Support HR 676, medicare for all. Single payer. The most effective cost system. Kill private insurance, who needs them. All you need is you your doctor and a payer, 4% for government or 30% for private insurance.
Obama gave his most deeply felt vision of America, delivering the boldest social democratic manifesto ever issued by a U.S. president. In American politics, you can't get more left than that speech and still be on the playing field.
guy at the end says it's about control. he doesn't trust gov't or big corporations because both curb his freedom. but what if the gov't wants to control big corp and small business by mandating healthcare? isn't that a good kind of control that doesn't protrude into personal freedom?
What you describe is basically communism and it's disastrous to the economy as well as personal freedoms. The system now in place is corporatism, which is basically the big corps having enough political power to enact legislation that helps *them*. Also very disastrous.
There should be no political interference in healthcare at all. Remember politicians are mostly helping themselves, not you. They are no angels but just humans who want to live the good life... at your expense and tax dollars
what i describe is Big Brother forcing corporations like walmart and profitable small business to buy healthcare for the millions of uninsured workers. currently, there is no political interference, but there is also no healthcare for millions. what i describe is not communism, but effective gov't policy on an unregulated industry. tell me, which industry in america ISN'T REGULATED? if you think there "shouldn't" be ANY political interference then lets all vote for ron paul in 2012. i'm serious
Forcing business to pay for the insurrance for their workers is bad too. In the first place "forcing" already means you are taking personal freedoms away and in the second place it just means corps will employ less workers, move their busness elsewhere and prices will definitely go up. Every regulation has the effect that people are going to avoid it and new regulation is required, more freedoms are taken away and so on. In the end everyone but the regulators are worse off. Yes vote Paul
i agree with that. i hate regulatory institutions. but what do u do about established institutions like the dmv or ins or irs? do u think all institutions are bad? i guess what i'm trying to say is, realistically, the gov't is growing bigger- democrats trying to get healthcare, and republicans have the defense industry. either way, both parties are for big government, except they're backed by different industries. i agree with republican political philosophy, but that is not what is happening...
So many stupid people opposing health care reform, lol!
Also check PBS Frontline report on different health care systems. There are a lot of private but better systems, like in Germany for example. It's not all government, but man, these people are stupid!
It's hilarious to see righty's throwing around slogans like "dissent is American"
It's like the years 2001-2008 never even happened (see Ann Coulters book "Treason" if you don't know what I mean).. Or the anti-war protests of the sixties for that matter.
Dean is a real progressive not a blue dog. That is who he ran the DNC. Remember he critized the blue dogs. That is why he was a great DNC. He is a real liberal not a phony.
the current system is crap....i saw a video of a woman who DIED in a hospital waiting room in the US.....why not change things?....as for people not wanting to invest well, tell bill gates to show his true colours by investing in health care instead of african eugenics programs.......lets see what he says....
The profiteering insurance companies obviously have such a strong lobby that they've brainwashed their stooly pigeons to the point they're brain dead. Why would we NOT want a public option? Why wouldn't we want insurance companies to have to compete for our healthcare dollars? Who says health insurance companies should even exist? Democrats, stop cowtowing to the GOP! And GOP, take your clashing cymbals to another arena, you will lose your battle to divide and conquer, BLAH!
Get a life, exercise, eat healthy foods, and quit your stressful job, quit being the good consumer, quit taking part in the complicity that will ultimately ruin us. Take no part whatsoever, give no credence to the beast. The Lord Giveth, The Lord Taketh Away!
You need a louder mic. Shout to be heard. The public option *is* the compromise. That lady was lying about France. Why didn't Dean correct her? It's not that they don't trust government, they only trust feudalist government. Plus it is a public *option*, if you don't like it don't use it.
what a douche bag at the end , that republican used a scenario then didn't even have any facts. Down syndrome baby not being covered?? What the fuck is he talking about. WHAT A FUCKTARD!
To everyone who argues that socialised medicine will lead to abortions of down-syndrome babies (who will, over their lives, burden the socialised medical system disproportionately):
Consider:
Public Education does not refuse to educate the retarded because they don't qualify on some cost-benefit analysis. This is because public institutions are mandated to consider mor than the bottom-line.
Which type of institutions place priority on bottom-line? Private. So please reconsider.
As long as people are willing to pay for the education or care of their mentally retarded children, private enterprise will do a much bettter job at it, and is cheaper overall because of efficiency and because private enterprise with regards to retarded people is usually based on charity. The care goes down and costs go up when people want government to take care of their retards because govt. is inefficient (unnecessary management layers) and impersonal (retards are numbers, not people)
asalade: you're attacking the poor that government services will go down in quality..there has never been any precidence or proof of that.....in fact there is more proof that medicine and healthcare for all does workin in many 1st world countries...
Asalade: I've been reading your comments to this vid and I must say although I disagree with you, you are very intelligent and make your points well. I rarely see people making such insightful distinctions between corporatism and socialism. Kudos.
As for your reply to me: You must agree that the idea that current private enterprise is not mor efficient than the public services.
Also, historically, charities do a bad job at comprehensive welfare programs. I will continue:
I'm not sure which distinction I made. Ultimately socialism is the extreme version of corporatism where there is just one big corporation that does not have to worry about competition. It just comes down to political power regarding quality and quantity of healthcare then. Yes I admit public healthcare can be decent, but in the political environment of the US? I think not. And then I'm not even covering the principles of freedom, which is my main objection to this, and many other things
As for charities doing a bad job at comprehensive welfare programs. I don't believe comprehensive welfare programs are necessary. Most people can take care of themselves as long as they aren't held down by regulations. And most importantly (replying to your pm: if there is no private initiative to help these people, there wouldn't be any political initiative either--and if there is private initiative, political initiative is not necessary as long as the private is not held down
(continued) and the only reason to hold down private intitiative is for politicians to gain political power and for corporations to eliminate competition. Beware when a politician uses excuses like "ensuring quality standards" or "it's for the public good" when he wants to enact a new law. He means it's good for him and a corporation thatt lobbied his ass.
There would probably be poverty, but mostly for the people who 'deserve' it by taking big risks that bankrupt them. Or by being really lazy. Or by, as said, being incapable of working themselves. But there would be no large scale government created poverty like we see now all around the world, where even self responsible people are punished by having to pay for the losses of the irresponsible.
This is a reply to Asalade's "As for charities..." reply.
You say "Most people can take care of themselves..." what about those who can't? I suspect you will say in a free and liberal society without the state getting in the way, volunteer will provide adequate help.
And we did, before the development of the welfare state, do just that... for our cousins, coreligionists, and friends. If your community did not have the resources to help you when you were down and out, you were screwed.
I more or less covered this in the same reply. If there is no private initiative, why would there be public initiative? After all, public initiative come from the minds of normal people, and if these people want to take care of the disabled why not do it themselves rather than to force others to do it and pay for it through legislation? I.e. if you really care about the disabled, help one or two yourself instead of "outsourcing" it to a government. This is true socialism.
i agree, fire services used to be private. you need a type of badge on your mail box or front door to get any help...if you didn't have one or didn't have the right one than the fire was left alone. the government realized this was stupid as hell and made it a social institution
Heath care is a RIGHT and was deemed legally so in every western nation but the U.S. We are the only civilized nation in the western world that doesn't have access to medicare for all.
But on the other hand we have the costliest most expensive medical care and medicine in the world.And we're not even close to the best care in the world. According to world health figures we're not close to number one in just about anything when it concerns ones health overall.
crowmd1: that's because corporate medicine can charge all they want......that's why it's expensive...but it doesn't have to be like it is now....and there is no "war"...it's the corporate giants of medicare that are hidden in this debate.
