good video, BUT i realy dont think you should have youse a hoof like that............ i was about to go away from the video and i think others have before me and have missed the hoal point...
good video! it seems like you get caught up in fads tho, just be careful about that. Most of your information is correct but some is also i little off, but all in all I am very glad that you see the dangers in trimming from the top!
@bradsnyder1 I know what you mean about caught up in fads, and I havent' watched this for a few years, so I'm sure I'm off somewhere. Lately I've had some things really come together and am chomping at the bit to finally do some more videos. Happy Trimming.
@thehappyhoof Great stuff! I'm a horse lover and owner, tame my own colts and friends' out here in Spain (Europe, sorry to doubt your geog. just wanna set the picture). I am reading and learning about hoofcare and appreciate your experience, thank you. I can never stop being surprised at how many frustrated or bored americans bicker at each other on the Tube. Jealousy is terrible, ignorance even worse and to hear a lady tell people how they COULD do well is just too much for some. Good luck!
You do a FANTASTIC job of explaining barefoot trimming. Been trimming my own for yrs now. Was forced to after going through 2 farriers that just didn't pay attention over a 15-yr span. Went through splits all the way up to the coronet band, cracks, etc. One got angry when I suggested he do it differently - parted ways at that! Anyway, don't pay attention to these weirdos that post mean-spirited comments. You're doing a great job. Keep it up - for those of us that "get it". :)
This is a trade and a craft equal to that of an podiatrist. Not backyard laymen with a couple of tools and a tutorial or two. You have no business trying to educate folks on trimming with a dead foot from a horse that could have been saved by a well trained vet-farrier team. This misinformation is damaging for the welfare of horses everywhere.
@gerickson100 don't be a piece of shit and call someone a dumbass because her way isnt your way. She didnt say do this on every horse, on every hoof no matter what the problem is.
Thank you happy hoof for sharing this video. I appreciate you sharing your experiences. It makes perfect sence to me that the outer wall of a hoof is set up to protect and strengthen the hoof design. I have gleened helpful truth from your video.
I have had horses for over 20 years and believe that a horse should go barefoot all the time when possiable. Any good ferrier will not rasp the outside of the hoof and shoes should fit the horse not the horse fit the shoe. I had a horse that are tenderfooted on the front and needed to have shoes on the front so that he can be ridden. this horse was trimed properly (like you trim). Some times shoes are needed but they need to be put on right. shoes should be used only if they are needed
@shoerripper I'm an imbicil to you because I speak the truth, and you have come to learn a lot of error and lies in your profession, based on ignornace and tradition rather than true science. There are a LOT of imbicils like me out there, their called "HORSE OWNERS"...you know the people that pay you to know what you are talking about, and are finding out that in many cases you don't.
I noticed the signs of laminitis when I was first called to trim the horse. I suggested that they call a vet. They said money was an issue, and that they would put the horse down.
I was realistic with them on how much it would cost. Explained ALL the options: rehab w/vet, taking the horse to a vet friend that keep and treat the horse and putting the horse down. Without advanced knowledge and skill, the horse will die a painful death.
Thanks for gathering your experiences in this video! Very helpful to me as I try to continue to learn how to properly trim my own horses...I had taken to trimming from the top as my own invention, but now I know better. p.s. Too funny when your dog throws up in the background...what are the odds?
@thekingfishway My Dog thewup? wow, didn't even notice or maybe remember that (gettin old here). It's been over 3 years now since I quit trimming that way, and it's taken all that time, to get my horses hooves straightend out.
@ephesians54 Thanks for advertising what a lousy Christian you are and as TYPICAL making God look bad. I suppose your one of those "once saved always saved" that are deceived into thinking no matter what they do their going to heaven. Frankly your user name is an abomination in the eyes of God, and it's OBVIOUS you can't see a LICK OF TRUTH. Your's truly God's RETARD.
I am a conventional Farrier and your totally right about trimming from the top. I have created the opnion that the the wall ( ie a flare) should not be made thinner then 50% of is original thickness otherwhile the capsul loses its strenght and structure. Many barefooters and Farriers alike like to just rasp off flare wich looks good at the time but hoofcare isnt about instand results is it!
I am a conventional Farrier and your totally right about trimming from the top. I have created the opnion that the the wall ( ie a flare) should not be made thinner then 50% of is original thickness otherwhile the capsul loses its strenght and structure. Many barefooters and Farriers alike like to just rasp off flare wich looks good at the time but hoofcare isnt about instand results is it!
I am a conventional Farrier and your totally right about trimming from the top. I have created the opnion that the the wall ( ie a flare) should not be made thinner then 50% of is original thickness otherwhile the capsul loses its strenght and structure. Many barefooters and Farriers alike like to just rasp off flare wich looks good at the time but hoofcare isnt about instand results is it!
god was created by man. god is an idea. we are made up of energy the definition of god is the same as definition for energy therefore we are what we call god
@HaroldandMePictures i guess youll find out if thats true when you die. and you better hope youre right because hell sounds terrible. good luck partner.
Very good demonstration. I, too, do 95% of my trim from the bottom. The last thing I do is rasp from the top to remove any flare. When I do this, I rasp perpendicular to the plane of the sole, which is what you show in your video, but do not state succinctly in words. Thinning hoof wall may remove flare temporarily while the hoof is in the trimmer's hand, but it CAUSES flare as soon as the horse begins walking on the hoof with the weakened hoof wall.
I really enjoy the video's I started triming my horses and have alot of success using your methods I live in southern missouri not exactly dry all year here but with good hoof care it isnt the problem it use to be when we nailed shoes on everything.
Naw, wall removal "causing deformity" is not why many of the horses in my practice have and do wear shoes. It goes much deeper. It's been my observation that asymmetrical "deformities" are most always due to weight bearing and conformation, dominant limbs and lead, grazing stances and captivity. Often a "deformed" foot even when trimmed only from the bottom and rolled, or left to its own devices is a "naturaly" formed foot. Looking for clues beyond, below and above the digit reveals answers.
Thankyou for the wisdom of experience. Since I made this video, I have learned much more and fully realize that what you say is true. However take what you said, along WITH rasping down the wall and you add insult to injury. Also just rapsing down the wall too thin, too high and too often can cause varrius types of deformities, in and of itself.
There are many variables, one size does not fit all. But most deformities are man made, either through neglect, or trimming and shoeing errors.
OH...you have no idea what I had to go through to get that accomplished. FIRST I had to make a time machine. Then I went back hundreds of years, and infiltrated farrier schools disguised as a man. Became a teacher and assimilated a lot of flase information. That way hundreds of years in the future, they wouldn't know how to trim, advise clients. I just got lucky on the fact this one did not recognize laminitis.
Then I had to go back again, create a dust bowl in the midwest and displace a lot of farmers to california. And get the government to introduce Fescue grass (the worst grass for horses) as a cover crop to hold down the top soil. Then I had to wait for just all these things to come together and blow that horses feet off, and make sure the owner didn't have the resources to even try and fix the horse. Then...only then could I kill the horse and make the video.
