@quangluu96 No, it is not. A Bloomfield processor such as the Core i7-920 achieves over 50 GFLOPS in double precision in a real-world scenario. Cell, on the other hand, has a theoretical peak performance of just 20.8 GFLOPS in double precision, meaning the achieved performance in a real-world usage scenario would be lower than that.
Besides, FLOPS performance is not all that matters. Bloomfield runs circles around Cell in MIPS performance (integer/boolean operations), for example.
@quangluu96 That is including the SPEs. In double precision, Cell's PPE achieves up to 6.4 GFLOPS, plus 1.8 GFLOPS from each SPE. On the PS3, where only six SPEs are available, that's just 17.2 GFLOPS. And again, that is the theoretical peak performance. Applications will achieve a varying percentage of that value depending on how well they are optimized, but never 100%.
@halo56822 Does it play Uncharted or the Killzone series...you pc heads amaze me..there's been only two fuc*ing games to come out in seven years that maximize your machines and you get on here and brag..the ps3 is fuc*ing five years old too..
@sixerjones It doesn't play those games because a PC version of them was never made. Had them been made, they would run much better on a mainstream PC than any console ever could.
And what difference does it make how many PC games "maximize" this platform? Even ordinary multiplatform games can get more demanding and technically complex on PC than the very best console exclusives are on their respective platforms. By PC standards, Uncharted and Killzone are very lightweight games.
@NewLynxS My god you PC heads amaze me. I'll put Killzone3 or Uncharted 3 up against anything the PC has to offer and it will hold its own if not defeat anything on your machine. I'm been a graphics whore for ten years now and there is only two games that have edged out or compared to those two games. Crysis and BF3, THAT'S ALL! Now the developer for the Last Guardian has finally said the Ps3 will finally be maxed out. The PC is the bastard child of the industry at least for another ten years!
@sixerjones If it runs on the PS3's $38 processor and $46 GPU, it runs better on an average gaming PC. Deal with it.
Those games may have excelled on the artistic aspect, and I admire them for that. But on the technical aspect, they are nothing compared to what's available on PC.
SONY is da BOMB!!! That's a fact many PC fanboys, Do not understand. Those cells have not been completely released at their full power... Now I hope tomorrow that title called The Last Of Us show up what PS3 really mean! C'mon American tech sucks "PC" is just a tool mostly for Porn!! xD But PSTriple is flyde.
@asunari99 Yes, it has. IBM uses fully-functional Cell processors on their server blades (QS20 lineup), unlike the PS3, where only six out of the eight SPEs are available for games. On top of that, in 2008 IBM released an improved version of that chip, PowerXCell 8i, which runs at the same 3.2 GHz but with many improvements for double-precision FLOPS performance (where the standard Cell processor is abysmal at). This new version is also available on their QS20 lineup.
can i play vanquish . shadow the damned . mortal kombat 9 . red dead redemption , star ocean the last hope , yakuza , killzone 2 ,3 , resistance , uncharted , heavy rain , modnation , gt5 , forza 4 , gears of war 3 , infamous , god of war 3 , demons souls, dark souls , marvel vs capcom 3 , danted inferno , the darkness , metal gear on pc??????????
@gamer3386 You're an idiot. core 2 duo has how many cores? The ps3's cell has one core but 8 SPE's and one PPE, which are all 40 % faster, and better then cores because they do not produce extra heat. Clocked at 3.2 GHz .
@blueguy09 Nonsense. First, any circuitry that has electrons running through it produces heat, and the SPEs are no exception. Second, 40% faster than what? The PPE (PowerPC core) is no match for a Conroe/Wolfdale core from a Core 2 Duo processor. And the eight SPEs may offer higher peak single-precision FLOPS performance, but as specialized units they are abysmal on everything else. Core 2 Duo processors have more cores, more cache, newer instructions and a much more efficient microarchitecture.
@TheEvilPadawan you trolling? go check crysis, crysis 2, battlefield 3, and skyrim... they totally rape unsharted 3..L0L unsharted 3 looks like shit compared to them!!
@camargo2012 I own Battlefield 3, rented Crysis 2 and trust me I've seen plenty of Skyrim which is also the worst looking game of the ones you listed. It may be a fantastic video game but it's not THAT great looking due to the large environments. Have you seen some of the faces in that game? How people move? Also right now is not the time to be talking about it with all the issues it has been having.
@TheEvilPadawan first of all.. NO PS3 game looks as good as the PC.... have you seen the cryengine 3 tech demo? no, cryengine has one of the world's most expensive renderings ever made...L0L the PS3 cant even handle Anti-Aliasing TROLOLOLOLOL what you said about the faces(aka the physics) is totally invalid as to the fact that a syngle midrange GPU has up to 10 times more horse power than the PS3 GPU... which means the physics are better on cryengine no matter what..
@camargo2012 I was talking about the Skyrim faces. They look shit on anything. PC, PS3 and 360. Deal with it. Also tech demos always look better than they actually are. Don't give me stats and stupid explanations. U3 is the best. Eat your heart out in denial and nerdy talk.
kinda funny watching this now on my badass computer that dusts the shit out of of PS3. even when the ps3 came out my computer was better, but not by much. now days its sort of a joke lol
@themixedarts this video is about hardware. but more to the point, i dont think anyone would argue ps3 is more powerful or has better software capabilities than a computer. they dont use ps3's to run super computers now lol
@themixedarts oh well yeah i mean its no secret games are being developed more for consoles than PC, but thats cause of sales. its pretty easy to download PC games i do it all the time, so they aint wastin money on something people will just get for free. but software is to a point where its too good for the computers(or console)...gotta wait for the hardware to catch up. check out nvidia tech demos to see what i mean. we can make untra realistic games if only computers could handle em
@themixedarts watch this: /watch?v=WeJDesNsQ2Y thats not rendered thats real time(in game), but you see its taking ALL the processing power of a bad ass computer to make it look that good. couldn't make a full game that sexy until the hardware catches up
@iandud3 Yea i've seen that before, i'd say were proabably like 10-20 years away of having an acutal game with graphics that good. Well, on a PC that the general public can afford anyway.
no, not smarter that "you", because without "you" to tell it what to do it will sit on it's metaphoricial hands. but 2trillion calculations a second, I really could have used that in Further maths exams this June.
The Grid.. I digital frontier.. i tried to picture clusters of information moving through the computer.. what did they look like? i pictured a world i thought ide never see.. then one day... i got it... (Epic Daft Punk Intro)
You're stupid for comparing the PS3 to a PC. PS comes from PLAY station,PC comes from Personal COMPUTER with which you can do more things than just play,so duh it's gonna have to be better.But the PS3 is the best amongst consoles
Too bad no programmer wants to program for the PS3 cell, which is why the library for the console sucked so bad in the beginning. Its sad but true. the Cell is too complex to be fully used properly, so in a way it's a waste of money. The Cell is what killed the PS3 guys. :(
@henryhenriquez you're joking right? SEE THE OFFICIAL SPECS.in total,the ps3 has 1.8 teraflop performance.it does 136 shader operations per cycle.RSX doesn't bottleneck.the ram is good.(xdr is a very powerful type of ram)and it's clocked at somewhere 3.7 or 1.3 ghz(i don't remember).modern pcs are better than consoles but it took em somewhere 2.5 years to become better and more advanced(GPUs i mean).ps3 has a lot of horsepower.just see the exclusives and you'll know what i mean.
@staticrubber how does a rsx. aka the 7800gtx do 1,8 terra flop when not even the gtx580 the most powerfull nvidia card only does around 1500-1600gflops? explain retard?
and the gtx580 has 512 shaders, 1,5GB ram, and is clock at a higher frequenties DO TELL retard.
rsx does 342Gflops. thats fact.
and xdr is at 400MHz
it transfer speed is 25GB/s
even my ddr3 at stock is 31GB/s
if ps3 is a horse power how doesn ti beat crysis? a game from 2007? and easy ti max now a days?
@henryhenriquez i swear you're talking too much shit.the memory isn't clocked at 400 mhz..and crysis is a bad coded game.even gtx 580 barely runs it and the graphics aren't that innovative.RSX doesn't do 342 gflops .it does somewhere 1.6 teraflops.you don't know shit.FACE IT.both ps3's and 360's GPUs were better at their time.the RSX introduced 128 bit precision,Xenos was one of the first to use unified shader architecture.if RSX was as weak as you claim it wouldn't run gt5 at 1080p w/60 fps.
@staticrubber PS3's XDR RAM runs at 400 MHz, but since it tranfers 8 bits per cycle (1 Hz), its effective data rate is 8 * 400 = 3200 MT/s (3.2 GT/s). Similarly, DDR3-1333 RAM runs at 666.66 MHz, but since it tranfers 2 bits per cycle, it's 2 * 666.66 = 1333.33 MT/s.
@henryhenriquez stop saying crap bitch.no wonder everyone keeps arguing with you.I don't care what you say retard.If you wish,i can give you some links.so stfu nerd.
@henryhenriquez hmmm,maybe ps3 does 1.8 teraflops because the GPU and CPU are tightly integrated?and don't forget that the Cell can handle graphics processing.and in total they have 600+ million transistors.
