@lalahobbes I don't think you understand exactly what this video is about, Hobbes. What they're saying isn't discriminatory in the slightest.
"Black bodies float in the sea
We can see but he can't see me
A starlit shroud like the dark to you
Laughter echoes in my private room"
These lines celebrate the power and beauty of a veil. But the song also talks about the beauty of the body itself and how, even those hidden by a black veil, are still able to reach out and touch the world.
@lalahobbes If anything, it's a reaction to the discriminatory laws set in France. They're saying you have the right to your body and should use it how you see fit. Sierra's persona for the song was meant to represent all women and the way they choose to represent themselves.
What would make me not ignorant? Saying Islam is oppressive because some people have construed certain ideas about it in order to oppress women when this has only been done in certain contexts?
I have to go back to writing my doctoral dissertation now. I'll let you know once I'm a professor and sharing all my wonderful ideas about how you need to use EVIDENCE to make an argument and how silly it is to make broad, unsubstantiated statements
@malkooth What force? The Orientalists who want me to believe that Islam hates women because it makes the West seem better and therefore allows Western men to oppress Western women because at least they aren't the Oriental despot?
world if you just decide to insult religion rather than understand it. You'll get absolutely nowhere and all you'll do is spread hate, just like this video would do if Muslims were watching it, which I'm guessing they aren't because I checked and there doesn't appear to have caused a stir
Yes, I am, and I'm a woman who's lived in the U.S., Paris, and Tunis. Wearing the veil is not fanatical- there are many women who wear it as a sign of their religious convictions just as a Jewish man would wear a kippah or a Christian is free to wear a cross. I even know Tunisian women who have been the victims of radical secularism- expelled from universities because they refused to unveil.
And remind me again how we supposed to be supporting women's rights by going topless?
@malkooth Excuse me, but what do you mean by patriarchy? I know many Muslim women who freely elect to wear a veil and they should have a right to do so. This group operates out of Paris and the French government has recently decided that women who veil have no right to an education or to appear in a court of justice, even if a crime's been committed against them. This is a very serious issue and I'm not sure if Cocorosie's being responsible in creating this song or video.
@lalahobbes Besides what self-respecting Arab would agree that God is a woman? You seem to forget that the men of the religions love worshiping other men women are classes as not sacrosanct hence they are owned your whole pathetic premise began on a paltry submissive note to nowhere.
@malkooth Number 1- Arab DOES NOT MEAN MUSLIM. There are plenty of atheist, agnostic, and Christian Arabs out there. Number 2- As for the role of women in Islam, I suggest you check out Fatima Mernissi's works on women in Islam. There were very strong female figures in Islam during the time of the Prophet Muhammad, including his first wife Khedija and his favorite wife Aisha, who actually led an army against Ali when she disagreed with his candidacy for the caliphate.
@malkooth Number 3- You can't just generalize about religions by saying they're all anti-women. Religion is never going to go away so as a feminist the best thing you can do is what Dr. Mernissi has done by demonstrating that misogyny is the result of a selective reading of religious texts or that the latter are a product of the time in which they were initially written. You have to make a valid argument for the rereading of these texts instead of just attacking religion as a whole.
@lalahobbes You are so naive. I can make the argument cause it is so easy to prove. I am talking about the three desert religions nothing else. They are heavily weighted to the deity being male and women are chattel. Whine all you want but it is the case. The crap you are playing with is centuries of calcified garbage on top of masculine control. Grow up.
@malkooth Chalking a problem which exists in almost every culture on the planet, the oppression of women, up to one facet of human life, religion, and refusing to see any nuance in this issue is childish. I'm sorry if some of your Moroccan friends had a more radical form of Islam pushed on them, but many Islamic theologians would argue that that's explicitly against key tenants of the Qu'ran. And good luck trying to make a case for feminism to improve the lives of women in all parts of
@lalahobbes You are really really ignorant. Just keep following a corrupt daddy and you'll stay that way. I said no word about feminism. I said words about oppressive masculinity.
@lalahobbes@malkooth world if you just decide to insult religion rather than understand it. You'll get absolutely nowhere and all you'll do is inseminate hate, just like this video would do if Muslims were watching it, which I'm guessing they aren't because I checked and there doesn't appear to be popular enough to cause a stir.
Like I said grow up. What you are talking about is the equivalent of pop culture for Medieval time.
It is not inseminate it is instigate. FYI. Nice parapraxis.
