Kings School Worcester vandalising River Severn Ecology

[SuperEmilyxxxx]

@ worcester we use smaller boats 4 teaching so less wash is created ! rgs and kings use bigger engins they think that they should get the best every time !

[helly7766]

One small issue- the RGS row on this part the river too!

[tom202]

@helly7766 Exactly, and much bigger boats than rowing boats use the River and create much bigger washes!! This argument is unfounded, quite funny, and ulitmately a waste of time. Flooding (which seems to happen at least once a year in Worcester - due to the lack of dredging that the City Council allows) causes the damage. Rowing boats create very little, and insignificant damage when compared to flood damage to riverbanks. Pathetic waste of time - someone's got a real grudge against King's!!

[sabrinaworcester1]

@tom202 Pity you have not taken time to read the other comments and replies. If the floods were the sole cause of erosion, then by what mechanism is the collapse of the banks? The city council is not in charge of dredging. Your rudeness, arrogance and ignorance are misplaced.

[sabrinaworcester1]

@helly7766 yes helly you are right, but they very very rarely have coaching launches with them and even them they predominantly drive them with care not causing a breaking wash and bank erosion

[AJC79]

Whilst the quality of the video is rather poor, it does look to me as if the boat club are using a low wash launch, manufacturered by a company called rowingsolution.

As you can see the launch (if it is the one! As I said it is hard to tell from the video!) is approved by the EA for use in coaching. What more would you have them do?! Sadly rowing is a technically difficult sport and it is imperative that coaching is given.

[sabrinaworcester1]

@AJC79 I am not saying they do not need coaching. The Grammar school coach from the bank, therefore no problem. Others with low wash launches.

The launch is a Funboat. I believe they are designed as sailing boats, to even go on one "ski" . A company does stick engines on them and sells them for whatever, but that means that the hull before they plane pushes the very top of the water violently aside. Also the engines cause problems. Also as they are so short they cause large washes.

[AJC79]

@sabrinaworcester1

If you search rowingsolutions on google that will bring up the website!

[sabrinaworcester1]

@AJC79

thanks I meant the EA approval bit that i wanted to check. I checked the site a few years ago and then with the person that actually makes the sailing boat, and they said they had nothing to do with putting engines on etc. Even in rowing discussion groups people complain about these cats, and funboats are noticeably worse than even the longer cats which are not brilliant.

[sabrinaworcester1]

@AJC79 They should be trimmed properly which they are often not and they often carry more than one person, making it worse. I am interested if they are approved by EA for coaching, do you have a site that I can check it out? Even if approved they should be used responsibly at speed causing no breaking wash, over the deep part of the river will help this, which drivers appear unaware of and they are often used when not coaching but roaring upstream to join the boat a couple of miles upstream

[jacktrono63]

Has any of this work (video etc) made any sort of substantial difference to the situation? If yes, what? If no, will it? It seems to be a bit too good to be true that you are purely a 'wildlife warrior'. Do you have any other ulterior motives for this? Do these boats and their wash directly affect your life (not the rivers) in any way shape of form. I'm going to go out on a limb and guess yes.

[sabrinaworcester1]

jacktrono63. Yes the video has made a difference. Kings 1.now realise that they cannot bully a witness into silence like they could before YouTube came along by making false accusations and slurs 2.That they are causing a problem with erosion and breaking the law and now have one low wash boat and drive more reasonably overall. Things are still not as they should be but it takes time for the change of mindset, which no doubt more videos will achieve from footage already in the can

[sabrinaworcester1]

jacktrono63 No there are no ulterior motives. Some people just care about their local environment and justice. Dont you?

[engstrom0304]

Get a life! For starters the Grammer school also row on this river, its not exactly a big problem now is it!

[sabrinaworcester1]

engstrom0304 The Grammar school do not use coaching boats. (Grammar school have been filmed using inappropriate RIB half dozen times this year the only times in about ten years) Your ignorance should have precluded you from commenting. Yes it is a big problem,

[engstrom0304]

Your making it sound like Kings are murding criminals!! Get your priorities right! Interesting how the Ratings have been disabled isnt it!! Seems like you had a lot of support on this video! Hmm

[sabrinaworcester1]

@engstrom0304 Comments now have to be approved and ratings were disabled due to Kings Schools pupils habits of leaving personal abuse and no cogent discussion. That says alot about those individuals from Kings

[SEBB3RS]

After having read the essay to accompany the video - we get more than enough teaching about sustainability in geography to know that the school is concious of it.

