Little more.. To make the ball return to the net one has to use the slow short serve, which is not so much used in top level (it's easy). In the slow short serve the bounce in the servers side is closer to net than in this fast short serve. Zhang just miss judged the distance of the serve (by 1-3 cm) and he missed the contact. It's not that heavy side spin but back spin which is heavy. I know this spin though I had chance to return similar in the WC 2006 against WR 51 player from Singapore.
The ball would have gone over the edge without the wind effect. This is so called fast short serve where the bounce on servers side is quite near the baseline of the server and the aim is to make it hard for the opponent to put back short. Heavy spin makes the ball harder to control concerning especially distance and the rapid bounces makes the opponent to hurry to the net and controlling short is more difficult when moving fast (one wants to take the short return just before the highest point).
In my opinion, Zhang jike did not brush it because if he really brushed it then it must goes up and forward (According to Newton's second law and law of Impulsion). But it's not obvious at all. You can say, if you like, that he brushed for a couple of nanoseconds that it does not do anything at all.
Anyway, everyone knows that without Zhang brushing, Ma Lin's back spin serve always go back to the net!
The serve is illegal as Ma failed to remove his free hand from obstructing Zhang's view. But given that most umpires don't call illegal serves at the top level, what else is to be expected? I doubt Zhang would have been as fooled with a clear view of Ma's contact.
It seems to be becoming more popular now to aim to get the serve to bounce (2nd time) PRECISELY on the base-line. Our Head Coach teaches it but I've never seen it as effectively as this. The side-spin is "obvious" (!) but I think the disguise here is that the receiver was expecting the ball to come on to him (a bit longer). The disguise seems to me to be in the slower pace and great length (base line) of the serve.
As hardly any of you have realised what happens on this clip let me explain it!
Zhang Jike reads the service half long and tries to hit the ball. He hits the ball around the same time the ball bounces 2nd time. ZJK hits the ball just barely, enough to stop the ball and create small amount of spin on it. That is why it stops and rolls back on the table.
@oslo99 yes... he touch the ball but the reverse effect does Zhang's hit was really poor, sending the ball direct to the table.... if u dont believe press 7 repeteadly during the video (sorry for my english btw)
Hahaha, I've played this sport for years and done this countless times. The serve had little to no spin on it, Zhang just flat out missed the ball. That's the part I've done so many times XD
I think the reason why Zhang Jike missed it was because Ma Lin's serve looked quite fast at first, perhaps it didn't look like that type of "ghost" serves...
jajaja no la rozo eso esta claro veelo por que ma lin hizo el servicio ultra bajo y con mas de 2 botes es imposible salir deberia haberla pasado no mas
@Wilbeerthoven I think most of the people here agree with me in that he did brush it because its physically impossible for a ball to return like this at this momentum . and if anyone who have played long enough would know that. And when I said "obvious" I meant for people that played or watch tt regularly not some guy who came to this video through the suggestion box from a lady gaga video
@chaosSagent if you see this clip carefully you will see that the moment zhang jike swung his bat the ball stopped in mid air . now don't tell me that a swing like that couldn't have an effect to the ball . and yeah if zhang didn't swing the ball would've hit the table one more time then it would go out
Hm... watch Ma Lin training his serves. He playes backspin serve with side spin very often. With proper placing and power, it stops and curves side just like that at the and of the table. It's possible that the Zhang Jike brushed the ball, or the air from the arm hit affected the ball, but it's not impossible to serve like that trajectory for the ball to go off sideways off at the and of the table...
