Sam Seder Debates a Conservative Caller About Right-Wing Rhetoric

[jad3948]

why did you stop it at 6:14? :(

[GL0BEmaster]

Google search - fake-jared-loughner-facebook-p­rofiles-emerge-after-tucson-sh­ooting-tragedy

[jetsr]

How about this? Your both idiots! INDEPENDENT PARTY BABY

[itsadeadmansparty]

Trivium Quadrivium, Anybody with 2 brains cells know there is no such thing as Democracy, Left and Right are bought and paid for, The puppet master dictates what left/right says,

There is no difference between left or right, just a mind game to keep you busy

Voting rigth or left never solved anything, We must upgrade our present system because it is stagnant, it needs to be refreshed with more modern system,Our present system does not work.We teach war,crime,hate,greed, ALL Learned from society!

[lathouxaris]

@itsadeadmansparty If by "left" you mean the Democrats, then this is true. But the Democrats are centre-right at best. It is also true that change can not be voted in, it must be built from the "grass-roots."

[itsadeadmansparty]

@lathouxaris Yep you understand! hehe stupid idiot voters, think they actually change shit

How foolish

[JohananRaatz]

This is completely irrelevant as we now know that Jared Loughner was a LEFT-WING nut, not right-wing at all.

[scienceatheism]

No he wasnt. If anything, Im sad to say this because Im a Libertarian. He was more Libertarian then anything else. Hated the government, hated wars, hated the monetary policy, hated the fed and Is probably a huge Alex Jones lover seeing that Jared was obsessed with the Zietgist shit.

[scienceatheism]

Maybe you should tell me how to think then frank? or have the government do so? Freedom only given to you if society sees that you are ready for it. Individuality dead. Its what other people think of you that matters.

[franks2732]

@scienceatheism You are free to think how you like, you are just not free to do what you like. And if your side won lmfao (that's the .003% who agree with you). You would be using the will of the majority to force me to accept your laws and your values. What would happen is you would change the definition of force, and now those who object to you are "using force" and the "small government" you control (the men with guns) are reacting to force. Semantics' Right Wing Reactionary Semantics

[scienceatheism]

Oh ok. Well thanks dad for caring for all of us. Can I go to my room now or does that have to be voted on to?

[Activeassholeonpills]

The thing that had the most influence on my being a social democrat today is growing up under the right-wing's family ideal: Father being at the head of the household dictating everything without argument, all the while hiding behind extreme religion and using it as a justification for all his megalomania, narcissism, child abuse, cold detachment, and fake olive branches. I got out of that culture and I be damned if I'm gonna let the American Right force that on young people through the state!

[Activeassholeonpills]

@franks2732 I guess it's safe to assume that we've come to another conclusion about the Right. They just have to get the last word in! It doesn't matter if thy're wrong or not just so long as they get the last word in any argument!

Right Wing Reactionary matra: Last word or bust!!!!!

[scienceatheism]

Oh great come back. Should of added the LMFAO to keep the never ending joke that is your bullshit ideology. See I can call your Ideology bullshit to, its easy.

[JohananRaatz]

@scienceatheism Actually come to think of it, there is a sense in which we might both be right. I've actually begun to notice that the crazies on the right and the crazies on the left are looking more and more similar to each other these days. You've got Occupy protests attended by libertarians, and the Code Pinkos marching arm in arm with the Alex Jones people.

[scienceatheism]

Well that tends to happen when both sides agree on a certain subject.

[xexixk]

@JohananRaatz Loughner was/is mentally ill. I doubt he had any coherent political philosophy at all. On his web profiles all of of the books he listed as his favorites contridicted one another, coming from completely opposite camps. So you and all of the others trying to pin him as one side or the other should really stop. He was/is mentally ill, nothing more nothing less.

[GL0BEmaster]

@JohananRaatz It's not that Loughner was a left wing nut. He wasn't. It's just that people like you are so far to the right that in your eyes everyone else is a left wing nut. It is you who is the extremist.

[JohananRaatz]

@GL0BEmaster No, his facebook had Che and Mao on it as people who inspired him. That's where I got that idea from.

[GL0BEmaster]

@JohananRaatz I guess that makes you an even bigger moron then, as Jared Loughner did not have a Facebook page. What you are referring to has been widely debunked, on websites like FreeRepublic no less, as a fake website someone put up as soon as the shootings took place.