[SEBB3RS]

I'm trying to figure out whether this is some sort of boat-house related banter?! I think you could swim faster than that boat if you put your mind to it...

[sabrinaworcester1]

@SEBB3RS

A rowing 8 can go about 12mph plus? If they are causing a breaking wash they are damaging the river. Why should Kings externalise the financial cost of bank repair onto others never mind the wildlife, water margin plant and bank damage itself. Solution is simple use low wash boats and drive them responsibly over the deep part of the river, which reduces the wash

[SEBB3RS]

@sabrinaworcester1

You're looking at a very fast 8 for 12mph plus...

Also from a completely 3rd party perspective, can you not see that this is a hobbie that takes place worldwide, not just on the Severn. They are not using speed boats, and it is clear from previous comments that the KSW have made efforts to minimise this effect. By the same token as this you could find minor faults with every sport played worldwide. Noise pollution from sports pitches, turf wear on public parks...

[sabrinaworcester1]

@SEBB3RS Ok re speed, I was told by rower that 16 knots so was guessing on change to mph, but he was a good rower! They can easily afford low wash boats, they choose not to. They know they are causing damage to the riverbanks by causing breaking washes. They should get low wash boats and drive them properly. End of story. My concern is the river and stretches of bank 7 yards in, 30 yards wide and 5 yards high collapsing into the river

[SEBB3RS]

@sabrinaworcester1

It should also be noted that with the low energy nature of the severn mixed with the amount of foliage on the banks would mean that the supposed eroded sediment would soon be deposited once more. Do you have any statistics to prove the damage caused or are we only going by the video footage, which has no evidence of erosion as there's nothing to compare to...

[sabrinaworcester1]

@SEBB3RS You are right that it is low energy in summer and that the sediment is redeposited. BUT this makes river shallower and hence worse effects of wash. The soil needs to be kept held by tree roots and water margin plants and then bank reduces to sustainable angle of repose around 40 degrees. Now the banks are vertical leading to collapse as washes erode water margin plants and the bank to vertical.

[sabrinaworcester1]

@SEBB3RS

Take your point re stats but they are really hard to obtain by the nature of the process, without expensive equipment and then i could be accused of making them up. Similarly undermining banks are not very conducive to photos or video. However i have got an MSc in Environmental Impact Assessment, I obviously am prepared to back up claims that are published here in court, and you can come and see the evidence yourself on the river if you come here. I will be publishing more sometime.

[sabrinaworcester1]

@SEBB3RS However you never answer the point. Why cant they use low wash boats and drive them properly over the deep part of the river? Easy. As regards it being a worldwide hobby, i can only speak from experience on the River Severn at Worcester. There is damage being caused over 8 miles of riverbank that neednt be with a little consideration from Kings School

[IateMasterCheif]

also its obviosly the rowers who do this damage and not the GREAT BIG TOUR BOATS MAKING HUGE WAVES.

[sabrinaworcester1]

The tour boat TheEarl has started in the latter half of this year to cause a breaking wash. Perhaps you could name any others?Kings school were given the leeway of about 4 years before any videos were put up about them, and after the rowing masters and the school management had refused to discuss the issue or slow down. Perhaps then kings have some incentive to slow down themselves so they dont appear hypocrites when asking the tour boat to.

[engstrom0304]

@lateMasterCheif

good point, there are much bigger boats that cause a worse affect.

[IateMasterCheif]

how do King's know about this? did the county tell them? if so then you may have the begginings of a valid point but if it is just you who told them, then to be frank why could they listen to the ramblings of some ignorant woman who doesnt care about the river but just about making King's look bad?

[sabrinaworcester1]

latemastercheif . The kings school look bad without any help from anyone else, after all they are the ones breaking the law and damaging peoples property, using unsuitable coaching launches rather than low wash boats. What do the county have to do with it that outweighs a specialist in environmental impact assessment ? The ad hominem attacks are noted

[Planetblondex27]

It is neither here nor there wether KSW is detroying the river or not... the fact that these are videos of Kings SCHOOL children puts you on very thin ice! You say " They are totally aware that they are being filmed" but you are clearly on the tow path behind the trees. This seems odd to me as you could get much clearer views of the power boats and the break waters from both further up or down the river?

