S2 Picks and Bans (Sejuani Patch)

[WhotADs]

@mannenmedbyxor Yea, still they are not so "on" to play ranked tho

[pokemoncollector2011]

Faro are you colorblind?

[JxSid]

Unless I have missed a part in the video some where, I did not hear any top solo bans. What would you recommend for top solo bans?

[leaguetopten]

@JxSid That is actually an excellent question. As far as most picked solo tops, you tend to see Gangplank, Riven, Udyr, Lee Sin, Yorick, Kennen, and Wukong. Out of those, the only characters I would ban are Kennen, or GP -- and even then only as throw away bans.

Top lane tends to have less of an influence on the rest of the game if you win, but extreme consequences if you lose. In that regard, Kennen and GP are strong picks because they can take a small win into a huge impact in team fights.

[LaCaemis]

@leaguetopten I actually never see Riven or Yorick anymore... probably a coincidence

[shakeweller]

I cant understand the people who ban Kassadin srsly, you can counterpick him so hard and get him 0/4 like before he is lvl 6 and can actually get things done... you will have like 60 more cs that him and more kills in early, then you shouldnt have any problems though

[stevie1309]

Hmm well I do like your compromise to what you said even though if you were to do this then it would be spread out pretty long :P love you faro and spunk keep the videos up :)

[PhranKommentaries]

Pretty sure if I had a soraka on my team that sat there and did nothing rather than be the hardcore aggressive support that she should be, I'd rage. I like your stuff but the thoughts expressed in this video were straight up wrong for the most part. The Vlad bit was good but you're talking about the game like it's the easiest thing you've ever done. There's far deeper thought processes that should be taken into account... and even some surface ones.

[thisisnotfaro]

@PhranKommentaries That's flat out wrong. Soraka is a submissive support compared to Taric, Alistar, Sona or Janna. There's no feasible way for Soraka to trade against any four of those unless her lane is already stomping, which is a pointless scenario.

[lucastran21]

@thisisnotfaro Soraka is more like a defensive support where she usually ward everything and sit back and heal AD Carry. Taric/Ali work as a support/tank where they can disrupt other with their stun/QW...more aggressive. Sona and Janna depends on their ulti to decided the game or combat. I prefer Ali if i want to push my lane real hard. Taric if i want him to focus some major thread. Sona/Jan if i want to win most of the teamfight and Sora if i just want to sit back, farm my lane till the end.

[anpina123]

Man the thing about morga she does a good ulti on teamfight

[HawtRiice]

So you're the reason i can't play shaco in rank D:<

[dedog2003]

Stop makin league videos bro. We all know u dont play it anymore so ur opinions are valid anymore. Also you were bad even when u did play so they nvr mattered. U cant even play annie well... Just lik

[dafun908]

@dedog2003 He plays every night. He streams regularly though its always around 1am EST and he probably has more skill than you do.

[stevie1309]

Could you possibly make a video on what champions counter each other??

[leaguetopten]

@stevie1309 That's an incredibly long video as we're getting close to the 100 champion mark. What I can do is talk about a specific champion and what counters them for like five minutes, if that's what you guys want. I'd have to know what champion to start with though ;P

[Pistolification]

@leaguetopten Start at A :O

[ehkesoyo]

@leaguetopten If you could give advice in what to look at when looking for a counter it may be better. I mean, if you explain why champ X counters champ Y we can then apply that ourselves and know who to pick :)

[pokemoncollector2011]

@leaguetopten what about the most picked champs and what counters them?

[naeviaus]

@leaguetopten You could split counter-picks into several vids, so one vid about bot lane counter, one about mid-lane, etc.

just a suggestion..

[thisisnotfaro]

@naeviaus I was considering that, but then I looked at the sheer amount of solo mids. 30! 30 solo mids. Talking about every match up is going to take a while, so I'm wrapping my head around a way to approach it.

[EhhhhWassup]

Unless I really wanna play morgana, I always ban her. Her ultimate WILL decide the team fights. For instance, the ENTIRE enemy team decided to go after me (as morgana) and our Jungler (an amumu, he was helping push tower a bit), and first blood hadn't happened yet. I got my ult. right before they attacked. Hit R, amumu and I casually strolled away. (he didn't have his thank god, or there would've probably been a wasted ult lol.)