It hit the bottom of the blade right on the edge of the rubber then went straight down into the table, it even follows the exact same path as his swing afterwards. How more obvious can it be, you might be able to do this shot with a rubber ball on a rubber table but that's not the case, there is no magic table tennis :D
F*ck off did he touch it lol even if he slightly brushed it the spin on the ball would have changed it to much, no way in hell did he touch it, watch the 3rd bounce it doesn't wobble before the bounce but kicks straight after :/ no touch
Some people claim that ZJ brushed the ball because they don't believe the ball would go that way simply by Ma Lin's serve or they never saw this kind of serve. Whether ZJ brushed the ball or not, no one can tell by this video's definition. But I can tell you that it is 100 % possible that ball will go this way by serve without any brush because I saw it by naked eye. I believe someone else must have the same experience.
its obvious that zhang jike brushed the ball , hence , the spin . it was bad timing for zhang jike . I bet he didn't see the clip " ma lin serve " lol
I think ZJK slightly brushed it, OR, the wind he caused with his swing caused the ball to stop, then the spin did the rest, still, awesome serves as usual :D
@khoolguy07 for sure backspin with little sidespin of course, but no topspin at all. Ma lin just makes a move after he hits the ball to make the oponent think its topspin. But for sure this is backspin..
hehe.. nopes.. its more like left hand shakehand side spin.. I tried it out.. he pull the bat slighlty front and then sidewards in swing angle (bat swingin from his chest and away). this would give an extraordinary side spin depending when the ball is touched. If the ball is touched by bat angled n moving towards chest, its a left-to-right side spin.. if its touched when the bat is moving away from chest its a right-to-left side spin..
Wow! What an unbelievable long serve. It has so much side spin on it that it basically spins itself backwards upon hit the other side of the table.
dankaren95 6 days ago
LINSANITY
gouldfish5 1 week ago
Difficulty Level: Asian
messithebest10100 1 week ago
@messithebest10100 No, Difficulty Level: Ma Lin
Im asian and i can't do it
DJsuyat 6 days ago
brilliant
placid21 1 week ago
So you don't have to hit it to the opposite square? Or is that just doubles?
Yerizzo 2 weeks ago
@Yerizzo yes, only in doubles
jorgeoswaldojr 1 week ago
Little more.. To make the ball return to the net one has to use the slow short serve, which is not so much used in top level (it's easy). In the slow short serve the bounce in the servers side is closer to net than in this fast short serve. Zhang just miss judged the distance of the serve (by 1-3 cm) and he missed the contact. It's not that heavy side spin but back spin which is heavy. I know this spin though I had chance to return similar in the WC 2006 against WR 51 player from Singapore.
mjkantol 2 weeks ago
The ball would have gone over the edge without the wind effect. This is so called fast short serve where the bounce on servers side is quite near the baseline of the server and the aim is to make it hard for the opponent to put back short. Heavy spin makes the ball harder to control concerning especially distance and the rapid bounces makes the opponent to hurry to the net and controlling short is more difficult when moving fast (one wants to take the short return just before the highest point).
mjkantol 2 weeks ago
He walks away as though nothing had happened :D :D
Kwonghun 3 weeks ago
I love Ma Lin but, illegal serve...
SuperFloydTT 1 month ago
@SuperFloydTT It's not Illegal, it's above 16 cm in the air, behind the back line of the table and he does not hide the racket nor the ball.
ImpureMint 3 weeks ago
@ImpureMint He hide the ball with his left arm...
SuperFloydTT 3 weeks ago
@SuperFloydTT he did! what a dirty bastard...
SerlingPictures 3 weeks ago
@SuperFloydTT thank you..
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In my opinion, Zhang jike did not brush it because if he really brushed it then it must goes up and forward (According to Newton's second law and law of Impulsion). But it's not obvious at all. You can say, if you like, that he brushed for a couple of nanoseconds that it does not do anything at all.
Anyway, everyone knows that without Zhang brushing, Ma Lin's back spin serve always go back to the net!
TheTTstudio 1 month ago
@TheTTstudio agree with you
RaitGain 4 weeks ago
Ma Lin is clearly the Federer of table tennis
444JMS 1 month ago
how?
nikolamanojlovic446 1 month ago
What a heavy backspin!!!!