A large group of Americans don't care anymore; they just want government to take care of them from the cradle to the grave--make all the hard decisions, and even make all the easy decisions--so they only need to worry about what's for dinner tomorrow.
These people are known as social-liberals and they are worthless
A large group of Americans don't care anymore; they just want the working class to take care of them from cradle to grave-do all the hard work, increase their profits-so they only need to worry about collecting their dividends.
These people are known as capitalists and they are worthless.
What I agree with is that the current system (corporatism) isn't good (understatement) either, but going towards socialism will only make it (corporatism) worse. Capitalism is not bad, as long as the market is open and there are no rules that limit you from working yourself up in an honest way.
It's easy for politicians to score political points with reforms if times are bad and the people are desperate for any change, regardless of the actual outcome of that change. Way too easy.
What has this to do with what I wrote? What is morality? Thy shalt not steal? Madoff stole and is put in jail for that. Government steals... and what happens? As a reward of its failure it gets even more power from these liberals in order to steal even more. Morality and government cannot coexist
to run my health care program" Well, should we go through the page long list of things the
government runs in our lives right now? Funny how these people trust their parents to Gov. run medicare!! The same people told us that we should trust GWB and Co. to keep us safe from terrorism, after the worst terrorist attack in U.S. history happened on their watch. Boy, it's never hard to spot the conservatives by their non-stop circular logic, is it!? lol
eww i don't like ol' girl's haircut at the beginning. i can't tell if she's ugly or not but i'm willing to give her the benefit of the doubt because that hair is just awful
I love people that freak out about "loss of freedom" with health care reform, totally forgetting that Dubya shredded the Constitution after wiping his ass with it. The Patriot Act destroyed more freedom and privacy than any sort of health care reform ever could.
we don't care about OVERALL mortality rate. stay out of my health care. give me back my VOTE DNC. Howie Dean sucks Obama's dick embarrassingly hard. sell your Crapcare to the kiddies Howie! you fascist PIG
perhaps what the scariest part is that man seems to be using logic! He admits that it's bad under corporations but "it's better" than government run.
It's not better for millions that are uninsured. Oh wait!
it's better for him! Oh I get it! Fuck everyone else! I have it already and don't want to risk ANY complications for me just to insure other "unresponsable lowlifes"!! It's "rational selfishness" a classic (and putrid) american trait.
the government should just build a national system of hospitals and out patient clinics and give all citizens free care at these facilities. People can keep their insurance doctors are still in charge of their private practices.
RASMUSSEN POLL: Obama Approval New Low at 46%... Imagine that the most INEPT president elected to office in the USA has approval ratings that are falling faster than Ted Kennedy's trip to Hell!
these insurance CEOs are denying rightful claims that kill dozens of americans a day!!!!! They make pp fear healthcare reform in order to protect their huge and expanded profits, continuing this pay-or-die system that has plagued this country for decades, a system that takes 20,000 lives a year, according to the Institute of Medicine of the Nat. Academy of Sci. Thats about sixty people who die every day. OR nationalized healthcare where the CEO and his greed are cut out of the equation.
I have listened to the debate, and many of the arguments are . . . tangential to the entire debate. The whole mortality issue is a non-issue, really. That is Population Medicine, not healthcare.
Like how that one Republican nit-wit threw out false scenarios [downs syndromes fetus and gov't push for abortions] preaching them as TRUTHS, until Paul Jay put him on the spot and exposed his LIES. Nice work RealNews! Keep it going!
Vast majority of Americans want Single-Payer coverage. Its time we politically push back all these Fear-Mongering Neo-Con Republican Zombies that are funded by Insurance companies.
Its not BullShit! Most Americans do want Single-Payer. Its just that FOX news only gives 90% of TV time to those who are against Obama's program, Dis-INFO agents like Rush Limbaugh spread fear based lies, while Insurance giants funnel money to these media providing large payments.
Here's another TRUTH that is confirm accurate - Insurance Giants are spending 1.4 million a day [A DAY!] to defeat the Obama Program. That's insane! Why can't they give this money to people who are sick or dying?
Even if "most" Americans wanted something for free it doesn't make it right. That just doesn't make sense.
I see media supporting Obama more than anything, save one and that's Faux. Luckily you live in a Republic still and boy, that just brings a smile to my face. $1.4 a day? And what does Obama care get in good coverage for free, like Cenk here?
You can't have our monetary system and expect single payer.
That's the FACT, and why Dems are abandoning the President, reason not abandoning them.
Its not about free handouts its about creating more economic prosperity & social harmony.
Public Roads resulted in moving products to market more rapidly to all corners of our nation. Public Schools creates a work force with [at least] basic skills for all job sectors and even creating new job skills. You cannot deny that Federal funds that paid for the 2 had some positive results.
Public Health Care will keep our work force healthy, take financial pressure off companies, & lower product cost.
"Public Health Care will keep our work force healthy, take financial pressure off companies, & lower product cost."
That's the problem. The US or any country is not a corporation, it's a piece of land with people on it who ought to be free--not managed by a government for the purpose of increasing its own power and wealth. Talking in terms of Work Force is something a corporate management would do, not someone who respects individual rights.
Our transit system is one of the worst for a industrialized country, since the Fed has been involved in Public schools the grades have dropped faster than the dollars value when Nixon dismantled Brenton Woods fractional gold reserve banking.
So when the Fed can do something right I might have some sympathy for you opinion,
Yes our Public Roads & Schools aren't perfect, but they are effective. Wife & I graduated from Public Schools. We have decent jobs. Driven for over 25 years & never crash into a crater.
How about the Military which eats up 55% of the budge? Have 1,000 overseas bases & nuclear weapons to wipe the earth 7 times. Money well spent?
Gold standard won't work, ask the Romans.
Only a Fiat currency like Lincoln's Greenback will work. Which is a currency struck & valued by Congress ONLY. Not by Banks.
You just made my point. Teh government has proven inept in the few segments they have been alowed to interfere. You have no argument with me on the military spending.
Rome's denarius was debased, when the Vandals stopped being paid in silver they sacked the Empire.
Your dollar is worth as much as people believe it's worth.
People don't hate it. Look up the polls, the overwhelming majority of the U.S. people want single-payer no private ANYTHING public health care. Unfortunately Obama's plan does not do what the public wants, a nationalized healthcare system with no private institutions sucking the life out of the public like the rest of the world has. It is just more bullshit making the insurance companies rich off taxpayer money.
i don't want the government knowing stuff about me because they will use it to control me. but i'm perfectly fine with multinational corporations having and exchanging my personal information. the private health industry wants to help everyone, and they expect NOTHING in return.
one to supply you with insurance or care or both, and nobody felt the need to organise roads, food, or shelter?
what about the tent cities? do you think that your "oh so cool capitalistisc"-"we are a republic" works good there? that is your HC-system in small, and face it; the shit is all over the place!
Health care is not a right. Housing is not a right. Obama zombies need to start reading the constitution because we were founded as a REPUBLIC. These idiot democrats and neo-cons who want to socialize every single thing need to be kicked out. If Americans want to stop being sick, then they need to go on a diet and start working out so that they won't have a high chance of getting disease or being obese, which relates to so many deaths each year too, because obese get more diseases.
No, but Youtube is something you pay to use, just like a Doctors service. Ignorance is a right. It's not a good thing, but if someone wants to remain ignorant or abuse their freedoms, then that is their right to do so as long as they aren't hurting anyone else.
You need to start looking at history because we were also founded as a country where no one but the richest 20 percent of male adults could vote and where slavery was legal. Not exactly a good argument.