[sabrinaworcester1]

Planetblondex27.A classic of misinformation. Please point to any part of the video you are talking about where children are filmed. The rowing launches are filmed, the school is totally aware that the funboats are being filmed until replaced by low wash boats. If the school authority had any doubts they would stop using the boats so as to ensure their duty of care. Please state in your opinion where the best places to shoot are and we will bear in mind recognising that they will just cont...

[sabrinaworcester1]

cont..slow down there in future when being filmed. All legal procedures are followed thankyou, unlike of course the management of Kings School who continue to erode the banks, and illegally damage other peoples property. What does that say about the management of the school? What does it say about you that you dont think it matters whether Kings destroy the banks or not?

[sabrinaworcester1]

Kings also still persist in their pattern of attempts to bully the witnesses into not filming by spreading slurs and innuendo and false accusations about what is being filmed, even in front of their pupils. This happened again today, and will result in a further video about this vile tactic, which of course would have worked before YouTube enabled the evidence to be published. The more this tactic is tried the more focus will be drawn to the management of the school ..cont

[sabrinaworcester1]

cont... who not only allow the erosion to happen, appear to have no environmental policy and are seemingly so arrogant that they feel they make lewd and false allegations against innocent people with impunity, even in front of their pupils.

The filming of this latest malicious rowing mistress and the unsuitable boats will now be stepped up. Of course an apology is in order but there is little doubt that it will not be forthcoming from individuals of the calibre of the current management.

[sabrinaworcester1]

To update on Kings... They have in the past few months begun to use 1 low wash boat with evident success at reducing the breaking wash and this rarely causes a problem. However they also still attempt to use unsuitable funboats and an aluminium hulled boat which cause a breaking wash at relatively low speeds. Whilst they have made some progress in the number and severity of breaking washes these boats should be replaced by low wash boats otherwise kings are knowinly eroding the riverbanks.

[BIGDEC10]

this is the biggest load of ballz EVER!!!! all this shows are some killer waves 2cm high OMFG those are sooo deadly

[sabrinaworcester1]

Bigdec10. About 4 inches common with funboats. And at 10 miles per hour going into fissures casued by boat erosion, compressed into smaller and smaller space. Try asking your physics teacher what pressures that causes. And the single most frequent causers of breaking wash at all levels of the river at this time nd still using non low wash boats. If you have anything constructive to say rahter than abuse it would reflect better on yourself and your school.

[sabrinaworcester1]

bad4udhealth123 Alex Morgan Kings School. Looking at your Channel,  I apologise for the way Society and your school has brought you up. Its lucky you didnt fall off the towpath as the rowing coaches had eroded the banks, making them steep. oh someone did 2 days ago at Northwick. Kings must bear their share of responsibility.

[Acynicalsam]

I can't help noticing that your motives, Sabrina, are more anti King's than Pro Enviroment. As self styled "Goddess of the River Seven" you must surely know that such things as the buildings of the riverside housing a few years back caused far more damage to the river and, as a Worcester resident, you must also have noted that the towpath hasn't sunk into the river. I'm not anti-enviromental in any sense but i can't help feeling their are bigger fish to fry.

[sabrinaworcester1]

Acynicalsam . 1. What evidence are you evaluating for your erroneous opinion that we are anti kings rather than proenvironment? 2. Which "buildings on the riverside housing" are you talking about and what do you think the impacts on the riverside were?

Kings regularly knowingly erode 8 miles of riverbank, so you had better know your facts in trying to attack us and a different perhaps adverse impact.

[Acynicalsam]

"I apologise for the way Society and your school has brought you up" that's not answering his point over the far more worrying antisocial behaviour off the river rather than in. Secondly I was referring to the recent Diglis buildings which were really quite prominent on the river landscape 3 or 4 years ago. I'm sorry which 8 miles would these be? (I don't seek to "attack" you merely hear your point of view with reasoned argument, is that such a crime?)

