@thedagonjones Haha, you are funny. "When the letter J was invented". Funny that Islam also has the name "Jesus" in it and the Koran's original text still exists in its untranslated form. So your cute theory is debunked. Not that I believe Islam is correct, I don't. But the fact that other religions independent of Christianity have the name (J)esus in them proves that it was really Jesus.
It's fake. It's just a bunch of people doing it because others are doing it. I can get a friend to chug a beer if I start chanting "chug, chug chug." Even if he doesn't want to. I did it a few times tonight. You get ten people in a room together and nine of them speak in tongues; give it a couple days. All ten will speak in tongues. Ask anyone from any religion. They will tell you why it's real. It's the same reason Christianity is real; because it's fake. We make it real.
Honestly, NO it is not demonic .. who ever tells this is demonic .., then you are Blaspheming God! it's a different language ... a GIFT! maybe John McArthur is an AntiChrist .. I just said MAYBE .
@thedagonjones Dude, you're dumb. Haha King James wasn't a homosexual. There was a guy who got upset with James and wrote a paper saying he was, but King James was already dead. Those close to King James denied him being homosexual.
What a liar MacArthur is! I cannot stand this heady lying wolf! He is just as bad as the Creflo's, Osteens, Meyers, and all of the other counterfeit sorcerers!!! MacArthur is a BLASPHEMER OF THE HOLY SPIRIT OF GOD!!
I heard of how Jesus changed other people's lives and I wanted it too.I was a lying stealing cheating arrogant sexually immoral drug-addicted jerk.I knew I was bad and wanted to be good.I asked Jesus to take control of my life because I had made a mess of it.He came and purified my thought-life and heart. Though he was innocent, I believe He died for my sins, and came to life again. Understanding His love I trust Him and let Him transform my life.I have peace now i didnt know was possible.
@thedagonjones dude, you shtick is really really old. It's been debunked, move on.
If you want to obsess over it, go to the channel of an Expert in the field. Why does an atheist come here to rant about the mystery-religion as if Christians never heard that line before.
@thedagonjones ... you are getting your mystery-religion-propaganda mixed up.
What you meant to say (which is also incorrect)
Is the Isis was the virgin who gave birth to Horus. Horus and Jesus are the proper analogy.(the proper False-Analogy. )
This claim have been debunked for centuries. There are hundreds of articles and dozens of documentaries you could access within 20 seconds if yo care to actually seek truth. Instead you make yourself look foolish for believing silly rubbish/
@coltsrule5150 If i may... I realize that many things that God does is, in our eyes troubling & leaves many questions unanswered. One must realize that by being God His ways are higher than our ways His thoughts higher than our thoughts. God knows the unknowns & works with these eternal variables tailored to the uniqueness of each individual life. Our minds are finite & incapable of such feats. Some struggle just balancing a check book. I can assure you that God is good and just in all His ways.
Baptists... they have a true respect for the Word, but what the DON"T KNOW about the Holy Spirit, could fill a whole lot of books.
We need MORE Holy Spirit, not less!
It is amazing, he is SELLING the vatican/new age/ corrupted Bible per-versions like ESV, NASB, NKJ,with his commentary. When you are taking out words like hell, repent, prayer and fasting, Mark 16, and sell to unsuspecting Christians, and sleep at night? He acts like he is completely unaware of the value of the textus receptus MS.
1 Corinthians 14:38-40 But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.Let all things be done decently and in order.
Heh Man of God,you lack the anointing to speak or pray in tongue cus you are "canal" depending on your own understanding instead of the knowledge the holy spirit teaches.See,it takes the spirit of God to know the thing of God,so if you are not spiritual you will definitely say it's demonic. 1 Corinthians 14:38-40 But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.Let all things be done decently and in order.
Is because John MacArthur lack the spirit and the anointing so He just concluded that all that speak in tongue is evil. He never desire it cus all He does is teaches not praying in the holy ghost. If he ever hear demon speak out from someone i guess he will know what we are talking about.John can't even cast out devil cus he lack the power in the holy spirit t
See,cuz John MacArthur is a great teacher doesn't makes him spiritual.See,Education one acquired from school is not the same as the one the spirit teaches.You wonder most of the early church Disciples were fisher Men,carpenters and the like.They know what's spiritual cus they were not canal.JW witness don't believe in tongue, Mormons doesn't,catholic doesn't and MacArthur doesn't but the "Christians that are spiritual does,But what makes MacArthur different from these occults? It's sad!
@heartnmind1 There are varying degrees of experiences. If you have a limited interest in God then YOU will have a limited experience with God. Knock & it shall be opened, seek & ye shall find. It's kind of like the layers of an onion. God already knows us, it is we who need to seek & know God on a higher plain. What would you say of the experiences of say Elijah, Elisha, Enoch, Moses & Paul. Powerful & unexplainable experiences are reserved for those who desire to know the deep things of God.
@sgentlemanjack112 I did not listen to the message presented in the video longer than a few minutes, so I am unable to reference the meaning of 'counterfeit' that you termed as I am established in my on belief system regarding the tongues and was more interested in reading the comments of the people. My comment in no way reflects my opinion of the video as I dont have one but rather an independent thought to share. God bless.
3 - I agree that we need to pray for the unsaved and the brethren. I also believe we shouldn't be given to useless arguments. However, I'm talking about a movement in the church today where wolves come in (false miracle workers looking for money/fame) beat up Christian's ability to discern right doctrine by mangling scripture/the approach to the Bible and potentially hook people up with a demon so that they think they're seeing correctly/spiritual when they're poor, deaf and blind.
2 - The passage in Mark is almost certainly added to the Bible... many Bibles have it in the subscript as it didn't appear in manuscripts until very late. Also, from 1 Cor 12:30 it seems clearly implied that not everyone will have these specific gifts. Personally I think people see the pagan expression and then try to validate it in the Bible... as such I commonly see loose at best and sometimes heretical teaching coming out of many Charismatics. They also mangle Mark 11:23 to stop dissent.
@steveoho Check this out. SOME of the oldest manuscripts leave them out, while others had it. One note got very specific & said SOME GREEK Manuscripts leave those verses out. As I said earlier,we can't get in depth here, but I strongly suggest that those who want the Truth seek it EARNESTLY & not take the word of those who speculate based on very sketchy evidence. SOME of the Oldest Manuscripts did not have these verses,but OTHER OLDEST Manuscripts DID have the verses!
@Heavendreamer2 I'm ok with saying that Mark 16 may be true though I cannot verify it is in the Bible. As I said in 1 Cor 12:29,30 it is clear that not all will have these gifts. Any movement that tries to "teach" tongues or says all should have it is inviting demons.
@steveoho I completely agree with you that not all Christians will necessarily have that gift, though the bible says that God will not withhold any good thing from them that walk uprightly, & Paul encouraged us to seek the gifts earnestly. I do NOT believe that it can be 'taught', and I do NOT believe that it is the only evidence of a true salvation as some say. (see next)
@steveoho A guy close to me was told he wasn't saved because he didn't have tongues. For 12 yrs he prayed for tongues & got nothing & thought God didn't love him. I tried to show him via the scriptures that the teaching(that he had to have it) was false. After a week of praying (in tongues) about other things, this came up,& God manifested His presence as I showed him in the scriptures that he had believed a lie. He was set free,& received tongues not long after. It wasn't learned, it was given.
@steveoho I disagree... the KJV is the perfect translation of the holy scriptures... the textus receptus is correct.. The NIV is a perverted translation removing many truths from the Bible and you ought to be aware of the spiritual battle, whereby Satan has in modern times changed the word of God to water down the truth of scripture. Indeed, the modern translations remove the deity of Christ, remove the virgin birth and may other items...
@sgentlemanjack112 I am one who reads and studies from the KJV. But to make it clear and to speak against KJV onlyist, the KJV does not contain the perfect translation of the English, but it is the completeness of the text that I trust, in which derives from the received text following the Massorah. I don't trust the newer versions, which come from the vaticanus and sinaiticus, because they are corrupted by Catholicism and paganism. The KJV is complete, but needs further breaking down.
@sgentlemanjack112 The newer version like the NIV, NLT, ESV, CEV etc, were corrupted long ago by a pagan Christian named Origen. And is this text that Eusebius(a student of Origen) used to produce 50 bibles for Constantine. And it is this same text theat Westcott and Hort use to make the newer Bibles used today, full of omissions, deletions, and flat out mistranslations.
In case you didn't know this, some food for thought.
@sgentlemanjack112 I agree, the only perfect is the original. We should all search out these things, but dis-fellowshiping over this and making this our main issue gets us far far away from Christ' Great Commission.
@GordonCope I'm not getting into this argument... its over minutiae and it presupposes that allowed the church to flounder until the "perfect" KJV arrived. This argument also turns more people than I know away from loving and sharing the gospel because they are convinced, with little evidence, that Satan is leading whole wings of the church simply because they don't worship the KJV and the super-inspiration of its authors. I like the KJV, but I see good in other translations too
Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
Jesus and the disciples did not speak in language so why do something that is gone there 20 centuries. Do you know that speaking in the language blah blah blah reappeared in the late 19 th century? I do not think it comes from God. I think some pastors wanted to take a personal glory and they invent something spectacular to attract crowds.
@carls1970 Reappeared? Its been here all along. There are pagans around the world who practice the same kinds of tongues done in many "churches" today. I agree with you though... I'd have to see some early church writings where the practice is legitimately described as speech which nobody understands.
@steveoho Christians spoke in the tongues (languages) of men AND of Angels
1 Cor 13:1. Clearly an angelic language is different from a human one. At Pentecost, 'cloven tongues LIKE as of a fire' appeared (manifested) to them and 'sat on' each of them. This was not literal 'tongues of fire' appearing over them; the original language shows this was a manifestation that spread 'like a fire' to the apostles "And they began to speak with OTHER tongues (languages) Acts2:4 see also Mark 16:17
@Heavendreamer2 I'm not sure one can say definitively that men can speak in the tongues of angels... the 1 Cor 13 is more a figure of speech. It simply would not benefit the church.
What I was saying in my previous post is that the "tongues" predominantly in churches today is pagan at best and probably demonic. I also challenged people who believe that is real tongues to show me documents of old where "tongues" survived the first century. Its not even in the later Bible books
@steveoho Regardless of whether or not the earliest Christians spoke in angelic or human languages, they most definitely spoke in "other" ie "different" languages - that is what the word 'other' is in the Greek - Different - So tell me... if the Christians spoke "other" or "different" languages, what do you suppose that means? Clearly not languages they had learned. Where is your proof that tongues/languages today are demonic? Satan counterfeits healing too, does that mean God no longer heals?
