Thank you for making the CCP's job so much easier with your stupid stunts. As if religious freedom wasn't in trouble already, your lack of cultural sensitivity will alienate those who may become interested in organized faiths and justifies any action that CCP may take. Bravo.
ok, you guys SERIOUSLY need to chill out. standing up for a group of people is a good thing. why in the world are you freaking out about vandalism? it happens ALL the time for gang glorification, but when someone does it for a good cause you guys harp on it and say how terrible it is? your logic is ridiculous. do you not understand how absurd you sound? just let it go and stop arguing if its wrong. learn to love and not hate. i dare you to make the sacrifice Eddie did!
AD - did you know that you owe your screen name to Jesus? AD is the latin abbreviation for Anno Domini - The Year of the Lord. Jesus (your heretic scum) loves you so much AD. Love Him back.
MeatWagon - I'm so glad I didn't see this until close to a month after the fact. By now you and all the others know what a success the Gadfly project was. Voices were raised all over the world. Whingers like you were seen for the pharisees you are. And the Kingdom was expanded. Keep reading your Bible guys. Keep standing up for truth. Keep serving Jesus. Be radical. Be revolutionary. Grace & Peace
I am a Chinese Christian. sorry I don't agree with you the way you did in Beijing. just one question for you: if Jesus was with you there, do you think he will agree to paint on the hotel walls?
we are the ambassador of Jesus.your intention maybe good but your action,sincerely I believe: is wrong.
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The mission continues. Pastor Eddie's "event" was that rock thrown into the pond that continues to send out ripples. Voices continue to be raised. China's Government is hearing from governments and agencies around the golbe. Things will change. Slowly but they will change. Meanwhile pray for Grandma Wang & Grandma Wu - 79 year old chinese women sentenced to Labor camp for re-education for legally attempting to protest. LOOK - CARE - ACT - BELIEVE
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i'm sure everyone will agree with you that the act of vandalism is wrong. even he knows it is wrong, but it was a strong way to get the attention, this was an attention getting protest. that was its purpose. to get the attention to the current issue at hand. and you can't even say that the chinese dispise him, cuz you dont know the hearts of all the chinese. they are in a corrupt government and are silenced by that government. you only hear what china wants you to hear. don't be ignorant.
I can hardly believe my eyes as you acknowledge his sin but excuse it hand-over-fist! How about lying? Wrong too, no? I guess for you a sin can apparently be excused if it accomplishes what you want. What a wonderful example of Christian thinking. The fact that the act itself required him comprising his Christian ethics to succeed is a good sign the plan was rotten and ungodly to begin with. Fame he got here. Perhaps that what he wanted. Infamy he got in China (does this even matter to him)?
William, please stop talking to me about being ignorant, especially someone like yourself. I know the stories better than you. I do not equate God with Pastor Romero, which you apparently have done. Perhaps an easy mistake for you, but not so easy for the rest of us. Jesus overturning usurers' and price-gougers' tables isn't even nearly the same thing as a mere man (yes he is William) vandalizing and _LYING_ (can you point to where Jesus lied in the Bible?). Your reasoning is ridiculous.
And I just love the standard ignorant Western line of the "government" controls the people like machines which is typically used by Westerners used whenever what Chinese people tell them doesn't jive with what they think Chinese people ought to believe. And I didn't hear anything from the government. I heard it from many friends. OK, so not all of China, but have you any clue what people are saying about this guy on Chinese internet forums? Ask your Chinese friends. Oh, don't have any? CLUELESS.
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Hey Meat - I have friends that can translate the Chinese for us. How can I find those Chinese internet forums (which were limited during the games)?
Suggestion: Try this - Step into a campus quad and shout your opposition to USA. You can still go to Taco Bell afterward. NEXT - Step into Tianenmen Square in Beijing and shout yoru opposition to the PRC government. You'll probably have to cancel your dinner plans. SEE? Hope that helps. Grace & Peace
If you have friends that can translate Chinese, you can have them search for the forums, no? William, I'm disappointed to have to read such an idiotic example like the one you just gave. No one disagrees that human rights abuses happen in China. What you seem to be so tragically blind to is the fact that 'Pastor' Romero acted so unlike a pastor that what he ended up doing is soiling Christianity for the sake of pointing out (in the dumbest possible way) what people already know.
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I don't understand why there are so many ignorant people leaving comments. half of these people don't even care, they just like leaving hateful messages. painting a hotel room is no where near as bad as what they are doing in china. you're acting like this is some evil person who has done terrible things. when all he did was raise awareness to a terrible thing that is happening in china and wants it stopped because of his love for china's people.
You're right that what's happening in China in terms of human rights is worse. Is WORSE, meaning that what he did was also wrong. How can you be SO blind that you cannot see that a wrong done to highlight another wrong is still WRONG??? He is not evil, just stupid, and a showboater. His plan also backfired because he does not know or understand Chinese people; they now hate his guts for what he did. Not only did the message not get through, he managed to tarnish Christianity and Christ.
It's like being invited as a guest to a banguet, and then spitting on the floor of your host's home. That's how Chinese people see Eddie coming to China and tarnishing the Games, which they consider to be a coming out party to the world. Not as the courageous hero that he obviously sees himself as, but as yet another smug Westerner lecturing to the locals from on high, and delivered in the worst possible way. He managed to soil the reputation of Christianity in the eyes of 1.3 billion people.
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What is up with all of you people calling eddie "pathetic" you obviously have NO IDEA what is going on. The purpose of the GADFLY project to make people aware of Human Rights in china. NOT to prove a point and "show some guts" as many of you are saying. Those of you saying eddie is "pathetic" think to yourself YOU are pathetic your the one posting a comment about a random video you just saw when you have NO idea about what is going on. Eddie is a very courageous. Excellent job Pastor eddie!
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I have 1 account EVERYONE is open to their own opinion. wouldn't you say so? If you wanna make comments it's fine. The entire point of THE GADFLY PROJECT was to make people aware of china's human rights abuses and to make people wanna talk and do something about them. So far people are talking now all they gotta do is act.
Listen to how Eddie was so gleeful and self-satisfied as he related his incident with the security in the lobby where he had to LIE to people to avoid discovery. That's where he failed the test. Instead of putting his hope in God in that moment, he lied his way out of it. When asked about the paint, he lied his way out of it. I can't believe you people turn a blind eye to his shameful behavior. And for what? Chinese people, instead of seeing him as their big hero like he wanted, now despise him.
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MBPtoday， you are blind to a fact, no registed and legal religion was baned by commie government, the only thing the religion group should to is obay the legal system, there were hundred thousands of temples in china, with millions of buddism and taoism, and christians. You can find temples and churchs in anywhere in China and there were ten millions of monks and priests. If you want to talk Falun Gong, it is a heresy, just as the "Branch Davidian"
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Because Chinese leaders were unable to separate peaceful missionaries & religions from the western powers & idealogies that took seat, the resulting course of action was the implementation of communism. Since then, the world has witnessed an escalating assault on those who seek a true freedom. It wasn't religion that caused this, it was the dual presence of something the Chinese leaders didn't welcome. And who paid for it? Their own people. China wasn't "doing fine," history tells another story.
A pastor broke the law, LIED about his intentions to people who asked, and did not pay the damages on his vandalism. How is this an example of godly behavior? There are other ways to get the point across, but this stunt IMO seems more like a showboater earning bragging rights (at other peoples' expense, by the way) than an impassioned plea for human rights. I'm somewhat shocked that so many people overlooked the things he had to compromise to accomplish what he did. A Christian, indeed.
if you want to open up china to Christianity...you're doing it the wrong way. I believe in the bible, God never told us to open people up to Christianity this way. u call yourself a pastor? embarassament to Christianity. maybe by putting videos like this on youtube just made it worst. dumb***
Eddie's supporters: why is he so concerned with the 5 chinese prisoners and continue to ignore the thousands being unlawfully imprisoned in Guantanamo?
If your church's goal is to free people from unjust confinement, why ignore the big problem and try to solve a smaller issue far far away?
I want to see Mr. Eddie paint "free guantanamo prisoners" on one of the California's most expensive hotels. That would be a good news story and really show some guts.
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mangonut- Let me understand your logic... Painting the walls in 2 hotel rooms w/ water based paint to bring light to the human rights violations in China is the same as flying 2 planes into a building filled w/ innocent people & killing 2000 in the process?
And a man who risks his freedom and well being in order to urge China to provide their citizen with the level of civil and political rights they agreed to when they signed the United Nations Covenant is self-centered and self-righteous?
Oh, bullshit. He isn't risking his freedom. He's going to come home in one piece. Stop it with the "How noble! He's risking his life." Very dramatic there. If he were CHINESE and doing what he's doing, yeah he'd be in huge trouble, whether or not he were a US citizen. Since he's Anglo, he's going to be more or less left alone. Stop and think rationally about all the propaganda you're reading.
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Man-goes-nuts - are you still at it? You do nothing but criticize those who do much. Eddie is not "anglo" btw. Just another example of your presumption. Nice vocab too man-goes-nuts. Glad you are not on my side. But there is hope. If you pray - please pray for your enemy here. I'm pretty sure that's in the Bible you seem to care about. Bless him - do good to him - pray for him. Grace and Peace MGN
Eddie's followers keep pleading for everyone to listen to the message and not the action. Of course I'm going to compare it to something extreme. That's the only thing that'll make you understand that what you're doing is making you look bad.
