Gaza resident reflects on Bush's visit - 10 Jan 08

[julianlev]

A man like George Bush is not worthy to wipe the dust from the Gazan streets

How wrong is the world when a man sch as this can hold such power?

[internetshock]

Am sorry madam bush doesn't care about you at all nor does he care about any human that walks on this planet except his family and friends. And he will not watch this video either.

My deepest Apologize. But what does that help nothing, have no fear madam, soon just pray to god maybe something right will happen. Maybe we will all unite together and move on from this Dark of mankind.

(Darkest era of mankind 1912-present day its not over yet. 10, 15,30 it will come to an end.

[omegapointil]

Israel has killed 5 times as many Palestinians as Palestinians have Israelis.

Israel throws families out of their homes so

these bearded religious zealots can have their land by way of settlements and its happening every day. The Talmud states that all non-Jewish peoples are cattle and abusing them is tantamount to abusing cattle. For truth beyond what American media will air visit the website IfAmericansonlyknew. If you don't believe that then go bob at a wall somewhere moron.

[wahidh]

I bet you they don't show these pictures anywhere in the news.

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[Sabei0990]

I love how even Gazans know Bush's family. Most Americans dont even know his wifes name lol

[pisadinho]

this piece of news is Bullshit. Why is moahmed father in prison ? Mike Hanna only does tell us he was in prison because he resisted the ocupation but HE DOES NOT tell us what mohamed did. many pali resisted the ocupation blowing up israeli children. that might well be the case of mohamed.unless we know what mohamed did we cannot judge if his emprisionement was right or wrong

[ItsStillBill]

seriously, what the hell do these people expect? should Israel say, "OK, you carried out military attacks against us, but your daughter's getting married, so you're free." This is just so damn stupid it's beyond words. The Palestinians call for the death of the Zionist regime, and then complain that Israel isn't nice to them. They can't have it both ways!

[Guevara1961]

this is worst than genocide, its barberian, israili r only a bunch of nazis, killers, land thieves,after all they are settlers and occupiers, shame on them

[jklasdfjdfksl]

bush said that palestinians should give up their legal rights to a state with the pre 1967 borders and their legal right of return, and that is the only way a peace can be started. his message is clear, US/israel will be in control and you will only have as much peace and independence as we are willing to give you. US actions have shown this also, they will not deal with any political party that does not automatically submit to their will, regardless of if they want peace, like hamas.

[liorshelly]

Hamas Declare every day that its main purpose is to destroy the state of Israel and to establish a Muslim State in its territory.What peace are you talking about??!!

In 1948, after WW2, ~900,000 Arabs left/ran away/were forced to leave the land called "Palestine" and ~900,000 Jewish people moved to Israel from the Arab countries.

Two state is the only solution that we can have here and sons and daughters if the people that left on 1948 should live in Palestine and not in Israel.

[jklasdfjdfksl]

bush's reason for not pressuring the israelis is that a lasting peace must come from only israel and palestine. if he truly believed that then the US position should not be the military/diplomatic support of israel. this direct US participation in the occupation has intervened and prevented peace while encouraging israeli expansion; in exhchange for israel supporting US goals in the region to dominate.

[jklasdfjdfksl]

like anapolis, camp david, etc. these are just photo ops empty of substance. bush says the settlements should go but applies no pressure for israel to stop building them. the US does not even stop providing the support to israels military that makes the continued occupation possible! if bush was serious about peace, a joke to anyone that knows who bush is, he would at least withdraw the support.

[bluetuber80]

This attempts to show the lack of real progress being made during the last ten years. Bush's more aggressive stance should be maintained by putting pressure on Israel, but somehow I feel it's just theatricals to accomplish a presidential ambition rather than being a sincere desire for resolution of the conflict to impact the region.

[liorshelly]

Isreal left Gaza two years ago. No soldiers and no settlers!!!!!!!!!

The people living in Gaza instead of making Gaza into Singapore... they elected the Hamas and made it into Afganistan...

and They still dare to blame the ocupation..

[romanerdstrom]

Fatah wasn't really ideal either. It's time to bring in a third party.

[crazycatfguy]

I suspect that because I am disabled and have had 8 years with nothing to do but internet research I am too informed to succumb to your propaganda. Please waste someone else's time that you might have a chance of conning.

[liorshelly]

I'm sorry to hear about your injury and you hope you will recover. I hope it is not a head injury.

Israel is not in Gaza today if you like it or not. Gaza was a test for most israelis to see what happened when we give the Palestinians the territory back. Instead of making it into a paradise, they elected the Hamas which is vowe to the destruction of Israel, brought in El-Kaida, and now fathach el islam.. and they fire 20 rockets each day on israeli cities, on innocent women and children!!!

