Um, a bit of a stretch to say he wants them to be just like the Hitler youth don't you think? On the contrary, if Christians stood up for Christ in a way that proclaimed complete dedication to preaching to the world, big things would happen. The difference here is in the heart of the leader to follow. Hitler had severe hate, Christ has a sacrifice from the cross for His followers. Big difference.
@MattyYouthGoon the problem with your argument and it seems everyone's here is they have made the HUGE assumption that something is GOOD if it is done in the name of Jesus. The link to the Hitler youth and all the other groups is that all of the groups believed that what they were doing was good despite the fact that to anybody who was not part of the group it was clearly bad. I am not saying that christianity is bad but there are parts that are not good and harm more people than they help.
@MattyYouthGoon (part 2) That is what Rick wants and it is a dangerous thing. To have people so dedicated that they do not question all of their beliefs means that out of the good also comes the bad. All of the other groups mentioned also helped their countries but that is forgotten due to the bad that they also did and did not question due to the fact that they were radicals. However instead of being remembered for the good they did do they are remembered for the horrible evil that they did.
Following Rick Warren is dangerous. He seems to use "new age" thinking with with the Bible and mixed it up as his own Christianity. You never really know where he is teaching from. Also, anybody that "teaches" the Bible and yet tells the whole world he is a reverse tither is not seeking a reward from heaven but from man and is more interested in what others say about him then what God says. God says to give in secrete not to let anybody know but the Father what you have given to the needy.
You know, I disagree with Rick Warren's view of Christianity. He doesn't go 100% by the New Testament, as we are supposed to. However, I do understand what he meant by using those radical evil men as examples. They had a determined mindset to change their world. Jesus was a radical man; he set the Jewish, the Roman, then the whole world on fire. But Jesus was good, He is our example. We should have a determined mindset to bring Christianity to the world, but by good, not by force.
@alwayspatriotic - Martin Luther King, a Christian visionary, had a determination to change the world, but not with violence. Why do you think Rick Warren cited the dedication of followers of some of the most violent secular political movements of the last century, movements responsible for the deaths of tens of millions of people? Why didn't he cite MLK? And what do you think Warren's "whatever it takes" exhortation to his crowd was supposed to mean?
@bruceewilson Whatever it takes may mean going into all the world to spread the gospel, the way Jesus said to do. That could mean a person could go into a country, like all these islamic countries who hate Christianity. You know a person who hands out Bibles and talks about Christ could be killed. However, I do not believe Warren is a true Biblical Christian, any more than Martin Luther King was. Man-made denominations are not Biblical.
Respond to this video...I am sorry you cannot seem to understand the reason Warren used radicals as examples. Being radical for GOOD with the same fervor that his examples did for BAD. Do you understand now? He is not advocating for his congregation to go out and do BAD, but to do GOOD with the same enthusiasm that the examples he cited had for their BAD cause. Like liberals are as enthusiastic for abortion, as I am for not killing the unborn.
@alwayspatriotic Define ''good''. Forcing Biblical law on the US? Forbidding evolution to be taught in school? Forcing ''Christian values'' on those who happen to think differently (abortion aside. I know this issue can be fought with secular arguments that I happen not to agree with)? Or simply shoving his beliefs down the throats of the unwilling and brainwashing young malleable minds?
@bookcreator If I have to define the goodness of Jesus Christ and His Gospel to you, then you most likely have never studied the Bible. If you read what I wrote, I SAID by good NOT by FORCE!! If I tell you about Christ, and you reject Him, it is your free will to do so.
As for brainwashing young minds, I believe the far left socialist liberals of our country are unfortunately doing a really fine job of that.
@alwayspatriotic Well I'm glad we've established the difference between ''good'' and ''force''. I'm reading the Bible now and I happen to find it the most repulsive thing I've ever read. The liberals/ fanatical atheists really didn't have to convince me; the Bible itself did. I'm glad that force is something you don't want to use, but I doubt Rick Warren has the same view.
This guy's name is on the CFR membership roster. Now why would a true man of God be a member of an organization working to usher in a one world dictatorship?
The Illuminati’s Council on Foreign Relations has enlisted the services of evangelicals, Pastor Rick Warren and Richard Land, to marshall tens of millions of evangelical Christians in a global crusade to convert humanity to the 'New Global Spirituality'.
These are 2 agents of Rockefeller's Council on Foreign Relations, a subversive org. working towards the destruction of a free America & installation of the One World government.
Rick Warren are working towards a one "unified" spiritual "body".
My Churchs, My Vision, If only you people would be as committed as the Hitler Youth, the followers of Lenin and Mao ...... You forgot about Charles Manson you Fat Slob.
He missed the point he is really making in using 3 of the world's most evil infamous
characters; - this is the devil's world and evil has a strong attraction and is an easy
path for people in this life.
This megalamaniacal fool is dangerously self deluded.
There is nothing more frightening than invoking the name of God to fulfill our purposes. Every great tyrant has rallied the troops with this type of propaganda. Stay away from Rick. Stay away from this kind of thinking.
History already showed us what happens when the “Christian Church” rules the world.
Science went almost back to the Neolithic, for about 1000 years. Under the rule of Rick Warren (and like mined foke) science may go all the back to the Paleolithic.
@EmilyCan0 Well, it irritates me. The reasons are complex - my biological life is probably at least 1/2 over. I've lived. Fear sometimes decreases with age. Then, I have some small measure of control - hence this video, which Rick Warren seems to have personally responded to in a statement he sent to a worldwide audience.
Lets just hope by some "Miracle" that church of his ends up bankrupt along with Rick Warren himself and his followers smarten up and figure out how stupid and psychotic this mans views are. Honestly the bible is fucked up enough by itself he makes it even worse which amazes me how easily fooled people are into believing all of this bullshit that hasn't been proven by anyone at all. I just hope humans start using critical thinking more often then faith.
@2supperman Well I could be tempted, depending on which books they are. Hmm, let's me get the list started:
The Purpose Driven Church, The Purpose Driven Life, Answers to Life's Difficult Questions, The Power to Change Your Life, What on Earth Am I Here For? Booklet, Personal Bible Study Methods, The Purpose of Christmas
Of course, the inherent problem with such a scenario as I mentioned is that preconceived morality, even good morality, is evil expressly because it is preconceived. It would be an improvement over the current faith-based morals, but in reality, the best culture would be one where parents and other influencers emphasized reason alone, and implored each new person to seek their own morality with age.
At least there could be a good result if American Christians became radicalized. If they lost their ensuing war, it could finally create a mainstream culture hostile to Christianity and religion in general, and bring about the collapse of faith-based values and morality, leading the way perhaps for a set of societal values more founded in reason and rationality. Hopefully such an event would precipitate a strong stigma against religion, and people like Warren would rightfully be vilified.
This is what frightens me about religious people, they actually want to devote themselves completely to a cause that they not only want to be the one and only cause but refuse to believe that they could be wrong.... human beings have a startlingly consistent track record of being completely wrong about almost everything, that considered, encouraging unfaltering devotion without question is rather worrying.
I think it would be more noble to refer to the influence of the Founding Fathers of the US Constitution such as Benjamin Franklin, George Washington, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, John Jay, James Madison, and Alexander Hamilton.
Why are people making something negative out of this? He probably drew Hitler as a reference and not somebody like MLK for the impact of contrast and polarity. It doesn't he wants a bunch of tyrannical mini- Hitlers making people Christian whether they want to be or not. Jeeze, relax.
I think a lot of people, including Rick Warren himself, are missing the point that it wasn't just Hitler's beliefs that were wrong. It was his methods as well. Indoctrination, dogma, an "us vs. them" mentality, scapegoating, encouraging a martyr complex, and demanding unquestioning obedience. These are the tactics of Christian dominionists, and this is what Rick Warren is doing when he asks for "whatever it takes."
@abluequandary I think he's talking about Hitler's impact and influence. People responded to him. He used a dogma of fear, violence, hatred etc.. We can have that same impact but use a dogma of love, peace, forgiveness, selflessness, sacrifice..positive emotions are a million times stronger than negative ones
But that is the problem. Dogma is dogma, and that is never a good thing. Those who regard humankind as either fish to ensnare in a net, crops to harvest, or livestock to be herded are not friends of humanity, even if they wear the "good guy badge".
Tell me, how is a Nazi soldier that has "completely sold out" to the Fuhrer not being selfless? How is he not sacrificing for the Fatherland? How is he not practicing love for his people, the master race?
@ShadowPa1adin I agree. Love is NOT love if it is forced. Maybe "dogma" as you use it a bad word. I was alluding to the spread an ideology- not a tyrannical movement to impose upon people and "herd" them. I mean a large POSITIVE impact can be made on world just like a large NEGATIVE impact has been made several times in the past. Why can't switch the power of influence around for the betterment of humanity? Who would be opposed to that?
@ShadowPa1adin Also, you can't compare "nazi loyalty" to this. That's like comparing a doctor who sacrifices his life to do good to a serial killer who sacrifices his life to his "craft". Just because they both love their "jobs" doesn't mean they're comparable.
How do you square this with instances in the Bible where love is commanded?
"you can't compare "nazi loyalty" to this."
Actually I can, as "Nazi loyalty" is the kind that Rick held up as an example. The fact remains that RW is a promoter of totalitarianism. When RW promotes the idea that people have absolutely no right to live for their own happiness and must live for the pleasure of God, he is promoting slavery.