Unfortunately your church can't see that. All you see is "Down with the Chinese Gov't!" Now just substitute "Chinese" with "US." Don't you think that's all Al Qaeda saw?
Your motto seems to be "Do as I say, not as I do."
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Most people don't have enough courage to do what this pastor has done, whether it be in China or Iraq (i think someone actually posted that and laughed as if it was a joke)instead people either don't care or they spill too much garbage from their mouths and feel better about themselves. Let People make as many negative comments as they want because in the END they will be the ones suffering and not until then will they know the TRUTH. God Bless those who are a VOICE FOR THE VOICELESS.GIG.
To NGNPKGKP: your mighty claim that other's negative comments are garbage doesn't make your claim non-garbage at all. Claim in the name of god takes exactly the same form of nonsense communism invading nation China: simply to believe whatever God's ppl like this Gadfly gave to you, and don't question it, and never reason about it with rationalea.
What an asshole- they should throw your bum ass in jail and make you scrub that juvenile shit off. Your graffiti looks like something a 3rd grader would do, and does absolutely NOTHING aside from making human rights activists look like jerks and idiots.
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Wow. Can it be that some still don't get this? Hopefully tens of thousands of voices have been raised. To the IOC - The UN - Govt of USA and China. People who care about persecuted people are doing something to change this evil. And thank God for even the criticism - Each hit on these videos makes them more visible. Tell all your friends - Let's keep those voices raised. Write - Email - Fax - Phone - Txt - and PRAY. This campaign WILL make a difference. Grace & Peace
Pray to your false god， you heretic of human beings，live in the llies of the monk noble slaveholder dalai larma and the cheater master and murderer Li Hongzhi of Falungong， Why not you raise the voice of those tibetan slaves and those who died for Li Hongzhi as his sacrifice just as CCP had done? coward!
Wow, amazing! I would never do something like this but I'm glad someone did! This is a message that needs to get out more. I know people who's lives have been maimed under the hand of the CCP. It's a shame they haven't met the promises they made to the IOC. Well China has come a long way as a nation, their human rights record has as a matter of fact, grown increasingly worse. It just sickens me.
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Wow I am amazed at how many people are still focusing in on the action rather than doing something and raising a voice. Do something instead of leaving trite messages taht are meaningless!
btw, if it's a hotel room, you might as well just do it in the united states and pretend that you are in china. In this way, you save 1000 dollars from plane ticket, and you can use this 1000 dollars to pay for the cost of cleaning up your shit.
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Gadfly's actions do not even compare to what the prison guards do to those that are captured and tortured for their faith. So many people don't understand this because they get to live in freedom.
To MmzLenz: Oh yeah? "Gadfly's actions do not even compare to what the prison guards do to those that are captured and tortured for their faith." So what those infamous pastor did to innocent kids do not even compare to what the gay haters did to gay ppl that were brutally tortured and murdered. They should be treated as heroes, or what?
It is wise for chinese christians escaped from churchs of you, you follower of the false god, the will of god would turn on you one day, you false saint, would suffer in the frame with the great enemy
you are a great god's warrior. The Chinese will surely learn the meaning of "freedom" and "human rights" from your "heroic" act. I doubt you will pay for the damage and fine though.
Do it in USA, you are looking at some serious jail time.
This is pathetic. You're a total embarrassment. I don't believe that you will pay for the damages you've caused. This is completely pointless and self-defeating. You're only going to piss off the Chinese who are not Christian, or about 1.29 billion people.
In answer to bburgis - YES ! it will be worth it to see the nation of China's leaders release those who are held in prison for their faith. Pastor Romero has and is doing a great thing for God. He will pay the highest price of anyone in this endeavor.
To WilliamFrancisWelsh: well yes, sounds to be a very moving statement "He will pay the highest price of anyone in this endeavor". In real, all he has to pay is to pay off hotel damages and be deported from China for his criminal behaviors.
That is one possible scenario. Also - because of the damage, he could be held. I hope you are praying for the persecuted and for critics you love. Your prayers can change things. Grace & Peace
To WilliamFrancisWelsh: I'm not a prayer and I have no comment on your experience and belief. Here is the problem with persecution, when one heard even just ten times of lies, one would tend to be very very doubtful about any similar story the eleventh time. This sounds subjective yet it's quite scientific. If you do have evidence for persecutions, publicize it here and let ppl judge. Another wrong doing can never be a voice of righteousness I would love.
To believe in god and the so-called "human right" is a good reason to justify the vandalism and the behaviors against the law? Of coz, think about it, how many pastors had given decent sexual lessons to little kids in the name of god? and, how many infamous pastors had committed federal felony and been on the run in the name of god? Plenty! Oh my god, this is nothing!
the "good" pastor trashes a hotel room and skips out on the bill (but promises an iou) and he calls this a "protest." How "brave" of him. His just given moral validation to vandals and petty criminals the world over. Makes me think of the same kind of scene in Life Of Brian.
Incidentally, I may be wrong, but I believe the Novotel is a US hotel chain. It looks like he's just cut his nose to spite his face. What a moron.
Stupid asshole. How much damage do you think you have done to the hotel? Even worse, you didn't pay a cent for your staying in the hotel. You should go to hell, white ignorant trash.
what ever he said, just dont forget to pay the damage for hotel. I just wonder how old is he? 18 or 19 years old. its NOT cute for him doing this at his age.
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Its amazing to read all these nasty comments coming from Chinese people. You judge a man for an act to raise awarness for your own people. A man who truly has love and compassion for the Chinese people who are in persecution. Weather one believes in God or not, we all have a heart and should understand the cause These people should not have to be in persecution for having a belief. You don't have to support the man but support the people who don't have a voice and only want feedom like you
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What a comment to a man who has so much love and compassion for your people or people of interest You may not understand his actions but you should understand the cause. If you don't then you should do your own research of the Chinese people in persecution. I still can't understand how people can feel a hotel room is more valuable then a human being This cause is not about Gadfly which most of you are making it out to be It's about a mother a father a sister a brother who only want to be heard
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Doing an act to draw attention to so many people who are being beaten and tortured for their beliefs and knowing that you will be persecuted by people who will not understand and will also have to suffer other consequences then yes I would call it Love. You have your right and freedom to voice your opinions This man's act is only to get people to raise their voices for people who can not.The hotel will not suffer, the bill will be paid but maybe by this act just one will be saved.
Get real. This man is into nothing but self-promotion. A typical American from Bumfuck, Idaho, who thinks he knows it all. He thinks he's some big brave hero but he's just a petty, cowardly criminal. All he speaks for is stupidity and ignorance.
To ns4jc: Love and compassion action have to have a cause, which was the so-called persecution that only came from your mouth instead of reliable evidence and sources. Besides, one of the response video is a man-made movie where a "Chinese" lady sounds immediately an Americanized pronunciation. Don't always assume average ppl are retarded except yourself.
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You go Gadfly, tell it like it is! I support you 100%. Though your method might be controversial, the message needed to be said. It's so easy for people to tear you down from their safe little homes away from any real danger or persecution. If they knew of the atrocities, they might see it differently. Thanks for letting us know that you will surrender and pay for the damage. What you did was very brave and atypical of Christians to do as well. You're standing up for all religions! Amazing.
Religion is so out of date, ppl worship and obeying an imaginary figure makes me laugh. Human being should be nice to each other and do good deeds not just because some "God" told us so, but because we should. China doesn't need this archaic superstition fooling our minds.
another great example of "diplomatic" american christians. Seriously though this dirty ol'douchebag looks like a pedophile that just got himself out of a shower w/ 10 underage kids from his worship group
creepy stuff. a form of vandalism with idiotic and delusional self-righteousness. what a contrast to mainstream images and reception of 2008 beiijing olympia. religious fanaticism makes religion look bad, and eddie romero is one more example. by the way, did he leave a credit card number at the hotel? i hope so.
Does anybody know the cost of cleaning the hotel room will be more than 1200 USD? This jerk and freak ran away without paying a cent, neither his hotel charge.
i am sorry to say that what this kind of people have done in order to draw attention from chinese ppl on a particular issue is not gonna work.cos Chinese ppl respect the ppl who are positive and can actually contribute to make diference.This kind of behaviour may be welcome in the west .but it can only make Chinese ppl sick and unsupportive.Not good idea Really.
if u dont understand the history of CHINA, then dont talk like u'v been there for a long time, why cant u just focus on making Irak to be a war-free place if u can?!!oh,yeah,the war which was started by American at the first place!! dont u think the people of Irak will write something on their wall by using real blood of americans like u? i wish they really can!!fuckoff!!! dont pretend to be a "human rights" saviour,caus u r nothing!
The Gadfly project wasn't created to raise awareness of fake blood on walls. It was created to raise awareness of what is happening to the people that are being persecuted because they believe in something. Yeah it was fake blood on walls but people aren't walls. They hurt, cry, and bleed.
U GO Lenzie! All we want is MAKE PPL PAY ATTENTION. mr iamgadfly have big heart 4 CHina. If you go get 10 of ur friends, and tell them to do this. 10 of ur friends FAKE BLOOD ON HOTEL WALL, make a YouTube video. If they do same to 10 friends. YOU WILL HAVE 100 YouTube video fake blood. 1000, 10000, A MILLION videos. PPL WILL PAY ATTENTION!!! Voice 4 voiceless. BIG hearts 4 China!!! GO GO GO. JUST DO IT PLEASE!!! STOP TALKING!!!
jshep7: Thanks for not comparing him to Jesus or Moses. Sincerely. The Luther comparison is only apt in that he is breaking communion with the tens of millions of Chinese Christians who worship openly and don't agree with him. You can be assured that neither George Bush nor Pope Benedict support his criminal and immoral campaign.