@malkooth I never said Cocorosie can't make this video- and, yes, I made a word choice error that I DIDN'T post because I caught it. Not allowing women to wear a veil if they go to the doctor or school or to a court is suppressing freedom of expression.
And I have never resorted to name calling, which is the epitome of childishness
Also the correct term for Berber, which is derogatory, is Imazighen. Fraid you need to go back to school. May I suggest NYU? It's where I go and it's great
@lalahobbes Sorry but one of my Moroccan friends had a word in Berber tattooed on his arm. He calls himself Berber not I. I'll defer to his usage in this case he has a masters in linguistics.
@lalahobbes Clearly, they don't have any Muslim fans or they would be flipping sh!@ about her topless in a veil.
Somehow that seems like a thinly veiled reference to what we well know is antagonism towards freedom of artistic expression.
My Moroccan friend who has a masters also speaks seven languages etc etc told me that is the term it wasn't something that I invented to looked for. He is proud of it.
@malkooth Number 4- The question of veiling in France reveals a discriminatory tendency on the part of people who consider themselves French by the "droit du sang" (right of blood) and therefore superior to those who are French by birth. They just don't want to accept the 5 million Muslim people living there and will do anything to take away their rights as citizens. Cocorosie's buying into this discrimination and that's just not cool.
@MrMonkeypooface All my charities belong to you Watching dolphins in your sea The earth is a pretty place to be All my charities belong to thee Black bodies float in the sea We can see but he can't see me A starlit shroud like the dark to you Laughter echoes in my private room Kissing fireflies on a beach How sweet that we can be Everyone has love to give Our hearts will teach us how to live My body wept I feel so free The water softly tickles me My heart is pounding
@MrMonkeypooface The ocean deep enough to lift my veil Crystal light shine down on us God has a voice she speaks through me Every creature longs to be In his arms please carry me I am happy in the light of day My skin glows bright in the sunrays My shadowed world seems so far away My angel taught me not to fear Love is free and everywhere Listen to that special part It will save us, it's the heart God has a voice he speaks through me God has a voice she speaks through me Crystal
Seeing this high it's one of the most amazing things i have ever done.
feliponsh 1 week ago
I think Bianca has a voice.
brassclarinet 3 weeks ago
Also, Malkooth seems a bit of a troll.
saratogarosy 2 months ago
woahh awesome
dildip12 2 months ago
way to go hobbes your officually a douche and made an argument for no good reason on a very pleasant video meant to make people happy way to go.
maluse227 2 months ago
Auto tune & Epilepsy
iammrcancer 3 months ago
is this the official clip?
psychedelikk64 3 months ago
@psychedelikk64 Yep. No wonder they don't have it on the official channel. It would cause epilepsy.
Kyoukichi 1 month ago
so ahead of its time
hellabootsi 3 months ago 4
@hellabootsi YEAH! wait do you mean the video or the song itself?
feztizieo 3 months ago
@hellabootsi i agree. i has a strange hypnotic quality
xarif777 3 months ago
what others songs by them are similar to this one?
like which other songs by them are happy?
My favorite so far!
HimmelaufErden 4 months ago in playlist HimmelaufErden's favorites
@HimmelaufErden
noahs ark, rainbow warriors, japan but I cant remember, don't think they are autotuned like this
wateryone6 4 months ago
@HimmelaufErden well, Happy Eyez is actually happy (kinda obvious xD) :D
NingenExp 2 months ago
Bottom line folks- this video's whack and Cocorosie are contributing to discrimination
lalahobbes 4 months ago
@lalahobbes There you go your threat made real. Why not advocate a fatwa.
malkooth 4 months ago
@malkooth Like the French have ordered a fatwa against freedom of religion? Or a Muslim woman's right to an education, health care, or justice?
lalahobbes 4 months ago
@lalahobbes I don't think you understand exactly what this video is about, Hobbes. What they're saying isn't discriminatory in the slightest.
"Black bodies float in the sea
We can see but he can't see me
A starlit shroud like the dark to you
Laughter echoes in my private room"
These lines celebrate the power and beauty of a veil. But the song also talks about the beauty of the body itself and how, even those hidden by a black veil, are still able to reach out and touch the world.
saratogarosy 2 months ago
@lalahobbes If anything, it's a reaction to the discriminatory laws set in France. They're saying you have the right to your body and should use it how you see fit. Sierra's persona for the song was meant to represent all women and the way they choose to represent themselves.
saratogarosy 2 months ago
What would make me not ignorant? Saying Islam is oppressive because some people have construed certain ideas about it in order to oppress women when this has only been done in certain contexts?
