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  • aside from some eerie mass fish deaths similar to this time last year the first 9 days of 2012 seem pretty uneventful...

  • When the Mayans are mentioned, why is an Aztec calendar shown?

  • @illstateofmind Because they don't know what they are talking about.

  • 4:43 to me al bundy doesnt seem to be trustworthy ;)

  • If you ask me its not 2012 its now! the worst is just yet to come! It will probably peek in 2012 then start to calm down the yrs to follow!

  • its a theory,but seems rather fitting due to the last years natural disasters...

  • wow i should bend facts, throw some ballshit in, make a video and i could make a load of money just like these guys :)

  • "centrepidal force"? What the hell is CENTREPIDAL FORCE???? If you can't pronounce "centrifugal" then how am I supposed to respect your viewpoint? Easy answer: I can't.

  • @AnnBearForFreedom

    Centripetal force is the correct term to describe the acceleration towards a point if you are rotating around in a circle\ellipse. Centrifugal force is technically an illusion. Dont judge people when you know jack shit about physics

  • Wow... I can't believe 333 people clicked the wrong button...

  • Looks more like new-age alarmist claptrap than fundamentalist apolcalypse-mongering. Sounds like photon-belt theory. Maybe the Galactic Federation will arrive to save us from a paper-thin gravitational distortion predicted by the mayan calendar. Yuks for all.  Sell those videos, guys!

  • Fear mongering, that's all this video is about. It has not scientific basis. We are moving away from the galactic plain, not towards it. We are still several hundred years away from that either way. The passing through the galactic plain is NOT a greater gravity plain. It does not even align with any disaster or extinction on Earth.

    All you need in this video is some hippies with signs "The World Is Gonna End...Repent". TOTAL NONSENSE.

  • It's not like we could do anything to prevent any disaster such as this anyway, so why worry? Give me all your worldly possessions. If I'm wrong, you can have them back, but if I'm right, I get to keep them.

  • @UnderManiac what hate, i doubt any hippy has ever reached you. Also your negation of the facts is FALSE. The earth cycles as well as the galactic cycles are not only documented in ancient writings and teachings but also are being borne out in current research. UNfortunately the one thing you are correct about is that the SPIN put on these interpretations by religious zealots, or elitists misinforming & DIS informaing to retain power, are corrupting the truth. religion and politics hide truth.

  • Wow, and I thought Monty Python was funny!!!

  • You know it's funny. If the world was supposed to end, don't you think we would kind of have some signs by now?

  • @buxde123 so many are seeing the signs, it is the interpretatiin that has befuddled.

  • this is a great video

  • Just skip to 5:00 to see what he is really "selling" - religious bullshit.

    We have never been through the Glactic Plane whilst humans have been on this planet. So how could historic events from man's past be used to prove this.

    FFS don't send this schiester any of your hard-earned cash.

  • @UrukEngineer whatever concluded opines aside, the fact is all are cyclic. ignore the charlatans but open eyes and mind review earth cycles, as well as galactic cycles, which when upon coincidence (coinciding) may have exponential even cataclysmic results. Look up, look out, look around you...

    & yes spend your hard earned cash in more positive ways = good advice, but bear in mind disinformation, opportunists, or misguidance does not negate fact.

  • Bollocks:

    1 The Solar System takes about 225-250 million years to orbit the galaxy.

    2 In that time it oscillates up/down aprox 2.7 times

    3 This means that the Solar System passes through the Galactic Plane around each 40-46 Million Years

    4 We are currently 16-98 Light Years away from the plane and are moving at about 220 kps. That means we have between 13,000 and 83,000 years to go.

    AND, recent research shows that Global Mass Extinctions DO NOT match passages through the Galactic Plane.

  • @UrukEngineer Clarify to a 16 year old mind? :)

  • @UrukEngineer Phew.

  • I hope i die before this shit happens.

  • @cobolt13 I hope you do too. Just kidding. Nothing will happen. This is just fear mongering. The earth's magnetic field cannot change that quickly. We are in no danger of a disaster in 2012, or anything close to that date. I wish I could find these people and smack them hard across the head and tell them to smarten up. Stop telling lies. None of this has any basis in fact or science. You can do the research yourself. Nothing to fear.

  • Secrets of Alchemy doc beat ya to this like 10 years ago.