@henryhenriquez ok,type ''ps3 specs'' in google.OWNED.and gtx in my opinion has faster performance than you're saying.and i was mistaken too.the total performance of ps3 is 2 teraflops.
@henryhenriquez and gtx 580 doesn't have 512 shaders you moron.it has 512 stream processors.and i don't know about floating point operations.it's a fact that RSX does 1.6 teraflops.it's also 2x more powerful than 7800 Ultra as nvidia and sony claimed.you're saying milseading crap.and don't expect a GPU to be better just because it's newer.(though gtx 580 IS better).stop exagerrating PC fanboy.I do agree that PCs are technically better but not THAT much.
@staticrubber I don't know where you got the 1.8Tflops from because.....
PS3 RSX specs (of select specific interests only)
- 500 MHz G71 based GPU on 90 nm process - 24 parallel pixel-shader ALU westly pipes - 27 FLOPS per pipeline, per cycle - 8 parallel vertex pipelines - 10 FLOPS per pipeline, per cycle
Resulting Floating Point Operations per Second: 364 Gigaflops per Second ((27*24 + 8*10)*500)
@henryhenriquez just type ''RSX gpu specs'' in google.then check the vgescape link.or just type ''ps3 specs'' in google.and i think gtx 580 should have better performance than your saying.
but they never stated the rsx does ,8 teeraflops. and they state the gtx580 does 1580gflops and thats from the developers nvidia the one who made your rsx. sony didnt really make anything.
ibm made cell, rambus made the xdr, and nvidia made the rsx.
PS3's XDR RAM runs at 400 MHz, but since it tranfers 8 bits per cycle (1 Hz), its effective data rate is 8 * 400 = 3200 MT/s (3.2 GT/s). Similarly, DDR3-1333 RAM runs at 666.66 MHz, but since it tranfers 2 bits per cycle, it's 2 * 666.66 = 1333.33 MT/s.
@staticrubber i can explain everything to you about the ps3... its very easy really
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in short you fell for sony propaganda.. if you think the ps3 is so powerfull why isnt god of war 3, killzone2 uncarted 2 in 1080p? why arent they 60 fps?
why are they 720p and 30 fps?
its simple ps3 isnt as powerfull as sony advertissed
@henryhenriquez i don't fuckin care what lies you say retard,got that?and learn to type please.let's stop arguing now.we've already fucked up this entire webpage.
OWNED.and god of war 3 runs at 1080p w/40-60 frames per second.gran turismo 5 runs at 1080p with a CONSTANT 60 frames per second.why may the vendor not want a 1080p game?well,not all televisions support 1080p and people might not buy em that's why you jerk.stop
give me the links which say the BS that you're saying.
@GraphicComparison MLAA is not "better than 4x MSAA". It's not actual anti-aliasing to begin with. MLAA is a post-processing effect that detects and blurs edges. Actual AA, like MSAA and SSAA, is done by taking multiple color samples inside the same pixel during rasterization.
@henryhenriquez Deferred rendering works well and gives us artistic freedom to create distinctive Killzone look ‣ MSAA did not prove to be an issue ‣ Complex geometry with no resubmit ‣ Highly dynamic lighting in environments ‣ Extensive post-process Still a lot of features planned(killzone 3) ‣ Ambient occlusion / contact shadows ‣ Shadows on transparent geometry ‣ More efficient anti-aliasing ‣ Dynamic radiosity
@GraphicComparison try this. full realtime dynamic global ilumination. CGI quality time of day system, basickly all benefits of dx11. wich ps3 doesnt have. ps3 uses opengl2, while crysis 2 will be using opengl4 the ps3 is limited to its hardware. while pc isnt. try 32x MSAA. try 100% realtime. killzone has like 20% realtime. so yea. and texture streaming is not realtime. ambient occulusion? lol crysis 1 had that.
3RD.MOST MULTIPLATS LOOK BETTER ON 360 CAUSE THEY'RE FIRST MADE ON 360 AND THEN PORTED TO PS3 YOU NUMBFUCK.MULTIPLATS ALSO SELL BETTER ON 360 AND IT'S ''EASIER'' TO PROGRAM THAT'S WHY DEVELOPERS DON'T PAY THAT MUCH ATTENTION TO THE PS3 VERSIONS.
4TH.EVEN GTX 580 HANDLES CRYSIS AT A CHOPPY 30 FPS.THAT'S BEEN PROVED BY VIDS.
YOU'RE A TOTAL LIAR BITCH!
4TH.YOU'RE SAYING TOO MUCH SHIT.I'M TOO TIRED TO ARGUE.FUCK OFF!
@staticrubber this si what sony did. pure marketing.
# 24 parallel pixel-shader ALU pipes * 5 ALU operations per pipeline, per cycle (2 vector4 , 2 scalar/dual/co-issue and fog ALU, 1 Texture ALU)[citation needed] * 27 floating-point operations per pipeline, per cycle[citation needed]
# 8 parallel vertex pipelines * 2 ALU operations per pipeline, per cycle (1 vector4 and 1 scalar, dual issue)[citation needed] * 10 FLOPS per pipeline, per cycle
@henryhenriquez if ps3 was as weak as you claim it wouldn't have the amazing exclusives it has now and are coming to it in 2011.think about it.would that kind of machine be able to handle those kind of exclusives?no
oh,and one more link to prove that i'm right.again,replace (dot) with an actual dot.
@staticrubber First, RSX peaks at 400.4 GFLOPS according to the calculation (24*27+8*10)*550, but the consensual value around the web is 364 GFLOPS (don't ask me why).
Second, Cell peaks at 179.2 GFLOPS, so PS3's peak performance is 543.2 GFLOPS (or 579.6 according to the calculation). The 2 TFLOPS figure is just ridiculous.
Third, God of War 3 is rendered at 1280x720 and Gran Turismo 5 is rendered at either 1280x1080 (2x AA) or 1280x720 (4x AA). Neither are Full HD (1920x1080) titles.
@NewLynxChannel this way of calculations is wrong.you're multiplying on the clockage?stupid.that's not correct.and don't forget memory.memory does accelerate the work.and every website says that RSX does 1.8 teraflops.you can't argue with every website.To my surprise the Xenos gpu does 1.2 teraflops.and the xdr used in PS3 is clocked at 3.2 ghz and it also has gddr3 memory which is clocked at 700mhz.OMG you don't know shit so check official websites for specs.if ps3 was that weak it'd be dead.
@staticrubber I don't know what dubious website you're looking at, but NVIDIA's documentation about the G70/G71 chip makes it very clear that it has 24 pixel shaders that make up to 27 floating-point operations per cycle and 8 vertex shader that make up to 10 floating-point operations per cycle. That's (24*27+8*10)*550, which makes 400.4 GFLOPS. As for Xenos, it's 48 unified shaders that make up to 10 operations per cycle, so 48*10*500 = 240 GFLOPS.
Also, on RAMBUS' documentation about about XDR DRAM, you can see that it is clocked at 400 MHz and tranfers 8 bits per cycle, which makes a data rate of 3.2 GT/s. It's 3.2 Gigatranfers per second, NOT 3.2 Gigahertz.. And it uses a dual channel (64-bit or 8 bytes) bus, so the bandwidth is 400*8*8 = 25.6 GB/s.
Believe me, if you want information about RSX and XDR, there is no better place to get them than in the documentation from their own manufacturers.
@NewLynxChannel and @henryhenriquez are you two fuckin kidding me?you're multiplying at a clockage rate?stupid.and btw not only pipelines produce flops.cell doesn't have pipelines but does it do FLOPS?yes.
3rd.sony and microsoft invested a lot of money in the GPUs since the lifespan of their consoles is about 7 years.Nvidia&Sony paid a lot of attention to FLOPS.
4th.memory also determines performance.including FLOPS
5th.Would a 7800gt(or whatever it's called) be able to handle killzone 2/3,GOW 3,crysis 2,uncharted 2?
@staticrubber memory has no effect on flops or very little.
and secong sony and microsoft dont make gpu(ths shitty onboard of intel is another story)
pipelines are for efficient rendering. why do think no cpu, cell included is not used for rendering?
the xbox360 cpu and ps3 cpu come from ati and nvidia and the gpu used on the consoles are high end cpu at the time of the console(well not really high end since rsx is weak at the time, but the xenos was high end)
@henryhenriquez second wow those games are 720p and 30 fps.. and in memory the consoles have VERY little like 256MB dedicated and 512 shared(xbox360). for graphics
from IBM:
At 3.2 GHz, each SPE gives a theoretical 25.6 GFLOPS of single precision performance,
and a ppe gives also 25,6GFLOPS.
