe in what is proven reality and to be good people. What is bad about that?
N64isgreat 1 month ago
@N64isgreat
If he was a good person he would'nt go around and attack Religion or Religous people, he simply would'nt believe !
There is a big difference .
53dumey 1 month ago
@53dumey He's not attacking religion, he's challenging it. He has never threatened or been violent. He is making argument. If this is what you call "attacking" then what is it that religious people are doing when they try to oppress free thinking? You are trying to spin it so that it sounds like he's a bad person.
Religious people don't simply believe, they believe and teach others to believe, sometimes in horrible ways.
N64isgreat 1 month ago
@N64isgreat what does militant atheism mean then? I've heard Dawkins calling for it. If that's not emulating the worst behaviour of one's perceived adversary, then I dunno what is
myowngenesis 4 weeks ago
@myowngenesis Militant Atheism is exactly what it sounds like, it's being nearly aggressively challenging of a religion. I don't think Prof. Dawkins wants us to be aggressive but if he did say militant then he certainly would have meant it in a different way. He did say that there needs to be more pressure on religious people and more challenges made to religion as it needs to be expelled from society asap. Atheists won't indoctrinate kids or use terror or violence as religious people do
N64isgreat 4 weeks ago
@N64isgreat It's the principle that counts. Dawkins is abhorred by the way religious people take away the choice for those who are not sure whether they want to believe or not. And yet what does he himself? You cannot fight absolutism with absolutism, it's hypocricy. Challenging and pressuring religious people who aren't on a have to convert everyone path is just idiocy. Challenge those Jehovas Witnesses and the Mormons, THEN we're talking payback. And not all religious ppl indoctrinate kids
myowngenesis 4 weeks ago
@myowngenesis Sorry, what the hell does Dawkins do to take away peoples choice? All he does is show people whats wrong with religion - and they dont even have to listen. They'd be fools not to though. Certain levels of religious and superstitious people deserve what they deserve. As for passive religious/superstitious people, I still dont think its good to live in a society that allows grown adults to believe in such dangerous fairytale bullshit.
N64isgreat 4 weeks ago
@N64isgreat alright then. If you're religious then your dumb, deluded and have no place in any serious debatte, is that what you and your idol Dawkins are trying to say? Then you and himshould take up a class on a course concerning interhuman relations. I'm a believer myself, and not ONCE have I looked down on you on this comment exchange because you're an atheist. Seemingly I cannot expect that same attitude from you to me since I'm deluded, I don't think for myself, I was made to believe, yes?
myowngenesis 3 weeks ago
@myowngenesis You are assuming that I idolise Mr Dawkins and that I look down on you individually. Don't make these assumptions just to make yourself look like a better person.
Yes, if you believe in the big magical sky daddy then you are deluded and you would be considered insane if it wasn't so sociably normal to be religious. You may have been indoctrinated, I don't know. You may have chose to believe in it yourself after childhood. You tell me which.
N64isgreat 3 weeks ago
@N64isgreat well, then there is no reason to prolong the debate. I have no intention of arguing whether how and which concerning anything by simply ignoring and refusing to acknowledge your presupposition that I am deluded because I believe in the sky daddy or whatever. When the starting point on your view on the adversary is a condensending one, then don't expect any serious debate with any believer, regardless of the level of fanaticism in question. I'm pretty liberal, but just as bad to you.
myowngenesis 2 weeks ago
@myowngenesis I know that all religious people are deluded because delusion described the process of believing in something that is stupid and wrong. I dont expect a serious debate let alone a logical one most of the time but it's the only way to make a superstitious person think critically about their own faith, depending on how reliant or stupid they might be. I know that not all religious people are stupid but they are still wrong and opinions are not going to change that.
N64isgreat 1 week ago
@N64isgreat
Like Dark Matter ???
If it truly exists then why do they have to create it to prove it ?
53dumey 1 week ago
@53dumey What's like dark matter?
I don't think we have proved dark matter's existence. What's your point?
N64isgreat 1 week ago
LMFAO, this guy using 9/11 as an example he's doing the same thing he claims religious people do, believing in something with no evidence, it's clear that there was no descent investigation into 9/11 and lots of visual proof of a demolition in almost all videos taken that day, you need months of preparation to get such a building down no proof religion involved. I agree that religion can be dangerous, to be clear it limits to false Christians, false Muslims, false Jews and don't forget Satanist!
vstijn 3 months ago
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Dead-to-the-spirit deluded "God Delusion" author & blithering fool scientist goon Richard Dawkins another "leader" given to the profane masses is another useful idiot for Jesuit machinations-C.O.
Jesuitical: pertaining to the Jesuits or their principals; designing; cunning; deceitful; prevaricating
The Jesuit Order completely altered the education system to suit their Evo-Hoax agenda to discredit the Bible. They cant have a Satanic society of 'Do as Thou Wilt' if people still follow the Bible
SpencerBenedict2nd 4 months ago
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Dead-to-the-spirit deluded "God Delusion" author & blithering fool scientist goon Richard Dawkins another "leader" given to the profane masses is another useful idiot for Jesuit machinations-C.O.
Jesuitical: pertaining to the Jesuits or their principals; designing; cunning; deceitful; prevaricating
The Jesuit Order completely altered the education system to suit their Evo-Hoax agenda to discredit the Bible. They cant have a Satanic society of 'Do as Thou Wilt' if people still follow the Bible
SpencerBenedict2nd 4 months ago
"My faith told me to invade Iraq..." --Dubya
js290 4 months ago
I feel like Dawkins here may be taking it a bit too... words can't describe it, its not far, but it feels like there isn't much background to it.