@steveoho #2 Consider the fact that the Lord told us "THESE SIGNS SHALL FOLLOW THEM THAT BELIEVE: IN MY NAME THEY WILL CAST OUT DEVILS; THEY SHALL SPEAK WITH NEW (RESTORED) TONGUES (LANGUAGES)..THEY SHALL LAY HANDS ON THE SICK, AND THEY SHALL RECOVER..." MARK 16:17-18 commission to preach the gospel - signs would follow. By saying tongues is demonic you contradict God. Satan has his counterfeits,but that does not negate the real thing. The Bible IS the early Church writing & is all I need
@steveoho #3 As for languages of angels not benefiting the church, how so? The 'other languages' spoken by the apostles, clearly languages they did not already know, were understood by those who gathered round to hear them. Whether the language is angelic or human, God works the miracle & produces the benefit. IT IS TRUE THAT SOME 'TONGUE SPEAKING' TAKING PLACE EVEN IN CHURCHES IS NOT LEGIT, BUT COUNTERFEIT, BUT THE LEGITIMATE GIFT HAS NOT BEEN DONE AWAY WITH.
@steveoho MY CAPS ARE FOR EMPHASIS - I hope this did not come across as me being angry, because I am not at all. One thing is certain... the church should not be fighting over these things, We need to pray for one another, to bear with one another as the Lord calls us to - and to not fall for satan's trap by falling into arguments - rather,we need to pray for the unsaved & that the Lord will keep us from error, in His Truth/Paths etc. God Bless all who truly love Him
@Heavendreamer2 If you get a chance look up "Kundalini Warning". You might think that its a bit more important then. If people are actually giving themselves over to pagan and demonic practices. In the Acts 2 passage I'm unsure if they each spoke one thing and everyone understood the one speaking in their tongue or the people hearing had Gods grace to be able to understand any person... but its clear in 1 Cor that if nobody is there who can hear then they should remain silent
@steveoho Actually I have Kundalini Warning on my favs for the specific reason that spiritual counterfeits ARE dangerous & the church needs to be aware of them. I go into great detail tracing the roots of the contemplative mysticism counterfeits which infiltrated the church early in Christianity in my video on Spiritual Disciplines (in my playlist under New Spirituality -Mysticism in the Church) Believe me, I know much of the church is involved in pagan spirituality & have been warning of it
@Heavendreamer2 Can you explain why this "reappearance" of tongues has happened? Why for 95 percent of the time between now and Christ this gift was largely not visible. Can you honestly tell me with 100% certainty that this movement in the church of a gibberish tongue that nobody and even the speaker do not understand is of God?
@steveoho 1. Why are you so certain it 'disappeared'? 2. for almost 1500 yrs the church was in spiritual darkness until reformation,& even then did not completely come out of it.3. Didn't documentation occur at the same time as REVIVAL did? Think about that. Gideon mentioned they did not see the miracles their ancestors spoke of for a VERY long time. Why? because the people were not walking right with God. Suddenly, he finds himself talking with the very One who caused those miracles.
@steveoho 4. I have the gift, & struggled with doubts & prayed about it on & off whether it was from God. I had not prayed in tongues for a very long time, & when I started again, it sounded like the same sentences over & over again. That made me start doubting again, so I cried out to the Lord & told him that if I was to believe it was Him I needed Him to restore it to whole language. He did it instantly, and the FRUIT also confirms it.
@steveoho The FRUIT I am talking about is not that situation. I only mentioned the situation to help you see that after 12 years of bondage to a false teaching (ie that he had to have tongues to be saved) he was finally released from it when the Lord CONFIRMED by His presence what I was showing him in the Word. He had not been convinced by the scripture alone in previous attempts, but only after much private prayer which happened to be in tongues. My Testimony has nothing to do with tongues.
@steveoho 5. I really want to encourage you to listen to my testimony 'God Revealed Himself to Me' on my channel. I think it will help you understand where I am at spiritually. Tongues are only gibberish to those who don't know the language. Acts2 says they spoke in other languages-.it would have sounded like gibberish to many.There are languages that sound like popping noises that are legit.And Satan knows languages too & could counterfeit them.The evidence is in the FRUIT & Scripture combined
@steveoho Heretical teaching/ watered down gospel are signs of the times we are in, but please realize that these,& other counterfeits are not limited to Charismatic believers. We simply believe in the gifts of the Holy Spirit & seek the Lord in operating in those gifts. I have been used of the Lord, and know of others who have as well, to pray & see legit miracles.Paul told us to seek the gifts, yet there are many who say they have ceased.Why is this insisted on with little to no evidence?
@Heavendreamer2 Interesting to note... the word gift isn't even in the passage. As I see it, Paul is calling the church to live by the spirit and seek the spirit filled life that we may edify the church. This is why he talks of love so much. Speaking something that cannot be understood/interpreted and only makes you stand out/get noticed is not loving, but useless and should not be uttered. Whether this is legitimately tongues... I am unsure, but its current practice is bad
@steveoho 3. Mark Passage: As for 'critical' modern editions of the bible published in our day,many base them on limited & conflicting evidence. These are very murky waters you are wading into now, far beyond the scope of what we can get into here. The majority of bibles&Manuscripts supported the reading in 1990 ( Philip W. Comfort- Early Manuscripts & Modern Translations of the New Testament) Suddenly most "critical" editions leave it out? What are they critical of? Clearly,the Bible itself
There are accounts of new converts this day and age who do not know of the personal prayer life of tongues and break into tongues as they worship God in spirit and in truth. Jesus Himself is The baptizer and declared if we being evil know how to give good gifts, how much more Our Heavenly Father knows to, He will not allow you to receive a scorpion if you ask for a fish.That is a promise from God who can not lie.
People using 1 Cor 13-vs11 to say that tongues have ceased clearly haven't read ALL of verse 8, which says Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away. Followed by verse 10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away. So if you say tongues have ceased, then you are also saying that knowledge has vanished! The perfect has not come yet!
@GordonCope Admittedly people running into walls and bouncing off tables are not being consistent with what we read in the Bible. I speak in tongues and I have never done any of that. It is a personal prayer language, which God gave me. I'm quite concerned with John Mac's bad argument against tongues because he picks and chooses scriptures to suit his argument, but ignores others such as Paul saying the following -1 Corinthians 14:5 I would that ye all spake with tongues,... THUS encourages it!
@GordonCope the verse continues with the following ...'but even more to prophesy. The one who prophesies is greater than the one who speaks in tongues, unless someone interprets, so that the church may be built up.', HOWEVER this does not negate what Paul said in the first clause. It is just saying prophecy is more edifying. John Mac's dangerous stance of slamming the gift of tongues is dishonouring God because it is a gift of the Holy Spirit.
@GordonCope Amen,these signs shall follow those that believe and the enemy would desire to destroy the seeking of Spiritual gifts from God.I know that The Holy Spirit aids our prayers an helps us with his lead whereby we cry ,Abba ,Father,with groanings that we can not properly express,for we in our human understanding do not always know how to pray as we ought so He intercedes on our behalf bypassing our intellect. He takes us to the core of the matter.
@TheAgateman1 no matter how many times i read that passage, i cannot contort it enough to mean unintelligible gibberish. A groaning is born of anguish or deep desire. Not of an excited gibberish. Not something used b/c it makes you feel good.
@sgentlemanjack112 That passage could be taken as noise. What the passage is stating Is in your quiet time of prayer The Holy Spirit can help you pray, we may not find the worlds to deeply convey and express our or others needs. He knows our hearts and at times we are lost for words of expression He will intervene When one calls upon Jesus. Yes He can use even there tongue for intercessory prayer.This has nothing to do with putting on an babelling show.
@sgentlemanjack112 You are right and wrong . There is the gift for edification of The Body of Christ and a personal gift for your own prayer life as well.Jude 20,1 Corinthians 14:14-17 is referring to both gifts.Also Acts 2:38-39 declares it is for everyone who believes and not only for the immediate generation but for future ones as well.As many as The Lord our God shall call. Not all people have the gift of speaking to the body though,that is clarified as well by Paul.
@sgentlemanjack112 When Paul said a person praying in an unknown tongue edifies themselves & speaks to God, this does not imply there is no benefit. Rather, it tells us a person MAY pray to God in a language they don't understand & by this means they are edified. Is this not what God wants for all His children? that we be built up in Him? Prayer for ourselves & others is not self-indulgent, not satisfying the flesh, but prayer in the Spirit for the benefit of many. ALL are edified by prayer.
@Heavendreamer2 The passage seems to indicate that its self-edification because it causes him to stand out among his brethren without any of them actually being edified/built-up. I do like MacArthur's challenge to go through the Bible and find a prayer like the kind uttered by these supposed tongue speakers... none of the prophets did it and Jesus certainly didn't. From Acts its understandable, but in 1 Corinthians where Paul is rebuking the church over this practice its not
@sgentlemanjack112 You think people praying in tongues are only praying for themselves for some kind of self gratification you equate to sensual pleasure? Edification is being built up in our faith, strengthened in God.. It is God who gives the Gifts, and His own Spirit who operates them within us. If He works in us to pray in another language when our heart is overwhelmed with concern or grief or w/e for others, for souls, &yes,even for ourselves, how is that a selfish act to let Him?
@Heavendreamer2 Thats like saying God needs to untie his hands through us to do the work that needs to be done in this world so he forces out this speech of our mouths. Its absurd. God could instantly change us in a moment if he wanted to, but he does not because he wants us to know Him. Prayer is one of our greatest means of knowing him because it serves as communication between us. If we don't understand what we are saying then this isn't truly communication, but bluster.
@sgentlemanjack112 I gave you black and white scripture and did not talk about something which, 'makes me feel good'. You can believe what you want to believe, but I believe God. It is interesting that when I hear a Chinese person it sounds complete gibberish to me, but guess what - millions of people understand it. Oh and it's a language of God too - so be careful on showing contempt for such things. When I speak in tongues it is not repetition, but a clear distinct language
@GordonCope I don't know about yours, but many people's "tongues" have been examined and they simply do not have all the aspects required of a language. I've heard of other experiences where someone was praying in their native tongue and then someone stood up to give a spirit given interpretation. I just see no or extremely little discretion used in the churches regarding this gift.
@steveoho not for one moment am I suggesting that all tongues are genuine - that is not my scriptural argument. I have also heard people who seemed to be 'faking it' to be blunt. However, I am not the judge of what they exhibit. I know that if you heard my own language you would not think it to be a 'fake' one. I totally agree with regards to discretion in terms of translation and so forth. I've been in churches that have no order... but this does not negate the gift of tongues itself.
@GordonCope I'm open to it still being around... simply because of stories in some far off tribe where it was supposedly used (not sure if they're true). I simply oppose its use as a "prayer language" and believe from the text that if nobody is there that can interpret (someone who'd understand) that it simply should not be practiced as it was solely intended to benefit the body of believers.
@steveoho that is easily answered with scripture.. 1 Corinthians 14:15 KJV - What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also. - Indeed, I speak in tongues in prayer and also think and pray in my head (in English) at the same time...
Laughing is demonic. This is not the Holy Spirit! There is a such thing as speaking in tongues and dancing in the Holy Spirit but laughing is not one of them! Be aware of false prophets.
