hya saw youre other video coments were disabeld respond if you can or want so are the sisters of battel and the impeial guard and the space marines alies
There is only 2 good guys eldar and tau. the eldar just want to stop the necrons. tau just for the greater good. space marines are just for the good of space marines
@The1boyz hahahahaa! Eldars would kill 1.000.000 of humans to save only 1 eldar ,the Tau only thinks in her only Benefit and have the ideal Racial homogeneity.
The humans have just do it one thing: ¡Survive!
The Diplomacy with other races like ork and necrons are imposible,the eldar Always break her Treatments.
The caos are realy the bad guys in this terms,are slaves of the "great" powers,and the most extremist.
He knew that the librarian's self-esteem in his knowledge would sully his good choices and ultametely lead to his end. This is the epitome of how knowledge can mislead and why faith is more important. You think that if you teach the population what not to do then that will solve everything?! There are infinite ways to mislead as there is infinite knowledge to learn.
I don't think the space marines are the good guys...
technically the eldars are the good guys, they're the race that oversaw the galaxy and kept everyone in peace for a good long time till they masturbated too much and went blind... (metaphorically speaking)
except they make a huge thing about keeping the populous uneducated and subservent and kill you if you don't. on way more then one occasion the space marines have purged entire planets life. As a matter of fact both in Dark Crusade and Soul Storm, the space marine objective was exactly that. GO TEAM. If you were looking for good guys the closest you'll get is the Tau or the Eldar. And the Tau don't like us much because apparently humanity is still deluded bigoted xenophobes. I don't blame them.
Thats because those ppl threatened the existence of humanity and deserved to die.
The reason why the populous is kept uneducated is because they would probly do something really stupid like side with chaos thinking that they would have the ability to do great things but in fact they would do great harm just like the first dawn of war
The eldar are not the good guys not at all. The eldar only care about themselves and the only reason they intervene or side with other races is because the events that might occur would ultimately lead to the craftworlds destruction or lead to something terrible to occur to them. Also the eldar anytime they side almost always betray their allies near the end.
The space marines on the other hand stand for a just cause wiping out ppl like this and martyring themselves for mankind.
also, the librarian isn't saying "hide evil knowledge" he's saying "keep people uneducated"
Which isn't exactly out of character because he belongs to a militant force that kills anyone who questions it on the grounds of heracy. Tell me, you know the people who condemned Galileo for his observations that went contrary to scripture? Those guys were great right?
How bout burning people for been a witch? Truly a shining example of humanity, that happens in the human empire too. So great right?
Any knowledge that would lead to pride and self-esteem which ultimately would lead to them turning to chaos. Just play dow and see such as when isador tried to use chaos for good and became corrupted by it.
"The road to hell is paved with good intentions" There is a massive difference between that and "Knowledge makes you evil." Chaos is a fictional kind of magic which "taints" anything that it associates with. The knowledge of that is plain and easy to understand, but the mechanism isn't understood. I'd argue that because the Imperium of man refused to study and understand chaos and how it effects people, they failed to understand its dangers. Thus allowing our naive librarian to be manipulated.
The road to hell is death and suffering, anything that can possibly be presieved as good is only to mislead. There really was no magic behind what lead to his downfall, he was given what he wanted and was consumed by it which was the power of knowledge, but it was knowledge to mislead him over to chaos. The librarian knew about chaos which is why he was asked to examine the artifacts that chaos left behind, secretly left behind by the orchestrator of these schemes of fate.
The Chaos Space Marine is a little bit stronger then the normal marine when i was picking around on the stats and it said they have 4 more melee attack and 3 more shooting damage. And they have same health. i heard chaos was suppose to be vehicle short. they don't have to many good vehicles
Actually, the Tau are immune to the warp. They cannot be affected by chaos magic that corrupts the mind, though they can be harmed by physically manifested magic. And if they could, believe me the Chaos gods would try to taint them.
Also, Ethereals extracts a pheremon from the diamond shape thingy on their forehead that allows them to control the Tau race. Now, the Tau aren't mindless puppets, they're like a bee hive, the phermon makes them want to serve the Ethereals, so they have a happy life
More like Terran- Space Marines, but you have the right idea. In fact, Starcraft was made when Games Workshop didn't allow the creators of Starcraft to make a RTS based on WH40k, so Starcraft was made to appear that they weren't actual WH40k models, but it was obvious that the entire modeling and most of the story and combat procedures made in Starcraft were directly taken or inspired by Warhammer 40k.
