Drum Lesson Dave Weckl - A Natural Evolution (part 1)

[SilverFoo79]

11 people are metal drummers and have carpel tunnel....

[Jimmiedrums1]

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[loginman4]

voice crack at 5:08 lol sorry but i had to :)

[koba55ziemniak]

wykurwiste



[dieguitoarg123]

after and before of this video

[rjtal29]

so nice



[teamgod]

Damn, I've been using the other technique for quite some time. I'll have to try out this triangle style grip and see how it goes. Great video though, thanks for posting

[infinitedestroyer902]

Science and math incorporated into great technique of drumming...

Weckl is the bomb man! Amazing teacher!

[drumsallout]

The only metal drummer i respect is blake richardson from between the buried and me, he can play jazz and everything. All jazz drummers own metal/hardcore drummers. This is coming from a kid who listens to heavy music

[nmorelli4592]

@drumsallout you beat me to it, blake richardson is god of prog metal. But noone touches dave weckl and vinnie coliauta in my opinion

[drumsallout]

@nmorelli4592 Yea I agree, but blake is one of the only prog drummers that is worthy of respect up with the greats. I like Benny Greb, Jojo mayer, tony royster jr, dennis chambers

[mrpooky1989]

@drumsallout I AGREE

[SouthSho450]

@drumsallout

Indeed ....DUH !

[shadowlorde]

whats with all the metal hate goin on? i'm a metal drummer and i use a lot of double strokes, paradiddles, short rolls, rebound, ... I grip my sticks like explained in this vid (i bought the dvd shortly after it was released) .. not ALL metal drummers are just blasting bashers .. there are many with great technique .. and many without it ... same as any other genre

[malanmalan]

well done, dave

[ElBlashyrkh]

I think you have to be careful overall with your wrists and arms. This technique makes it really easy to play healthy and fast at the same time. I love Moeller technique on the Hats. Its Incredible how easy you can get wonderful accents out of them. Also i want to say i´m a big Metal Fan too. But most of us Metal Guys have to come over the old fashioned (for example) Ulrich Hi-Hat Puncher Style. Nothing against that but its not really the best way for your nerves and muscles in the arm.

[Manzo27]

such a good video..

[DeathmetalAxis]

@samm1809 Anyone can get carpel tunnel. It doesn't matter if you are playing Metal or not. It is caused from repetitive stress on the Carpel Tunnel. Over time stress can build up to the point were you will hurt yourself. A lot of metal drummers put stress on their body to play fast yes. So in a way they are a some what more prone to get repetitive strain. George Kollias uses this kind of fulcrum, he is a fast and great drummer. But he warms up. Thank you for the informational video. Dave Rules!

[cdc7891]

is this after the gruber days?

[HESARAP]

big man

[Lydirius]

It's quite simple folks. Hold your sticks however you want and however they feel comfortable to you. If you grip feels good and you are happy with what and how you play, then you're good to go! If you watch very closely when Dave or Steve Gad or ANY other player that uses "traditional" grip, you'll notice the grip loosens up so much that you can barely call it a "grip". I used both, STILL use both depending on what I'm playing. Matched for more straight forward playing, traditional for jazz.

[SyClopps]

My chi often flows into the very ends of my hands and feet. In fact, I often have chi-toes, especially while snacking. Hope this helps.

[Kubiak04]

CONGRADULATIONZ U ARE A WINARR

[bryanmcdonald19]

i think you should disable comment for this video most of them are fucking retarded

[ninjabritton]

definitely agreed

[MattMurphyDrums]

Agreed

[connery2010]

Pinche Dave,gracias a tus consejos he sabido mas de la bateria,y aparte ser genoroso con los demas bateristas,eso te hace ser mas grande,por que el ser persona y ser bateria es muy diferente,y tu eres good person and a goog drumer.gracias bro.

[sergioz07]

estoy muy deacuerdo!!!

dave weckl es uno de mis bateristas favoritos y para mi es el que mejor concepto tiene!!

[generatrix999]

Home position- matched grip. if traditional gip was superior, people would use it in both hands.

