Graffiti: Social Deviance or Freedom of Expression?

[TheJAMROLE]

another point i would like to make is that most of the grafitti in this video is the only bad kind of grafitti its pictures like this that give grafitti a bad name. i would like to see what people would say if their was a picture of one of the thousands of beautiful grafitti murals around the world

[TheJAMROLE]

grafitti is an art not a crime the fact that ur uncle and grandad fought a war against hitler (which i will admit was very brave of them) doesnt mean that when i get some spray paint and express myself doesnt mean i want to offend your grandad and uncle i do it because i want to and because i can if you spend your life obeying every rule you are faced with you are just another victim of society like many others.if you do grafitti you are able to make something that makes an impression on society

[markmfos]

Racist graffiti or graffiti stating tht someone is a poof or a prick or whatever can get fucked, but wen someone has taken time and effort to put there name up then why get rid?

The wall they do it on probs originaly looked shit and wen the government try and scrub it out its usually really obvious and your left with a white wall and like a big blue patch.

Besides graffiti has became such a big part of culture and gives people a chance to get there name up and it IS an art form.

Also if it cost

[theLVD]

First of all, I don't need to know about the the Third Reich to be able to tell that you don't have a good point. You said "graffiti would be banned." It already is! Thats why its illegal. Just because its banned doesn't mean people will stop.

Second, graffiti is so minuscule compared to what WW2 accomplished that saying it was pointless is just retarded. You make graffiti sound like its worse than a Nazi regime!

Lastly, don't change the subject by correcting my grammar/spelling.

[rawallison]

Graffiti is both deviant and artistic expression. Graffiti is the method of artistically expressing oneself by defacing public property. This means that inherent in the act of artistic expression is the deviant act. The deviance is the point. To ask whether graffiti is "Social Deviance or Freedom of Expression" is disingenuous.

[Godophobe]

The video says "SOCIAL DEVIANCE OR FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION?" which of course is complete bollocks because of course it is social deviance (look up "deviance") and of course it is not freedom of expression because it is not freedom in any sense of the word. It is illegal, so freedom really isn't an applicable term.

[jellybelly903]

Good video, but i found the quotes from S. Cavan to be quite one-sided and biased against graffiti. Since the title includes the idea of "freedom of expression", u couldve put some quotes from members of the public etc.

[Godophobe]

My Father and Uncle fought the Nazis in WWII. I always think it's sad when they say that they would rather be under Hitler's rule now because everything they fought for is abused and defaced by people wishing to "express themselves". I hate graffiti because I know that true education does not produce the artists - graffiti is always a result of a ignorance, just like every other illegal act.

[jellybelly903]

@Godophobe Why don't you try doing some research on graffiti. You'll find that artists like Banksy graffiti to express opinions, such as a disdai for capitalism. The only thing he IS IGNORING is the law.. This makes him a rebel, not a ignoramus. Gay marriage is illegal, is this ignorant also? I think you are the ignorant one here.

[Godophobe]

@jellybelly903 We live in a democracy where laws are laws, and we all have to obey them. If Banksy breaks the law, then he is a criminal, not a rebel. If he were a rebel, then he would not hide away, afraid of getting caught, like a little baby. Gay marriage is not illegal, you moron, and gay people have been permitted to marry in the UK since December 2005. They are not allowed to marry in a Christian church but that doesn't mean it's illegal. GET WELL SOON, IGNORANT BUM-WIPE!

[jellybelly903]

@Godophobe You stray from the topic, yet again, by picking on spelling, my own ignorance. I thought we were talking about Banksy here. But its further extension into irrelevant argument just makes me bored. We'll never get our points to each other. Face it, we're both too opinionated to care what the other thinks. Bye ignorant friend. :)

[Godophobe]

@jellybelly903 It's not often that one encounters such honesty. I like "bye ignorant friend"... sounds like a good song title. If only I wrote songs! Following his recent exhibition at Bristol Museum (which I went to!) I think Banksy would actually make more of an interesting social statement if he just came out of the shadows now. Not doing so suggests a lack of true conviction to me. I also hate paying council tax for graffiti clean up, so he's spitting in the face of the working classes.

[bojoben]

@Godophobe Unjust laws need to be broken, state needs to have as less an intrusion into our freedoms as possible. I am a political graffiti artist, and I will continue to do so while stupid laws and injustice exists.

Refuse to obey laws that should not be obeyed.

[Godophobe]

@bojoben No, unjust laws are a matter of personal perception. They are just laws to other people, and it is up to you whether you respect other people's views or not. When graffiti is cleaned off it is charged in the form of tax to the hard working poor people. Respect them or piss on them: the decision is yours.

[jellybelly903]

@Godophobe I'm saying that banksy isn't being ignorant of the law. I think he is AWARE that graffiti is a law, he chooses not to obey it. Ignorance of the law is when one is unaware of a law. Ok, i get the banksy argument you're getting at. Again, you're being ignorant, i dont LIVE in the UK. I live in Australia? Not everyone on youtube is from the "UK". Where i live, gay marriage is still illegal, and in many states of the USA (FYI the most powerful nation int he world currently), it is too.

[Godophobe]

@jellybelly903 You didn't need to put a question mark after "Australia" so now who is being ignorant (again!) I'm glad you get the Banksy argument now - you get there in the end! As far as referring to the UK only, you first stated that "gay marriage is illegal" but you didn't say where you were referring to. If you just presume we are all going to know you refer to your homeland, then you're even more ignorant than I first noticed.

[theLVD]

@Godophobe I know you posted this a long time ago, but I couldn't help but respond. Your saying they'd rather live under Hitler than have to deal with present-day graffiti? Are they crazy? Seriously, are they mentally handicapped? Your forgetting that there would be graffiti no matter what rule we are all under. And saying graffiti makes WW2 pointless is pretty much the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Its pathetic.

And no, graffiti is not a result of ignorance. Your ignorant for saying that..

[Godophobe]

@theLVD Hmm... you obviously don't know much about the Third Reich. Grafitti would not only be banned, but so would many things which ARE worthwhile. Black people for one! It is metaphoric though, isn't it, when older people say that they wish they hadn't fought because everything they fought for - in terms of their imediate environment - is sprayed. If I am ignorant, why are you the one writing "your" instead of "you're"? That's ignorant.

[CJAM16]

what song is this?

[josh9568]

Nice video mate, very true , keep up the good work

[45HTW701]

Great job! Great content and execution.