...when you were back in time did you mess with the Bible? Cuz I have been preachin` to my horse and I don`t think she`s saved. There`s no denying she`s a heathen. She doesn't trust all the bible translations. She is a stickler for details. Although she does enjoy your videos. She wants me to try this Swedish approach, claims my farrier studied in Turkey under the supervision of old Nazis. We`re gonna watch the rest of your channel and learn some more things to tick off our shoer. Thanks
Well you know, that even the "creation" itself shall be delivered from it's bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God, and your horse is part of that creation. The greatest teacher is as YOU KNOW the Lord himself since "in him we live and move and have our being." The "translation" of the hoof is similar to that of the Bible, no one man or group of men is "unbiased", Get knowledge and get widsom and with all thy getting get "understanding".
I have lightened up on farriers, there are some good ones out there "some". And I've realized that natural barefoot trimming does not have all the answers either. Don't want to just jump out of sone denomination into another thinking any man has all the answers. But I have never found any subject where the people and subject are so like our stuggle to find the truth of God's Word as this one. It's very comparitive in many ways.
god was created by man. god is an idea. we are made up of energy the definition of god is the same as definition for energy therefore we are what we call god
a horse with a long toe" is cause by not having an arch in the quarters...the hoof gets pushed forward and hence the longer toe.....this hoofcare thing is becoming a no brainer......as soon as u understand the results of "overgrowth.of the natural/normal hoof shape..hi heels cause unnatural lamina pressure and separation. because the coffin bone suspended in tissue and blood and the un natural hoof angle....this is getting simpler alll the time.......isnt it?
Leave trimming and shoeing to the pros. The toes grow longer not because of the quarters not being floated but because the keratin horn tubules grow disto-dorsally- that's down and forward for you ignorant so-called trimmers. If you knew what a live sole plane was and could properly dress a foot, you would not have long toes and low heels unless you have a horse with improper conformation or the owner is ignorant enough to have allowed you underneath his horse.
isn't long toe growth also related to hoof wall seperation from the laminae, thus showing what you call thickened white line causing the hoof wall to "push out" and elongate
Dragoo77, I understand your point, but you have forgotten one factor, you were not born trimming and shoeing, you had to learn like the rest of us. In my honest opinion, to become a pro at something is to simply have the will to learn. Thx. for addressing key points to what some of us need to understand.
this lady is right..........just listen and try what shes telling ya.....you wont be disappointed.........prove it to yourself like i did.......the sweedish hoof school methods are totally PROVEN TO BE CORRECT.. im been convinced for many years....now just listen AND learn something NEW ,,,DO IT FOR YOUR HORSES.!
When you have spent 5 years of you life in an appentice ship and at college. (Thats farrier school to you). And learn and studdy the equine anatomy not just the foot. Insteed of 2 weeks on the internet. You might be qualified to have an oppinion on farriers and farriery(thats farreisum to you) Farriers can call themselves proffessionals which is something you can never do.
There are "some" great farriers, but they didn't get that way from the common farrier schools,....though they may have started there. They got there by thinking outside the typical farrier school box, and moving on past the typical traditional errors taught there. One specific one is Chris Minick who has a site called Farrier Art. It dose not matter how long you've done something or what school you went to if you were taught wrong.
You've been "apprenticing" for FIVE YEARS, wow, I didn't know this was brain surgery. I know a gal did some messages on here, that had apprenticed for SEVEN years, and been on her own for 3. She went oall the right schools et. Yet she did not know how to grow out or fix what she called an "elongated toe". this is why we see so many horses with excessivly long toes, who have been being done "professionally".
And also for your information, I really do respect someone who is very skilled in farrier art. I just am really fed up with they MYRADS of farriers out there who can't put a good foot on a horse, and don't understand how what they do or don't do, causes deformed hoof capsils. Then they just keep coming up with another kind of shoe to try and fix what they screwed up to begin with.
Well thanks for pointing out about my spelling, i ll try and be more careful in future. I hope you are successful in what ever career path you choose. Feel free to point out any mistakes i may make in the future. Take care its been fun.
Hey just looked you up on your you tube thing. I cant belive someone as young an seemingly pritty as you is ever bored. Life is far to short to be bored. My days are somethimes 20 hours long cos i fill them with stuff. Anyway thats my advice for wot its worth. Take care. G
Gosh, this woman is talking sense, my farrier decided to "remodel" my foundered pony and his feet completely buckled!! They flared out like banana skins and they had been stable (post founder) for months and months!!!!
So sorry for your poor pony. Farriers also call it "dressing down the wall" or "Dressing up the wall". Rasp it down to make it "look" pretty, and "look" healthy when it's really not. A true "remodel" is one that is "grown" not rasped or or basically carved. I've grown out foundered feet, to look healthy and normal, but it took a year or more to get all the issues taken care of, to grow that way. See my vid, on the victory over laminitis.
Interesting. I've been doing barefoot trims on my 2 horses for 10 years. I've dabbled in other types of barefoot trimming, but always seem to come back to Gene Ovniceks guidelines, where I started. I agree, that the TFTT is problematic...if your goal is to have the hoof wall not be as weight bearing, a good bevel or mustang roll is all you need, if kept up often enough. Any flare should grow out. Give it time.
Good vid, and good on ya for being able to learn as you go.
do you think the romans shod horses for fun? or a purpose? what a load of rubbish! maybe vairying breeds, environments and types of work play a huge role in shoeing? its not just mustangs and treking out there! just because some clever marketing says so!
No, the Romans shod horses because they had to barrel race on the weekends, and go to a few ropings or a dressage compitition. It's not cleaver marketing, I grew up arouind mustangs and ranch horses that were never shod, and rode hard. The more I get into the study of the hoof, the more I realize the problem is not actually with SHOES, but with SHOERS, and antiquated teachings and traditions in farrier schools.
Luckily I have a barefoot specialist work on my horse just as professional and educated as you are. I am so happy I turned away from conventional farriers doing barefoot trimming. After two trims with an exaggerated bevel, it has prevented and fixed my horse's flaring as well as a previous deformity from foundering in all four feet (well before I got him that conventional farriers NEVER fixed). I can't wait to see how his feet look after a few more trims!
That's awesome, I'm so glad your horse is being helped. It's amazing really and so simple in the long run. But farriers are taugtht that a roll or bevel is "dubbing", and that is a real NO NO, in the schools.
Really? That's rediculous. That could explain why a friend of mine's conventional farrier is so horrendous. He probably shapes the hoof to the shoe also -shudders-
Outstanding video - I have seen and experienced this type of trimming i.e. trimming the outer wall and the effects of the horses soundness was appalling. you have explained the disastrous effects of trimming the outer wall very clearly.
Thanks for posting this. I'm having a hard time finding a good reliable farrier. I feel like I'm at their mercy- and they don't like if I question things like that heavy rasping of the outer hoof halfway up. I'm thinking it might be a good idea to go to school and learn how to do this myself.