[crazycatfguy]

Please review the post I just posted it is my final word.

[liorshelly]

You are more then welcoem to visit Israel and to see how wrongyou are . Reading all of this over the electronic media gives you biased information.

I have one task for you that you to do that can help the arabs living in Egypt, Jorjan and other places: 30% of them don't know how to read and write!!!! 50% of which are woman...

This is of course because of Ocupation..

[crazycatfguy]

What will visiting Israel do? I can go to NKusa dot org and find out what people of the jewish religion think about zionism. Spread your propaganda somewhere else. I am not falling for it.

[liorshelly]

NETUREI KARTA are a minority inside a minority among the Jewish people. It is that i will say that all American are the Ku Klux Klan. My replies to you are my personal point of view. because that i live in israel and visited the occupied territories, i have much better understanding then you about this conflict. It has nothing to-do with propaganda.

[lifime]

Americans forgot how to be Humans.

[sploogersmoof]

you base this assumption that i forgot to be human on what grounds? what do you want me to do? go to the white house and scream "bush is a nazi!"? because in the long run that wont do anything.

[wahidh]

Are you saying that to me

[sploogersmoof]

no, that was somebody else.

[wahidh]

OK dude

[rfry919]

i feel sympathetic for this family, but to be upset at Israel is a quick conclusion as the facts are not all there. Why has the man been in prison 19 years? We dont know, the story never said. If Israel was correct and this man committed a crime, than 19 years constitutes a very serious violation of law. I just wish the story had given more facts...

[crazycatfguy]

It was not explained in the video so we can only assume. Israel has a history of putting Palestinians in prison on flimsy evidence. Often times these people have been tortured so badly that if released it creates PR problems for them.

[occamselectricrazor]

people who live in palestine are willing tools of arabs who cannot accept the fact that one sixth of one percent of the middle east is owned by israel

[lizardvalis]

The people who live in Palestine have been living there for generations. There were there even in the times of 'Unar ibn Khaththab!

[happyt1meharry]

Living under occupation is a terrible thing. Just ask any survivor of the nazi holocaust. It is clear that ordinary Israeli's, and US citizens, have no idea what is actually going on there. And anyone who dares to acknowledge the suffering of the Palestinians, is quickly attacked. Of all the cultures, one would never think that Israeli's, would subject other humans, to such degradation.

[liorshelly]

Isreal left Gaza two years ago. No soldiers and no settlers!

The people living in Gaza instead of making Gaza into Singapore... they elected the hamas and made it into Afganistan...

and They still dare to blame the ocupation..

[lizardvalis]

Of course they do. You should know the effect the siege has on everyday Palestinian.

[sploogersmoof]

yes, but thats not genocide. genocide is the purposefull elimination of a certain group of people. they arent doing that, just taking there land. civillian casualties are horrible, but you have to remember that this is a warzone.

[lizardvalis]

Not all genocide involve gracious amount of violence. Some require you to strangle people with cotton.

[wahidh]

Slowly but surely they are getting rid of the Palestinians but no one is counting the bodies so no one will say if is genocide or not. I think it is genocide.

[sploogersmoof]

civillian casualties are for the most part non-intentional. if somebody gets in the way they are going to get shot. this is the sad truth about war, armies dont care about civillians. if you want genocide, look at darfur. there is a very clear difference between that and whats happining in the palastinian territorys.

[prkjs08]

Except that in Gaza, the most crowded place on earth, THERE IS NOWHERE FOR CIVILIANS TO GO. Israel has shown they have no compunctions even about bombing UN schools. There have also been reports of Israeli soldiers moving whole Palestinian families into "safehouses", only to have those houses bombed hours or sometimes minutes later. And keep in mind that Israel has some of the most sophisticated technology on earth, including precision guided missiles. There's nothing "accidental" about this.

[sploogersmoof]

first of all, who cares what the country is called? second of all, people should stop dwelling on the past. whatever isreal or the palastinians did its irrelevant. SORT TODAYS SHIT OUT! who cares what happened 50 years ago?

[andymaque]

what is this US/Israel thing about?

They have nuclear weapons while not in the proliferation treaty, they annexe anywhere they like, bomb whoever and whatever.

I think bush needs a history and geography lesson.

Also what a mistake flying into israel rather then a neutral country and mentioning terrorism as he turned to the palestinian leader. Everything Bush said was iffy.

[sploogersmoof]

bush has actually called isreali settlements in gaza and the west bank illegal by international law and has repeatadly called for isreal to leave the areas. the man may be an idiot, but he is right on that fact.