[JackGarcia1000]

sam seder is gay

[tonyg0123]

hypocrisy at its finest...never ceases to amaze me from the left. Liberals are anything but "tolerant" of others, especially people who don't share their own views.  What Sam is trying to justify is downright asinine.

[Activeassholeonpills]

@tonyg0123 Who the fuck are you kidding?! We're not the ones constantly spewing garbage about '2nd Amendment remedies!' Your side gives lip service to the idea of democracy until you lose an election. After that, it's all second amendment remedies. According to statistics gathered by the FBI, anti-govt militia groups saw an estimated 700% increase in membership within the first year following Obama's inauguration.

[tonyg0123]

@Activeassholeonpills I'll assume these posts r a joke? "garbage about 2nd Amendment"? Have u ever read the Constitution? Do you know what the words "shall not be infringed" mean? Lip service to "democracy"? You mean republic. We are not a democracy. "700% increase in anti-govt groups" haha...as a former Marine with several deployments to Iraq, everything you wrote was complete B.S....just stop.  This is what happens when you allow the media to control you...liberalism is a mental disorder

[Activeassholeonpills]

@tonyg0123 As for your information, I have read the constitution. My bachelor's degree is Pre-Law. It's required study. As for this being a republic, I am well aware that most of the founders did not look kindly upon democracy. These were wealthy, slave-owning white males some of whom talked a good game when it came to power for the people but were very much willing to limit the franchise to people like them.

[Activeassholeonpills]

"as a former Marine with several deployments" That's telling for a number of reasons. One: Churches with Right-leaning theologies have worked diligently over the past 50 years to take over the military chaplins. One of their greatest successes was the takeover and inoculation of the U.S. Marines with their theology. Second: General Butler was a former U.S. Marine general who was pegged by the conspirators of the FDR overthrow plot to preside over the newly installed junta dictatorship.

[Activeassholeonpills]

@tonyg0123 'liberalism is a mental disorder.'

That's right, I do have a mental disorder but not because of my choice of political philosophy. I got my mental disorder the same way my brother got a mental disorder: serving in the armed forces. It happens sometimes. My brother served in the Marines and I served as a cryptologic technician for 4 years in the U.S Navy.

[tonyg0123]

@Activeassholeonpills ...cont...where do you make this shit up? where do you get all this misinformation from? Too much Rachel Maddow? As much as I despised Bush, that Bush comment hit a new level of stupidity. That is why I say "liberalism is a mental disorder". Ever liberal I know is on some kind of medication (usually anti-depressants) and a concoction of other drugs that affects their way of thinking...and, so you were a POG and had a civilian job in the military...urgo fuck off!

[Activeassholeonpills]

@tonyg0123 Hi! I'm back to argue some more with the trolls!

"That is why I say "liberalism is a mental disorder". Ever liberal I know is on some kind of medication (usually anti-depressants)"

And yet for some odd reason, a ten-year Harvard Study found that conservatives had the highest of occurance of paranoid schizophrenia of any political identifier. Imagine that....

[Activeassholeonpills]

@tonyg0123 I also happen to have a minor in English. If you're going to argue, at least use proper grammar.

[Activeassholeonpills]

You might be a Marine but your paycheck will always say 'Department of the Navy.'

How does it feel to be burned so maliciously? Was it good for you?

[Activeassholeonpills]

Urgo, fuck you!

[Activeassholeonpills]

May I also add that during the Bush years, GW's administration worked diligently to ensure that new military bases would be built more predominantly in the South for the sake of further increasing the monopolization of Right-Wing control over the branches of the service by concentrating the number of conservative political identifiers in the service.

[Activeassholeonpills]

@tonyg0123 The real difference between our two sides is that people on the left aren't conducting organized violence and using the state of the economy to recruit ex-military peeps into domestic terrorist groups like Huteree or the Oath Keepers. We on the left don't post the addresses of people we disagree with on our blogs in the hope that some person or persons will take the 'wink-wink' 'nudge-nudge' and kill the loyal opposition.