[darksto]

VLAD is way op now. IF HE Rush WOTA and with the E buff he can just spam and heal to full.

[blackhorse1988]

How about Rumble? Maybe you mentioned him and I didn't catch it, but I hearing/seeing a lot of good things concerning him.

[jattaj7]

Mogana always banned, kass almost always banned

[Hellsslave666]

@Hellsslave666 the

[Hellsslave666]

pls explain Thema throw away ban .

[Hoontae]

What is a throw away ban?

[a42696a]

@Hoontae a ban you make so your team doesnt pick a bad champ

[Choccss]

honestly i think cass and ryze are more ban worthy than vlad, but thats just my opinion

[TenchiKinjin]

@Choccss agreed, ryze is the death of me when i mid

[kezron88]

UDYR need to be banned he so op

[Lovetek10]

Cassiopeia is pretty good against Le Blanc ...

[MrNikitas99]

No impression phreak had on summoner spell the Smite ;p

[LeaugeOfBoxes]

True. But LeBlanc is worthless in teamfights, she 1 hits your carry then shes wortless for a bit of time to get hes spelles cooled down. Which makes her not that grat in teamfights

[Lovetek10]

@LeaugeOfBoxes I disagree. If you can take out the enemies main source of damage, then you've essentially won the fight straight away. Just make sure your team has enough CC and you're cool.

[hershycows]

ok imma scrub excuse me but what do you mean "throw away for something stronger?" and i saw your response about tryn and even if he gets countered and even wrecked early to mid late game he just becomes a monster, and it seems no matter what you do you are doomed to get destroyed :(

[inuvegeta3]

@hershycows He means that it's a distraction ban.

Say there is a ban left for each team, and he gets first pick. There is an Ahri and Rammus still open, both are good champions. He will ban let's say, Leblanc, in hopes that the other team will ban either Rammus or Ahri, and he will be able to take the other one as the first pick.

[leaguetopten]

@inuvegeta3 For those continuing to ask, this is a perfect example of a throw away ban and when/how to use it.

[snakewhale]

i ban nasus cause op at 1000 elo

[TheDervlinBC]

what about udyr?

[HappyGraveRobber]

What about akali i normaly she her get baned

[SolheimTV]

@HappyGraveRobber

She is banned for the same reason Kassadin is banned. She snowballs extremely hard, and with her high mobility etc. she is a pain in the ass.

However, she has been nerfed pretty hard, and so many would not consider her worthy of a ban.

[DigitNumberTen]

good video faro

[TheRagefreak]

I see you have colr blind mode :D

[NorthsouthWestly]

I would like to say of your not picking an ap mid that isn't a high priority ban ie picking Ahri wait until the enemy has picked theirs and run a suitable counter ie Leblanc against karthus.

[SilentderLaute]

Plz don`t .. elemenz tier list already poison the players mind .... there are plenty of hidden strong picks but with those lists people will ignore them and dodge them ....

[leaguetopten]

@SilentderLaute Let me make this clear. This isn't meant to be a tier list or an indication of champion power level. This is simply a showing of characters that have a high impact on the game, and as a result end up frequently banned.

There's a difference between something that's overpowered/underpowered and something that's high impact/low impact, and I don't want anyone to mix those up. I don't think any of the champs I listed are overpowered.

[IGoAFilms]

Ok all you guys asking how shit is blue and not green? It's called colour-blind mode, for obviously said by the title of the mode, colour-blind people.

[ViVaLaOwned]

how did you get ur hp abrs and shit to blue instead of green? ^

[M4S73RN19H7M4R3]

did that kata die ?

[Woahheynow]

When you say that champions like Morgana can be counter picked, and Vlad, you should mention who counters them.

[TheDervlinBC]

What about Udyr?

[Bringerly]

what are you thinking at Vlad, Jana and Galio Picks against Morgana?