Tau are "good" in a "Brave New World" kind of way.
Yes, they're being manipulated by the Ethereals. But at least they're happy.
And I, personally, would rather be happy than dead. ^^
About the Civil War: Dunno about that. The Tau are pretty much immune to the effects of the Warp (but also can't travel faster than light because of this), so at least the Tau won't fall prey to Chaos. So if there is a civil war, it won't be in the same way the Imperium had.
Tau are not good. They are a communist-fascist militant scoiety that forces other races to join them or die.
Tau aren't immune to the effects of the warp. Only the Necrons are, sorta. And Tau can fall prey to Chaos, they just aren't a race that the Chaos Gods pay attention to much. And the simply choose not to use warp-travel.
And the Tau make the choice to have the Ethereals lead them.
Possibly. Maybe some races, bu it just depends. Obviously if the Tau conquer an Imperium controlled planet, and you refuse to join them, then they're obviously going to kill you or put you in a very controlled prison because they know you are a threat. I don't think they would otherwise, however. It just depends on the nature of the species.
And besides, they're better than other races who would just kill you off if you don't know what it is. Which doesn't mean they are nto good, per se.
I agree there is no Good Guys, actually the Tau is far from the close they control there men with mind control and they may at sometime have a Civil War like the Imperium, but on a bigger scale cause of there advanced technology
Although I'd have to say the one faction that comes closest would be the Tau for their general diplomatic take on expansion. However, if they're messed with, they don't hesitate to brun you up with plasma, either, so... yeah.
If you throw enough IG at something, it will eventually die. The canonical explanation is that the Empire at large got distracted by more pressing matters (a Tyranid hive fleet) and the crusade ground to a halt. There are now pockets of unsupported ex-IG left behind, with most of them assimilated into Tau culture.
Gaunt's Ghosts is an imperial regiment that is just caught up in the eternal war that they would rather not be fighting. Ibram Gaunt, should have been due for his reward planet but keeps getting shafted on that front and has to keep fighting.
The Grey Knights are a group of space marines that are eternally fighting against the demons of chaos and other evils from the warp.
@gagaplex Well Tau just do what they think are the greater good, which ofcourse more often then not is good for most people, but if anything should be "good" I would say the Eldar are the good people in the Warhammer universe.
This is quite old so you might not bother responding, and I don't blame you.
One thing I'm really interested in knowing is whether or not the map structure is emphasized by DoW players, of if that's kind of the "StarCraft perspective" that you bring to the game. Ie. is there a competitive DoW scene, and what is their mindset? I realize I should probably watch more of your commentaries of it all, but it doesn't seem to grasp me as immediately as SC does. Now that I'm in a MASSIVE SC slump, maybe I should try it out though. If you message me, maybe we could try a few.
Since when did the Empire and it's Space Marines become the good guys? It's one of the most brutal regimes in human history. The Emperor devours human psychers to survive, ffs. xD Marines are bloodthirsty, intolerant, fanatical warrior-monks and generally not nice at all.
Not human psykers necessarily. Just humans. Usually bad ones, for their punishment. Of course the Emperor isn't aware of this, since he's half-dead.
Intolerant? Not really. And yes, they are fanatical, because of the growth of the cult of the god emperor, plus the best way for the Imperium to resist chaos is to do so religiously. Even though those who support chaos do so with good intentions, they always end up turning to evil.
But chaos is still awesome and more powerful than the Imperium
I just bought this thanks 2 u.
Ceplir 1 month ago
@lemanruss No, humans have just do it one thing: FOR TEH EMPRAH!!
xXxDarkAdeptusxXx 1 month ago
Hey Vaul, do you still play Soulstorm? If so, you should check out Ultimate Apocalypse mod
xXxDarkAdeptusxXx 1 month ago
Now would there be anyway to play this on mac?
NeptuneGuy78 2 months ago
This is a great game! :D
I got the DOW II Complete & it rocks. :) But ill miss the multiplayer on DOW 1 game. :(
SkyHigh88888 9 months ago
this game is awesome!!!!!! i love necrons :D
GdGod09 10 months ago
Diffrence between a standard chaos marine and a Imperial is that the Imperial has higher morale.