[crazycatfguy]

The US can say whatever they want but as long as they use their veto power in the UN to protect Israel it is just words.

[jbrelin]

That is right. It is a procrastination mechanism. Say what the people want to hear and that gets them off your back. Meanwhile, do what you really want to do. Sound's cynical, I know.

[sploogersmoof]

isreal is a u.n recognized state. plain and simple, its here to stay. the issue is whats happining in the palastinian territories, and currently its not just words and they are trying to sort it out. of course, it wont most likly do anything, but its an effort. saying isreal isnt a nation isnt helping, its making it worse. in reality, it is a nation, regardless of what your opinions are.

[crazycatfguy]

I realize that Israel is a UN recognized state but since the UN recognized them they have ignored more UN resolutions than all other countries combined. They are engaging in a ethnic cleansing campaign that would make Hitler proud and since not even God supported them when they are wrong I am not going to support them.

[liorshelly]

There is no ethnic cleasing campaign been done in the occupied palestian cities.

and it has nothing to do with Hitler!

[crazycatfguy]

OH FUCKING PLEASE. Tell that to someone without access to the internet.

[liorshelly]

I was there and I'm telling you that!!

Whatever you see and hear in the Arab Media and the BBC is not always accurate and in most cases is biased.

try to be an objective journalist reporting from the arab countries and from Gaza... if you say and show something that they don't like, you simply will not exist!!!!!

[crazycatfguy]

I just happen to be subscribed to several media services besides and the bbc is not one of them. Even Israeli news. YOU CAN'T invade a country to steal their land and then claim that resistance equals terrorism.

[liorshelly]

Israel left Gaza two years ago. No soldiers and no settlers!!!!!!!!!

The people living in Gaza instead of making Gaza into Singapore... they elected the Hamas and made it into Afghanistan...

Since israel left Gaza, more then 3000 missiles were fired into Israeli cities around Gaza. This is pure terrorism and has nothing to do with resistance.

[crazycatfguy]

America believes in democracy until someone elects a democratically elected government that we don't like.

[liorshelly]

A Democratic elected government can't be accepted if its main target is to destroy another country!!!

Do you expect the US and other countries to support such a government just because it was elected democratically ???

[crazycatfguy]

I am tired. I may sleep for 12 hours. Make a postit note for whoever will occupy your cubical in the public relations firm you work for to note that.

[liorshelly]

:) I don't work for a public relations firm..

I take your comment as a compliment!!

It was nice talking with you.

good night and enjoy the weekend.

[crazycatfguy]

Look, listen to me very carefully. I have had 16 hours a day to research for 8 years. You do not have a chance in hell of getting me to believe your nonsense because I know better. Find another video and propagandize people who don't know any better.

[jklasdfjdfksl]

there has been ethnic expulsion, war aggression, and terrorism against palestinians in all of modern day israel and they are continuing to do that outside of israel's legal borders. when israel recognizes that its state was founded on the crushed dreams and lives of others, made possible by western european and now US money and support, a great step towards peace will be done.

[jklasdfjdfksl]

if israel wants acceptance in the middle east, they can achieve it easily by facing up to their past and seeking reconciliation. this goes for all sides, unfortunately US/israel have blocked settlement and continue to use their superior military force(gifted by the US in exchange for israeli independence) and US diplomatic support to replace peace with settlements, expansion, and dangerous regional aggression and threats.

[sploogersmoof]

ethnic cleansing? what about the muslims living in isreali territorys? your typical isreali isnt running around killing muslims, in fact, its the complete opposite. are they land grabbing? of course, but saying genocide is exagerating. a laser guided missle at a millitants house isnt genocide. even if it is highly irresponsable in such a highly crowded area.

[crazycatfguy]

I don't recall using the word genocide. Bulldozing peoples homes and making it impossible for them to move freely and get work and health care is designed to do what if not make them leave and become refugees?

[sploogersmoof]

you said ethnic cleansing. they arent killing them, they are land grabbing though. that much is true.

[wahidh]

Don't know what news your watching but they are killing them every day.

[sploogersmoof]

yes, but they arent putting them on trains and shipping them to concentration camps. theres a difference between genocide and war. trying to kill people firing rockets into your cities isnt genocide.

[wahidh]

Agree with you. But the media does not show you all the story. They only tell you what they want you to hear. Believe me these Zionists are crazy. I have nothing against Jews but Zionism.

[prkjs08]

Genocide is simply any actions that have the elimination of an entire ethnic group. Whether you cart people off to be burned or bomb them to death, genocide is genocide. The Israeli genocide of Palestinians is slower and less systematic than the Nazi genocide of the Jews, but it is no less deliberate or calculated.