Your story is so typical! These guys "think" they work for "themselves"..ha..ha...ha. That's the way most of them treat their clients. There is an EXPOLSION of owners learning to trim, many times out of "self defence" . YOU CAN DO THIS! There are clinics that teach owners how to do it. Of course not all trim methods are created equal, as you see I got into one that was very damaging. But if you learn a few basics balance and no wall rasping, you'll do fine.
I have watched the TFTT videos on youtube, as well as a few podcasts, and not one of them trims more than the bottom portion of the hoof. I have not seen one video where trimming of hte entire hoof wall is recommended.
I am just about to watch P2 of your video, so maybe that will contain more answers.
Sorry somehow I missed your comment. Thank you so much for shareing your experience. You might find a research study on what is called the eponychium very interesting as it relates to the periople and the human cuticle. As the hoof grows down the eponychium, emits a layer of periople, like human cuticle to seal and protect the hoof, keeping moistrue in and moisture out, as well as bactiera. it is also VERY hard, though very thin, and extremely sticky, which is what makes it adhear to the hoof.
The first line of protection, yet it's treated by farriers as non essential, they are taught to totallly remove it in many farrier schools to make the hoof look pretty and finished. I believe this begins a chain reaction, leading to a lot of hoof problems, this is a new learning curve I just experienced, a awesome study.
I've found lot of benefit from thinking "outside" the hoof, and looking for similarities in arcitecture, engeneering, human anatomy, wow, really opens your eyes, to the wonders of the hoof and the truth hidden within.
Some of the subjects I've studied and then related to the hoof, are retaining walls, arches and specifically domes, earthquake engeneering, and related thngs in human anatomy on finger and toe nails.
And lately interested in what they call on the horse the periople, did a word origins study on that and found fascinating things The Greeks and many ancieits who coined the words for these things, had a very scientific understanding of what they really were and their importance, and it can be seen in the origins or the words, going back through Latan into Greek. We assume man was ignorant and stupid and then got smart, I think the opposite is true, and can be seen in the origins of our words.
Notice the comment above after yours that says "This is a joke right?". This is an example of farriers who think people like you and I are idiots, have not brain, and need a farrier school to learn anything. Your trimming one horse for 5 years, in reality has brought you to a greater knowledge than all the psudofarrier science they got brainwashed with in school, because you've done it out of "love" for your horse, and everything they've done is based on money, ego and pride.
You are perfectly right about this. Weakening the hoof capsule by rasping the outer hoof wall is detrimental to the horse in many ways. I cant understand why some people keep doing this trim.
It's even worse than I thought when I did this video. I took and figured out exactly "what" and "how much" you were actually taking off, and it really was EXCESSIVE!!!! And especially with the TFTT they destroy all the supporting hoof which connects to the sole behind the wall. People keep doing it, because they really do not "see" as in ex-ray vision what they are really taking off and where, and why especially in that area it's so VITAL!
Their original trim wasn't bad, a pretty typical BT, but then Ruth Allison came up with this other trim, and Page Poss followed suit. Now they are making a "DVD"they can sell, and Kim Cassidy (irishcas) had what she called a "Teaser" posted on it and then took it off. But in it, they had marked a hoof over an inch high on the hoof wall. That really showed what they are taking off
They think they are forming a Mustang Roll, by rounding off the top exterrior part of the hoof. When is the last time any horse walked on the upper exterrior hoofwall, to bevel it's hooves. It's back assward thinking. It will eventually do a LOT of damage to a lot of horses. But like farriers, they blame the problems they have on the horse. You hear it in all Kim's videos. "Oh he's got a crooked leg." "Oh he's laminitic". "He's sure shaking and being a jerk today."
My gelding and some of the other horses I do, got to be difficult to trim. Always trying to take their foot away. These horses KNOW when your messing them up. Now they stand like statues. EVERY SINGLE ISSUE, she's having with her horse Finnigan, I had with my 4 year old gelding. Then when I quit doing that trim, all his issues cleared up. They rasp down the wall, like a typical farrier, that comes to a horse that has all kinds of flares, and has to form it into something he can put a shoe on.
Only thing is the horse dose'nt even have a shoe to then hold his hoof together and keep him from bearing the total weight on his sole. Most of their pre-trim pictures, on horses they've done before show "BELL" flares. This is not a regular flare, rather it's cause from the inside out, taking away the hoof wall, and the weight of the horse makes the softer wall bulge from the inside.
How does one best post a warning about this warning?!? Trimming From The Top helped save my horse who was not simply transitioning to barefoot but also rehabbing from "navicular syndrome"! I recommend you ignore this 'lame' diatribe and turn to a reliable source such as Pete Ramey or other AHA members (like I did)! Knowing just how much good TFTT can do I feel forced to speak out, especially since no TFTT trimmer will likely stoop so low as to reply (and you may otherwise be badly misled)!
I am sincerely glad that it helped your particular horse. But there is a reason for why that specific trim helped in your specific case, regarding navicular, and why that trim is damaging to healthy hooves. I will breifly try to explain why, in the posts below.
Navicular horses are prone to contracted hooves. Sometimes it's the contraction itself that causes the pain. Once the contraction is dealt with and the hoof opened up, much of the pain goes away.
However not all horses have contracted hooves or navicular. Drastic rasping of the hoofwall weakens the wall so that on a contracted hoof it will decontract. But rasping down the wall on a normal hoof in the same manner will lead to all kinds of other pathilogical hoof deformities.
The fact is that rasping down the wall like that is recommended specifically for navicular horses in farrier science to decontract the hooves. So if it's recommended to decontract the hoof, then what do you think the same action will do to a normal sized symetrical hoof?
I have since I made these videos aquired a horse for free since he's lame and has navicular in his right front hoof. One hoof is severly contracted or what is called "hoofbound". So in his case I am specifically rasping down his hoofwall, so that the hoof will basicaly "fall apart" and decontract.
But I would not want to do that to my other horse, who's hooves are finally overcoming the effects of TFTT, one of which was producing an asymetrical hoof pathology and serrious imbalance because of it.
All their horses show some type of flare, in their "before" pictures. And Kim Cassady who's part of that group, and has a video on TFTT on youtube, talks about fighting flares and hooves growing wierd. It's that trim that causes that.
I understand why you would think the way you do, due to your experience. But you do not have all the facts, and perhaps to not really understand the anatomy of the hoof wall and it's purpose, and what happens when you rasp down that wall on a continual basis.
I'm glad you see the benefit of TFTT for 'navicular' horses. But their hoof mechanism appears far more vulnerable to wall weakness--in part, due to their contracted heels--so to my mind it's your theory (and NOT the feet of healthier horses) that falls apart when it comes to TFTT. As a result, I recommend you take YOUR 'navicular' horse to Kim Cassidy (or another reliable TFTT trimmer) and let them show you how to properly trim from the top. You're obviously not doing something correctly!