HammerOfSigmar 11 months ago
I got to admit this game is epic but I would buy the Dawn of war dark chursade (I fail at spelling) cuz it's better
The1boyz 1 year ago
@The1boyz not to take the piss out your spelling but when i saw chursade I laughed
HammerOfSigmar 11 months ago
excellent work man :)
360viper117 1 year ago
hya saw youre other video coments were disabeld respond if you can or want so are the sisters of battel and the impeial guard and the space marines alies
raw1894 1 year ago
i will have all of these by the end of this year.
Clockworkmaster1 1 year ago
all fail. Necrons are the best. Every single thing dead- fair and square. lol
Volksgrenadiere 1 year ago
There is only 2 good guys eldar and tau. the eldar just want to stop the necrons. tau just for the greater good. space marines are just for the good of space marines
The1boyz 1 year ago
@The1boyz hahahahaa! Eldars would kill 1.000.000 of humans to save only 1 eldar ,the Tau only thinks in her only Benefit and have the ideal Racial homogeneity.
The humans have just do it one thing: ¡Survive!
The Diplomacy with other races like ork and necrons are imposible,the eldar Always break her Treatments.
The caos are realy the bad guys in this terms,are slaves of the "great" powers,and the most extremist.
lemanruss 1 year ago
numba 10 if you count the tyranids in dawn of war 2
SlientChaos 1 year ago
i have dark crusade and if this is the samn thing then i want it!!!
dineablade 1 year ago
hehe the titel ist so nice! i ilke it. One of the best ive ever player btw. ;)
mayhemtv 1 year ago
Thank you, i did not know about the expansions, i just bought dark crusade because of your comments, thanks again. :)
Furdip 2 years ago
thanks man I want this game so much now
mastercheif158 2 years ago
you inspired me to get this game bravo
projektpanzerfaust 2 years ago
necrons got turned into what they are because of the c'tan
darkrai4 2 years ago 3
I own these games and this was a fun listen.
WatchMeSC 2 years ago 16
when did the original Dawn of War come out?
sfgox10 2 years ago
2004
DrLapy90210 2 years ago 2
2004 I think.
bloodredroses88 2 years ago
He knew that the librarian's self-esteem in his knowledge would sully his good choices and ultametely lead to his end. This is the epitome of how knowledge can mislead and why faith is more important. You think that if you teach the population what not to do then that will solve everything?! There are infinite ways to mislead as there is infinite knowledge to learn.
S4disticJ0k3r 2 years ago 2
I don't think the space marines are the good guys...
technically the eldars are the good guys, they're the race that oversaw the galaxy and kept everyone in peace for a good long time till they masturbated too much and went blind... (metaphorically speaking)
oEQjet 2 years ago
space marines r the good guys and most of the imperium if you are a human being.
S4disticJ0k3r 2 years ago
except they make a huge thing about keeping the populous uneducated and subservent and kill you if you don't. on way more then one occasion the space marines have purged entire planets life. As a matter of fact both in Dark Crusade and Soul Storm, the space marine objective was exactly that. GO TEAM. If you were looking for good guys the closest you'll get is the Tau or the Eldar. And the Tau don't like us much because apparently humanity is still deluded bigoted xenophobes. I don't blame them.
oEQjet 2 years ago
Thats because those ppl threatened the existence of humanity and deserved to die.
The reason why the populous is kept uneducated is because they would probly do something really stupid like side with chaos thinking that they would have the ability to do great things but in fact they would do great harm just like the first dawn of war
S4disticJ0k3r 2 years ago
The eldar are not the good guys not at all. The eldar only care about themselves and the only reason they intervene or side with other races is because the events that might occur would ultimately lead to the craftworlds destruction or lead to something terrible to occur to them. Also the eldar anytime they side almost always betray their allies near the end.
The space marines on the other hand stand for a just cause wiping out ppl like this and martyring themselves for mankind.
S4disticJ0k3r 2 years ago
you're going to fault the eldar for taking care of their own race?
You're also going to praise the space marines... for... taking care of their own race.
You're not actually supposed to buy into the space marines propaganda. "Knowledge is power, hide it well" ~SM Librarian <- THIS IS NOT A GOOD MAN.
oEQjet 2 years ago
knowledge can lead to downfall as not all knowledge is good.
S4disticJ0k3r 2 years ago
What knowledge would that be?
oEQjet 2 years ago
also, the librarian isn't saying "hide evil knowledge" he's saying "keep people uneducated"
Which isn't exactly out of character because he belongs to a militant force that kills anyone who questions it on the grounds of heracy. Tell me, you know the people who condemned Galileo for his observations that went contrary to scripture? Those guys were great right?