25,6 x 6 =153.6 + 25.6= 179.2
rsx=550 MHz, (24 parallel pixel-shader ALU pipes, 27 floating-point operations per pipeline, per cycle)
(8 parallel vertex pipelines,0 FLOPS per pipeline, per cycle) do the mat
@henryhenriquez i didn't say that ms and sony make GPUs.rsx wasn't weak.it's more powerful than xenos.just see the fuckin specs.and a 7800gtx wouldn't handle.the same mutiplatform games that are both on pc and ps3 require way more advanced cards than 7800gtx and they practically perform & look the same on all platforms.if ps3 was that weak,well you know....
yes,everybody is concerned on the performance of the RSX.and sony wouldn't lie like that.no dev has said that RSX is weaker than sony claims
@staticrubber hm the gtx7800 is actually more powerfull having double the ROP then the rsx(they had to cut back somewhere).
rsx is weak in real world performance the xenos beats it.
the xenos has 48 shaders to the rsx 32shaders. and unified shaders own dedicated shader, why do you think nvidia switch to unified later on? becuase thats the way to go less chance of bottlenichking.
and no your still gaming in 2006. crysis is a 2007 game reason they gimbed the engine to make it work.
@henryhenriquez 1st.rsx's pipelines are WAY more powerful than xenos' pipelines.each pipeline in xenos does 2 pixel shader ops/secons and 2 vertex shader ops/second and in rsx they do 5.7 pixel shader ops/second and 2 vertex shader ops/second.rsx does more FLOPS.it has faster texture filling units.RSX also has faster memory.(don't argue with that)
2nd. we spell ''bottlenecking'' not ''bottlenichking''
@staticrubber not way more. like 1,4 times. but the number of shader per type is limited. if it hits a the limit of the 10 pipelines its going to lag like hell while xbox360 just dedicates more to that type.
rsx doesnt have faster memory retard both are at 22GB/s both use gddr3. are you stupid?
and the fill rate of the rsx is inferior to the xenos, and the xenos has a duaghter die wich the rsx doesnt so free AA up to 2-4.
xenos can render more polygons then the rsx too, by double
@staticrubber its just dedicated shaders. but why do you think no gpu today use dedicated shaders? becuase they are a dead end. too many bottlenecks in real world performance. becuase once they are filled its over.
and ps3 only has 8 pipelines for paralax. once that fills up its over. and the same doesnt happen to xenos. reason why dedicated shader lost to unified shader. just like hd dvd lost to blue ray(easy for you to understand)
@staticrubber and multiplatforms look betetr on the xbox360. more capable gpu, even if the ps3 can use the cell for post procesing no developer would waste time for it if they are working on 3 platforms.
and the ps3 is weak. pc has hit native 1080p and beyond. while the ps3 barely does 720p, uncharted 2 is 720p but 30 fps... so yea.. not allot there.
i can play crysis at 1600p and 60fps... so yea. they are weak.
sony lied about ALLOT. like playing in 1080p.. lol im still waiting for a game
@staticrubber What he was telling you is that Cell doesn't have graphics pipelines, and therefore no ROPs, no TMUs, and very poor rendering performance compared to a GPU. It has nothing to do with FLOPS performance.
Also, there's no "clockage rate". It's just "clock", or "frequency". And FLOPS performance does depend on frequency, which is why it increases when you overclock a processor. Similarly, memory bandwidth is also dependent on frequency.
And finally, a single XDR2 chip (51.2 GB/s) are faster than a single GDDR5 chip (28 GB/s). The problem is that XDR2 is only available on 32-bit (single-channel) or 64-bit (dual-channel) configurations, achieving up to 102.4 GB/s, while multiple GDDR5 modules can be used in parallel to create very large buses, achieving up to 336 GB/s (1750 MHz, 384-bit).
Also, the XDR used on the PS3 is clocked at 400 MHz and achieves only 25.6 GB/s.
@henryhenriquez GRAN TURISMO RUNS AT A SLIGHTLY HIGHER RES THAN 720P AND IT RUNS AT A CONSTANT 60 FRAMES PER SECOND.THERE ARE A LOT OF GAMES THAT RUN AT 720P 60FPS.
YOU'RE A TOTAL LIAR.I'VE BEEN CHECKING VIDS ON PS3 AND YOU SEEM TO BE ARGUING IN EVERY OF THEM.ARE YOU A PS3 HATER?FUCK YOU .
FUCK LIARS LIKE YOU.STOP BEING AN ASSHOLE.YOU DON'T KNOW SHIT.YES,THE CELL IS A PHENOMENAL PROCESSOR.AND STOP BELIEVING STUPID DEVELOPER QUOTES YOU PC FAGGOT.
@staticrubber wich are? gt5 isnt very impressive. bad shadows, low AA, background looks washed out.
killzone2,3 gof od war 3, uncharted 2, mgs4(isnt even 720p). are all under 60 fps. 30 fps most.
and no im not a hater. i do hate fanboys. both ps3 and xbox360. go into xbox360 vids and you will see me owning them too. i just tell the truth if you dont believe it your a fanboy.
@henryhenriquez Actually, since RAMBUS dropped the production of XDR in favor of XDR2, the XDR chips Sony is currently using are manufactured by Samsung. But RAMBUS' documentation is still valid, of course.
@henryhenriquez can you please explain to me how you got that killzone 2&3 and uncharted 2 and god of war 3 isnt 720p? because im looking all over where you could of found that but i got nothing. the only thing i got is that god of war and uncharted etc. are upscalled from 720p to 1080p.
@henryhenriquez The fact that you actually think you're so clever is rather amusing, maybe you should get a life instead of trying rant about games and belittle other people. Lol you're a stupid cunt, I couldnt care less if im wrong. I obviously hit a nerve with you
@33grass33 get a life... lol always when some1 beats them in a argument they go with the lame excuse like get a life. or i have a life etc.. funy right
@33grass33 lol whats next?? say i have no life becuase i play solitair??
lol took me 4-6 years to level my caracter in maple that high. so im pretty shure it wasnt a grind in 1 month no life thing. but slowly. lol
you can try trolling me but it wont work kid. i know your type. gets buthurt when he losses a discusion and tries justify lossing becuase the other one has no life.. lol lame attemp i should say. how about the other guy is just better then you lol
@33grass33 That henryhenriquez guy is a keyboard warrior aka internet tough guy. He has no life, he needs some competion so he goes around trolling the net with BS. But dw, I've owned him.
@henryhenriquez wikipedia is the only source that says the performance of RSX pipelines right?(FLOPS)but it says ''citation needed'' so which means the information needs verification.I.O.W. this might be false information.
@staticrubber NVIDIA has documentation about the G70 chip, look for it and see for yourself.
It has 24 shaders that perform up to 27 floating-point operations per cycle, 8 shaders that perform up to 10 floating-point operations per cycle, and on RSX's case, is clocked at 550 MHz (550 million cycles per second). Now pull up your calculator and tell me, up to how many floating-point operations per second ("FLOPS") can this G70 chip perform?
@henryhenriquez OH,JUST FORGOT TO MENTION.CELL PERFECTLY DOES VERTEX SHADER OPERATIONS.UNCHARTED 2 USES CELL TO PERFORM THEM.SO,WHERE'S THE BOTTLENECK.AND RSX'S 24 PIXEL SHADER PIPELINES CAN DO ALMOST 2X MORE EVEN IF USE ALL OF THE XENOS' 48 SHADER PIPELINES FOR PIXEL SHADERS(WHICH IS IMPOSSIBLE CAUSE YOU'LL HAVE TO USE SOME PIPELINES FOR VERTEX SHADERS)
0:40-0:45 the part with the cars driving on the freeway at night, that part was used for The Rock's heel entrance video in WWE
ghostflyable23 5 days ago
Good video. However, inaccurate fact. The PS3 does not have eight processors.
the0real0realitykid 2 weeks ago
my phenom 955 rapes this
halo56822 2 weeks ago
@halo56822 LOL the Cell CPU is equal to the i7 920, the GFLOPS are similar
quangluu96 2 weeks ago
@quangluu96 No, it is not. A Bloomfield processor such as the Core i7-920 achieves over 50 GFLOPS in double precision in a real-world scenario. Cell, on the other hand, has a theoretical peak performance of just 20.8 GFLOPS in double precision, meaning the achieved performance in a real-world usage scenario would be lower than that.
Besides, FLOPS performance is not all that matters. Bloomfield runs circles around Cell in MIPS performance (integer/boolean operations), for example.
NewLynxS 1 week ago
@NewLynxS that's only core vs core, if u include the 8 SPEs it would be ~200GFLOPS
quangluu96 1 week ago
@quangluu96 That is including the SPEs. In double precision, Cell's PPE achieves up to 6.4 GFLOPS, plus 1.8 GFLOPS from each SPE. On the PS3, where only six SPEs are available, that's just 17.2 GFLOPS. And again, that is the theoretical peak performance. Applications will achieve a varying percentage of that value depending on how well they are optimized, but never 100%.
NewLynxS 1 week ago
@halo56822 Does it play Uncharted or the Killzone series...you pc heads amaze me..there's been only two fuc*ing games to come out in seven years that maximize your machines and you get on here and brag..the ps3 is fuc*ing five years old too..
sixerjones 1 week ago
@sixerjones It doesn't play those games because a PC version of them was never made. Had them been made, they would run much better on a mainstream PC than any console ever could.