Sometimes tongue is understood other times its not, for example my father had an encounter with an Arab and he didn't know what to do, so he asked the Lord what to do and the Lord said "speak in tongues" so he did so and his language changed into Arabic and my father told the Arab man about Jesus without learning Arabic. Glory to God!
1Co 14:19 YET IN THE CHURCH I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.
1Co 14:4 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself...
This person builds him self up but another person doesn't understand him.
1Co 14:16 Else when thou shalt bless with the spirit, how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned say Amen at thy giving of thanks, seeing he understandeth not what thou sayest?
1Co 14:17 For thou verily givest thanks well, but the other is not edified.
1Co 14:2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
1Co 14:4 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.
1Co 14:15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.
This man is in error, listen to what he says at 11:29 - "In Christianity it was the true gift of languages used ONLY when someone who spoke the language was present in order that it might be a sign that God was there and that Gods people were speaking Gods truth."
No the Bible says differantly, 1Co 13:1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of ANGELS, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
@godzac because 40 authors over 1,500 years , on 3 continents, wrote 66 books that are completely internally consistent. The statistical probability of this is astronomical.
Obviously the authors are far more intelligent than you, to ask such a childish question
Great article that refers to what John MacArthur is writing.. I believe he is on about this.. I always wanted to know why I can't speak in tongue but after reading, it is the least "desired" gift for Christians because it was used to bring people from other language to know Jesus and the good news (makes a lot of sense in missionary.. There are other gifts God gives to help us grow and be his living example. Google baptisttheology and speaking in tongues
@dbrhee I came to speak in tongues later in life, and I am convinced the only reason I didnt do it earlier is because there was no faith for it in the circles in which I was a part at the time. I dont believe tongues means you have the Holy Spirit verses no tongues no Holy Spirit. However, I have found it to be a useful gift in expressing my heart to God when words fail, and it is also a great way to turn the brain off in order to hear God's voice. Thank God for tongues!!!!!
@TheNFLGreats The fruit of the spirit is self control. Considering you never and I quote "Ive never rolled around, jumped, or anything like that", It seems llgeit.There is a difference between Charismata and "Charismata". If it's like Toronto Canada then it's not biblical. As for tongues, I don't talk about tongues much because I don't want to blaspheme the Holy Spirit accidentally (if such a thing is possible).
I hate this confusion of the gift of tongues and speaking in tongues as the evidence of receiving the Spirit of God, which is necessary for salvation. Please study this for yourself.
speaking in tongues is not demonic at all. It's still very real and true today. I know very clean Christian people who have the gift of speaking in tongues. It can be of demonic nature if a person does not live a clean, holy life. Period
I am now a prophet of God and He revealed to me 2 years ago that the Beast described in Revelation Chapt 13:1-8, are the nations of Islam. And that Allah is Satan. And those ten nations shall burn Vatican City, the Whore, with fire. The mark of the beast is the Mark of Islam. Saves yourselves before it's too late. Repent, get baptized in the name of Jesus for the remission of sin and get filled with the Holy Spirit. Acts 2:38. This is the plan of Salvation. Bro. Charles Gregory Marlowe.
I received the Holy Spirit 35 years ago speaking in other tongues standing in front of my brothers house in Tempe, Arizona. It was at that time that God began revealing to me that I must live a Holy Life. That the prayers of a righteous man availeth much. I prayed for people and they were miraculously healed. I never had more power to live for God. My life and heart were greatly changed. And the Holy ghost lead me into more truth. And about seven months later I got baptized in Jesus' Name
@thegodlessgeneration ok how about this: it was written by over 40 authors, during a1,500 year span, across 3 continents, & 3 languages. Yet it is completely internally-consistent.he It's been read by more people and published in more languages than any other book in history. And trust me when I say is has withstood much more intelligent criticism over the centuries than anything you have to offer.
Macarthur says that the gift of tongues is not mentioned in any other book in the New Testament, but in Acts and in the 1 Corinthian letter. Check 2 Timothy 1:6
Therefore I put thee in remembrance that thou stir up the ---gift of God--- which is in thee through the putting on of my hands.
@sgentlemanjack112 That is such a bad answer. You know why? You are saying the reason it is still around is because people can't prove it wrong. You don't believe something because of that reason - you believe it because it's been proven RIGHT.
Common sense refutes it - someone can't just make all the light in a day. And you know what? So much of it has been proven wrong, but that doesn't matter, because people will always believe in this stuff. They have this "feeling" with god. That's that.
@godzac You're right someone can't make light in a day, but then again God is not just someone. He's the eternal ruler of the universe whom time can't even contain. You say so much of it has been proven wrong, but that couldn't be more wrong. When people thought the earth was flat the bible said it was round and just the book of proverbs alone has so much truth that applies to everyday life. And btw knowing God isn't about a "feeling" it's an awesome experience knowing Jesus and serving Him.
@AllForChrist77 A. What is it that you don't believe when Stephen Hawking says the universe is billions of years old? What is wrong with this statement? There is solid proof for this.
B. Tell me this: all you know about god is that he apparently exists. I know you have never met 'him'. Why don't you tell me what he looks like then. Why do you think I can't believe in him? Because he doesn't show himself to me (why??)... Don't say it's only a feeling, because then IT'S ONLY A FEELING!
@godzac The reason I don't believe in What Steven says is because he's just a man, I have a book with the words of God himself. Also because the "solid proofs" you mentioned aren't so solid. I know a lot more about God than the simple fact He exists. I know Him through His word and Through my relationship w/ Him. I can't tell u what He looks like, but can u tell me what evolution looked like when it made the world? God shows Himself through His creation, but also He's not gonna ....
@AllForChrist77 ...show Himself to someone who denies Him. The bible says you have to come to God and really want to know Him, and believe He exist. Can u do that? U remind me so much of myself I was just like u. I hated christians and didn't believe in God. But Jesus changed my heart and now I know and love Him. This thing is bigger than a feeling it's 100% real. Ur not me so how can u say I don't know what I'm talkin bout? U can't honestly say that I don't know Him becuz U don't know.
@AllForChrist77 God is real man. I'm praying like He did with me that He'll open ur eyes to see that He is. I know we don't agree but I do respect the fact that you've told me what you believe to be true. I've been where u are and now I'm on the other side and loving it. Ur in my prayers. God bless
@sgentlemanjack112 1Co 14:2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
1Co 14:3 But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.
1Co 14:4 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.
@sgentlemanjack112. I'm more incline to think that John McArthur is Demonic,and of course most people that speak in so called tongues are fakers but i have seen some real ones but they are rare most are gibberish nonsense.But this guy John is not of God for sure, the things that come out of this guy's mouth He must be demon filled, the EGO of this man is like a mountain and not only him but most of those famous ministers. I believe the Bible and the Bible proves this man to be a liar. (Contd.)
@dandom01 thats how you know when a pastor is speaking truth, its just like kent hovind, the whole world starts going against you, and that is no shock really, because the bible says we live in the world but we are not of the world when we are in Christ. Just want to remind you that people said to Jesus that he is a prince of evil, and the reply was that it is almost an unforgivable sin to sin against the holy spirit. be careful when you accuse, because you reap what you sow.
@dandom01 . Be careful of judging John MacArthur. He is a son of God and is used by God mightily. I never even find a preacher like him to this generation. He is just preaching the truth! unlike other existing preachers nowadays, they lower the gospel inorder to gain more members in their local church and that would lead then to easy believism. Why not study the Bible and ask the Holy Spirit to guide you in order for you to know the word of God and that John MacArthur is a real preacher.
@MrJese27 If John MacArthur's father is god, then who is his grandfather? And who is the mother? And don't even think about answering "He just pops out of the sky" (like god), because you and I both know that's nonsense.
First heard this counterfeit gibberish in a "house group" couple of days after "getting saved" ....if there had been 13 people in that house I was for jumping through the closed window!
This man is preaching the truth .God bless in jesus's name .
I STRONGLY DISAGREE. JUST BECAUSE THERE ARE MANY WHO OBVIOUSLY SPEAK IN TONGUES AND IT IS NOT OF GOD, BECAUSE THEIR FRUITS CERTAINLY SHOW IT. BUT THIS DOES NOT MEAN THAT THE REST OF US WHO SPEAK IN TONGUES ARE PAGAN. PLEASE READ ROMANS 8 - 26
I Corinthians 14:2 For the one who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God; FOR NO ONE UNDERSTANDS but in his spirit he speaks mysteries.
It is TRUE that all tongues, whether spoken in private for private edification or in a gathering, are languages, including the so-called "gibberish." I have had NUMEROUS experiences where "gibberish" was interpreted both in a formal and informal setting.
@denoinwa by men it means "ungodly" "of the flesh" "temporally minded" etc.. if you took it literally why dont you take the part that say "no one understands" literally? no-one means no-one
@HECH0ENMEXICO there obviously is nothing clear about this verse. that's why there's so much misunderstanding of it. but just think of it like this... Every commandment is for the edification and sanctification of the people who follow them. How does speaking gibberish edify or sanctify anyone? why not just speak normally ?
The toungs described in the bible are described that people understand the words in their own language but the toungs you see in alot of penecostal churches today are not understandable...
NO ONE who knows the reality of tongues pays any attention whatsoever to anyone like MacArthur, and especially the toxic blashphemers. When a person's "faith" is anchored in reasoning, these unfortunate people project the notion that "gibberish" is something that can be reasonably refuted when in reality it is a most holy, sacred means of communication with a Holy God. They are to be highly pitied as their ignorance knows no bounds.
I do not believe the intimate practice of tongues is a dividing line that makes some people more spiritual than others. However, there is an obvious link between tongues and an awareness of the supernatural. It is no coincidence that those who constantly blaspheme the Holy Spirit with regard to many of His works do not speak in tongues. With many, the breakthrough with tongues represents a departure from a "faith" languishing in the soul realm and devoid of Spirit life.
What does Paul mean, and what is the REAL testimony of millions of believers with regard to the edifying nature of tongues? Tongues, the prayer language, circumvents the mind and provides a powerful connection spirit to Spirit. It is a most basic connection with the Spirit of God that encourages and cleanses. The distastrous effects of so-called believers whose Christianity is anchored in the soul is evident here, resulting in blasphemies against God and His people.
Speaking of "gibberish," it always amazes me how people interpret "test the spirits" exclusively in terms of objective truth, and then pursue their arguments like an ignorant blowhard as if no one has ever debated this issue. How about the foul religious spirit which will deny supernatural activity at all cost? Who among those opposing a "prayer language" is not immersed in Old Covenant thinking, blinded by the veil of the law? This is the real test, and it is not objective.
Calling tongues "gibberish" is an anti-Christ spirit bent on blaspheming the things of God. Saying that the Holy Spirit must meet a human standard of a "sound mind" is idolatry of the mind, ignorance, and immaturity in the extreme.