How bout burning people for been a witch? Truly a shining example of humanity, that happens in the human empire too. So great right?
oEQjet 2 years ago 3
Any knowledge that would lead to pride and self-esteem which ultimately would lead to them turning to chaos. Just play dow and see such as when isador tried to use chaos for good and became corrupted by it.
S4disticJ0k3r 2 years ago 2
"The road to hell is paved with good intentions" There is a massive difference between that and "Knowledge makes you evil." Chaos is a fictional kind of magic which "taints" anything that it associates with. The knowledge of that is plain and easy to understand, but the mechanism isn't understood. I'd argue that because the Imperium of man refused to study and understand chaos and how it effects people, they failed to understand its dangers. Thus allowing our naive librarian to be manipulated.
oEQjet 2 years ago
The road to hell is death and suffering, anything that can possibly be presieved as good is only to mislead. There really was no magic behind what lead to his downfall, he was given what he wanted and was consumed by it which was the power of knowledge, but it was knowledge to mislead him over to chaos. The librarian knew about chaos which is why he was asked to examine the artifacts that chaos left behind, secretly left behind by the orchestrator of these schemes of fate.
S4disticJ0k3r 2 years ago
what system?
davideoman1000 2 years ago
winter assault doesnt suxx....in my opinion, vanilla, WA and dc/ss are like 3 different games : the gameplay is always different...
Polored1066 2 years ago
I'd get all the expansions, just so you could play and try out all the 9 races, see which fits you.
gamidragon 2 years ago 2
dark crusade is the best!
but i dont like dawn of war 2 becouse there is ony 4 races again!
triplehcro 2 years ago 2
buying this game i put this on dow 2 oops but i want this one
funnyboyvids 3 years ago
im going to buy dawn of war darkcruside and dawn of war and dawnofwar winter assult should i buy soulstrom to
wargamemaster 3 years ago
ok well now im going to go buy dawn of war 2 because now everyone will be playing dawn of war 2
wargamemaster 3 years ago
winter assault sucks get dark crusade if u want to play for online get vanilla and DC I havnt played SS but who knows
SeanDalyATeam 3 years ago
yea winter assult sucks balls
wargamemaster 3 years ago
The Chaos Space Marine is a little bit stronger then the normal marine when i was picking around on the stats and it said they have 4 more melee attack and 3 more shooting damage. And they have same health. i heard chaos was suppose to be vehicle short. they don't have to many good vehicles
Gabezen101 3 years ago
All 4 expansions for 15€ on steam atm until jan 2nd '09.
redownse 3 years ago
Actually, the Tau are immune to the warp. They cannot be affected by chaos magic that corrupts the mind, though they can be harmed by physically manifested magic. And if they could, believe me the Chaos gods would try to taint them.
Also, Ethereals extracts a pheremon from the diamond shape thingy on their forehead that allows them to control the Tau race. Now, the Tau aren't mindless puppets, they're like a bee hive, the phermon makes them want to serve the Ethereals, so they have a happy life
Adrius91 3 years ago
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what? 9 races? omg, the less the better ->StarCraft ^^
shebotnov 3 years ago
aCtually, Starcraft's races were ripped off of Warhammer 40k's races.
Protoss=Eldar
Terran=Imperial Guard
Zerg=Tyranids
wychweapons 3 years ago
More like Terran- Space Marines, but you have the right idea. In fact, Starcraft was made when Games Workshop didn't allow the creators of Starcraft to make a RTS based on WH40k, so Starcraft was made to appear that they weren't actual WH40k models, but it was obvious that the entire modeling and most of the story and combat procedures made in Starcraft were directly taken or inspired by Warhammer 40k.
GeoffFlint 3 years ago
They were indeed, but they've evolved differently since.
darksaiyan2006 3 years ago
White Scars are my favorite chapter
PieMan1018 3 years ago
Tau are "good" in a "Brave New World" kind of way.
Yes, they're being manipulated by the Ethereals. But at least they're happy.
And I, personally, would rather be happy than dead. ^^
About the Civil War: Dunno about that. The Tau are pretty much immune to the effects of the Warp (but also can't travel faster than light because of this), so at least the Tau won't fall prey to Chaos. So if there is a civil war, it won't be in the same way the Imperium had.
gagaplex 3 years ago
Tau are not good. They are a communist-fascist militant scoiety that forces other races to join them or die.
Tau aren't immune to the effects of the warp. Only the Necrons are, sorta. And Tau can fall prey to Chaos, they just aren't a race that the Chaos Gods pay attention to much. And the simply choose not to use warp-travel.