Last I checked, home prices were much cheaper 30 years ago. Last I checked, the Dollar was stronger 60 years ago. How is that a better environment for only few rich people? Basic rights do not change. Saying we have a right to health care is like saying we have a right to housing and free food. No, you have to work to get it. Your point makes no sense whatsoever. 100 years ago, I did not have to pay the income tax. 100 years ago, I would have had more wealth.
That's because you missed the point entirely. You were arguing that we shouldn't argue for public health care because our founding fathers didn't intend for it. They also didn't intend for blacks, women, or the poorest 80% of white males to have suffrage. Does that mean you shouldn't support womens suffrage? So back to my point: not exactly a good argument.
Health care is not right, but many people think it should be, and many are working to get it, such as the hundreds of people in this video
How do you think there is going to be an option? You are going to tax the people who have insurance to pay for those who elect the goverment plan? Why would I lose money? When I'll elect the free plan and still make the same money. So in the end it will be all goverment which is what Obama he really wants anyway. These people have to realize that nothing is free.
No, that is not what I said. Please show me where I said that. Funny how you try to use trick words. I never said anything against public health care. I am saying that health care is not a right and I am not for socialized medicine. People complain about the prices but thats because the gov. is in the way. I don't care what people think. Some ignorant people also think that housing should be a right, but that does not make it right.
The MSM is horrible. They showed a short little snipped of this townhall on CNN and the only thing they showed was the abortion guy getting kicked out. CNN made it look like a complete a total circus.
But looking at this you actually see that people on both sides, though passionate at times, were asking good questions.
I will be contibuting your channel. The difference between coverage is glarring and it's also disgusting when you think that most people will see CNN but never see this.
The Roman emperors had it right 2,000 years ago...the poor and downtrodden can be easily distracted with staged events....back then it was lions ripping people apart live in giant coliseums...Now it's staged events like these from the health insurance industry.
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A post from Alternet: These yellers and ranters lost an election. They didn't have any power to begin with, but they lost the delusion of power. They are like wounded, cornered animals, snarling and slashing.
Some of the town hall goers actually have brains--they aren't just regurgitating the rumors that have been spread about this bill. This was refreshing and sort of interesting.
TRN doesn't want debate, it wants to push it's pro-gov health care agenda. Jay didn't just ask questions, he debated the answers. I'm not Canadian, and I don't like Canadians pushing their socialized crap in the US. The difference between corp health care and gov health care is the gov can use force to make you comply. Corps have to use fraud. If gov missuses you personal info there's not much you can do about it. You can sue corps for misuse of private info. Just say no to big gov takeover.
Between big corps and big government, the lesser of the two evils is big corps because the latter would legitimize evil and enforce it by fascism. At least with big corps we have an illusion of freedom even though behind the scene big corps and big gov work together. Thomas Jefferson has a quote that goes like but instead compare thieves and government.
You can sue to governemnt as well! Check your history, plenty of cases have been won by citizens who sued the government (can't think of any right now).
Gov enjoys what is referred to as qualified immunity. That means you have to get permission to sue the gov, and only in limited circumstances; e.g, gross misconduct resulting in substantial harm. Most of the time you can't just up and sue the gov. If a gov agent were to use your personal information for personal gain, and you were harmed by that, you could sue him, but not the gov.
There are few circumstances where you can sue the gov directly. Say the gov builds a road. It hires contractors to do the work. The contractor fails to warn the public or to adequately protect the public, and someone has an accident directly related to the road construction. You can sue the contractor, but you can't sue the gov. That's the general rule. I can't think of one instance where the gov is primarily liable. There may be an instance, but I'm unaware of it.
Until there is health care for all, the system is unacceptable. health insurance corporations do not care about your health, they care about their profits. If YOU come between them and their profits you are likely to be dropped to save a fraction of a percent on their profits. SINGLE PAYER is the only option. Health insurance corporations don't care about you, its time you stop defending them.
I think the guy at the end sums it up the best, if Americans want to reduce their healthcare costs, then i think it requires more of a social change to their lifestyles and diet. Higher costs are a result of these lifestyles.
most AMericans work because they have to, and have no time to diet. Hell a lot of americans can barely afford things like fresh fruits and vegetables. Now it also depends on where you live. Most obese americans live in the south, and yes in the south finding a fresh produce retailer is quite a hard thing. And if you buy healthy be prepared to spend more for less. Most poor to working class Americans simply cannot afford that. Obesity in America is related to poverty.
I fully agree with you, but its still a major issue in american society, which i believe may contribute to higher health care costs. It goes back to the monetary influenced agriculture sector in america, quantity over quality.
Do you want a real shocker ... over 40% of the costs of health care are automobile related accidents. Not the deaths ... but the permanent injuries. One happens in America every 4 minutes. ... go figure.
dosnt surprise me at all, though in Canada there is real problem with street racing, and bad driving behaviour in general will increase insurance costs in a privatized system. it all goes back the need of a social change in america, only that will ultimately bring down healthcare and auto insurance costs.
not everone pays taxes, and i never said i didnt believe in universal healthcare, i actually support the universal system in canada, and what do you mean not really? dosnt bad driving behaviour rise insurance costs? how about not slandering me about nothing. I abslutly against the whole idea of street racing, too many innnocent people have died in my hometown.
I was born and raised in Canada, and our healthcare system is great, my mother was diagnosed with a rare blood cancer, and recieved treatment within two weeks, and even more recently, my grandmother had her second heart attack and was given world class treatment, a one month stay, surgery and round the clock nurse attention. Our systems needs more funding but is still is in the right, Americans should adopt a UNIVERSAL, not socialist healthcare systems.
Recent National Polls indicate that 86% of pro-lifers are in support of the public option plan as they believe it is the best way to provide affordable care for bother mother and baby. This makes a lot of sense.
Anyone who is confused about the public option and would like some honest information should visit the comment section of my profile. I have lots of resources there including a link to the ez to read version of the bill sent out by congress as well as the long version and so much more.
Those who bitch about tort reform have obviously never had a surgeon that screwed up so badly that it has altered the quality of life for the patient/victim. Trust me if one of these bufoons had a botched surgery they too would run to a lawyer. Just another distraction from the real issue, insurance companies are more concerned with their profits than your health.
No kidding! I took a fall from my horse 32 years ago, broke my pelvic and messed up all the lower disks in my back. I have great insurance, so they wanted to operate right away; said I would never be right again, or heal unless I had the surgery.
I said NO!
Now I am 60, my back is fine, and I am still riding my horses. (smile)
My friend wasnt so lucky; she had the operation, had to give up her horses, and cant even lift 20 lbs now.
I want National Health care, as that will weed out these stinking, greedy asswipes that become doctors just to make the big bucks.
I have great health insurance, and I remember when doctors used to care about the people they treated, they don't anymore. Now they are just greedy pimps for that whore Big Pharma!
I want doctors that become doctors because they CARE about people, not because they want to be rich!
You mean you want a doctor's shortage and the ones that are there have to abide to government regulations. In other words: you rather want to be healed by a bureaucrat rather than a doctor. Conclusion: you do not respect your self, your health and your freedoms. You are a slave. You don't deserve freedom because you are all to eager to give it up for security. You are not a human being but a sheep. Cattle to be used as pleased by politicians.
