haha, At least Korea is know for something (minus VERY good movies and dramas, and more weirdly as my friend says, "Hot guys".) I think it's amazing, here's my cause and effect
Korea invents movable metal type print > Gutenberg "discovers it" > changes Western cultures
What the hell I don't get is that, why is this in FRANCE!? It's korean, anyone could obviously see that, but why it it in FRANCE? (not that i don't have anything against france, i think their food is very good...)
Here we are talking about movable types. They were invented in Korea earlier than in Europe but it didn't influence Western printing at that time. Of course, if evidence would be found showing that Gutenberg learned from Korean printing, the issue becomes different. Anyway, Korean rifles ,tanks,torpedoes and Aegis ships are better than anything else.
@xxwzaebd Movable metal types were invented actually in early 13th ct. in Korea, almost 200 years before Gutenberg. Jikji (1377) was a simple example of remaining Korean metal-printed books. There is a strong evidence that Gutenberg himself got informed about the existance and knowhow of metal printing from his friend dispatched to Asia by the Pope then. Metal printing idea and technology was not such kind of skill that could be developed in only 3 year period by Gutenberg.
iv — The fact is: Gutenberg invention took the western world out of the middle ages, although historically it was in the renaissance. Movable type alone wouldn't be enough, so Gutenberg invented a press and the idea, come from the art of wine making. Type alone don't do it. Press alone, don't do it. Now, type and press, do it!
iii — That Gutenberg's movable type changed the world was possibly ( I like to think ) because the subject was the book of the books: The Bible. Which free the masses from receiving the word via The Clergy and the Land Lords, and people started reading for themselves.
ii — Their movable type did not influenced the west and is probable that some european traveller stumble upon it and found in it a great idea, and kept records... If Gutenberg was influenced by the korean invention ( I like to think that ) I can not say.
i — I always known that the chinese invented printing. I may be wrong but that's what I was told. They printed out of woodcarvings and I think that is the general idea all over the world.
Possibly, I don't know but i like to think that yes, the Koreans invented movable type as they were under the same geographic influences as the chinese.
The turning point was the '70s-when the Western world was inundated with leftist demonstrations. As a result, with following changes, it lost its identity; now people are not even allowed to call a table a table. Not to mention the loss of manufacturing capability. Last winter the Russians controlled gas supply and the Western world had to suffer,It should be noted that Asian societies didn't invade others to get access to economic resources.
During the last few month, certain economy-related media in the anglosphere launched a massive wave of Korea-bashing. But it turned out that Korean economy is much more stabler and resilient-because of its strong capital-intensive manufacturing base. The "strategic industry" of the Anglosphere is business services which merely serve to give well-paid jobs for silverspooners.Anyway,how is the English economy going these days?
Yes, but your compressed modernity has given rise to many social ills. Your society is backward: women and gays are oppressed, farmers hate their jobs and leaving for the cities. Nationalists love the words BEST and MOST, but you represent a small portion of the big picture.
Women and gays are not oppressed here; women even have better chance of getting good jobs than men.And the average living standard is higher now, with better SOC. (telecom infrastructure, highways, high speed rail etc,to name just a few). The Western world started to decline when it gave up its own identity in favour of marxism back in the '70s. It succumbed to bad guys like Baader-Meinhof when we enforced strict laws against marxism.
1)Movable metal typing was first invented in Korea. Yes.
2)However, it didn't influence the Western world in a manner Gutenberg's later similar invention did-because Korea didn't exert influence to the outer world like the Westerners did.
3)The entire world knows both facts;both technologies are now superseded by computer assisted printing and thus outdated.
4)Korea is now the world's center of manufacturing consumer products and some industrial goods.
아이고~나이든 사람 생각하는게 어쩜 저렇게 어린애같은지 진짜 시간낭비했다 난 생각좀 있는 사람이길 바라고 얘기를 했는데 에잇!!!! 오랜만에 똥 밟은 기분 느껴보네~ 공부나 해야겠다. gabsylv 아저씨 힘내요. 제가 이해해야지 어쩌겠어요~ 그럼 밥 잘 처드시구 오줌 똥은 잘 가리세요~ 안녕~
oh ~good~ your comment is so impressing me that I cannot help acknowledging my defeat. you win!!!!!! you are THE WINNER who regard yourself as SHIT. But It is my last word that you should remember you are a 42 year-old person and I AM 24 YEAR-OLD.