[nanopola]

.......dumbshet......tradition­al grip comes from the way the old army bands used to play, with their drum on an 45 angle hanging from their shoulder.

[generatrix999]

...and both their hands were using a marching grip, not one hand like on a modern drum set.

[nanopola]

wrong answer

[generatrix999]

Its OK, you're entitled to make mistakes. Brush up on history, learn more about what you want to talk about.

Traditional grip is nothing more than the name suggest, it's traditional to drum set, that's it.

Traditional grip is not superior, or players would use it in both hands, like traditional drum corps players did.

[nanopola]

.....please dont make me laugh, of course i know much more about this topic than you, so go read a child book or something, if you know how to read.

[lileulileu]

Traditional grip comes from the natural spiral chi flow, spinning through your body - your energy field... It's the same relaxation of the field when you hold a guitar or a violin, or a baby, or a rifle, or a hoe. Traditional grip is one way thinking regrettably. Left or right. Symmetric grip (like matched grip) allows you much more to use both halves of the brain, of course separately. Other way is to switch between left trad and and right trad... I've seen this done by army snare drummers.

[Chinatownsurprise]

@generatrix999

I understand what your saying, and in my opinion matched grip is definitely superior for the likes of timpani and steel drums etc, but i recently changed my grip from matched to trad, i don't think it has technically improved me, but i am equally as good in matched and trad grip. but the one thing it has done, it has enhanced my feeling towards what i am playing, and feels so much better, and now feels perfectly natural for me, so calling it a perversion is a little much

[generatrix999]

... if you can keep your back straight while doing it, i have not seen any drummer play trad with a straight back.

If it feels so good, switch you other hand over too. Why leave out the other hand?

[juanpablovelas]

From my point of view, these are the BASICS. The very start point, the Fundamentals. With this data in mind, we can start a good road on drumming world, or even correct our "old practices" and techniques. I am happy of Dave's approach to a natural technique. I can use it in my drumming, and develop, of course, my own natural feeling in relation to my body figure. Thanks Dave!!!

[Grooovin1]

Much respect for someone who is successful at something and still goes back to revamp the way they do things. The act of a true artist moving forward i.e. Tiger Woods, Dave Weckl etc.

[eagleat17]

I respect Dave so much as a musician. But man sometimes he thinks to much into it. I know hes way better then I'll ever be but u have to gain ur own feel on and around your music maker. Jazz it up Dave!

[samm1809]

are you nuts? youll learn more from dave about technoque than sitting behind your kit! why do you think all the metal drummers get carpel tunnel syndrome?

[ukades31]

completely agree, and metal is what i play most!! :) im self taught and i played with horrible form for years, because all i wanted to do wash bash around on the drms, but once i actuaklly started studying the drums, and i realized how bad my playing was for my wrists, immediately changed it up and got better at drumming in the process

[samm1809]

i think everybody goes through a stage of realisation of their bad technique after a year or 2. i did. i played with my stick so far up my forefinger and was shocked when i realised how much better holding the stick further down the forefinger is. not to mentin the middle finger fulcrum and using the fingers. i dont play metal though, just jazz, fusion or maybe rock if i must

[DrumsMPXF]

@samm1809 What's the carpel tunnel syndrome???

[madafaka35]

@DrumsMPXF check en. wikipedia. org/wiki/Carpal_tunnel_syndrom­e

[Kakarotgoku406]

@samm1809

no kidding! you're so right about that! i'm a mike portnoy junkie, and unfortunately, because of me playing his music, i have tendentious. i got to dave too late! :(

[KeysUpOnTheTable]

@samm1809

I have never heard of a metal drummer getting carpel tunnel, it's just a stupid stereotype made by idiots who can't play with as much talent as metal drummers.

[samm1809]

@KeysUpOnTheTable there is no talent or musical ability required to play metal. don't get me wrong, it's a bitch of a workout and takes a lot of practice to get up the speed and power at the same time, but as well at technique being VITAL -find an athletic profession that DOESN'T require good technique to prevent injury- anyone can do it. you need to be an artist, not a sportsman, to be able to understand the likes of dave.