Tophatsweekly 5 months ago
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We should have no qualm about scorning the self deluded, irrational, parasitic, cowardice religious. They deserve no respect, only ridicule, disdain, and contempt. Their ridicules beliefs are 1st century ignorance and fear at its worst. It is of the utmost importance for the health of civilization to eradicate the god virus and drag the indoctrinated feeble minded fools into the 21st century.
scotttebben 5 months ago
Respect for Atheism enables Atheist Extremists like Dawkins !
LOL
53dumey 5 months ago
@53dumey So he's an extremist in anti-religion by making speeches and writing books? If that's what you call extremism then what do you call it when religious people use violence, terror, indoctrination and hate to force their stupid beliefs onto people?
N64isgreat 4 weeks ago
@N64isgreat
Stalinism ???
53dumey 3 weeks ago
@53dumey Wtf is stalinism and wtf has Stalin got to do with anything?
N64isgreat 3 weeks ago
Does Dawkins not see that to believe there is no God or no ultimate authority that some people might see this as an excuse to murder millions for a selfish cause ?
STALIN !
53dumey 6 months ago
@53dumey Do you not see that to believe there is a God might make just as good an excuse to murder millions for a selfish cause?
HITLER!!
haakon555 6 months ago
@haakon555
According to Hitlers minister of propoganda, Hitler was not only Not religious but hated Christianity.
Hitler was more of a secular Darwinist.
53dumey 6 months ago
@53dumey Why is it then that on each of the nazi uniforms, one could clearly see the words "god with us"?
Nidair 6 months ago
@Nidair
It does'nt say which God, which could also mean a Pagan God !
53dumey 6 months ago
@53dumey Which is the exact same supernatural space daddy.
Nidair 6 months ago
@Nidair
According to Hitlers own minister of propoganda Goebbles, Hitler saw Christianity as a danger to his agenda.
He also had 12 priests sent to the ovens !
53dumey 6 months ago
@53dumey why then in mein kamph hitler says he is doing gods work ....
MrStewart149 5 months ago
@MrStewart149
Mein Kampf was an instrument of propoganda used by Hitler to get elected in a country where the majority were Christian.
53dumey 5 months ago
@53dumey you are grasping at atheist straws ' hitler was a believer in the supernatural ' he had his own astrologer for example . no atheist would believe such nonsense and no atheist has ever killed in the name of atheism as the word is a simple statement of non believe and not a political statement ..
MrStewart149 5 months ago
@MrStewart149
Stalin hated Religion enough to kill millions of Christians.
Sounds like Atheist extremeism to me !
53dumey 5 months ago
@53dumey
It's not something he did because he believed in no god. It's something he did because, like every human being, he desired power.
VirAudax 5 months ago
@53dumey
In addition, comparing Dawkins to Stalin is painfully unfair. Dawkins doesn't murder people.
VirAudax 5 months ago
@VirAudax
Promoting Atheism as Dawkins does also promotes Atheist Extremism which is what Stalin used when he Murdered millions of Christians.
Dawkins wants his Minons to do the dirty work so he can claim his hands are clean.
53dumey 5 months ago
@53dumey
Umm, no, it promotes science. Dawkins promotes the scientific method as the means of understanding our universe, and that is why he objects to religion, because it is just guessing. Dawkins does not advocate a totalitarian state that owns all businesses and pays all workers evenly. I don't know his political views, but he would probably object to Stalin's policies on the grounds that they are proved to be ineffective, even if you are the kind to think that Stalin meant well.
VirAudax 5 months ago
@VirAudax
Promoting Science while insulting Religion is not only self defeating but only hurts his cause for Science.
Afterall there are plenty of Christian students studying Science.
BTW, Scientists are trying to create the God Particle as a way of Proving its existence.
Science working on Faith ?
53dumey 5 months ago
@53dumey
It's not insulting religion to point out its obvious flaws. It's just telling the truth.
Christian students studying science does not validity their beliefs.
Until such is proved, it is still irrational.
VirAudax 5 months ago
@VirAudax
But for Scientists to Believe that the Higgs (God Pariticle) exists without proof is Rational ??
Wheres the Logic in saying that Science can work on Faith , but Religion can't !
53dumey 5 months ago
@53dumey
Did I ever say that? No. Please save the straw man.
VirAudax 5 months ago
@VirAudax
Point is Dawkins is NO better than what he claims to protest !
53dumey 5 months ago
@53dumey
Well, that's a step up from comparing Dawkins to Stalin, even though it's still incorrect.
VirAudax 5 months ago
@VirAudax
Its only your Opinion that I am incorrect !
Dawkins claims that giving Religion respect enables religous extremism.
I say Respecting Dawkins views enables Atheist Extremism, which shows how Stalin tried to kill religion !
53dumey 4 months ago
@53dumey
Oh, it's just my opinion? What a convincing argument. Nevermind that Stalin was a powerhungry tyrant, while Dawkins just goes around and gives speeches telling people to think rationally and to escape the tyranny of dogma. He has no self-political aims. Stalin drove out religion so that people would worship him. Dawkins isn't a megalomaniac like that, and neither are most atheists. Any more dumbass remarks?
VirAudax 4 months ago
@VirAudax
I wish Dawkins was the passive , kindly old man you claim him to be.