CRO: We can read ChinaAid site ourselves, no need to paste the whole site in comments here. You have to be insane to think that promoting that propaganda site will help Christians in China. It not only promotes Falun Dafa cult and Tibet Political Separatism, it is run by a guy who was expelled from China for Tiananmen and other political revolutionary funded by westerners. Can't you find less tainted voices for Christ in China?
It is sad how so many of you don't understand the purpose of his actions. But everyone is entitled to there own opinion.
The whole purpose is to raise awareness of what is really happening to people of all faiths in China. NOT for Gadfly to write on walls for is own well being. He is raising his voice for those who can't!!!!!
Blah blah blah. BOOOORING! Need 2 make more ppls sees this. Stop talking and go GET SOME ATTENTION! Do crazy stuff! Go splatter paints on ppl and make video of it! Kick fat kid in shins and video it on YouTube. B wild n crazy 4 Jesus! Shake ur booty in ur underpants, what eva God gave you. GET SOME ATTENTION!!
Im gonna rub poop on hotel walls like iamgadfly does and PUT ON YOUTUBE. PPL WILL WATCH IT!! FOR GOD!!
jshep7: It's amazing to me that we finally have a China where the Bible is freely available in a canonical form, yet instead of rejoicing we have crazy people wanting to break communion and take up political arms for the right to teach ... strict creationism! It's a dumb idea that even Augustine slammed, and I cannot believe you would justify breaking communion over such a stupid and irrelevant squabble. People in the U.S. don't even believe that crap.
Dred Scott, Stokely Carmichael, william wilberforce, Martin Luther king jr, Martin luther...just to name a few people that stood up for what they believed in and did some "crazy" things to speak up about injustices.
Breaking communion? With you? In essentials unity, in nonessentials liberty, in all things charity. We can agree to disagree on this whole issue....: )
Christopher: Regarding the Christians under Nero. Let me know when the Chinese start demanding Christians to worship Nero or President Hu. Until then, no comparison.
The Christians refused to worship Nero because it would've been dishonest and blasphemous. Pastor Eddie, on the other hand, is lying to people and putting himself above God.
In 2007, the known religious cases in which house churches were persecuted by the government covered 18 provinces and one municipality directly under the jurisdiction of the Central Government and there were 60 cases of persecution, up 30.4% from that of 2006.
The total number of people persecuted was 788, up 18.5% from that of the year before. The total number of people arrested and detained is 693, up 6.6% from that of the year before. 16 people were sentenced to imprisonment, down 5.9% from that of the year before.
(1) Against the house church leaders: This is also the characteristic in 2006 which is different from the large-scale persecution of ordinary believers in 2005. A total of 415 church leaders were arrested in 2007. This accounts for 59.9% of all people arrested and for 52.6% of all people suffering persecution. (Please refer to Part 3 of this report. 4. Diagram)
(2) Against house churches in urban areas: Among the 60 cases of persecution, 35 of them occurred in urban areas (not including small towns) which accounts for 58.3%. Among these, the number of people persecuted in urban areas is 599 which accounts for 76% of a total number of 788 people. (Please see Part 2)
(3) Against Christian publications: There are seven persecution cases related to the operation, printing, transportation and distribution of Christian publications. They account for 11.7% of all the 60 persecution cases. Though the percentage of this type is not very high, two religious cases aroused concerns from the international community:
one is the case in which Zhou Heng was persecuted for receiving a shipment of Bibles and operating legal Christian publications; another is that Mr. Shi Weihan in Beijing, who was persecuted for legal operation of Christian publications.
(4) Against foreign Christians and missionaries: Because of "Operation Typhoon No. 5," a total of over 100 (84 already confirmed) foreign Christians were arrested, interrogated and expelled from the country. Most of these were Christians from the West and a few of them were Christians from South Korea and other countries. About 70 foreign Christians were persecuted in Xinjiang. Some of these foreign Christians were not missionaries, but had their own secular professions in China.
However, as they preached the Christian belief or were associated with local Christians and churches, they were persecuted by the government. This is the largest persecution operation of expelling foreign Christians since the early 1950s when the CPC drove out all of the foreign missionaries.
2007 has seen a widespread increase of persecution across China. Statistics show that the number of cases of persecution, the number of people persecuted and the number of people arrested and detained has made a dramatic increase since 2006.
Concern is that in 2009, after the Beijing Olympics, that the persecution on churches and Christians will escalate and the human rights condition will seriously worsen.
Visit: Chinaaid(dot)org A website that gives a window into China. Through it, the world is able to witness the oppression, imprisonment and torture of Christians' legislated persecution that America's lucrative trading partner is determined to conceal. In addition, CAA ministers to the suffering Church through prayer, education and training, financial support and intervention.
Visit: Monitorchina(dot)org - an excellent website that allows you to view persecution stories by provinces in China. They gather verifiable reports on threats and actions against the religious freedom of all people in China, regardless of their religious affiliation. They urge proper actions by concerned communities to help advance religious freedom for all in China.
Christopher, Christianity came to China along with guns in the 19th century. You guys never earned a bit of credibility. You go to hell and the world will be in peace.
Caffy - Which revisionist history are you reading? The Gospel first came to the east and then in to China through the apostle Thomas - just a little earlier than the 19th century. Hudson Taylor - who came in the 19th century came very peacefully and successfully. Communism has raped that nation. Keep reading Caffy. Grace & Peace
Who invited those apocyte of your false god to our holy nation? Who had created clonies from our mother land? its you! heretics! follower of the false god! scum! coward! invators! You christians came and seeing our holy traditional culture as guilty and wanted to destroy them just as what you did to the Red Indians. At least our commi saved us from being your slave, and we can pray to any god we believe in, not as you, you scum
Just trying to love you like Jesus said to. wasn't your nation invaded with communism? Have you silently watched the murder and disappearance of countless countrymen and done nothing? Who will speak up for you when they take you away? God loves you. Jesus proved it. Millions of your countrymen (our brothers and sisters in Jesus) declare it to you. We raise our voices for them and for you. True freedom is found only in Jesus Christ. Grace and Peace.
No, China was invaded by Christian missionaries AND opium, both sent by the Europeans back in the 1800's. It was because your Brit believers that China's dynastic rule was overthrown and had to implement communism. Now you're trying to blame communism? Funny! :D We were doing fine for centuries, thankyouverymuch.
You _really_ need to pick up a history book one of these days.
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Hey Mr. History buff, you're wrong, The problem wasn't that China was "Invaded" by Christian missionaries. They arrived around the same time as the movement of Western Colonialism made it's way east. Because of the timing of the arrival, these 2 these 2 things became entwined in the eyes of the Chinese. This lead to the Treaty of Tianjin, then the Boxer Rebellion of 1900. Out of this, communism was born which banned all religious activities in the name of absolute atheism.
What? Missionaries just happen by some astonishing coincidence to always rock up at the same time as the swords, guns and flags? Everywhere?
You're kidding yourself if you think Christianity is somehow outside of and separate to Western Colonialism/Imperialism. It not only was and still very much is a part of it but was, until recently when other "ideologies" took over, the Imperialism's primary rationalisation for conquest. Christianity is just a tool of Western Empires.
Now that I see how ridiculously conceited your church is, I'm now hoping you send more people to China to do the same. It's the most sure-fire way of insulating would-be followers from your brand of Christianity. Keep up the good work!
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ManGoneNuts - Truth is a tough and stubborn thing isn't it? Hope the light is starting to shine for you. Let us know if you need more help understanding the necessity of demonstrations like this. They are not always effective but are far more effective than what you are doing for the oppressed people of the world. Grace & Peace.
Christopher: Esther in that story submitted herself to the authority of the king, begged for and was granted mercy and permission. Mordecai was so loyal to the king that he stood up to those who wanted to disobey the king -- see Esther 6:2. The entire story of Esther shows that Esther and Mordecai's respect and obedience for the law is what put them above the others.
Let me ask u a question: if I smear dog poo-poo in ur face, what u do? U WLD PAY ATTENTION!!! if I punch ur mothers stomache, what u do? U WLD PAY ATTENTION!!
U ppl talk TSPM and "scriptur" and u all hiding. U COWARDS. mr iamgadfly does famous things for JESUS.
Mr. iamgadfly he made u PAY ATTENTION. U shld admit he is from Jesus coz ur talking about him. THE WHOLE WORLS WATCHING HIM U JEALOUS SCUMS!!!
mr iamgadfly, he blood in hotel. What did YOU do??? NOTHING!!!
Further concerns exist regarding eschatology and evolution. He does not acknowledge physical resurrection, only speaking of a spiritual resurrection. He says God only "half made" mankind, giving evolution credit, denying the fall of man and thus negating the need for salvation - the foundation of the Christian faith
The theology of the TSPM has become so liberal, that many Christians are now finding that both the TSPM and its teaching are heretical. For instance Bishop Ding challenges the authority of the Bible, stating that God's word is in the Bible, but Satan's word is in there too. He says it is not God's word itself. He also avoids the issue of sin and criticizes the central Protestant doctrine of justification by faith, seeing this as incompatible with socialist ideology.