All sins shall be forgiven ... Blasphemy of the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven. If you go to the other extreme You have the deadness of religion the same thing that crucified our Lord and Savoir Jesus Christ. The Apostle John wrote that you have need that no man teach you but the anoiting you received at the beginning He( the Holy Spirit ) shall lead and teach you all things......... Let no man deceive you............. Jesus Saves
WOWZERS!!! any1 with eyes that can see, KNOWS this is NOT of the Living God of the Bible. This is DEMONIC! the Holy Spirit is that of a SOUND MIND and UNDERSTANDING. Discernment will tell you plainly that this flailing and gibberish is POSSESSION. I will PRAY for all of these DECEIVED souls.
Based on what Paul said re praying & singing in the Spirit, but without understanding (since singing can only be done with the voice) it would seem clear that this praying & singing is done in tongues.& since praying & singing are done in tongues, they are not ONLY used as a witness to people. Also the fact that Paul said "though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels" it seems clear that the "gibberish" some speak MAY be angelic languages. That said, it is clear there ARE counterfeits.
"I will pray with the Spirit, & I will pray with the understanding also" clearly praying with the Spirit is not praying in a known language or understanding would be involved. "I will sing with the Spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also." ie praying & singing in the Spirit is done without understanding what is prayed or sung. Since singing is done in the Spirit but clearly with the voice, praying in Spirit would also be done with the voice but without understanding what is prayed.
I have to disagree with MacArthur when he says there were never "ecstasies" ie "going out of yourself" - leaving the body or something similar. Peter went into a trance-like state Acts 10:10 Paul had an experience where he did not know if he was "in the body or out of the body" 2 Corinthians 12:12 & received revelations. Paul also mentions PRAYER in tongues,,SINGING in the Spirit,
1 Cor 14:13-15 and "tongues of men and of angels" 1 Corinthians 13:1
since when were emotions and feelings inherently bad? emotionalism is an etreme but last time i checked God created emotions. many are the fruit of the Holy Spirit. "The joy of the Lord is my strength" for crying out loud.
And when do demons ever worship Jesus? spiritual gifts including speaking in tongues should always serve for mission and ultimately the worship of God.
@hunterdoesmagic Emotions are both. Emotion caused me to do one of the best things in my life; marry my wife. Not a lot of logic went into that decision. By the same token some of the stupidest things I have ever done or said were caused by emotion. We should be wary of emotionsbut use them when appropriate.
@hunterdoesmagic Emotions were created perfect but the fall gave us knolege of good and evil. Everything has a flip side Emotions can be good but if you are a slave or ruled by your emotions they are bad.
@gilbert4321 very true. i just question the very framework of MacArthur's argument. because if his framework is fallen, then the whole house will fall in as well. my point being that emotions can be redeemed (of course they'refallen. that is incredibly evident). but thanks be for Jesus. i like Him alot.
It is rather humorous to see arrogant people rant about how knowledgeable they are, and how tongue-speaking people dont have it. Just more extreme ignorance from self-proclaimed theologians. There is knowledge that does nothing but puff up, and there is knowledge of relationship, which is what the Bible endorses: "You diligently study the Scriptures because you think that by them you possess eternal life. These are the Scriptures that testify about me,"
@denoinwa I think it's disheartening to see someone accuse of pride when they themselves are so caught up in a religious doctrine that teaches there is a second infilling that we have to have that puts them above everybody who doesn't have it. And you're taking scripture out of context, which is no surprise. Christ was speaking to the Jews who should have recognized Him as Messiah. You're talking about gibberish that has its roots in paganism. Kinda not the same thing.
@jayjaygee123 My statement about arrogance was directed to certain individuals who MUST paint charismatics as "illiterate." That is not only arrogant, it is pure delusion. If you would like to own that comment, be my guest. Did I ever say that you are less spritual than anyone who speaks in tongues? NO, I DID NOT. It is one thing NOT to speak in tongues. It is quite another to blaspheme the Holy Spriit and call something Holy of the devil. I wouldnt want to be you, frankly.
@denoinwa To quote someone who you might consider very wise; "You are a presumptuous, blooming idiot... religionized beyond your intelligence." I didn't paint you as illiterate. Blind maybe. But no one questions your ability to read. And I would never dare call something holy of the devil. But if it looks like paganism, it sounds like paganism, it finds its root in paganism, it denies that the filling of the Holy Spirit is synonymous with salvation it is heresy and evil, of the devil, not holy.
@jayjaygee123 And your presumption continues. Who said the filling of the Holy Spirit is not synonomous with salvation? You may be disillusioned by the culture of a particular charismatic community, but this has nothing to do with whether tongues is of the devil. Did Israel accuse Moses of paganism when his snake swallowed up Pharoah's? Blind is a person who continuously finds excuses to support pure presumption.
@denoinwa Then what is this "Baptism of the Holy Spirit that speaking in unknown tongues is an evidence of?" Are there not two fillings? Is there not a higher level after salvation? You don't even know your own doctrine. You're blind to scripture and ignorant of the beliefs you claim; grow up.
@jayjaygee123 Its pretty tough to talk to a person given to presumption. Speaking of maturity, did it ever occur to you that there are different beliefs regarding the filling of the Holy Spirit and the evidence thereof, that all tongue-speaking people may not believe the same thing? A child not only constantly makes unfounded presumptions, they are so boxed in by formulas they cannot think straight if they tried.
What happened in the Pentecost day with 120 persons gathered to pray ? What is written in Mc.16 : 17.? What kind of Gospel are you preaching Mr. Mac Arthur ? This is a demonic gospel , nothing Biblical !
@MrSimpet111 YEAH? I have seen people laughing like hyenas and rolling on the floor in the belief that hey are doing so under the power of the Holy spirit. I find no evidence for that in scripture.. not anywhere.
@ denoinwa...What exactly does your name mean? Why did you respond to my comment with the exact same response? You're saying some incredibly negative things about a man who has served God faithfully throughout the world for many years. What is your background...education...testimony?
@denoinwa Yes and no. You reject reason. You say John Macarthur rejects feeling (though he doesn't; simply that "good" feelings that are misinformed aren't the same as properly informed joy infused by the Word of God). Christ Himself said "For the time is coming, and now is, when the the true worships will worship in Spirit and in TRUTH. For that is the kind of worship that the Father desires." And how do we learn truth? "Sanctify them in Your truth; Your word is truth."
@jayjaygee123 There will always be those who value objective truth over SPIRIT, and you are apparently one. All truth is in Christ, and all truth comes from Christ, who is both SPIRIT and reason. There is clear evidence in the scripture for tongues as a prayer language, validated by millions of people. To deny this is ignorance in the extreme. Frankly, people who speak in tongues could care less about JM as he is preaching to the choir. He just robs people like you of the blessing.
@thedagonjones Haha, you are funny. "When the letter J was invented". Funny that Islam also has the name "Jesus" in it and the Koran's original text still exists in its untranslated form. So your cute theory is debunked. Not that I believe Islam is correct, I don't. But the fact that other religions independent of Christianity have the name (J)esus in them proves that it was really Jesus.
ImSoPeeved 5 days ago
It's fake. It's just a bunch of people doing it because others are doing it. I can get a friend to chug a beer if I start chanting "chug, chug chug." Even if he doesn't want to. I did it a few times tonight. You get ten people in a room together and nine of them speak in tongues; give it a couple days. All ten will speak in tongues. Ask anyone from any religion. They will tell you why it's real. It's the same reason Christianity is real; because it's fake. We make it real.
jessemidyett1 1 week ago
Of course it can be demonic... Demons know languages too, duh.
But just because demons can talk doesn't mean we shouldn't.
TrustGodToday 1 week ago
Honestly, NO it is not demonic .. who ever tells this is demonic .., then you are Blaspheming God! it's a different language ... a GIFT! maybe John McArthur is an AntiChrist .. I just said MAYBE .
zaema21 1 week ago
@thedagonjones Dude, you're dumb. Haha King James wasn't a homosexual. There was a guy who got upset with James and wrote a paper saying he was, but King James was already dead. Those close to King James denied him being homosexual.
FROG070706 2 weeks ago
What a liar MacArthur is! I cannot stand this heady lying wolf! He is just as bad as the Creflo's, Osteens, Meyers, and all of the other counterfeit sorcerers!!! MacArthur is a BLASPHEMER OF THE HOLY SPIRIT OF GOD!!
Zionfreak 2 weeks ago
@Zionfreak MacArthur is a great man. And how dare you gossip about him. Mature Christians don't gossip.
FROG070706 2 weeks ago 2
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I heard of how Jesus changed other people's lives and I wanted it too.I was a lying stealing cheating arrogant sexually immoral drug-addicted jerk.I knew I was bad and wanted to be good.I asked Jesus to take control of my life because I had made a mess of it.He came and purified my thought-life and heart. Though he was innocent, I believe He died for my sins, and came to life again. Understanding His love I trust Him and let Him transform my life.I have peace now i didnt know was possible.
djquiz6425 2 weeks ago
@thedagonjones i'm not here to argue with you
sgentlemanjack112 3 weeks ago
@thedagonjones dude, you shtick is really really old. It's been debunked, move on.
If you want to obsess over it, go to the channel of an Expert in the field. Why does an atheist come here to rant about the mystery-religion as if Christians never heard that line before.
sgentlemanjack112 3 weeks ago
@thedagonjones ... you are getting your mystery-religion-propaganda mixed up.
What you meant to say (which is also incorrect)
Is the Isis was the virgin who gave birth to Horus. Horus and Jesus are the proper analogy.(the proper False-Analogy. )
This claim have been debunked for centuries. There are hundreds of articles and dozens of documentaries you could access within 20 seconds if yo care to actually seek truth. Instead you make yourself look foolish for believing silly rubbish/
sgentlemanjack112 3 weeks ago
@thedagonjones Sir/ Ma am, you are in need of more than I am able to offer... but I know a man named Jesus. He can help you to find your way. Peace.
ministeroffire1970 3 weeks ago
@thedagonjones I have no idea what you are talking about.
ministeroffire1970 3 weeks ago
@thedagonjones The Lord loves you.
ministeroffire1970 3 weeks ago
@coltsrule5150 If i may... I realize that many things that God does is, in our eyes troubling & leaves many questions unanswered. One must realize that by being God His ways are higher than our ways His thoughts higher than our thoughts. God knows the unknowns & works with these eternal variables tailored to the uniqueness of each individual life. Our minds are finite & incapable of such feats. Some struggle just balancing a check book. I can assure you that God is good and just in all His ways.
ministeroffire1970 3 weeks ago
Baptists... they have a true respect for the Word, but what the DON"T KNOW about the Holy Spirit, could fill a whole lot of books.
We need MORE Holy Spirit, not less!