@ShadowPa1adin We are commanded to love, yes. But the very nature of love means that it cannot be forced. A person must CHOOSE to love and DESIRE to love.- that's where free will comes in.
He's talking about commitment and devotion . "Slavery "and complete servitude to God is the most ultimate goal of Christianity. It has been that way FOREVER.You saying that shows me how unfamiliar you are with the principles of Christianity itself. Christ was a slave for humanity- we are to be like Christ
"We are commanded to love, yes. But the very nature of love means that it cannot be forced"
And what happens if someone does not love God?
How can Christ be selfless if he wants other people to live for him? When someone is gives something up for someone else, the recipient is acting selfishly (valuing one's self) when they accept it. A god that wants others to live for him is a selfish god, even if he did endure pain give up his life for a short period of time.
@ShadowPa1adin Allllrighty then, Youtube does not provide me the space to tackle those questions LOL This isn't a debate about the video anymore but about Christianity in general and the definition of the word "selfish". To be short though, in being like Christ we mimic his servitude to the Father, And we do this out of love and because we WANT to ie: A person loves u so much that they lay down their life u, u become overwhelmed with love and do the same for them. I don't see how that's selfish.
@ShadowPa1adin In this corrupted world, words like "slave" and "servant" sound unappealing. But in Christianity serving God and others out of love is the most rewarding thing a person can do. Even psychologists agree that people who are the least self-centered and charitable are the happiest. In the western "me" culture the opposite is promoted- materialism and self-centered reign. So i'm sure living for a cause that's bigger than your own selfish pleasure and comfort sounds frightening to some.
Rick Warren had his stadium of followers hold up signs saying "whatever" it takes. Rather suggestive given the exhortation to Nazi-level dedication. But there's more. In a late 2009 [ do Google search ' "Rick Warren", "Peter Wagner", conspiring ' ] Warren issued a public statement denying that he was not "conspiring" to "rid the world of homosexuals." No one had accused Rick Warren of that in the first place. It was telling.
@bruceewilson I think it's pretty obvious he did it that way to allude to the idea of devotion and commitment. The nazi's committed in the very same way yet ti was for the purpose of evil. Similarly,why can't people commit to a good cause? It's seems it's that way for poetic impact. It's controversial, sure. That doesn't mean it's automatically BAD. So what if he said he's not conspiring to rid the world of gays? Uh isn't that a good thing? lol What's the problem? Will look it up, though.
@SkiptotheLou1991 - "The nazi's committed in the very same way yet ti was for the purpose of evil. Similarly,why can't people commit to a good cause?"
Nothing is ever good in this world that tells you to stop thinking for yourself, and that's exactly what Rick Warren is asking these people to do.
It would be wonderful to do what you just said, but the "dogma of love, peace, forgiveness, selflessness, sacrifice and positive emotions" is not what Christianity is about.
@BohemianBlasphemy Okay, do you mind telling me what is then? Don't leave me in ignorance.Because from reading about God and reading Bible that's the impression both myself and many other Christians get.
It's about rewarding credulity and punishing (eternally) critical thinking and skepticism.
It's about convincing individuals that --from birth and even from conception-- they are nothing but garbage deserving nothing but eternal torture and in need of being saved.
It's about slavery and intolerance. It's about "us and them" mentality.
You said you've read the bible. Didn't you see the practice of keeping slaves being endorsed in there?
@BohemianBlasphemy Well, I'm sorry that's your perception of it. You obviously look at the religion through a negative lens. I don't. Eg: What you might see as "self-hatred" I see as merely humility. At no point have I ever been taught to hate myself. The faith has actually helped my confidence and self love in many ways. We can go back and forth about all these but what does it have to with the message of Jesus Christ? You know the stuff about : self sacrifice, love, serving others etc.
@BohemianBlasphemy The concept of original sin has nothing to do with "hating" yourself, silly. Obviously you would perceive it this way because you hate Christianity. But ALL major religions see a "problem" in the human reality and for Christianity that problem is "sin". If you want to see that has "hating" yourself then by all means ms/mr Blasphemy.
I have given money to the poor before yeah but re-enacting bible stories and parables is not really the main focus of Christianity :s lol
The selling of all your possessions as a requirement to be a follower of Jesus is not a parable or a story you can choose not to re-enact, it is a commandment given by Jesus himself. Read Matthew 19:21.
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"The concept of original sin has nothing to do with "hating" yourself, silly"
So, do you believe in original sin or you don't?
Do you think you were born stained with original sin?
@BohemianBlasphemy Uh yeah, that's verse shows Christians the principles they should have when it comes to giving. That doesn't always LITERALLY mean" give everything away and live in street or else you're not Christian".
@BohemianBlasphemy And yes I do believe in original sin, obviously. I don't think it's all about God being a big meanie poo poo head telling me to hate myself ,though. Sorry.
Well then, you believe you were BORN being a sinner and deserving of Hell! As a BABY and even BEFORE YOU WERE BORN you were a criminal, guilty of a crime which is only punishable with ETERNAL TORTURE!
So don't tell me you have a positive image of yourself, please.
You're a smart person, clearly very decent and moral, and you're allowing this nonsense -which I defended for more than 2 decades- to enslave you. Please wake up.
@BohemianBlasphemy Lol, CAPS lock does not scare me, fyi. I'm not enslaved, sorry. And yes people are born into sin and that separates them form God, whoodie doo. Not much shock value in that for me. I believe in Christian universalism btw, which means I believe God's love will conquer all and everyone will end up in heaven,eventually. There actually a lot of biblical support for that.
And you know why you believe in Christian universalism? Because your morals (which are superior than the morals of any biblical character) and your sense of empathy are incompatible with the idea of a Hell where the non-christians burn for ever.
But do you realize the huge amount of biblical scripture you have to ignore to defend the notion of Christian universalism?
@BohemianBlasphemy About slavery:Almost every ancient civilization had a form of slavery. The type of slavery widely practiced around the world is NOT the same as *chattel slavery*- what the Europeans inflicted upon blacks. THAT is a unique brand of slavery that denies the slave's status as a human and treats like animals. This is NOT the type of slavery most cultures practiced.Even so, the Bible never ENDORSES slavery. To mention does not mean endorse. Come on, you know that.
Your arguments seem to come straight from Lee Strobel and other bible apologists. Also, it is clear now that you haven't actually read the bible. I can quote the passages where it tell us who to slave, and how to mark, beat, sell, buy and keep our slaves and even when it is OK to kill them. How is that any different from the "brand of slavery that denies the slave's status as a human and treats like animals"?
@BohemianBlasphemy I'm not familiar with Lee Strobel. And I have read the Bible that's why I know Biblical principles point away from any form of slavery. In the Old Testament God also tells people to kill every man, woman and child sometimes. That doesn't mean I think it's okay slaughter entire villages. But yeah, whatever, I get it, you're one of those Christianity haters that just loooooooves to exploit the old testament and milk all the bad juicy stuff out of there you can.
Well, you just said you disagree with god. Your words:
"God also tells people to kill every man, woman and child sometimes", and then "That doesn't mean I think it's okay slaughter entire villages".
Yes,I do hate all religions. I mean, look at what Christianity is doing to you! You're a decent person and probably smart enough to realize the immorality of the Bible (Old and New Testament),but you have a mental block due to indoctrination.I hate religion because I love mankind.
@BohemianBlasphemy I'm not indoctrinated. And I'm not disagreeing with God when I say I don't think it's okay to kill villages . I think the Old testament is very complicated, even for spiritually mature Christians and like you, I don't yet understand everything in there. However, I DO have my experiences with God and it's okay if YOU don't understand what's in my heart. But you don't want to understand, really.
I've heard those words before. Look, I used to be just like you, and I defended the bible no matter what; but there's a point where you just have to admit something is foundationally wrong with it.
You said "god commanded genocides", and then "I don't agree with genocide". That is disagreeing with God and there's no other way to put it. You disagree with that imaginary character because you are a decent human and more moral than the fictitious dictator you worship.
@BohemianBlasphemy Okay, thank you for trying to understand me. I understand where you're coming from. I know that as people grow intellectually the ordinary run of the mill gospel does not satisfy their thirst for answers. That probably precisely why many people fall away from the faith in their college years. But *I* bknow MY will faith transcend all that because it's deeper than any internet arguments over the Bible. Logic is man-made, limited and flawed what I feel in my soul goes deeper.
I'm sorry, but what you just said can only be interpreted as "I'm not changing my mind because I'm done thinking". What you "feel" could be wrong. You could be wrong. Your "Experience with god" could easily be a misinterpretation of an ordinary event or a normal psychological phenomenon.
And I understand what you feel because I felt it too.
@BohemianBlasphemy For me there are no "ordinary events " or "ordinary psychological phenomenons" It's all inherently spiritual connected. I'm definitely not "done thinking". And of course what I" feel" could be wrong but I know it's right. That's what faith it is, really. When you know something that you can't possibly know ( to quote the book of Eli). I mean if I could prove what i have faith in then it ceases to be faith. No?
@BohemianBlasphemy "Faith is to believe without evidence, to quote the actual bible." of course I could be wrong, EVERYTHING could be wrong. At any moment all the science we know of could be proven wrong- all it takes is one paradigm shift. It's happened many times before. And The fact that I believe without tangible (as defined by man) proof it has always been part of beliefs. It what I mean when I say the word "faith" :/ Doesn't everyone?