Jeteso2009 1 month ago
The serve is illegal as Ma failed to remove his free hand from obstructing Zhang's view. But given that most umpires don't call illegal serves at the top level, what else is to be expected? I doubt Zhang would have been as fooled with a clear view of Ma's contact.
nextlvlng 1 month ago
ma lin is: king kong
jojo97132 1 month ago
It seems to be becoming more popular now to aim to get the serve to bounce (2nd time) PRECISELY on the base-line. Our Head Coach teaches it but I've never seen it as effectively as this. The side-spin is "obvious" (!) but I think the disguise here is that the receiver was expecting the ball to come on to him (a bit longer). The disguise seems to me to be in the slower pace and great length (base line) of the serve.
KAF128 1 month ago
hey guys, guess what..? zhang jike did "brush" the ball ! enough said.
88elbarto88 1 month ago
DRIVE B!!! xDDD
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press 2 for downie face, 8 for fail:P
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yavo25 1 month ago
wtf ma lin using cheat codes
lampnmarco 1 month ago 15
@lampnmarco jajajajaja
MierduskaFuska 1 month ago
@lampnmarco LoL
Igregorio 13 hours ago
It's Ma Lin's ghost service
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I hope the two top-comments are sarcastic. If they are not, please excuse my inability to read sarcasm on the internet...
Hallur91 1 month ago
As hardly any of you have realised what happens on this clip let me explain it!
Zhang Jike reads the service half long and tries to hit the ball. He hits the ball around the same time the ball bounces 2nd time. ZJK hits the ball just barely, enough to stop the ball and create small amount of spin on it. That is why it stops and rolls back on the table.
RKantola 1 month ago
@RKantola totally agreed!
88elbarto88 1 month ago
i think these chinese watch a lot of manga cartoons how to spin the ball!!:)
getfunky79 1 month ago
keep hitting 0:10...
raven321ism 1 month ago
Disc breaks all the way around.
CraigMrScott 2 months ago
the other guy looks so stoned
drummerkareemovic 2 months ago
@drummerkareemovic
well, that's how zhang jike always looks, so, considering that he is #2 in the world, he should keep on doing whatever it is that he is doing.
dfunkt 2 months ago
ghost serve..wish that i can do that..
kandot84 2 months ago
@AndrewkuengTT this is a heavy sidespin
razer10343 2 months ago
ma + lin = legend
ilovefatboys201 2 months ago
Mi picho!
nicoases 2 months ago
Zhang Jike never came into contact with the ball....
oslo99 2 months ago 38
@oslo99 yes he did
ChefVonAllem 1 month ago
@oslo99 yes... he touch the ball but the reverse effect does Zhang's hit was really poor, sending the ball direct to the table.... if u dont believe press 7 repeteadly during the video (sorry for my english btw)
kusanagi69 1 month ago
@oslo99 lie
zebazbh 2 weeks ago
Illegal serve - his arm was used to hide the ball on contact...
MrWazzato 2 months ago
@MrWazzato
It's obviously legal because jike can see the ball.
nintendoqu 2 months ago
Zhang jike barely touch that service
RussellTongJH 2 months ago
OMFG!!!!!!!
TheMilimario 2 months ago
what a ghost serve..
AndrewkuengTT 2 months ago
trolling irl
iAllMightyPS3 2 months ago
ZHANG JIKE WAS SLEEPING, YOU CAN SEE HIS EYES, HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH LOL
GuuhCW 2 months ago 2
gamaei
rongmts 2 months ago
Zhang take drugs right!
kitmo123456789 2 months ago
Hahaha, I've played this sport for years and done this countless times. The serve had little to no spin on it, Zhang just flat out missed the ball. That's the part I've done so many times XD
ThatsH0M0 2 months ago
0:05 drugs? o.O
chuck8285 2 months ago
馬琳あたまおかしいんじゃないかな？
tannsanngyouza 2 months ago
that wasn't the spin, jike just didn't smash the ball right, he just touched it.
meinCtutWe 2 months ago
@meinCtutWe his racket didnt even touch the ball lol. he just completely missed
GhoZtRiDeR21 2 months ago
i mean the player would say: oh shit
nicholastang1217 2 months ago
shit!!
nicholastang1217 2 months ago
Chuck Norris would get this :P LOL
Kwonghun2 2 months ago
OMG! That was simply like magic! That man is amazing.
hkjkdsifu 3 months ago
ma lin? you mean MERLIN! lolololol
louistangmusic 3 months ago 29
I believe it?