This is a direct quote from PROTESTANT CHRISTIANITY AND RELIGIOUS FREEDOM IN CHINA,,christian solidarity worldwide
Strong concerns were expressed about the compromised theology of the TSPM. The Three Self Church has gone beyond the traditional limits of state and church theology to try to blend political and religious authority under a communist government.
All U ppl make me puke. What did YOU do for China? NOTHING!! U only critics and bad talkers. Would YOU tape ur puke on YouTube 2 get attention for China? Would U paint fake blood in ur hotel 4 China? mr iamgadflay is more brave than all of u. And even more, he PAID MORE THAN $1000 for plane ticket and hotel. YOU NEVER GAVE NOTHING MONEY TO CHINA!!! HYPOCRITES! HE WILL PAY EVEN $3000 MORE. ALL U DO IS TALK! He has big heart 4 China!
We need ppl to PAY ATTENTION! TV only show Chritians if they think we CRAZY! Mr iamgadfly is not CRAZY enough yet!!! U need to get 3 beautiful asian girls in ur hotel. Next to stuffed doll that have fake blood. Then tell the asian girls to DANCE IN THEIR BATHING SUIT!!! Video of 3 asian girl in BATHING SUIT will MAKE PPPL PAY ATTENTION! They will watch it. I promise U CNN would show that. ONE MILLION PPL will see it!!! Get some attention 4 China. Have big heart 4 China. GIG! GIG! GIG!
It's easy to post and speak our minds in good 'ol USofA (especially in a Youtube forum) ... However, any lazy or biased foolish American can have opinions and speak as though their discernment is second to none; But taking action towards those opinions based on a righteous cause and making a living statement is something else entirely ...
This opinionated observer has one thing to say then ...
I do hate this man. Reads a liberal newspaper article about China, realizes how irrelevant he is and sees an opportunity to get himself some attention like some kind of Mission Impossible agent. I'm sure he's confusing the hell out of the Chinese which is a dubious achievement.
I believe the intent was pure, but I didn't like how the message was conveyed. Even as a member of CCHB, I had a negative reaction when I saw the video. I know the damages will be paid for, but I believe a lot of the message was lost to the general population by them focusing on the vandalism to private property rather than focusing on the message. I pray that Eddie's message will not get lost and that his actions will indeed bring attention to the problems in China. Grace and peace to you! ✞
There are enough people in this world aware of the inhumane restrictions of communism. I agree w/ allenjs626, we must follow the laws of our country. No matter how diligent a gov. tries to restrict religion,you cannot stop GOD. If the Christian bros./sis. are persecuted for their beleif in God, then blessed are they who suffers or dies in the name of the Lord, and great shall be the treasures stored in heaven. This was not neccessary. Prayer last in Gods heart forever,vandilism will be covered.
It was to get attention u morons!!! OMG, heres what u need 2 do mr. iamgadfly! Wear really tight longjohns same color of your skin. Take off your shirt and shoes. Tie a sausage to the front of longjohns. Uh-huh, you get it. U will LOOK naked, but ur not!! No sinning no vandalism. Run through streets where NBC cameras are. PEOPLE WOULD WATCH IT!!! STREAKING VIDEO BABY!! ATTENTION FOR GOD BABY!!!
Thank you for making the CCP's job so much easier with your stupid stunts. As if religious freedom wasn't in trouble already, your lack of cultural sensitivity will alienate those who may become interested in organized faiths and justifies any action that CCP may take. Bravo.
PrometheanRunGood 1 year ago
ok, you guys SERIOUSLY need to chill out. standing up for a group of people is a good thing. why in the world are you freaking out about vandalism? it happens ALL the time for gang glorification, but when someone does it for a good cause you guys harp on it and say how terrible it is? your logic is ridiculous. do you not understand how absurd you sound? just let it go and stop arguing if its wrong. learn to love and not hate. i dare you to make the sacrifice Eddie did!
danielwright18 3 years ago
I know several libraries and even more houses that could (and should) have been built with the money it took to repair your vandalism.
lonniebhodge 3 years ago
AD - did you know that you owe your screen name to Jesus? AD is the latin abbreviation for Anno Domini - The Year of the Lord. Jesus (your heretic scum) loves you so much AD. Love Him back.
WilliamFrancisWelsh 3 years ago
MeatWagon - I'm so glad I didn't see this until close to a month after the fact. By now you and all the others know what a success the Gadfly project was. Voices were raised all over the world. Whingers like you were seen for the pharisees you are. And the Kingdom was expanded. Keep reading your Bible guys. Keep standing up for truth. Keep serving Jesus. Be radical. Be revolutionary. Grace & Peace
WilliamFrancisWelsh 3 years ago
DAMN YOUR JESUS THE HERETIC， SCUM
AD19840304 3 years ago
hello:
I am a Chinese Christian. sorry I don't agree with you the way you did in Beijing. just one question for you: if Jesus was with you there, do you think he will agree to paint on the hotel walls?
we are the ambassador of Jesus.your intention maybe good but your action,sincerely I believe: is wrong.
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ppiuaaaad 3 years ago
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The mission continues. Pastor Eddie's "event" was that rock thrown into the pond that continues to send out ripples. Voices continue to be raised. China's Government is hearing from governments and agencies around the golbe. Things will change. Slowly but they will change. Meanwhile pray for Grandma Wang & Grandma Wu - 79 year old chinese women sentenced to Labor camp for re-education for legally attempting to protest. LOOK - CARE - ACT - BELIEVE
Grace & Peace
WilliamFrancisWelsh 3 years ago
And Jesus said, "Blessed be the Machiavellian, for the end truly justifies the means."
x8z3 3 years ago 11
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i'm sure everyone will agree with you that the act of vandalism is wrong. even he knows it is wrong, but it was a strong way to get the attention, this was an attention getting protest. that was its purpose. to get the attention to the current issue at hand. and you can't even say that the chinese dispise him, cuz you dont know the hearts of all the chinese. they are in a corrupt government and are silenced by that government. you only hear what china wants you to hear. don't be ignorant.
danielwright18 3 years ago
I can hardly believe my eyes as you acknowledge his sin but excuse it hand-over-fist! How about lying? Wrong too, no? I guess for you a sin can apparently be excused if it accomplishes what you want. What a wonderful example of Christian thinking. The fact that the act itself required him comprising his Christian ethics to succeed is a good sign the plan was rotten and ungodly to begin with. Fame he got here. Perhaps that what he wanted. Infamy he got in China (does this even matter to him)?
Meatwaggon 3 years ago 12
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One more time: Precedents
Jesus in the temple turning over tables
Jewish midwives rescue baby boys and lie to Pharaoh and are blessed by God for doing it
God graffitis Nebuchadnezars wall (a king holding God's people in slavery)
USA Boston Tea party . . . and on . . . and on . . . and on
Mr Meat - PLEASE READ SOME BIBLE & SOME HISTORY before you demonstrate yoru ignorance. Grace & Peace
WilliamFrancisWelsh 3 years ago
William, please stop talking to me about being ignorant, especially someone like yourself. I know the stories better than you. I do not equate God with Pastor Romero, which you apparently have done. Perhaps an easy mistake for you, but not so easy for the rest of us. Jesus overturning usurers' and price-gougers' tables isn't even nearly the same thing as a mere man (yes he is William) vandalizing and _LYING_ (can you point to where Jesus lied in the Bible?). Your reasoning is ridiculous.
Meatwaggon 3 years ago 11
He apparently thinks he's God + Jesus + the American Revolutionaries combined. What an ego-puppy.
I say let these fools destroy all credibility of their religion and themselves in China.
mangonut 3 years ago 3
And I just love the standard ignorant Western line of the "government" controls the people like machines which is typically used by Westerners used whenever what Chinese people tell them doesn't jive with what they think Chinese people ought to believe. And I didn't hear anything from the government. I heard it from many friends. OK, so not all of China, but have you any clue what people are saying about this guy on Chinese internet forums? Ask your Chinese friends. Oh, don't have any? CLUELESS.
Meatwaggon 3 years ago 11
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Hey Meat - I have friends that can translate the Chinese for us. How can I find those Chinese internet forums (which were limited during the games)?
Suggestion: Try this - Step into a campus quad and shout your opposition to USA. You can still go to Taco Bell afterward. NEXT - Step into Tianenmen Square in Beijing and shout yoru opposition to the PRC government. You'll probably have to cancel your dinner plans. SEE? Hope that helps. Grace & Peace
WilliamFrancisWelsh 3 years ago
If you have friends that can translate Chinese, you can have them search for the forums, no? William, I'm disappointed to have to read such an idiotic example like the one you just gave. No one disagrees that human rights abuses happen in China. What you seem to be so tragically blind to is the fact that 'Pastor' Romero acted so unlike a pastor that what he ended up doing is soiling Christianity for the sake of pointing out (in the dumbest possible way) what people already know.
Meatwaggon 3 years ago 16
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I don't understand why there are so many ignorant people leaving comments. half of these people don't even care, they just like leaving hateful messages. painting a hotel room is no where near as bad as what they are doing in china. you're acting like this is some evil person who has done terrible things. when all he did was raise awareness to a terrible thing that is happening in china and wants it stopped because of his love for china's people.
danielwright18 3 years ago
You're right that what's happening in China in terms of human rights is worse. Is WORSE, meaning that what he did was also wrong. How can you be SO blind that you cannot see that a wrong done to highlight another wrong is still WRONG??? He is not evil, just stupid, and a showboater. His plan also backfired because he does not know or understand Chinese people; they now hate his guts for what he did. Not only did the message not get through, he managed to tarnish Christianity and Christ.