Did you read the news today. Public hospital food in the UK is worse than prison food. You understand what I mean with when you give up freedom you get what you deserve: cattle food. As soon as politicians universalized healthcare they will move on to other things they can score with, and healthcare is left to rot.
that is such a load of bullshit asalade. the quality of food at a hospital in Europe has no bearing on the ability for all to access health care. get real.
lol god forbid you have some bad food right ? at least your on your way to recovery
lol im over this world i really am .... only been on it for 19 years and i want it to be over with ... or take a time machine.... maybe i can earn an epic sword fight death or get eaten by a dinosaur rather than dieing of some sort of disease
dude just leave America. Trust me many Americans have done it. I did it, and I am actually going to be doing it again once I get my degree. Simply because once I do graduate from university I will lose my insurance, and the only other way to be covered might be to just find a job or goto graduate school in another developed country. Lived a much healthier lifestyle when I did that anyway. The US is shooting itself in the foot. The trick is ppl want you to stay to be stuck with them. fuck them!
lol i live in canada :D lucky for me i dont have to worry about all this ... still sucks to watch it all go down >.> to know what the rest of the world has to deal with ... i may have problems in my country but ive isolated myself to the internet so :P
How's that? I lived there for 7 years, had plenty of access to just about anything I wanted to eat, for a reasonable price (I was on miminum wage, so I know what I'm talking about) and could even afford good organic food, so what do you mean? Do you mean restaurants are pretty bad?
"As soon as politicians universalized healthcare they will move on to other things they can score with, and healthcare is left to rot."
I lived in the UK for 3 years and used the NHS several times. The service was excellent and it's been running since about 1950 so obviously it hasn't been "left to rot".
I concur, the NHS offers great service, even to non-UK citizens. A cousin of mine, a US citizen, was staying with me in London and the NHS provided him with excelent free service in an emergency, apparantly he was intoxicated and needed to be treated, free of charge, paid for by MY tax money. Which I think is a good thing, incidently. No need to rob a bank, or leave an unpaid debt that causes more harm to the system.
Fuc# sake! America's system is soo far gone! They need to almost wipe tye slate clean and start again..
RogueAutomotive 2 years ago
Look at all the stupid lap-dogs for the rich.
Like the filthy rich insurance CEOs give a shit about them. America the stupid.
rickbar123 2 years ago
Support HR 676, medicare for all. Single payer. The most effective cost system. Kill private insurance, who needs them. All you need is you your doctor and a payer, 4% for government or 30% for private insurance.
Spytheweb 2 years ago 4
right on
rickbar123 2 years ago
you dont know the half of it.
rring88 2 years ago
Obama gave his most deeply felt vision of America, delivering the boldest social democratic manifesto ever issued by a U.S. president. In American politics, you can't get more left than that speech and still be on the playing field.
dkkght46 2 years ago
guy at the end says it's about control. he doesn't trust gov't or big corporations because both curb his freedom. but what if the gov't wants to control big corp and small business by mandating healthcare? isn't that a good kind of control that doesn't protrude into personal freedom?
Thizzmotion 2 years ago
What you describe is basically communism and it's disastrous to the economy as well as personal freedoms. The system now in place is corporatism, which is basically the big corps having enough political power to enact legislation that helps *them*. Also very disastrous.
There should be no political interference in healthcare at all. Remember politicians are mostly helping themselves, not you. They are no angels but just humans who want to live the good life... at your expense and tax dollars
asalade 2 years ago
what i describe is Big Brother forcing corporations like walmart and profitable small business to buy healthcare for the millions of uninsured workers. currently, there is no political interference, but there is also no healthcare for millions. what i describe is not communism, but effective gov't policy on an unregulated industry. tell me, which industry in america ISN'T REGULATED? if you think there "shouldn't" be ANY political interference then lets all vote for ron paul in 2012. i'm serious
Thizzmotion 2 years ago
Forcing business to pay for the insurrance for their workers is bad too. In the first place "forcing" already means you are taking personal freedoms away and in the second place it just means corps will employ less workers, move their busness elsewhere and prices will definitely go up. Every regulation has the effect that people are going to avoid it and new regulation is required, more freedoms are taken away and so on. In the end everyone but the regulators are worse off. Yes vote Paul
asalade 2 years ago
i agree with that. i hate regulatory institutions. but what do u do about established institutions like the dmv or ins or irs? do u think all institutions are bad? i guess what i'm trying to say is, realistically, the gov't is growing bigger- democrats trying to get healthcare, and republicans have the defense industry. either way, both parties are for big government, except they're backed by different industries. i agree with republican political philosophy, but that is not what is happening...
Thizzmotion 2 years ago
So many stupid people opposing health care reform, lol!
Also check PBS Frontline report on different health care systems. There are a lot of private but better systems, like in Germany for example. It's not all government, but man, these people are stupid!
Renegen1 2 years ago
Reminds me of WWE. The statesmen are the wrestlers and the voters are the fans, complete with signs and thumbs down!
CharlieWhitesWig 2 years ago
It's hilarious to see righty's throwing around slogans like "dissent is American"
It's like the years 2001-2008 never even happened (see Ann Coulters book "Treason" if you don't know what I mean).. Or the anti-war protests of the sixties for that matter.
OCEANIA HAS ALWAYS BEEN AT WAR WITH EAST ASIA!
Neweddy24 2 years ago
GO SKINS!
Neweddy24 2 years ago
I wish Dean was President instead of Obama. Also we are still employing those private war profiteers under Obama.
captcrais101 2 years ago 2
We would be under Dean too.
Neweddy24 2 years ago
Dean is a real progressive not a blue dog. That is who he ran the DNC. Remember he critized the blue dogs. That is why he was a great DNC. He is a real liberal not a phony.
captcrais101 2 years ago
behaving like adults seems to be such a hard thing....
jakob0815 2 years ago
the current system is crap....i saw a video of a woman who DIED in a hospital waiting room in the US.....why not change things?....as for people not wanting to invest well, tell bill gates to show his true colours by investing in health care instead of african eugenics programs.......lets see what he says....
lumpfish99 2 years ago
The profiteering insurance companies obviously have such a strong lobby that they've brainwashed their stooly pigeons to the point they're brain dead. Why would we NOT want a public option? Why wouldn't we want insurance companies to have to compete for our healthcare dollars? Who says health insurance companies should even exist? Democrats, stop cowtowing to the GOP! And GOP, take your clashing cymbals to another arena, you will lose your battle to divide and conquer, BLAH!
desertjournalonline 2 years ago
Health Care = Death Care
Death Care = Profits for the Rich
Get a life, exercise, eat healthy foods, and quit your stressful job, quit being the good consumer, quit taking part in the complicity that will ultimately ruin us. Take no part whatsoever, give no credence to the beast. The Lord Giveth, The Lord Taketh Away!
desertjournalonline 2 years ago
very staged event, in my opinion....!!??!!
tepstolog 2 years ago
You need a louder mic. Shout to be heard. The public option *is* the compromise. That lady was lying about France. Why didn't Dean correct her? It's not that they don't trust government, they only trust feudalist government. Plus it is a public *option*, if you don't like it don't use it.
jotunobsidianeyes 2 years ago
what a douche bag at the end , that republican used a scenario then didn't even have any facts. Down syndrome baby not being covered?? What the fuck is he talking about. WHAT A FUCKTARD!
Isaac707 2 years ago
To everyone who argues that socialised medicine will lead to abortions of down-syndrome babies (who will, over their lives, burden the socialised medical system disproportionately):
Consider:
Public Education does not refuse to educate the retarded because they don't qualify on some cost-benefit analysis. This is because public institutions are mandated to consider mor than the bottom-line.