And what difference does it make how many PC games "maximize" this platform? Even ordinary multiplatform games can get more demanding and technically complex on PC than the very best console exclusives are on their respective platforms. By PC standards, Uncharted and Killzone are very lightweight games.
NewLynxS 1 week ago
@NewLynxS My god you PC heads amaze me. I'll put Killzone3 or Uncharted 3 up against anything the PC has to offer and it will hold its own if not defeat anything on your machine. I'm been a graphics whore for ten years now and there is only two games that have edged out or compared to those two games. Crysis and BF3, THAT'S ALL! Now the developer for the Last Guardian has finally said the Ps3 will finally be maxed out. The PC is the bastard child of the industry at least for another ten years!
sixerjones 1 week ago
@sixerjones If it runs on the PS3's $38 processor and $46 GPU, it runs better on an average gaming PC. Deal with it.
Those games may have excelled on the artistic aspect, and I admire them for that. But on the technical aspect, they are nothing compared to what's available on PC.
NewLynxS 1 week ago
PC FANBOY = RICH KIDS
SADE050 1 month ago 5
@SADE050 agreed.
xXDEICIDE216Xx 3 weeks ago
SONY is da BOMB!!! That's a fact many PC fanboys, Do not understand. Those cells have not been completely released at their full power... Now I hope tomorrow that title called The Last Of Us show up what PS3 really mean! C'mon American tech sucks "PC" is just a tool mostly for Porn!! xD But PSTriple is flyde.
asunari99 1 month ago
@asunari99 Yes, it has. IBM uses fully-functional Cell processors on their server blades (QS20 lineup), unlike the PS3, where only six out of the eight SPEs are available for games. On top of that, in 2008 IBM released an improved version of that chip, PowerXCell 8i, which runs at the same 3.2 GHz but with many improvements for double-precision FLOPS performance (where the standard Cell processor is abysmal at). This new version is also available on their QS20 lineup.
NewLynxS 1 month ago
@asunari99 so what you're saying is uncharted 3 hasnt pushed ps3s full limit?
monkeydude106 4 days ago
STFU if you don't like ps3 pc fan boy
SADE050 1 month ago
can i play vanquish . shadow the damned . mortal kombat 9 . red dead redemption , star ocean the last hope , yakuza , killzone 2 ,3 , resistance , uncharted , heavy rain , modnation , gt5 , forza 4 , gears of war 3 , infamous , god of war 3 , demons souls, dark souls , marvel vs capcom 3 , danted inferno , the darkness , metal gear on pc??????????
chaturga13 2 months ago
Ps3 processor = core2duo E6650
gamer3386 3 months ago
@gamer3386 You're an idiot. core 2 duo has how many cores? The ps3's cell has one core but 8 SPE's and one PPE, which are all 40 % faster, and better then cores because they do not produce extra heat. Clocked at 3.2 GHz .
blueguy09 2 months ago
@blueguy09 Nonsense. First, any circuitry that has electrons running through it produces heat, and the SPEs are no exception. Second, 40% faster than what? The PPE (PowerPC core) is no match for a Conroe/Wolfdale core from a Core 2 Duo processor. And the eight SPEs may offer higher peak single-precision FLOPS performance, but as specialized units they are abysmal on everything else. Core 2 Duo processors have more cores, more cache, newer instructions and a much more efficient microarchitecture.
NewLynxS 2 months ago
This misic so serious, but this commercial... BEST EVER!!!
TheNickBellich 3 months ago
what game was that? somebody help
ollosllorones 3 months ago
when i saw this in 2006 i was like OH MY GOD. and now my computer just destroys the living shit out of the ps3
captainclayman 3 months ago
@captainclayman more like my smartphone! hahahah
IrishKnowsBest 2 months ago
@captainclayman "my computer just destroys the living shit out of the ps3" is a terrible over exaggeration.
Your computer can be super beast but it still doesn't have a proper game that looks as beautiful as Uncharted 3.
TheEvilPadawan 1 month ago
@TheEvilPadawan you trolling? go check crysis, crysis 2, battlefield 3, and skyrim... they totally rape unsharted 3..L0L unsharted 3 looks like shit compared to them!!
camargo2012 1 month ago
@camargo2012 I own Battlefield 3, rented Crysis 2 and trust me I've seen plenty of Skyrim which is also the worst looking game of the ones you listed. It may be a fantastic video game but it's not THAT great looking due to the large environments. Have you seen some of the faces in that game? How people move? Also right now is not the time to be talking about it with all the issues it has been having.
TheEvilPadawan 1 month ago
@TheEvilPadawan first of all.. NO PS3 game looks as good as the PC.... have you seen the cryengine 3 tech demo? no, cryengine has one of the world's most expensive renderings ever made...L0L the PS3 cant even handle Anti-Aliasing TROLOLOLOLOL what you said about the faces(aka the physics) is totally invalid as to the fact that a syngle midrange GPU has up to 10 times more horse power than the PS3 GPU... which means the physics are better on cryengine no matter what..
camargo2012 1 month ago
@camargo2012 I was talking about the Skyrim faces. They look shit on anything. PC, PS3 and 360. Deal with it. Also tech demos always look better than they actually are. Don't give me stats and stupid explanations. U3 is the best. Eat your heart out in denial and nerdy talk.
TheEvilPadawan 1 month ago
@TheEvilPadawan U3 is shit!!! man can believe how ignorant u are!! i own both a PC and a PS3 U3 is just another tomb rider rip off...
camargo2012 1 month ago
@camargo2012 I've played all the Tomb Raiders. I even bought the HD collection that just came out. They ain't got shit on Drake :)
TheEvilPadawan 1 month ago
@TheEvilPadawan stil a rip off.
camargo2012 1 month ago
@camargo2012 Both Lara and Drake are a rip off Indiana Jones. What's your point?
TheEvilPadawan 1 month ago
@TheEvilPadawan that doesnt stop it from being a rip off....
camargo2012 1 month ago
@camargo2012 so everything that's ever used vampires, orcs, warewolves, wizards and witches is a stupid rip off some REALLY old books? lol
TheEvilPadawan 1 month ago
Lol, at 1:26 it zooms out to reveal Skyrim :O
themixedarts 4 months ago
kinda funny watching this now on my badass computer that dusts the shit out of of PS3. even when the ps3 came out my computer was better, but not by much. now days its sort of a joke lol
iandud3 5 months ago
@iandud3 It's about software not hardware.
themixedarts 4 months ago
@themixedarts this video is about hardware. but more to the point, i dont think anyone would argue ps3 is more powerful or has better software capabilities than a computer. they dont use ps3's to run super computers now lol
iandud3 4 months ago
@iandud3 I'm talking about the games lol, wich is software...
themixedarts 4 months ago
@themixedarts oh well yeah i mean its no secret games are being developed more for consoles than PC, but thats cause of sales. its pretty easy to download PC games i do it all the time, so they aint wastin money on something people will just get for free. but software is to a point where its too good for the computers(or console)...gotta wait for the hardware to catch up. check out nvidia tech demos to see what i mean. we can make untra realistic games if only computers could handle em
iandud3 4 months ago
@themixedarts watch this: /watch?v=WeJDesNsQ2Y thats not rendered thats real time(in game), but you see its taking ALL the processing power of a bad ass computer to make it look that good. couldn't make a full game that sexy until the hardware catches up
iandud3 4 months ago
@iandud3 Yea i've seen that before, i'd say were proabably like 10-20 years away of having an acutal game with graphics that good. Well, on a PC that the general public can afford anyway.
themixedarts 4 months ago
@themixedarts man i hope its sooner than that. i can't wait much longer!
iandud3 4 months ago
@iandud3 and still gamers prefer the ps3
GranKnight87 3 months ago
@GranKnight87 WHAT GAMERS YOU MEAN PUSSY GAMERS BUT STILL GAMERS
gamer3386 3 months ago
I could kill for that voice... 0_o ( Yes-my master...)
gajda1000 5 months ago
no, not smarter that "you", because without "you" to tell it what to do it will sit on it's metaphoricial hands. but 2trillion calculations a second, I really could have used that in Further maths exams this June.
F12Y14N25 6 months ago
thanks to this you can play games that can hold up to 74 players online. I forgot what was the game but it came out with Socom 4. but it was a demo
CombatArms1st 6 months ago
Eve Online should get a port to PS3.
Adrammalech7570 8 months ago
this looks and sounds like tron
rasor2k9 9 months ago
como se llama el juego de aviones que aparece en el minuto 1:40
Catal1zt 9 months ago
Now they just need to make a decent graphics card,
norien123 9 months ago
cell is power, but rsx is cheap
MrCrazyGenio 9 months ago
@MrCrazyGenio rsx cost more then the cell.
so wrong there
henryhenriquez 9 months ago
@henryhenriquez @MrCrazyGenio whatever , anyway PS3 rules, with cheap or expensive components
MrCrazyGenio 9 months ago
playstation 3 is the best!!!
re2fanXXheart 10 months ago 29
Where I can download this video in HD?
taurusvisi 10 months ago
General Shephard! You're alive?
bballn33 11 months ago 11
Who cares about GFLOPS? cant we just have fun playing games? WTF?
szor1 11 months ago
@szor1 FLOPS is a performance measurement. And the higher the performance of the platform, the more interesting possibilities its games have.