  • lol 2008-2015. i think we could see it properly by noe

  • “I can’t believe they’ve actually done it. Not long left. They were warned, but they just had to keep pushing the boundaries of science. The noise. I can’t take the noise anymore. And the light, dear God! The universe is slowly unraveling around us. I’m not going to wait for death. I have a pistol in the attic.”

    July 6, 2027 the end.

  • @zombierehab Oh, not another doomsday prediction. Can't you guys quit with that already? It has been predicted hundreds of times and never has it happened. It's not going to happen. Stop living in fear and really stop spreading the fear.

  • This opened up like it's scientific fact with it's cool sounding narrator. Then it started stinking of bullshit

  • im afriad

  • The Earth's magnetic north pole is shifting toward Russia at a rate of 40 miles per year. i coped this off you yahoo ( i did not make this up it was on yahoo )

  • I remember when the Hindu's thought 1962 was the end. Grandma told me the story of how they thought Halley's comet was the end. Nothing is going to happen. First everybody said pole shift in 2000 because Nostradamus and Edgar Cayce said so in every supermarket tabloid. Then they starting promoting 2012. I am just waiting to see what the next date for doomsday will be after this passes. They have to keep up the drama, it sells books, papers and radio shows, and movies.

  • So now I get a good laugh in 2012 and 2015...

  • Watch Greg Braden on fractal time!

  • Science and the Bible don't really have all that much in common unless one is a member of a fundamentalist cult.. anythiing to sell a video and scare people into joining a fundy cult. The mention of the Tribulaltion from the Book of Revelation is a dead give-away.

    Revelation, sane theologians hold, refers to the late 1st century/early 2md century CE.

    BTW, does anyone remember Y2K now? All those planes that didn't fall outof the sky and the other disasters we were supposed to encounter?

  • Is this scientific? What is the estimated strength of the galactic plane? How often has it occurred? Why can't the "exact year" be determined? It should be measurable...so why do you need computer models? How do you know that this will cause wold wide devastation? If all this is so mysterious and unmeasurable then how do you know that this will occur form 2008 to 2015 then? I conclude this is completely unscientific. It takes a little bit of knowledge...and blows it up into a fantasy. Sorry.

  • Watch the weather world wide because it is being manipulated.

  • Well when 2015 has come and gone I hope the bloke in this video will be as quick to do a video about why you shouldnt listen to scare mongers.

  • watch the weather world wide.

    records are being broken..

  • @954blade02 yeah... that would be polution and global warming.

  • @somthingrandom208 ,

    Sorry History say's not.

    How long have carbon engines been around.? such a short time in time itself.

    Plus the History of earths change. recorded before cars.(we heat up and cool down)

    Did you know that all of the planets are warming up (look into it) oh and they have no cars. Did you hear the ozone's coming back.

  • Observation: It amazes me that when someone wants to extract eschatological bits and pieces from any book of the Bible, especially the book of Revelation, that the Bible suddenly has relevance. How come that same relevance does not apply to John 14:6? 

  • Only the statement of the gravity field of our galaxy is not correct.

  • We have to panic and give up all our rights while we still can!! Oh LORD!! *flops on ground and foams at mouth* ..But truly we should prepare.

  • Will I have time to order out pizza?

  • We are in the 2012 season. we cannot go by our calenders, everyone has a different opinion on what will happen. what does it matter u still have to live until it happens and we will see together.

  • this will be interesting...

  • HEY IT DIDDENT END AND WE LEARND SOMETHING SO YAY just be happy now that we dont have something to worry about

  • The galactic plane is nothing other than the simple concept of equilibrium. It's 2d physics in a 3d world.

  • holy bible is a lie

  • Dooms sinarios have happened in the past and will happen again sometime in the future, so the suggestion that there is a dooms day sinario just around the corner should not be dissmissed as been pure science fiction.

  • Bigfoot is real, and he is next up on the evolutionary time line! He is in the on-deck circle...He has the heavy coat to get through the coming Ice Age, he is highly intellegent, and he doesnt carry a gun!

  • wow hell bound suprise suprise

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  • Some of you guys may be looking at this the wrong way; God is often called "the Lord of Hosts", this refers to the reality that anything in nature CAN be controlled by Him to accomplish certain ends!!

    I protest to you this is why history and the bible speaks of these things!!