I'm sorry if my earlier post was at all offensive. And please don't take what I'm saying too personally. It's the horses I'm worried about, and what's in their best interests, and how if we all come together we can best serve those interests. You've obviously got their interests in mind and I'm thinking if you only have a better learning opportunity it might help!
That's ok, it's easy to get offended on this thing and easy to become offensive, I've done it myself both ways. Are not words, even written words the most powerful thing. Thank you for wishing I had a better learning opportunity. That of course would mean "money", for the most part, to pay someone to teach me, money to travel, money to buy 500.00 disk sets. Money to stay in a hotel, and money to eat, and still be able to feed myself, pay my bills and feed my horses.
Even if I could do all that, who's to say I'd pick the right one? And who's to say that these people are unflawed and have all the answers? These gals I am sure are well meaning, but they are supposed to be experts and do not even recognize the difference between flairs. What's more at this point, you probably couldn't even tell them, because now they are famous.
That's part of the reason for the online group I mentioned--because none of us have all the answers but many of us want to learn, and I don't think anyone in barefoothorsecare thinks they know it all. That's why they belong to the group... to learn!
Where in your other posts did you mention an online group? I also get the impression you think I'm "just" learning this stuff, as in still a novice. I can see why you might think that due to some of the content of the warning video. Have you watched any of my other videos? Groups are fine, but no one needs to join a group to learn, though we can and do of course learn from others. We learn both truth and error.
A horse hoof will always be slightly wider on the outside half than on the inside because most horses bear more weight on the inside of their hooves which creates a slightly, I stress slightly... straighter hoof wall. I also don't agree with trimming too much dorsal hoof wall either.
Thanks, I'd been wondering about not only the bearing of weight but what about "landing"? Do they land slightly on the inside too, and then go to the outside or the other way around? I don't think they land completely square and evenly on their heels, as least from the videos I've been trying to study. But am not sure yet, haven't had the time, to research that? What say you?
Most horses will move heel to toe with a slide phase between the landing and the weight shift. But some horses will have a conformation issue that can make them land differently. The process is normally like this. Landing/slide/weight shift/then break over.
After I learned that rasping down the hoof wall was compromising the integrity of the hoof, I removed the trimming from the top videos I had on here. I have watched 3 other people on youtube trim from the top, and except for the fact that at least two of them never check medial, lateral balance they do what I was doing. One individual as her letter to me stated is a "personal friend" of Page Poss where the method came from. So if I wasn't doing it right then neither is she.
My question to you is, if the videos I did are not on here, and you haven't seen me trim from the top, then how do you know I wasn't trimming correctly according to the method? And what then did I do wrong as far as your knowledge of the issue?
I just went and looked at the instructions on the web site, to make sure I was doing it according to their instructions. All the pictures show rasping down the outer hoof wall from 1/3 to 1/2 the way down. Some of the horses are ones they've done before, and the post trim pics show bell flares, which is what rasping down the wall produces. Compromising the wall like that is what makes their horses feet fall apart in the wet season. I never had that problem till I did that trim.
Again I watched the trim from the top on Youtube by Kim Cassady, this time I caught something I had not caught before, which is their "interpretation" of the mustang roll. They are rolling from the top and calling this a mustang roll. Horses do not wear a roll from the top, they wear it from the bottom. When they are done with this trim, there is very little thickness of hoof wall for the horse to walk on. Wild horses have thick hoof walls that are rolled from the bottom.
Stick with the RAMEY methods.. been doing it for YEARS now... it works!
FrankCastle1958 5 months ago
Idiot.
spurrit 6 months ago
@spurrit Coming from you, that's a compliment.
thehappyhoof 6 months ago
good video, BUT i realy dont think you should have youse a hoof like that............ i was about to go away from the video and i think others have before me and have missed the hoal point...
tantejohan 7 months ago
good video! it seems like you get caught up in fads tho, just be careful about that. Most of your information is correct but some is also i little off, but all in all I am very glad that you see the dangers in trimming from the top!
bradsnyder1 8 months ago
@bradsnyder1 I know what you mean about caught up in fads, and I havent' watched this for a few years, so I'm sure I'm off somewhere. Lately I've had some things really come together and am chomping at the bit to finally do some more videos. Happy Trimming.
thehappyhoof 8 months ago
@thehappyhoof Great stuff! I'm a horse lover and owner, tame my own colts and friends' out here in Spain (Europe, sorry to doubt your geog. just wanna set the picture). I am reading and learning about hoofcare and appreciate your experience, thank you. I can never stop being surprised at how many frustrated or bored americans bicker at each other on the Tube. Jealousy is terrible, ignorance even worse and to hear a lady tell people how they COULD do well is just too much for some. Good luck!
akanewe 7 months ago
You do a FANTASTIC job of explaining barefoot trimming. Been trimming my own for yrs now. Was forced to after going through 2 farriers that just didn't pay attention over a 15-yr span. Went through splits all the way up to the coronet band, cracks, etc. One got angry when I suggested he do it differently - parted ways at that! Anyway, don't pay attention to these weirdos that post mean-spirited comments. You're doing a great job. Keep it up - for those of us that "get it". :)
3ltlmen 8 months ago
This is a trade and a craft equal to that of an podiatrist. Not backyard laymen with a couple of tools and a tutorial or two. You have no business trying to educate folks on trimming with a dead foot from a horse that could have been saved by a well trained vet-farrier team. This misinformation is damaging for the welfare of horses everywhere.
gerickson100 10 months ago
@gerickson100 don't be a piece of shit and call someone a dumbass because her way isnt your way. She didnt say do this on every horse, on every hoof no matter what the problem is.
mtalseth 10 months ago
Thank you happy hoof for sharing this video. I appreciate you sharing your experiences. It makes perfect sence to me that the outer wall of a hoof is set up to protect and strengthen the hoof design. I have gleened helpful truth from your video.
worthyisthelamb123 10 months ago
I have had horses for over 20 years and believe that a horse should go barefoot all the time when possiable. Any good ferrier will not rasp the outside of the hoof and shoes should fit the horse not the horse fit the shoe. I had a horse that are tenderfooted on the front and needed to have shoes on the front so that he can be ridden. this horse was trimed properly (like you trim). Some times shoes are needed but they need to be put on right. shoes should be used only if they are needed
jozie1992 11 months ago
Is that a real horse hoof?!?
Horsegal143 1 year ago
i live in wild horse country......i seen hundreds of new foals born with horseshoes on some ever were born with heartbars.....ill try to get somepics
buddymacs 1 year ago
Barefoot trimming all the way!!!! I will never EVER get any of my horses shod. What is natural to the horse, is what is best for the horse :)
Andrea9514 1 year ago
@shoerripper I'm an imbicil to you because I speak the truth, and you have come to learn a lot of error and lies in your profession, based on ignornace and tradition rather than true science. There are a LOT of imbicils like me out there, their called "HORSE OWNERS"...you know the people that pay you to know what you are talking about, and are finding out that in many cases you don't.
feedtheflockofgod 1 year ago
I noticed the signs of laminitis when I was first called to trim the horse. I suggested that they call a vet. They said money was an issue, and that they would put the horse down.