I have to go back to writing my doctoral dissertation now. I'll let you know once I'm a professor and sharing all my wonderful ideas about how you need to use EVIDENCE to make an argument and how silly it is to make broad, unsubstantiated statements
lalahobbes 4 months ago
@lalahobbes Keep mimicking the force that subjugates you.
malkooth 4 months ago
@malkooth What force? The Orientalists who want me to believe that Islam hates women because it makes the West seem better and therefore allows Western men to oppress Western women because at least they aren't the Oriental despot?
lalahobbes 4 months ago
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world if you just decide to insult religion rather than understand it. You'll get absolutely nowhere and all you'll do is spread hate, just like this video would do if Muslims were watching it, which I'm guessing they aren't because I checked and there doesn't appear to have caused a stir
lalahobbes 4 months ago
Yes, I am, and I'm a woman who's lived in the U.S., Paris, and Tunis. Wearing the veil is not fanatical- there are many women who wear it as a sign of their religious convictions just as a Jewish man would wear a kippah or a Christian is free to wear a cross. I even know Tunisian women who have been the victims of radical secularism- expelled from universities because they refused to unveil.
And remind me again how we supposed to be supporting women's rights by going topless?
lalahobbes 4 months ago
Clearly, they don't have any Muslim fans or they would be flipping sh!@ about her topless in a veil.
I've lost all respect for this group.
lalahobbes 4 months ago
@lalahobbes You never had any respect for this group nor much understanding of anything in general. Take your patriarchy to bed.
malkooth 4 months ago
@malkooth Excuse me, but what do you mean by patriarchy? I know many Muslim women who freely elect to wear a veil and they should have a right to do so. This group operates out of Paris and the French government has recently decided that women who veil have no right to an education or to appear in a court of justice, even if a crime's been committed against them. This is a very serious issue and I'm not sure if Cocorosie's being responsible in creating this song or video.
lalahobbes 4 months ago
@lalahobbes Are you a woman? I think Cocorosie are being totally responsible not bending over to worthless religious fanaticism.
malkooth 4 months ago
@lalahobbes Besides what self-respecting Arab would agree that God is a woman? You seem to forget that the men of the religions love worshiping other men women are classes as not sacrosanct hence they are owned your whole pathetic premise began on a paltry submissive note to nowhere.
malkooth 4 months ago
@malkooth Number 1- Arab DOES NOT MEAN MUSLIM. There are plenty of atheist, agnostic, and Christian Arabs out there. Number 2- As for the role of women in Islam, I suggest you check out Fatima Mernissi's works on women in Islam. There were very strong female figures in Islam during the time of the Prophet Muhammad, including his first wife Khedija and his favorite wife Aisha, who actually led an army against Ali when she disagreed with his candidacy for the caliphate.
lalahobbes 4 months ago
@lalahobbes I know all about it I've had several friends who were Muslim. Moroccans who had Islam shoved down their throats. Berbers.
malkooth 4 months ago
@lalahobbes So you admit that there is a sizable population of Arabs who do not respect the veil?
malkooth 4 months ago
@malkooth Number 3- You can't just generalize about religions by saying they're all anti-women. Religion is never going to go away so as a feminist the best thing you can do is what Dr. Mernissi has done by demonstrating that misogyny is the result of a selective reading of religious texts or that the latter are a product of the time in which they were initially written. You have to make a valid argument for the rereading of these texts instead of just attacking religion as a whole.
lalahobbes 4 months ago
@lalahobbes You are so naive. I can make the argument cause it is so easy to prove. I am talking about the three desert religions nothing else. They are heavily weighted to the deity being male and women are chattel. Whine all you want but it is the case. The crap you are playing with is centuries of calcified garbage on top of masculine control. Grow up.
malkooth 4 months ago
@malkooth Chalking a problem which exists in almost every culture on the planet, the oppression of women, up to one facet of human life, religion, and refusing to see any nuance in this issue is childish. I'm sorry if some of your Moroccan friends had a more radical form of Islam pushed on them, but many Islamic theologians would argue that that's explicitly against key tenants of the Qu'ran. And good luck trying to make a case for feminism to improve the lives of women in all parts of
lalahobbes 4 months ago
@lalahobbes You are really really ignorant. Just keep following a corrupt daddy and you'll stay that way. I said no word about feminism. I said words about oppressive masculinity.
malkooth 4 months ago
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lalahobbes 4 months ago
@lalahobbes @malkooth world if you just decide to insult religion rather than understand it. You'll get absolutely nowhere and all you'll do is inseminate hate, just like this video would do if Muslims were watching it, which I'm guessing they aren't because I checked and there doesn't appear to be popular enough to cause a stir.
