Good luck getting one this year. These things are going to sell like hot cakes. I know I will try. I prefer 10-12 inch barrels most of the time, but would still get this shorter one.
I have a nickel boron bolt & bolt carrier group in my AR. There is no way it will go 11k rounds without lube. My friend tried it with his in a VTAC Carbine 1.5 class and it didn't make it passed 250 rounds.
REASONS 7.62x39 wAS NOT CONSIDERED Extreme cartridge taper • Reduces reliability of feeding in AR Magazines • Reduces Magazine capacity • Cartridge taper induces considerably higher bolt thrust- exacerbating the AR Bolt's weaknesses • Requires a larger Bolt Face which reduces Bolt Locking Lug strength- exacerbating the AR Bolt's weaknesses Limited projectile selection • 0.311" diameter not a common option in most modern bullets
@ms3bani Extreme Cartridge taper is a good for feeding reliabilty - it is the AR platform design, but a valid point. Is the 300 AAC capacity that much greater than the AK round as both are 7.62 diameter? Agreed on the "exacerbating the AR' bolt's weakness", Projectile selection is quite good - better than 300 AAC, Not sure why the concern with 0.311 diameter as both the 300 AAC and 7.62 would require a barrel change from AR platform.
@frankgon4 projectile selection in 0.308 (300 aac) is MUCH greater than that of 0.311 (7.62x39). 300 aac capacity is the same as 223/556 -- it uses the same case! 7.62x39 capacity is lower -- the case is ~20% larger than 223/556. 300 aac requires ONLY a barrel change, 7.62x39 requires barrel+bolt+magazines. bottom line: 300 aac provides ALL the advantages of 7.62 AND MORE on AR15 platform with NONE of the drawbacks of running 7.62x39 on a platform it wasnt designed for.
@ms3bani I checked around and did find AR-15 platform in 7.62X39, but dug further and these seem to suffer from feeding problems when using hollow points. So agreed that AR platform is not there for 7.62X39. I do like the 300 AAC ammo, but I could only find 3 types of 300 AAC ammo available and it is expensive. If you reload then more options are available, but limited varieties from manufacture at this time. I think ammo cost will make or break the 300 AAC.
@frankgon4 don't forget that 300 aac was also designed from the very beginning to support subsonic loads for suppressors. it's a fantastically versatile round. manufacturer support has exploded since 300 aac was SAAMI approved on 1/17/11, probably the fastest adoption of a new round in history, ever.
ammo prices are driven by demand. given how easy it is to run 300 aac on an AR-15 and how many new products are coming out, i expect to see significant drops in ammo prices this year.
wOWWWW !!., full auto silenced 300 blackout sbr.., LWRCi makes the PSD better then anyone in the world., this is by far the nicest rifle ive seen outta all the shotshow footage this yr.., makes me glad that im from Maryland.., great job guys, as always.., now send me one for testing !!!
I find the bolt interesting. 11,000 rounds from DI and no oil? That would be incredible if true. A bolt like that could really transform the entire AR platform if true.
@juki009 i dont think he meant that i think he was refering to the lower pressure generated from subsonic ammunition they get more consistant results from DI.
@juki009 He is talking about the fact that a subsonic round would have a harder time pushing the piston back especially since its a smaller cartridge round.
@juki009 No it is not. It is more reliable with two different loads in this caliber. The gas block would have been too big and unweildy to run both sub and supersonic ammo with this gun suppressed and unsuppressed. As far as standard calibers, my rifle is OTB capable, can any DI rifle make that claim? That is what I thought, stop reading into things too much.
@Sleeper362 ..The gas piston system of the "PWS 9.5" - MK109 UPPER, 300 BLK", functions flawlessly with suppressed subsonic loads. "300 BLK from a 9.5 inch barrel has the same energy at the muzzle as a 14.5 inch barrel M4, and about 5% more energy at 440 meters - even though the barrel is much shorter."
Very nice ! But in my opinion / thinking in reality its a waste to change to a 300 Blackout with a short barrel like that . i could understand a 12" or more 300 Blackout is not cheap
very nice!i`ve been thinking of going 300 blackout on my new build,but was a little hesitant to go with it till i seen all these new 300 blackout builds and ammo choices!300 blackout,here i come!