[Blacklorigine]

@samm1809 Maybe you saw some bad metal drummers, because you need musical talent and ability to play metal, like in any other kind of music...

[samm1809]

@Blacklorigine i wasn't referring to musical ability i was referring to technique. metal drumming requires very little technical ability but the majority still choose to neglect it because they think it's like a sport- entirely based on speed and agility. and second of all if metal drummers are so great then why do people pay DAVE five figures for a recording session and six for a tour rather than getting a drummer to bear the risk of commission? because to professionals, HE'S the investment.

[samm1809]

@Blacklorigine i just wonder if metal drummers realise how absolutely ridiculous it is that they seem to not even know that double strokes exist, let alone not use them. if it's such a stereotype that metal drummers get unjuries then why are all these people commenting back about their injuries due to their metal drumming idols? now if you'll excuse me i have to get ready for a performance with the top band at my school, for which in a 15 minute set around 5 has been given to me for open soloing

[shadowlorde]

@samm1809

it depends on the band and the drummer ... im assuming you've just seen the 10 trillion vids on here talking about blastbeats and playing double bass at the speed of light etc... there are some that stand out .. bobby jarzombek, aquiles priester, gene hoglan, richard christy, derek roddy, george kollias .. it depends what their other influences are.

[shadowlorde]

@samm1809

also .. i think some jazz snobs should shut up for long enough to check out some various high profile metal drummers ... just as much as death metal snobs should check out some jazz and funk ... 1 minute i'll be listening to nile .. the next minute .. tower of power .. then slayer, then dave weckl ... everything requires talent except pop

[samm1809]

@shadowlorde stop bragging about how much you listen to and don't call me a jazz snob. i was listening to dream theater and gnr all day yesterday. nothing you've said changes my point that metal drummers waste energy when they don't use doubles in their simple but fast fills on the snare and toms. and what's wrong with pop? michael jackson was a hell of a singer.

[shadowlorde]

@samm1809

somebody poured a bag of crabs down their shorts ..... i was just trying to make a point that not all metal drummers are talentless and ... fast is fast .. doubles, singles or paradiddles...  does singles vs doubles even really matter? ,,, anyway .. on a drumming video .. in a conversation about drummers .. wtf does michael jackson's singing matter ... i'll agree .. he was great .. but his drummers .. LAME..

[samm1809]

@shadowlorde i love the beats in his songs. go listen to zoro and john blackwell and bernard purdie. you obviously don't know many groove drummers.

[vtmike13]

@samm1809 don't say all. i know plenty that actually use good technique (and their music is better). haha but you're right, most have no technique and will DESTROY their wrist

[samm1809]

@vtmike13 yeah the pros like joey and mike ahve good technique, but i still never see them use doubles for their fills, which i don't see why i wouldn't if i were to pla metal.

[vtmike13]

@samm1809 i'm not really a fan of them. but i see what you're saying.

[songpitcher]

okay thanks Antiesthetic

[songpitcher]

I have one important question(my english isn´t that good so i probably missunderstood somehting)

7.48 "Its important to flip back into postion"

Okay i can do that.

But in 8:16 i dont understand what he is doing i dont see the flipback anymore.

Hope you can help me

[bamfireastound]

he looks like MR. Fantastic!

[spongebens]

what pad is he using?

[Moptoproberts]

real feel

[BertAtkinson91]

5:09 voice break haha

[coolthings88]

ROTFL XD

[juanbarros88]

if you ever bounce a ball....

[samm1809]

yeah i know "if youve ever thrown a ball"......cmon dave, think, as if good musicians can play sport lol

[juanbarros88]

hahahaha..... if you've ever thrown a ball? WTF

[NorvegianBlackMetal]

well, maybe he thinks there are a lot of GAY morons who haven`t trown a ball in their life. I personally know one

[juanbarros88]

hahaha wow thats really weird, maybe is because i dont know that many people to find a completely sportless guy among them. Still sounds funny if you ever.... hahaha.