Which type of institutions place priority on bottom-line? Private. So please reconsider.
papalosopher 2 years ago
As long as people are willing to pay for the education or care of their mentally retarded children, private enterprise will do a much bettter job at it, and is cheaper overall because of efficiency and because private enterprise with regards to retarded people is usually based on charity. The care goes down and costs go up when people want government to take care of their retards because govt. is inefficient (unnecessary management layers) and impersonal (retards are numbers, not people)
asalade 2 years ago
asalade: you're attacking the poor that government services will go down in quality..there has never been any precidence or proof of that.....in fact there is more proof that medicine and healthcare for all does workin in many 1st world countries...
MajNorberg 2 years ago
Asalade: I've been reading your comments to this vid and I must say although I disagree with you, you are very intelligent and make your points well. I rarely see people making such insightful distinctions between corporatism and socialism. Kudos.
As for your reply to me: You must agree that the idea that current private enterprise is not mor efficient than the public services.
Also, historically, charities do a bad job at comprehensive welfare programs. I will continue:
papalosopher 2 years ago
I'm not sure which distinction I made. Ultimately socialism is the extreme version of corporatism where there is just one big corporation that does not have to worry about competition. It just comes down to political power regarding quality and quantity of healthcare then. Yes I admit public healthcare can be decent, but in the political environment of the US? I think not. And then I'm not even covering the principles of freedom, which is my main objection to this, and many other things
asalade 2 years ago
"It just comes down to political power regarding quality and quantity of healthcare then."
(And money of course)
asalade 2 years ago
As for charities doing a bad job at comprehensive welfare programs. I don't believe comprehensive welfare programs are necessary. Most people can take care of themselves as long as they aren't held down by regulations. And most importantly (replying to your pm: if there is no private initiative to help these people, there wouldn't be any political initiative either--and if there is private initiative, political initiative is not necessary as long as the private is not held down
asalade 2 years ago
(continued) and the only reason to hold down private intitiative is for politicians to gain political power and for corporations to eliminate competition. Beware when a politician uses excuses like "ensuring quality standards" or "it's for the public good" when he wants to enact a new law. He means it's good for him and a corporation thatt lobbied his ass.
asalade 2 years ago
shit man if we didnt have to pay taxes we wouldnt need welfare and i can almost guarantee it be no poverty
Bluedash3r 2 years ago 2
There would probably be poverty, but mostly for the people who 'deserve' it by taking big risks that bankrupt them. Or by being really lazy. Or by, as said, being incapable of working themselves. But there would be no large scale government created poverty like we see now all around the world, where even self responsible people are punished by having to pay for the losses of the irresponsible.
asalade 2 years ago
This is a reply to Asalade's "As for charities..." reply.
You say "Most people can take care of themselves..." what about those who can't? I suspect you will say in a free and liberal society without the state getting in the way, volunteer will provide adequate help.
And we did, before the development of the welfare state, do just that... for our cousins, coreligionists, and friends. If your community did not have the resources to help you when you were down and out, you were screwed.
papalosopher 2 years ago
I more or less covered this in the same reply. If there is no private initiative, why would there be public initiative? After all, public initiative come from the minds of normal people, and if these people want to take care of the disabled why not do it themselves rather than to force others to do it and pay for it through legislation? I.e. if you really care about the disabled, help one or two yourself instead of "outsourcing" it to a government. This is true socialism.
asalade 2 years ago
damn them against killing unborn babies.
jahguy7 2 years ago
Real News Should Tweeter it opens up there media market and expands them.
EmeterioBetances 2 years ago
...police and fire department are for all and serve community...so should health care.
MajNorberg 2 years ago
i agree, fire services used to be private. you need a type of badge on your mail box or front door to get any help...if you didn't have one or didn't have the right one than the fire was left alone. the government realized this was stupid as hell and made it a social institution
blugreenblu 2 years ago
Heath care is a RIGHT and was deemed legally so in every western nation but the U.S. We are the only civilized nation in the western world that doesn't have access to medicare for all.
But on the other hand we have the costliest most expensive medical care and medicine in the world.And we're not even close to the best care in the world. According to world health figures we're not close to number one in just about anything when it concerns ones health overall.
crowmd1 2 years ago
crowmd1: that's because corporate medicine can charge all they want......that's why it's expensive...but it doesn't have to be like it is now....and there is no "war"...it's the corporate giants of medicare that are hidden in this debate.
MajNorberg 2 years ago
very good report.
Lucem2 2 years ago
Republicans like to watch people die that can't afford healthcare.
themanyouwishyouwere 2 years ago
Republicans want the 20000 plus people that die every year because they don't have healthcare to continue.
themanyouwishyouwere 2 years ago
2010
BlueSkies360 2 years ago
Federal Reserve has no transparency or oversight....don't u americans want to know where your money is going?....
MajNorberg 2 years ago
A large group of Americans don't care anymore; they just want government to take care of them from the cradle to the grave--make all the hard decisions, and even make all the easy decisions--so they only need to worry about what's for dinner tomorrow.
These people are known as social-liberals and they are worthless
asalade 2 years ago
A large group of Americans don't care anymore; they just want the working class to take care of them from cradle to grave-do all the hard work, increase their profits-so they only need to worry about collecting their dividends.
These people are known as capitalists and they are worthless.
ZakeD3 2 years ago
What I agree with is that the current system (corporatism) isn't good (understatement) either, but going towards socialism will only make it (corporatism) worse. Capitalism is not bad, as long as the market is open and there are no rules that limit you from working yourself up in an honest way.
It's easy for politicians to score political points with reforms if times are bad and the people are desperate for any change, regardless of the actual outcome of that change. Way too easy.
asalade 2 years ago
asalade: there's also a large and ever growing population who also care about the morality of America....it's what makes America great...
thank the American people for putting away people like Bernard Madoff who corrupt the system...and that's just the beginning...
It's difficult jail those who are corrupt in other parts of the world...but in America and western countries...it can be done ..and more so now!
MajNorberg 2 years ago
What has this to do with what I wrote? What is morality? Thy shalt not steal? Madoff stole and is put in jail for that. Government steals... and what happens? As a reward of its failure it gets even more power from these liberals in order to steal even more. Morality and government cannot coexist
asalade 2 years ago
asalade: "What has this to do with what I wrote?"
absolutely nothing I hope.
MajNorberg 2 years ago
talk about a mob, sheesh
randompal 2 years ago
now i know how right wing propoganda & disinformation changed Germany.
GWBushsuks 2 years ago
"how can I trust congress and the government
to run my health care program" Well, should we go through the page long list of things the
government runs in our lives right now? Funny how these people trust their parents to Gov. run medicare!! The same people told us that we should trust GWB and Co. to keep us safe from terrorism, after the worst terrorist attack in U.S. history happened on their watch. Boy, it's never hard to spot the conservatives by their non-stop circular logic, is it!? lol
bigge525 2 years ago
eww i don't like ol' girl's haircut at the beginning. i can't tell if she's ugly or not but i'm willing to give her the benefit of the doubt because that hair is just awful
oggleman 2 years ago
God, she's ugly...
andyKCIUK 2 years ago
I love people that freak out about "loss of freedom" with health care reform, totally forgetting that Dubya shredded the Constitution after wiping his ass with it. The Patriot Act destroyed more freedom and privacy than any sort of health care reform ever could.
areageek 2 years ago 3
Yeah nobody is complaining about that one
Retard
asalade 2 years ago
HR 676 Now!
areageek 2 years ago
we don't care about OVERALL mortality rate. stay out of my health care. give me back my VOTE DNC. Howie Dean sucks Obama's dick embarrassingly hard. sell your Crapcare to the kiddies Howie! you fascist PIG
VoLtairesCANdida 2 years ago
The lady thinks that the private corporations won't tamper with her privacy :-)
Really funny.
mohasham 2 years ago
Im sad I was eating my dinner when I saw this woman's face.
jclayton59466 2 years ago 2
"GET HIM OUT GET HIM OUT!
fuck I love mob rule. when it sprouts up
oldhacks 2 years ago
anyone thats against medicare for all should be stripped of their health insurance
oldhacks 2 years ago
perhaps what the scariest part is that man seems to be using logic! He admits that it's bad under corporations but "it's better" than government run.