It is amazing, he is SELLING the vatican/new age/ corrupted Bible per-versions like ESV, NASB, NKJ,with his commentary. When you are taking out words like hell, repent, prayer and fasting, Mark 16, and sell to unsuspecting Christians, and sleep at night? He acts like he is completely unaware of the value of the textus receptus MS.
elijahfire1 3 weeks ago
@elijahfire1 Good comment.
ministeroffire1970 3 weeks ago
@Jesus4you100
I'm not being confrontational or anything but what do you think about what he said. Is he wrong?
ironmike024 4 weeks ago
hhmmm interesting..I am wondering what God will think Of John Macarthur
Jesus4you100 1 month ago
@Jesus4you100 That's Right.
zaema21 1 week ago
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1 Corinthians 14:38-40 But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.Let all things be done decently and in order.
2000agogo 1 month ago
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Heh Man of God,you lack the anointing to speak or pray in tongue cus you are "canal" depending on your own understanding instead of the knowledge the holy spirit teaches.See,it takes the spirit of God to know the thing of God,so if you are not spiritual you will definitely say it's demonic. 1 Corinthians 14:38-40 But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.Let all things be done decently and in order.
2000agogo 1 month ago
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Is because John MacArthur lack the spirit and the anointing so He just concluded that all that speak in tongue is evil. He never desire it cus all He does is teaches not praying in the holy ghost. If he ever hear demon speak out from someone i guess he will know what we are talking about.John can't even cast out devil cus he lack the power in the holy spirit t
2000agogo 1 month ago
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See,cuz John MacArthur is a great teacher doesn't makes him spiritual.See,Education one acquired from school is not the same as the one the spirit teaches.You wonder most of the early church Disciples were fisher Men,carpenters and the like.They know what's spiritual cus they were not canal.JW witness don't believe in tongue, Mormons doesn't,catholic doesn't and MacArthur doesn't but the "Christians that are spiritual does,But what makes MacArthur different from these occults? It's sad!
2000agogo 1 month ago
@coltsrule5150
theplanetariumscene 2 months ago
@sgentlemanjack112 do you think you have one for it?
coltsrule5150 2 months ago
@sgentlemanjack112 "You traded your atheism for a goofy, long debunked religion"
no i didnt trade my atheism for anything
i became atheis when i read the bible
and i didnt have to read much
moses goes to the pharoah of egypt and tells him he wants to take his people and leave egypt
the pharoah tells moses "no"
so what does the all powerful god do,out of all the things he can do
he kills the first born of egypt
was it the kids that said no,did they even know about the debate?
coltsrule5150 2 months ago
@TheNFLGreats I agree with you, not everyone that speaks in toungues jumps up and down or loses their composure or their conciousness.
heartnmind1 2 months ago
@heartnmind1 There are varying degrees of experiences. If you have a limited interest in God then YOU will have a limited experience with God. Knock & it shall be opened, seek & ye shall find. It's kind of like the layers of an onion. God already knows us, it is we who need to seek & know God on a higher plain. What would you say of the experiences of say Elijah, Elisha, Enoch, Moses & Paul. Powerful & unexplainable experiences are reserved for those who desire to know the deep things of God.
ministeroffire1970 3 weeks ago
@ministeroffire1970 I would say the experiences of the men you mentioned were fundamentally different than the counterfeit shown in the video.
sgentlemanjack112 3 weeks ago
@sgentlemanjack112 I did not listen to the message presented in the video longer than a few minutes, so I am unable to reference the meaning of 'counterfeit' that you termed as I am established in my on belief system regarding the tongues and was more interested in reading the comments of the people. My comment in no way reflects my opinion of the video as I dont have one but rather an independent thought to share. God bless.
ministeroffire1970 3 weeks ago
3 - I agree that we need to pray for the unsaved and the brethren. I also believe we shouldn't be given to useless arguments. However, I'm talking about a movement in the church today where wolves come in (false miracle workers looking for money/fame) beat up Christian's ability to discern right doctrine by mangling scripture/the approach to the Bible and potentially hook people up with a demon so that they think they're seeing correctly/spiritual when they're poor, deaf and blind.
steveoho 2 months ago
2 - The passage in Mark is almost certainly added to the Bible... many Bibles have it in the subscript as it didn't appear in manuscripts until very late. Also, from 1 Cor 12:30 it seems clearly implied that not everyone will have these specific gifts. Personally I think people see the pagan expression and then try to validate it in the Bible... as such I commonly see loose at best and sometimes heretical teaching coming out of many Charismatics. They also mangle Mark 11:23 to stop dissent.
steveoho 2 months ago
@steveoho Check this out. SOME of the oldest manuscripts leave them out, while others had it. One note got very specific & said SOME GREEK Manuscripts leave those verses out. As I said earlier,we can't get in depth here, but I strongly suggest that those who want the Truth seek it EARNESTLY & not take the word of those who speculate based on very sketchy evidence. SOME of the Oldest Manuscripts did not have these verses,but OTHER OLDEST Manuscripts DID have the verses!
Heavendreamer2 2 months ago
@Heavendreamer2 I'm ok with saying that Mark 16 may be true though I cannot verify it is in the Bible. As I said in 1 Cor 12:29,30 it is clear that not all will have these gifts. Any movement that tries to "teach" tongues or says all should have it is inviting demons.
steveoho 2 months ago
@steveoho I completely agree with you that not all Christians will necessarily have that gift, though the bible says that God will not withhold any good thing from them that walk uprightly, & Paul encouraged us to seek the gifts earnestly. I do NOT believe that it can be 'taught', and I do NOT believe that it is the only evidence of a true salvation as some say. (see next)
Heavendreamer2 2 months ago
@steveoho A guy close to me was told he wasn't saved because he didn't have tongues. For 12 yrs he prayed for tongues & got nothing & thought God didn't love him. I tried to show him via the scriptures that the teaching(that he had to have it) was false. After a week of praying (in tongues) about other things, this came up,& God manifested His presence as I showed him in the scriptures that he had believed a lie. He was set free,& received tongues not long after. It wasn't learned, it was given.
Heavendreamer2 2 months ago
@steveoho I disagree... the KJV is the perfect translation of the holy scriptures... the textus receptus is correct.. The NIV is a perverted translation removing many truths from the Bible and you ought to be aware of the spiritual battle, whereby Satan has in modern times changed the word of God to water down the truth of scripture. Indeed, the modern translations remove the deity of Christ, remove the virgin birth and may other items...
GordonCope 2 months ago
@GordonCope if the KJV is the "perfect" text, why did it remove the word "dulas" , or slave, and replaced it with "bond servant".
The only "Perfect" version is the Original.
sgentlemanjack112 2 months ago
@sgentlemanjack112 I am one who reads and studies from the KJV. But to make it clear and to speak against KJV onlyist, the KJV does not contain the perfect translation of the English, but it is the completeness of the text that I trust, in which derives from the received text following the Massorah. I don't trust the newer versions, which come from the vaticanus and sinaiticus, because they are corrupted by Catholicism and paganism. The KJV is complete, but needs further breaking down.
underground0331 2 months ago
@sgentlemanjack112 The newer version like the NIV, NLT, ESV, CEV etc, were corrupted long ago by a pagan Christian named Origen. And is this text that Eusebius(a student of Origen) used to produce 50 bibles for Constantine. And it is this same text theat Westcott and Hort use to make the newer Bibles used today, full of omissions, deletions, and flat out mistranslations.
In case you didn't know this, some food for thought.
Grace be with you brother, in Christ Jesus
underground0331 2 months ago
@sgentlemanjack112 I agree, the only perfect is the original. We should all search out these things, but dis-fellowshiping over this and making this our main issue gets us far far away from Christ' Great Commission.
steveoho 2 months ago
@GordonCope KJV does this over 100 times.
sgentlemanjack112 2 months ago
@GordonCope I'm not getting into this argument... its over minutiae and it presupposes that allowed the church to flounder until the "perfect" KJV arrived. This argument also turns more people than I know away from loving and sharing the gospel because they are convinced, with little evidence, that Satan is leading whole wings of the church simply because they don't worship the KJV and the super-inspiration of its authors. I like the KJV, but I see good in other translations too
steveoho 2 months ago
Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
Jesus and the disciples did not speak in language so why do something that is gone there 20 centuries. Do you know that speaking in the language blah blah blah reappeared in the late 19 th century? I do not think it comes from God. I think some pastors wanted to take a personal glory and they invent something spectacular to attract crowds.
carls1970 2 months ago
@carls1970 Reappeared? Its been here all along. There are pagans around the world who practice the same kinds of tongues done in many "churches" today. I agree with you though... I'd have to see some early church writings where the practice is legitimately described as speech which nobody understands.
steveoho 2 months ago
@steveoho Christians spoke in the tongues (languages) of men AND of Angels
1 Cor 13:1. Clearly an angelic language is different from a human one. At Pentecost, 'cloven tongues LIKE as of a fire' appeared (manifested) to them and 'sat on' each of them. This was not literal 'tongues of fire' appearing over them; the original language shows this was a manifestation that spread 'like a fire' to the apostles "And they began to speak with OTHER tongues (languages) Acts2:4 see also Mark 16:17
Heavendreamer2 2 months ago
@Heavendreamer2 I'm not sure one can say definitively that men can speak in the tongues of angels... the 1 Cor 13 is more a figure of speech. It simply would not benefit the church.
What I was saying in my previous post is that the "tongues" predominantly in churches today is pagan at best and probably demonic. I also challenged people who believe that is real tongues to show me documents of old where "tongues" survived the first century. Its not even in the later Bible books
steveoho 2 months ago
@steveoho Regardless of whether or not the earliest Christians spoke in angelic or human languages, they most definitely spoke in "other" ie "different" languages - that is what the word 'other' is in the Greek - Different - So tell me... if the Christians spoke "other" or "different" languages, what do you suppose that means? Clearly not languages they had learned. Where is your proof that tongues/languages today are demonic? Satan counterfeits healing too, does that mean God no longer heals?
Heavendreamer2 2 months ago
@steveoho #2 Consider the fact that the Lord told us "THESE SIGNS SHALL FOLLOW THEM THAT BELIEVE: IN MY NAME THEY WILL CAST OUT DEVILS; THEY SHALL SPEAK WITH NEW (RESTORED) TONGUES (LANGUAGES)..THEY SHALL LAY HANDS ON THE SICK, AND THEY SHALL RECOVER..." MARK 16:17-18 commission to preach the gospel - signs would follow. By saying tongues is demonic you contradict God. Satan has his counterfeits,but that does not negate the real thing. The Bible IS the early Church writing & is all I need
Heavendreamer2 2 months ago
@steveoho #3 As for languages of angels not benefiting the church, how so? The 'other languages' spoken by the apostles, clearly languages they did not already know, were understood by those who gathered round to hear them. Whether the language is angelic or human, God works the miracle & produces the benefit. IT IS TRUE THAT SOME 'TONGUE SPEAKING' TAKING PLACE EVEN IN CHURCHES IS NOT LEGIT, BUT COUNTERFEIT, BUT THE LEGITIMATE GIFT HAS NOT BEEN DONE AWAY WITH.