    Just imagine if u will, that God did use the Santirini volcanic explosion to bring about what happened in Egypt with Moses, this would not be out of place with calling Him the Lord of Hosts!! Believe what u will!!!!!!

    R2

  • As for the Dark Rifts, it's not surprising that the Mayans have records of it. It's pretty damned hard to miss when it is a huge collection of non-luminous molecular dust cloud that is b/w our solar system and the Sagittarius arm and stretches all the way from Cygnus constellation through Aquila and all the way to Ophiuchus until it finally broaden out into Sagittarius, effectively obscuring the center of the galaxy.

  • Someone please enlighten me if I made a mistake, but this sounds like a whole load of bogus. Still a cool video though; kudos to the narrator, who is really quite good.

  • Essentially, yes. We passed through the galactic plane roughly ever 20-25 million years and last crossed it 3million years ago, John N. Bahcall and Safi Bahcall (22 August 1985). "The Sun's motion perpendicular to the galactic plane". Nature 316: 706708

  • @burningfury3141 So if it is every 20-25 million years, then why are they showing the ruins of civilizations from a few thousand years ago? A glaring flaw in their argument. LOL

  • Holy fucking shit, Mayans again? First of all from what I understand, the leading and most recognized theory concerning the causation of the Earth's past magnetic polar shifts is that the Sun would sometime blast out enough solar wind, that is magnetic pulses generated as a result of the nuclear fusion that power the sun, to interfere with the electromagnetic fields generated by Earth's magma.

  • Planet x..ha... and whats to become of that? A monster named king ghidorah is gonna destroy the world?? aliens called xilians? lol hahah naw im messin...i know they speak of the planet nibiru on the collision course with earth..

  • aww religion twisting sciecne to make 2012 sound possible

  • that was a waste of time

  • lol cant wait to tell all my friends i told you so when the world doesn't end

  • Why because we don't know maybe someday we will calling someone a nut for trying to understand the afterlife is like calling someone a nut for being human and that is what i call judgemental and the utmost cowardly hipocracy.What are you going to do when a child says he sees shapes in the cloud a nazi like you will medicate him, i bet you refer to people as "an over actice imagination" in a negative connotation people like you are a social disease of the free mind.

  • @DemonsZXZ AGREED!!!!!!!

  • yeah anyone who obviously shares there religion is a nut, and what does that make you? someone shares there beliefs in public and you ad hominem them to make yourself feel better oh I know a nazi! Just get rid of there minds with medications because they hallucinate ideas about religion, then hmm just kill them all, hey buddy go kill yourself if hes such a nut for believing in the afterlife why dont you prove him wrong and kill yourself know it all coward.

  • This vid is full of doom

  • hey u think will all go to hell together or a new world ..............humph

  • every 1 remember deep impact tell me this shit aint true 2012 something going to happen ne 1 hit me up if wanna tlk bout this

  • take it easy, nothing is gonna happen, the scientists are always trying to scare us, theyve told us millions of times that the world if gonna end, but has it? no. so stay calm, no one can know when the world is gonna end

  • I don't believe that Armageddon will be the concern however I do believe its a mistake to dismiss all the theories about future events and blindly fallow the uneducated.

    What do you have to loose by exploring the possibilities and at least build a base knowledge of the science behind the theory's.

    I imagine Sir Isaac Newton was viewed sceptically at first too..

  • yea, im just talking about armaggedon, which i dont think will happen, i never dismissed that disasters can happen ^^

  • Newton put the date at 2060.

  • well... hope y'all have your handbaskets ready cuz looks like we're gonna be takin em for a lil ride! the evidence is pretty overwhelming!

  • The black hole at the centre of our galaxy has an estimated mass of 4 million times that of the sun not a trillion .From that crazy statistic its obv this documentary is bollocks. Stop worrying.

  • I'm gonna Laugh my ass off if nothing happens in 2012, not only because nothing happened but because of those people stupid enough to believe that something would happen.

  • By saying nothing is going to happen in 2012, yoiu are implying that space and time will cease to exist.

  • The thing that's so intriguing to me is the willingness to dismiss information so easily. Maybe its the fear of not being able to control possible events? In any case, I think its simply foolish to ignore the possibility that 2012 holds some surprises for us!