MaLOLIPOPson 3 months ago
How can you even return that serve?
quickzilver333 3 months ago
Its crazy how the ball suddenly spins down..
GomoGomoNoRocket 3 months ago
wait a minute, sorry i dont play table tennis, but i thought serving should be cross court? or issit my eyes playing tricks on me?
LePetitGrosse 3 months ago
@LePetitGrosse The serve can go anywhere. Doesn't have to be cross court.
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Perfect service, but Zhang Jike still brushed it...
Hallur91 3 months ago
I think the reason why Zhang Jike missed it was because Ma Lin's serve looked quite fast at first, perhaps it didn't look like that type of "ghost" serves...
F4Justin 3 months ago
wenn ich sonen aufschlag hätte dann wär ich der king...hab ich leider nicht... :D
Greselschueler 3 months ago
Bravo!!!!
michaeldeng1981 3 months ago
jajaja no la rozo eso esta claro veelo por que ma lin hizo el servicio ultra bajo y con mas de 2 botes es imposible salir deberia haberla pasado no mas
d0nflipcith0 3 months ago
Zhanh Jike don't "brushed the ball!! And it's not "obvious", beautiful service anyway!!
Wilbeerthoven 3 months ago 6
@Wilbeerthoven yes, he do.
off course thats a good serve, but zhang jike hit the ball with his racket!
MrSondell99 3 months ago
@Wilbeerthoven I think most of the people here agree with me in that he did brush it because its physically impossible for a ball to return like this at this momentum . and if anyone who have played long enough would know that. And when I said "obvious" I meant for people that played or watch tt regularly not some guy who came to this video through the suggestion box from a lady gaga video
bedroo222222 1 month ago
@bedroo222222 go watch malin serve... the ball does not bounce out the table... im pretty sure that malin can serve that
chaosSagent 1 month ago
@chaosSagent if you see this clip carefully you will see that the moment zhang jike swung his bat the ball stopped in mid air . now don't tell me that a swing like that couldn't have an effect to the ball . and yeah if zhang didn't swing the ball would've hit the table one more time then it would go out
bedroo222222 1 month ago
@bedroo222222
Hm... watch Ma Lin training his serves. He playes backspin serve with side spin very often. With proper placing and power, it stops and curves side just like that at the and of the table. It's possible that the Zhang Jike brushed the ball, or the air from the arm hit affected the ball, but it's not impossible to serve like that trajectory for the ball to go off sideways off at the and of the table...
Viszpi 1 month ago
@Wilbeerthoven its obvious that he brushed the ball
ChefVonAllem 1 month ago 2
@ChefVonAllem After the replay i think he "obviously" did both! ^ _ ^
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Cp9axx 1 month ago
Must have a shit load of backspin in such a way that the ball rebounds very little.
Aaaaarrrrrrggghhh 3 months ago
:p
josuecochi 3 months ago
typical Ma Lin's Ghost Serve
MapleDynasty 3 months ago
OMG! Incredible...
Greetings from Romania.
HackPePe 3 months ago
PERFECT ghost serve
TheSkykidof68 3 months ago
The serve of a god!!!!
leminhphuc10t1 4 months ago
OH MY GOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!
liebestraumer 4 months ago
omg this one is magic believe me:P
ardorius12 4 months ago
It's not Ma Lin who serves, but an ET. :)
HBFrance 4 months ago
well.. Jike did touch the ball but too late.. just brushed it...
khoolguy07 4 months ago
Nice Ghost serve from the master.
brahms008 4 months ago
Waw!!!!!