Heavendreamer2 2 months ago
@steveoho MY CAPS ARE FOR EMPHASIS - I hope this did not come across as me being angry, because I am not at all. One thing is certain... the church should not be fighting over these things, We need to pray for one another, to bear with one another as the Lord calls us to - and to not fall for satan's trap by falling into arguments - rather,we need to pray for the unsaved & that the Lord will keep us from error, in His Truth/Paths etc. God Bless all who truly love Him
Heavendreamer2 2 months ago
@Heavendreamer2 If you get a chance look up "Kundalini Warning". You might think that its a bit more important then. If people are actually giving themselves over to pagan and demonic practices. In the Acts 2 passage I'm unsure if they each spoke one thing and everyone understood the one speaking in their tongue or the people hearing had Gods grace to be able to understand any person... but its clear in 1 Cor that if nobody is there who can hear then they should remain silent
steveoho 2 months ago
@steveoho Actually I have Kundalini Warning on my favs for the specific reason that spiritual counterfeits ARE dangerous & the church needs to be aware of them. I go into great detail tracing the roots of the contemplative mysticism counterfeits which infiltrated the church early in Christianity in my video on Spiritual Disciplines (in my playlist under New Spirituality -Mysticism in the Church) Believe me, I know much of the church is involved in pagan spirituality & have been warning of it
Heavendreamer2 2 months ago
@Heavendreamer2 Can you explain why this "reappearance" of tongues has happened? Why for 95 percent of the time between now and Christ this gift was largely not visible. Can you honestly tell me with 100% certainty that this movement in the church of a gibberish tongue that nobody and even the speaker do not understand is of God?
steveoho 2 months ago
@steveoho 1. Why are you so certain it 'disappeared'? 2. for almost 1500 yrs the church was in spiritual darkness until reformation,& even then did not completely come out of it.3. Didn't documentation occur at the same time as REVIVAL did? Think about that. Gideon mentioned they did not see the miracles their ancestors spoke of for a VERY long time. Why? because the people were not walking right with God. Suddenly, he finds himself talking with the very One who caused those miracles.
Heavendreamer2 2 months ago
@steveoho 4. I have the gift, & struggled with doubts & prayed about it on & off whether it was from God. I had not prayed in tongues for a very long time, & when I started again, it sounded like the same sentences over & over again. That made me start doubting again, so I cried out to the Lord & told him that if I was to believe it was Him I needed Him to restore it to whole language. He did it instantly, and the FRUIT also confirms it.
Heavendreamer2 2 months ago
@Heavendreamer2 Fruit? Somebody understood it and was edified? If all you're talking about is good feelings and tears then I don't care to hear it.
steveoho 2 months ago
@steveoho The FRUIT I am talking about is not that situation. I only mentioned the situation to help you see that after 12 years of bondage to a false teaching (ie that he had to have tongues to be saved) he was finally released from it when the Lord CONFIRMED by His presence what I was showing him in the Word. He had not been convinced by the scripture alone in previous attempts, but only after much private prayer which happened to be in tongues. My Testimony has nothing to do with tongues.
Heavendreamer2 2 months ago
@steveoho 5. I really want to encourage you to listen to my testimony 'God Revealed Himself to Me' on my channel. I think it will help you understand where I am at spiritually. Tongues are only gibberish to those who don't know the language. Acts2 says they spoke in other languages-.it would have sounded like gibberish to many.There are languages that sound like popping noises that are legit.And Satan knows languages too & could counterfeit them.The evidence is in the FRUIT & Scripture combined
Heavendreamer2 2 months ago
@steveoho Heretical teaching/ watered down gospel are signs of the times we are in, but please realize that these,& other counterfeits are not limited to Charismatic believers. We simply believe in the gifts of the Holy Spirit & seek the Lord in operating in those gifts. I have been used of the Lord, and know of others who have as well, to pray & see legit miracles.Paul told us to seek the gifts, yet there are many who say they have ceased.Why is this insisted on with little to no evidence?
Heavendreamer2 2 months ago
@Heavendreamer2 Interesting to note... the word gift isn't even in the passage. As I see it, Paul is calling the church to live by the spirit and seek the spirit filled life that we may edify the church. This is why he talks of love so much. Speaking something that cannot be understood/interpreted and only makes you stand out/get noticed is not loving, but useless and should not be uttered. Whether this is legitimately tongues... I am unsure, but its current practice is bad
steveoho 2 months ago
@steveoho 3. Mark Passage: As for 'critical' modern editions of the bible published in our day,many base them on limited & conflicting evidence. These are very murky waters you are wading into now, far beyond the scope of what we can get into here. The majority of bibles&Manuscripts supported the reading in 1990 ( Philip W. Comfort- Early Manuscripts & Modern Translations of the New Testament) Suddenly most "critical" editions leave it out? What are they critical of? Clearly,the Bible itself
Heavendreamer2 2 months ago
There are accounts of new converts this day and age who do not know of the personal prayer life of tongues and break into tongues as they worship God in spirit and in truth. Jesus Himself is The baptizer and declared if we being evil know how to give good gifts, how much more Our Heavenly Father knows to, He will not allow you to receive a scorpion if you ask for a fish.That is a promise from God who can not lie.
TheAgateman1 2 months ago
People using 1 Cor 13-vs11 to say that tongues have ceased clearly haven't read ALL of verse 8, which says Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away. Followed by verse 10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away. So if you say tongues have ceased, then you are also saying that knowledge has vanished! The perfect has not come yet!
GordonCope 2 months ago
@GordonCope Admittedly people running into walls and bouncing off tables are not being consistent with what we read in the Bible. I speak in tongues and I have never done any of that. It is a personal prayer language, which God gave me. I'm quite concerned with John Mac's bad argument against tongues because he picks and chooses scriptures to suit his argument, but ignores others such as Paul saying the following -1 Corinthians 14:5 I would that ye all spake with tongues,... THUS encourages it!
GordonCope 2 months ago
@GordonCope the verse continues with the following ...'but even more to prophesy. The one who prophesies is greater than the one who speaks in tongues, unless someone interprets, so that the church may be built up.', HOWEVER this does not negate what Paul said in the first clause. It is just saying prophecy is more edifying. John Mac's dangerous stance of slamming the gift of tongues is dishonouring God because it is a gift of the Holy Spirit.
GordonCope 2 months ago
@GordonCope Amen,these signs shall follow those that believe and the enemy would desire to destroy the seeking of Spiritual gifts from God.I know that The Holy Spirit aids our prayers an helps us with his lead whereby we cry ,Abba ,Father,with groanings that we can not properly express,for we in our human understanding do not always know how to pray as we ought so He intercedes on our behalf bypassing our intellect. He takes us to the core of the matter.
TheAgateman1 2 months ago
@TheAgateman1 no matter how many times i read that passage, i cannot contort it enough to mean unintelligible gibberish. A groaning is born of anguish or deep desire. Not of an excited gibberish. Not something used b/c it makes you feel good.
sgentlemanjack112 2 months ago
@sgentlemanjack112 That passage could be taken as noise. What the passage is stating Is in your quiet time of prayer The Holy Spirit can help you pray, we may not find the worlds to deeply convey and express our or others needs. He knows our hearts and at times we are lost for words of expression He will intervene When one calls upon Jesus. Yes He can use even there tongue for intercessory prayer.This has nothing to do with putting on an babelling show.
TheAgateman1 2 months ago
@TheAgateman1 The purpose of spiritual gifts is not self-edification.
All spiritual gifts are for edification of the church.
Every person I talk to about this always refers to it
as a private prayer language for just them and for their own edification.
I say this with all due respect....but isn't that spiritual masturbation?
is that what God wants? Really?
sgentlemanjack112 2 months ago
@sgentlemanjack112 You are right and wrong . There is the gift for edification of The Body of Christ and a personal gift for your own prayer life as well.Jude 20,1 Corinthians 14:14-17 is referring to both gifts.Also Acts 2:38-39 declares it is for everyone who believes and not only for the immediate generation but for future ones as well.As many as The Lord our God shall call. Not all people have the gift of speaking to the body though,that is clarified as well by Paul.
TheAgateman1 2 months ago
@sgentlemanjack112 When Paul said a person praying in an unknown tongue edifies themselves & speaks to God, this does not imply there is no benefit. Rather, it tells us a person MAY pray to God in a language they don't understand & by this means they are edified. Is this not what God wants for all His children? that we be built up in Him? Prayer for ourselves & others is not self-indulgent, not satisfying the flesh, but prayer in the Spirit for the benefit of many. ALL are edified by prayer.
Heavendreamer2 2 months ago
@Heavendreamer2 The passage seems to indicate that its self-edification because it causes him to stand out among his brethren without any of them actually being edified/built-up. I do like MacArthur's challenge to go through the Bible and find a prayer like the kind uttered by these supposed tongue speakers... none of the prophets did it and Jesus certainly didn't. From Acts its understandable, but in 1 Corinthians where Paul is rebuking the church over this practice its not
steveoho 2 months ago
@sgentlemanjack112 You think people praying in tongues are only praying for themselves for some kind of self gratification you equate to sensual pleasure? Edification is being built up in our faith, strengthened in God.. It is God who gives the Gifts, and His own Spirit who operates them within us. If He works in us to pray in another language when our heart is overwhelmed with concern or grief or w/e for others, for souls, &yes,even for ourselves, how is that a selfish act to let Him?
Heavendreamer2 2 months ago
@Heavendreamer2 Thats like saying God needs to untie his hands through us to do the work that needs to be done in this world so he forces out this speech of our mouths. Its absurd. God could instantly change us in a moment if he wanted to, but he does not because he wants us to know Him. Prayer is one of our greatest means of knowing him because it serves as communication between us. If we don't understand what we are saying then this isn't truly communication, but bluster.
steveoho 2 months ago
@sgentlemanjack112 I gave you black and white scripture and did not talk about something which, 'makes me feel good'. You can believe what you want to believe, but I believe God. It is interesting that when I hear a Chinese person it sounds complete gibberish to me, but guess what - millions of people understand it. Oh and it's a language of God too - so be careful on showing contempt for such things. When I speak in tongues it is not repetition, but a clear distinct language
GordonCope 2 months ago
@GordonCope I don't know about yours, but many people's "tongues" have been examined and they simply do not have all the aspects required of a language. I've heard of other experiences where someone was praying in their native tongue and then someone stood up to give a spirit given interpretation. I just see no or extremely little discretion used in the churches regarding this gift.
steveoho 2 months ago
@steveoho not for one moment am I suggesting that all tongues are genuine - that is not my scriptural argument. I have also heard people who seemed to be 'faking it' to be blunt. However, I am not the judge of what they exhibit. I know that if you heard my own language you would not think it to be a 'fake' one. I totally agree with regards to discretion in terms of translation and so forth. I've been in churches that have no order... but this does not negate the gift of tongues itself.