It's not better for millions that are uninsured. Oh wait!
it's better for him! Oh I get it! Fuck everyone else! I have it already and don't want to risk ANY complications for me just to insure other "unresponsable lowlifes"!! It's "rational selfishness" a classic (and putrid) american trait.
pathetic. pathetic. pathetic.
mige23 2 years ago
the government should just build a national system of hospitals and out patient clinics and give all citizens free care at these facilities. People can keep their insurance doctors are still in charge of their private practices.
HPaillet 2 years ago
Where is your stream gone? It's offline :(
Obama is just right about helping the poor, the weaak and the ill by a governmental social health care plan-
youa2adi 2 years ago
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dkkght46 2 years ago
Yes...we need reform but "dont take it apart"?
So basically keep the crooks and corrupt heartless disgusting insurance company CEO in power of our lives!!!
Give me a break...
barbcinque 2 years ago
these insurance CEOs are denying rightful claims that kill dozens of americans a day!!!!! They make pp fear healthcare reform in order to protect their huge and expanded profits, continuing this pay-or-die system that has plagued this country for decades, a system that takes 20,000 lives a year, according to the Institute of Medicine of the Nat. Academy of Sci. Thats about sixty people who die every day. OR nationalized healthcare where the CEO and his greed are cut out of the equation.
barbcinque 2 years ago
I have listened to the debate, and many of the arguments are . . . tangential to the entire debate. The whole mortality issue is a non-issue, really. That is Population Medicine, not healthcare.
dsmoya31410 2 years ago
You can't sue the government with success.
chewbaca1989 2 years ago
Can't afford it.
No money.
Demagoguery.
chewbaca1989 2 years ago
Like how that one Republican nit-wit threw out false scenarios [downs syndromes fetus and gov't push for abortions] preaching them as TRUTHS, until Paul Jay put him on the spot and exposed his LIES. Nice work RealNews! Keep it going!
Vast majority of Americans want Single-Payer coverage. Its time we politically push back all these Fear-Mongering Neo-Con Republican Zombies that are funded by Insurance companies.
Its time to have our voices heard!
yo1dude1man 2 years ago
That's bullshit, self serving polls. It's all hogwash.
Newsflash, raging on the Neo-Cons won't help you when Obama is running the same government to the man.
chewbaca1989 2 years ago
Its not BullShit! Most Americans do want Single-Payer. Its just that FOX news only gives 90% of TV time to those who are against Obama's program, Dis-INFO agents like Rush Limbaugh spread fear based lies, while Insurance giants funnel money to these media providing large payments.
Here's another TRUTH that is confirm accurate - Insurance Giants are spending 1.4 million a day [A DAY!] to defeat the Obama Program. That's insane! Why can't they give this money to people who are sick or dying?
yo1dude1man 2 years ago
Even if "most" Americans wanted something for free it doesn't make it right. That just doesn't make sense.
I see media supporting Obama more than anything, save one and that's Faux. Luckily you live in a Republic still and boy, that just brings a smile to my face. $1.4 a day? And what does Obama care get in good coverage for free, like Cenk here?
You can't have our monetary system and expect single payer.
That's the FACT, and why Dems are abandoning the President, reason not abandoning them.
chewbaca1989 2 years ago
I didn't say it wasn't bullshit. I said if most Americans want something for free it doesn't make it right.
You live in a Republic still you better remember that.
chewbaca1989 2 years ago
Its not about free handouts its about creating more economic prosperity & social harmony.
Public Roads resulted in moving products to market more rapidly to all corners of our nation. Public Schools creates a work force with [at least] basic skills for all job sectors and even creating new job skills. You cannot deny that Federal funds that paid for the 2 had some positive results.
Public Health Care will keep our work force healthy, take financial pressure off companies, & lower product cost.
yo1dude1man 2 years ago
"Public Health Care will keep our work force healthy, take financial pressure off companies, & lower product cost."
That's the problem. The US or any country is not a corporation, it's a piece of land with people on it who ought to be free--not managed by a government for the purpose of increasing its own power and wealth. Talking in terms of Work Force is something a corporate management would do, not someone who respects individual rights.
asalade 2 years ago
Our transit system is one of the worst for a industrialized country, since the Fed has been involved in Public schools the grades have dropped faster than the dollars value when Nixon dismantled Brenton Woods fractional gold reserve banking.
So when the Fed can do something right I might have some sympathy for you opinion,
chewbaca1989 2 years ago
Yes our Public Roads & Schools aren't perfect, but they are effective. Wife & I graduated from Public Schools. We have decent jobs. Driven for over 25 years & never crash into a crater.
How about the Military which eats up 55% of the budge? Have 1,000 overseas bases & nuclear weapons to wipe the earth 7 times. Money well spent?
Gold standard won't work, ask the Romans.
Only a Fiat currency like Lincoln's Greenback will work. Which is a currency struck & valued by Congress ONLY. Not by Banks.
yo1dude1man 2 years ago
Ask the Romans before or after /their emperors started to debase their currency
asalade 2 years ago
You just made my point. Teh government has proven inept in the few segments they have been alowed to interfere. You have no argument with me on the military spending.
Rome's denarius was debased, when the Vandals stopped being paid in silver they sacked the Empire.
Your dollar is worth as much as people believe it's worth.
Economically the worse is yet to come.
I'm leaning to your side on the greenback.
chewbaca1989 2 years ago
With this current free-market private insurance [your "LIFE" is a COMMODITY not a RIGHT] system -
6 Americans are DIE each day because they had no access to high cost insurance thus no access to good medical attention.
This is flat out wrong.
55% of our annual Federal budget goes toward Military.
45% goes toward Non-Military [everything else]
Why not drop Military to 45% and shift the 10% to Health Coverage? Do we need 1,000 oversea bases?
yo1dude1man 2 years ago 5
Hey your sounding like that conservative loon, Ron Paul.
chewbaca1989 2 years ago
Thanks Real News! More Healthcare coverage please!
MrPlaid81 2 years ago 2
Seeing Randall Terry tazed would be for great viewing.
Trollmaster21 2 years ago
What does partisan bickering accomplish other than divide?
VexRiot 2 years ago
Some people value their privacy. Strange isn't it?
VexRiot 2 years ago
It will only pass if it benefits GoldmanSachs.
hamletundone 2 years ago
eeww...that woman looks like Kirk Cameron lol.
rickydepths1 2 years ago
some people dont live in the real world
elstonieo 2 years ago
Why do people hate public health care so much? its doing great in many nations .
jordler 2 years ago
People don't hate it. Look up the polls, the overwhelming majority of the U.S. people want single-payer no private ANYTHING public health care. Unfortunately Obama's plan does not do what the public wants, a nationalized healthcare system with no private institutions sucking the life out of the public like the rest of the world has. It is just more bullshit making the insurance companies rich off taxpayer money.
SINGLE PAYER NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
bootleg42 2 years ago
Frank Luntz, that's what I see when I hear a poll.
Hey, fuck you Frank.
chewbaca1989 2 years ago
Ask George Lakoff he knows.
MrPlaid81 2 years ago
I think both system sucks, but the one in Canada is better...
unab84 2 years ago
i don't want the government knowing stuff about me because they will use it to control me. but i'm perfectly fine with multinational corporations having and exchanging my personal information. the private health industry wants to help everyone, and they expect NOTHING in return.
deliciousmorton 2 years ago 4
Dude I just love these town hall meetings. Every time they excite me to live in a democracy. Seriously watch this and consider what is happening.
awerner2007 2 years ago
This was a very good video!