[spideyninja]

Graves isn't that strong as he was before. Pretty weak compared to other AD carries like Sivir, Caitlyn, Tristana (who is really strong right now) and Vayne (who should get nerfed soon)

[iBeProbed]

@spideyninja She got nerfed in the last patch

[spideyninja]

@iBeProbed Rumors say she will get nerfed more

[4N0081s]

Vlad most obnoxious hero. Same here, I can't stand this dumbass. Friggin trollpool and sustain out the wazzoo. Impossible to get out of the lane. And like you said the damn 3000000000 health. But I digress. Great awesome vid. Love the new approach :D

[TheSky996]

How do you set the Hp bars from your Team blue?

[Rayqauzay]

@TheSky996 its color blind mode in the game options

[MrMatthYEW]

@TheSky996 Colorblind mode i think.

[MrJeffSouza]

@TheSky996 Colorblind mode in more options

[copalpha]

@TheSky996 The mode is called color blind mode I believe in the video options :D

[Namesrichnigga]

@TheSky996

Download RAFManager

Then just download the colorblind mod and install :)

[Carmelolz]

@Namesrichnigga Colorblind mode is in the game now. Just check your video settings

[leaguetopten]

@TheSky996 I think I just went to Options-->Video and there was a checkbox for colorblind mode.

[TheTwnty]

Graves no more a viable ban sivir is just alot better somone picked graves? take sivir:P

[animeeb0y]

gp mid>kass mid

[ingenjannik]

@leaguetopten 6:55 I totally agree. This champs does not fit in the league at all. I don't know what the reason is, though. Maybe his pool.

[Gspottastic]

this leesin sucks.. What the?! He doesnt use his passive in jungle.. GG

[MrElusive22]

"A massive incredible disaster of a bunch of unbanned stuff."

Sounds like fun.

[Rafaelinux]

What happened to that katarina at the end!?!?

[soysau5e]

Did anyone else wanted to see the last moments with gragas and skarner vs that kat? Lol

[TenryoTV]

I played vs morgana top as irelia. And i fucked up real bad. I was trying to convince my teammates that it's really hard and they just kept saying 'how can you loose as irelia top man shit' was it really my fault or?

[sybow]

@TenryoTV You cant always win ;)

[Sigel777]

@TenryoTV It's definitly not an easy lane...I'd go for a vamp scepter and merc threads very fast which should help you immensely. If you can reach lvl 10+ with decent farm and without any death then you're in the clear but before that it's a nightmare.

[CreeperSaysHi]

04:12 singed guard my red from niggervana - Faro

wtf? : P

[navisoul]

I dont feel that Kassadin is worth banning right now. Yes, he might be strong and be able to finish squishes, but... cassiopeia AP ratios are better, she has lots of AOE damage and her ulti is very good. She is frequently picked in tournaments for some reason.

[hottekerstbabe]

a friend of mine played leblanc, he was pretty good with her, but kassadin always raped him. the silence always messed up his combos. how do you deal with that? I have never played her so maybe he did something wrong i dunno

[WhotADs]

Just a random question, HOW can I the best way get out of ELO hell, right now im loseing the most games becouse of thin teamplay and kids :(

[rUTheHero]

@WhotADs i dont know if it works for u... but i got out of ELO hell by playing in the middle of the day/night because the people on the servers at that time are typiccaly better ... hope i helped :D

[mannenmedbyxor]

@WhotADs If you have friends in LoL that you know can play LoL, play with them, don't go solo queue that is just horrible

[funnyanimationguy]

Heheh. I am going to ban nothing next time I see someone do throw away bans.

[Ralinor666]

shaco ganks me as riven=free kill

[spike9609]

Irelia is still owning all even if she is not fed, just if she has some minions...Better nerf Irelia.

[InHuman0007]

U sure about lebl? Im always taking care of her with swain with flat mr blues,flat ap quits,hp per level yellow and m pen red ......the point is boots+4 bot and go agressive on her after level 2 and u do more dmg than her at level 1 ......since after u E her ur autoattacks hurt a lot and in most of the cases leblancs have low early hp like 450smth like that so u pretty much u kill her at level 2 or she'll be w/o hp pots till then and u'll kill her at level 3 ;d

[JackDragonCn]

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[aussiebirdie]

well since everyone's asking for counterpicks, here's the link to a spreadsheet I found on reddit: docs[DOT]google[DOT]com/spread­sheet/lv?hl=en_US%5D&key=0Aq-0­68L0cPIZdHdZR3JtaXlOdTZWQjJVb3­FoUVZLM1E&toomany=true

[Ralorious]

How do you Counterpick Ryze? That champ is a monster lategame

[1337Henker1337]

@Ralorious so just think .... u counter a lategame monster with a earlygame Champ

[luckyP]

@Ralorious cassio

[nikolac234]

Who is a counter pick to Riven and who does Riven counter pick ?