NewLynxChannel 11 months ago
@szor1
Yes, hence the name Playstation, you don't need to know about any of this techno stuff.
Usul573 10 months ago
The Grid.. I digital frontier.. i tried to picture clusters of information moving through the computer.. what did they look like? i pictured a world i thought ide never see.. then one day... i got it... (Epic Daft Punk Intro)
ARoundCube 11 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
PS3 is smarter than me, he got A+ on math
PNicolauV 11 months ago
OMG PC FANBOYS STFU.
staticrubber 1 year ago
You're stupid for comparing the PS3 to a PC. PS comes from PLAY station,PC comes from Personal COMPUTER with which you can do more things than just play,so duh it's gonna have to be better.But the PS3 is the best amongst consoles
ArcticStalkerX 1 year ago
Too bad no programmer wants to program for the PS3 cell, which is why the library for the console sucked so bad in the beginning. Its sad but true. the Cell is too complex to be fully used properly, so in a way it's a waste of money. The Cell is what killed the PS3 guys. :(
FritzProductions27 1 year ago
Guys we understand both systems can do 1080p. the difference is the ps3's GPU is more advanced giving more ways to enhance the grapics of games
ktmboyy 1 year ago
@ktmboyy no the xbox360 gpu is more advance then the ps3 gpu.
henryhenriquez 1 year ago
@henryhenriquez no it's not.see the official specs separately.RSX is like 2x more powerful.
staticrubber 1 year ago
@staticrubber rsx does 368glops.. thats not allot
and itys shaders, ram, all severly bottle neck it..
and the cell does do 17gflops in double precision. it does 178glfops in single precision
my i7 does 105gflops in DOUBLE precision.
my gpu does 3400gflops in single precision and like 800 in double.. get out fanboy you will get owned
henryhenriquez 1 year ago
@henryhenriquez you're joking right? SEE THE OFFICIAL SPECS.in total,the ps3 has 1.8 teraflop performance.it does 136 shader operations per cycle.RSX doesn't bottleneck.the ram is good.(xdr is a very powerful type of ram)and it's clocked at somewhere 3.7 or 1.3 ghz(i don't remember).modern pcs are better than consoles but it took em somewhere 2.5 years to become better and more advanced(GPUs i mean).ps3 has a lot of horsepower.just see the exclusives and you'll know what i mean.
staticrubber 1 year ago
@staticrubber how does a rsx. aka the 7800gtx do 1,8 terra flop when not even the gtx580 the most powerfull nvidia card only does around 1500-1600gflops? explain retard?
and the gtx580 has 512 shaders, 1,5GB ram, and is clock at a higher frequenties DO TELL retard.
rsx does 342Gflops. thats fact.
and xdr is at 400MHz
it transfer speed is 25GB/s
even my ddr3 at stock is 31GB/s
if ps3 is a horse power how doesn ti beat crysis? a game from 2007? and easy ti max now a days?
keep trying
henryhenriquez 1 year ago
@henryhenriquez i swear you're talking too much shit.the memory isn't clocked at 400 mhz..and crysis is a bad coded game.even gtx 580 barely runs it and the graphics aren't that innovative.RSX doesn't do 342 gflops .it does somewhere 1.6 teraflops.you don't know shit.FACE IT.both ps3's and 360's GPUs were better at their time.the RSX introduced 128 bit precision,Xenos was one of the first to use unified shader architecture.if RSX was as weak as you claim it wouldn't run gt5 at 1080p w/60 fps.
staticrubber 1 year ago
@staticrubber the rsx is a gtx7800 from 2005-6 so you failed.
gt5 isnt 1920x1080p(thats 1080p full hd. it runs at 1280x1080p (failure)
rsx does 342gflops. and it inferior to xenos.
keep trying
gtx580 has more then 10 times more shaders. 32vs512.<<< should i luagh at you?
ram 256MB vs 1,5GB
22GB/s vs 180GB/s
so in conclusion the gtx580 is like 10 times more powerfull.
and the gtx580 does around 1500gflops.. lol
failure retard
henryhenriquez 1 year ago
@staticrubber PS3's XDR RAM runs at 400 MHz, but since it tranfers 8 bits per cycle (1 Hz), its effective data rate is 8 * 400 = 3200 MT/s (3.2 GT/s). Similarly, DDR3-1333 RAM runs at 666.66 MHz, but since it tranfers 2 bits per cycle, it's 2 * 666.66 = 1333.33 MT/s.
fail agian retard.
rsx is only 25GB/s
while ddr3 at 666x2 is 31GB/s
keep failing.
henryhenriquez 1 year ago
@henryhenriquez stop saying crap bitch.no wonder everyone keeps arguing with you.I don't care what you say retard.If you wish,i can give you some links.so stfu nerd.
staticrubber 1 year ago
@staticrubber go wikipedia look at the gtx580 it does 1580gflops. so how does a rsx do 1800gflops? lol?
want the spec list of the rsx vs the gtx580?
lol?
the gtx580 rapes the fuck out of the rsx and the rsx has more flops? lol?
are you being stupid?
rsx 342gflops end of discusion
henryhenriquez 1 year ago
@henryhenriquez well, i donno.everywhere i checked it says the ps3 in general does 1.8 teraflops.
staticrubber 1 year ago
@staticrubber they timed it agiant alu or ROP me and newlynch saw it once. they did the calculation wrong.
and 1800gflops is rmeo then the best nvidia card.
so its bs.
you believe sony or the company that made the rsx?
sony lied about allot
henryhenriquez 1 year ago
@henryhenriquez hmmm,maybe ps3 does 1.8 teraflops because the GPU and CPU are tightly integrated?and don't forget that the Cell can handle graphics processing.and in total they have 600+ million transistors.
staticrubber 1 year ago
@staticrubber no gpu does 364gflops and cell does 178gflops( 1 ppe and 6 spe each doing 25,6gflops)
so in total 5542gflops.
cell can only do post procesing it doesnt have any graphics pipelines needed to render.
so it will render as bad as any cpu.
241,000,000 transisors the cell has.
and hat my gpu has 2 billion transistors
henryhenriquez 1 year ago
@henryhenriquez ok,now i'm tired.just check as i said.END OF DISCUSSION.
staticrubber 1 year ago
@henryhenriquez ok,type ''ps3 specs'' in google.OWNED.and gtx in my opinion has faster performance than you're saying.and i was mistaken too.the total performance of ps3 is 2 teraflops.
staticrubber 1 year ago
@staticrubber total ps3 performance is 542gflops end of discusion
the rsx is a gtx7800 with half the ROP disabled.
you are owned
deal with it.
not even the gtx580 does 1,8terraflop.
so you are wrong end of discusion.
henryhenriquez 1 year ago
@henryhenriquez and gtx 580 doesn't have 512 shaders you moron.it has 512 stream processors.and i don't know about floating point operations.it's a fact that RSX does 1.6 teraflops.it's also 2x more powerful than 7800 Ultra as nvidia and sony claimed.you're saying milseading crap.and don't expect a GPU to be better just because it's newer.(though gtx 580 IS better).stop exagerrating PC fanboy.I do agree that PCs are technically better but not THAT much.
staticrubber 1 year ago
@staticrubber it has 512 shader each with own group.. retard.
# 1 SPs - Shader Processors - Unified Shaders (Vertex shader / Geometry shader / Pixel shader) : TMUs - Texture mapping units : Render Output unit
# 2 Each Streaming Multiprocessor(SM) in the GPU of GF110 architecture contains 32 SPs and 4 SFUs.
failure
no sony stated more powerfull then a 6800 untrla dont confuse them stupid.
the rsx IS a 7800gtx with half the ROP disabled. so FAILED AGIAN
henryhenriquez 1 year ago
@henryhenriquez check this
product-reviews(dot)net/2010/01/11/sony-ps3-vs-high-end-pc-graphics-cards-smoothing/
staticrubber 1 year ago
@staticrubber listen to yourself saying a rsx is more powerfull then a gtx580 lol
and the link doesnt work
henryhenriquez 1 year ago
@staticrubber I don't know where you got the 1.8Tflops from because.....