  • theyve told us millions of times that the world will end, no one can predict it

  • Well what if they laugh their ass' off when you get destroyed in 2012 (if and when it happens) wouldn't that be funny?

  • @korkiwi look at what you just wrote dude...using 'if' and then calling people that wonder about 2012 stupid....isn't that you?

  • @korkiwi Erm? I'm guessing you're stupid then.

  • @HarryHunston I'm Stupid because I don't believe that something that can be as cataclysmic to end the world or human race will happen in 2012(which IS BTW only 2 years away) or because I accidentally called the Aztecs stupid? I honestly don't believe that in the short time that two years is, that anything major enough to end the world will spawn and do it's "dirty work" and happen. And if you Still believe that I am wrong feel free to disprove me with evidence and a reason why.

  • @korkiwi You're missing the point. I was pointing something else out. You said 'Those people stupid enough to believe something would happen' . However, by saying 'I'm gunna laugh my ass off IF nothing happens in 2012' implies you believe that something MIGHT happen yourself. Do you see now?

  • @HarryHunston Even if it does imply to YOU that the "if" to YOU means that you think that I think something "may" happen I have 0% belief that something "might" happen.

  • @korkiwi Nothing will happen in 2012, it's ends October 28, 2011.

    See for yourself.

  • @covellz Nope, actually the end happened on August 9th, 2010. We're all dead, but we're just too pigheaded to realize it.

    You are fuc*ing stupid to promote such shit.

  • @UnderManiac Yes, we've got a 4th grader in the room. How's your cataclysm?

  • might be hard, suggest u use a rubber

  • This is exactly what I thought was happening to this planet--ie Katrina and now watch upcoming winters?

  • This is what you get when you have a bunch of scientific creationist making what appear, at first, to be a genuine documentary on Astronomy or Cosmology, but at the end finishes with strong pseudo Christian ideological propaganda that are neither following scientific nor genuine biblical facts. One could even argue that this type of documentary and ideology could lead to sectarian believes that tries to exploit our fears of Judgement day to recruit new believers.

  • Yes, you could easily start a doomsday cult based on this program.

  • I like the way you called them pseudo christians , thats fitting. I find it absurd that scientists have to give everything a physical explanation. When Armageddon comes it wont be because the earth is passing through some gravitational plain it we be a direct result of The Almighty Gods Wrath.. Zephaniah 1: 14-18

  • Its interesting to me that any one would quote the Bible. The Bible states that we may not add or subtract anything out of It however human beings have taken complete books out. Who's to say those books don't contradict Revelations or maybe even expand on it in understandable detail. At least science is tangible and gives a platform based on provable facts!

  • God is the one who took out those books from the bible it was his will.  Why you ask? because those books are not 'God inspired' you think God who is all powerfull and almight would let man controll his book which is his word.. if you do think so then obviously you don't believe in God. so I would not care what you thought of the bible because your comments are meaningless

  • @BattershellPhoto Science IS based in angible facts, that is why it always surprises me when I hear people say the evolution is a "fact" or that God does no exist. where are those tangible facts? To say that life can come from non-living matter flies in the face of known scientific facts. Either way, your beliefs are rely on some faith. At least my belief that God created us is in line with known, provable science, that is, that life comes from life.

  • @TheMTheorist - According to intelligent truthful scientists, earth is fine! It will be here for a few thousand years. Yet a little digging shows that life will not be here over 1000/1500 years from now. Why? Because those same insane lying twits screwed up earths protective mechanism by excessive nuclear testing. Dont be narrow minded by defending destroyers of worlds.

  • @TheMTheorist What "pseudo Christian ideological propaganda"? I didn't catch anything of the sort. Of course, I see I am responding to a comment you made a year ago. Given recent events, are you still going to sit there and say what is happening is just "propaganda"? LOL

  • @TheMTheorist i didnt see any religious propaganda.. what exactly are you referring to?

  • @Dustencumbie you didn't hear the refferences to the bible, dead mayan myths/calender? The chinese calender is even older than the mayan... See them paniking (as if age=wisdom)? Only the western world, do we listen to doomsday profets and their "evidence" from ancient people so knowledgeable and advanced, they died out by themselves.

    21'st december, I'll enjoy a traincart free of all loons (at home, hiding under their bed) as I go visit my family for X-mas.

    @korkiwi It's not "if" but "when".

  • from the video: "all galaxies are flat and circular"

    really? all? since when?