Read somewhere this is a limited run. I really hope not, as I really like the concept but can't justify the cash at this point in my life. It definitely fills a unique role.
By the time you get the SBR and suppressor taxes paid though it would cost a bajillion dollars to own, not to mention buying some of that 300 blackout at ~$1 a round.
However, it DevGru or Delta ever call me to clear rooms with them, that's the gun I want. ; )
@Sturmgewehre Brother have you seen the KAC, PDW its good out to 300 meters and has a folding stock fires the 6x35mm i think you will like it other than the proprietary round do to the limited amount and not being mass-produced.
Good luck getting one this year. These things are going to sell like hot cakes. I know I will try. I prefer 10-12 inch barrels most of the time, but would still get this shorter one.
EmergentBehavior 3 weeks ago
looks just like bearrts
MrBackwardssdrawkcab 1 month ago
Interesting gun....I always said...LWRC would be my other choice if I ever stray from my ArmaLites.....LOL...
Would still like to have a REPR..
E1
ETHRON1 1 month ago
I might just have to get rid of the wifey and pick up one of these sexy things some how! haha
Great update of SHOT btw.
HollowFMJ 1 month ago
Awesome!
40sigsauer 1 month ago
I'm an ak kinda cause of reliability but I would use the ak a scrap money if I could afford this!!!
Quinnstafer 1 month ago
I have a nickel boron bolt & bolt carrier group in my AR. There is no way it will go 11k rounds without lube. My friend tried it with his in a VTAC Carbine 1.5 class and it didn't make it passed 250 rounds.
Decado1628 1 month ago
11,000 rounds without a single stoppage! Take that you AK ultimate reliability guys!
Crimble67 1 month ago
IT'S SO CUTE!
808Arsenal 1 month ago
Ze power of Nickel BORON!
FirstPistolSammy 1 month ago
The 300 AAC is a 7.62 X 35 mm. Makes me wonder why they did not stay with 7.62 X 39 mm.
The ammo is almost $1 per round.
frankgon4 1 month ago
@frankgon4
REASONS 7.62x39 wAS NOT CONSIDERED Extreme cartridge taper • Reduces reliability of feeding in AR Magazines • Reduces Magazine capacity • Cartridge taper induces considerably higher bolt thrust- exacerbating the AR Bolt's weaknesses • Requires a larger Bolt Face which reduces Bolt Locking Lug strength- exacerbating the AR Bolt's weaknesses Limited projectile selection • 0.311" diameter not a common option in most modern bullets
ms3bani 1 month ago
@ms3bani Extreme Cartridge taper is a good for feeding reliabilty - it is the AR platform design, but a valid point. Is the 300 AAC capacity that much greater than the AK round as both are 7.62 diameter? Agreed on the "exacerbating the AR' bolt's weakness", Projectile selection is quite good - better than 300 AAC, Not sure why the concern with 0.311 diameter as both the 300 AAC and 7.62 would require a barrel change from AR platform.
frankgon4 1 month ago
@frankgon4 projectile selection in 0.308 (300 aac) is MUCH greater than that of 0.311 (7.62x39). 300 aac capacity is the same as 223/556 -- it uses the same case! 7.62x39 capacity is lower -- the case is ~20% larger than 223/556. 300 aac requires ONLY a barrel change, 7.62x39 requires barrel+bolt+magazines. bottom line: 300 aac provides ALL the advantages of 7.62 AND MORE on AR15 platform with NONE of the drawbacks of running 7.62x39 on a platform it wasnt designed for.
ms3bani 1 month ago
@ms3bani I checked around and did find AR-15 platform in 7.62X39, but dug further and these seem to suffer from feeding problems when using hollow points. So agreed that AR platform is not there for 7.62X39. I do like the 300 AAC ammo, but I could only find 3 types of 300 AAC ammo available and it is expensive. If you reload then more options are available, but limited varieties from manufacture at this time. I think ammo cost will make or break the 300 AAC.