@BohemianBlasphemy Oh please don't misunderstand me. There's evidence. The evidence is not man defined- that's the problem many probably have. But I have reasons for my faith, it's not in vain and it's not blind. So does anyone else who wants to lay down their life to serve God and serve others. It's something very powerful.
@BohemianBlasphemy I have faith because I have been fortunate enough to witness it work though others and myself. I have faith because in dark times though-out my life the spirit of God in me was all I had and I was convinced I was being called. I was given hope when there was none to have, I have faith because the string of events in my life have lined up perfectly with what the word of God describes and I can relate to very much. I know that I always will I have seen faith manifest in my life
@BohemianBlasphemy I could be right though. Actually, I would have to spend more time convincing myself I was wrong, it just wouldn't make sense. SOOO many coincidences happening one after the other doesn't add up.
@BohemianBlasphemy Yeah, that's enough proof for me. Even if it turns out to be all "fake" like you anticipate. My belief in God has only brought me good, purpose, love, hope and peace. Ain't nun wrong with that. If God and the spirit world is all fake the human mind does on kick ass,pervasive, persistent, all-encompassing impression of one so by that alone God must be some sort Darwinian survival instinct If so I would suggest everyone make themselves fit for survival ;)
Do you really think religious faith, if wrong, is a non-harmful mistake?
Look at the World Trade Center, look at the Christians trying to deny the gays their human right to get married, look at religious faith affecting the lives of all by influencing politics and inciting wars and acts of violence.
Conviction without evidence is a dangerous thing.
But I'm not worried. If the 1991 in your name is the years you were born, then you're young, and you're smart enough to wake up.
@BohemianBlasphemy Humans are harmful, we'll do what we want whether or not there's a religion to throw all of our atrocities under. Do you think that by eradicating religion (which is impossible since ALL civilizations since the beginning of time have had spiritual and supernatural beliefs- religion is deeply rooted part of human existence) is going to change our character? That's just putting a band aid on the "problem" and it would be futile effort in the end. Nothing resolved.
@SkiptotheLou1991 - "Because from reading about God and reading Bible that's the impression both myself and many other Christians get."
No it's not. Those people, such as yourself, are good people, who value love, peace and forgiveness anyway.
It is the individual doing the reading that decides which parts of the book they adhere to. Other interpretations of the very same passages you read can be, and in a lot of cases have been, used to justify atrocities.
Wow. You totally missed the point. He mentioned Hitler because he took a pretty small amount of people and almost changed the world. Hes not telling anyone to emulate Hitler you dunce, hes telling them that if they unite they can change the world FOR THE BETTER. You can make anything sound ban when you take it out of context. How can you be so stupid?
I've heard this rationalization over and over again. Rick Warren could have cited great Christian leaders - MLK for example, who changed the world. Instead he cited the dedication of followers of bloody political movements.
"Whatever it takes" - Warren's slogan - is amoral. It's a good slogan to inspire ruthless political cadres or soldiers but it doesn't fit the teachings of Jesus.
@bruceewilson He mentioned Hitler because its a more powerful example of what he's talking about. Who knows, maybe some other time in the speech he mentioned MLK. You cut it so how would we know? I dont care what fits the teaching of jesus. As long as they stay in the law i could care less. Against jesus or not theyd still be doing good in the world- alot more than there is now.
@bruceewilson Its obvious he used Hitler and not MLK or Gandhi for the impact of contrast and polarity. Evil almost took the world, why can't good? That's what he's trying to say. You try to extract all the negative out of something that's obviously meant to be positive- YOU DID miss the point. "Whatever it takes" is meant to signify devotion and commitment to a cause NOT ruthlessness. You're right that has NO place in Christianity- that's why it's insane that you would take it that way 0_o.
@callowaymotorcompany the point is that he is citing as exemplary the action of losing your ability to QUESTION authority and replace that freedom to question with a deep devotion that just FOLLOWS. blind following is dangerous. no matter what the intentions of a leader are, if he is urging you to stop questioning, it is wrong. The Hitler youth did not have devotion, they had blind following, just as Warren wants you kids to have... if you question you are letting the "devil" in...
Snake-oil salesmen all. Look into your own heart and mind. Why are human-beings such sheep? Why do we look to these charlatans for answers? Read the classics, study history and philosophy, examine existence, question dogma, deconstruct, let go of the ego, take long walks alone with just your thoughts and without any technological devices, turn off the boob tube and talk radio and realize that fear is a man-made conceit and that everything is an expression of love.
He's not admiring Hitler's beliefs. He's saying that if a group of people can gather with such dedication for something so evil & accomplish such destruction, imagine how AMAZING it would be if instead people gathered with PASSION & COMPASSION for something GOOD. imagine how much more we would achieve. If our energy could just be channeled into good as opposed to bad. & "whatever it takes" it can be easily taken out of context. He's obviously not going to start a genocide to spread Christianity
As a Christian I find this... disturbing. True followers of Jesus Christ desire to be like Christ and are honored to become nobody and nothing in this worlds eyes, and to share in Christ's sufferings. They do not follow the voice of a man manipulating a mass audience using those deceived by Hitler, Lenin, or Mao, as some twisted "example" to a Christian. These utterly horrendous "examples", cause me to pause... I'm not sure I can find the words to express my utter dismay...
@Keruaran Another thought: Why would Rick Warren, an alleged Christian Pastor, use Hitler and his brainwashed masses as an "example" to Christians rather than someone like Dietrich Bonhoeffer? The Pastor who according to Wikipedia: "Two days after Hitler was installed as Chancellor... delivered a radio address attacking Hitler, in which he warned Germany against slipping into an idolatrous cult of the Führer (Leader), who could very well turn out to be Verführer (mis-leader, or seducer)".
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.-The 1st Amendment of the US Constitution.
Adolf Hitler would have aimed on destroying the Bill of Rights that is so precious to the United States.
Here is a quote by Adolf Hitler on Character Education:
"A man with little scientific education but with a good, firm character is more valuable for the national community than a clever weakling. In the hard struggle of destiny, the man who knows least seldom succumbs."
It looks like Rick Warren is drinking the Kool-Aid of Fascism and the New World Order.
Hahaha it's funny some people criticize Rick Warren for being "too soft" of a Christian now he's "too radical" lol
Apparently when anyone draws a Hitler reference they automatically become as evil as he was lol Then i believe Rick's point is made..his influence runs so deep in people then why can't the character of the greatest man who ever lived (Jesus Christ) change this world?
It gets even better @the WWE. The WWE is the only cable channel with better ratings than Fox News. Same demographic. Ron Paul is usually right but politically wrong & cannot coexist in any position of
national power. If he runs a 3rd party campaign the RNC will work for him to make sure he draws enough votes from Obama to get Romney in the back door.
THIS IS THE ONLY PURPOSE Paul serves for the RNC & he knows it.
Wow. This video is one of the most insane things I've ever seen. Yeah let's drum up Nazi-levels of zeal among our followers and make ends-justify-the-means our motto. Fascism isn't just an ideology, it's a state of mind.
Remember how upset the Christian right was about Obama's old pastor. So what did Obama do? He brought in one of their own, this fucking lunatic, at the inauguration.
It will never be pretended that any persons employed in [the formation of the American governments] had interviews with gods, or were in any degree under the influence of Heaven ... ; it will forever be acknowledged that these governments were contrived merely by the use of reason and the senses.
man, i have to admit...i tend to think of myself as an intelligent person. but those guys, the founders, were so much smarter than we are. I honestly believe they were some of the best thinkers in human history...
@EnhancementSmoker : but they weren''t geniuses. they were just guys that got really lucky. they all had ulterior motives and were greedy and corrupt just like politicians today. watch the John Adams series. we shouldn't glorify them to much. they were very smart, and very lucky. but nothing to overly romanticize.
i think they were geniuses. WE are lucky. Lucky to have a constitution...which theoretically means rule of law. Lucky to not have religion or any non-rational or supernatural belief imposed on us within our constitution.
you may not want to glorify them. but they were much more studied then we. they really understood the ideas of greece, rome, the enlightenment
nothing better in history comes to mind. greater might be created...but i think future free govs will be modeled after theirs
if anything it made me realize how fuckin stupid people like you and I are. those guys studied their asses off...any idea how painstaking that must have been back then???
they formed a fuckin country. it wasnt perfect. but id bet they would fuckin weep if they saw what it had become...
not because of politics
but because our citizens are fuckin dumbass ignorant assholes like you and me typing ridiculous comments on an idiotic website instead of learning to the max
"The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father, in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter."
"During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What have been its fruits? More or less in all places, pride and indolence in the Clergy, ignorance and servility in the laity; in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution."
BEN FRANKLIN:
"I have found Christian dogma unintelligible. Early in life I absented myself from Christian assemblies."
Rick Warren is saying that being totally devoted to Jesus Christ with everything you have, will change the world and help build the kingdom of God. That's all he's saying. The analogies used were to show what people can accomplish, good or evil, if theyre devoted. He asked the audience to be devoted whole heartedly to Jesus Christ. That's Gods will.
See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the basic principles of this world rather than on Christ
2 Timothy 4:3 -
For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.
He isn't saying to be Jesus' Hitler.....what he is saying is that if we, as Christians, would be as devoted and committed to Jesus as Nazis were to Hitler look at what we as Christians might be able to accomplish. If we are committed what could we do.