PS3 RSX specs (of select specific interests only)
- 500 MHz G71 based GPU on 90 nm process - 24 parallel pixel-shader ALU westly pipes - 27 FLOPS per pipeline, per cycle - 8 parallel vertex pipelines - 10 FLOPS per pipeline, per cycle
Resulting Floating Point Operations per Second: 364 Gigaflops per Second ((27*24 + 8*10)*500)
end of discusion retard
henryhenriquez 1 year ago
@henryhenriquez it's clocked at 550 mhz.get it right retard.
staticrubber 1 year ago
@staticrubber wont make it magically 1800gflops.
henryhenriquez 1 year ago
@henryhenriquez just type ''RSX gpu specs'' in google.then check the vgescape link.or just type ''ps3 specs'' in google.and i think gtx 580 should have better performance than your saying.
staticrubber 1 year ago
@staticrubber your link is fully wrong.
rsx does not do 1,8 terraflops it doesnt even reach 400gflops.
and no you calculate flops by this
(shader times pipelines + shader times pipelines) times frequentie
and in ps3 case ita like this
(27*24 + 8*10)*500)=364gflops
a gtx580 does 1580gflops so you ARE wrong
henryhenriquez 1 year ago
@henryhenriquez i checked wiki and WOW was i amazed.wikipedia isn't that much reliable.
staticrubber 1 year ago
@staticrubber wiki isnt very.
but they never stated the rsx does ,8 teeraflops. and they state the gtx580 does 1580gflops and thats from the developers nvidia the one who made your rsx. sony didnt really make anything.
ibm made cell, rambus made the xdr, and nvidia made the rsx.
so who should you trust?
henryhenriquez 1 year ago
@henryhenriquez well,xdr memory IS faster than gddr5.but let's stop talking ok?i am a bit confused.
staticrubber 1 year ago
@staticrubber xdr is at 25GB/s
gddr5 is at 180GB/s
so you are wrong agian...
this is the truth
PS3's XDR RAM runs at 400 MHz, but since it tranfers 8 bits per cycle (1 Hz), its effective data rate is 8 * 400 = 3200 MT/s (3.2 GT/s). Similarly, DDR3-1333 RAM runs at 666.66 MHz, but since it tranfers 2 bits per cycle, it's 2 * 666.66 = 1333.33 MT/s.
google more kid.
henryhenriquez 1 year ago
@henryhenriquez and xdr memory IS faster than gddr5.you're a liar.a 100% liar.check every website.rambus.com for example.
staticrubber 1 year ago
@staticrubber i can explain everything to you about the ps3... its very easy really
-__-
in short you fell for sony propaganda.. if you think the ps3 is so powerfull why isnt god of war 3, killzone2 uncarted 2 in 1080p? why arent they 60 fps?
why are they 720p and 30 fps?
its simple ps3 isnt as powerfull as sony advertissed
henryhenriquez 1 year ago
@henryhenriquez WHY DON'T THOSE GAMES RUN AT 1080P IN 60 FPS?CAUSE THE VENDOR WANTS SO!!
FACE IT!RSX DOES MORE FLOPS THAN 580,BUT AMD RADEON 5970 DOES 2.7 TERAFLOPS.EVERY WEBSITE SAYS THAT.SHOULD I TRUST YOU OR EVERY WEBSITE?
SONY AND NVIDIA PAID A LOT OF ATTENTION TO FLOATING POINT PERFORMANCE.BUT MODERN GPUS BEAT RSX IN ALL OTHER ASPECTS.JUST FACE IT OK?
BTW SONY ISN'T A LIAR.WHAT DID THEY LIE ABOUT?NOTHING.THE PS3'S CPU IS 40X MORE POWERFUL THAN THE PS2'S CPU(FLOPS)JUST FACE IT.
staticrubber 1 year ago
@staticrubber 5970 does 4,7terraflops for the record.
you are wrong gddr3 is at 180GB/s+
while xdr is at a measly 25GB/s
frequencie means nothing in ram.
bandwith is whats important.
rsx is a gtx7800 with half the ROP disabled.
so you are wrong agian. keep trying retard.
ps2 cpu is the weakest cpu out of the last gen...
so yea?
henryhenriquez 1 year ago
@henryhenriquez i don't fuckin care what lies you say retard,got that?and learn to type please.let's stop arguing now.we've already fucked up this entire webpage.
staticrubber 1 year ago
@henryhenriquez watch jon4laker's videos please.and stop saying crap you liar.
staticrubber 1 year ago
@staticrubber keep believing BS
right.. becuase the vendor wants it right.. lol they advertised 1080p but no games for it LOL?
right keep believing faries.
gdd3 can go to 50GB/s gddr5 above 180GB/s
so you are wrong agian google it if you dont believe you retard
henryhenriquez 1 year ago
@henryhenriquez
overclock(dot)net/hardware-news/418369-rambus-xdr-2-vs-gddr5-future.html
rambus(dot)com/us/technology/solutions/xdr2/xdr2_vs_gddr5.html
OWNED.and god of war 3 runs at 1080p w/40-60 frames per second.gran turismo 5 runs at 1080p with a CONSTANT 60 frames per second.why may the vendor not want a 1080p game?well,not all televisions support 1080p and people might not buy em that's why you jerk.stop
give me the links which say the BS that you're saying.
staticrubber 1 year ago
@staticrubber god of war 3 runs 720 and 30-40 fps OWNED AGIAN.
gt5 runs at 1280x1080p thats not full hd full hs is 1920x1080. so FAILED AGIAN kid.
want a real link? not bs link by people who dont know anything?
ps3 xdr is at 25GB/s
gddr5 in my gpu is at 180GB/s facts cannot be denied kid
henryhenriquez 1 year ago
@henryhenriquez
no, god of war runs 720p, 30-60fps(avarage~45fps) and MLAA(better than mlaa x4).
ps3 exclusive, god of war 3 or uncharted 2 is most beautiful games on any platform.
GraphicComparison 1 year ago
@GraphicComparison
*MLAA(better than MSaa x4).
GraphicComparison 1 year ago
@GraphicComparison MLAA is not "better than 4x MSAA". It's not actual anti-aliasing to begin with. MLAA is a post-processing effect that detects and blurs edges. Actual AA, like MSAA and SSAA, is done by taking multiple color samples inside the same pixel during rasterization.
NewLynxChannel 1 year ago
@GraphicComparison well to bad.. msaa can go up to 32AA... so mlaa is still way inferior.
god of war 3 avarage 40 fps.(vsynch).
most beatiful?
lol?
try crysis, metro2033, lost planet, bc2, all pc games that use dx10-11.
your ps3 doesnt come close to a pc.
whats next saying ps3 has 9 cores? it does 2 terraflops as the other loser??
henryhenriquez 1 year ago
@GraphicComparison oh yea since you blcoked me
@GraphicComparison mlla wasnt around when killzone2 come out so bs to that.
and ps3 cant do deffered shading with AA.
nice try.
try full real time ambient occlusion, and full real time global ilumination, and full realtime dynamic lightning and soft shadows,
killzone2+3 have none of these.
like almost all of illzone2 lightning is prerendered.. so yea. nothing special. no time of day dynamic lightning.. so yea
crysis>>>>>>killzone2 in technically.
henryhenriquez 1 year ago
@henryhenriquez
BULLSHIT!
killzone 2 -defered rendering + qaa
killzone 3-defered rendering+mlaa
read pdf guerilla technology.
"try full real time ambient occlusion, and full real time global ilumination,"
in crysis no real time GI, even prerendered gi, only direct lights and global ambient lights.
"like almost all of illzone2 lightning is prerendered"
again you lie!! look video on you tube"Killzone 2 Dynamic Lighting". in killzone 2 every light is dynamic, realtime.
you are lier!!!
GraphicComparison 1 year ago
@GraphicComparison qaa is VERY shitty. and not real AA.
rsx cant do defereed shading+AA at the same time it cant. opengl2 doesnt do it.
right lol.
no realtime lightning at all. all prerendered.
only one source not changing= not dynamic.=killzone2.
nice try
henryhenriquez 1 year ago
GraphicComparison 1 year ago
henryhenriquez 1 year ago
@GraphicComparison Hey thanks for that video of Killzone 2 Dynamic Lighting, I never knew about that :D
tazss159 9 months ago
@henryhenriquez replace the (dot) in the given links with an actual dot.youtube just doesn't let me paste links and that's why i ''fool'' it.
staticrubber 1 year ago
@staticrubber bye bye was nice knowing you ^^
henryhenriquez 1 year ago
@henryhenriquez 1ST.STOP BEING SO BITCHY.
2ND.PS3 PERFECTLY HANDLES 720P YOU RETARD
3RD.MOST MULTIPLATS LOOK BETTER ON 360 CAUSE THEY'RE FIRST MADE ON 360 AND THEN PORTED TO PS3 YOU NUMBFUCK.MULTIPLATS ALSO SELL BETTER ON 360 AND IT'S ''EASIER'' TO PROGRAM THAT'S WHY DEVELOPERS DON'T PAY THAT MUCH ATTENTION TO THE PS3 VERSIONS.
4TH.EVEN GTX 580 HANDLES CRYSIS AT A CHOPPY 30 FPS.THAT'S BEEN PROVED BY VIDS.
YOU'RE A TOTAL LIAR BITCH!