[Activeassholeonpills]

@tonyg0123 And lastly, unlike your side we don't have a historical example in which we tried to overthrow the U.S. Govt. The American Right however had a well-funded conspiracy on their side to utilize a paramilitary mass political machine to install a military junta dictatorship in the US. Do some research on the plot to overthrow FDR by J. P. Morgan, Goldman Sachs, and Goodyear Tires. Many of the people involved then joined the Rightist militia groups like the John Birch Society after WW2.

[tonyg0123]

@Activeassholeonpills ..cont.."overthrow the U.S. government" like that left wing communist group Weather Underground? U mean them? Or the left wingers who assasinated previous presidents? U mean books like "rules for radicals" that explain how to use force to establish a communist dictatorship?...and btw J.P. Morgan, Goldman Sachs are two of Obama's leading campaign contributors. U know those "evil greedy" bankers u liberals love to hate..ya, your president is accepting money from them.

[Activeassholeonpills]

@tonyg0123 Again what part of 'well-funded conspiracy' did you not get? Weather Underground doesn't even hold a candle to the well-funded efforts of the three corporations I mentioned. I'm well aware that Barack Obama has accepted money from the powers- that- be. The only difference is that I will acknowledge it and rightfully be appalled at it as opposed to trying to sugercoat it and even go as far as to justify it.

[tonyg0123]

@Activeassholeonpills so u are using a bunch of conspiracies theories to try and prove a point...that's excellent. As someone with a degree in pre law, you should know you have to present facts to have an argument. Going off of that notion, why don't you research the term "subversion". It's a Russian psychological warfare tactic used to bring down capitalism through the well funded leftist media. ie George Soros types...off the record, you do realize conservatives outnumber libs over 2:1?

[Activeassholeonpills]

@tonyg0123 'you do realize conservatives outnumber libs over 2:1?'

There are over 70 million Democrats in this country. There are only about 60 million GOPers. Conservatives tend to live in small population states like Alabama and Wyoming with Texas and Georgia being exceptions to this trend.

[Activeassholeonpills]

@tonyg0123 Furthermore, many people only call themselves conservatives because of the negative connotations conservatives have attached to the word liberal over the past 50 years through push polling and negative marketing. Conservatives are fond of saying that polls don't mean shit so why are you using them now that it's convenient?

[AroundSun]

Sam Seeder couldn't debate his way out of a paper bag

[Activeassholeonpills]

@AroundSun Stuttering isn't a sign of weak debating skills. Not doing your research beforehand is though.

[RunningSwimmingMan]

"Bullets, not Ballots" Classic.....

[ShatterNWO]

There are fema camps, HR 645 authorizes them. Of course the gov't has "emergency centers."

[comfortat]

Absolutely there are times for violent insurrection. We are not at that point. The scare tactics on both sides are poisoning the waters of compromise.

[rkier2342]

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[210daved1]

each party had crazies but its who gets these crazies so fired up that they act on the repeated talking points, like "tiller the baby killer" and "they are going to take our guns so lock and load"etc..

[alicevana]

And I love when someone on the right calls Obama a facsist because of the irony of a fascist being an individual on the extreme right

[Andsormida01]

@alicevana The whole rhetoric of individual freedom and personal responsability is entirely in sync with fascism *rolls eyes*

[alicevana]

@Andsormida01 I don't know what you are getting at 

[Andsormida01]

@alicevana One of most important aspects of fascism is the sacrifice of the individual- their rights, livelihood and independence for the survival and well-being of the state. If you lok at this from purely ideology based angle than conservatives in America are not for this as they preach individual independence from the state and the pursuit of self-interests. 

[alicevana]

@Andsormida01 that sounds more like communism to me, but when it comes to Obama, those on the right seems to call him communist and fascists at the same time...two ideas that oppose each other. Though, plenty on the right seem to think that the government should make decisions for people (abortions or gay marriage, who shoud/should not be able to build a religious building with their own money). Don't think Obama is against self interest...is just painted that way by the right

[Andsormida01]

@alicevana Communism is self sacrifice for the people- huge difference. I don't see to many people calling aOBAMA a fascist but mostly a socialist with a bit of communist thrwon in. No, I agree with you, too many conservatives are inconsistent with their defense of freedom and decentralized government especially on issues such as the ground zero mosque or gay marriage as well as drugs. Simply- fascism has very little to do withe the American right apart from nationalism. Obama's for a mixed econ

[alicevana]

@Andsormida01 Yea, but if I had a dime for all the times I heard the right call Obama Hitler like, I could pay off America's debt, and Hitler was a fascist. I guess I am talking hyperbolically....saying it's funny to hear those call Obama names like that (over the top), but you can apply those extreme titles to others as well...I think an extreme conservative is closer to fascist then an extreme liberal, so why not talk about them the way they talk about others...