[SirDraker]

@nikolac234 Irelia,gp,Range hero counters Riven. Basically anybody that can kite Riven.

[AusLeaguePlays]

@nikolac234 Irelia

[louisng114]

What about Karthus?

[dwightisazn]

Counterpick skarner?

[cybereden]

What would be a counterpick to Vayne?

[fdproduc]

@cybereden any ad carries outshines her early game.

[jonasklj]

@cybereden hmm i know a rageblade Kayle can take a vayne down easily. But if Vayne get's fed before you can get Rageblade it's GG :/

[SirDraker]

@cybereden All the ad carries. Trist,Sivir,Cait,Graves,Corki,­MF

[DehMisterBrown]

@SirDraker +vayne+kennen

[b0mbastic]

Morgana hard counters LeBlanc. Spell shield blocks the silence if you time it correctly, and Tormented Soil pushes the lane making it hard for LeBlanc to last hit. Also Morgana's ult works through Leblanc's passive, allowing you to easily follow up with a Dark Binding, and even if you don't get any kills, you will out farm her. Morgana makes LeBlanc unable to leave lane and gank, therefore nullifying her early game advantage.

[Mordredkaides]

what are good counterpicks againsst vlad?

[Fr33climb]

You should do a video on counter picks. I know it will probably be a lot talk about, but its an idea. This one was very informative. Thanks.

[hexen203]

The idea is good but you cannot predict what teams will turn out to be unless you are playing ranked 5v5. If you are solo ranked then you are pretty much screwed unless your team is able to understand the game and pick consiously.

[MrDogsofwar505]

No comments about tyrnd ban?

[iPwnedYou7]

@MrDogsofwar505 nerfed huheheuheueheue



[leaguetopten]

@MrDogsofwar505 That was an oversight on my part. I don't see Tryndamere banned because of how much he needs a strong free farm lane, and most everyone is used to laning vs Tryndamere so they just counterpick almost without thinking. Swain and Pantheon are my go-tos, but a lot of people use a lot of different things to deal with him.

[TheFur007]

@leaguetopten

I do have Skarner, And in the bad elo im in he doesnt get banned.

However all the time I just do terrible with him, even when I build him as tanky as I can, I get bursted down in teamfights anyways, and dont do much damage myself either.

Can you give me a good Skarner build?

[iHaveTwitches]

@TheFur007 It's possible that your build is fine and the problem is your positioning. Try going in after your tank so you aren't focused as hard?

[TheFur007]

@iHaveTwitches

I do go in after my tank

Just so you know, my build is philo stone, heart gold, berserkers greaves, atmogs, black cleaver, Then I would turn my heart of gold into Force of nature/ Thornmail depending on their team, and then I would turn Philo stone into phantom dancer

So lets say theyre team is most AD,

By late game my build is: Thornmail, Berserker' greaves, Warmogs, atmogs, Black cleaver, Phantom dancer

And if my problem is AP instead of thornmail force of nature.

[MrXalouvas1]

@TheFur007 try wriggles heart of gold merc treads trinity gunblade and atmas not listed in particular order u list them according to ur enemies

[Lawdevo]

@MrDogsofwar505 thats a good joke O.o

[Fluiddruid3]

You're speaking to quickly to understand, slow down...

[Bringerly]

how do you counterpick morgana?

[leaguetopten]

@Bringerly You can't really stop Morgana from free farming, but she also can't stop you. Most people pick Kassadin, because if you give Kassadin a free farm lane he does more with it. Talon, Pantheon, Cass, Ryze are all top Morgana counterpicks, but you can really use anyone who is good at clearing waves to keep up with her.

[Bringerly]

@leaguetopten hmh...yeah, k. You have to know that I´m in elohell and so kassa is mostly banned..I dont have Talon and dont like Panth mid..In my opinion Cassio and Ryze are good picks yeah, but what are you thinking about Gragas against Morgana? with your e against her binding and your ult vs. hers in teamfight..