4TH.YOU'RE SAYING TOO MUCH SHIT.I'M TOO TIRED TO ARGUE.FUCK OFF!
staticrubber 1 year ago
@staticrubber by the vids? yea the vids that use fraps... fraps basickly kills performance retard.
perfectly handles 720p? really? then why arent they 60 fps? why are they all 30 fps?
ncie try.
you have no understanding on how this shit works so stop before you embaras yourself more retard.
and lol calling a 580 gtx choppy 30 fps... lol thats what you are playing with a ps3 all 30 fps retard LOL way to be a hypocrite retard
henryhenriquez 1 year ago
@henryhenriquez you can either get ALU per pipeline or flops per pipelines the math is (shader x pipelines = shader+pipelines) frequentie
thats (24x27=8x10)x550
but sont did the calculation like this
(24x27x5+8x10x2)x550. thats not how you do flops
you can get either ALU or flops you cant get both.
so sony LIED to you
henryhenriquez 1 year ago
@henryhenriquez you have no idea on ps3 exclusives.god of war is a 1080p game.so is gran turismo you idiot.
and your way of calculations is wrong.replace (dot) with an actual dot.(youtube doesn't let me submit links)
vgescape(dot)com/features/84/ps3-specs
ps3.ign(dot)com/articles/614/614682p1.html
ps3rules(dot)com/ps3-specs.htm
ps3power(dot)com/ps3hardwarespecs.htm
kotaku(dot)com/103733/playstation-3-full-specs
OWNED AGAIN and you fail.hahaha. i haven't seen a website that says the BS you say.
staticrubber 1 year ago
@staticrubber this si what sony did. pure marketing.
# 24 parallel pixel-shader ALU pipes * 5 ALU operations per pipeline, per cycle (2 vector4 , 2 scalar/dual/co-issue and fog ALU, 1 Texture ALU)[citation needed] * 27 floating-point operations per pipeline, per cycle[citation needed]
# 8 parallel vertex pipelines * 2 ALU operations per pipeline, per cycle (1 vector4 and 1 scalar, dual issue)[citation needed] * 10 FLOPS per pipeline, per cycle
henryhenriquez 1 year ago
@staticrubber hardwaresecrets(dot)com/article/156
doesnt that look like the rsx? the gtx7800... lol. same shit -___-
and that card only does around 200gflops... with a 400MHz core.
agian NOT ever a gtx580 the most powerfull nvidia card. doesnt do 1800gflops...
and you believe a 2005 gpu does? lol?
get out of you hole and look at the truth.
and xdr is 400MHz. 8 tranfer per cycle. but its bandwith is 25GB/s<<<< this is important. the other 400MHz doesnt matter. but today its slow
henryhenriquez 1 year ago
@henryhenriquez and,please stop exagerrating on how much PCs are better than consoles.i hear a lot of PC fanboys saying too much BS.
staticrubber 1 year ago
@henryhenriquez if ps3 was as weak as you claim it wouldn't have the amazing exclusives it has now and are coming to it in 2011.think about it.would that kind of machine be able to handle those kind of exclusives?no
oh,and one more link to prove that i'm right.again,replace (dot) with an actual dot.
cnet(dot)com.au/playstation-3-the-full-specs-list-240054868.htm
staticrubber 1 year ago
@staticrubber First, RSX peaks at 400.4 GFLOPS according to the calculation (24*27+8*10)*550, but the consensual value around the web is 364 GFLOPS (don't ask me why).
Second, Cell peaks at 179.2 GFLOPS, so PS3's peak performance is 543.2 GFLOPS (or 579.6 according to the calculation). The 2 TFLOPS figure is just ridiculous.
Third, God of War 3 is rendered at 1280x720 and Gran Turismo 5 is rendered at either 1280x1080 (2x AA) or 1280x720 (4x AA). Neither are Full HD (1920x1080) titles.
NewLynxChannel 1 year ago
@NewLynxChannel this way of calculations is wrong.you're multiplying on the clockage?stupid.that's not correct.and don't forget memory.memory does accelerate the work.and every website says that RSX does 1.8 teraflops.you can't argue with every website.To my surprise the Xenos gpu does 1.2 teraflops.and the xdr used in PS3 is clocked at 3.2 ghz and it also has gddr3 memory which is clocked at 700mhz.OMG you don't know shit so check official websites for specs.if ps3 was that weak it'd be dead.
staticrubber 1 year ago
@staticrubber your fully wrong get out kid.
xenos does 200 soemthing gflops.
ps3 is weak. why do you think you are not playing in 1080p.
rsx does 368gflops deal with it.
you have to multiply the frequentie with shader with pipleines. or do you know how? no so stfu.
and xdr is at 400MHz the developers of the xdr RAMBUS say so.
and the developers of rsx NVIDIA say the gpu is 368gflops.
all the parts of the ps3 ARE NOT made by sony. sony just advertise BS to help sales
henryhenriquez 1 year ago
@staticrubber I don't know what dubious website you're looking at, but NVIDIA's documentation about the G70/G71 chip makes it very clear that it has 24 pixel shaders that make up to 27 floating-point operations per cycle and 8 vertex shader that make up to 10 floating-point operations per cycle. That's (24*27+8*10)*550, which makes 400.4 GFLOPS. As for Xenos, it's 48 unified shaders that make up to 10 operations per cycle, so 48*10*500 = 240 GFLOPS.
NewLynxChannel 1 year ago
@staticrubber Continued...
Also, on RAMBUS' documentation about about XDR DRAM, you can see that it is clocked at 400 MHz and tranfers 8 bits per cycle, which makes a data rate of 3.2 GT/s. It's 3.2 Gigatranfers per second, NOT 3.2 Gigahertz.. And it uses a dual channel (64-bit or 8 bytes) bus, so the bandwidth is 400*8*8 = 25.6 GB/s.
Believe me, if you want information about RSX and XDR, there is no better place to get them than in the documentation from their own manufacturers.
NewLynxChannel 1 year ago
@NewLynxChannel and @henryhenriquez are you two fuckin kidding me?you're multiplying at a clockage rate?stupid.and btw not only pipelines produce flops.cell doesn't have pipelines but does it do FLOPS?yes.
staticrubber 1 year ago
@staticrubber cell is another thing. its clearly stated that each spe and ppe does 25~ gflops.
so do the math kid.
and the the way to calculate flops on the gpu is (shader x pipelines+shader x pipelines) x frequentie(MHz of the core of the rsx)
so your made of fail
henryhenriquez 1 year ago
@henryhenriquez 1st.you fail
2nd.not only pipelines do FLOPS
3rd.sony and microsoft invested a lot of money in the GPUs since the lifespan of their consoles is about 7 years.Nvidia&Sony paid a lot of attention to FLOPS.
4th.memory also determines performance.including FLOPS
5th.Would a 7800gt(or whatever it's called) be able to handle killzone 2/3,GOW 3,crysis 2,uncharted 2?
congradulations!you fail miserably.
staticrubber 1 year ago
@staticrubber memory has no effect on flops or very little.
and secong sony and microsoft dont make gpu(ths shitty onboard of intel is another story)
pipelines are for efficient rendering. why do think no cpu, cell included is not used for rendering?
the xbox360 cpu and ps3 cpu come from ati and nvidia and the gpu used on the consoles are high end cpu at the time of the console(well not really high end since rsx is weak at the time, but the xenos was high end)
and a 7800gtx would handle
henryhenriquez 1 year ago
@henryhenriquez second wow those games are 720p and 30 fps.. and in memory the consoles have VERY little like 256MB dedicated and 512 shared(xbox360). for graphics
from IBM:
At 3.2 GHz, each SPE gives a theoretical 25.6 GFLOPS of single precision performance,
and a ppe gives also 25,6GFLOPS.
25,6 x 6 =153.6 + 25.6= 179.2
rsx=550 MHz, (24 parallel pixel-shader ALU pipes, 27 floating-point operations per pipeline, per cycle)
(8 parallel vertex pipelines,0 FLOPS per pipeline, per cycle) do the mat
henryhenriquez 1 year ago
@henryhenriquez i didn't say that ms and sony make GPUs.rsx wasn't weak.it's more powerful than xenos.just see the fuckin specs.and a 7800gtx wouldn't handle.the same mutiplatform games that are both on pc and ps3 require way more advanced cards than 7800gtx and they practically perform & look the same on all platforms.if ps3 was that weak,well you know....
yes,everybody is concerned on the performance of the RSX.and sony wouldn't lie like that.no dev has said that RSX is weaker than sony claims
staticrubber 1 year ago
@staticrubber hm the gtx7800 is actually more powerfull having double the ROP then the rsx(they had to cut back somewhere).
rsx is weak in real world performance the xenos beats it.
the xenos has 48 shaders to the rsx 32shaders. and unified shaders own dedicated shader, why do you think nvidia switch to unified later on? becuase thats the way to go less chance of bottlenichking.
and no your still gaming in 2006. crysis is a 2007 game reason they gimbed the engine to make it work.
henryhenriquez 1 year ago
@henryhenriquez 1st.rsx's pipelines are WAY more powerful than xenos' pipelines.each pipeline in xenos does 2 pixel shader ops/secons and 2 vertex shader ops/second and in rsx they do 5.7 pixel shader ops/second and 2 vertex shader ops/second.rsx does more FLOPS.it has faster texture filling units.RSX also has faster memory.(don't argue with that)
2nd. we spell ''bottlenecking'' not ''bottlenichking''
3rd.fuck off already!
staticrubber 1 year ago
@staticrubber not way more. like 1,4 times. but the number of shader per type is limited. if it hits a the limit of the 10 pipelines its going to lag like hell while xbox360 just dedicates more to that type.