[samm1809]

isaac, that's the sound of the stick through the air before the hit that the mic's pickin up

[Ahcortsis]

I learnt my basic from him... Thanx Dave

[macben17]

look at the forearms on that guy. holy shit. no wonder hes got mad hand technique

[isaacleedrums]

I get a kick out of the pad sound hes getting. Theres an effect going on there and its making a thhhhhwack sound. If you listen closely it sounds like a reverse gate or something. (i'm no sound engineer)

[niklebottom]

if you'v ever thrown a ball before lol

[benjiduloft]

what is his practise pad ? I would like to have the same !

[swan4163]

Looks like a Real Feel. I've had one for about 15 years. A lot of corps drummers use them.

[kurtdyoung]

ah this helps sooo much

[EmbodiedDespair]

Is that the Daily Show's John Stewart?

[dannyss29]

hahah back in the begiiining! 5:09

[jereibanez]

donde puedo bajar el dvd?

[lymph12]

Doesnt it seem like drumming has changed since the 60's? After the 70s what the hekc happened?!?! When did this modern style become ingraned in our technique? No one drums like they did in the 70s!! The fills are different, everthing!!!

[5CheeseLasagna]

lol goofball. :P

[TomValedro]

weckl owns

[elfblades]

ahha that would be "Kruger"

[Hannibu]

The guy he is talking about is Freddy Gruber

[ShanilROX]

HE is Freddy Gruber!!

[StKittsDave]

every drum clip i visit on YouTube, someone's talking about wether Neil Peart is better or worse than the drummer. Neil has never spent the ammount of time in his life that guy's like ,Minniman or Lang have done to be drum masters. Instead he worked on both drumming, and song craft. Neils drum fills, although intermediate compared to the two above drummers could do, will live forever because it's within a song crafted so well.

[mardybum023]

neil peart does not even come close to weckl

[kankeranker]

He can talk ! - but can he play ???

[BokorugroRR]

Are you serious? :) Watch some other videos of him, and you'll see.

[kankeranker]

I know - I was not to succesfull trying to be funny :-)

WECKL is one of the best ever - alongside Colaiuta even, I think. Tecnically he leaves them all in the dust, anyway - so YES He can also play -)

[youbonzo]

man he can really play!

[ShanilROX]

I get this pain on my right wrist when i practice for about 8 hours...does anyone know why???

[jonread12]

8 fuckin hours? thats why your wrists hurting mate 8 fuckin hours calm down i practice an 1 a day if that

[jonread12]

an hour a day if that **

[5CheeseLasagna]

lol there's one in every crowd. :)

[IIxMCGOWANxII]

This guy is such a genius, damn interesting stuff

[jacotolkien]

Lee has more drums AND can twirl his sticks!!

[BCDPRODUCTIONS1234]

uh who gives a flying fuck?? tommy lee sucks gigantic hairy balls at playing drums

just cos he has more drums doenst make him better u fxing idiot

[KanuZankoro]

I feel the same about Neil Peart

[BCDPRODUCTIONS1234]

neil peart has earned his right to be called one of the best drummers in the world

[immanueldk92]

Haha ur not serios are you?

[BCDPRODUCTIONS1234]

Why wouldn't i be?

Peart is amazing

[Dabombmh1990]

for his genre of music and only that genre!

[BCDPRODUCTIONS1234]

He plays Prog rock with his BAND, i believe that he recently done a Buddy Rich memorial concert which is Jazz so there's another genre

learn your facts

[Dabombmh1990]

maybe u should learn how to read! I never said he COULDN'T play other genres. I said he is just good at his own genre. He isn't as good in other genres douche! FYI I love Rush so don't talk shit!

[BCDPRODUCTIONS1234]

Fuck you

i'd like to see you better you obnoxious wanker

[Dabombmh1990]

I NEVER SAID I WAS BETTER. You are so illiterate! Go stick your finger up your ass and pinch your nipples fag!