[Mordredkaides]

@Bringerly in my experience gragas vs morgana is a skill matchup E can sometimes intercept the bind if your not fast enough or try to dodge at the wrong angle and you still won't be able to stop her farm.and his ult doesn't help that much against hers due to black shield bocking the effect or zhonya's wich every morgana builds

[lSushilx]

@leaguetopten i think casseopia is a pretty good pick against morg

[ahahahahahahahahaa]

@leaguetopten Ryze cant keep up with morgana, like at all :(

[kostaVHjovanovic]

@leaguetopten question, i think that vayne , when strong in lane can end a game solo , i play top but when i take vayne for bot , we usually win cuz of how crazy she is, i dont see a lot of vayne bans but i think it can be a better ban then graves cuz she is stronger in general

[speacles]

@Bringerly fizz and vlad both counter her pretty hard

[Reverb808]

@Bringerly i poop on morg with tf and gragas

[Guuziec]

@Bringerly Rumble :)

[Woahheynow]

@Bringerly You can also pick an AD Carry against her, as well. Caitlyn can stop her from farming by constantly putting pressure on her through auto attacks.

[sniffyourdogtwice]

why do you play in colorblind mode?

[halcyonacoustic]

9:15 I would be so mad.

[Pyroshen]

Sorry, I like the idea but you were so bornig to listen to I gave up after shaco.

[juva932]

ahman I wanted to see the last kill

[FluffyAnime]

what do you mean to throw away ban to pick up something stronger?

[kinglegous]

@FluffyAnime I'd like to know this too.



[AusLeaguePlays]

@FluffyAnime meaning you ban somthing random to try pick up a strong champion that might need to be banned if you're first pick.

[HKfob01]

y u no show last kill

[weresmypita]

did that kat die in the end?

[SkySpark95]

Kennen is viable in all three lanes now.

[lambokun]

sona is a pretty common ban for a support as well. dont forget that caitlyn is one of the stronger ad laners as well!

[ahsu3494]

sounds like faro

[Verbesity]

Are you color blind or do you just think it looks cool?

[Theonlysodo]

@Verbesity colorblind

jkjk

[narutobomber1234]

Quick question whats with the nggervana comment?

[brian213ify]

how would that work? AP support combo? haha

[DaKernel37]

Trynd, amumu, sion, akali, vayne, and nasus are banned alot too.

[lambokun]

@DaKernel37 im guessing you are 900 elo

[MimePka]

we dont kno if kat died at the end D:!!

[brian213ify]

How do you counter pick kassadin?

[lambokun]

@brian213ify ad mid

[Sharaffer]

@brian213ify Talon maybe?

Shutting him down pre level 6

[jojo300001]

@brian213ify Tryndamere.

[MimePka]

@brian213ify gangplank and pantheon just rip him

[mizzfionaa]

@brian213ify sivir, trynd.. champs that don't get shit on by silence and can push him out of lane

[leaguetopten]

@brian213ify Talon, Pantheon, GP are the most common counter picks.

[luckyP]

@leaguetopten actually the #1 counterpick for kassadin is zilean. Kassadin cant win dmg trades against zilean with zils auto attack range + bomb. And if you're a decent mid player he will get only 1/3 of your farm.

[akdaniellee]

@brian213ify I play Fizz, and i must say Fizz is a very strong counter to Kassadin because he has the dodge and if you have a good fizz then he will dodge Kassadin's silence most of the time and hurt him seriously during laning.

[BeXfresh1]

@brian213ify sivir, cait!

[zyrocks2]

ok is this supposed to help us or make our jungling fail?

[lxlHIMlxl]

sion rapes leblanc so hard

[Theonlysodo]

@lxlHIMlxl LOLWUT? WHAT LEBLANCS DO YOU PLAY WITH?

[Thunderking01]

Lee Sin gets banned casue he's Lee Sin the Blind Monk

[ninjapoodle123]

god damn it all beneath me like penis... :3

[kiahn9]

304th



[Richkong16]

10th



[vipeax1]

Sup

[bryanjx04]

That one guy that comments saying he never gets first and complains some.

[lxlHIMlxl]

1st