[Andsormida01]

@alicevana Not an extreme American paleo-conservative. The same thing was being said with Bush dude, but now even thogh Obama is just as bad as Bush, it's suddenly insensitive and wrong to call your president Hitler? Where were you when the liberal pundits like Maher and Olebrmann were referring to Bush as a Nazi and a war crominal?

[alicevana]

@Andsormida01 Why are you assuming I am okay with people calling Bush that....I don't think you should call your president that. So, if you are asking where I was at, I can't tell you it wasn't in support of people calling him that. It's wrong for Bush to be called that, it's wrong for Obama to be called that. You are assuming alot....my attack was more on the extreme limbaugh crowd, It isn't an issue of insentitive, it's calling a president one of the most evil men in history

[Andsormida01]

@alicevana And my attack was on the hypocritical left (not you) who piss their pants at conservatives calling Obama Stalin or Hitler yet participated in the calls that Bush is a fascist.

[alicevana]

@Andsormida01 Well, you wrote "where was you." You have extremes on both sides (though Obama was the first to have his nationality challenged I think). But you also have plenty of liberals and conservatives who think both sides are going to far. I think criticizing the extremes on both sides is okay...and guarentee that you probably won't make a dent in their mentality about the other side though. I thought Bush was a bad president, but not Hitler...

[Activeassholeonpills]

@alicevana Exactly! I might have had a deep distaste for Bush but I at least recognized him as the loyal opposition.

[Activeassholeonpills]

@Andsormida01 Augusto Pinochet used the same rhetoric of individual liberty and personal responsibility and he headed a fascist govt that presided over the most comprehensive concentration camp system since WW2. He was also the man credited with the development of the 'ownership society' concept, the same one put forward by GWB in 2005. Pino pushed the idea that property ownership and freedom were interconnected with one another all the while killing tens of thousands of Chileans.

[Andsormida01]

@Activeassholeonpills Indeed, because the American right wing is completely subverting the people while in reality putting them in concentration camps, killing their freedoms etc. Completely in hand. A vast number of conservatives preach exactly their rhetoric, plausible elections, democracy, the right for people like you to march in the street calling Bush hitler then later on complain that it's out of line to call the president Hitler and a fascist. Pinochet was a political/economic centrist./

[JohananRaatz]

@Activeassholeonpills "Pino pushed the idea that property ownership and freedom were interconnected with one another all the while killing tens of thousands of Chileans."

You forgot the part about those particular Chileans also happening to be Marxist terrorists who wanted to overthrow the government. If they had succeeded there would have indeed been no individual liberty or property ownership. To protect people's rights, you sometimes need dead commies.

[Activeassholeonpills]

@JohananRaatz That's bullshit and you know it! Most of the people Pinochet killed were academics, preachers, students, and union leaders whose only crime happened to be being in the loyal opposition. People claimed that if Pinochet didn't overthrow Allende, that there would be state sponsored torture and oppression, and what did Pinochet do after he overthrew President Allende? He instituted state sponsored torture and oppression!

[JohananRaatz]

@Activeassholeonpills Ok, so you tell me. How would you have removed Allende and protected the private property rights of American corporations in Chile?

[Activeassholeonpills]

@JohananRaatz I wouldn't have removed him at all. He was elected with a plurality of the vote in a three way race.

Second, your comment reeks of Cato Institute inspired framing. Though the right to own property is important, there are many human rights other than just private property rights. And may I also add that all other human rights don't necessarily stem from private property rights.

Ask me a question that isn't framed with a Rightist/Libertarian narrative and maybe I'll answer it!

[Activeassholeonpills]

@JohananRaatz What I'm saying is, if property is really all that matters to you than you are no better than the people who installed Pinochet. Property at the expense of all other First and Second Generation Human Rights is a hallow ideal that leads to a landed aristocracy.