Like I said grow up. What you are talking about is the equivalent of pop culture for Medieval time.
It is not inseminate it is instigate. FYI. Nice parapraxis.
malkooth 4 months ago
@malkooth I never said Cocorosie can't make this video- and, yes, I made a word choice error that I DIDN'T post because I caught it. Not allowing women to wear a veil if they go to the doctor or school or to a court is suppressing freedom of expression.
And I have never resorted to name calling, which is the epitome of childishness
Also the correct term for Berber, which is derogatory, is Imazighen. Fraid you need to go back to school. May I suggest NYU? It's where I go and it's great
lalahobbes 4 months ago
@lalahobbes Sorry but one of my Moroccan friends had a word in Berber tattooed on his arm. He calls himself Berber not I. I'll defer to his usage in this case he has a masters in linguistics.
malkooth 4 months ago
@lalahobbes You made threats lower than name calling.
malkooth 4 months ago
@malkooth I know many Algerians and Moroccans who refuse to use the term.
When did I threaten anyone?
lalahobbes 4 months ago
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@lalahobbes Clearly, they don't have any Muslim fans or they would be flipping sh!@ about her topless in a veil.
Somehow that seems like a thinly veiled reference to what we well know is antagonism towards freedom of artistic expression.
My Moroccan friend who has a masters also speaks seven languages etc etc told me that is the term it wasn't something that I invented to looked for. He is proud of it.
malkooth 4 months ago
@malkooth Number 4- The question of veiling in France reveals a discriminatory tendency on the part of people who consider themselves French by the "droit du sang" (right of blood) and therefore superior to those who are French by birth. They just don't want to accept the 5 million Muslim people living there and will do anything to take away their rights as citizens. Cocorosie's buying into this discrimination and that's just not cool.
lalahobbes 4 months ago
@lalahobbes Face it you are a thug making threats against freedom of speech.
malkooth 4 months ago
This video is the best
skylightrazors 4 months ago in playlist skylightrazors's favorites
is it weird that this song feels like an orgasm?
Sidagoki 4 months ago
Sierra is God.
SanoKunQC 4 months ago
seizure seizure seizure!!
filthyfeathers 4 months ago
Stopped my homework for 4 mins just to watch this and I totally forgot what I was doing. weird
xXBronzedBalletXx 4 months ago
O_O <3
BoomShakaification 4 months ago
Sierra looks like Ginger (Chicken run).
largounez 5 months ago
i dont beleive in god, but i love her voice, and her methods so much <3
invadermetree 6 months ago
ähhhhh?!
heinaheureka 7 months ago
This is how auto tuned should be used...
so trippy.
i love it.
MsJoeyFOREVER 7 months ago 25
@MsJoeyFOREVER
There really isnt much auto tune
RobotLabRabbit 4 months ago
wow ..
MrMrali9528 8 months ago
The autotune spoils the song. I strongly prefer them in the acoustic sound.
Antkoff 9 months ago
FUCK THIS AUTOTUNED T-PAIN RADIO CORPORATE POP BULLSHIT
pifive5 9 months ago
@pifive5 Number 1 Cocorosie is not corporate pop. number two cocorosie and t-pain should never NEVER be compared.
kutiekelsey79 7 months ago 2
@pifive5 jam
KillThatDogNow 4 months ago
music video is incredibly weird, but this song rocks!
chaya84 11 months ago
Bianca is sooo pretty without all of that makeup on!
QueenSahperia 1 year ago 14
Lovingly sang she sings.
burnygirl 1 year ago
...Woah. Trippy. What are the lyrics? O.o
MrMonkeypooface 1 year ago
TheJeffWard 1 year ago 3
TheJeffWard 1 year ago 4
@MrMonkeypooface light in every creature
Crystal light in every creature
Everyone has love to give
TheJeffWard 1 year ago
HD finally! ;D hi5cousin! AUHAUUHAUHA
thiagonob 2 years ago
this is the best quality I've seen of this video ever! :) Thanks for posting it.
allylovey 2 years ago