LED HIGH POWERED 21 watt indoor lighting Light Emitting Diode vs Compact Fluorescent

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[xrledlight]

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[SayNo2ClosedMinds]

Wow! You can buy really big CFLs and LEDs in the US. The biggest CFL I have seen in the UK is 21w the biggest LED 9W. I just hope those big LEDs come here soon.

[mukwah1111]

Hi Wondering if you can advise/address basic lighting inside the home. Not light science stuff. I have track lighting in my kitchen that uses 7 lrg bulbs --and they burn out too often Each bulb is needed to throw decent kitchen light. Can I buy LED bulbs for that application? Thanks !

[mlasell]

Very interesting. Do you know if these LED lights can be used in greenhouses?

[ZeroFossilFuel]

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[tenoverten]

Great video There are many kinds of LED's

What is the type of LED's "part number" that gives a brighter "more light" and smaller size?

[akudlanov]

i really love the modern led lighting but one thing i noticed is that all the LED bulbs i worked with are more of a spot light. they do a poor job of throwing light in all direction. in agricultur this causes a problem. if light is not evenly spread out it will cause production problems. but a great thing about LED is that they dont fliker like all flurecent bulbs do. its not visible to a human eye but animals might get iritated if not taken care of.

[mbaharvard]

BTW, I have compact fluorescents in all of my lighting devices and I haven't changed a bulb in three years.

The LED's are quite interesting as a lower wattage alternative.

[mbaharvard]

Thanks for the information, Dan, much appreciated! :)

[syndrome95]

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The only major problem I have come across is the shape and style of the bulbs. For modern designed light fittings they are fine but many people still like to use old world style light fittings which makes replacement of incandescent lamps very difficult. Both CFL and LED replacements often wont fit or look ridiculas in old fittings.

The problem is the electronics needed to drop the voltage from mains to low voltage needed by the LED or in the case of CFL the coils and starter circuits

[ieldanth]

@syndrome95 In my experience, the starter is usually the first thing to go on fluorescents, with the ballast going out about once for every 10 starters, but they could be using weaker ballasts in CFLs.

Also, many manufacturers are starting to put lumen data as well as K on the packaging, as required by the DoE, in the form of a 'Lighting Facts' panel, at least here in the States.

[syndrome95]

@ieldanth Fair comment. I agree with you. Just been looking into the driver circuits needed to run bunches of leds from mains power. Seems like the quality/expense of the circuit can effect the life of the bulbs. I pulled one of my Chinese bulbs apart and the driver circuit was only built from passive components. Nice and cheap but the wattage of the lamp may be higher than it could be and mains voltage fluctuations could damage the LEDs Also cheap bulbs cannot be dimmed properly.

[DJMC5ive]

@syndrome95 You could use a computer power supply, they have 3.3, 5v 12v outs and produce pretty nice power quality. You could use pots, voltage divider/resistor etc, and have a pretty long lasting led lighting solution, Running low voltage lines to your own custom made led assemblies made with built with bulk leds. Dropping the current 80% of rated across an LED will really improve life too!. If you did it right, you might never see your led's fail!

[syndrome95]

Its true that led lamps are remarkable ands seem to be the only solution for low power lighting. Suppliers should really state the light power in lux as well as the colour temperature in kelvin so we can compare

CFL lamps definately make you feel uncomfortable and are not suitable in a room where you want to relax. It seems that China are the only country who can manufacture LED lamps economically so its only quality control that makes the difference between branded and non branded lamps.

[survivalweb]

the 68 watt bulb is what I have in my new exterior yard lights, works great and the light quality is as good as the sodium lights we originally had

[buzzsah]

Thanks for the info, it's been a big help. I will be adding 4 more group31deepcycles tomorrow and buy 6 of the lights shown. Your videos have been a big help, keep it up.

[freeenergynews]

Also with CFLs if they are visibly flickering, even a little, it can really bother someone with depression, and can be dangerous for certain types of epilepsy. Also they have very sharp peek spectra so this could lead to ticking eye lids and glaring your eyes !

[freeenergynews]

With CFLs some brands spare the needed cap at the input so they have a very bad power factor, so they will use up lots of reactive current which you also have to pay. Measure Cosine phi and you will see, some only have about 0.5 ! So they waste a lot of power !