frankgon4 1 month ago
@frankgon4 don't forget that 300 aac was also designed from the very beginning to support subsonic loads for suppressors. it's a fantastically versatile round. manufacturer support has exploded since 300 aac was SAAMI approved on 1/17/11, probably the fastest adoption of a new round in history, ever.
ammo prices are driven by demand. given how easy it is to run 300 aac on an AR-15 and how many new products are coming out, i expect to see significant drops in ammo prices this year.
ms3bani 1 month ago
@frankgon4 I'm probably more excited about my 300BLK build then any rifle in a few years. It really looks fun!
bp968 1 month ago
wOWWWW !!., full auto silenced 300 blackout sbr.., LWRCi makes the PSD better then anyone in the world., this is by far the nicest rifle ive seen outta all the shotshow footage this yr.., makes me glad that im from Maryland.., great job guys, as always.., now send me one for testing !!!
MultiSr16 1 month ago
thats sick i gotta get that bolt man
Leadfarmer337 1 month ago
I find the bolt interesting. 11,000 rounds from DI and no oil? That would be incredible if true. A bolt like that could really transform the entire AR platform if true.
Corsair8X 1 month ago
@Corsair8X
its Nickel Boron coating.
FirstPistolSammy 1 month ago
WoW 11k with out cleaning it . and its a DI gun.
millster101 1 month ago
@millster101 Look up the BCM Filthy 14 rifle.
huntwithairguns 1 month ago
Yo i need that lower asap !
arcanesoldierx 1 month ago
interesting bolt.
eggworm 1 month ago
I'm not buying it's quieter than a mp5sd at all, and 11k rounds no failure uh I think there should be a new rule every time a rep LIES
You get to give them one kick in the NUTS!
Doc6mm 1 month ago
Sexy
ketel1 1 month ago
So many AR variants. I love the AR.
commanderchair 1 month ago
1:28 Direct Impingement (DI) is inherently more reliable than Piston? hmmmm
juki009 1 month ago 5
@juki009 i dont think he meant that i think he was refering to the lower pressure generated from subsonic ammunition they get more consistant results from DI.
koconcept 1 month ago
@juki009 He is talking about the fact that a subsonic round would have a harder time pushing the piston back especially since its a smaller cartridge round.
Rellik451 1 month ago
@juki009
welp less weight. if your a conscript/child solider maybe not for u :D
FirstPistolSammy 1 month ago
@juki009
On AR15's yes. The gun was not designed around pistons. I have seen pistons fail far more than DI guns at matches.
Alaskapopo 1 month ago
@juki009 No it is not. It is more reliable with two different loads in this caliber. The gas block would have been too big and unweildy to run both sub and supersonic ammo with this gun suppressed and unsuppressed. As far as standard calibers, my rifle is OTB capable, can any DI rifle make that claim? That is what I thought, stop reading into things too much.
Sleeper362 1 month ago
@Sleeper362 ..The gas piston system of the "PWS 9.5" - MK109 UPPER, 300 BLK", functions flawlessly with suppressed subsonic loads. "300 BLK from a 9.5 inch barrel has the same energy at the muzzle as a 14.5 inch barrel M4, and about 5% more energy at 440 meters - even though the barrel is much shorter."
MrSchpankme 3 weeks ago
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Sleeper362 1 month ago
That would be sick with a Beta-C mag stuck on it:)
boltactionshooter 1 month ago
This gun interests me more than anything else I have seen from all of SHOT.
boltactionshooter 1 month ago
Please make a video of that Sturmgewehr!
I'd like to hear that!
Oh wait...I can't hear it
snowface27 1 month ago
i would absolutely love to own this
boxdoutfoot 1 month ago
all of my want
TheSupahero 1 month ago
I wonder if they will make PSD pistol in 300?