And the Tau make the choice to have the Ethereals lead them.
wychweapons 3 years ago
No, Tau don't kill other races. They don't kill other races if they do not join them, they only kill them if they oppose them.
The imperium, however, destroy any races they do not know. At least the Tau give them a chance, eh?
IndignantPhoenix 3 years ago
But if you refuse to join their empire, ie they conquer your planet and you refuse to join them, then you die.
wychweapons 3 years ago
Possibly. Maybe some races, bu it just depends. Obviously if the Tau conquer an Imperium controlled planet, and you refuse to join them, then they're obviously going to kill you or put you in a very controlled prison because they know you are a threat. I don't think they would otherwise, however. It just depends on the nature of the species.
And besides, they're better than other races who would just kill you off if you don't know what it is. Which doesn't mean they are nto good, per se.
IndignantPhoenix 3 years ago
yea i have to agree...the tau may not be part of the imperium,but atleast there better den chaos,ork,dark eldar or necrons..
dinocha0s 3 years ago
SMurfs are not good guys :)
Glass11 3 years ago
I agree there is no Good Guys, actually the Tau is far from the close they control there men with mind control and they may at sometime have a Civil War like the Imperium, but on a bigger scale cause of there advanced technology
ZeroReaper99 3 years ago
Id say the Tau are the good guys, possibly the Eldar are too.
Choros22 3 years ago 3
Hehe. In WH40k, there ARE no "good guys".
Although I'd have to say the one faction that comes closest would be the Tau for their general diplomatic take on expansion. However, if they're messed with, they don't hesitate to brun you up with plasma, either, so... yeah.
gagaplex 3 years ago 15
Apparently someone hasn't followed the Grey Knights very much. Or Gaunt's Ghosts...
diehardff 3 years ago
You're right. I don't know much of the WH40K lore. :)
But by the sound of it, you might be talking about the war between the Imperium and the Tau, where the Imperium wiped the floor with the Tau?
Dunno. At least in DoW, the Tau keep happily expanding even though they were driven back.
gagaplex 3 years ago
If you throw enough IG at something, it will eventually die. The canonical explanation is that the Empire at large got distracted by more pressing matters (a Tyranid hive fleet) and the crusade ground to a halt. There are now pockets of unsupported ex-IG left behind, with most of them assimilated into Tau culture.
SusCalvin 3 years ago
Gaunt's Ghosts is an imperial regiment that is just caught up in the eternal war that they would rather not be fighting. Ibram Gaunt, should have been due for his reward planet but keeps getting shafted on that front and has to keep fighting.
The Grey Knights are a group of space marines that are eternally fighting against the demons of chaos and other evils from the warp.
diehardff 3 years ago
But Dark eldar are big time bad guys ;)
dayfer1 3 years ago
@gagaplex Heritic
xxranger217 10 months ago
@gagaplex Well Tau just do what they think are the greater good, which ofcourse more often then not is good for most people, but if anything should be "good" I would say the Eldar are the good people in the Warhammer universe.
This is quite old so you might not bother responding, and I don't blame you.
OleUndAl 8 months ago
One thing I'm really interested in knowing is whether or not the map structure is emphasized by DoW players, of if that's kind of the "StarCraft perspective" that you bring to the game. Ie. is there a competitive DoW scene, and what is their mindset? I realize I should probably watch more of your commentaries of it all, but it doesn't seem to grasp me as immediately as SC does. Now that I'm in a MASSIVE SC slump, maybe I should try it out though. If you message me, maybe we could try a few.
eedahl 3 years ago
Since when did the Empire and it's Space Marines become the good guys? It's one of the most brutal regimes in human history. The Emperor devours human psychers to survive, ffs. xD Marines are bloodthirsty, intolerant, fanatical warrior-monks and generally not nice at all.
SusCalvin 3 years ago 3
Without the God Emperor, all hope is lost. I live so serve.
lazylink 3 years ago
Not human psykers necessarily. Just humans. Usually bad ones, for their punishment. Of course the Emperor isn't aware of this, since he's half-dead.
Intolerant? Not really. And yes, they are fanatical, because of the growth of the cult of the god emperor, plus the best way for the Imperium to resist chaos is to do so religiously. Even though those who support chaos do so with good intentions, they always end up turning to evil.
But chaos is still awesome and more powerful than the Imperium
wychweapons 3 years ago