But he Isn't, he's an Anti-Religous Extremist and his message is or can be just as Dangerous as any Religious Extremeism.
53dumey 4 months ago
@53dumey
Yeah, I've already proved that you're wrong. Now you're just being difficult.
VirAudax 4 months ago
@VirAudax
How have you proved me wrong ?
53dumey 3 months ago
@53dumey
Dawkins has never advocated anything close to what Stalin did. Dawkins is not a Communist. Dawkins only argues against religion because of its irrational nature that leads people to commit crimes in the name of a righteous cause.
That's how.
VirAudax 3 months ago 2
@VirAudax
No he has'nt.
But we all know that Stalin was an Atheist, even though Dawkins feels the need to say Stalinism is a religion of its own.
We know he's wrong, Stalinism is an idea, not a religion !
53dumey 3 months ago
@53dumey
Dawkins refers to Stalinism as a substitute for religion. He knows full well that it isn't actually one, nor does he condone it. You will find that he is a harsh critic of Stalin.
VirAudax 3 months ago
@53dumey He wrote in Mien Kampf that he was acting in gods name. He was also a roman catholic.
N64isgreat 4 weeks ago
@N64isgreat
Mien Kampf was a book of Propoganda, you do know what propoganda is, Right ???
53dumey 3 weeks ago
@53dumey It was more of an act of charisma or support rallying tool than propaganda. Even if it was propaganda, he still tried to use it as a way of justifying what he wanted to do and then obviously did. He was also christened, and christenings are how christianity decides how christian the population is. By that judgement, the church can categorise Hitler as a christian.
N64isgreat 3 weeks ago
@N64isgreat
So, getting a Minister of propoganda to write your Biography has nothing to do with it ?
You are the same as the Uneducated Germans in the 40's !!!!
53dumey 1 week ago
@53dumey whether or not Hitler was religious is not important, he claimed to be religious whenever it benefited him politically. The problem is that fact that he used it as a justification that people would have read and agreed with.
Also, wasn't he in prison when he wrote that book?
N64isgreat 1 week ago
I think the problem with faith is that it doesn't have any reliable way to catch its own errors. If you take things on faith, and your faith leads you to decide, say, that you should torture Jews until they convert, then that same faith won't necessarily make you stop and say, wait a second, that's a horrible thing to do. That would be doubt, and doubt is the opposite of faith. The stronger your faith, the less likely you are to have doubts.
TualhaCat 7 months ago 3
I don't see why Christians freak out so much about this guy. Big deal he wrote a book and he is a little condescending at times. Ignore him and get over it.
somerandompagan 8 months ago
This is exactly wut I've been trying to tell my Christian friend!! Yet he disapproves any sensible logic that i try to give him and always has a defense for God n yet never notices that he himself is being contradictive!! It's so frustrating to deal wit a Brain Washed Religious Zombie!!!
itsbitches 8 months ago 2
right on Richard. open your minds people for gods sake!!! no more extremism.
joinery11 8 months ago
In other words " us nice people need to be nice to everyone except for religious people." ... nice.
pooptypeuptypants55c 8 months ago
@pooptypeuptypants55c more like we need to respect people not ideas
lonewolfM16 8 months ago 4
YOU NICE LIBERAL PEOPLE...I.E. DAWKINS..GO TO MY CHANNEL ..WATCH THE VIDEO MIRACLES...THERE IS THE SCIENCE YOU HAVE NOT ACKNOWLEDGED.
I don't have enough faith to be an Athiest.
baysideful 10 months ago
@baysideful - Hmm, your channel is a bit stupid to be honest. Like a series of postcards with crappy music. If that proves anything, it is that there is no God!
piginasack 9 months ago 2
@piginasack You obviously did not watch the vid. Before making a decision don't you want all the evidence? I would as would most scientists or others involved in believing the science Dawkins believes. You are cheating yourself to not hear both sides. Your opinion on my channel is not important. The science is.
baysideful 9 months ago
@baysideful "I don't have enough faith to be an Athiest."
But you clearly are ignorant enough to utter such a fallacious statement!
nosajj12345 8 months ago 5
I'm sorry i don't belive in Jesus.. my parents always tought me to belive and praise Horus, That he's our only savior. Accept Horus now or burn with seth in hell for eternity!
topOmac19 1 year ago 47
@topOmac19 set...
3209486 1 year ago
Look four dislikes. It would appear as though Palin, Bachmann and Bush found this video! Dumb,dumber and dumbest.
scotttebben 7 months ago
"He, who speaks without modesty, will find it hard to make his words good"
you should be respectable, humble and polite at all times. if you are rude to someone, the chances are they are going to cover their ears. you can criticize, argue and debate but by no means be rude because that gets you no where. if you genuinely believe you are correct and another is not, it does not mean you can then lower respect otherwise you will have an entire world of people with no respect.
mem521 1 year ago 2
I've never met a nice liberal, or a tolerant one
daddyg321 1 year ago
well said as usual Richard
TaNgLeD2121 1 year ago 24
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@TaNgLeD2121
Richard believes in evolutionism although there is no evidence for it.
000042229 9 months ago
@TaNgLeD2121
Just because it follows your philosophy...