  • wow this will destroy the global warming myth.

  • I was thinking the same think. maybe we should spend all that money waisted on climate change on something more important.

  • Elements of this video are likely true, like the presence of a super massive black hole at the center of each galaxy that spins so fast that the gravitational field is slung out into a disc shape by centrifugal force. The arms that are visible in other galaxies and thus likely our own are evidence for this, and the disc shaped nature of both galaxies and solar systems. BUT... we have no idea and no way to measure how close we are to this plane or the effect it will have when we pass it, if any

  • HAHA that guy sitting at the desk isn't even saying that stuff..they are talking over top of him..he is probably actually saying "shutup you stupid fools wake up idiots".

  • what do they want us to do? fight the galactic plain? send nuclear warheads and blow the galactic plain? if any of this is true then who gives a fuck if we're gonna die anyway...

  • this is why you all work for....few will survive..

  • so we are all going to die when earth passes into the galactic plain , ... FUCK THAT

  • haaa, good movie

  • he sounds like an asshole

  • This is just scientific speculation. There are no scientific facts that this is based upon. Theories that people have no way of proving unless we could observe this "black hole" and see what was really happening.

  • no there really is a galactic plain with immense gravitational pulls which will have some on effect on the planet

  • prove it

  • dude this documentary and others, text books,etc ... basically anythimg about black holes

  • Why would a civilization from 1000's of years ago try to warn us

    They never gave a shit about their own people.

  • Its a myth that they didnt give

  • basically the worst possible scenario, like in the movie Armageddon. f me

  • WHERES THE WARNING.

  • open your eyes brother

  • U can tell these guys are complete idiots none of this will happen!!!!!

  • Were not expected to go through the galatc rift for another 300 million years -_-

  • there's a difference between the rift and the galactic plane. They got their terminology mixed up.

  • Your comment reminded me of something. I haven't even watched this vid yet but I have a question about another vid. Debunking 2012, which pretty convincingly showed their is no alignment at least not for, like another commenter wrote, 300 million years (if I remember correctly). That video has really stumped me because videos from people I KNOW are honest claim there is an alignment. So could you please explain to me what you mean and if you know what I'm talking about?

  • lol well its expected now i guess

    wow whata fucking rip off bullshit

    NO one knows

    this is all bullshit

  • I hope pole shift does happen. The world right now is shit. Maybe it will give humans a better appreciation for life and eachother.

  • utter BOLLOCKS!

  • How could anyone say that all of this "just happened?"

    There is a Creator, and his name is Jesus.

  • Type Aethiest Expierence on youtube and watch his videos. Will prove you wrong.

  • How would civilisations years ago know if the disasters that happened to them were local or worldwide?

    Its only been a few hundred years since people in Europe thought the Earth was flat?

    Maybe these things will happen, but I cant see how some head shrinkers from ancient times can forsee future events.

  • u not dumb do some research by yourself and you may see...

  • good point on the worldwide or local aspect, but for all we know, they had comunnication worldwide, not just that if u look at all the civilzations that they are studing, they are from all over the world, which would suggest it was global, and about head shrinkers, one day the same might be said about is, but it will read like this, Maybe these things will happen, but I cant see how people who believed in a GOD from ancient times can forsee future events.

  • Just one of Many counter-points on this video -- Earth's magnetic pole shifts are Not cyclical in ANY sense of the word, they are completely unpredictable. The last pole shift happened over 730,000 years ago (also 870,000 and 950,000 years ago).

    I don't think that I have to stress the point too much, but the reference to the bible further shows how irrationally unscientific that this video really is. I'm just surprised that it didn't mention the "12th Planet!". . .

  • He's not talking about magnetic shifts, he's talking about physical, geographical shifts. Hapgood studied the magnetic particals in rocks and determined that there have been multiple shifts over the course of tens of thousands of years. The north pole was once in Siberia, Hudson Bay, and Alaska, to name a few. There have been no "ice ages", but simply a changing Arctic and Antarctic circle, which causes the boundaries of glaciers to change. North Africa was once lush and green until a shift.

  • have you seen the whole episode?

  • well, whatever happens just enjoy your life. Have sex, drink and party AAAALLLL you want until the 7 year pain suffering or whatever that is

  • Horizon project + many other 2012 + inconvenient truth + ... = End could be closer than most would think / or is even closer 4 individual, if u think how quickly some1 can die in this times / and still there is a question: Why are we here? What if there is something after death ?