I was realistic with them on how much it would cost. Explained ALL the options: rehab w/vet, taking the horse to a vet friend that keep and treat the horse and putting the horse down. Without advanced knowledge and skill, the horse will die a painful death.
gerickson100 1 year ago
If you have a horse with severe found and/or founder, please call me @ 970.556.9750.
gerickson100 1 year ago
Thanks for gathering your experiences in this video! Very helpful to me as I try to continue to learn how to properly trim my own horses...I had taken to trimming from the top as my own invention, but now I know better. p.s. Too funny when your dog throws up in the background...what are the odds?
thekingfishway 1 year ago
@thekingfishway My Dog thewup? wow, didn't even notice or maybe remember that (gettin old here). It's been over 3 years now since I quit trimming that way, and it's taken all that time, to get my horses hooves straightend out.
thehappyhoof 1 year ago
who is singing in this video?
hyperfocus2011 1 year ago
umm im not a a farrier but i was wondering if that is a real hoof cause its not connected to a horse and its scaring me
ilovemyhorsegambler 1 year ago
@ilovemyhorsegambler its from a dead horse...
Delkolovr2 1 year ago
you're a retard....u shouldn't be aloud to touch a horses foot
ephesians54 1 year ago 4
@ephesians54 the horse passed away you retared get a clue they would not kill a horse for one foot god damn get a clue
Sammy123Mike 1 year ago
@ephesians54 Thanks for advertising what a lousy Christian you are and as TYPICAL making God look bad. I suppose your one of those "once saved always saved" that are deceived into thinking no matter what they do their going to heaven. Frankly your user name is an abomination in the eyes of God, and it's OBVIOUS you can't see a LICK OF TRUTH. Your's truly God's RETARD.
thehappyhoof 1 year ago
Maybe you ought to go actually READ Ephesians 5:4.
thehappyhoof 1 year ago 2
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I am a conventional Farrier and your totally right about trimming from the top. I have created the opnion that the the wall ( ie a flare) should not be made thinner then 50% of is original thickness otherwhile the capsul loses its strenght and structure. Many barefooters and Farriers alike like to just rasp off flare wich looks good at the time but hoofcare isnt about instand results is it!
gemtwist49 1 year ago
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I am a conventional Farrier and your totally right about trimming from the top. I have created the opnion that the the wall ( ie a flare) should not be made thinner then 50% of is original thickness otherwhile the capsul loses its strenght and structure. Many barefooters and Farriers alike like to just rasp off flare wich looks good at the time but hoofcare isnt about instand results is it!
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gemtwist49 1 year ago
I am a conventional Farrier and your totally right about trimming from the top. I have created the opnion that the the wall ( ie a flare) should not be made thinner then 50% of is original thickness otherwhile the capsul loses its strenght and structure. Many barefooters and Farriers alike like to just rasp off flare wich looks good at the time but hoofcare isnt about instand results is it!
gemtwist49 1 year ago
god was created by man. god is an idea. we are made up of energy the definition of god is the same as definition for energy therefore we are what we call god
HaroldandMePictures 1 year ago
@HaroldandMePictures i guess youll find out if thats true when you die. and you better hope youre right because hell sounds terrible. good luck partner.
mtalseth 10 months ago
Very good demonstration. I, too, do 95% of my trim from the bottom. The last thing I do is rasp from the top to remove any flare. When I do this, I rasp perpendicular to the plane of the sole, which is what you show in your video, but do not state succinctly in words. Thinning hoof wall may remove flare temporarily while the hoof is in the trimmer's hand, but it CAUSES flare as soon as the horse begins walking on the hoof with the weakened hoof wall.
Thanks for posting this video.
-Eric
muleteammate 1 year ago
I really enjoy the video's I started triming my horses and have alot of success using your methods I live in southern missouri not exactly dry all year here but with good hoof care it isnt the problem it use to be when we nailed shoes on everything.
freedom8464 1 year ago
lady, you know just enough to be dangerous
AFACF 2 years ago
looks like you took a bit much off that one,. haha
bumtits135 2 years ago
Yeah, but they are sure easier to do,. haha...
thehappyhoof 2 years ago
Naw, wall removal "causing deformity" is not why many of the horses in my practice have and do wear shoes. It goes much deeper. It's been my observation that asymmetrical "deformities" are most always due to weight bearing and conformation, dominant limbs and lead, grazing stances and captivity. Often a "deformed" foot even when trimmed only from the bottom and rolled, or left to its own devices is a "naturaly" formed foot. Looking for clues beyond, below and above the digit reveals answers.
SlingerDun 2 years ago
Thankyou for the wisdom of experience. Since I made this video, I have learned much more and fully realize that what you say is true. However take what you said, along WITH rasping down the wall and you add insult to injury. Also just rapsing down the wall too thin, too high and too often can cause varrius types of deformities, in and of itself.
There are many variables, one size does not fit all. But most deformities are man made, either through neglect, or trimming and shoeing errors.
thehappyhoof 2 years ago
I cant believe you killed Kat Dancer to make this video!
HoofSupport 2 years ago
OH...you have no idea what I had to go through to get that accomplished. FIRST I had to make a time machine. Then I went back hundreds of years, and infiltrated farrier schools disguised as a man. Became a teacher and assimilated a lot of flase information. That way hundreds of years in the future, they wouldn't know how to trim, advise clients. I just got lucky on the fact this one did not recognize laminitis.
thehappyhoof 2 years ago
Then I had to go back again, create a dust bowl in the midwest and displace a lot of farmers to california. And get the government to introduce Fescue grass (the worst grass for horses) as a cover crop to hold down the top soil. Then I had to wait for just all these things to come together and blow that horses feet off, and make sure the owner didn't have the resources to even try and fix the horse. Then...only then could I kill the horse and make the video.
thehappyhoof 2 years ago
...when you were back in time did you mess with the Bible? Cuz I have been preachin` to my horse and I don`t think she`s saved. There`s no denying she`s a heathen. She doesn't trust all the bible translations. She is a stickler for details. Although she does enjoy your videos. She wants me to try this Swedish approach, claims my farrier studied in Turkey under the supervision of old Nazis. We`re gonna watch the rest of your channel and learn some more things to tick off our shoer. Thanks
seller559 2 years ago
Well you know, that even the "creation" itself shall be delivered from it's bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God, and your horse is part of that creation. The greatest teacher is as YOU KNOW the Lord himself since "in him we live and move and have our being." The "translation" of the hoof is similar to that of the Bible, no one man or group of men is "unbiased", Get knowledge and get widsom and with all thy getting get "understanding".