That's not any less scary. I don't want Christians taking over the world - the fact that it's a form of fascism you like doesn't mean it isn't fucking terrifying to the rest of us.
How can you derive such non-sense from what is in the video. Listen to it again with a righteous heart and a righteous mind and you will hear the message. Jesus said that even though they have ears they will not hear.
Rick Warren told his crowd that followers of Jesus should be as devoted as followers of 20th Century leaders of violent political movements that killed millions of people.
Why didn't Rick Warren hold up, as leaders for Christians to follow with dedication, Martin Luther King Jr., Andre Trocme, or Gandhi ? (note - the first two are Christians)
Followers of Hitler were dedicated enough to turn humans into lampshades and tallow. What does such dedication have to do with Christianity ?
@bruceewilson Tallow is used in animal feed, to make soap, for cooking, and as a bird food. Verse 785 of skepticsannotatedbible com /cruelty/long.html says God "hates" his "dearly beloved" people and plans to feed them to the birds.
It's easy to twist a message when you a 50 min message and summarize subjectively into 3 mins. This is a poor representation of any point this video was intending to make. Instead of shining the light on an "evil" rick warren you have only the shown your own preconceived bias which completely negates your position.
This is the same guy who paid back his entire salary he received from the church and who gave away more than half of the money he made from his books. Sounds pretty evil to me.
no, but what's pretty evil is his campaign in Uganda to KILL people and execute them for being gay....very reminiscent of adolf hitler, it terrifies me the ignorance in other people to even urge such a campaign for a genocide of certain groups, it terrifies me the overly "exalted" overly purists in any kind of way, that to be pure one must eliminate innocence along the way, a contradiction to its own conviction, and it sickens me of people defending such a man
First, I commented on the video not because I was defending Rick Warren as a person but that the person who posted the video attempted to twist a sermon maliciously to solidify their own position. I do not know Rick Warren personally, but it's frustrating to see the sermon cleverly edited to display something that wasnt said.
As far as Uganda, I looked up your accusation: It is false. Rick Warren made a statement on Dec. 10 speaking against the proposed legislation.
lol I don't suppose you expected him to openly admit about it did you now,he played it like a scumbag politician would as much as he is a pastor, campaign for something and once you realize the disapprove of many you detach yourself away from it and be "against" it. so its more or less a guy setting himself up to be a hero not for the goodwill of his pure compassion oh no, because rick warren wants everyone to see how saintly he is. there have been many recorded audios of his genocide campaign
He has a point about radicalism. Unfortunately he is focusing it into backwardness instead of progress.
Pooternackle5 5 months ago
Um, a bit of a stretch to say he wants them to be just like the Hitler youth don't you think? On the contrary, if Christians stood up for Christ in a way that proclaimed complete dedication to preaching to the world, big things would happen. The difference here is in the heart of the leader to follow. Hitler had severe hate, Christ has a sacrifice from the cross for His followers. Big difference.
MattyYouthGoon 6 months ago
@MattyYouthGoon the problem with your argument and it seems everyone's here is they have made the HUGE assumption that something is GOOD if it is done in the name of Jesus. The link to the Hitler youth and all the other groups is that all of the groups believed that what they were doing was good despite the fact that to anybody who was not part of the group it was clearly bad. I am not saying that christianity is bad but there are parts that are not good and harm more people than they help.
demarcheofedacity 5 months ago
@MattyYouthGoon (part 2) That is what Rick wants and it is a dangerous thing. To have people so dedicated that they do not question all of their beliefs means that out of the good also comes the bad. All of the other groups mentioned also helped their countries but that is forgotten due to the bad that they also did and did not question due to the fact that they were radicals. However instead of being remembered for the good they did do they are remembered for the horrible evil that they did.
demarcheofedacity 5 months ago
Following Rick Warren is dangerous. He seems to use "new age" thinking with with the Bible and mixed it up as his own Christianity. You never really know where he is teaching from. Also, anybody that "teaches" the Bible and yet tells the whole world he is a reverse tither is not seeking a reward from heaven but from man and is more interested in what others say about him then what God says. God says to give in secrete not to let anybody know but the Father what you have given to the needy.
TheProducerDirector 8 months ago
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SoiledSouls 10 months ago
You know, I disagree with Rick Warren's view of Christianity. He doesn't go 100% by the New Testament, as we are supposed to. However, I do understand what he meant by using those radical evil men as examples. They had a determined mindset to change their world. Jesus was a radical man; he set the Jewish, the Roman, then the whole world on fire. But Jesus was good, He is our example. We should have a determined mindset to bring Christianity to the world, but by good, not by force.
alwayspatriotic 11 months ago 2
@alwayspatriotic - Martin Luther King, a Christian visionary, had a determination to change the world, but not with violence. Why do you think Rick Warren cited the dedication of followers of some of the most violent secular political movements of the last century, movements responsible for the deaths of tens of millions of people? Why didn't he cite MLK? And what do you think Warren's "whatever it takes" exhortation to his crowd was supposed to mean?
bruceewilson 11 months ago
@bruceewilson Whatever it takes may mean going into all the world to spread the gospel, the way Jesus said to do. That could mean a person could go into a country, like all these islamic countries who hate Christianity. You know a person who hands out Bibles and talks about Christ could be killed. However, I do not believe Warren is a true Biblical Christian, any more than Martin Luther King was. Man-made denominations are not Biblical.
alwayspatriotic 11 months ago
Respond to this video...I am sorry you cannot seem to understand the reason Warren used radicals as examples. Being radical for GOOD with the same fervor that his examples did for BAD. Do you understand now? He is not advocating for his congregation to go out and do BAD, but to do GOOD with the same enthusiasm that the examples he cited had for their BAD cause. Like liberals are as enthusiastic for abortion, as I am for not killing the unborn.
alwayspatriotic 11 months ago
@alwayspatriotic Define ''good''. Forcing Biblical law on the US? Forbidding evolution to be taught in school? Forcing ''Christian values'' on those who happen to think differently (abortion aside. I know this issue can be fought with secular arguments that I happen not to agree with)? Or simply shoving his beliefs down the throats of the unwilling and brainwashing young malleable minds?
bookcreator 9 months ago
@bookcreator If I have to define the goodness of Jesus Christ and His Gospel to you, then you most likely have never studied the Bible. If you read what I wrote, I SAID by good NOT by FORCE!! If I tell you about Christ, and you reject Him, it is your free will to do so.
As for brainwashing young minds, I believe the far left socialist liberals of our country are unfortunately doing a really fine job of that.
alwayspatriotic 9 months ago
@alwayspatriotic Well I'm glad we've established the difference between ''good'' and ''force''. I'm reading the Bible now and I happen to find it the most repulsive thing I've ever read. The liberals/ fanatical atheists really didn't have to convince me; the Bible itself did. I'm glad that force is something you don't want to use, but I doubt Rick Warren has the same view.
bookcreator 9 months ago
This guy's name is on the CFR membership roster. Now why would a true man of God be a member of an organization working to usher in a one world dictatorship?
ericjaynelson 1 year ago
Burn in Hell, Rick Warren.
Burn In Hell, Saddleback "Church."
DaveDeShrubber 1 year ago
The Illuminati’s Council on Foreign Relations has enlisted the services of evangelicals, Pastor Rick Warren and Richard Land, to marshall tens of millions of evangelical Christians in a global crusade to convert humanity to the 'New Global Spirituality'.
These are 2 agents of Rockefeller's Council on Foreign Relations, a subversive org. working towards the destruction of a free America & installation of the One World government.
Rick Warren are working towards a one "unified" spiritual "body".
SovereignBeing 1 year ago
scary
TheNocturneMoon 1 year ago
WWJD?
0871368021 1 year ago
Check out 'PASTOR DICK CARTOON' = Warren?
SoiledSouls 1 year ago
Wow - this guy is an arrogant PIG.
My Churchs, My Vision, If only you people would be as committed as the Hitler Youth, the followers of Lenin and Mao ...... You forgot about Charles Manson you Fat Slob.
He missed the point he is really making in using 3 of the world's most evil infamous
characters; - this is the devil's world and evil has a strong attraction and is an easy
path for people in this life.
This megalamaniacal fool is dangerously self deluded.
SoiledSouls 1 year ago
Cause this world just needs another blind, stupid, unquestioning mob
Shalek 1 year ago
Rick Warren is a fiend.
Shalek 1 year ago
There is nothing more frightening than invoking the name of God to fulfill our purposes. Every great tyrant has rallied the troops with this type of propaganda. Stay away from Rick. Stay away from this kind of thinking.
OurFreedomCall 1 year ago 2
creepy
baronsengir187 1 year ago 2
Fitting since Hitler was also a Christian as well. People with too much power will tend to abuse it eventually.
ScaryGuy255 1 year ago
History already showed us what happens when the “Christian Church” rules the world.
Science went almost back to the Neolithic, for about 1000 years. Under the rule of Rick Warren (and like mined foke) science may go all the back to the Paleolithic.
karmazach 1 year ago
This scares me.