MrJesseLabadlabad 4 months ago
It hit the bottom of the blade right on the edge of the rubber then went straight down into the table, it even follows the exact same path as his swing afterwards. How more obvious can it be, you might be able to do this shot with a rubber ball on a rubber table but that's not the case, there is no magic table tennis :D
Jasonsadventures 4 months ago
F*ck off did he touch it lol even if he slightly brushed it the spin on the ball would have changed it to much, no way in hell did he touch it, watch the 3rd bounce it doesn't wobble before the bounce but kicks straight after :/ no touch
rsrichardson1994 4 months ago 2
Some people claim that ZJ brushed the ball because they don't believe the ball would go that way simply by Ma Lin's serve or they never saw this kind of serve. Whether ZJ brushed the ball or not, no one can tell by this video's definition. But I can tell you that it is 100 % possible that ball will go this way by serve without any brush because I saw it by naked eye. I believe someone else must have the same experience.
timothyjesus 5 months ago 5
@timothyjesus It's true. Really strong under spin can do magical stuff.
spifo 4 months ago
so sao！zan！
cwang1985 5 months ago
its obvious that zhang jike brushed the ball , hence , the spin . it was bad timing for zhang jike . I bet he didn't see the clip " ma lin serve " lol
bedroo222222 5 months ago 44
@bedroo222222
ZJK brushed the ball
koletis20 5 months ago
@bedroo222222
youtube: ma lin serve in detail
ABkabbani 3 months ago
@bedroo222222 zhang jike fans ? lol...
cxxdx1 2 months ago
@bedroo222222 He never contacted the ball. The ball made its 2nd bounce before zhang jike even made his swing.
Stwrongtone 1 month ago
@bedroo222222 he never touched the ball maybe the wind from the paddle but not the paddle itself
xBSxREEP3R 1 month ago
@bedroo222222 he didnt brush the ball , if he did it we go to the net . its obvious he didnt even touch it ...bad timing for zhang jike
gdounito 1 month ago
hm yes its good but all he has done is that he has made a short serve with great side-spin.
alead1 5 months ago
I think ZJK slightly brushed it, OR, the wind he caused with his swing caused the ball to stop, then the spin did the rest, still, awesome serves as usual :D
DKPOWA 5 months ago
@DKPOWA I don't think ZJK touched it at all... He was way off on that one. Should of pushed it LOL
ZingyDNA 5 months ago
@DKPOWA idd, he brushed it a little, tbh nothing special about that serve beside the heavy backspin.
tshirttime84 5 months ago
@tshirttime84
no backspin... side topspin more towards right of Ma Lin.. watch the ball pick speed after 1st and 2nd bounce..
khoolguy07 4 months ago
@khoolguy07 for sure backspin with little sidespin of course, but no topspin at all. Ma lin just makes a move after he hits the ball to make the oponent think its topspin. But for sure this is backspin..
tshirttime84 4 months ago
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@tshirttime84
hehe.. nopes.. its more like left hand shakehand side spin.. I tried it out.. he pull the bat slighlty front and then sidewards in swing angle (bat swingin from his chest and away). this would give an extraordinary side spin depending when the ball is touched. If the ball is touched by bat angled n moving towards chest, its a left-to-right side spin.. if its touched when the bat is moving away from chest its a right-to-left side spin..
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@tshirttime84
Timo boll does the same with his left serve but the spin is very very less since the ball is not thrown so high. you can try is out too :d
khoolguy07 4 months ago
きもっw
1222nko 5 months ago
the spin is so crazy!!
knobuji 5 months ago
That was friggin awesome!!
QuantumStates 5 months ago
LOLOLOL OMG its like magic
ma lin = master
17teacmrocks 5 months ago 44
kkkkkkkk
yes
TTAlphaRSM 5 months ago 8
@17teacmrocks ...... or not.....
omido111 2 months ago
the ball got ABS ( auto braking system) LOL! amazing serve!
JaxAkaJT 5 months ago