[th3dig1tal0n3]

@freeenergynews Modern CFLs have electronic ballasts instead of inductive choke. Electronic ballasts have no reactive current, and do not need power factor correction.

[tabhorian]

Have you seen the ones that replace fluorescent tubes in standard ceiling straight tube fixtures? what do you think of them?

[tabhorian]

like this one on amazon

LED-fluorescent-replacement-ba­llast-Ledwholesalers/dp/B002P3­FQI6

[TheKlink]

ever thought of a flywheel battery?

[Buddyb309]

It looks like your holding a sun in your hands.

[Xianman06]

Excellent video, bro. Thanks for sharing what you've learned.

[freeenergynews]

CFLs are bad for your eyes as they generate a special bad mercury frequency that will

make your eyesight poorer over time and causes headaches, so don´t use CFLs. Better use the warm white LEDs like 2700K Kelvin color, don´t use the 7000 K pure white LEDs as they are also bad for your eyes. Philips has new LEDs that look like Halogen bulbs, very natural light. Halogen lights are still the best for your eyes, but also consume too much power, so the Philips LEDs are probably the best compromise.

[tabhorian]

@freeenergynews I've never heard that before. Have you got a link to some kind of peer reviewed study about that? I would like to read it.

[freeenergynews]

@tabhorian

Just work the whole day under Fluorescent light when it is dark outdoors like in December time and you will see, that you have after 10 hours of staying in the Fl light a headache and your eye sight will be dropped to shortsight for at least 1/2 of a dioptreen more... This was always the case in winter time when I still studied at the university here in Berlin Germany where they had this bad Fluorescent lighting allover the campus rooms...

[tabhorian]

@freeenergynews So its anecdotal then. I have worked in flourescent lighting my whole career (>30 years) and not had headaches because of that nor the people around me. It could be true that it happens in some cases. But as I say, I would be more inclined to pay attention if there were a peer reviewed study on something that would appear to have such wide repercussions.

The frequency in Germany is 50 hertz, but in the states it is 60 hertz. Perhaps that contributes to it more there.

[mustie1]

thanks for the vid, are there any problems with cold weather,,,

[kirivathanak]

Sir,

May I ask a question? What is the efficiency of CFL and LED in term of lm/watt? Can you share?

[kurnano]

Dan, You know what would be great? If You have a digital still camera, You can make photos on manual settings of different LED bulbs and compare it to standard ones. When Your shooting with Your video camera, it will automatically adjust to different brightnes levels so on video You can't really see the difference between 11W and 68W. But if You use digital still camera, and use the same settings (like 1/25s, F1.6) for all pictures, You than have a really good material to compare.

[tabhorian]

@kurnano This is very true.  I knew there was a way to do that, but had forgotten about the manual exposure. I would like to see comparisons like that too.

[599891]

Not for nothing, but I'll take the bulb thats lighting up that room your in any day.

[seriouslyWeird]

don't led lights go out like really often?

[punktyras]

@seriouslyWeird

No, they last several tens thousands of hours. Sure, if you go cheap, they lose most of their brightness in year or two. Good quality LEDs lasts kinda forever though :)

[GREENPOWERSCIENCE]

@seriouslyWeird no, the cheap ebay lights last about 1 year. The better quality lights last over many years. The bulbs are generally all the same, the electronics and e26 or mr16 base mountings are what can be an issue. My first cheap LEDs 3 years ago all had poor connections to the e26 screw so they were hard to apply to the socket and when removing they twisted and broke. Since the first batch I have had not problems. When an indoor bulb is used outdoors it will work but over time go bad.

[GREENPOWERSCIENCE]

@GREENPOWERSCIENCE I keep mine on 24x7 365 for testing as the watt consumption is so low. If you turn them on and off, they will last years. So my experience with less expensive lights is 1 year continuous usage.

[KyleCarrington]

@seriouslyWeird LEDs reputation for dying young is largely related to people driving them with the wrong voltage, and thus higher current. I once bought a lantern, that was designed for 6v ( 4 x D batteries ). I thought I'd be smart and use a large Trojan 6V deep cycle battery. Problem is, that battery reads 7.2v fully charged. It killed the LEDs fast. Many of the initial circuits for 12v did not handle 13.8 (auto is running) well, either.