[sabrinaworcester1]

Acynicalsam. 1 . If his point was that, he did not put it across well. You seem to know his mind? His point appeared ironic as he was not shouting at rowers and preumably not mugged. His videos are full of violence in a better society. that would not be even in his head, hence the apology, as it is not his fault, take note also of all the rest of the personal abuse from Kings on these comments. Is that the only evidence?

[sabrinaworcester1]

Acynicalsam 2 cont. You began with a point (attack?) against Sabrina rather than the erosion issue. The 8 miles are the banks between Diglis and Bevere. Fine the developments at Diglis, there are two - what do you consider the negative environmental impacts involved, and why are they worse than 8 miles of Kings bank erosion, which could easily be avoided by using low wash boats?

[BowelNinjer]

Yes the school taught me how to kill, rape, eat garbage, and erode river banks.

Nope, my channel is just a random hotpot of nothingness. Doesnt contain any influences from Kings or society or whatever.

Eroding class gets boring from time to time but i always enjoy the sick pleasure of scraping soil off the bank MWAHAHAH

[sabrinaworcester1]

BowelNinjer. Interesting that neither your school nor society has any influence on what you produce.

[bad4urhealth123]

I got mugged on the towpath by a pothead on a bike recently. I didn't get a good look at his face though becuase I was too busy telling some rowers off.

[maxgerrard]

maybe you should work harder on recovering the eroded society you have in worcester. ie all the drunks and drug addicts who hang around by the river bank, the endless line of braindead chavs which litter your town with vandalism and cause the general public feel uneasy in the place in which they live. these things need far more attention than a little bit of wash caused by a few launches. what not try and promote the great architecture and history of your town instead of staring at a river bank

[sabrinaworcester1]

maxgerrard. As you are in the quad of Birmingahm University, it is more suitable for this post to be in the Birmingham University Boy Racer video. Hence it has been copied there and will be answered in due course

[jakeh114]

ok......plz get a life.

1) why do u have so much free time that u decide to film strangers in secret?

2) it's hardly a tidal wave is it........the river severns bank isnt going to be destroyed in a few years by that is it? so y dont u go and do soething useful in your free time?

[sabrinaworcester1]

jakeh114

You clearly know little of environmental impact, as the washes ARE causing bank erosion at an alarming rate. Kings school have had many opportunities to speak and change their behaviour, which is illegal but choose not to, and attempted to bully the messenger with false accusations. Luckily You tube enables the little man to stand up to the bully. They are totally aware that they are being filmed. Thankyou for your contribution,

[steveigog]

seriously a video about a little bit erosion in rivers by the mean people at kings with their power boats get a fucking life its pathetic

[sabrinaworcester1]

Yet another ad hominem attack from friends of Kings. There appears to be a pattern here.

[haha48]

I was laughing during the whole video and was like wow people got nothing better to do then bitch about some errosion that happens natrually anyways.. the rivers natrual course its to get wider thats what rivers do.. If you got something to complain about simple as for a speed zone in that area or put in a retaining wall..

[Yatukih001]

There´re plans by the British government to completely drown the Severn river banks using a power plant to prevent the banks from reforming during the next 1000 years due to the presence of a white heron and other rare bird species there so they can remove the biodiversity.

Thingvellir,

[simpsons5]

do u have a right to video people from our school? cos if not this is illegal.

[sabrinaworcester1]

simpsons5, fortunately we do have the right. In what way should we not have the right? Although Kings School administration attempts to cover up the fact that Kings School are helping cause bank erosion, by attempting to stop us filming (by a mix of threats, bullying, slur and innuendo), their attempts have not worked.

Do you somehow think that it would be right that we should not be allowed to film this illegal behaviour?

[simpsons5]

it is illegalas you have no consent to video these people which i belive is the law

[sabrinaworcester1]

simmpson5, it is a shame your profile age of 20 does not reflect the knowledge you perhaps should have gained by now in your Kings School education. Just hope you are not attempting to be a lawyer. It is tempting to show blind allegiance to your school, but they are still damaging the riverbank by their inconsiderate activity, which is itself against the law.

[neilandfi]

I won't pretend to have followed this debate, but I do know somewhat of silt transportation in the Severn. I live further upstream, work in Worcester,am involved in the consultation process re: Severn barrage, and I am a tidal bore surfer.