ZingZee123456789 2 years ago
If they could give the same energy asking for the truth about 9/11.
usergently 2 years ago
has anyone figured out what if there was no
one to supply you with insurance or care or both, and nobody felt the need to organise roads, food, or shelter?
what about the tent cities? do you think that your "oh so cool capitalistisc"-"we are a republic" works good there? that is your HC-system in small, and face it; the shit is all over the place!
Realizalize 2 years ago
American savages.
PersianMarxist 2 years ago
I wish this many people would get together and look for Obama's birth certificate.
midwestcharm 2 years ago
I wish we could get together and search for your klan sheets and hood.
Girlforaction 2 years ago
WE should all go look for it together and not work until WE have it.
KMAMK123 2 years ago
IF Repeated enough, you could believe in your own lies, AND the perception of reality
"Government can put down your "Down Syndrome" Child"
(shaking head)
teleutube 2 years ago
Health care is not a right. Housing is not a right. Obama zombies need to start reading the constitution because we were founded as a REPUBLIC. These idiot democrats and neo-cons who want to socialize every single thing need to be kicked out. If Americans want to stop being sick, then they need to go on a diet and start working out so that they won't have a high chance of getting disease or being obese, which relates to so many deaths each year too, because obese get more diseases.
JackNeedles 2 years ago
commenting, youtube and ignorance aren`t rights either.
Realizalize 2 years ago
No, but Youtube is something you pay to use, just like a Doctors service. Ignorance is a right. It's not a good thing, but if someone wants to remain ignorant or abuse their freedoms, then that is their right to do so as long as they aren't hurting anyone else.
JackNeedles 2 years ago
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ZakeD3 2 years ago
You need to start looking at history because we were also founded as a country where no one but the richest 20 percent of male adults could vote and where slavery was legal. Not exactly a good argument.
Times change. Rights change.
ZakeD3 2 years ago
Last I checked, home prices were much cheaper 30 years ago. Last I checked, the Dollar was stronger 60 years ago. How is that a better environment for only few rich people? Basic rights do not change. Saying we have a right to health care is like saying we have a right to housing and free food. No, you have to work to get it. Your point makes no sense whatsoever. 100 years ago, I did not have to pay the income tax. 100 years ago, I would have had more wealth.
JackNeedles 2 years ago
That's because you missed the point entirely. You were arguing that we shouldn't argue for public health care because our founding fathers didn't intend for it. They also didn't intend for blacks, women, or the poorest 80% of white males to have suffrage. Does that mean you shouldn't support womens suffrage? So back to my point: not exactly a good argument.
Health care is not right, but many people think it should be, and many are working to get it, such as the hundreds of people in this video
ZakeD3 2 years ago
How do you think there is going to be an option? You are going to tax the people who have insurance to pay for those who elect the goverment plan? Why would I lose money? When I'll elect the free plan and still make the same money. So in the end it will be all goverment which is what Obama he really wants anyway. These people have to realize that nothing is free.
Truthinmidamerica 2 years ago
No, that is not what I said. Please show me where I said that. Funny how you try to use trick words. I never said anything against public health care. I am saying that health care is not a right and I am not for socialized medicine. People complain about the prices but thats because the gov. is in the way. I don't care what people think. Some ignorant people also think that housing should be a right, but that does not make it right.
JackNeedles 2 years ago
This is truely the debate one's life time.
It reflects the American "culture" and "Ideology"
well said.
teleutube 2 years ago
IM SCARED AND I DONT KNOW WHY!!!
the new motto of the rebublican party.
charbroiledmonk1033 2 years ago
The MSM is horrible. They showed a short little snipped of this townhall on CNN and the only thing they showed was the abortion guy getting kicked out. CNN made it look like a complete a total circus.
But looking at this you actually see that people on both sides, though passionate at times, were asking good questions.
I will be contibuting your channel. The difference between coverage is glarring and it's also disgusting when you think that most people will see CNN but never see this.
scampbell04 2 years ago 2
The Roman emperors had it right 2,000 years ago...the poor and downtrodden can be easily distracted with staged events....back then it was lions ripping people apart live in giant coliseums...Now it's staged events like these from the health insurance industry.
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A post from Alternet: These yellers and ranters lost an election. They didn't have any power to begin with, but they lost the delusion of power. They are like wounded, cornered animals, snarling and slashing.
johnlouisville 2 years ago
"Get them OUT!"
The guy at 7:00 is right on!
siradam575 2 years ago
Some of the town hall goers actually have brains--they aren't just regurgitating the rumors that have been spread about this bill. This was refreshing and sort of interesting.
Luv4Learning 2 years ago
OMG, these people scare me.
btigtime2 2 years ago
This is by far the best, most complete and fair treatment of healthcare town halls I have seen.
Realnews deserves a contribution. I have sent mine...
SubmarinerAndroid 2 years ago
Did I hear more cheers than boos? Am I hallucinating?
magiorey 2 years ago
"Did I hear more cheers than boos?"
Yes you did. The full meeting is shown at MoxNewsDotCom YouTube channel. 12 parts, uncut full coverage.
PardoDub 2 years ago
howard the duck
MNtruthSeeker 2 years ago
Holy shit, the host owned that bearded guy at the end.
oraqol 2 years ago
real news is awesome
dankbot420 2 years ago
TRN doesn't want debate, it wants to push it's pro-gov health care agenda. Jay didn't just ask questions, he debated the answers. I'm not Canadian, and I don't like Canadians pushing their socialized crap in the US. The difference between corp health care and gov health care is the gov can use force to make you comply. Corps have to use fraud. If gov missuses you personal info there's not much you can do about it. You can sue corps for misuse of private info. Just say no to big gov takeover.
bbburton 2 years ago
Between big corps and big government, the lesser of the two evils is big corps because the latter would legitimize evil and enforce it by fascism. At least with big corps we have an illusion of freedom even though behind the scene big corps and big gov work together. Thomas Jefferson has a quote that goes like but instead compare thieves and government.
VexRiot 2 years ago
You can sue to governemnt as well! Check your history, plenty of cases have been won by citizens who sued the government (can't think of any right now).
magiorey 2 years ago
Gov enjoys what is referred to as qualified immunity. That means you have to get permission to sue the gov, and only in limited circumstances; e.g, gross misconduct resulting in substantial harm. Most of the time you can't just up and sue the gov. If a gov agent were to use your personal information for personal gain, and you were harmed by that, you could sue him, but not the gov.
bbburton 2 years ago 2
Can't you sue the govt. if their agent is found guilty of misconduct?
magiorey 2 years ago
There are few circumstances where you can sue the gov directly. Say the gov builds a road. It hires contractors to do the work. The contractor fails to warn the public or to adequately protect the public, and someone has an accident directly related to the road construction. You can sue the contractor, but you can't sue the gov. That's the general rule. I can't think of one instance where the gov is primarily liable. There may be an instance, but I'm unaware of it.
bbburton 2 years ago
I did NOT know that. Thanks for the info, always good to learn something new...
magiorey 2 years ago
Government is too incompetent to run a war never mind healthcare.
Not one government program operates in the black. In the end taxpayers will end up with nothing.
boots920 2 years ago 2
Until there is health care for all, the system is unacceptable. health insurance corporations do not care about your health, they care about their profits. If YOU come between them and their profits you are likely to be dropped to save a fraction of a percent on their profits. SINGLE PAYER is the only option. Health insurance corporations don't care about you, its time you stop defending them.
thisoldhate 2 years ago
lol, We do have good beer.
darktoadthesticky 2 years ago
What a waist of time....