Antunez99 3 months ago
I disagree, the reason why there are islamic extremists committing acts of terrorism is because they think that the west is has no respect for islam. When the Army kills innocent people to get rid of a couple terrorists they in turn create more terrorists.
herndonboy13 1 year ago
@herndonboy13 These are King religions - God made in the image of a medieval king. subjects/slaves/servants kneel down in front of their king, shaking with fear, beg & grovel for mercy. This is no democracy, the king's word is law. U don't disagree with the king, the king says sun revloves around the earth, no evolution, the slave must agree. King says go Kill, the soldier will shoot - this is what we are seeing. u won't find a Hindu or Buddhist Terrorist for these are Teacher Faiths.
ramaraksha01 1 year ago
@herndonboy13 Not really - these religions have patterned their god in the image of their medieval king. There can be only one king - disloyal people "deserve" to be killed. Once a follower reduces himself to a loyal slave/servant/soldier of this king, he can be easily manipulated to kill in the name of his king. Remember when the general or king says shoot the soldier must obey. Religions that teach this blind obeidience make terrorists, which is why u won't find a Hindu or Buddhist terrorist
ramaraksha01 1 year ago
Watch Atheist religion debunked by Creationism. Scientist V Scientist.
rocksoli4 1 year ago
Why doesn't he make a distinction between the Muslim faith and bombing people in the name of Allah and Christians who help people all over the world. Half the truth is whole of a lie.
rocksoli4 1 year ago
@rocksoli4 Maybe we should ask native americans & native mexicans & south americans & black slaves about how great christians were. The Buddha was lucky - he was born in Hindu India. If he had been born in the west or muslim lands, i doubt we would have Buddhism today.
Your religion has had a long history of killing people in the name of religion. Hitler was a symptom of the hatred that was passed down the generations.
ramaraksha01 1 year ago
@ramaraksha01 Lets bring it back to today mate. The atheist bankers who have destroyed half the worlds economies are the real terrorists. And we have to cough up to keep them in bonuses while we all struggle to even find a decent paying job. Now who are the slaves in this atheists paradise. Their motivation is greed and power and they think they will not have to stand before God to answer for their crimes. If you are right they have gotten away with it. So have the Muslim bombers.
rocksoli4 1 year ago
@rocksoli4 Huh? Where did u get the info that all the bankers were atheists? That's easy bigotry talking. Easy cheap blame - that's the same kind of thinking that leads to terrorism & killings that u see in muslim lands.
BTW A Good Atheist is closer to God Rama than even a Good Hindu, so says this Hindu. Sorry, can't share in ur bigotry.
ramaraksha01 1 year ago
@ramaraksha01 It's not bigotry to observe what is happening in the world of economics and I admit not all bankers are atheists. But Jesus said that you will know a tree by the fruit it bears. The fruit of greed does not come from a true follower of Jesus. I conclude that greedy people know nothing of a loving God. You label me very quickly and thereby shoot yourself in the foot. Does easy cheap blame and bigotry ring any bells?
rocksoli4 1 year ago
@rocksoli4 Well i am not a follower of jesus - am i supposed to be a bad person? We Hindus don't judge people by the religion they follow or the lack of it. Plenty of religious people have done awful things. The holocaust has been blamed on Hitler rightly but the bigotry against jews nurtured by the church thru the centuries should share the blame.
There are plenty of Atheists doing great things around the world. I am sorry i just did not take a liking to ur comment
ramaraksha01 1 year ago
@ramaraksha01 When you compare yourself to other men you will take pride in that you are not like the"bad ones". But because God is pure we impure people cannot mix with God or He will become impure. Therefore we need cleansing to even know God. Jesus came to earth in human form and rectified the situation.
rocksoli4 1 year ago
@rocksoli4 All this talk of impurity sounds silly to me. then we are NOT the children of God? But that does match ur religion - God is like a King & we are his subjects/slaves. Get down on ur knees, shaking with fear, begging & groveling for mercy. This is no democracy, the king's word is law! Do not question the king. But this is how terrorism rises - brainwashed young men told to blindly obey "god" & go kill because that is what "god" asks them to do.
ramaraksha01 1 year ago
@ramaraksha01 His blood shed for all men is a covering for sin. Our sins are paid for for all time for all men ..what freedom that is. Death is separation from God and life. Sin is the disease that leads to death. Its not a case of who is bad or good according to our standards, if you have sinned you carry the disease in your being. We all need cleansing if we're really honest.
rocksoli4 1 year ago
@rocksoli4 If a conman were to dupe elderly of their life savings & die:
christian: says sorry to god, begs & grovels for mercy. God let's him go to heaven? How nice for the criminal! Where's the compassion for the victim?These elderly might be now homeless & wo their medicines. They get hell while the criminal gets heaven?
Hindu: Even ASKING for forgiveness is WRONG! The Hindu STANDS Tall, head held high, comes back to repay the ones that he had robbed! that's the right way! Do the right thng
ramaraksha01 1 year ago
@ramaraksha01 Jesus is the way that leads to life He said "If you believe in me even though you die you shall live again. Jesus never lied. That'sa why I am his follower I trust every word he has spoken and my heart confirms the peace life and power he has given me. May you come to know your creator in a personal way.
rocksoli4 1 year ago
@rocksoli4 Sorry just can't get my head around the notion that we live 70 odd yrs & then spend eternity being taken care of by a being. What was the point of life? 70 yrs compared to eternity is a blink of time, so life on earth was just a blink of an eyelash - meaningless, pointless. Oh yes god has nothing better do than feed & cloth billions till eternity just because u learnt to beg & grovel.
ramaraksha01 1 year ago
@ramaraksha01 The bible says Love your neighbour as yourself but the only true way to do that is not by being self aware but by being God conscious i.e. You/me were created for a purpose, to have a relationship with God the creator of all things when this is revealed to a person they are never the same. I love my wife and worship God because he made her for me. I love Him I want to sing about His love His beauty His strength. The bible says He inhabits the praise of his people
rocksoli4 1 year ago
@rocksoli4 Nice talk & then if u don't love this god back suddenly he is now a saddam who will delight in torturing u for eternity! I don't know how anyone can be so evil to be tortured for eternity, that's a bit sadistic.