Soils from Worcestershire are , to my eye, identifiable well below Gloucester, and yes, over years, the wash from boats will undoubtedly erode some soils. It will erode others to a lesser extent.But the banks in Worcester are revetted and artificial.

[ajfireinside7]

you seem to like documentin the results of river usage, ie small scale river bank erosion, however i am yet to find a video that documents what you are actively doing to physically reconstruct any areas that you feel have been damaged, or protect any areas....

[sabrinaworcester1]

ajfireinside, you are correct that the healing and reconstruction of the riverbank is not yet released on video. This is in progress,(so much to do) what would you like to see in these videos? On your first point why do you assume that river usage equates with small scale river bank erosion?

[rowandscull]

Comments need to be read from the bottom up ie the oldest one I've posted!

[rowandscull]

get carried away. Silt being a small particle will get carried away by relatively small velocities same with clays and muds- although require a large velocity to erode. What about fertilisers being washed into rivers- they can have a far more evastating effect of depleting oxygen levels by causing eutriphication than soil. There far worse things cuasing climate out there than eroding river banks such as CO2 emissions from aircract and cars. Also the melting of perma- frost.

[sabrinaworcester1]

r&s Yep you right, once the damage is done of soil erosion from bank then particles need less power to move them around. Obvious answer dont start eroding. Yep fertilisers large effect, answer more trees on filed margins and different agricultural practices. But on this section am concentrating on area within City limits here this does not occur (but still suffers effects) but this again huge subject. Not got comparative figures of soil v fert but both negative and imho mass failure cont..

[sabrinaworcester1]

r&s cont..vastly underestimated certainly on this section due to difficulties in spotting it as vegetation v soon overgrows. Only really visible March ish. Yeo things causing much more climate change effect but these here in middle of Worcester still negative, and if we dont change this, here we not likely to vhange others. This section devoid of water margin plants on99% length of8 miles banks. Think of carbon stored if this restored as well as other benefits. Destruction absolutely unnecessary

[rowandscull]

Besides flooding has a much greater effect on eroding the river bank with all that water and sediment eroding the river bank. I don't see how eroding a river bank is going to change the climate and exacerbate flooding!? Its unfair to put a large part of the blame for 2 rowing clubs for the erosion as there are other factors too. Interesting to see clips of recent flood silt deposits being eroded as these are very vunerable to erosion. Heavy rain and flooding are the main cuase of land slips.

[sabrinaworcester1]

Heavy rain and flooding are merely the trigger for the landslips. The damage is done throughout the summer. Imagine vandals scraping a millimetre per day off the bricks at the base of the sidewall of a boathouse. It would collapse relatively quickly. Imagine your outrage if he said well i was only making music, and continued to do it again and again until it collapsed. Then he put the blame on the weather. Ha ha. Will answer other points later. We busy

[sabrinaworcester1]

rowandscull. Greater sediment load means more erosion yes. All the more reason not to cause breaking washes. Why is it unfair to blame those that knowingly cause breaking washes for their actions even if there are other factors? Yes recent silt deposits are vulnerable to erosion, all the more reason not to cause breaking washes, and to plant water margin plants to bind silt. Erosion worsens flooding as more silt in river bed instead of in protective bank as one example. cont

[sabrinaworcester1]

Bank erosion worsens climate change by several mechanisms. Soil contains organic matter, depleting oxygen levels in river. Physical volume of silt in river raises water levels. Decreases biodiversity and ability of ecosystem to cope. Erodes beneficial water margin plants and trees. Thats for starters. Perhaps the onus should be on you to describe why Birmingham Uni and Kings Worcester dont use low wash boats and what positive effects causing breaking wash has on climate change?

[rowandscull]

Some interesting points made there! Saturated ground especially soils and aluvium is much more vulnarable to collapse as it has little strength. Land slips are quite common after heavy rain. I wouldn't say it was vandalism they are causing just unfortunate result of using their launches. They got to coach the crews somehow and using launches is the best way. They do cause breaking wash but thats the consequnce of keeping up with crews or going to another part of the river to see another crew.