EmilyCan0 1 year ago 5
@EmilyCan0 Well, it irritates me. The reasons are complex - my biological life is probably at least 1/2 over. I've lived. Fear sometimes decreases with age. Then, I have some small measure of control - hence this video, which Rick Warren seems to have personally responded to in a statement he sent to a worldwide audience.
bruceewilson 1 year ago
@EmilyCan0 Why?
alwayspatriotic 11 months ago
Just admit it Rick, you're a fascist.
darklordrandy 1 year ago 6
Classic cult behaviour, and hive mentality. How many dared not to hold the sign up?
aido92 1 year ago
Lets just hope by some "Miracle" that church of his ends up bankrupt along with Rick Warren himself and his followers smarten up and figure out how stupid and psychotic this mans views are. Honestly the bible is fucked up enough by itself he makes it even worse which amazes me how easily fooled people are into believing all of this bullshit that hasn't been proven by anyone at all. I just hope humans start using critical thinking more often then faith.
WarMasterX6 1 year ago
Well - One thing which I agree with this Egomaniacal tub of Lard - He's right in comparing himself to Hitler, Lenin, Mao.
SoiledSouls 1 year ago
Rick is "batshit" insane. Next is the book burning.
2supperman 1 year ago
@2supperman Well I could be tempted, depending on which books they are. Hmm, let's me get the list started:
The Purpose Driven Church, The Purpose Driven Life, Answers to Life's Difficult Questions, The Power to Change Your Life, What on Earth Am I Here For? Booklet, Personal Bible Study Methods, The Purpose of Christmas
DeeDemonwitch 1 year ago
Whatever it takes probably involves cleansing the world of things that their god does not approve of. They are the American Taliban.
fireincarnation2 1 year ago
"whatever it takes" from mao, lenin and hitler lead to murder of million
"whatever it takes" from anti-nazis means violence if necessary
"whatever it takes" in the drug war in mexico includes killing
"whatever it takes" in the war on terror includes invasion of countries
Even for 'good' reasons "whatever it takes" will ALWAYS imply violence
Even if the people saying it are not thinking violence it mentally prepares them to accept it when it does happen
Scarletpooky 1 year ago
Of course, the inherent problem with such a scenario as I mentioned is that preconceived morality, even good morality, is evil expressly because it is preconceived. It would be an improvement over the current faith-based morals, but in reality, the best culture would be one where parents and other influencers emphasized reason alone, and implored each new person to seek their own morality with age.
rationalegoist90 1 year ago
At least there could be a good result if American Christians became radicalized. If they lost their ensuing war, it could finally create a mainstream culture hostile to Christianity and religion in general, and bring about the collapse of faith-based values and morality, leading the way perhaps for a set of societal values more founded in reason and rationality. Hopefully such an event would precipitate a strong stigma against religion, and people like Warren would rightfully be vilified.
rationalegoist90 1 year ago
This is what frightens me about religious people, they actually want to devote themselves completely to a cause that they not only want to be the one and only cause but refuse to believe that they could be wrong.... human beings have a startlingly consistent track record of being completely wrong about almost everything, that considered, encouraging unfaltering devotion without question is rather worrying.
Amarkcalledme 1 year ago
"whatever it takes, i know I can make it through-"
Whoops, sorry!
:P
lonelysith66 1 year ago
Warren is beginning to seem dangerous to me.
zarkoff45 1 year ago
Is this douche high?!
WTF?!
O_O
lonelysith66 1 year ago
I think it would be more noble to refer to the influence of the Founding Fathers of the US Constitution such as Benjamin Franklin, George Washington, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, John Jay, James Madison, and Alexander Hamilton.
Kyouryuu5000 1 year ago
Couldn't he have come up with three LESS VILE EXAMPLES! I mean YISH! Our Lord is being compared to HITLER, Mao Tse Tung and Lennin .
MrsWLeach 1 year ago
Why are people making something negative out of this? He probably drew Hitler as a reference and not somebody like MLK for the impact of contrast and polarity. It doesn't he wants a bunch of tyrannical mini- Hitlers making people Christian whether they want to be or not. Jeeze, relax.
SkiptotheLou1991 1 year ago
Does anyone else on here feel that Rick Warren is a false preacher and that Saddleback Church is a Cult?
lasvegasdaril 1 year ago
@lasvegasdaril How is he false? What has he ever said that's not biblically rooted?
SkiptotheLou1991 1 year ago
I think a lot of people, including Rick Warren himself, are missing the point that it wasn't just Hitler's beliefs that were wrong. It was his methods as well. Indoctrination, dogma, an "us vs. them" mentality, scapegoating, encouraging a martyr complex, and demanding unquestioning obedience. These are the tactics of Christian dominionists, and this is what Rick Warren is doing when he asks for "whatever it takes."
abluequandary 1 year ago 2
@abluequandary I think he's talking about Hitler's impact and influence. People responded to him. He used a dogma of fear, violence, hatred etc.. We can have that same impact but use a dogma of love, peace, forgiveness, selflessness, sacrifice..positive emotions are a million times stronger than negative ones
SkiptotheLou1991 1 year ago
@SkiptotheLou1991
But that is the problem. Dogma is dogma, and that is never a good thing. Those who regard humankind as either fish to ensnare in a net, crops to harvest, or livestock to be herded are not friends of humanity, even if they wear the "good guy badge".
Tell me, how is a Nazi soldier that has "completely sold out" to the Fuhrer not being selfless? How is he not sacrificing for the Fatherland? How is he not practicing love for his people, the master race?
ShadowPa1adin 1 year ago
@ShadowPa1adin I agree. Love is NOT love if it is forced. Maybe "dogma" as you use it a bad word. I was alluding to the spread an ideology- not a tyrannical movement to impose upon people and "herd" them. I mean a large POSITIVE impact can be made on world just like a large NEGATIVE impact has been made several times in the past. Why can't switch the power of influence around for the betterment of humanity? Who would be opposed to that?
SkiptotheLou1991 1 year ago
@ShadowPa1adin Also, you can't compare "nazi loyalty" to this. That's like comparing a doctor who sacrifices his life to do good to a serial killer who sacrifices his life to his "craft". Just because they both love their "jobs" doesn't mean they're comparable.
SkiptotheLou1991 1 year ago
@SkiptotheLou1991
"Love is NOT love if it is forced."
How do you square this with instances in the Bible where love is commanded?
"you can't compare "nazi loyalty" to this."
Actually I can, as "Nazi loyalty" is the kind that Rick held up as an example. The fact remains that RW is a promoter of totalitarianism. When RW promotes the idea that people have absolutely no right to live for their own happiness and must live for the pleasure of God, he is promoting slavery.
ShadowPa1adin 1 year ago
@ShadowPa1adin We are commanded to love, yes. But the very nature of love means that it cannot be forced. A person must CHOOSE to love and DESIRE to love.- that's where free will comes in.
He's talking about commitment and devotion . "Slavery "and complete servitude to God is the most ultimate goal of Christianity. It has been that way FOREVER.You saying that shows me how unfamiliar you are with the principles of Christianity itself. Christ was a slave for humanity- we are to be like Christ
SkiptotheLou1991 1 year ago
@SkiptotheLou1991
"We are commanded to love, yes. But the very nature of love means that it cannot be forced"
And what happens if someone does not love God?
How can Christ be selfless if he wants other people to live for him? When someone is gives something up for someone else, the recipient is acting selfishly (valuing one's self) when they accept it. A god that wants others to live for him is a selfish god, even if he did endure pain give up his life for a short period of time.
ShadowPa1adin 1 year ago
@ShadowPa1adin Allllrighty then, Youtube does not provide me the space to tackle those questions LOL This isn't a debate about the video anymore but about Christianity in general and the definition of the word "selfish". To be short though, in being like Christ we mimic his servitude to the Father, And we do this out of love and because we WANT to ie: A person loves u so much that they lay down their life u, u become overwhelmed with love and do the same for them. I don't see how that's selfish.
SkiptotheLou1991 1 year ago
@ShadowPa1adin In this corrupted world, words like "slave" and "servant" sound unappealing. But in Christianity serving God and others out of love is the most rewarding thing a person can do. Even psychologists agree that people who are the least self-centered and charitable are the happiest. In the western "me" culture the opposite is promoted- materialism and self-centered reign. So i'm sure living for a cause that's bigger than your own selfish pleasure and comfort sounds frightening to some.
SkiptotheLou1991 1 year ago
@SkiptotheLou1991
Rick Warren had his stadium of followers hold up signs saying "whatever" it takes. Rather suggestive given the exhortation to Nazi-level dedication. But there's more. In a late 2009 [ do Google search ' "Rick Warren", "Peter Wagner", conspiring ' ] Warren issued a public statement denying that he was not "conspiring" to "rid the world of homosexuals." No one had accused Rick Warren of that in the first place. It was telling.
bruceewilson 1 year ago
@bruceewilson I think it's pretty obvious he did it that way to allude to the idea of devotion and commitment. The nazi's committed in the very same way yet ti was for the purpose of evil. Similarly,why can't people commit to a good cause? It's seems it's that way for poetic impact. It's controversial, sure. That doesn't mean it's automatically BAD. So what if he said he's not conspiring to rid the world of gays? Uh isn't that a good thing? lol What's the problem? Will look it up, though.
SkiptotheLou1991 1 year ago
@SkiptotheLou1991 - "The nazi's committed in the very same way yet ti was for the purpose of evil. Similarly,why can't people commit to a good cause?"
Nothing is ever good in this world that tells you to stop thinking for yourself, and that's exactly what Rick Warren is asking these people to do.
Skindoggiedog 1 year ago
@SkiptotheLou1991
It would be wonderful to do what you just said, but the "dogma of love, peace, forgiveness, selflessness, sacrifice and positive emotions" is not what Christianity is about.