rsx doesnt have faster memory retard both are at 22GB/s both use gddr3. are you stupid?
and the fill rate of the rsx is inferior to the xenos, and the xenos has a duaghter die wich the rsx doesnt so free AA up to 2-4.
xenos can render more polygons then the rsx too, by double
henryhenriquez 1 year ago
@staticrubber its just dedicated shaders. but why do you think no gpu today use dedicated shaders? becuase they are a dead end. too many bottlenecks in real world performance. becuase once they are filled its over.
and ps3 only has 8 pipelines for paralax. once that fills up its over. and the same doesnt happen to xenos. reason why dedicated shader lost to unified shader. just like hd dvd lost to blue ray(easy for you to understand)
now get over it fanboy
henryhenriquez 1 year ago
@staticrubber and multiplatforms look betetr on the xbox360. more capable gpu, even if the ps3 can use the cell for post procesing no developer would waste time for it if they are working on 3 platforms.
and the ps3 is weak. pc has hit native 1080p and beyond. while the ps3 barely does 720p, uncharted 2 is 720p but 30 fps... so yea.. not allot there.
i can play crysis at 1600p and 60fps... so yea. they are weak.
sony lied about ALLOT. like playing in 1080p.. lol im still waiting for a game
henryhenriquez 1 year ago
@staticrubber you fail epicly. funy right.
now for simple math,
550 x ( 24x27+10x8) =400.4gflops(we call it normally 368gflops dont ask why)
now 400,4 + 179,2=579.6GFLOPS end of discusion retard.
go fail somewhere else
henryhenriquez 1 year ago
@staticrubber What he was telling you is that Cell doesn't have graphics pipelines, and therefore no ROPs, no TMUs, and very poor rendering performance compared to a GPU. It has nothing to do with FLOPS performance.
Also, there's no "clockage rate". It's just "clock", or "frequency". And FLOPS performance does depend on frequency, which is why it increases when you overclock a processor. Similarly, memory bandwidth is also dependent on frequency.
Memory doesn't affect FLOPS performance at all.
NewLynxChannel 1 year ago
@staticrubber Continued...
And finally, a single XDR2 chip (51.2 GB/s) are faster than a single GDDR5 chip (28 GB/s). The problem is that XDR2 is only available on 32-bit (single-channel) or 64-bit (dual-channel) configurations, achieving up to 102.4 GB/s, while multiple GDDR5 modules can be used in parallel to create very large buses, achieving up to 336 GB/s (1750 MHz, 384-bit).
Also, the XDR used on the PS3 is clocked at 400 MHz and achieves only 25.6 GB/s.
NewLynxChannel 1 year ago
@henryhenriquez GRAN TURISMO RUNS AT A SLIGHTLY HIGHER RES THAN 720P AND IT RUNS AT A CONSTANT 60 FRAMES PER SECOND.THERE ARE A LOT OF GAMES THAT RUN AT 720P 60FPS.
YOU'RE A TOTAL LIAR.I'VE BEEN CHECKING VIDS ON PS3 AND YOU SEEM TO BE ARGUING IN EVERY OF THEM.ARE YOU A PS3 HATER?FUCK YOU .
FUCK LIARS LIKE YOU.STOP BEING AN ASSHOLE.YOU DON'T KNOW SHIT.YES,THE CELL IS A PHENOMENAL PROCESSOR.AND STOP BELIEVING STUPID DEVELOPER QUOTES YOU PC FAGGOT.
staticrubber 1 year ago
@staticrubber wich are? gt5 isnt very impressive. bad shadows, low AA, background looks washed out.
killzone2,3 gof od war 3, uncharted 2, mgs4(isnt even 720p). are all under 60 fps. 30 fps most.
and no im not a hater. i do hate fanboys. both ps3 and xbox360. go into xbox360 vids and you will see me owning them too. i just tell the truth if you dont believe it your a fanboy.
developers? lol sony didnt make anything.
gpu=nvidia
cpu=IBM
ram=rambus
lol?
listen to the devlopers retard not sony
henryhenriquez 1 year ago
@henryhenriquez Actually, since RAMBUS dropped the production of XDR in favor of XDR2, the XDR chips Sony is currently using are manufactured by Samsung. But RAMBUS' documentation is still valid, of course.
NewLynxChannel 1 year ago
@NewLynxChannel ye i heard that but i didnt have anything to confirm it... so yea. but im still right ^^
henryhenriquez 1 year ago
@henryhenriquez can you please explain to me how you got that killzone 2&3 and uncharted 2 and god of war 3 isnt 720p? because im looking all over where you could of found that but i got nothing. the only thing i got is that god of war and uncharted etc. are upscalled from 720p to 1080p.
Reiterj3 11 months ago
@Reiterj3 those tittles are 720p and 30 fps.
but black ops is 540p. so you are completly wrong.
henryhenriquez 11 months ago
@henryhenriquez well i never asked about black ops, and i was just wondering where you could of found that? you dont have to be a dick about it.
Reiterj3 11 months ago
@Reiterj3 beyond3d forums.
go google type in: list of rendering resolution... or i can send you a link -___-
henryhenriquez 11 months ago
@henryhenriquez thank you. thats all i needed to know.
Reiterj3 11 months ago
@henryhenriquez Which is why GoW3 and UC2 run at 60 fps......
33grass33 11 months ago
@33grass33 uncharted 2 runs 30 fps and so does gow3. get your facts straight first
henryhenriquez 11 months ago
@henryhenriquez The fact that you actually think you're so clever is rather amusing, maybe you should get a life instead of trying rant about games and belittle other people. Lol you're a stupid cunt, I couldnt care less if im wrong. I obviously hit a nerve with you
33grass33 11 months ago
@33grass33 not really hit a nerve i just correct retards like you.
who says stuf out of their ass and are just retarded fanboys who know nothing about anything.. did i hit a nerve ^^
henryhenriquez 11 months ago
@henryhenriquez lmao I just looked at your comment history. You REALLY NEED TO GET A LIFE.
33grass33 11 months ago
@33grass33 get a life... lol always when some1 beats them in a argument they go with the lame excuse like get a life. or i have a life etc.. funy right
henryhenriquez 11 months ago
@33grass33 lol whats next?? say i have no life becuase i play solitair??
lol took me 4-6 years to level my caracter in maple that high. so im pretty shure it wasnt a grind in 1 month no life thing. but slowly. lol
you can try trolling me but it wont work kid. i know your type. gets buthurt when he losses a discusion and tries justify lossing becuase the other one has no life.. lol lame attemp i should say. how about the other guy is just better then you lol
henryhenriquez 11 months ago
@33grass33 That henryhenriquez guy is a keyboard warrior aka internet tough guy. He has no life, he needs some competion so he goes around trolling the net with BS. But dw, I've owned him.
tazss159 10 months ago
@33grass33 Uncharted 2 has a framerate limiter at 30 FPS. God of War 3 doesn't, but averages about 40 to 45 FPS only.
NewLynxChannel 11 months ago
@henryhenriquez wikipedia is the only source that says the performance of RSX pipelines right?(FLOPS)but it says ''citation needed'' so which means the information needs verification.I.O.W. this might be false information.
staticrubber 1 year ago
@staticrubber its been verified a long time ago.
the rsx is a GTX7800. that is certain and the sony cofference even give us the specs. the shaders ammount everything needed to calculate the Gflops.
and no wikipedia isnt the only source. google it. there are lots starting at nvidia.
and sony is the only one that did false information or misleading information.... ever heard of MARKETING
henryhenriquez 1 year ago
@staticrubber NVIDIA has documentation about the G70 chip, look for it and see for yourself.
It has 24 shaders that perform up to 27 floating-point operations per cycle, 8 shaders that perform up to 10 floating-point operations per cycle, and on RSX's case, is clocked at 550 MHz (550 million cycles per second). Now pull up your calculator and tell me, up to how many floating-point operations per second ("FLOPS") can this G70 chip perform?
Hint = (24*27+8*10)*550
NewLynxChannel 1 year ago
@henryhenriquez OH,JUST FORGOT TO MENTION.CELL PERFECTLY DOES VERTEX SHADER OPERATIONS.UNCHARTED 2 USES CELL TO PERFORM THEM.SO,WHERE'S THE BOTTLENECK.AND RSX'S 24 PIXEL SHADER PIPELINES CAN DO ALMOST 2X MORE EVEN IF USE ALL OF THE XENOS' 48 SHADER PIPELINES FOR PIXEL SHADERS(WHICH IS IMPOSSIBLE CAUSE YOU'LL HAVE TO USE SOME PIPELINES FOR VERTEX SHADERS)
staticrubber 1 year ago
@staticrubber wow enough caps its painfull to read your stupid comments.
and no cell can only do post procesing effect, maybe some few vertex.
and agian the xenos performs better in real world.
you cannot discus that. since your hardware is as weak as your weakest unit and that is your 8 shaders.
and no the 24 pixel shader would not beat 48 unified shader.
since you always will need vertex. and once the 8 on the rsx fills up its over. while the xenos can dedicated more to it.
henryhenriquez 1 year ago