[BCDPRODUCTIONS1234]

Uh no i dont share your homosexual fantasies

why dont you do that seeing as you thought of the idea

[Dabombmh1990]

Congrats you just won a youtube argument by changing the subject! I hate stupid drummers that think they know everything! You have no clue about my skill level or where i have played! I guarantee you are just some stupid drummer that plays along with Neil Peart all day and can't read music. Please tell me when you have opened for the Playboy Jazz Festival, played for the Monterey Jazz Festival, and played in the Walt Disney Concert Hall.

[BCDPRODUCTIONS1234]

You are an asshole, Why do you have to criticize my opinion?

FYI i can read music im doing my GCSE's in music

Plus i have a larger music collection than just rush and why do you talk as if you're so special?

Egomaniac much?

[Dabombmh1990]

NO u r the one that wanted this confrontation! I just was saying how i liked Neil Peart, but he is only good in his genre of music! YOU are the one that wanted to bring this to a whole other level!

[BCDPRODUCTIONS1234]

Ha you didnt mention how you liked neil peart it looked like you were insulting him and youre the one who started with the insults

[Dabombmh1990]

I said he plays he genre well but can't play other genres as well! That is def not talking down to him. I also said i liked Rush!

[sourav777]

lol you two rule. i missed the video reading you two hahaha :D. please dont stop :P (and yes, thats what she said)

[jacotolkien]

he's good but he's no tommy lee

[Mewisonfire]

...wtf

[bonpasteur]

in terms of tattoos?

[spacitydrummer4JC]

Yeah, you can leave Youtube forever If you want..

[Taman6969]

Hehehehehe... idiot.

Dave's 1 of the greatest drummer ever

[RdGr12]

Good video... it's very informative and technical!

[ProvidentTP4]

check 1,2 is this thing on?

[ashhole11]

on ya mum

[Flatnoy69]

This is the best video I have ever seen...I've been using it for about 3 months and I'm twice as good as I used to be. Thank you so much for introducing me to The Dave.

[majortombelgium]

I reaaaally am having a problem with where you hold your thumb. It is really difficult, where do you keep your thumb when the stick rebounds? Do you keep it on top of the stick? Anyone can explain it to me? Thanks!

[5CheeseLasagna]

Just play, and try not to worry about these little things. Just keep your thumb on the stick. Focus on making music and using your hands and feet to do this. As Dave said, it's natural. There's a natural way, and a forced way. It sounds to me like you want to force it somehow. Just pick the stick up, bounce it on a drum or pad and observe what your hand naturally wants to do.

Oh, and one important thing: the stronger your hands and wrists, and feet and ankles are, the easier drumming is.

[iloveklb]

home position?

looks more like homo position!

jokes :P

such a usefull video has helped my technique form just one watch middle finger grip is so much better.

[ikickpuppys]

This is brilliant, my control got better literally as soon as I tried his middle finger grip. I've always kind of been doing it, but my teacher told me that the forefinger was where the grip should be, so my bounces were choked. By just shifting the grip slightly onto the mid finger my bounces are way freer!

[aronizer]

So in the begining he actually says that french grip is not good for your wrists?

[aienema]

yo tengo un mano izkierDA SUPER TORPE y es por malas posicones y costumbre gracias por el video, a intentar kitarme este mal :s

[acousticky14]

stop taking. start playing

[RadelBaluvar]

I think you should play not talk...

[diffarty]

i think u shud shut up

d man is teahin 4 free

if ja nt intrestd forwrd d vid dumbass

[Drumhead13th]

this is a lesson dude. u must listen to learn, bec. in drums theres no such word as watch and learn

[dumfree254]

Everyone tells me that I drum "backwards". Is that possible? See my video "Drumming with Big Sugar"

[Joule413]

When they say you play "backwards" they probably mean that you play in a backbeat (dunno if that's the correct term in english) basicly, it means that you play the first snare stroke where the first bass drum stroke should be, like you switched the position of the bass drum and snare....really bad explanation but it's the best I can do. :P

[RadelBaluvar]

I think you should play not talk....

[athenasrock]

gracias por el video macako! groso!

sl2, djembe ;-)

[9thfret]

I Just noticed, he uses a middle finger grip