BohemianBlasphemy 1 year ago
@BohemianBlasphemy Okay, do you mind telling me what is then? Don't leave me in ignorance.Because from reading about God and reading Bible that's the impression both myself and many other Christians get.
SkiptotheLou1991 1 year ago
@SkiptotheLou1991
It's about rewarding credulity and punishing (eternally) critical thinking and skepticism.
It's about convincing individuals that --from birth and even from conception-- they are nothing but garbage deserving nothing but eternal torture and in need of being saved.
It's about slavery and intolerance. It's about "us and them" mentality.
You said you've read the bible. Didn't you see the practice of keeping slaves being endorsed in there?
BohemianBlasphemy 1 year ago
@BohemianBlasphemy Well, I'm sorry that's your perception of it. You obviously look at the religion through a negative lens. I don't. Eg: What you might see as "self-hatred" I see as merely humility. At no point have I ever been taught to hate myself. The faith has actually helped my confidence and self love in many ways. We can go back and forth about all these but what does it have to with the message of Jesus Christ? You know the stuff about : self sacrifice, love, serving others etc.
SkiptotheLou1991 1 year ago
@SkiptotheLou1991
"At no point have I ever been taught to hate myself"
So you DON'T think all humans are born guilty and deserving of Hell?
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"What does it have to with the message of Jesus Christ?"
You follow his message? Really?
So you already sold all your possessions and gave the money to the poor?
BohemianBlasphemy 1 year ago
@BohemianBlasphemy The concept of original sin has nothing to do with "hating" yourself, silly. Obviously you would perceive it this way because you hate Christianity. But ALL major religions see a "problem" in the human reality and for Christianity that problem is "sin". If you want to see that has "hating" yourself then by all means ms/mr Blasphemy.
I have given money to the poor before yeah but re-enacting bible stories and parables is not really the main focus of Christianity :s lol
SkiptotheLou1991 1 year ago
@SkiptotheLou1991
The selling of all your possessions as a requirement to be a follower of Jesus is not a parable or a story you can choose not to re-enact, it is a commandment given by Jesus himself. Read Matthew 19:21.
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"The concept of original sin has nothing to do with "hating" yourself, silly"
So, do you believe in original sin or you don't?
Do you think you were born stained with original sin?
BohemianBlasphemy 1 year ago
@BohemianBlasphemy Uh yeah, that's verse shows Christians the principles they should have when it comes to giving. That doesn't always LITERALLY mean" give everything away and live in street or else you're not Christian".
SkiptotheLou1991 1 year ago
@BohemianBlasphemy And yes I do believe in original sin, obviously. I don't think it's all about God being a big meanie poo poo head telling me to hate myself ,though. Sorry.
SkiptotheLou1991 1 year ago
@SkiptotheLou1991
Well then, you believe you were BORN being a sinner and deserving of Hell! As a BABY and even BEFORE YOU WERE BORN you were a criminal, guilty of a crime which is only punishable with ETERNAL TORTURE!
So don't tell me you have a positive image of yourself, please.
You're a smart person, clearly very decent and moral, and you're allowing this nonsense -which I defended for more than 2 decades- to enslave you. Please wake up.
BohemianBlasphemy 1 year ago
@BohemianBlasphemy Lol, CAPS lock does not scare me, fyi. I'm not enslaved, sorry. And yes people are born into sin and that separates them form God, whoodie doo. Not much shock value in that for me. I believe in Christian universalism btw, which means I believe God's love will conquer all and everyone will end up in heaven,eventually. There actually a lot of biblical support for that.
SkiptotheLou1991 1 year ago
@SkiptotheLou1991
It wasn't to scare, it was to suggest emphasis.
And you know why you believe in Christian universalism? Because your morals (which are superior than the morals of any biblical character) and your sense of empathy are incompatible with the idea of a Hell where the non-christians burn for ever.
But do you realize the huge amount of biblical scripture you have to ignore to defend the notion of Christian universalism?
Wake up and take some credit for your decency.
BohemianBlasphemy 1 year ago
@BohemianBlasphemy About slavery:Almost every ancient civilization had a form of slavery. The type of slavery widely practiced around the world is NOT the same as *chattel slavery*- what the Europeans inflicted upon blacks. THAT is a unique brand of slavery that denies the slave's status as a human and treats like animals. This is NOT the type of slavery most cultures practiced.Even so, the Bible never ENDORSES slavery. To mention does not mean endorse. Come on, you know that.
SkiptotheLou1991 1 year ago
@SkiptotheLou1991
Your arguments seem to come straight from Lee Strobel and other bible apologists. Also, it is clear now that you haven't actually read the bible. I can quote the passages where it tell us who to slave, and how to mark, beat, sell, buy and keep our slaves and even when it is OK to kill them. How is that any different from the "brand of slavery that denies the slave's status as a human and treats like animals"?
BohemianBlasphemy 1 year ago
@BohemianBlasphemy I'm not familiar with Lee Strobel. And I have read the Bible that's why I know Biblical principles point away from any form of slavery. In the Old Testament God also tells people to kill every man, woman and child sometimes. That doesn't mean I think it's okay slaughter entire villages. But yeah, whatever, I get it, you're one of those Christianity haters that just loooooooves to exploit the old testament and milk all the bad juicy stuff out of there you can.
SkiptotheLou1991 1 year ago
@SkiptotheLou1991
Well, you just said you disagree with god. Your words:
"God also tells people to kill every man, woman and child sometimes", and then "That doesn't mean I think it's okay slaughter entire villages".
Yes,I do hate all religions. I mean, look at what Christianity is doing to you! You're a decent person and probably smart enough to realize the immorality of the Bible (Old and New Testament),but you have a mental block due to indoctrination.I hate religion because I love mankind.
BohemianBlasphemy 1 year ago
@BohemianBlasphemy I'm not indoctrinated. And I'm not disagreeing with God when I say I don't think it's okay to kill villages . I think the Old testament is very complicated, even for spiritually mature Christians and like you, I don't yet understand everything in there. However, I DO have my experiences with God and it's okay if YOU don't understand what's in my heart. But you don't want to understand, really.
SkiptotheLou1991 1 year ago
@SkiptotheLou1991
I've heard those words before. Look, I used to be just like you, and I defended the bible no matter what; but there's a point where you just have to admit something is foundationally wrong with it.
You said "god commanded genocides", and then "I don't agree with genocide". That is disagreeing with God and there's no other way to put it. You disagree with that imaginary character because you are a decent human and more moral than the fictitious dictator you worship.
BohemianBlasphemy 1 year ago
@BohemianBlasphemy Okay, thank you for trying to understand me. I understand where you're coming from. I know that as people grow intellectually the ordinary run of the mill gospel does not satisfy their thirst for answers. That probably precisely why many people fall away from the faith in their college years. But *I* bknow MY will faith transcend all that because it's deeper than any internet arguments over the Bible. Logic is man-made, limited and flawed what I feel in my soul goes deeper.
SkiptotheLou1991 1 year ago
@SkiptotheLou1991
I'm sorry, but what you just said can only be interpreted as "I'm not changing my mind because I'm done thinking". What you "feel" could be wrong. You could be wrong. Your "Experience with god" could easily be a misinterpretation of an ordinary event or a normal psychological phenomenon.
And I understand what you feel because I felt it too.
BohemianBlasphemy 1 year ago
@BohemianBlasphemy For me there are no "ordinary events " or "ordinary psychological phenomenons" It's all inherently spiritual connected. I'm definitely not "done thinking". And of course what I" feel" could be wrong but I know it's right. That's what faith it is, really. When you know something that you can't possibly know ( to quote the book of Eli). I mean if I could prove what i have faith in then it ceases to be faith. No?
SkiptotheLou1991 1 year ago
@BohemianBlasphemy And if you fell away then I can assure you're not feeling what I'm feeling. No offense.
SkiptotheLou1991 1 year ago
@SkiptotheLou1991
Oh, I felt what you feel, but then I thought what you dare not to.
Faith is to believe without evidence, to quote the actual bible.
I'm glad to see you admit that you could be wrong, but before you said you're unwilling to change your current beliefs.
BohemianBlasphemy 1 year ago
@BohemianBlasphemy "Faith is to believe without evidence, to quote the actual bible." of course I could be wrong, EVERYTHING could be wrong. At any moment all the science we know of could be proven wrong- all it takes is one paradigm shift. It's happened many times before. And The fact that I believe without tangible (as defined by man) proof it has always been part of beliefs. It what I mean when I say the word "faith" :/ Doesn't everyone?
SkiptotheLou1991 1 year ago
@SkiptotheLou1991
Your description of religious faith is correct: Certainty without evidence.
And by definition there's nothing positive about it.
BohemianBlasphemy 1 year ago
@BohemianBlasphemy Oh please don't misunderstand me. There's evidence. The evidence is not man defined- that's the problem many probably have. But I have reasons for my faith, it's not in vain and it's not blind. So does anyone else who wants to lay down their life to serve God and serve others. It's something very powerful.
SkiptotheLou1991 1 year ago
@SkiptotheLou1991
Good, you're almost starting to quote first peter 3:15.
"The evidence is not man defined"
Yes it is. You had some experiences, you are defining them as "evidence", and you're a human.
But anyway, present said evidence.
BTW, I'm down with serving others. God, not so much, unless it actually exists.