Meatwaggon 3 years ago 10
It's like being invited as a guest to a banguet, and then spitting on the floor of your host's home. That's how Chinese people see Eddie coming to China and tarnishing the Games, which they consider to be a coming out party to the world. Not as the courageous hero that he obviously sees himself as, but as yet another smug Westerner lecturing to the locals from on high, and delivered in the worst possible way. He managed to soil the reputation of Christianity in the eyes of 1.3 billion people.
Meatwaggon 3 years ago 12
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What is up with all of you people calling eddie "pathetic" you obviously have NO IDEA what is going on. The purpose of the GADFLY project to make people aware of Human Rights in china. NOT to prove a point and "show some guts" as many of you are saying. Those of you saying eddie is "pathetic" think to yourself YOU are pathetic your the one posting a comment about a random video you just saw when you have NO idea about what is going on. Eddie is a very courageous. Excellent job Pastor eddie!
VoiceforVoic3less 3 years ago
lol? how many accounts did u make to rate this video and thumb down those who you think is wrong?
qq578943233 3 years ago 10
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he has one account, but a multitude of supporters.
danielwright18 3 years ago
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I have 1 account EVERYONE is open to their own opinion. wouldn't you say so? If you wanna make comments it's fine. The entire point of THE GADFLY PROJECT was to make people aware of china's human rights abuses and to make people wanna talk and do something about them. So far people are talking now all they gotta do is act.
VoiceforVoic3less 3 years ago
Listen to how Eddie was so gleeful and self-satisfied as he related his incident with the security in the lobby where he had to LIE to people to avoid discovery. That's where he failed the test. Instead of putting his hope in God in that moment, he lied his way out of it. When asked about the paint, he lied his way out of it. I can't believe you people turn a blind eye to his shameful behavior. And for what? Chinese people, instead of seeing him as their big hero like he wanted, now despise him.
Meatwaggon 3 years ago 15
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MBPtoday， you are blind to a fact, no registed and legal religion was baned by commie government, the only thing the religion group should to is obay the legal system, there were hundred thousands of temples in china, with millions of buddism and taoism, and christians. You can find temples and churchs in anywhere in China and there were ten millions of monks and priests. If you want to talk Falun Gong, it is a heresy, just as the "Branch Davidian"
AD19840304 3 years ago
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Because Chinese leaders were unable to separate peaceful missionaries & religions from the western powers & idealogies that took seat, the resulting course of action was the implementation of communism. Since then, the world has witnessed an escalating assault on those who seek a true freedom. It wasn't religion that caused this, it was the dual presence of something the Chinese leaders didn't welcome. And who paid for it? Their own people. China wasn't "doing fine," history tells another story.
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A pastor broke the law, LIED about his intentions to people who asked, and did not pay the damages on his vandalism. How is this an example of godly behavior? There are other ways to get the point across, but this stunt IMO seems more like a showboater earning bragging rights (at other peoples' expense, by the way) than an impassioned plea for human rights. I'm somewhat shocked that so many people overlooked the things he had to compromise to accomplish what he did. A Christian, indeed.
Meatwaggon 3 years ago
if you want to open up china to Christianity...you're doing it the wrong way. I believe in the bible, God never told us to open people up to Christianity this way. u call yourself a pastor? embarassament to Christianity. maybe by putting videos like this on youtube just made it worst. dumb***
qq578943233 3 years ago 6
The two hotels just posted a few messages on a few chinese websites. They still have not received their payments yet.
Is Eddie not entirely capable of paying or is he never planning to do so? How pathetic!
steverose08 3 years ago 12
Eddie's supporters: why is he so concerned with the 5 chinese prisoners and continue to ignore the thousands being unlawfully imprisoned in Guantanamo?
If your church's goal is to free people from unjust confinement, why ignore the big problem and try to solve a smaller issue far far away?
I want to see Mr. Eddie paint "free guantanamo prisoners" on one of the California's most expensive hotels. That would be a good news story and really show some guts.
steverose08 3 years ago 13
As they say, "People in glasshouses.. "
America is the world's biggest hypocrisy.
x8z3 3 years ago 9
chunhaylee he writing is it chinese thats y DAH!!!!
kaossoccergirl17 3 years ago
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mangonut- Let me understand your logic... Painting the walls in 2 hotel rooms w/ water based paint to bring light to the human rights violations in China is the same as flying 2 planes into a building filled w/ innocent people & killing 2000 in the process?
And a man who risks his freedom and well being in order to urge China to provide their citizen with the level of civil and political rights they agreed to when they signed the United Nations Covenant is self-centered and self-righteous?
jbr121318 3 years ago
Oh, bullshit. He isn't risking his freedom. He's going to come home in one piece. Stop it with the "How noble! He's risking his life." Very dramatic there. If he were CHINESE and doing what he's doing, yeah he'd be in huge trouble, whether or not he were a US citizen. Since he's Anglo, he's going to be more or less left alone. Stop and think rationally about all the propaganda you're reading.
mangonut 3 years ago 2
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Man-goes-nuts - are you still at it? You do nothing but criticize those who do much. Eddie is not "anglo" btw. Just another example of your presumption. Nice vocab too man-goes-nuts. Glad you are not on my side. But there is hope. If you pray - please pray for your enemy here. I'm pretty sure that's in the Bible you seem to care about. Bless him - do good to him - pray for him. Grace and Peace MGN
WilliamFrancisWelsh 3 years ago
Oh... Poor thing. You can't argue with logic so you resort to 1st grade name-calling? Does someone need a hug?
Thanks for the laugh, though. I needed it. :D
mangonut 3 years ago 4
Eddie's followers keep pleading for everyone to listen to the message and not the action. Of course I'm going to compare it to something extreme. That's the only thing that'll make you understand that what you're doing is making you look bad.
Unfortunately your church can't see that. All you see is "Down with the Chinese Gov't!" Now just substitute "Chinese" with "US." Don't you think that's all Al Qaeda saw?
Your motto seems to be "Do as I say, not as I do."
mangonut 3 years ago
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Most people don't have enough courage to do what this pastor has done, whether it be in China or Iraq (i think someone actually posted that and laughed as if it was a joke)instead people either don't care or they spill too much garbage from their mouths and feel better about themselves. Let People make as many negative comments as they want because in the END they will be the ones suffering and not until then will they know the TRUTH. God Bless those who are a VOICE FOR THE VOICELESS.GIG.
NGNPKGKP 3 years ago
To NGNPKGKP: your mighty claim that other's negative comments are garbage doesn't make your claim non-garbage at all. Claim in the name of god takes exactly the same form of nonsense communism invading nation China: simply to believe whatever God's ppl like this Gadfly gave to you, and don't question it, and never reason about it with rationalea.
ilovecritics 3 years ago 5
Westerns! you have never imaged one day chinese would speak by their mouth, different like your government and church told you
Now you can listen it!
You believed we chinese are waiting for your "liberation" and hatre our commi.
You never knew the thanks we have to it even its not perfect, at least it librated us from you
YOU HAD NEVER LEARNED THE RAGE OF PEOPLE!
AND NOW YOU CAN TASTE IT!
AD19840304 3 years ago 5
What an asshole- they should throw your bum ass in jail and make you scrub that juvenile shit off. Your graffiti looks like something a 3rd grader would do, and does absolutely NOTHING aside from making human rights activists look like jerks and idiots.
chunhaylee 3 years ago 6
Asshole!
dingyilin 3 years ago 5
Learn: ChinaAid(dot)org
Act: Exodus8One(dot)org
ChristopherRayOlague 3 years ago
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Wow. Can it be that some still don't get this? Hopefully tens of thousands of voices have been raised. To the IOC - The UN - Govt of USA and China. People who care about persecuted people are doing something to change this evil. And thank God for even the criticism - Each hit on these videos makes them more visible. Tell all your friends - Let's keep those voices raised. Write - Email - Fax - Phone - Txt - and PRAY. This campaign WILL make a difference. Grace & Peace
WilliamFrancisWelsh 3 years ago
Pray to your false god， you heretic of human beings，live in the llies of the monk noble slaveholder dalai larma and the cheater master and murderer Li Hongzhi of Falungong， Why not you raise the voice of those tibetan slaves and those who died for Li Hongzhi as his sacrifice just as CCP had done? coward!
AD19840304 3 years ago 5
Wow, amazing! I would never do something like this but I'm glad someone did! This is a message that needs to get out more. I know people who's lives have been maimed under the hand of the CCP. It's a shame they haven't met the promises they made to the IOC. Well China has come a long way as a nation, their human rights record has as a matter of fact, grown increasingly worse. It just sickens me.
inthelight20 3 years ago
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Wow I am amazed at how many people are still focusing in on the action rather than doing something and raising a voice. Do something instead of leaving trite messages taht are meaningless!
jshep7 3 years ago
Well! By your logic we should listen to the message of those who committed the acts during 9/11 and not condemn their actions.
Ya'll are a bunch of self-centered self-righteous vandals.