[rowandscull]

Cont.. Low wash launches would be ideal but perhaps as I've said before may not be able to afford them? What is classed as an illegal breaking wash? Do pleasure cruisers cause them too? Surely any wash created no matter how big or small is going to erode the bank and all the users on the Severn will have some big cumulative affect! The same will be occuring on other rivers! During times of increased flow the sediment that has fallen in from bank erosion will.. Continued

[sabrinaworcester1]

r&s All breaking washees illegal. Where the wash instead of relatively harmless goes up and down, breaks over like waves on beach and crashes into bank. Not a physicist but movement changes from vertical to horizontal. The damage caused by breaking wash much much more than normal wash. Each breaking wash even usually relatively small cumulative effect the key. Yep 100 regular cruiser river wreckers to be exposed soon, which British Waterways could stop almost overnight if they so chose.

[sabrinaworcester1]

r&s Use low wash boats, drive them to reduce wash ie over deepest part, away from banks and walls etc. They dont, they know they are causing damage, they think they can get away with it. Using funboats isnt the best way for other boats owners, riparian owners or the environment. We are talking about about 5 coaches and probably 1 or 2 central management who actually control this and could stop the 1000 or so damaging breaking washes per year. It is not rowers fault or necessarily coaches.

[sabrinaworcester1]

bodca why do you think it is a joke? The cumulative effect of breaking washes erodes the bank, rips up and prevent water margin plants growing at the toe of the bank, and causes bank collapses, as well as reducing biodiversity, exacerbating flooding and climate change. Some joke. I take it you do not understand environmental impact assessment.

[bodca]

I have an excellent understanding of environmental impact assessment, thank you. I just think that this whole thing is rather overblown. My only conclusion is that either you are still at school/college and therefore have a lot of time on your hands and the fire and zeal of youth or you're pointing your environmental zeal in the wrong direction.

[sabrinaworcester1]

bodca. Why do you comment when do not know the effect it is having on this part of the river?

[bodca]

What makes you think I don't know the river?!

[sabrinaworcester1]

bodca. The comment made was ".. when you do not know the effect is is having on this part of the river". If you understand environmental impact assessment and can see the effect that breaking washes are having then you would not think it was a joke or overblown.

[bodca]

Well, that's sort of my point. I do know the river and I fully understand environmental impact assessments. And I think this is overblown.

[sabrinaworcester1]

bodca. Since the point is that the cumulative impact of breaking washes is to erode the riverbanks and that Kings and others should abide by laws and boating codes and not cause breaking washes, perhaps you could say what is overblown and why you think so?

[bodca]

this is a joke, right?

[redfacedhunk]

Hahha pathetic...havnt you got something better to do with your life... This strtch of the river severn is the longest stretch of river in the UK without locks, so is ideal for rowing. Kings is not the only user - worcester rowing club, Worcester royal grammar school, etc etc, pleasure cruisers, barges, just because the river is frequently used by the clubs and societies....it would have been used day in day out when the only method of transport was by boat, the affect on the banks is negligable

[sabrinaworcester1]

Worcester Rowing club use low wash boats, Grammar coach from riverbank. Yes there are about 100 large cruisers who cause breaking wash and video is being made of them, but Kings are most frequent cause of illegal breaking washes, and could use low wash boats but arrogantly choose not to, and to destroy riverbank, fish and biodiversity. Effect is NOT negligible and the stretch below Diglis is far longer btw.

[surrealgeorge]

How dare you! you make a clearly biased video about something that is not JUST ksw's fault...it's the WHOLE economy, then you insult a youtuber (kingcroak) for taking intrest in a video game which has absolutely nothing to do with the arguement at all! and i believe that you should listen to my contribution as you have subscribed to me with my 'global warming-all star' video...BIG SHOCK: I GO TO KING'S SCHOOL!!! and 2 motor boats does not change anything!!! 'godess of the river' MY ARSE!

[sabrinaworcester1]

It is 4 motorboats. It is clearly stated that bank erosion caused by cumulative effect of ALL breaking washes and other factors. Kings School are most frequent cause of breaking washes. There was no insult of Kingcroak, merely his own quote as he himself recognised. Yes it was not difficult to work out you went to kings, we have nothing against Kings except for those who cause breaking washes and those who defame the messengers. What is biased about video? Please substantiate your allegation.