BohemianBlasphemy 1 year ago
@BohemianBlasphemy I have faith because I have been fortunate enough to witness it work though others and myself. I have faith because in dark times though-out my life the spirit of God in me was all I had and I was convinced I was being called. I was given hope when there was none to have, I have faith because the string of events in my life have lined up perfectly with what the word of God describes and I can relate to very much. I know that I always will I have seen faith manifest in my life
SkiptotheLou1991 1 year ago
@SkiptotheLou1991
Couldn't you be wrong on the interpretation of those events?
BohemianBlasphemy 1 year ago
@BohemianBlasphemy I could be right though. Actually, I would have to spend more time convincing myself I was wrong, it just wouldn't make sense. SOOO many coincidences happening one after the other doesn't add up.
SkiptotheLou1991 1 year ago
@BohemianBlasphemy It's like 3 am where I am dude/dudette so i'll either continue this later or you can have a good day:) night night Bohemian.
SkiptotheLou1991 1 year ago
@BohemianBlasphemy Yeah, that's enough proof for me. Even if it turns out to be all "fake" like you anticipate. My belief in God has only brought me good, purpose, love, hope and peace. Ain't nun wrong with that. If God and the spirit world is all fake the human mind does on kick ass,pervasive, persistent, all-encompassing impression of one so by that alone God must be some sort Darwinian survival instinct If so I would suggest everyone make themselves fit for survival ;)
SkiptotheLou1991 1 year ago
@SkiptotheLou1991
Do you really think religious faith, if wrong, is a non-harmful mistake?
Look at the World Trade Center, look at the Christians trying to deny the gays their human right to get married, look at religious faith affecting the lives of all by influencing politics and inciting wars and acts of violence.
Conviction without evidence is a dangerous thing.
But I'm not worried. If the 1991 in your name is the years you were born, then you're young, and you're smart enough to wake up.
BohemianBlasphemy 1 year ago 2
@BohemianBlasphemy Humans are harmful, we'll do what we want whether or not there's a religion to throw all of our atrocities under. Do you think that by eradicating religion (which is impossible since ALL civilizations since the beginning of time have had spiritual and supernatural beliefs- religion is deeply rooted part of human existence) is going to change our character? That's just putting a band aid on the "problem" and it would be futile effort in the end. Nothing resolved.
SkiptotheLou1991 1 year ago
@SkiptotheLou1991 - "Because from reading about God and reading Bible that's the impression both myself and many other Christians get."
No it's not. Those people, such as yourself, are good people, who value love, peace and forgiveness anyway.
It is the individual doing the reading that decides which parts of the book they adhere to. Other interpretations of the very same passages you read can be, and in a lot of cases have been, used to justify atrocities.
Skindoggiedog 1 year ago
I make fun of Rick Warren a lot, but I never forget what he truly is - a demagogue with plans for Christian Dominionism on my earth.
AngieAntiTheist 1 year ago
Wow. You totally missed the point. He mentioned Hitler because he took a pretty small amount of people and almost changed the world. Hes not telling anyone to emulate Hitler you dunce, hes telling them that if they unite they can change the world FOR THE BETTER. You can make anything sound ban when you take it out of context. How can you be so stupid?
callowaymotorcompany 1 year ago
I've heard this rationalization over and over again. Rick Warren could have cited great Christian leaders - MLK for example, who changed the world. Instead he cited the dedication of followers of bloody political movements.
"Whatever it takes" - Warren's slogan - is amoral. It's a good slogan to inspire ruthless political cadres or soldiers but it doesn't fit the teachings of Jesus.
bruceewilson 1 year ago 8
@bruceewilson He mentioned Hitler because its a more powerful example of what he's talking about. Who knows, maybe some other time in the speech he mentioned MLK. You cut it so how would we know? I dont care what fits the teaching of jesus. As long as they stay in the law i could care less. Against jesus or not theyd still be doing good in the world- alot more than there is now.
callowaymotorcompany 1 year ago
@bruceewilson Its obvious he used Hitler and not MLK or Gandhi for the impact of contrast and polarity. Evil almost took the world, why can't good? That's what he's trying to say. You try to extract all the negative out of something that's obviously meant to be positive- YOU DID miss the point. "Whatever it takes" is meant to signify devotion and commitment to a cause NOT ruthlessness. You're right that has NO place in Christianity- that's why it's insane that you would take it that way 0_o.
SkiptotheLou1991 1 year ago
@bruceewilson Maybe he didn't want to use King as an example.
alwayspatriotic 11 months ago
@callowaymotorcompany the point is that he is citing as exemplary the action of losing your ability to QUESTION authority and replace that freedom to question with a deep devotion that just FOLLOWS. blind following is dangerous. no matter what the intentions of a leader are, if he is urging you to stop questioning, it is wrong. The Hitler youth did not have devotion, they had blind following, just as Warren wants you kids to have... if you question you are letting the "devil" in...
vanillasmile82 1 year ago
@callowaymotorcompany
good to know there is at least one intelligent person in the comment section!
badasholdman 1 year ago
Who are you to tell anyone what to Believe? talk a about it now! - - iuchat . com
MsTashaPeterson 1 year ago 2
Snake-oil salesmen all. Look into your own heart and mind. Why are human-beings such sheep? Why do we look to these charlatans for answers? Read the classics, study history and philosophy, examine existence, question dogma, deconstruct, let go of the ego, take long walks alone with just your thoughts and without any technological devices, turn off the boob tube and talk radio and realize that fear is a man-made conceit and that everything is an expression of love.
jdgrab1 1 year ago
Wow, you really took that message the wrong way!
Hope you're not and airline pilot or a waiter.
infiltrator7777 1 year ago
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xjuuni 1 year ago
He's not admiring Hitler's beliefs. He's saying that if a group of people can gather with such dedication for something so evil & accomplish such destruction, imagine how AMAZING it would be if instead people gathered with PASSION & COMPASSION for something GOOD. imagine how much more we would achieve. If our energy could just be channeled into good as opposed to bad. & "whatever it takes" it can be easily taken out of context. He's obviously not going to start a genocide to spread Christianity
xjuuni 1 year ago
As a Christian I find this... disturbing. True followers of Jesus Christ desire to be like Christ and are honored to become nobody and nothing in this worlds eyes, and to share in Christ's sufferings. They do not follow the voice of a man manipulating a mass audience using those deceived by Hitler, Lenin, or Mao, as some twisted "example" to a Christian. These utterly horrendous "examples", cause me to pause... I'm not sure I can find the words to express my utter dismay...
Keruaran 1 year ago
@Keruaran Another thought: Why would Rick Warren, an alleged Christian Pastor, use Hitler and his brainwashed masses as an "example" to Christians rather than someone like Dietrich Bonhoeffer? The Pastor who according to Wikipedia: "Two days after Hitler was installed as Chancellor... delivered a radio address attacking Hitler, in which he warned Germany against slipping into an idolatrous cult of the Führer (Leader), who could very well turn out to be Verführer (mis-leader, or seducer)".
Keruaran 1 year ago
Rick Warren = Nazi fascist.
TutsuoAikido 1 year ago
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.-The 1st Amendment of the US Constitution.
Adolf Hitler would have aimed on destroying the Bill of Rights that is so precious to the United States.
Kyouryuu5000 1 year ago
What does Rick Warren even mean by "whatever it takes?" Could he be referring to a one world government?
Kyouryuu5000 1 year ago
Someone should have challenged him right then and there. Match the fervor of the Nazi's? Lunatic...
Oofloom 1 year ago
Here is a quote by Adolf Hitler on Character Education:
"A man with little scientific education but with a good, firm character is more valuable for the national community than a clever weakling. In the hard struggle of destiny, the man who knows least seldom succumbs."
It looks like Rick Warren is drinking the Kool-Aid of Fascism and the New World Order.
Kyouryuu5000 1 year ago
Hahaha it's funny some people criticize Rick Warren for being "too soft" of a Christian now he's "too radical" lol
Apparently when anyone draws a Hitler reference they automatically become as evil as he was lol Then i believe Rick's point is made..his influence runs so deep in people then why can't the character of the greatest man who ever lived (Jesus Christ) change this world?
SkiptotheLou1991 1 year ago
@SkiptotheLou1991
Lots o' folks are "the greatest man who ever lived", if you happen to go by the literature of the cults they founded.
ShadowPa1adin 1 year ago
@ShadowPa1adin Uh yeah..it's a religion..what do you expect? It's called a FAITH. Belief in a deity, that kind of thing.... o_0
SkiptotheLou1991 1 year ago
The Purpose Driven Nutcase by Rick Warren.
I saw the same hooha @a hockey game.
It gets even better @the WWE. The WWE is the only cable channel with better ratings than Fox News. Same demographic. Ron Paul is usually right but politically wrong & cannot coexist in any position of
national power. If he runs a 3rd party campaign the RNC will work for him to make sure he draws enough votes from Obama to get Romney in the back door.
THIS IS THE ONLY PURPOSE Paul serves for the RNC & he knows it.
danger0usknowledge 1 year ago
Wow. This video is one of the most insane things I've ever seen. Yeah let's drum up Nazi-levels of zeal among our followers and make ends-justify-the-means our motto. Fascism isn't just an ideology, it's a state of mind.
Oofloom 1 year ago
Remember how upset the Christian right was about Obama's old pastor. So what did Obama do? He brought in one of their own, this fucking lunatic, at the inauguration.