Feeling like showing your white superiority complex, are we?
mangonut 3 years ago 3
Learn: ChinaAid(dot)org
Act: Exodus8One(dot)org
ChristopherRayOlague 3 years ago 2
btw, if it's a hotel room, you might as well just do it in the united states and pretend that you are in china. In this way, you save 1000 dollars from plane ticket, and you can use this 1000 dollars to pay for the cost of cleaning up your shit.
mingyuguo 3 years ago 5
why don't you just pay the bill?
You should spend some time in prison for vandalism. Criminal!
A crime in god's name is still a crime
mingyuguo 3 years ago 7
a american jerk, get out from china, a mad dog
waterloosrain 3 years ago 5
3 years old christian??? ohh American christian. what a loser!
chinaupup 3 years ago 7
God bless asshole!
windgo1980 3 years ago 5
If it weren't for assholes, shit heads like you would never be born!
otramosca 3 years ago
for windgo1980!
otramosca 3 years ago
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Gadfly's actions do not even compare to what the prison guards do to those that are captured and tortured for their faith. So many people don't understand this because they get to live in freedom.
MmzLenz 3 years ago
To MmzLenz: Oh yeah? "Gadfly's actions do not even compare to what the prison guards do to those that are captured and tortured for their faith." So what those infamous pastor did to innocent kids do not even compare to what the gay haters did to gay ppl that were brutally tortured and murdered. They should be treated as heroes, or what?
ilovecritics 3 years ago 3
It is wise for chinese christians escaped from churchs of you, you follower of the false god, the will of god would turn on you one day, you false saint, would suffer in the frame with the great enemy
AD19840304 3 years ago 4
thank you legion!
jshep7 3 years ago
you are a great god's warrior. The Chinese will surely learn the meaning of "freedom" and "human rights" from your "heroic" act. I doubt you will pay for the damage and fine though.
Do it in USA, you are looking at some serious jail time.
ragingsoul 3 years ago 9
An old man looks like a Saints paid nothing and fled...
I need to calm down.
run399 3 years ago 5
great, keep it going.. let's see the ugly faces of christians..
akirashou 3 years ago 7
wow... God is for vandalism!
Christians are for Vandalism!
Support this pastor!
supercoil007 3 years ago 6
This is pathetic. You're a total embarrassment. I don't believe that you will pay for the damages you've caused. This is completely pointless and self-defeating. You're only going to piss off the Chinese who are not Christian, or about 1.29 billion people.
mangonut 3 years ago
In answer to bburgis - YES ! it will be worth it to see the nation of China's leaders release those who are held in prison for their faith. Pastor Romero has and is doing a great thing for God. He will pay the highest price of anyone in this endeavor.
WilliamFrancisWelsh 3 years ago
To WilliamFrancisWelsh: well yes, sounds to be a very moving statement "He will pay the highest price of anyone in this endeavor". In real, all he has to pay is to pay off hotel damages and be deported from China for his criminal behaviors.
ilovecritics 3 years ago 4
That is one possible scenario. Also - because of the damage, he could be held. I hope you are praying for the persecuted and for critics you love. Your prayers can change things. Grace & Peace
WilliamFrancisWelsh 3 years ago
To WilliamFrancisWelsh: I'm not a prayer and I have no comment on your experience and belief. Here is the problem with persecution, when one heard even just ten times of lies, one would tend to be very very doubtful about any similar story the eleventh time. This sounds subjective yet it's quite scientific. If you do have evidence for persecutions, publicize it here and let ppl judge. Another wrong doing can never be a voice of righteousness I would love.
ilovecritics 3 years ago 5
Your existing is the assaulting to the peace, you fake believer.
AD19840304 3 years ago
WilliamFrancisWelsh:
"In answer to bburgis - YES ! it will be worth it to see the nation of China's leaders release those who are held in prison for their faith."
This is not Moses saying, Let my people go." This is not Daniel in the lions' den. This is just some wacko American trashing a hotel room. Period.
And that's exactly how the Chinese people already see it. All this does is fuel hatred and suspicion of your country and your religion.
You are seriously deluded. Get a passport.
x8z3 3 years ago 5
To believe in god and the so-called "human right" is a good reason to justify the vandalism and the behaviors against the law? Of coz, think about it, how many pastors had given decent sexual lessons to little kids in the name of god? and, how many infamous pastors had committed federal felony and been on the run in the name of god? Plenty! Oh my god, this is nothing!
ilovecritics 3 years ago
the "good" pastor trashes a hotel room and skips out on the bill (but promises an iou) and he calls this a "protest." How "brave" of him. His just given moral validation to vandals and petty criminals the world over. Makes me think of the same kind of scene in Life Of Brian.
Incidentally, I may be wrong, but I believe the Novotel is a US hotel chain. It looks like he's just cut his nose to spite his face. What a moron.
x8z3 3 years ago
trash. asshole!!!!
foolisharp 3 years ago 4
Trash. Shame on you!
spadayhouston 3 years ago 5
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Uncle .. what are you're doing is glorious and all the world admires your stance and your understanding ... i love you, man!
Love Your Nephew from C-town! GADFLY LIVES~!
ob1kan0b 3 years ago
Stupid asshole. How much damage do you think you have done to the hotel? Even worse, you didn't pay a cent for your staying in the hotel. You should go to hell, white ignorant trash.
xiangzsh 3 years ago 7
what ever he said, just dont forget to pay the damage for hotel. I just wonder how old is he? 18 or 19 years old. its NOT cute for him doing this at his age.
woowales 3 years ago 9
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Its amazing to read all these nasty comments coming from Chinese people. You judge a man for an act to raise awarness for your own people. A man who truly has love and compassion for the Chinese people who are in persecution. Weather one believes in God or not, we all have a heart and should understand the cause These people should not have to be in persecution for having a belief. You don't have to support the man but support the people who don't have a voice and only want feedom like you
ns4jc 3 years ago
White trash! Pay for your room and services first! If you don't have enough money, just stay at the US and live in your own garbage can!
lizicejasmine 3 years ago 3
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What a comment to a man who has so much love and compassion for your people or people of interest You may not understand his actions but you should understand the cause. If you don't then you should do your own research of the Chinese people in persecution. I still can't understand how people can feel a hotel room is more valuable then a human being This cause is not about Gadfly which most of you are making it out to be It's about a mother a father a sister a brother who only want to be heard
ns4jc 3 years ago
dude, he didn't pay for his room and service. What do you call that? Love?
imcaffeine 3 years ago 7
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Doing an act to draw attention to so many people who are being beaten and tortured for their beliefs and knowing that you will be persecuted by people who will not understand and will also have to suffer other consequences then yes I would call it Love. You have your right and freedom to voice your opinions This man's act is only to get people to raise their voices for people who can not.The hotel will not suffer, the bill will be paid but maybe by this act just one will be saved.
ns4jc 3 years ago
Get real. This man is into nothing but self-promotion. A typical American from Bumfuck, Idaho, who thinks he knows it all. He thinks he's some big brave hero but he's just a petty, cowardly criminal. All he speaks for is stupidity and ignorance.
x8z3 3 years ago
Are you retarded?
karenhz 3 years ago 9
To ns4jc: Love and compassion action have to have a cause, which was the so-called persecution that only came from your mouth instead of reliable evidence and sources. Besides, one of the response video is a man-made movie where a "Chinese" lady sounds immediately an Americanized pronunciation. Don't always assume average ppl are retarded except yourself.
ilovecritics 3 years ago 3
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You go Gadfly, tell it like it is! I support you 100%. Though your method might be controversial, the message needed to be said. It's so easy for people to tear you down from their safe little homes away from any real danger or persecution. If they knew of the atrocities, they might see it differently. Thanks for letting us know that you will surrender and pay for the damage. What you did was very brave and atypical of Christians to do as well. You're standing up for all religions! Amazing.
inthelight20 3 years ago
What a trash. He tried so hard to go to hell. Pay for your room first, you douchebag!
imcaffeine 3 years ago 5
Son of bitch! shame on you, American
dwnstjude 3 years ago 6
"But I am a worm and not a man,
scorned by mankind and despised by the people. All who see me mock me;
they make mouths at me; they wag their heads; "He trusts in the Lord; let him deliver him;
let him rescue him, for he delights in him!" " -Psalm 22:6-8
MmzLenz 3 years ago
Shame on you!
yokostar 3 years ago 4
As i know, he didnt pay the fee of room, and the hotel cost >1000 euros for cleaning.
So he must pay 1500 euros.
fyy2007 3 years ago 4
what a clown!! Your lord must be real proud of you!!
This is creepy wideo! do you know this is criminal? Why are you guys doing this! you looks like a terrorist.
Nobody will be supporting such a criminal no matter what he is doing for.
dutmcse 3 years ago 2
Religion is so out of date, ppl worship and obeying an imaginary figure makes me laugh. Human being should be nice to each other and do good deeds not just because some "God" told us so, but because we should. China doesn't need this archaic superstition fooling our minds.
piacere 3 years ago 3
another great example of "diplomatic" american christians. Seriously though this dirty ol'douchebag looks like a pedophile that just got himself out of a shower w/ 10 underage kids from his worship group
ElDrinna 3 years ago
What a freak!
hornplayer84 3 years ago 3
In 10 days? fuck! be careful Chinese girls and boys.
weili42 3 years ago 2
Exactly he didn't pay shit to the hotel let alone surrender to the police.