    What if it matters what we do here with the time we have? A lot of God's grace here. Many people won't listen to Christians and their "fairy - tails" of end times, some just might listen to the smartest scientists.

  • This is totally wrong.

  • i made the comment on the basis of this video (just delete 2 dot & put. on the link - that is in poor resolution, but worth 2 see :)

    videodotgoogledotcom/videoplay­?docid=-280609650060040722&ei=­xgf8SbqMDYTe2wKvm-HBDg&q=horiz­on+project

    *** Listen to the first 5 or 7 min. of that one and decide, if u want to see more, elite researchers and best scientists around the world share what they know so far on this topic. Let me know if u still think its totally wrong after u sow 1h one + why?

  • This video is such a load of hogwash ! NO, there is no wafer thin 'gravitational disk' from the central black hole that extends out to us. It's pure fantasy.....you will not find it in any science book. And the Earth takes several million years to pass through the galactic plane....lol....not 7 years !! It is something that occurs every 30 million years...and the last such event was LONG before the Mayans !

  • hogwash...ha

  • when your time has come its come watching a movie isnt going to change that

  • Every time this man speaks

    we ALL learn something.

    goto:

    davidickedotcom

    Project Camelot Interviews David Icke

    make a point of watching the two hour video.

  • It is incredibly important

    in understanding the state-of-unconsciousness

    that we find ourselves in.

  • So what do you do? Put a brown paper bag over your head? Duck and cover?

  • quote much...

  • What does 7 years of great tribulation mean? sorry if i spelt it wrong.

  • I agree with the last comment by tim3687 and would like to add. Why do people react so rude,offended and angry when discussing these topics.

  • Thousands of years of warnings are being released to the public and if they ask for money to send out the info and you don't want to pay than don't.

  • 15 different civilizations over a period of over 5000 years predicted this coming event (Mayans, Hopi Indians, ancient Chinese, etc). surrounding 2012. These civilizations had no connection with each other, yet they predicted the same thing. No one can predict the exact year, but it appears to be coming in the next 3-5 years. This event aligns with the devastation described in the Book of Revelation. This may very well be THE SEVEN YEAR GREAT TRIBULATION.

  • In addition, I should say, these civilizations were tapping into the darkside. The Mayans were Shamans, the Chinese were practicing eastern mysticicm, etc. Satan is going to use these coming events to deceive as many people as possible about matters such as where we came from, is the God of the Bible true, etc. For more information, read the Book of Daniel, Revelation.

  • You know you sound like a bible thumper BUT a bible thumper with a level head. It's funny that so many civilizations over such a vast time period have pointed to one event as the end of days. Is it true? Is it bullshit? Who knows...but its pretty cool to learn about. I for one don't know what to believe, but at least there are others that aren't in the dark about it.

  • btw this was aimed at tim3687's remarks

  • How long will it take to pass through this "Galactic Plane"?

  • it will take 7 years to pass through the galactic plane, well.... 6 really, 2008 - 2015, the 7 years of tribulation, ancient civilizations tryed to warn us of the comeing events but we have ignored the warnings, the poles have already started shifting you can see it everywhere, just look at the earth quake in italy, tsunamis, hurricanes becoming more frequent and intense, this is real!

  • But not all galexys are flat

    soo these guys can fuckoff

  • oh? you know that for a fact? how?

    moron!

  • haha this guys a scientist with a better teliscope than the hubble one nasa use to look at galaxies

  • NASA: NEVER A STRAIGHT ANSWER....funding by the US GOVERNMENT...which by the way have many uderground shelters all ready in place.......hmm...I wonder if Obama's kids will be sent there???????? SEED BANK....3million in place ??????????

  • how do you know that theres already bunkers in place, you got any evidence to support that? and why would they make underground bunkers when theres gona be floods?

  • You are a naive fool. Water tight bunkers 2miles beneath the earth's service will protect the elite from water or anything else. And yes there is lots of proof...strat with (google) the denver airport. Also in Canoga park Ca.under the Topanga plaza mall I was there and have seen it. Now go back to your fairyland world.

  • Listen to this Story of truth and it confirms the same changes in the Sun from Islamic Sources