thehappyhoof 2 years ago
I have lightened up on farriers, there are some good ones out there "some". And I've realized that natural barefoot trimming does not have all the answers either. Don't want to just jump out of sone denomination into another thinking any man has all the answers. But I have never found any subject where the people and subject are so like our stuggle to find the truth of God's Word as this one. It's very comparitive in many ways.
thehappyhoof 2 years ago
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god was created by man. god is an idea. we are made up of energy the definition of god is the same as definition for energy therefore we are what we call god
HaroldandMePictures 1 year ago
Thankyou for sharing this important piece of information. Nice video
kseminole 2 years ago
a horse with a long toe" is cause by not having an arch in the quarters...the hoof gets pushed forward and hence the longer toe.....this hoofcare thing is becoming a no brainer......as soon as u understand the results of "overgrowth.of the natural/normal hoof shape..hi heels cause unnatural lamina pressure and separation. because the coffin bone suspended in tissue and blood and the un natural hoof angle....this is getting simpler alll the time.......isnt it?
buddymacs 2 years ago
Leave trimming and shoeing to the pros. The toes grow longer not because of the quarters not being floated but because the keratin horn tubules grow disto-dorsally- that's down and forward for you ignorant so-called trimmers. If you knew what a live sole plane was and could properly dress a foot, you would not have long toes and low heels unless you have a horse with improper conformation or the owner is ignorant enough to have allowed you underneath his horse.
dragoo77 2 years ago
isn't long toe growth also related to hoof wall seperation from the laminae, thus showing what you call thickened white line causing the hoof wall to "push out" and elongate
erajinete 2 years ago
Dragoo77, I understand your point, but you have forgotten one factor, you were not born trimming and shoeing, you had to learn like the rest of us. In my honest opinion, to become a pro at something is to simply have the will to learn. Thx. for addressing key points to what some of us need to understand.
HaterAce 2 years ago
this lady is right..........just listen and try what shes telling ya.....you wont be disappointed.........prove it to yourself like i did.......the sweedish hoof school methods are totally PROVEN TO BE CORRECT.. im been convinced for many years....now just listen AND learn something NEW ,,,DO IT FOR YOUR HORSES.!
buddymacs 2 years ago
I'm happy to see how many viewings you have gotten--good stuff here!
rockymtnhorsegal 2 years ago
WOW! I hadn't been over here for a while, I'm shocked! Susan Boyle ...watchout...he,he.
thehappyhoof 2 years ago
It makes me laugh,gsh39 says she/he has had 5 years at college yet she/he cant spell for nuts! "studdy, oppinion, appentice, insteed," what a dork.
no1horselover 2 years ago
is dat a really horse foot
yaialbe 2 years ago
all i want to know is where you get the leg from lol
likethatcuzo 2 years ago
When you have spent 5 years of you life in an appentice ship and at college. (Thats farrier school to you). And learn and studdy the equine anatomy not just the foot. Insteed of 2 weeks on the internet. You might be qualified to have an oppinion on farriers and farriery(thats farreisum to you) Farriers can call themselves proffessionals which is something you can never do.
gsh39 2 years ago
There are "some" great farriers, but they didn't get that way from the common farrier schools,....though they may have started there. They got there by thinking outside the typical farrier school box, and moving on past the typical traditional errors taught there. One specific one is Chris Minick who has a site called Farrier Art. It dose not matter how long you've done something or what school you went to if you were taught wrong.
thehappyhoof 2 years ago
You've been "apprenticing" for FIVE YEARS, wow, I didn't know this was brain surgery. I know a gal did some messages on here, that had apprenticed for SEVEN years, and been on her own for 3. She went oall the right schools et. Yet she did not know how to grow out or fix what she called an "elongated toe". this is why we see so many horses with excessivly long toes, who have been being done "professionally".
thehappyhoof 2 years ago
And also for your information, I really do respect someone who is very skilled in farrier art. I just am really fed up with they MYRADS of farriers out there who can't put a good foot on a horse, and don't understand how what they do or don't do, causes deformed hoof capsils. Then they just keep coming up with another kind of shoe to try and fix what they screwed up to begin with.
thehappyhoof 2 years ago
how could you have spet 5 years in college and not be able to spell?
im a freshamn in high school and i can spell better than you. Weird. :/
xxBlackVeilBridexx 2 years ago
im glad you can spell better than me. But can you shoe a horse. I doubt it. Im a very busy and respected farrier so I must be doing something right.
gsh39 2 years ago
you must be.
but spelling isnt one of them.
xxBlackVeilBridexx 2 years ago
Well thanks for pointing out about my spelling, i ll try and be more careful in future. I hope you are successful in what ever career path you choose. Feel free to point out any mistakes i may make in the future. Take care its been fun.
gsh39 2 years ago
woah!
i spelt things wrong!!!
*spent* *freshman*
there we go :)
xxBlackVeilBridexx 2 years ago
ha ha i wish ide said something now. I thought you d done it deliberately sort of a humour thing. Oh well none of us r perfect.
gsh39 2 years ago
yeahhhh
xD
xxBlackVeilBridexx 2 years ago
Hey just looked you up on your you tube thing. I cant belive someone as young an seemingly pritty as you is ever bored. Life is far to short to be bored. My days are somethimes 20 hours long cos i fill them with stuff. Anyway thats my advice for wot its worth. Take care. G
gsh39 2 years ago
well thank you haha.
its just summer vacation haha. school is always the best. :D
thanks for the advice haha
xxBlackVeilBridexx 2 years ago
Gosh, this woman is talking sense, my farrier decided to "remodel" my foundered pony and his feet completely buckled!! They flared out like banana skins and they had been stable (post founder) for months and months!!!!
The hooves just collapsed!
CatalinaAVX 2 years ago
So sorry for your poor pony. Farriers also call it "dressing down the wall" or "Dressing up the wall". Rasp it down to make it "look" pretty, and "look" healthy when it's really not. A true "remodel" is one that is "grown" not rasped or or basically carved. I've grown out foundered feet, to look healthy and normal, but it took a year or more to get all the issues taken care of, to grow that way. See my vid, on the victory over laminitis.
thehappyhoof 2 years ago
Interesting. I've been doing barefoot trims on my 2 horses for 10 years. I've dabbled in other types of barefoot trimming, but always seem to come back to Gene Ovniceks guidelines, where I started. I agree, that the TFTT is problematic...if your goal is to have the hoof wall not be as weight bearing, a good bevel or mustang roll is all you need, if kept up often enough. Any flare should grow out. Give it time.
Good vid, and good on ya for being able to learn as you go.
e1p12007 2 years ago
do you think the romans shod horses for fun? or a purpose? what a load of rubbish! maybe vairying breeds, environments and types of work play a huge role in shoeing? its not just mustangs and treking out there! just because some clever marketing says so!
erno10011 2 years ago
No, the Romans shod horses because they had to barrel race on the weekends, and go to a few ropings or a dressage compitition. It's not cleaver marketing, I grew up arouind mustangs and ranch horses that were never shod, and rode hard. The more I get into the study of the hoof, the more I realize the problem is not actually with SHOES, but with SHOERS, and antiquated teachings and traditions in farrier schools.
thehappyhoof 2 years ago
Did this demo hoof have laminitis? Just outta curiosity, noticing the coronet band and the toe rocker...