ElDrinna 3 years ago 2
creepy stuff. a form of vandalism with idiotic and delusional self-righteousness. what a contrast to mainstream images and reception of 2008 beiijing olympia. religious fanaticism makes religion look bad, and eddie romero is one more example. by the way, did he leave a credit card number at the hotel? i hope so.
antichrist0817 3 years ago
what a clown!! Your lord must be real proud of you!!
sambainan 3 years ago
I would like to konw how much will he pay if he do this in USA and EURO
111wxd 3 years ago 2
Most terrible things and conflict in the world are caused by religion. Now in Europe, more ppl dunt even bother to give it a shit.
zickyy 3 years ago 2
What a muppet. I am even bothered to argue with u.
Pay for the damage and then fuck off from China.
China don't need CHRISTIAN, we have Buddhism and Taoism
The door of hell is open for you. Go go go
zickyy 3 years ago 2
is every evangelist w*a*nker?
shiker99 3 years ago 2
Hey, Eddie Romero, you did not pay the hotel and the damage! BIG hearts 4 China? we dont need it. get your big ass and big mouth out of China pls.
bxwww 3 years ago 2
Does anybody know the cost of cleaning the hotel room will be more than 1200 USD? This jerk and freak ran away without paying a cent, neither his hotel charge.
What a shame!
luyi99 3 years ago 2
Religious fanatics are really freaky! This video feels like "Seven". The film "There will be blood" is a perfect portrait of these "People". Mad.
piacere 3 years ago 2
This is really horrible!
ozmeltk 3 years ago 2
i am sorry to say that what this kind of people have done in order to draw attention from chinese ppl on a particular issue is not gonna work.cos Chinese ppl respect the ppl who are positive and can actually contribute to make diference.This kind of behaviour may be welcome in the west .but it can only make Chinese ppl sick and unsupportive.Not good idea Really.
dawei555 3 years ago 2
if u dont understand the history of CHINA, then dont talk like u'v been there for a long time, why cant u just focus on making Irak to be a war-free place if u can?!!oh,yeah,the war which was started by American at the first place!! dont u think the people of Irak will write something on their wall by using real blood of americans like u? i wish they really can!!fuckoff!!! dont pretend to be a "human rights" saviour,caus u r nothing!
evan320 3 years ago
Stupid
The hotel shall bring this stupid guy to the court
myu106 3 years ago 4
ALL CHRISTIANS GO TO HELL!
cntriones 3 years ago 2
your fucking american jerk, wreck the hotel room and ran away without pay, will people like this gonna bring democracy to china, go to hell!
cntriones 3 years ago 2
The Gadfly project wasn't created to raise awareness of fake blood on walls. It was created to raise awareness of what is happening to the people that are being persecuted because they believe in something. Yeah it was fake blood on walls but people aren't walls. They hurt, cry, and bleed.
MmzLenz 3 years ago
U GO Lenzie! All we want is MAKE PPL PAY ATTENTION. mr iamgadfly have big heart 4 CHina. If you go get 10 of ur friends, and tell them to do this. 10 of ur friends FAKE BLOOD ON HOTEL WALL, make a YouTube video. If they do same to 10 friends. YOU WILL HAVE 100 YouTube video fake blood. 1000, 10000, A MILLION videos. PPL WILL PAY ATTENTION!!! Voice 4 voiceless. BIG hearts 4 China!!! GO GO GO. JUST DO IT PLEASE!!! STOP TALKING!!!
iamGAGfly 3 years ago
jshep7: Thanks for not comparing him to Jesus or Moses. Sincerely. The Luther comparison is only apt in that he is breaking communion with the tens of millions of Chinese Christians who worship openly and don't agree with him. You can be assured that neither George Bush nor Pope Benedict support his criminal and immoral campaign.
allenjs626 3 years ago 2
CRO: We can read ChinaAid site ourselves, no need to paste the whole site in comments here. You have to be insane to think that promoting that propaganda site will help Christians in China. It not only promotes Falun Dafa cult and Tibet Political Separatism, it is run by a guy who was expelled from China for Tiananmen and other political revolutionary funded by westerners. Can't you find less tainted voices for Christ in China?
allenjs626 3 years ago
It is sad how so many of you don't understand the purpose of his actions. But everyone is entitled to there own opinion.
The whole purpose is to raise awareness of what is really happening to people of all faiths in China. NOT for Gadfly to write on walls for is own well being. He is raising his voice for those who can't!!!!!
MmzLenz 3 years ago
PASTOR EDDIE!
it's Jacklyn Hernandez!
Denine's daughter!
i love you!!!
be safe.
slipster4750 3 years ago
Blah blah blah. BOOOORING! Need 2 make more ppls sees this. Stop talking and go GET SOME ATTENTION! Do crazy stuff! Go splatter paints on ppl and make video of it! Kick fat kid in shins and video it on YouTube. B wild n crazy 4 Jesus! Shake ur booty in ur underpants, what eva God gave you. GET SOME ATTENTION!!
Im gonna rub poop on hotel walls like iamgadfly does and PUT ON YOUTUBE. PPL WILL WATCH IT!! FOR GOD!!
iamGAGfly 3 years ago
Chris ray olague----from here on out will be named CRO...: )
You are the man!
jshep7 3 years ago
jshep7: It's amazing to me that we finally have a China where the Bible is freely available in a canonical form, yet instead of rejoicing we have crazy people wanting to break communion and take up political arms for the right to teach ... strict creationism! It's a dumb idea that even Augustine slammed, and I cannot believe you would justify breaking communion over such a stupid and irrelevant squabble. People in the U.S. don't even believe that crap.
allenjs626 3 years ago
Dred Scott, Stokely Carmichael, william wilberforce, Martin Luther king jr, Martin luther...just to name a few people that stood up for what they believed in and did some "crazy" things to speak up about injustices.
Breaking communion? With you? In essentials unity, in nonessentials liberty, in all things charity. We can agree to disagree on this whole issue....: )
jshep7 3 years ago
This was for Allen js626
jshep7 3 years ago
Christopher: Regarding the Christians under Nero. Let me know when the Chinese start demanding Christians to worship Nero or President Hu. Until then, no comparison.
The Christians refused to worship Nero because it would've been dishonest and blasphemous. Pastor Eddie, on the other hand, is lying to people and putting himself above God.
allenjs626 3 years ago
In 2007, the known religious cases in which house churches were persecuted by the government covered 18 provinces and one municipality directly under the jurisdiction of the Central Government and there were 60 cases of persecution, up 30.4% from that of 2006.
ChristopherRayOlague 3 years ago
The total number of people persecuted was 788, up 18.5% from that of the year before. The total number of people arrested and detained is 693, up 6.6% from that of the year before. 16 people were sentenced to imprisonment, down 5.9% from that of the year before.
ChristopherRayOlague 3 years ago
Four Characteristics of Persecution
(1) Against the house church leaders: This is also the characteristic in 2006 which is different from the large-scale persecution of ordinary believers in 2005. A total of 415 church leaders were arrested in 2007. This accounts for 59.9% of all people arrested and for 52.6% of all people suffering persecution. (Please refer to Part 3 of this report. 4. Diagram)
ChristopherRayOlague 3 years ago
(2) Against house churches in urban areas: Among the 60 cases of persecution, 35 of them occurred in urban areas (not including small towns) which accounts for 58.3%. Among these, the number of people persecuted in urban areas is 599 which accounts for 76% of a total number of 788 people. (Please see Part 2)
ChristopherRayOlague 3 years ago
(3) Against Christian publications: There are seven persecution cases related to the operation, printing, transportation and distribution of Christian publications. They account for 11.7% of all the 60 persecution cases. Though the percentage of this type is not very high, two religious cases aroused concerns from the international community:
ChristopherRayOlague 3 years ago
one is the case in which Zhou Heng was persecuted for receiving a shipment of Bibles and operating legal Christian publications; another is that Mr. Shi Weihan in Beijing, who was persecuted for legal operation of Christian publications.
ChristopherRayOlague 3 years ago
(4) Against foreign Christians and missionaries: Because of "Operation Typhoon No. 5," a total of over 100 (84 already confirmed) foreign Christians were arrested, interrogated and expelled from the country. Most of these were Christians from the West and a few of them were Christians from South Korea and other countries. About 70 foreign Christians were persecuted in Xinjiang. Some of these foreign Christians were not missionaries, but had their own secular professions in China.
ChristopherRayOlague 3 years ago
However, as they preached the Christian belief or were associated with local Christians and churches, they were persecuted by the government. This is the largest persecution operation of expelling foreign Christians since the early 1950s when the CPC drove out all of the foreign missionaries.
ChristopherRayOlague 3 years ago
2007 has seen a widespread increase of persecution across China. Statistics show that the number of cases of persecution, the number of people persecuted and the number of people arrested and detained has made a dramatic increase since 2006.
ChristopherRayOlague 3 years ago
Concern is that in 2009, after the Beijing Olympics, that the persecution on churches and Christians will escalate and the human rights condition will seriously worsen.
ChristopherRayOlague 3 years ago
Visit: Chinaaid(dot)org A website that gives a window into China. Through it, the world is able to witness the oppression, imprisonment and torture of Christians' legislated persecution that America's lucrative trading partner is determined to conceal. In addition, CAA ministers to the suffering Church through prayer, education and training, financial support and intervention.