You bring attention to the fact that your superior culture is also age-ist as well as women-hating and close-minded. It is depressing that there are 24 year olds in Korea who accept the nationalist mentality in a global, post-colonial age. You need to wake up and smell the kimchee.
well, all your comments considerd , you must be a nationalist. thus I feel I dont need to talk to you anymore!! It was a my mistake that wasted my energy on useless things. Stop speaking like a child or I'll spank your hip. : ) Bye~ XD
please...dont forget what you said is your nature. If your comment is a censure, a criticism or condemnation which dont have logic , you must be a slanderer or a stupid person.
when i was 9 yr old, i forged my parents' seal by carving the exact character on a soap bar. it worked, of course. my teacher's letter to my parent - showing my failing grade- was "acknowledged". I consider this my greatest invention (at that time).
In those days, Koreans used Chinese letters instead of their own letters, hangul, which had not been invented yet.
Chinese letters number more than ten thousand, which made it very hard both for Koreans and the Chinese to complete the project of inventing a movable metal type printing machine, and Chinese gave it up on the way and reverted to wooden type printing, while Koreans pulled it off.
Because of the cost and time it took, it was impossible to spread the system all over East Asia.
Movable metal type was invented in Korea. Everyone in the world should acknowledge this fact.The world's best tanks and rifles ,as well as most ships , are all made in Korea.
Your comment is much more painful to listen to than this video, xxwzaebd.
It seems that some of Koreans are so desperate to find something they can be proud of that they do not know how they look to the other people around the world.
Facts are facts. Or are you gonna insist that movable types were invented somewhere else? It goes nowhere. There is no reason why Koreans should be desperate for something..look at the reality. Low debts(both public and foreign), No.1 in many capital intensive industries,No.5 in sci/tech and nuclear energy,No.2 in baseball,the world's only country armed with indigenous OICW,.to name a few.
Korean invention didn't change the world, the German invention did. The logic of this video is: the Gutenberg invention changed the world, but Korea invented the technology 78 years before, and thus Korea has changed the world. Nationalist bullshit
Who said things like "Koreans are the smartest in the world"? Maybe you interprete something else this way. There is a fact that Korean printing was developed earlier than that of Gutenberg; this does not automatically mean that it influenced the Western world.maybe Korean printing somehow provided information to Mr.Gutenberg.Anyway, both are now past technologies.
Then, I can agree with you, except for the influence made on Gutenberg, xxwzaebd.
If the technology Koreans completed had been used more extensively in East Asia in those days, the world of today would have been totally different. I believe the volume of Chinese characters prevented the Korean contribution to the world from being significantly utilized.
By the way, I heard the phrase "Koreans are the smartest in the world" on the radio over 20 years ago, so I do not remember who said it.
Korea never invaded surrounding countries, at least in the scale Western countries did for centuries in order to get natural resources and open commercial standpoints and routes. That's why the influence of past Korean dynasties to the outside was limited. However,it is quite different now. Korea has one of the highest % of manufacturing in total GDP and in absolute terms more scitech personnel than the US.
If someone said such thing over 20 years ago, the person would have not been rational at all. At that time. Korea was a mid-high income country. For the situation now, since the West has abandoned math,scitech and, in particular,manufacturing in favour of liberal arts, and Korea has achieved tremendous advances during the recent decade(of reforms), and Korean economy actually being sounder than theirs,some pride can be justified.
haha, At least Korea is know for something (minus VERY good movies and dramas, and more weirdly as my friend says, "Hot guys".) I think it's amazing, here's my cause and effect
Korea invents movable metal type print > Gutenberg "discovers it" > changes Western cultures
What the hell I don't get is that, why is this in FRANCE!? It's korean, anyone could obviously see that, but why it it in FRANCE? (not that i don't have anything against france, i think their food is very good...)
wildliongirl 1 year ago
Here we are talking about movable types. They were invented in Korea earlier than in Europe but it didn't influence Western printing at that time. Of course, if evidence would be found showing that Gutenberg learned from Korean printing, the issue becomes different. Anyway, Korean rifles ,tanks,torpedoes and Aegis ships are better than anything else.
xxwzaebd 2 years ago 2
@xxwzaebd Movable metal types were invented actually in early 13th ct. in Korea, almost 200 years before Gutenberg. Jikji (1377) was a simple example of remaining Korean metal-printed books. There is a strong evidence that Gutenberg himself got informed about the existance and knowhow of metal printing from his friend dispatched to Asia by the Pope then. Metal printing idea and technology was not such kind of skill that could be developed in only 3 year period by Gutenberg.
msk2808 9 months ago
iv — The fact is: Gutenberg invention took the western world out of the middle ages, although historically it was in the renaissance. Movable type alone wouldn't be enough, so Gutenberg invented a press and the idea, come from the art of wine making. Type alone don't do it. Press alone, don't do it. Now, type and press, do it!
kokosfoot 2 years ago
iii — That Gutenberg's movable type changed the world was possibly ( I like to think ) because the subject was the book of the books: The Bible. Which free the masses from receiving the word via The Clergy and the Land Lords, and people started reading for themselves.
kokosfoot 2 years ago
ii — Their movable type did not influenced the west and is probable that some european traveller stumble upon it and found in it a great idea, and kept records... If Gutenberg was influenced by the korean invention ( I like to think that ) I can not say.
kokosfoot 2 years ago
i — I always known that the chinese invented printing. I may be wrong but that's what I was told. They printed out of woodcarvings and I think that is the general idea all over the world.