[iamsnake21]

great bit of info, thanks dan, i plan on using all LED light on my off grid home, thanks again

[hippyraverocker]

It would be better to give their lux ratings. That way they can actually be compared in brightness as watts is not a fair measure when comparing incandescent, led & CFL as each offer differing levels of lux per watt consumed.

[becnet20]

Dan I've been watching your videos since you begin posting. I love watching your videos. They're very informative and help with my projects at times. Big fan. I would like to mention though that I found that the the 10W 'Daylight" CFLs put off much more light than the "Soft White" CFLs. I bought all 10W Daylight CFLs for my house from Wal Mart. They are about the same price and put off much more light than the round LEDs or Soft White CFLs. I thought you might like to check that out. Shon

[FreedomForYouAndMe]

1.21 gigawatts!! 

[eoneguru1]

@FreedomForYouAndMe A Bolt of Lightning

[jerseystitch]

Yours are some of the best on Youtube.

[craftchest]

Nice! Epic video, thanks for demonstrating and giving this information. I am impressed with LED lights now and what can be done with them.

[johnnnyreb51]

Hi Dan. I would like to point out that your comparing different light patterns as well as bulb types. The LED bulbs shown act as flood lights sending their light in a cone type or (single direction) pattern. While the CFL shown acts as a normal light (incandescent) bulb does and scatters its light in all directions. While round LED bulb configurations can be found. You did not show them in this video.

[Anothercoilgun]

From China is not an option. Will be from China regardless of any label or print.

[eliden]

i want some bulb changing color bulbs >.<

[amberb57]

So, the MR-16 is a 12 volt DC bulb? I have to look for those, great RV interior lighting bulb!

[pinochska]

why arent there high power led lights like the 12 volt one showed here but in AC ? that 3 watt at the end illuminates more than the 21 watt inside the garage... anyone?

[gcdrummer02]

how long did you see spots after shooting this?

[manofreedom]

I have a lot of area around my house that needs to be lit at night for security reasons and the solar panal with the battery and LED that Dan mentioned at the end of the video would be just what we need.....is there a video anywhere that can show how to hook this up? Any feed back or comments would be appreciated from anyone.

[madjimms]

Goes to show that not EVERYTHING "made in china" is bad. It depends on what the overseeing company decides to spend on materials & inspection.

[PostSurgeOperative]

Great information! I would like to see you do this demo with the various lights each installed in the overhead fixture, so that we can compare performance on that basis.

[Rocky1765]

Would love to see the set up you mentioned at the end. The remote lighting station. :)

[oisiaa]

Hey Dan, have you tried the Philips Ambient LED bulbs (the ones with the yellow lenses)? I bought the 75Watt version and it is amazing. You should review one.

[alexHG123]

I heard some good things about the design of that light bulb

[oisiaa]

@alexHG123 Yeah, I love mine. The LEDs are actually blue and the yellow lens has a phosphor that emits white light. Most LED bulbs use white LEDs...which themselves emit blue light but have the phosphor on the LED die itself. With my Phililps bulb, I don't think anybody would know it wasn't incandescent if they were hidden.

[KozisKey]

At my new countryside house I am changing all the lighting to seperate electrical system - 12-24 DC. So it should be even more efficent, because there is so much power wasted in a circuit inside todays LED bulb. You know it have to resist atleast ~95 V for each bulb, so still some power goes to heat. So I think its way to go for everyone.

[QueerAsFaith]

Dan, I would love to know what kind of led lights I could pick up to begin replacing my CF lights which are 10 watts equal to about 40 watts of a standard light. To they all come in a unidirectional style or is there a good light that would be more omni directional for typical home use. If it only says the lumens what would I be looking to be equal to 40 watt & 60 watt of a standard light? Thanks for your time.

[electrodacus]

@QueerAsFaith I have a good video :) I think is good comparing different LED's with CF and incandescent so you can get a good idea of the equivalent replacement you will need From my tests the 100W incandescent was equivalent with about 16W LED if it was a good quality LED the 11W CF light that I used was not great was using just over 7W but the output was less than 40W incandescent.

[zebidinofus]

I got a 30w LED a while back for making a projector with my bro. looked right into it first time I turned it on... I am currently using a brail keyboard..