MrM2hb 1 month ago
That rifle look good next to a Kel Tec KSG.
staglefty 1 month ago
Will it be a semi auto or full auto when it hit the market?
staglefty 1 month ago
nice carbine, id like to try it out
TheCivilianSoldier 1 month ago
Very nice ! But in my opinion / thinking in reality its a waste to change to a 300 Blackout with a short barrel like that . i could understand a 12" or more 300 Blackout is not cheap
tfordman223 1 month ago
that little rifle looks like one sweet package...but huh..that huh, guy huh is huh hard to huh listen huh to
HunterKiller308 1 month ago
this is what they came up with to compete with the AAC Honey Badger.
trenttyre 1 month ago
very nice!i`ve been thinking of going 300 blackout on my new build,but was a little hesitant to go with it till i seen all these new 300 blackout builds and ammo choices!300 blackout,here i come!
bobsolla 1 month ago
looks like a toy my daughter has. She goes pew pew...
Seriously, what's wrong with .308?
MavHunter20XX 1 month ago
@MavHunter20XX weight and noise...possible over penetration
HunterKiller308 1 month ago
@MavHunter20XX read a bit more about it and you'll be impressed...your doubt comes from a lack of information i suspect...
dlizzle 1 month ago
@dlizzle Prolly, price of system overcomes want to comprehend.
MavHunter20XX 1 month ago
11,000 rds. without any failures???
I'm calling "BULLSHIT" on that one!!!
DIECASTER 1 month ago
@DIECASTER I believe him more than I believe you.
c0boy 1 month ago
@c0boy Most sheep do...
DIECASTER 1 month ago
@DIECASTER you dont know much about nickel boron do you?
HunterKiller308 1 month ago
Are the upper and stock extension sold separately? I'd like to put one on a pre-86 Lower. Silly federal government crap, and all that...
evildude109 1 month ago
DI ?
seekwolf1 1 month ago
@seekwolf1 Direct impingement (as opposed to a piston retro-fit/redesigned upper).
johnpatrick818 1 month ago
That thing looks adorable :) (hehe)
EverythingisFire 1 month ago
I am NOT jumping on the 300 blackout bandwagon
freestylmx311 1 month ago
Okay...is the bolt for sale?
inkerrh 1 month ago
Wow. this is amazing. I love LWRC. they're such a unique company. i have a lot of respect for those guys
i wanna get my hands ahold of the LWRC IAR with the 21" fluted barrel and acog scope. thats my wish
section8solo 1 month ago
nice
jmmurdy 1 month ago
Read somewhere this is a limited run. I really hope not, as I really like the concept but can't justify the cash at this point in my life. It definitely fills a unique role.
Joefreerider 1 month ago
i want....
joshuamsu 1 month ago
very nice
southparkkid278 1 month ago
damn this video keeps poping up and i dont want to watch it...LWRC cost me 65 bucks last year and they could care less ..screw em
glock10mm 1 month ago
Wow! That looks like a really fun gun.
By the time you get the SBR and suppressor taxes paid though it would cost a bajillion dollars to own, not to mention buying some of that 300 blackout at ~$1 a round.
However, it DevGru or Delta ever call me to clear rooms with them, that's the gun I want. ; )
giff74 1 month ago
@giff74 400$ in taxes. 2,300$ for the rifle. Not expensive.
1776PatriotTeen 1 month ago
@1776PatriotTeen
lol ya not expensive
freestylmx311 1 month ago
@freestylmx311 I wasn't joking.
1776PatriotTeen 1 month ago
@1776PatriotTeen
lol I know you werent joking, I was being sarcastic...I believe that IS expensive but thats just me
freestylmx311 1 month ago
Okay, I like LWRC's ambi lower better than Colts
Cobrey92 1 month ago
that is one small 300blackout - too bad australia wont let me have one
NzMaze 1 month ago
Is the bolt Nickle Boron coated like the FailZero EXO?
DontComeToMyHouse 1 month ago 3
@DontComeToMyHouse Yes, it is.
Sturmgewehre 1 month ago 2
@Sturmgewehre Brother have you seen the KAC, PDW its good out to 300 meters and has a folding stock fires the 6x35mm i think you will like it other than the proprietary round do to the limited amount and not being mass-produced.
USMCSC0UTSniper 1 month ago
Looks similar to the AAC honeybadger
robertw0925 1 month ago
@robertw0925 Not at all...
1776PatriotTeen 1 month ago
beauty
TheRiggenbach 1 month ago
QUIETER THAN AN MP5SD.
thats real quiet!
2ndTierShooter 1 month ago