Possibly, I don't know but i like to think that yes, the Koreans invented movable type as they were under the same geographic influences as the chinese.
kokosfoot 2 years ago
Jikji is just the oldest extant movable metal type printing.
bravusliu 2 years ago 5
The turning point was the '70s-when the Western world was inundated with leftist demonstrations. As a result, with following changes, it lost its identity; now people are not even allowed to call a table a table. Not to mention the loss of manufacturing capability. Last winter the Russians controlled gas supply and the Western world had to suffer,It should be noted that Asian societies didn't invade others to get access to economic resources.
xxwzaebd 2 years ago
During the last few month, certain economy-related media in the anglosphere launched a massive wave of Korea-bashing. But it turned out that Korean economy is much more stabler and resilient-because of its strong capital-intensive manufacturing base. The "strategic industry" of the Anglosphere is business services which merely serve to give well-paid jobs for silverspooners.Anyway,how is the English economy going these days?
xxwzaebd 2 years ago
Yes, but your compressed modernity has given rise to many social ills. Your society is backward: women and gays are oppressed, farmers hate their jobs and leaving for the cities. Nationalists love the words BEST and MOST, but you represent a small portion of the big picture.
gabsylv 2 years ago
Women and gays are not oppressed here; women even have better chance of getting good jobs than men.And the average living standard is higher now, with better SOC. (telecom infrastructure, highways, high speed rail etc,to name just a few). The Western world started to decline when it gave up its own identity in favour of marxism back in the '70s. It succumbed to bad guys like Baader-Meinhof when we enforced strict laws against marxism.
xxwzaebd 2 years ago
Lets summarize:
1)Movable metal typing was first invented in Korea. Yes.
2)However, it didn't influence the Western world in a manner Gutenberg's later similar invention did-because Korea didn't exert influence to the outer world like the Westerners did.
3)The entire world knows both facts;both technologies are now superseded by computer assisted printing and thus outdated.
4)Korea is now the world's center of manufacturing consumer products and some industrial goods.
xxwzaebd 2 years ago
아이고~나이든 사람 생각하는게 어쩜 저렇게 어린애같은지 진짜 시간낭비했다 난 생각좀 있는 사람이길 바라고 얘기를 했는데 에잇!!!! 오랜만에 똥 밟은 기분 느껴보네~ 공부나 해야겠다. gabsylv 아저씨 힘내요. 제가 이해해야지 어쩌겠어요~ 그럼 밥 잘 처드시구 오줌 똥은 잘 가리세요~ 안녕~
noble8504 2 years ago
oh ~good~ your comment is so impressing me that I cannot help acknowledging my defeat. you win!!!!!! you are THE WINNER who regard yourself as SHIT. But It is my last word that you should remember you are a 42 year-old person and I AM 24 YEAR-OLD.
noble8504 2 years ago
You bring attention to the fact that your superior culture is also age-ist as well as women-hating and close-minded. It is depressing that there are 24 year olds in Korea who accept the nationalist mentality in a global, post-colonial age. You need to wake up and smell the kimchee.
gabsylv 2 years ago
well, all your comments considerd , you must be a nationalist. thus I feel I dont need to talk to you anymore!! It was a my mistake that wasted my energy on useless things. Stop speaking like a child or I'll spank your hip. : ) Bye~ XD
noble8504 2 years ago
please...dont forget what you said is your nature. If your comment is a censure, a criticism or condemnation which dont have logic , you must be a slanderer or a stupid person.
noble8504 2 years ago
facts are facts. what a stupid!!
noble8504 2 years ago
Nationalist bullshit
gabsylv 2 years ago
when i was 9 yr old, i forged my parents' seal by carving the exact character on a soap bar. it worked, of course. my teacher's letter to my parent - showing my failing grade- was "acknowledged". I consider this my greatest invention (at that time).
bg24955 2 years ago 4
In those days, Koreans used Chinese letters instead of their own letters, hangul, which had not been invented yet.
Chinese letters number more than ten thousand, which made it very hard both for Koreans and the Chinese to complete the project of inventing a movable metal type printing machine, and Chinese gave it up on the way and reverted to wooden type printing, while Koreans pulled it off.