GordonCope 2 months ago
@GordonCope I'm open to it still being around... simply because of stories in some far off tribe where it was supposedly used (not sure if they're true). I simply oppose its use as a "prayer language" and believe from the text that if nobody is there that can interpret (someone who'd understand) that it simply should not be practiced as it was solely intended to benefit the body of believers.
steveoho 2 months ago
@steveoho that is easily answered with scripture.. 1 Corinthians 14:15 KJV - What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also. - Indeed, I speak in tongues in prayer and also think and pray in my head (in English) at the same time...
GordonCope 2 months ago
Laughing is demonic. This is not the Holy Spirit! There is a such thing as speaking in tongues and dancing in the Holy Spirit but laughing is not one of them! Be aware of false prophets.
JosephChaparroNY 2 months ago
Sometimes tongue is understood other times its not, for example my father had an encounter with an Arab and he didn't know what to do, so he asked the Lord what to do and the Lord said "speak in tongues" so he did so and his language changed into Arabic and my father told the Arab man about Jesus without learning Arabic. Glory to God!
0OoJoshuaoO0 2 months ago
Take note of these scripture.
1Co 14:19 YET IN THE CHURCH I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.
1Co 14:4 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself...
This person builds him self up but another person doesn't understand him.
0OoJoshuaoO0 2 months ago
1Co 14:16 Else when thou shalt bless with the spirit, how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned say Amen at thy giving of thanks, seeing he understandeth not what thou sayest?
1Co 14:17 For thou verily givest thanks well, but the other is not edified.
0OoJoshuaoO0 2 months ago
1Co 14:2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
1Co 14:4 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.
1Co 14:15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.
0OoJoshuaoO0 2 months ago
This man is in error, listen to what he says at 11:29 - "In Christianity it was the true gift of languages used ONLY when someone who spoke the language was present in order that it might be a sign that God was there and that Gods people were speaking Gods truth."
No the Bible says differantly, 1Co 13:1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of ANGELS, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
The tongues of angles are not a human language.
0OoJoshuaoO0 2 months ago
@godzac because 40 authors over 1,500 years , on 3 continents, wrote 66 books that are completely internally consistent. The statistical probability of this is astronomical.
Obviously the authors are far more intelligent than you, to ask such a childish question
sgentlemanjack112 2 months ago
if its just feelings then i want more and for john u need saved before u the lord come back
i am a church of god and u need saved and give up on the devil becouse you r
SuperFulton11 2 months ago
This coming from a Calvinist. Hebrews 13:8 says Jesus Christ the same yesterday, today, and forever
factorman33 2 months ago
Great article that refers to what John MacArthur is writing.. I believe he is on about this.. I always wanted to know why I can't speak in tongue but after reading, it is the least "desired" gift for Christians because it was used to bring people from other language to know Jesus and the good news (makes a lot of sense in missionary.. There are other gifts God gives to help us grow and be his living example. Google baptisttheology and speaking in tongues
dbrhee 2 months ago
@dbrhee I came to speak in tongues later in life, and I am convinced the only reason I didnt do it earlier is because there was no faith for it in the circles in which I was a part at the time. I dont believe tongues means you have the Holy Spirit verses no tongues no Holy Spirit. However, I have found it to be a useful gift in expressing my heart to God when words fail, and it is also a great way to turn the brain off in order to hear God's voice. Thank God for tongues!!!!!
denoinwa 2 months ago
@TheNFLGreats Sorry I meant legit not "llgeit"
bobo577 2 months ago
@TheNFLGreats The fruit of the spirit is self control. Considering you never and I quote "Ive never rolled around, jumped, or anything like that", It seems llgeit.There is a difference between Charismata and "Charismata". If it's like Toronto Canada then it's not biblical. As for tongues, I don't talk about tongues much because I don't want to blaspheme the Holy Spirit accidentally (if such a thing is possible).
bobo577 2 months ago
I see a man that has all the answers in life for everything and he even knows it all.. I'll Be"
bubba007sss 2 months ago
I hate this confusion of the gift of tongues and speaking in tongues as the evidence of receiving the Spirit of God, which is necessary for salvation. Please study this for yourself.
pathemus 2 months ago
how do you pray ?
rosalachaparra 2 months ago
@rosalachaparra just talk to God from your heart
Heavendreamer2 2 months ago
"test the spirits" including John MacArthur's teachings.
creeman007 3 months ago 4
John Macarthur, an authority is in his own mind.
WSGAC 3 months ago
speaking in tongues is not demonic at all. It's still very real and true today. I know very clean Christian people who have the gift of speaking in tongues. It can be of demonic nature if a person does not live a clean, holy life. Period
mismestera 3 months ago
I am now a prophet of God and He revealed to me 2 years ago that the Beast described in Revelation Chapt 13:1-8, are the nations of Islam. And that Allah is Satan. And those ten nations shall burn Vatican City, the Whore, with fire. The mark of the beast is the Mark of Islam. Saves yourselves before it's too late. Repent, get baptized in the name of Jesus for the remission of sin and get filled with the Holy Spirit. Acts 2:38. This is the plan of Salvation. Bro. Charles Gregory Marlowe.
cgmarlowe777 3 months ago
I received the Holy Spirit 35 years ago speaking in other tongues standing in front of my brothers house in Tempe, Arizona. It was at that time that God began revealing to me that I must live a Holy Life. That the prayers of a righteous man availeth much. I prayed for people and they were miraculously healed. I never had more power to live for God. My life and heart were greatly changed. And the Holy ghost lead me into more truth. And about seven months later I got baptized in Jesus' Name
cgmarlowe777 3 months ago
@sgentlemanjack112 that is, quite possibly, the worst logic I've ever heard.
thegodlessgeneration 3 months ago
@thegodlessgeneration ok how about this: it was written by over 40 authors, during a1,500 year span, across 3 continents, & 3 languages. Yet it is completely internally-consistent.he It's been read by more people and published in more languages than any other book in history. And trust me when I say is has withstood much more intelligent criticism over the centuries than anything you have to offer.
sgentlemanjack112 3 months ago 13
Macarthur says that the gift of tongues is not mentioned in any other book in the New Testament, but in Acts and in the 1 Corinthian letter. Check 2 Timothy 1:6
Therefore I put thee in remembrance that thou stir up the ---gift of God--- which is in thee through the putting on of my hands.
coolestmcse 3 months ago
@sgentlemanjack112 That is such a bad answer. You know why? You are saying the reason it is still around is because people can't prove it wrong. You don't believe something because of that reason - you believe it because it's been proven RIGHT.
Common sense refutes it - someone can't just make all the light in a day. And you know what? So much of it has been proven wrong, but that doesn't matter, because people will always believe in this stuff. They have this "feeling" with god. That's that.
godzac 3 months ago
@godzac You're right someone can't make light in a day, but then again God is not just someone. He's the eternal ruler of the universe whom time can't even contain. You say so much of it has been proven wrong, but that couldn't be more wrong. When people thought the earth was flat the bible said it was round and just the book of proverbs alone has so much truth that applies to everyday life. And btw knowing God isn't about a "feeling" it's an awesome experience knowing Jesus and serving Him.
AllForChrist77 3 months ago
@AllForChrist77 A. What is it that you don't believe when Stephen Hawking says the universe is billions of years old? What is wrong with this statement? There is solid proof for this.
B. Tell me this: all you know about god is that he apparently exists. I know you have never met 'him'. Why don't you tell me what he looks like then. Why do you think I can't believe in him? Because he doesn't show himself to me (why??)... Don't say it's only a feeling, because then IT'S ONLY A FEELING!
godzac 3 months ago
@godzac The reason I don't believe in What Steven says is because he's just a man, I have a book with the words of God himself. Also because the "solid proofs" you mentioned aren't so solid. I know a lot more about God than the simple fact He exists. I know Him through His word and Through my relationship w/ Him. I can't tell u what He looks like, but can u tell me what evolution looked like when it made the world? God shows Himself through His creation, but also He's not gonna ....
AllForChrist77 3 months ago
@AllForChrist77 ...show Himself to someone who denies Him. The bible says you have to come to God and really want to know Him, and believe He exist. Can u do that? U remind me so much of myself I was just like u. I hated christians and didn't believe in God. But Jesus changed my heart and now I know and love Him. This thing is bigger than a feeling it's 100% real. Ur not me so how can u say I don't know what I'm talkin bout? U can't honestly say that I don't know Him becuz U don't know.
AllForChrist77 3 months ago
@AllForChrist77 God is real man. I'm praying like He did with me that He'll open ur eyes to see that He is. I know we don't agree but I do respect the fact that you've told me what you believe to be true. I've been where u are and now I'm on the other side and loving it. Ur in my prayers. God bless
AllForChrist77 3 months ago
@sgentlemanjack112 1Co 14:2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
1Co 14:3 But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.
1Co 14:4 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.
dandom01 4 months ago
@sgentlemanjack112. I'm more incline to think that John McArthur is Demonic,and of course most people that speak in so called tongues are fakers but i have seen some real ones but they are rare most are gibberish nonsense.But this guy John is not of God for sure, the things that come out of this guy's mouth He must be demon filled, the EGO of this man is like a mountain and not only him but most of those famous ministers. I believe the Bible and the Bible proves this man to be a liar. (Contd.)
dandom01 4 months ago
@dandom01 thats how you know when a pastor is speaking truth, its just like kent hovind, the whole world starts going against you, and that is no shock really, because the bible says we live in the world but we are not of the world when we are in Christ. Just want to remind you that people said to Jesus that he is a prince of evil, and the reply was that it is almost an unforgivable sin to sin against the holy spirit. be careful when you accuse, because you reap what you sow.
springbokbullietjie 3 months ago
@dandom01 . Be careful of judging John MacArthur. He is a son of God and is used by God mightily. I never even find a preacher like him to this generation. He is just preaching the truth! unlike other existing preachers nowadays, they lower the gospel inorder to gain more members in their local church and that would lead then to easy believism. Why not study the Bible and ask the Holy Spirit to guide you in order for you to know the word of God and that John MacArthur is a real preacher.
MrJese27 3 months ago
@MrJese27 If John MacArthur's father is god, then who is his grandfather? And who is the mother? And don't even think about answering "He just pops out of the sky" (like god), because you and I both know that's nonsense.
godzac 3 months ago
First heard this counterfeit gibberish in a "house group" couple of days after "getting saved" ....if there had been 13 people in that house I was for jumping through the closed window!
This man is preaching the truth .God bless in jesus's name .
davidthomasmorton 4 months ago
"Speaking in tongues" the epitome of christian NONSENSE.
ndzoko 4 months ago
God bless John! What a messenger of God for our time and generation!
EF2000CanFly 4 months ago
ROMANWABLE it is the "spirit" who groans not "us". which is stated in Romans 8:26
urfriend919 4 months ago
the jibberish we hear today is not the true biblical gift of tongues.
lunabranwen 4 months ago
I STRONGLY DISAGREE. JUST BECAUSE THERE ARE MANY WHO OBVIOUSLY SPEAK IN TONGUES AND IT IS NOT OF GOD, BECAUSE THEIR FRUITS CERTAINLY SHOW IT. BUT THIS DOES NOT MEAN THAT THE REST OF US WHO SPEAK IN TONGUES ARE PAGAN. PLEASE READ ROMANS 8 - 26
ROMANWABLE 4 months ago
I Corinthians 14:2 For the one who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God; FOR NO ONE UNDERSTANDS but in his spirit he speaks mysteries.