U said it God doesn't need ur praise - but that is what u will be doing in heaven? Don't u think it is a bit ridiculous that god has nothing better to do than feed & cloth billions for eternity?
Divide 80 odd yrs by eternity - how insignificant is that? contd.
ramaraksha01 1 year ago
@ramaraksha01 You have believed all the rhetoric about Christianity. It is our decision to choose life or not, Let us assume that God is real and He appeared to us humans in human form. He says I am the way that leads to life. If you believe in me even thou you die you shall live again, now anyone can claim that but if around the same time you perform miracles like healing a leper or making the blind to see again raise several people from the dead maybe just maybe He has got a pretty good claim
rocksoli4 1 year ago
@rocksoli4 Jesus was good until he started doing miracles. God Rama did no miracles - he fought, he made mistakes but he was strong, he held on to truth, he held on to a truthful life no matter what the odds. We can't all be jesus, we can't all be magic men, but we can ALL follow in the footsteps of God Rama. No matter what the odds, fight for a better earth.
All I know is that u christians are one-and-done, after this u go to ur God's retirement home. Good luck with that.
ramaraksha01 1 year ago
@rocksoli4 WE are not Quitters, WE don't run away thru the backdoor. We plan to Stay, We Stand & Fight for a better earth. If Global warming is right, we Hindus will lead the fight to come out of it! Man will one day reach the stars & we Hindus promise to make it happen.
Gandhiji, Mother Teresa, Sardar Patel, MS, Bhagat Singh - all Earned Praise FROM God! Those are our ideals - all u can do is praise God. Just can't see God feeding & clothing billions for eternity.
ramaraksha01 1 year ago
@rocksoli4 So life for u is a pitstop, a blink of ur eye, meaningless. The vast majority of ur time is to be spent elsewhere. Does it make sense that this blink of time decides ur fate till eternity? Again logic shows that a lot of ur religion has been made up - by people living 2000 yrs ago.
For us Hindus, life is not a pitstop. This is our home, we die, we come right back - no heaven, & thank god no hell-no sadistic saddam like god torturing poor souls for the crime of getting his name wrong
ramaraksha01 1 year ago
@ramaraksha01 To love others and see them develop into stronger and better human beings is not meaningless. We can't all be Mother Teresa for God has made us all individuals with different talents and functions just like a body made up of many parts we all need to find out what that part is and develop it so that we are the best we can be.
rocksoli4 1 year ago
@rocksoli4 reg the point about meaningless - i feel that 70 odd yrs compared to eternity is just a flicker of time, a blink of the eye. Besides if the majority of ur time is going to be spent being taken care of by god, what's the point of human life? Why even be born? No point to a blink of an eye.
For us, life is not pointless - we are born again & again! It is a chance for us to earn Praise FROM God!
ramaraksha01 1 year ago
@ramaraksha01 Jesus said The greatest is the one who serves meaning a king can serve his people ,it doesn't matter who you are or what position in life if we all serve one another what a world that would be,
rocksoli4 1 year ago
@rocksoli4 I wouldn't use the word serve - that makes us a servant, a slave. that kind of mentality lead to terrorism - brainwashed young men blindly obeying orders from their "god".
What people need is a handup not a handout. A 1000 Bill Gates are better than a 1000 Mother Teresas. It is better to eliminate poverty & hopelessness than to put a bandaid on it.
ramaraksha01 1 year ago
@rocksoli4 We aim to EARN Praise FROM God! Gandhiji, Mother Teresa, MLK, Bhagat Singh, Sardar Patel - these people earned praise FROM God & the world is better for it. We don't want to sit in God's retirement home, we want to work. The earth faces a uncertain future, we don't want to run away, we aim to STAY, Stand & Fight for a better earth.
ramaraksha01 1 year ago
@ramaraksha01 Praise is our expression of the joy of life to the One who created it all....God doesn't need our praise or worship it is something that flows from a heart full of joy a bit like when you fall in love you want it to carry on forever it feels so good. That's exactly what its like when you know God
rocksoli4 1 year ago
@rocksoli4 Hindus die, we come right back. If global warming is right & earth becomes a hell, we Hindus will be here fighting it. One day man will reach the stars & we Hindus promise to make it happen. Human history is not a lie, the sacrifices made by the likes of Gandhiji, Mother Teresa, MLK will not go in vain - there is a point to life & that's not learning to beg & grovel.