IIIBarsV 2 years ago
Yes, and she is in the other videos on the Tragedy of Laminitis.
thehappyhoof 2 years ago
Luckily I have a barefoot specialist work on my horse just as professional and educated as you are. I am so happy I turned away from conventional farriers doing barefoot trimming. After two trims with an exaggerated bevel, it has prevented and fixed my horse's flaring as well as a previous deformity from foundering in all four feet (well before I got him that conventional farriers NEVER fixed). I can't wait to see how his feet look after a few more trims!
canterpir0uette 2 years ago
That's awesome, I'm so glad your horse is being helped. It's amazing really and so simple in the long run. But farriers are taugtht that a roll or bevel is "dubbing", and that is a real NO NO, in the schools.
thehappyhoof 2 years ago
Really? That's rediculous. That could explain why a friend of mine's conventional farrier is so horrendous. He probably shapes the hoof to the shoe also -shudders-
canterpir0uette 2 years ago
Outstanding video - I have seen and experienced this type of trimming i.e. trimming the outer wall and the effects of the horses soundness was appalling. you have explained the disastrous effects of trimming the outer wall very clearly.
Sarah Bell (UK)
SNHorsecare 2 years ago
Thanks Sarah, I'm so glad to hear from people who have seen the same thing, and come to these conclusions. It really encourages me.
Blssings.
el
thehappyhoof 2 years ago
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joeysoliver 3 years ago
Thanks for posting this. I'm having a hard time finding a good reliable farrier. I feel like I'm at their mercy- and they don't like if I question things like that heavy rasping of the outer hoof halfway up. I'm thinking it might be a good idea to go to school and learn how to do this myself.
vivaloriflamme 3 years ago
Your story is so typical! These guys "think" they work for "themselves"..ha..ha...ha. That's the way most of them treat their clients. There is an EXPOLSION of owners learning to trim, many times out of "self defence" . YOU CAN DO THIS! There are clinics that teach owners how to do it. Of course not all trim methods are created equal, as you see I got into one that was very damaging. But if you learn a few basics balance and no wall rasping, you'll do fine.
thehappyhoof 3 years ago
Hi.
I'm confused.
I have watched the TFTT videos on youtube, as well as a few podcasts, and not one of them trims more than the bottom portion of the hoof. I have not seen one video where trimming of hte entire hoof wall is recommended.
I am just about to watch P2 of your video, so maybe that will contain more answers.
parellichick 3 years ago
Sorry somehow I missed your comment. Thank you so much for shareing your experience. You might find a research study on what is called the eponychium very interesting as it relates to the periople and the human cuticle. As the hoof grows down the eponychium, emits a layer of periople, like human cuticle to seal and protect the hoof, keeping moistrue in and moisture out, as well as bactiera. it is also VERY hard, though very thin, and extremely sticky, which is what makes it adhear to the hoof.
thehappyhoof 3 years ago
The first line of protection, yet it's treated by farriers as non essential, they are taught to totallly remove it in many farrier schools to make the hoof look pretty and finished. I believe this begins a chain reaction, leading to a lot of hoof problems, this is a new learning curve I just experienced, a awesome study.
thehappyhoof 3 years ago
I've found lot of benefit from thinking "outside" the hoof, and looking for similarities in arcitecture, engeneering, human anatomy, wow, really opens your eyes, to the wonders of the hoof and the truth hidden within.
thehappyhoof 3 years ago
Some of the subjects I've studied and then related to the hoof, are retaining walls, arches and specifically domes, earthquake engeneering, and related thngs in human anatomy on finger and toe nails.
thehappyhoof 3 years ago
And lately interested in what they call on the horse the periople, did a word origins study on that and found fascinating things The Greeks and many ancieits who coined the words for these things, had a very scientific understanding of what they really were and their importance, and it can be seen in the origins or the words, going back through Latan into Greek. We assume man was ignorant and stupid and then got smart, I think the opposite is true, and can be seen in the origins of our words.
thehappyhoof 3 years ago
Notice the comment above after yours that says "This is a joke right?". This is an example of farriers who think people like you and I are idiots, have not brain, and need a farrier school to learn anything. Your trimming one horse for 5 years, in reality has brought you to a greater knowledge than all the psudofarrier science they got brainwashed with in school, because you've done it out of "love" for your horse, and everything they've done is based on money, ego and pride.
thehappyhoof 3 years ago
This video is a joke right????
jaminkindt 3 years ago
your point seems logical since horses in the wild would never have natural wear to their hoof wall.
eldrama1 3 years ago
You are perfectly right about this. Weakening the hoof capsule by rasping the outer hoof wall is detrimental to the horse in many ways. I cant understand why some people keep doing this trim.
jennyssissi 3 years ago
It's even worse than I thought when I did this video. I took and figured out exactly "what" and "how much" you were actually taking off, and it really was EXCESSIVE!!!! And especially with the TFTT they destroy all the supporting hoof which connects to the sole behind the wall. People keep doing it, because they really do not "see" as in ex-ray vision what they are really taking off and where, and why especially in that area it's so VITAL!
thehappyhoof 3 years ago
Their original trim wasn't bad, a pretty typical BT, but then Ruth Allison came up with this other trim, and Page Poss followed suit. Now they are making a "DVD"they can sell, and Kim Cassidy (irishcas) had what she called a "Teaser" posted on it and then took it off. But in it, they had marked a hoof over an inch high on the hoof wall. That really showed what they are taking off
thehappyhoof 3 years ago
They think they are forming a Mustang Roll, by rounding off the top exterrior part of the hoof. When is the last time any horse walked on the upper exterrior hoofwall, to bevel it's hooves. It's back assward thinking. It will eventually do a LOT of damage to a lot of horses. But like farriers, they blame the problems they have on the horse. You hear it in all Kim's videos. "Oh he's got a crooked leg." "Oh he's laminitic". "He's sure shaking and being a jerk today."
thehappyhoof 3 years ago
My gelding and some of the other horses I do, got to be difficult to trim. Always trying to take their foot away. These horses KNOW when your messing them up. Now they stand like statues. EVERY SINGLE ISSUE, she's having with her horse Finnigan, I had with my 4 year old gelding. Then when I quit doing that trim, all his issues cleared up. They rasp down the wall, like a typical farrier, that comes to a horse that has all kinds of flares, and has to form it into something he can put a shoe on.
thehappyhoof 3 years ago
Only thing is the horse dose'nt even have a shoe to then hold his hoof together and keep him from bearing the total weight on his sole. Most of their pre-trim pictures, on horses they've done before show "BELL" flares. This is not a regular flare, rather it's cause from the inside out, taking away the hoof wall, and the weight of the horse makes the softer wall bulge from the inside.
thehappyhoof 3 years ago
Ok, Ok, I'm starting to rant, better go.