It is TRUE that all tongues, whether spoken in private for private edification or in a gathering, are languages, including the so-called "gibberish." I have had NUMEROUS experiences where "gibberish" was interpreted both in a formal and informal setting.
denoinwa 4 months ago
@denoinwa by men it means "ungodly" "of the flesh" "temporally minded" etc.. if you took it literally why dont you take the part that say "no one understands" literally? no-one means no-one
HECH0ENMEXICO 4 months ago
@HECH0ENMEXICO "No one" in context means no one in a church gathering. The context is CLEAR.
denoinwa 4 months ago
@HECH0ENMEXICO there obviously is nothing clear about this verse. that's why there's so much misunderstanding of it. but just think of it like this... Every commandment is for the edification and sanctification of the people who follow them. How does speaking gibberish edify or sanctify anyone? why not just speak normally ?
HECH0ENMEXICO 4 months ago
The toungs described in the bible are described that people understand the words in their own language but the toungs you see in alot of penecostal churches today are not understandable...
gilbert4321 4 months ago
NO ONE who knows the reality of tongues pays any attention whatsoever to anyone like MacArthur, and especially the toxic blashphemers. When a person's "faith" is anchored in reasoning, these unfortunate people project the notion that "gibberish" is something that can be reasonably refuted when in reality it is a most holy, sacred means of communication with a Holy God. They are to be highly pitied as their ignorance knows no bounds.
denoinwa 4 months ago
I do not believe the intimate practice of tongues is a dividing line that makes some people more spiritual than others. However, there is an obvious link between tongues and an awareness of the supernatural. It is no coincidence that those who constantly blaspheme the Holy Spirit with regard to many of His works do not speak in tongues. With many, the breakthrough with tongues represents a departure from a "faith" languishing in the soul realm and devoid of Spirit life.
denoinwa 4 months ago
What does Paul mean, and what is the REAL testimony of millions of believers with regard to the edifying nature of tongues? Tongues, the prayer language, circumvents the mind and provides a powerful connection spirit to Spirit. It is a most basic connection with the Spirit of God that encourages and cleanses. The distastrous effects of so-called believers whose Christianity is anchored in the soul is evident here, resulting in blasphemies against God and His people.
denoinwa 4 months ago
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denoinwa 4 months ago
Speaking of "gibberish," it always amazes me how people interpret "test the spirits" exclusively in terms of objective truth, and then pursue their arguments like an ignorant blowhard as if no one has ever debated this issue. How about the foul religious spirit which will deny supernatural activity at all cost? Who among those opposing a "prayer language" is not immersed in Old Covenant thinking, blinded by the veil of the law? This is the real test, and it is not objective.
denoinwa 4 months ago
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denoinwa 4 months ago
@ManardGCrebs Diddo.
denoinwa 4 months ago
Calling tongues "gibberish" is an anti-Christ spirit bent on blaspheming the things of God. Saying that the Holy Spirit must meet a human standard of a "sound mind" is idolatry of the mind, ignorance, and immaturity in the extreme.
denoinwa 4 months ago
All sins shall be forgiven ... Blasphemy of the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven. If you go to the other extreme You have the deadness of religion the same thing that crucified our Lord and Savoir Jesus Christ. The Apostle John wrote that you have need that no man teach you but the anoiting you received at the beginning He( the Holy Spirit ) shall lead and teach you all things......... Let no man deceive you............. Jesus Saves
tlotmb77 4 months ago
WOWZERS!!! any1 with eyes that can see, KNOWS this is NOT of the Living God of the Bible. This is DEMONIC! the Holy Spirit is that of a SOUND MIND and UNDERSTANDING. Discernment will tell you plainly that this flailing and gibberish is POSSESSION. I will PRAY for all of these DECEIVED souls.
3VOLution3NO 4 months ago
Based on what Paul said re praying & singing in the Spirit, but without understanding (since singing can only be done with the voice) it would seem clear that this praying & singing is done in tongues.& since praying & singing are done in tongues, they are not ONLY used as a witness to people. Also the fact that Paul said "though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels" it seems clear that the "gibberish" some speak MAY be angelic languages. That said, it is clear there ARE counterfeits.
Heavendreamer2 5 months ago
"I will pray with the Spirit, & I will pray with the understanding also" clearly praying with the Spirit is not praying in a known language or understanding would be involved. "I will sing with the Spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also." ie praying & singing in the Spirit is done without understanding what is prayed or sung. Since singing is done in the Spirit but clearly with the voice, praying in Spirit would also be done with the voice but without understanding what is prayed.
Heavendreamer2 5 months ago
I have to disagree with MacArthur when he says there were never "ecstasies" ie "going out of yourself" - leaving the body or something similar. Peter went into a trance-like state Acts 10:10 Paul had an experience where he did not know if he was "in the body or out of the body" 2 Corinthians 12:12 & received revelations. Paul also mentions PRAYER in tongues,,SINGING in the Spirit,
1 Cor 14:13-15 and "tongues of men and of angels" 1 Corinthians 13:1
Heavendreamer2 5 months ago
since when were emotions and feelings inherently bad? emotionalism is an etreme but last time i checked God created emotions. many are the fruit of the Holy Spirit. "The joy of the Lord is my strength" for crying out loud.
And when do demons ever worship Jesus? spiritual gifts including speaking in tongues should always serve for mission and ultimately the worship of God.
hunterdoesmagic 5 months ago 2
@hunterdoesmagic Emotions are both. Emotion caused me to do one of the best things in my life; marry my wife. Not a lot of logic went into that decision. By the same token some of the stupidest things I have ever done or said were caused by emotion. We should be wary of emotionsbut use them when appropriate.
tkcarr 4 months ago
@tkcarr much appreciated man, thanks for your insight!
hunterdoesmagic 3 months ago
@hunterdoesmagic Emotions were created perfect but the fall gave us knolege of good and evil. Everything has a flip side Emotions can be good but if you are a slave or ruled by your emotions they are bad.
gilbert4321 4 months ago
@gilbert4321 very true. i just question the very framework of MacArthur's argument. because if his framework is fallen, then the whole house will fall in as well. my point being that emotions can be redeemed (of course they'refallen. that is incredibly evident). but thanks be for Jesus. i like Him alot.
hunterdoesmagic 3 months ago
ROTF laughing all during this SERMON!
200wildmanchris200 5 months ago
It is rather humorous to see arrogant people rant about how knowledgeable they are, and how tongue-speaking people dont have it. Just more extreme ignorance from self-proclaimed theologians. There is knowledge that does nothing but puff up, and there is knowledge of relationship, which is what the Bible endorses: "You diligently study the Scriptures because you think that by them you possess eternal life. These are the Scriptures that testify about me,"
denoinwa 5 months ago
@denoinwa I think it's disheartening to see someone accuse of pride when they themselves are so caught up in a religious doctrine that teaches there is a second infilling that we have to have that puts them above everybody who doesn't have it. And you're taking scripture out of context, which is no surprise. Christ was speaking to the Jews who should have recognized Him as Messiah. You're talking about gibberish that has its roots in paganism. Kinda not the same thing.
jayjaygee123 5 months ago
@jayjaygee123 My statement about arrogance was directed to certain individuals who MUST paint charismatics as "illiterate." That is not only arrogant, it is pure delusion. If you would like to own that comment, be my guest. Did I ever say that you are less spritual than anyone who speaks in tongues? NO, I DID NOT. It is one thing NOT to speak in tongues. It is quite another to blaspheme the Holy Spriit and call something Holy of the devil. I wouldnt want to be you, frankly.
denoinwa 5 months ago
@denoinwa To quote someone who you might consider very wise; "You are a presumptuous, blooming idiot... religionized beyond your intelligence." I didn't paint you as illiterate. Blind maybe. But no one questions your ability to read. And I would never dare call something holy of the devil. But if it looks like paganism, it sounds like paganism, it finds its root in paganism, it denies that the filling of the Holy Spirit is synonymous with salvation it is heresy and evil, of the devil, not holy.
jayjaygee123 5 months ago
@jayjaygee123 And your presumption continues. Who said the filling of the Holy Spirit is not synonomous with salvation? You may be disillusioned by the culture of a particular charismatic community, but this has nothing to do with whether tongues is of the devil. Did Israel accuse Moses of paganism when his snake swallowed up Pharoah's? Blind is a person who continuously finds excuses to support pure presumption.
denoinwa 5 months ago
@denoinwa Then what is this "Baptism of the Holy Spirit that speaking in unknown tongues is an evidence of?" Are there not two fillings? Is there not a higher level after salvation? You don't even know your own doctrine. You're blind to scripture and ignorant of the beliefs you claim; grow up.
jayjaygee123 5 months ago
@jayjaygee123 Its pretty tough to talk to a person given to presumption. Speaking of maturity, did it ever occur to you that there are different beliefs regarding the filling of the Holy Spirit and the evidence thereof, that all tongue-speaking people may not believe the same thing? A child not only constantly makes unfounded presumptions, they are so boxed in by formulas they cannot think straight if they tried.
denoinwa 5 months ago
What happened in the Pentecost day with 120 persons gathered to pray ? What is written in Mc.16 : 17.? What kind of Gospel are you preaching Mr. Mac Arthur ? This is a demonic gospel , nothing Biblical !
MrSimpet111 5 months ago
@MrSimpet111 YEAH? I have seen people laughing like hyenas and rolling on the floor in the belief that hey are doing so under the power of the Holy spirit. I find no evidence for that in scripture.. not anywhere.
skaha77 5 months ago
@ denoinwa...What exactly does your name mean? Why did you respond to my comment with the exact same response? You're saying some incredibly negative things about a man who has served God faithfully throughout the world for many years. What is your background...education...testimony?
midterngrades 5 months ago
@denoinwa Yes and no. You reject reason. You say John Macarthur rejects feeling (though he doesn't; simply that "good" feelings that are misinformed aren't the same as properly informed joy infused by the Word of God). Christ Himself said "For the time is coming, and now is, when the the true worships will worship in Spirit and in TRUTH. For that is the kind of worship that the Father desires." And how do we learn truth? "Sanctify them in Your truth; Your word is truth."
jayjaygee123 5 months ago
@jayjaygee123 There will always be those who value objective truth over SPIRIT, and you are apparently one. All truth is in Christ, and all truth comes from Christ, who is both SPIRIT and reason. There is clear evidence in the scripture for tongues as a prayer language, validated by millions of people. To deny this is ignorance in the extreme. Frankly, people who speak in tongues could care less about JM as he is preaching to the choir. He just robs people like you of the blessing.
denoinwa 5 months ago