In Heaven all u can do is praise God, only on earth can u earn Praise FROM God!
ramaraksha01 1 year ago
@ramaraksha01 p.s. Thank you for saying sorry we all jump to conclusions when we don't really know the person to whom we are speaking to. If done the same thing myself. To recognise when we have judjed wrongly is a good thing and I commend you for it. May God bless you and your family.
rocksoli4 1 year ago
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eltonjohntribute 1 year ago
Blowing up buildings or shooting people is only the "in your face" evil from religion. In Catholic corrupted countries like Belgium ruling, judging, giving out jobs (or not) and such are very much under their unfair control. They (climbers + Royals) demand respect that is not deserved at all. In Islamic countries it is just as bad.
isleofyew1 1 year ago
I love Dawkins' ideas, they're so eloquently explained; BUT I just can't get the image out of my head here that he is the older version of Harry Potter. I keep waiting for him to spout off about Hogwart's or "witchery".
goathedxxx 1 year ago
This guy is awesome...Dawkins has a MASSIVE penis...
delic619 1 year ago
Respect for politics enables fascism?
Respect for businessmen enables exploitation?
Respect for teachers enables indoctrination?
A world with no respect is a better world?!
Great argument Dawkins, keep it coming
aaronfromhastings 1 year ago
@aaronfromhastings nobody respects those things, thats the point, if nobody questioned right wing politics then they would be able to do anything, use your brain idiot.
LowleyUK 1 year ago
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@aaronfromhastings~ You made that on your own or god tells you about it?
lordtyamat 1 year ago
@aaronfromhastings politics dont say that they should lock up all the republicans or democrats, religion almost ALWAYS says to kill those who dont beleive like you, so yes, it does enable extremism, or what i say, just being a normal christian or muslim, killing everyone who doesn't agree with your pathetic little beleifs, just like their books tell them to
blazereef 1 year ago
@blazereef You're so full of bile yourself. And sorry but you're a bit thick too. Because you don't seem to realise that Athism is a religion. One which drives people like you to look down on your fellow man. What have I ever done to you?
It is men who use religion for evil means, just as they use politics for evil means. But then, you're an atheist, you probably don't believe in evil. Therefore you have no cause to complain. To an atheist., things just "are" with no meaning, no good, no evil
eltonjohntribute 1 year ago
@eltonjohntribute atheism is not a religion, goddamn when will you stupid motherfuckers learn this, i look down on you people because you are the most ignorant people on the planet
blazereef 1 year ago
@blazereef I don't know who you think you are, but Dawkins would not speak to me like that and it's probably well agreed that you're pretty ignorant compared to him, so all you can really do is get better... but only if you want to of course
eltonjohntribute 1 year ago
@blazereef what is atheism then?
eltonjohntribute 1 year ago
@eltonjohntribute a rejection of the claim that god or gods exist. you should know what you are arguing against before you open your ignorant mouth
blazereef 1 year ago
@blazereef And how exactly do you prove that something doesn't exist, Mr clever?
eltonjohntribute 1 year ago
@eltonjohntribute it doesn't need to prove it doesn't exist, you need to show that it does, atheism is not a positive claim, its a negative, you seem like the typical fallacy spewing religious nutjob with a severe lack of critical thinking skills
blazereef 1 year ago
@blazereef
That's my point! A negative claim is just that! You cannot prove that something or someone does not exist without first showing all that does exist. And that has yet to be done, my friend, even by a genius like you.
I don't need to prove what I know! (Or how clever I am) Knowledge is not the same as an opinion. You only have the opinion that God isn't real. You can cast my knowledge aside because it doesn't suit your view but you can't reject it without properly considering it.
eltonjohntribute 1 year ago
@eltonjohntribute you have given me not a single reason to beleive in a god, nor has anyone else, ever, in the thousands of years that people have been trying to prove god, they have literally not came out with even ONE piece of evidence, none, do you not understand basic logic
blazereef 1 year ago
@blazereef Your eyes are open yet you refuse to see! God gave you those eyes, and everything you have seen in your life has been evidence presented for you. God has done more than enough to give you what you want.
Do you want it though? Do you want to have this knowledge or would you rather continue blindly? I am not interested in winning or losing this argument, my friend, only in helping you find the joyous peace that comes from knowledge of God. There is nothing like it. I hope you find it
eltonjohntribute 1 year ago
@eltonjohntribute my eyes are open, its you that refuse to give me anything to look at. my eyes evolved, no one gave them to me but nature. i have never been given any evidence, none. continue blindly? i just asked for evidence and you say that its been given to me yet you dont tell me what it is, you know there is no evidence. i am not interested in peace, i am interested in what is true and has evidence, do you have any or not?
blazereef 1 year ago
@blazereef Without a creator there would be nothing. Open your eyes. Do you see it all? Why is there all this rather than nothing? All this. All this is evidence. You ask for a miracle. A burning bush. God gives you the burning of ten million suns, and still you do not see! Only one things prevents you from seeing. Your own stubborness and the fear of One being above you..
aaronfromhastings 1 year ago
@aaronfromhastings how do you know there would be nothing? what about your gods existence, how did your god get here? always being there is not an answer because i could just say the universe has always existed in some form. i dont know why there is something rather then nothing. a burning bush? baaaahhahahaha. no, i simply am not going to accept bullshit without evidence
blazereef 1 year ago
@blazereef Read "A Brief History of Time" and you will see that it is impossible for the Universe to have "always" been here. You tell me how it came into existence. I think I've provided an awful lot of evidence of creation in the form of a universe!
aaronfromhastings 1 year ago
@aaronfromhastings so, you are going to use a science book to say that science is wrong when it says that we evovled? pathetic. first off, it is talking about our universe, it could have split from another universe or it could be in a big bang/crunch sequence, no one knows but even if it did need a beggining, this doesn't prove that some god created it, it proves that it got here, it doesn't comment on how it got here. the universe is not evidence of god no matter how much you assert it is
blazereef 1 year ago
@blazereef
Evolution is a theory. That's why it's called the "theory of evolution". It is not proved. It is a theory.