Because of the cost and time it took, it was impossible to spread the system all over East Asia.
Irahka 2 years ago 2
Movable metal type was invented in Korea. Everyone in the world should acknowledge this fact.The world's best tanks and rifles ,as well as most ships , are all made in Korea.
xxwzaebd 2 years ago
Your comment is much more painful to listen to than this video, xxwzaebd.
It seems that some of Koreans are so desperate to find something they can be proud of that they do not know how they look to the other people around the world.
Irahka 2 years ago
Facts are facts. Or are you gonna insist that movable types were invented somewhere else? It goes nowhere. There is no reason why Koreans should be desperate for something..look at the reality. Low debts(both public and foreign), No.1 in many capital intensive industries,No.5 in sci/tech and nuclear energy,No.2 in baseball,the world's only country armed with indigenous OICW,.to name a few.
xxwzaebd 2 years ago
as well as the world's best maniac leader
gabsylv 2 years ago
Do you know a maniac sees only maniacal things. That is your nature. Are u understand?
noble8504 2 years ago
Great Korea!
What a noble people we have on earth!
With your invention, I humbly write this.
Stop day-dreaming please.
iqzfyy 2 years ago
Korean invention didn't change the world, the German invention did. The logic of this video is: the Gutenberg invention changed the world, but Korea invented the technology 78 years before, and thus Korea has changed the world. Nationalist bullshit
gabsylv 2 years ago
Korean invention was earlier than Gutenberg even if it didn't influence Western printing afterwards. That's the fact.
xxwzaebd 2 years ago
but it's a fact no one remembers except you nationalist masturbating over yourselves
gabsylv 2 years ago
It is the fact, indeed, but there seems to be a more tactful and humble way of making a presentation on the great invention to the outside world.
Otherwise, the world would consider Koreans too naive.
By the way, I remenber a Korean radio newscaster declaring that Koreans are the smartest people in the world, as if it were a slogan.
A friend of mine just sneered at that.
I hope that Koreans wil be more sophisticated when they inform us of their achievements.
Irahka 2 years ago
Who said things like "Koreans are the smartest in the world"? Maybe you interprete something else this way. There is a fact that Korean printing was developed earlier than that of Gutenberg; this does not automatically mean that it influenced the Western world.maybe Korean printing somehow provided information to Mr.Gutenberg.Anyway, both are now past technologies.
xxwzaebd 2 years ago
Then, I can agree with you, except for the influence made on Gutenberg, xxwzaebd.
If the technology Koreans completed had been used more extensively in East Asia in those days, the world of today would have been totally different. I believe the volume of Chinese characters prevented the Korean contribution to the world from being significantly utilized.
By the way, I heard the phrase "Koreans are the smartest in the world" on the radio over 20 years ago, so I do not remember who said it.
Irahka 2 years ago
Korea never invaded surrounding countries, at least in the scale Western countries did for centuries in order to get natural resources and open commercial standpoints and routes. That's why the influence of past Korean dynasties to the outside was limited. However,it is quite different now. Korea has one of the highest % of manufacturing in total GDP and in absolute terms more scitech personnel than the US.
xxwzaebd 2 years ago 2
If someone said such thing over 20 years ago, the person would have not been rational at all. At that time. Korea was a mid-high income country. For the situation now, since the West has abandoned math,scitech and, in particular,manufacturing in favour of liberal arts, and Korea has achieved tremendous advances during the recent decade(of reforms), and Korean economy actually being sounder than theirs,some pride can be justified.
xxwzaebd 2 years ago
you look so vulgar and hidebound!!!!
noble8504 2 years ago
oh, I'm much worse than that!
gabsylv 2 years ago
korean, very good job
what a briliant properties
qnfrkfltm 2 years ago
awesome!
ThereIsNoJapaneseDNA 2 years ago
genius...
poofly02 2 years ago
Cham chal haesoyo!
pasukngpasuk 2 years ago
Thank you, privatelibrary, for linking to this!!!
zxbee 2 years ago
Jikji is the oldest movable metal type printing !!!
guttenberg is not first inventor.
myomadoc 2 years ago 3
but who invented movable mental type printing? I can tell you that it was absolutly NOT Korean.
katia20082009 2 years ago
Nationalists like the words FIRST, BEST and SUPERIOR --haha
gabsylv 2 years ago
nonsense, guttenberg changed the whole world... the koreans just changed their own tiny peninsula...
apfelimmund 2 years ago
i hope you do not believe this patched story
anon999562156484251 2 years ago
Jikji는 한국에 있어야 합니다.
프랑스는 Jikji를 한국에 돌려주세요.
goldigold 2 years ago 2