And time is a commodity we are quickly running out of...
The government has run into the ground everything it has tried to control...
nasanction 2 years ago
I think the guy at the end sums it up the best, if Americans want to reduce their healthcare costs, then i think it requires more of a social change to their lifestyles and diet. Higher costs are a result of these lifestyles.
sweetpete420 2 years ago
most AMericans work because they have to, and have no time to diet. Hell a lot of americans can barely afford things like fresh fruits and vegetables. Now it also depends on where you live. Most obese americans live in the south, and yes in the south finding a fresh produce retailer is quite a hard thing. And if you buy healthy be prepared to spend more for less. Most poor to working class Americans simply cannot afford that. Obesity in America is related to poverty.
lordblazer 2 years ago
I fully agree with you, but its still a major issue in american society, which i believe may contribute to higher health care costs. It goes back to the monetary influenced agriculture sector in america, quantity over quality.
sweetpete420 2 years ago
Do you want a real shocker ... over 40% of the costs of health care are automobile related accidents. Not the deaths ... but the permanent injuries. One happens in America every 4 minutes. ... go figure.
hassleoffa 2 years ago
dosnt surprise me at all, though in Canada there is real problem with street racing, and bad driving behaviour in general will increase insurance costs in a privatized system. it all goes back the need of a social change in america, only that will ultimately bring down healthcare and auto insurance costs.
sweetpete420 2 years ago
sweetpete420: not really...and stop watching fast and the furious..
everyone pays taxes so everyone deserves health care.....period.
MajNorberg 2 years ago
not everone pays taxes, and i never said i didnt believe in universal healthcare, i actually support the universal system in canada, and what do you mean not really? dosnt bad driving behaviour rise insurance costs? how about not slandering me about nothing. I abslutly against the whole idea of street racing, too many innnocent people have died in my hometown.
sweetpete420 2 years ago
I was born and raised in Canada, and our healthcare system is great, my mother was diagnosed with a rare blood cancer, and recieved treatment within two weeks, and even more recently, my grandmother had her second heart attack and was given world class treatment, a one month stay, surgery and round the clock nurse attention. Our systems needs more funding but is still is in the right, Americans should adopt a UNIVERSAL, not socialist healthcare systems.
sweetpete420 2 years ago 4
Recent National Polls indicate that 86% of pro-lifers are in support of the public option plan as they believe it is the best way to provide affordable care for bother mother and baby. This makes a lot of sense.
Smartassawhip 2 years ago 3
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Smartassawhip 2 years ago
Those who bitch about tort reform have obviously never had a surgeon that screwed up so badly that it has altered the quality of life for the patient/victim. Trust me if one of these bufoons had a botched surgery they too would run to a lawyer. Just another distraction from the real issue, insurance companies are more concerned with their profits than your health.
trauts01 2 years ago 4
trauts,
No kidding! I took a fall from my horse 32 years ago, broke my pelvic and messed up all the lower disks in my back. I have great insurance, so they wanted to operate right away; said I would never be right again, or heal unless I had the surgery.
I said NO!
Now I am 60, my back is fine, and I am still riding my horses. (smile)
My friend wasnt so lucky; she had the operation, had to give up her horses, and cant even lift 20 lbs now.
I still stack my own hay. (grin)
wiskawind 2 years ago
Great Video!!!
Single Payer All The WAY!!!!!
TheWayISeeIt1982 2 years ago
This is the only country where people protest things that would benefit them...
How sad...
JSparkleZ2 2 years ago
America - the land where people want to monetize every aspect of life, and steal any chance to make a quick buck.
You're a disgrace.
PersianPaladin 2 years ago 2
If i had any money at all, I'd be donating. I love this coverage so much.
Ccolebrooked 2 years ago 3
High quality reporting there. One would be hard-pressed to find lengthy, honest, probing discussion on, say, a cable news broadcast.
jhip87 2 years ago
I want National Health care, as that will weed out these stinking, greedy asswipes that become doctors just to make the big bucks.
I have great health insurance, and I remember when doctors used to care about the people they treated, they don't anymore. Now they are just greedy pimps for that whore Big Pharma!
I want doctors that become doctors because they CARE about people, not because they want to be rich!
wiskawind 2 years ago 2
You mean you want a doctor's shortage and the ones that are there have to abide to government regulations. In other words: you rather want to be healed by a bureaucrat rather than a doctor. Conclusion: you do not respect your self, your health and your freedoms. You are a slave. You don't deserve freedom because you are all to eager to give it up for security. You are not a human being but a sheep. Cattle to be used as pleased by politicians.
asalade 2 years ago
AssBrat,
"You mean you want a doctor's shortage"
NO, I want better doctors who become doctors, because they care about people, and not because they want to get rich!
If you have great insurance, as I do, they will try and test you for everything, if you dont, they could care less if you die!
wiskawind 2 years ago
Did you read the news today. Public hospital food in the UK is worse than prison food. You understand what I mean with when you give up freedom you get what you deserve: cattle food. As soon as politicians universalized healthcare they will move on to other things they can score with, and healthcare is left to rot.
asalade 2 years ago
that is such a load of bullshit asalade. the quality of food at a hospital in Europe has no bearing on the ability for all to access health care. get real.
thisoldhate 2 years ago 3
lol god forbid you have some bad food right ? at least your on your way to recovery
lol im over this world i really am .... only been on it for 19 years and i want it to be over with ... or take a time machine.... maybe i can earn an epic sword fight death or get eaten by a dinosaur rather than dieing of some sort of disease
steveo9001 2 years ago
dude just leave America. Trust me many Americans have done it. I did it, and I am actually going to be doing it again once I get my degree. Simply because once I do graduate from university I will lose my insurance, and the only other way to be covered might be to just find a job or goto graduate school in another developed country. Lived a much healthier lifestyle when I did that anyway. The US is shooting itself in the foot. The trick is ppl want you to stay to be stuck with them. fuck them!
lordblazer 2 years ago
lol i live in canada :D lucky for me i dont have to worry about all this ... still sucks to watch it all go down >.> to know what the rest of the world has to deal with ... i may have problems in my country but ive isolated myself to the internet so :P
steveo9001 2 years ago 2
UK food in general is pretty bad.
testmark1 2 years ago
How's that? I lived there for 7 years, had plenty of access to just about anything I wanted to eat, for a reasonable price (I was on miminum wage, so I know what I'm talking about) and could even afford good organic food, so what do you mean? Do you mean restaurants are pretty bad?
magiorey 2 years ago
assbrat,
Give me a break kid!
I havent heard anyone from the UK or Canada wanting to exchange our health care system for theirs. (grin)
Big Pharma, the doctors, and the insurance companies keep getting richer, while Americas children are dying because they have NO health care.
UNIVERSAL health care is the only way to go!
wiskawind 2 years ago 4
"As soon as politicians universalized healthcare they will move on to other things they can score with, and healthcare is left to rot."
I lived in the UK for 3 years and used the NHS several times. The service was excellent and it's been running since about 1950 so obviously it hasn't been "left to rot".
PardoDub 2 years ago 3
I concur, the NHS offers great service, even to non-UK citizens. A cousin of mine, a US citizen, was staying with me in London and the NHS provided him with excelent free service in an emergency, apparantly he was intoxicated and needed to be treated, free of charge, paid for by MY tax money. Which I think is a good thing, incidently. No need to rob a bank, or leave an unpaid debt that causes more harm to the system.
magiorey 2 years ago