ChristopherRayOlague 3 years ago
Visit: Monitorchina(dot)org - an excellent website that allows you to view persecution stories by provinces in China. They gather verifiable reports on threats and actions against the religious freedom of all people in China, regardless of their religious affiliation. They urge proper actions by concerned communities to help advance religious freedom for all in China.
ChristopherRayOlague 3 years ago
Christopher, Christianity came to China along with guns in the 19th century. You guys never earned a bit of credibility. You go to hell and the world will be in peace.
imcaffeine 3 years ago 2
Caffy - Which revisionist history are you reading? The Gospel first came to the east and then in to China through the apostle Thomas - just a little earlier than the 19th century. Hudson Taylor - who came in the 19th century came very peacefully and successfully. Communism has raped that nation. Keep reading Caffy. Grace & Peace
WilliamFrancisWelsh 3 years ago
Who invited those apocyte of your false god to our holy nation? Who had created clonies from our mother land? its you! heretics! follower of the false god! scum! coward! invators! You christians came and seeing our holy traditional culture as guilty and wanted to destroy them just as what you did to the Red Indians. At least our commi saved us from being your slave, and we can pray to any god we believe in, not as you, you scum
AD19840304 3 years ago
Just trying to love you like Jesus said to. wasn't your nation invaded with communism? Have you silently watched the murder and disappearance of countless countrymen and done nothing? Who will speak up for you when they take you away? God loves you. Jesus proved it. Millions of your countrymen (our brothers and sisters in Jesus) declare it to you. We raise our voices for them and for you. True freedom is found only in Jesus Christ. Grace and Peace.
WilliamFrancisWelsh 3 years ago
No, China was invaded by Christian missionaries AND opium, both sent by the Europeans back in the 1800's. It was because your Brit believers that China's dynastic rule was overthrown and had to implement communism. Now you're trying to blame communism? Funny! :D We were doing fine for centuries, thankyouverymuch.
You _really_ need to pick up a history book one of these days.
mangonut 3 years ago 5
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Hey Mr. History buff, you're wrong, The problem wasn't that China was "Invaded" by Christian missionaries. They arrived around the same time as the movement of Western Colonialism made it's way east. Because of the timing of the arrival, these 2 these 2 things became entwined in the eyes of the Chinese. This lead to the Treaty of Tianjin, then the Boxer Rebellion of 1900. Out of this, communism was born which banned all religious activities in the name of absolute atheism.
MBPtoday 3 years ago
Yes, events which led to communism. Your point? :)
mangonut 3 years ago 3
What? Missionaries just happen by some astonishing coincidence to always rock up at the same time as the swords, guns and flags? Everywhere?
You're kidding yourself if you think Christianity is somehow outside of and separate to Western Colonialism/Imperialism. It not only was and still very much is a part of it but was, until recently when other "ideologies" took over, the Imperialism's primary rationalisation for conquest. Christianity is just a tool of Western Empires.
x8z3 3 years ago 2
Now that I see how ridiculously conceited your church is, I'm now hoping you send more people to China to do the same. It's the most sure-fire way of insulating would-be followers from your brand of Christianity. Keep up the good work!
mangonut 3 years ago 5
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ManGoneNuts - Truth is a tough and stubborn thing isn't it? Hope the light is starting to shine for you. Let us know if you need more help understanding the necessity of demonstrations like this. They are not always effective but are far more effective than what you are doing for the oppressed people of the world. Grace & Peace.
WilliamFrancisWelsh 3 years ago
:D
Please send more people to China and paint more hotels. I want to see the people of China outright reject everything you stand for.
mangonut 3 years ago
How is he he lying and what is he lying about? The persecution is well documented and there are many cases cited by reputable organizations.
jshep7 3 years ago
Christopher: Esther in that story submitted herself to the authority of the king, begged for and was granted mercy and permission. Mordecai was so loyal to the king that he stood up to those who wanted to disobey the king -- see Esther 6:2. The entire story of Esther shows that Esther and Mordecai's respect and obedience for the law is what put them above the others.
allenjs626 3 years ago
Let me ask u a question: if I smear dog poo-poo in ur face, what u do? U WLD PAY ATTENTION!!! if I punch ur mothers stomache, what u do? U WLD PAY ATTENTION!!
U ppl talk TSPM and "scriptur" and u all hiding. U COWARDS. mr iamgadfly does famous things for JESUS.
Mr. iamgadfly he made u PAY ATTENTION. U shld admit he is from Jesus coz ur talking about him. THE WHOLE WORLS WATCHING HIM U JEALOUS SCUMS!!!
mr iamgadfly, he blood in hotel. What did YOU do??? NOTHING!!!
iamGAGfly 3 years ago
Further concerns exist regarding eschatology and evolution. He does not acknowledge physical resurrection, only speaking of a spiritual resurrection. He says God only "half made" mankind, giving evolution credit, denying the fall of man and thus negating the need for salvation - the foundation of the Christian faith
jshep7 3 years ago
The theology of the TSPM has become so liberal, that many Christians are now finding that both the TSPM and its teaching are heretical. For instance Bishop Ding challenges the authority of the Bible, stating that God's word is in the Bible, but Satan's word is in there too. He says it is not God's word itself. He also avoids the issue of sin and criticizes the central Protestant doctrine of justification by faith, seeing this as incompatible with socialist ideology.
jshep7 3 years ago
This is a direct quote from PROTESTANT CHRISTIANITY AND RELIGIOUS FREEDOM IN CHINA,,christian solidarity worldwide
Strong concerns were expressed about the compromised theology of the TSPM. The Three Self Church has gone beyond the traditional limits of state and church theology to try to blend political and religious authority under a communist government.
jshep7 3 years ago
All U ppl make me puke. What did YOU do for China? NOTHING!! U only critics and bad talkers. Would YOU tape ur puke on YouTube 2 get attention for China? Would U paint fake blood in ur hotel 4 China? mr iamgadflay is more brave than all of u. And even more, he PAID MORE THAN $1000 for plane ticket and hotel. YOU NEVER GAVE NOTHING MONEY TO CHINA!!! HYPOCRITES! HE WILL PAY EVEN $3000 MORE. ALL U DO IS TALK! He has big heart 4 China!
iamGAGfly 3 years ago
We need ppl to PAY ATTENTION! TV only show Chritians if they think we CRAZY! Mr iamgadfly is not CRAZY enough yet!!! U need to get 3 beautiful asian girls in ur hotel. Next to stuffed doll that have fake blood. Then tell the asian girls to DANCE IN THEIR BATHING SUIT!!! Video of 3 asian girl in BATHING SUIT will MAKE PPPL PAY ATTENTION! They will watch it. I promise U CNN would show that. ONE MILLION PPL will see it!!! Get some attention 4 China. Have big heart 4 China. GIG! GIG! GIG!
iamGAGfly 3 years ago
It's easy to post and speak our minds in good 'ol USofA (especially in a Youtube forum) ... However, any lazy or biased foolish American can have opinions and speak as though their discernment is second to none; But taking action towards those opinions based on a righteous cause and making a living statement is something else entirely ...
This opinionated observer has one thing to say then ...
Well done Pastor Eddie!
Well done!!!
ChristopherRayOlague 3 years ago
I don't question your sincerity BUT I do question your understanding of biblical ethics...
Did Rosa Parks break Alabama law when she refused to sit at the back of the bus?
Did Esther break persian law when she entered the kings court? (Esther 4:10-16)
Did early Christians break Roman laws by not declaring Caesar God or recanting their faith?
Now ask yourself why?
Proverbs 31:8-9
ChristopherRayOlague 3 years ago
Roman 13:1-5
Time to read your Bible Pastor
ecoli73 3 years ago
I do hate this man. Reads a liberal newspaper article about China, realizes how irrelevant he is and sees an opportunity to get himself some attention like some kind of Mission Impossible agent. I'm sure he's confusing the hell out of the Chinese which is a dubious achievement.
tjmax888 3 years ago
I believe the intent was pure, but I didn't like how the message was conveyed. Even as a member of CCHB, I had a negative reaction when I saw the video. I know the damages will be paid for, but I believe a lot of the message was lost to the general population by them focusing on the vandalism to private property rather than focusing on the message. I pray that Eddie's message will not get lost and that his actions will indeed bring attention to the problems in China. Grace and peace to you! ✞
pilotsmith1 3 years ago
There are enough people in this world aware of the inhumane restrictions of communism. I agree w/ allenjs626, we must follow the laws of our country. No matter how diligent a gov. tries to restrict religion,you cannot stop GOD. If the Christian bros./sis. are persecuted for their beleif in God, then blessed are they who suffers or dies in the name of the Lord, and great shall be the treasures stored in heaven. This was not neccessary. Prayer last in Gods heart forever,vandilism will be covered.
arabiangoggles76 3 years ago
It was to get attention u morons!!! OMG, heres what u need 2 do mr. iamgadfly! Wear really tight longjohns same color of your skin. Take off your shirt and shoes. Tie a sausage to the front of longjohns. Uh-huh, you get it. U will LOOK naked, but ur not!! No sinning no vandalism. Run through streets where NBC cameras are. PEOPLE WOULD WATCH IT!!! STREAKING VIDEO BABY!! ATTENTION FOR GOD BABY!!!
iamGAGfly 3 years ago
You are nothing but a pathetic old man who vandalised private property to gain attention.
It doesn't matter what race or religion you may belong to - your 'sins' were downright disgraceful.
jezaaa 3 years ago 3