[sploogersmoof]

if thats the case then the Palestinians are committing genocide also..

lets be honest here, neither of these group of people will rest until the other is dead. taking sides in the conflict is stupid because they are both wrong and BOTH created the hell they are currently living in.

[prkjs08]

That's bullshit. Even if some Palestinians wish to commit genocide, they do not have the means to do so. The Israelis do, and are carrying it out.

You are trying to equate two opponents that are entirely unequal in terms of power. This is clouding the central issue. Israel is a colonialist power, and the Palestinians are resisting their occupier, just as the Algerians resisted the French, the South Africans resisted the Afrikaners, the Indians the British, etc. There is no equivalence here.

[sploogersmoof]

im not talking about power, im talking about ideology. they are two sides of the same coin. and palastine was never an independent country either, before it was called isreal it was a British mandate. one wich the British government declared a "homeland for the jewish people.

this shit wouldn't be happening if both sides would have agreed to the partition agreement, instead they chose the rout of greed and i no longer care.

[prkjs08]

Ideologically speaking, an oppressed people always have the right to resist their oppressors. So clearly, both sides are not equal ethically.

The fact that Palestine has been under the control of a colonial power for most of modern history does not justify it's continued occupation, either.

That's great that you no longer care, but I and the rest of the world will continue to care so long as there is injustice being inflicted upon Palestinians and other oppressed peoples around the world.

[lizardvalis]

You are forgetting the 14000 Palestinian who were evicted from Majdal when they were building the Jewish city of Ashkelon or the Nakba of 1948.

[lizardvalis]

UN recognize state? As far as I know only through black mail did the UN recognize Israel.

[liorshelly]

You need to learn history before putting your comments. what blackmail do you refer to?

[sembradora01]

great

[sklief]

Lo siento, PERO your understanding of history is a little flawed. I suggest you expand your horizon beyond the Old Testament. You should apply for an immediate conversion so that you too can be among "the chosen".

What've you got against turning USian deserts into orange groves as apposed to the Israeli approach of simply stealing the orange groves?

I suggest we're all God's children - but, if they were chosen, you and I must have been rejects! - verdad?

[sklief]

When the zionists first pushed the idea of a jewish state, back in the late 1800s and early 1900's, there was some suggestion that it might be created in the deserts of the USA. It is so unfortunate that this didn't happen - just think, if it had they could have turned the deserts into orange groves, just as they did in Palestine. Or could they!

[sembradora01]

Never, Israel was created by God, first than Palestine. And it was created thousands of years ago in the place were it is right know. Never US had the intention to create a Israel state in their territory, that is a stupid idea that we don't know were it came from. Only from arabs minds.

[sgelles]

you should ask your god for some spelling and grammar instruction!

[sploogersmoof]

the u.s wasnt as involved in the creation as many think. that much is true. as for being created by god, grow up. palastine was a british mandate and isreal was conquered from the cannanites, or something like that. either way its an outdated idea and you should get with the times. or maybe we should just keep killing each other?

[bluetuber80]

sploogersmoof, I am with sembradora on this one. But what about the Babylonians, I'm sure they would like to have Baghdad back after all these years. I also say that the Tunisian governement should give their land back to the Carthaginians, don't you have a heart? /end sarcasm

[sploogersmoof]

i dont care what the country is called, first of all. in the long run jews have always been there, as well as muslims. actually, if you go ack far enough the palastinians were the jews. ive seen plenty of palastinians who are still jews. but beside the point, isreal is there to say. the fighting will solve nothing.

[crazycatfguy]

Actually that is a fact that you can find with google. If Israel can claim territory that they abandoned centuries ago I wonder why the US went to war against Iraq when they tried to take back Kuwait which was stolen from them in 1922 bu the British?

[sgelles]

that "orange grove" story is such a lie. the zionists bulldozed palestinian centuries-old olive groves to make way for their settlements. in fact every city and settlement in "israel" and the occupied territories is built on the ruins of ancient palestinian villages that the zionists destroyed.

[sklief]

This, and the Aljazeera item on Bush's visit to Palestine and its contrast with the realities faced by Palestinians at Israeli checkpoints in their own land, should be required viewing by all westerners supporting Israel

[colmmernagh]

The only solution for Palestinian welfare is the disappearance of the racist Israeli regime.

Hopefully they go the same way as South Africa.

[ZeroCoolCirca1982]

Yea because South Africa is doing well now isnt it?

[quimetsugranes]

Well said. Racism should be TOALLY eliminated!

Israelis ARE NOT the only ones who live in the region, but Palestinians (vast majority) as well of other inmigrants. It is not about religion but ethnicity. Let peace be and wishfully a government who give total equality for all!