The big bang crunch etc does not get you any closer to the matter of how it all started. You are "standing turtles on the backs of turtles". God on the other hand is eternal and transcends time. That is how He is able to create time and matter.
aaronfromhastings 1 year ago
@eltonjohntribute
Tribute, here are somethings you need to prove.
Prove there are absolutely no leprechauns in the world.
Prove Santa Claus doesn't fly through the night on Christmas Eve.
Prove you are not a murderer and pedophile.
Where were you during every unsolved child murder in the last 10 years?
Can't prove where you were? Well, then, we need to convict someone for those crime. I choose you. Unless you can PROVE you never murdered anyone ever.
jinitron 1 year ago
@jinitron “Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth.” Sir Arthur Conan Doyle.
Proving that God does not exist would have quite a big effect, agreed?
Now as to your list (and your question is rather old hat) I don't need to prove any of those things, because proving them will have no effect on anything whatsoever.
To deny something which other people know, you have to have greater knowledge than they, not just lack their knowledge.
aaronfromhastings 1 year ago
@blazereef And as for your defending "politics". You really are so badly educated. "Politics" is not resposible for anything. Nor is "religion". Any more than "values" are.
Shall we start with your "politics dont say we should lock up all..."
Here are some political ideologies (which must be what you mean) that said to lock up and/or kill quite a lot of people: fascism, communism, anti-communism / anti-socialism.
How many people were killed in the name of Christianity in the 20th C?
eltonjohntribute 1 year ago
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It is really easy to solve. Start loving everyone. It is as simple as that. The only reason you have extremism, regardless of whether it is Islamic or Christian or Hindu or anything else is because people feel disenfranchised from acceptance. They are not accepted. Love, accept everyone and you will have no extremism. There is no room for extremism when everyone is appreciated, loved, and provided an opportunity, the same equal opportunity for love that everyone else is provided. -The Wonders
ChooseFreelyTV 1 year ago
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It is really easy to solve. Start loving everyone. It is as simple as that. The only reason you have extremism, regardless of whether it is Islamic or Christian or Hindu or anything else is because people feel disenfranchised from acceptance. They are not accepted. Love, accept everyone and you will have no extremism. There is no room for extremism when everyone is appreciated, loved, and provided an opportunity, the same equal opportunity for love that everyone else is provided. -The Wonders
ChooseFreelyTV 1 year ago
Gilmaris, you've worn me down with your sheer tediousness. Have it whatever precise, stultifying, tedious, nitpicking hairsplitting point-avoiding way you like.
My life's too short.
dunnonuffink 1 year ago
As for "dogmatic atheists" - which I didn't even bring up - my experience is the exact opposite of yours. The most dogmatic atheists are those who grew up atheist, and are simply parroting their parents' views. These are no more rational than theists who simply parrot THEIR parents' views. Atheists who were once theists have at least experienced the other side of the fence. (cont.)
Gilmaris 1 year ago
(cont.) Moreover, they have demonstrated a capacity for questioning their own beliefs. In some cases, though, the conversion is for all the wrong reasons, and in those cases they may well become dogmatic about their atheism.
Gilmaris 1 year ago
@Gilmaris
LOL - you obviously don't KNOW anyone who grew up atheist. They are the most argumentative of households. Nothing is accepted without question.
Your very argument is mired in the religious mindset. Please try to understand: where an idea comes from is irrelevant to: authority is not respected unless it's the authority of demonstrated competence.
All my parents did was not bother.
Darwin could be a paedophile for all atheists care: Dawkins could be a heroin addict.
dunnonuffink 1 year ago
@dunnonuffink
You are making things up. Show me a household where nothing is accepted without question, and I will show you complete and utter chaos. I've taught school children of all kinds, and atheist kids are just as blindly devoted to their parents' views as theist kids.
As for your tirade about where authority comes from: how is that relevant to anything I've said?
Gilmaris 1 year ago
Religion is sick and disgusting.
jjason55740 1 year ago
religion isn't the root of all evil but if it were gotten rid of the world would be a little better.
jjason55740 1 year ago
Richard Dawkins using the slippery slope fallacy. There is absolutely no reason to assume that accepting and tolerating that people have faith, without any evidence, should in any way lead to accepting and tolerating actions that defy culture and law based on such faith. Eugenics actually has science behind it, but that doesn't mean we accept or tolerate it. So Richard doesn't really know what he's talking about here, he only makes assumptions based on his bias against religion.
Gilmaris 1 year ago
@Gilmaris
Eugenics had pseudoscience and a great deal of ungrounded speculation and wishful thinking behind it. It was in fact based far more on rationalising superstitious fear, prejudice and preserving a dominant social class than based on science.
The LANGUAGE of science was co-opted to provide a veneer for a repugnant, already-existing lobby. Scientific inquiry then debunked it. Religion, with its afterlife & authority-figure makes 9/11 and the current wave of suicide bombings possible.
dunnonuffink 1 year ago
@dunnonuffink
Not just pdeudoscience: you can apply the exact same scientific principles of selective breeding to humans as you do with livestock. Whether eugenisists are theists or atheists is irrelevant, the point is you can be in favour of eugenics whether you are theist or atheist.