[jcanivan]

Yes the LEDs are becoming very cost effective. One nice feature about the LED is that it may be connected to a dimmer. With enough PV panels, some LED lighting, battery backups and a DC powered computer I don't see why a person would need to be tied to the grid...

[electrodacus]

Dan, I think for off grid at least lighting will be better on DC 12V or 24V.

Imagine how much you save if you only have 3W or 10W LED just the inverter uses in standby more than this depending on type and size there is also the efficiency of the bulb much better on low voltage DC.

I have a video on my channel comparing different LED's including a 50W with other sources the multi die LED's are quite efficient almost identical with high end CREE LED's and you can get them in 10,20,30,50 and 100W.

[IllumTheMessage]

Great info, really appreciate it.

[HARMANHOUSE1]

Hey everybody check out the documentary THE LIGHT BULB CONSPIRACY great information God Bless!!

[cybertourniquet]

Honestly, you looks like McGyver

[PsychoticusRex]

You have a corrugated steel roof, ever thought of installing one of those "coke bottle lights" from: "A Liter of Light" posted on playwiththejunglegym 's youtube account?

[Cy5208]

Pls do a clip on compact fluorescent bulbs and dirty electricity

[jmmurdy]

Nice video

[BASEBALLAPPLEPIE]

Smoking insulation is bad for you;)

[jmmurdy]

Nice why do you have a black ceiling?

[changethecurrent]

I got my house running off of about 250 watts of led bulbs and my house and property is lit up like a Christmas tree, I totally bought in to it and it is coasting me next to nothing to power. The leds should really last at least 50,000 hours or more. I joke with my friends that i'll be able to past them on before I die :) Great show!

[prayfortruejustice]

Just put 10 LED lights in the kitchen, hallway, and laundry -- 7 watt and 5 watt in ceiling cans. $60 for 10 of them. All 10 use less than one 100w light bulb. :)

[ElectronikFreak]

i just ordered a 100W LED ! a SINGLE LED :D go to deal extreme dot com and search for sku 107904 - please tell me what you think about it ;)

[RCvolunteer1978]

Please you said a solar unit with battery and light is about $30 usd I would be VERY happy to pay that to have an off gride outside for that price .I am unable to travel to lowes and/or any other location I am in a wheelchair with non-friendly family members ... goodshepherd1956@aol.com

[GREENPOWERSCIENCE]

@RCvolunteer1978 Hi goodshepherd hope all gets better with the fam:-(

I got them from ebay, the solar panels are a extra, they run about $29 if you can find them.

Search as follows:

LED

"3W MR16 High Power Cool White Focus"

Battery

"12v 7ah" make sure it is new.

Hope this helps.

[RCvolunteer1978]

@GREENPOWERSCIENCE sorry Dan harbor freight has everything with solar panel for $59 in one small unit with a motion sencor

[rosskstar]

@RCvolunteer1978 including a battery? i don thin so Lucy

[greenmarcosu]

@GREENPOWERSCIENCE What is the name/model of the 29$ panels?

[rosskstar]

@GREENPOWERSCIENCE what should i search in ebay for solar? you said $30 IF you can find them.....which ones should i look out for?

[KozmykJ]

Useful info. Cheers

[rosskstar]

I don't trust LED's for things like automobile brake lights; you'll see brand new cars and already several lights are out and makes the whole car look crap.....oh, and that makes me worry about the new TV's with LED

[petthekittyz]

@rosskstar LED lights last nearly forever, they are far more reliable then any other light on the market.

[rosskstar]

@petthekittyz they should be but seemingly the auto makers got a bad batch; NEW cars...take a closer look next time you see a car with LED lighting

[petthekittyz]

@rosskstar Well, I will agree with that. Cutting corners on costs leads to broken shit! lol

[bamboo4tameshigiri]

@rosskstar That's manufacturing defects. It happens. LEDs tend to last years and years.

[ometec]

@rosskstar worry worry worry LEDs are an established decades old technology stop worrying

[rosskstar]

@ometec unless you can replace the individual diodes easily and cheaply; there's no way i'd buy a car with them......or a TV....i'm not referring to what Dan is doing here; just cars & TV's

[ometec]

@rosskstar You will but it won't be because wither of us is right or wrong, you will because that's all that will be made.

[GREENPOWERSCIENCE]

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