So tell me Christian right: who's crazy now?
Oofloom 1 year ago
It's not every day you see someone invoke Godwin's Law on himself.
It takes a special person to look at Hitler, Stalin, and Mao, and think, "Yeah, I wanna be like them."
wandersfar 1 year ago
"Whatever it takes" is possibly the creepiest and scariest phrase ever to be uttered by a large organization.
jhsi1994 1 year ago 5
And, Imagine convincing a stadium crowd, tens of thousands, to hold up signs, in unison, reading "whatever it takes."
Wow. That's persuasion. But, what sort of persuasion ?
bruceewilson 1 year ago 2
The Christian Right is immersed in
the politics of fascism. They pick up
sad wounded people and give them
the feeling that fanatic dedication to
their cause will give their broken lives
meaning. Erich Fromm wrote a book called Escape from Freedom, that describes the process of how fascists movements are built. I think Rick
Warren and Lou Engle and James
Dobson have studied it and are implementing it. They might even succeed if the rationalists don't speak out and opposes these wingnuts.
meangreenmeme 1 year ago
@bruceewilson Dietrich Bonhoeffer would turn in his grave...
Keruaran 1 year ago
Christians. Muslims. There is no longer a difference between them.
Lets hope that they war against each other so hard, that they kill off each other. Allowing secular men and women to fix this planet.
leafybean 1 year ago 2
@leafybean : what i am curious about is where all we atheists will go during this war? where can we escape from the destruction and folly?
anearforbaby 1 year ago
hmm seems to me like the truth is that moderate people are not the cause of millions of death....radicals are
hebesbt 1 year ago
"whatever it takes" those words scare me, Warren just stated that anything should be done for the sake of Christianity.
Triforce007 2 years ago 4
i hope the extremists of all religions just hurry up and kill each other off and leave the resr of us alone!!!
cpmondello 2 years ago 8
'Chistian Radicals'... the same as 'Muslim Radicals'...no difference what so ever. Rick Warren an American 'Mulah'.
Townclownsunite 2 years ago 7
hitler is the devil in a soldier uniform. any one of you who follow hitler and his venom words...should be kicked out of ur country.
YoungGillian 2 years ago
Warren is right, white youth should be like the Hitlerjungend.
bigpoopie69 2 years ago
Sorry I said "fuck america". I was really angry at kosher conservatives. Not because of their believes but personal stuff.
richard34735 2 years ago
fuck the kosher conservatives!!!
fuck America!!!
richard34735 2 years ago
" I wouldn't want to be in ANY club that would have me as a member." Groucho Marx And so it goes with one of the larger clubs. Christianity
grandysfunction 2 years ago 2
JOHN ADAMS:
It will never be pretended that any persons employed in [the formation of the American governments] had interviews with gods, or were in any degree under the influence of Heaven ... ; it will forever be acknowledged that these governments were contrived merely by the use of reason and the senses.
hoya03 2 years ago
man, i have to admit...i tend to think of myself as an intelligent person. but those guys, the founders, were so much smarter than we are. I honestly believe they were some of the best thinkers in human history...
EnhancementSmoker 2 years ago
@EnhancementSmoker : but they weren''t geniuses. they were just guys that got really lucky. they all had ulterior motives and were greedy and corrupt just like politicians today. watch the John Adams series. we shouldn't glorify them to much. they were very smart, and very lucky. but nothing to overly romanticize.
anearforbaby 1 year ago
i think they were geniuses. WE are lucky. Lucky to have a constitution...which theoretically means rule of law. Lucky to not have religion or any non-rational or supernatural belief imposed on us within our constitution.
you may not want to glorify them. but they were much more studied then we. they really understood the ideas of greece, rome, the enlightenment
nothing better in history comes to mind. greater might be created...but i think future free govs will be modeled after theirs
EnhancementSmoker 1 year ago
ive seen that series...
if anything it made me realize how fuckin stupid people like you and I are. those guys studied their asses off...any idea how painstaking that must have been back then???
they formed a fuckin country. it wasnt perfect. but id bet they would fuckin weep if they saw what it had become...
not because of politics
but because our citizens are fuckin dumbass ignorant assholes like you and me typing ridiculous comments on an idiotic website instead of learning to the max
EnhancementSmoker 1 year ago
sorry, im just drunk and high...
exactly as the founders intended...
EnhancementSmoker 1 year ago
haha it's alright man.
anearforbaby 1 year ago
THOMAS JEFFERSON:
"The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father, in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter."
hoya03 2 years ago 3
JAMES MADISON:
"During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What have been its fruits? More or less in all places, pride and indolence in the Clergy, ignorance and servility in the laity; in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution."
BEN FRANKLIN:
"I have found Christian dogma unintelligible. Early in life I absented myself from Christian assemblies."
hoya03 2 years ago
Rick Warren is saying that being totally devoted to Jesus Christ with everything you have, will change the world and help build the kingdom of God. That's all he's saying. The analogies used were to show what people can accomplish, good or evil, if theyre devoted. He asked the audience to be devoted whole heartedly to Jesus Christ. That's Gods will.
drumhyper2 2 years ago
DO NOT be fooled by Rick Warren's philosophies
Colossians 2:8 -
See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the basic principles of this world rather than on Christ
2 Timothy 4:3 -
For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.
konman001 2 years ago
Wow, Obama sure made a wrong choice asking this lunatic to speak at his inauguration. I bet he regrets it.
oneearth22222 2 years ago
Another in a long line of false prophets.
AntG72 2 years ago
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ggbjr3800 2 years ago
Yuck -- he wants to be Jesus' Hitler. What a maniac. People need to stop following and start thinking.
CharlieHipHop 2 years ago
He isn't saying to be Jesus' Hitler.....what he is saying is that if we, as Christians, would be as devoted and committed to Jesus as Nazis were to Hitler look at what we as Christians might be able to accomplish. If we are committed what could we do.
ggbjr3800 2 years ago
That's not any less scary. I don't want Christians taking over the world - the fact that it's a form of fascism you like doesn't mean it isn't fucking terrifying to the rest of us.
AngieAntiTheist 2 years ago
@CharlieHipHop Lol, initially misread what you typed and thought it said, "People need to stop following and start drinking". :p
Keruaran 1 year ago
omg!!! r. maddow has been blasting him!!
cjm608 2 years ago
Great Find. I was hoping someone would find what this man is really all about. He is a dangerous man.
And yet he has followers as devoted to him as those who were devoted to Hitler.
marciaj720 2 years ago 2
How can you derive such non-sense from what is in the video. Listen to it again with a righteous heart and a righteous mind and you will hear the message. Jesus said that even though they have ears they will not hear.
ggbjr3800 2 years ago
Rick Warren told his crowd that followers of Jesus should be as devoted as followers of 20th Century leaders of violent political movements that killed millions of people.
Why didn't Rick Warren hold up, as leaders for Christians to follow with dedication, Martin Luther King Jr., Andre Trocme, or Gandhi ? (note - the first two are Christians)
Followers of Hitler were dedicated enough to turn humans into lampshades and tallow. What does such dedication have to do with Christianity ?
bruceewilson 2 years ago 2
@bruceewilson Tallow is used in animal feed, to make soap, for cooking, and as a bird food. Verse 785 of skepticsannotatedbible com /cruelty/long.html says God "hates" his "dearly beloved" people and plans to feed them to the birds.
VCat2006 2 years ago
@bruceewilson Exactly.
Keruaran 1 year ago
A righteous heart .. or a Reich-eous heart?
Jesus also said the meek will inherit the earth.
postcardsky 2 years ago 3
OH NO HE DIDN'T!!!! That crazy hawiian shirt wearin' preacher told people to be committed to something! Who do he think he is?
Obviously I am being facetious because this video blows his words out of proportion.
smyers1987 2 years ago
It's easy to twist a message when you a 50 min message and summarize subjectively into 3 mins. This is a poor representation of any point this video was intending to make. Instead of shining the light on an "evil" rick warren you have only the shown your own preconceived bias which completely negates your position.
This is the same guy who paid back his entire salary he received from the church and who gave away more than half of the money he made from his books. Sounds pretty evil to me.
njarcen24 2 years ago
no, but what's pretty evil is his campaign in Uganda to KILL people and execute them for being gay....very reminiscent of adolf hitler, it terrifies me the ignorance in other people to even urge such a campaign for a genocide of certain groups, it terrifies me the overly "exalted" overly purists in any kind of way, that to be pure one must eliminate innocence along the way, a contradiction to its own conviction, and it sickens me of people defending such a man
cutefappy 2 years ago
First, I commented on the video not because I was defending Rick Warren as a person but that the person who posted the video attempted to twist a sermon maliciously to solidify their own position. I do not know Rick Warren personally, but it's frustrating to see the sermon cleverly edited to display something that wasnt said.
As far as Uganda, I looked up your accusation: It is false. Rick Warren made a statement on Dec. 10 speaking against the proposed legislation.
njarcen24 2 years ago
lol I don't suppose you expected him to openly admit about it did you now,he played it like a scumbag politician would as much as he is a pastor, campaign for something and once you realize the disapprove of many you detach yourself away from it and be "against" it. so its more or less a guy setting himself up to be a hero not for the goodwill of his pure compassion oh no, because rick warren wants everyone to see how saintly he is. there have been many recorded audios of his genocide campaign
cutefappy 2 years ago