[surrealgeorge]

'what is biased?' i do believe that the idea of blaming 4 motor boats for erosion on the banks of the largest river in great britain is insanity! I can't believe that you actually have the audacity to blame four motor boats for the destruction of a 354 km stretch of water! this is insanity as there are a many boats that go across the river, I for one have been on a boat on the river severn that had NOTHING to do with the king's school! you also do not own up to the fact that your video is biased

[surrealgeorge]

(cont) by disabling ratings! all your video shows is a river bank have water swooshed upon it. Hell, you could have made them yourself!

[sabrinaworcester1]

surrealgeorge. Please avoid straw man arguments. It is quite clear that we bring attention to Kings School contribution to bank erosion on Diglis to Bevere stretch of River. Kings are the biggest single perpetrator of damaging breaking washes, although due to the video they have modified their behaviour somewhat. It is a shame Kings School does not educate you better on the environment on which you rely for living. It is also a shame Kings choose to help destroy the river.

[sabrinaworcester1]

kingcroak, This boat induced erosion is additional to natural erosion which happens on the outside of bends. As death is a naturally ocurring phenomenon should we go around killing people?

Why is it too much trouble for Kings to get low wash boats for coaching? The vast majority of river users or even boaters do not erode the river, they are considerate.

Permission to coach does not mean permission to erode riverbanks, its illegal.

[kingcroak]

Dieing is natural, killing is not killing is an act that can be avoided, erosion cannot be avoided naturally.

your statement of the vast majority of river users being considerate is wrong as you have made it to cover your argument, provide a video example of considerate boaters for once and i'll belive this. and they have permission to coach, erosion occurs as a result, you got a problem? blame the counsel not the school.

It's disturbing that you consider yourself as the rivers 'goddess'

[sabrinaworcester1]

You appear very confused. Erosion from boats causing breaking washes CAN be avoided quite easily. Slow down. We do not intend to produce a video of the vast majority of those considerate river users - you only have to watch the river. Large boats like Edward Elgar, Pride of Midlands, most narrowboats and cruisers do not cause the damaging breaking wash that Kings School funboats do. Permission to coach is not permission to erode and the Council do not and can not give this permission to erode.

[kingcroak]

for gods sake, you realise that the the coaches boats have to keep with the rowers don't you? slowing down is simply like Mickey goldwill riding his bike slower then Rocky can run because he thought his tyres were wearing down the ground. although you might not know who i'm talking about because you don't seem to tear your eyes away from the river unless your posting videos about it on youtube.

besides if everyone else is being considerate then what one little funboat going to do to the river?

[kingcroak]

And you know what else? Your legal understanding of this is very limited. The erosion caused here is involuntary, and although it's a fineable offense to erode rivers you can only be charged with it if it was purpousful (and god knows who go's eroding rivers for fun) and on top of all this you expect me to take claims from someone who calls themslves the 'godess of the river severn'. So don't you call me confused, you supposed crazy deity.

[sabrinaworcester1]

Kingcroak. There are several laws that apply to this situation. It would be helpful if you made reference to which law you were talking about, before attempting to put up a defence.

Please also look up ad hominem in Wikipedia, and this may indicate that you are losing the debate if you have to resort to changing the subject and personal abuse.

[sabrinaworcester1]

Kingcroak. You are being disingenuous as of course it is not one funboat, Kings alone now have 3 and also an even worse tin bathtub, up from just one coaching boat about 3 years ago. Assuming say 2 trips a day to the head of the river for each boat for say 200 days per year that is about 6,400 erosion miles, as Kings contribution to bank erosion.

Then if Kings do it, others start to do it and effect gets even worse. We did not say that all other boats are considerate, just the vast majority.

[sabrinaworcester1]

Kingcroak, we have ascertained then that Boat induced bank erosion can be avoided, its just that Kings dont wish to stop causing it. They could use low wash boats and drive them responsibly, they could coach from the riverside. However the fact remains Kings choose to coach from unsuitable boats which cause a breaking wash at the speeds used for coaching, knowing that they are causing erosion and damage to other peoples property, reducing biodiversity, worsening climate change, flooding etc etc

[kingcroak]

Great, fine, you do that. It's just right now nothing has changed considerably and many species have evolved and adapted to their enviroments for millions of years, so it's not like a bit of river erosion is extreamly relevent in the large number of deforestation thats making several species extinct each month. so mabey a few ducks might have to 'move house' but if you want to change somthing important, campaign against the war in iraq. i'm finding it hard to take you seriously, oh goddess.