Gilmaris 1 year ago
Also, religion is not what makes 9/11 and other suicide bombings possible. One does not cause the other, rather, they both have the same cause: human nature, which is social and dogmatic. You had suicide bombers among the atheist Vietcong as well. And the will to kill someone with bombs is certainly not something which is augmented by theism. Dogma, yes, but dogma can just as easily be atheistic.
Gilmaris 1 year ago
@Gilmaris
Religion is the one thing that enabled 9/11 bombers to imagine that (a) they had a personal incentive to die and (b) that they would somehow live to get this reward and (c) that killing civilians was moral. (As a matter of fact, the Vietcong were by no means necessarily atheists. Many believed they'd be reincarnated. Do your homework.)
Religion facilitates suicide bombing, validates it and provides the prime motive for it.
dunnonuffink 1 year ago
@dunnonuffink
Replace religion with dogma and I will agree with you. You absolutely do NOT need religion to (a) have a personal incentive to die (for a cause), (b) care about consequences that will only ensue after death and (c) that killing civilians is moral. Just look at the Communist Far East in recent history. Take your own advice and do YOUR homework.
Gilmaris 1 year ago
@Gilmaris
And what made that wacky Communist fanaticism possible/ Do you really think people switched overnight from belief in god(s) to atheism? No, they filled the gap left by irrational faith in a Great Heavenly Father with irrational faith in...a Great Earthly Father. The operative word being "faith".
People literally worshipped Mao and Stalin and Ceaucescu. Literally. I don't need to get educated - I WENT to communist countries in '70s and again the day the Communists left, for a year.
dunnonuffink 1 year ago
@dunnonuffink
Yes, FAITH. Which may or may not involve a belief in gods. Whether you have faith in what your religious leaders tell you, or if you have faith in what your secular leaders tell you, what is the difference? It's still blind obedience.
You even mention Ceaucescu, Mao and Stalin yourself, so you should know perfectly well that "God" is not required at any point of the equation.
Gilmaris 1 year ago
@Gilmaris
Doh!
It is religion - especially the dogma of the Abrahamic religons - that has given this pernicious meme "blind faith" its power by clothing it in respectablity.
It also bred in deference to "absolute" authority.
Before "God", it was not difficult for the average person to understand that believing something without any evidence whatsoever is foolish and irresponsible.
With "God", it became possible, normal, admirable!
China & Eastern Europe were primed by such superstition.
dunnonuffink 1 year ago
@dunnonuffink
"God" has absolutely nothing to do with people believing things without evidence. Remember, "God" is a human invention, not the other way around. God is a RESULT of human thinking, not the cause of it. What you are claiming makes absolutely no sense whatsoever, because if you were right, "God" would never have been invented in the first place.
Gilmaris 1 year ago
@Gilmaris
You're quibbling with semantics.
Why do you think I put "God" in scare quotes?
Stop scolding me for not being pedantic - it's a bore.
OK, to please you, I'll be pedantic. "The social construct "God" is what allows, indeed requires, the phenomenon of belief without evidence to be valorized."
dunnonuffink 1 year ago
@dunnonuffink
So when you put "God" in quotes, you did not necessarily mean deities, but merely objects of worship? Then why are you pretending to disagree with me?
Gilmaris 1 year ago
@Gilmaris
The only dogmatic "atheists" I've ever met were former religious people who still hadn't got rid of the religious mind-set. Religion taught them that believing dogma is not only acceptable but virtuous. Dogma just isn't possible except with a religious priming.
And don't tell me to do my homework "about" the recent past in communist countries I WAS THERE.
dunnonuffink 1 year ago
@dunnonuffink
This "religious mindset" you are talking about is innate in every single person. It is an integral part of the learning process. Without it, you would dismiss absolutely everything, even language.
And again, it's not RELIGION that teaches that dogma is virtuous - EVERY dogma teaches this, or it isn't a dogma to begin with. Dogma is inherently intolerant, and demands obedience. Whether there is a belief in gods involved is purely cosmetic.
Gilmaris 1 year ago
@Gilmaris
Without any religious indoctrination - without all the generations of chanting priests running the schools and pretending to heal people - "faith" is very easily seen for what it is: the abrogation of adult judgement, the shirking of personal responsibility, the abandonment of reason, the perverse adoption of wishful thinking, the denial of reality.
It's the very opposite of hope.
And ONLY religion can twist "blind faith" from something disgraceful into a virtue.
dunnonuffink 1 year ago
@dunnonuffink
You claim you've "been there" as far as communist countries are concerned, but your arguments are all over the place. Now you try to tell me that without religious indoctrination, "faith is very easily seen for what it is", yet it WASN't in the very communist countries you profess to have visited. If by "religious" you simply mean "dogmatic", I would agree with you, but the supernatural aspects are purely cosmetic. All you need is charisma, symbolism and a common cause.
Gilmaris 1 year ago
@Gilmaris
ARGGGH! Communist countries didn't turn atheist overnight!!!! MY POINT WAS THAT THEY WERE STEEPED IN RELIGIOSITY, and which was CONSCIOUSLY, DELIBERATELY CO-OPTED politically.
They did everything but publicly name themselves living gods.
No - the supernatural aspects were absolutely NOT cosmetic. It's futile explaining it to you. Your conversation consists entirely of tedious demands that people adhere to your preferred nuances of vocabulary and define their terms as you prefer
dunnonuffink 1 year ago