thehappyhoof 3 years ago
tack!!
thehappyhoof 3 years ago
How does one best post a warning about this warning?!? Trimming From The Top helped save my horse who was not simply transitioning to barefoot but also rehabbing from "navicular syndrome"! I recommend you ignore this 'lame' diatribe and turn to a reliable source such as Pete Ramey or other AHA members (like I did)! Knowing just how much good TFTT can do I feel forced to speak out, especially since no TFTT trimmer will likely stoop so low as to reply (and you may otherwise be badly misled)!
evkossoff 3 years ago
I am sincerely glad that it helped your particular horse. But there is a reason for why that specific trim helped in your specific case, regarding navicular, and why that trim is damaging to healthy hooves. I will breifly try to explain why, in the posts below.
thehappyhoof 3 years ago
Navicular horses are prone to contracted hooves. Sometimes it's the contraction itself that causes the pain. Once the contraction is dealt with and the hoof opened up, much of the pain goes away.
thehappyhoof 3 years ago
However not all horses have contracted hooves or navicular. Drastic rasping of the hoofwall weakens the wall so that on a contracted hoof it will decontract. But rasping down the wall on a normal hoof in the same manner will lead to all kinds of other pathilogical hoof deformities.
thehappyhoof 3 years ago
The fact is that rasping down the wall like that is recommended specifically for navicular horses in farrier science to decontract the hooves. So if it's recommended to decontract the hoof, then what do you think the same action will do to a normal sized symetrical hoof?
thehappyhoof 3 years ago
I have since I made these videos aquired a horse for free since he's lame and has navicular in his right front hoof. One hoof is severly contracted or what is called "hoofbound". So in his case I am specifically rasping down his hoofwall, so that the hoof will basicaly "fall apart" and decontract.
thehappyhoof 3 years ago
But I would not want to do that to my other horse, who's hooves are finally overcoming the effects of TFTT, one of which was producing an asymetrical hoof pathology and serrious imbalance because of it.
thehappyhoof 3 years ago
All their horses show some type of flare, in their "before" pictures. And Kim Cassady who's part of that group, and has a video on TFTT on youtube, talks about fighting flares and hooves growing wierd. It's that trim that causes that.
thehappyhoof 3 years ago
I understand why you would think the way you do, due to your experience. But you do not have all the facts, and perhaps to not really understand the anatomy of the hoof wall and it's purpose, and what happens when you rasp down that wall on a continual basis.
thehappyhoof 3 years ago
I'm glad you see the benefit of TFTT for 'navicular' horses. But their hoof mechanism appears far more vulnerable to wall weakness--in part, due to their contracted heels--so to my mind it's your theory (and NOT the feet of healthier horses) that falls apart when it comes to TFTT. As a result, I recommend you take YOUR 'navicular' horse to Kim Cassidy (or another reliable TFTT trimmer) and let them show you how to properly trim from the top. You're obviously not doing something correctly!
evkossoff 3 years ago
Sorry if I've offended your religion.
thehappyhoof 3 years ago
I'm sorry if my earlier post was at all offensive. And please don't take what I'm saying too personally. It's the horses I'm worried about, and what's in their best interests, and how if we all come together we can best serve those interests. You've obviously got their interests in mind and I'm thinking if you only have a better learning opportunity it might help!
evkossoff 3 years ago
That's ok, it's easy to get offended on this thing and easy to become offensive, I've done it myself both ways. Are not words, even written words the most powerful thing. Thank you for wishing I had a better learning opportunity. That of course would mean "money", for the most part, to pay someone to teach me, money to travel, money to buy 500.00 disk sets. Money to stay in a hotel, and money to eat, and still be able to feed myself, pay my bills and feed my horses.
thehappyhoof 3 years ago
Even if I could do all that, who's to say I'd pick the right one? And who's to say that these people are unflawed and have all the answers? These gals I am sure are well meaning, but they are supposed to be experts and do not even recognize the difference between flairs. What's more at this point, you probably couldn't even tell them, because now they are famous.
thehappyhoof 3 years ago
That's part of the reason for the online group I mentioned--because none of us have all the answers but many of us want to learn, and I don't think anyone in barefoothorsecare thinks they know it all. That's why they belong to the group... to learn!
evkossoff 3 years ago
Where in your other posts did you mention an online group? I also get the impression you think I'm "just" learning this stuff, as in still a novice. I can see why you might think that due to some of the content of the warning video. Have you watched any of my other videos? Groups are fine, but no one needs to join a group to learn, though we can and do of course learn from others. We learn both truth and error.
thehappyhoof 3 years ago
A horse hoof will always be slightly wider on the outside half than on the inside because most horses bear more weight on the inside of their hooves which creates a slightly, I stress slightly... straighter hoof wall. I also don't agree with trimming too much dorsal hoof wall either.
fleetwindflyy 3 years ago
Thanks, I'd been wondering about not only the bearing of weight but what about "landing"? Do they land slightly on the inside too, and then go to the outside or the other way around? I don't think they land completely square and evenly on their heels, as least from the videos I've been trying to study. But am not sure yet, haven't had the time, to research that? What say you?
thehappyhoof 3 years ago
Most horses will move heel to toe with a slide phase between the landing and the weight shift. But some horses will have a conformation issue that can make them land differently. The process is normally like this. Landing/slide/weight shift/then break over.
fleetwindflyy 3 years ago
Not to be rude, but you weren't trimming correctly from the top. Don't blame the trim method for your misinterpretation.
barnkitty 3 years ago
After I learned that rasping down the hoof wall was compromising the integrity of the hoof, I removed the trimming from the top videos I had on here. I have watched 3 other people on youtube trim from the top, and except for the fact that at least two of them never check medial, lateral balance they do what I was doing. One individual as her letter to me stated is a "personal friend" of Page Poss where the method came from. So if I wasn't doing it right then neither is she.
thehappyhoof 3 years ago
My question to you is, if the videos I did are not on here, and you haven't seen me trim from the top, then how do you know I wasn't trimming correctly according to the method? And what then did I do wrong as far as your knowledge of the issue?
thehappyhoof 3 years ago
I just went and looked at the instructions on the web site, to make sure I was doing it according to their instructions. All the pictures show rasping down the outer hoof wall from 1/3 to 1/2 the way down. Some of the horses are ones they've done before, and the post trim pics show bell flares, which is what rasping down the wall produces. Compromising the wall like that is what makes their horses feet fall apart in the wet season. I never had that problem till I did that trim.
thehappyhoof 3 years ago
Again I watched the trim from the top on Youtube by Kim Cassady, this time I caught something I had not caught before, which is their "interpretation" of the mustang roll. They are rolling from the top and calling this a mustang roll. Horses do not wear a roll from the top, they wear it from the bottom. When they are done with this trim, there is very little thickness of hoof wall for the horse to walk on. Wild horses have thick hoof walls that are rolled from the bottom.
thehappyhoof 3 years ago