[sabrinaworcester1]

So Kingcroak, you wont come up with the name of the law you talk about, nor do you come up any reason why Kings School cant use low wash boats. Then you try and diminish the significance of the river erosion, whilst also suggesting other changes we might make that YOU consider important. How about YOU doing something about those things on your channel Mr "Crowcall, on the Sha'tar realm, a blood elf warlock", and leave this channel to help improve the River Severn environment locally?

[kingcroak]

Great, go ahead.

And nice try at useing my own insult against me, but my character on world of warcraft is indeed called Crowcall, he is a bloodelf warlock and he is situated in the Sha'tar realm, as opposed to you (who actually have nothing to do with being a river deity.

but i really can't be bothered with you, and i just want to use youtube to watch videos, i work at an oxfam bookshop and regularly contribute to animal and human rights foundations. i don't make videos, i make change.

[sabrinaworcester1]

Thankyou. Glad you are making change, those things are certainly a start. There is also a local Oxfam group which would welcome help, or perhaps you could start a "People and Planet" Group or Fairtrade group at your school? Good luck

[kingcroak]

Brilliant, glad you agree.

and i look forward to seeing smoothly curved rivers in the future aswell.

[kingcroak]

to be honest, you get all sorts of people illigally boating up and down the severn.

and, despite only owning a small part of the river they have permission from the owners of neighbouring sections to use them for their coaching.

Errosion is a naturally occuring phenomenon and if you are going to accuse people of destroying the riverbanks you may aswell attempt ban anyone from going on the river at all.

[sabrinaworcester1]

mmm Each to his own. It IS important if you regard sustainability, biodiversity, exacerbating climate change and flooding as important. It makes flooding worse, banks unstable, reduces wildlife, buggers us up in short, medium and long term and it costs you money! Even in fact if you dont regard these as important it impacts on you in ways you dont realise, as environment is the foundation of all of what we do. We in Britain use resources for 3 planets. This obviously is non sustainable.

[cambaldry]

Are you being serious? You really need to get a life! Are you honestly saying that launch boats are making a significant difference to the banks of one of the most flood prone rivers in the country??? Get a life.

[sabrinaworcester1]

yes. Thankyou for your contribution cambaldry. How do you explain the deep undermining at summer levels, the holes, the fissures? And the summer growing water margin plants pulled out and secondary bank vegetation fallen into the river - oh and the erosion in an upstream direction? How so in a flood? Your video of drinking a bottle of wine down in one and swallowing goldfish were instructive.

[cambaldry]

Hahaha, thankyou very much. Is it really that important? Are there not other things you could be doing with your time...... like drinking goldfish??

[hondaforeman400]

How can they be so selfish, they treat the river as if it was theirs

[sabrinaworcester1]

Astute comment. The most frequent comment about rowers and particularly the Kings School, from people who take an interest in the river is "They think they own the river". For the record AFAIK they own about 20 metres of it to half way across.

[surrealgeorge]

Bullock! what the hell are you doing? this bitch is campaining 4 the environment!

[sabrinaworcester1]

surrealgeorge, perhaps hondaforeman has a mind of his own and understands the environment better than you? Unlike you he might not take an antienvironmental stance based on an insufficient understanding of the issues. Your view appears to be in the minority and hassling others to change their view to accord with your own is perhaps an admission that you cannot argue on the issues.

[surrealgeorge]

I know hondaforeman and he hunts, likes explosions and kills animals with his guns. sounds like he's really into the envirnment. can i also see some evidence that 'Kings are the biggest single perpetrator of damaging breaking washes' please. thank you

[sabrinaworcester1]

The evidence is in the number of breaking washes Kings cause, approximately equal to all other boats breaking washes added together. Since you are unlikely to believe us, you can ask Kings School Boat Club how many they cause per year, or you only have to observe the river. Hondaforeman can speak for himself as he has already done so, without your help.