[xexixk]

@JohananRaatz Great so you are arguing that it's ok to subvert elected governments if they do anything that isn't in the interest of a US corporation. A US corporation operating in a foreign country is under the jurisdiction of the laws of that country. Pinochet tortured and murderd unknown thousands to keep power, of course you dehumanize all of them and insist they needed to be killed (as does every homicidial tyrannt). You are apparently an imperialist.

[alicevana]

If the left had the kind of crazies that the right has, I honestly don't think I could vote for any of them. I cannot imagine being in a party ran by people like fat limbaugh or Glenda Beck. I know every party has their crazy people, but only one is ran by the crazies in their party or has so many crazies and that is the republicans.

[Activeassholeonpills]

@alicevana Thank you! Only crazy people like those found on the American Right could go the distance to talk sweet nothings about a monster like Augusto Pinochet. Why do they do it? Because Pinochet was their mistake and they're too chickenshit to own up to it!

[xexixk]

@Activeassholeonpills Most of the "mainstream" public figures from the right in the US seem to have distanced themselves from Pinochet, seeming to forget how he got into power in the first place. However, a few years before his death when he was arrested in London and facing possible extradiction to Spain for the murder of Spanish nationals in Chile, Margaret Thatcher visited him and lavished praise on him. It was quite disgusting.

[Activeassholeonpills]

@xexixk Add to all the counts of state sponsored kidnappings, disappearances, concentration camp indoctrination, torture, and murder the fact that Augusto Pinochet embezzled $21 million for himself and his closest friends. Looking at all this, I can see now why the Right loves him so much. Their matra should be 'Human rights abuses are bad only when leftists do them!'

[xexixk]

@Activeassholeonpills Yes that's true when it's a right wing tyrannt they either deny it, ingore it, excuse it or spin it to make seem like they weren't right wing at all. This JohanaRaatz guy actually defended the murders of the Pinochet regime in one of his previous comments. So I guess he thinks those who are ideologically opposed to him are lesser humans and deserving of torture and murder. A would be tyrannt in the making.

[grantsinmypants2]

Why doesnt the left argue that there needs to be violence? They dont need to. They have the power. You can find wimpy little examples of corporate-sponsored state terror all day long (shutting down sites with links to other sites with bootlegged games), but while that childs play is going on mammoth liberal-sponsored state violence is all around us

Don't believe me? Stop contributing to SS, hire someone off the books, or if you live in a small town, try to buy milk straight from the teet

[shroomduke]

Reps have lost all credibility and are desprate to take it back

cons / reps have no credibility in my book and most likely never will again... I am still waiting for the WMDs, Osama, end to Oil Wars, end of failed policies (war on drugs, terror, tough on crime, NCLB, Corporate Welfare, Outsourcing, etc etc...)

When conservatives take responsiblity for their lies, deception, and FAILURES I will consider giving them a little credit... don't hold your breath!

[obamaisfromkenya]

The conservative caller won that debate.. Sam is such an idiot, trying to project and defend the "left." What American left? The American left supports a fascist, they're not left.

[ToTheConquered]

@obamaisfromkenya Democrats support Obama. Liberals and progressives do not.

[ptbwf]

@ToTheConquered

the fact that you whackos call yourselves 'Progressives' is proof of your unbalanced nature.

[ToTheConquered]

@ptbwf "you wackos"? Who is that exactly?

[ptbwf]

@ToTheConquered

"progressives"

[ToTheConquered]

@ptbwf So, you're calling me a progressive even though you know none of my political stances? Seems a bit arrogant doesn't it? I call myself a classic liberal, not a progressive. I'm too much of a nationalist to call myself a progressive. I agree more with Voltaire than any modern liberal. If you don't agree with me, that's fine, but don't try to base an argument against me based upon a political affiliation I don't have.

[ptbwf]

@ToTheConquered

I apologize if I categorized you wrongly, your post's structure lead me to believe you were a "progressive".

[ToTheConquered]

@ptbwf It's quite alright. Your assumption wasn't far-fetched or anything.

[dudev]

@obamaisfromkenya

What fascism have you experienced, you whining baby?

[kortteli]

Just abit annoying how cutting was done on this video, it didnt start at the beginning and ended in a middle of a sentence. Good interview otherwise.

[MrOttopants]

Thanks Sam. I think what the right has to determine about the left is whether we on the left are wimpy and weak pacifists and peace mongers, or whether we are violent criminals who seek to inflict physcial punishment on right wingers.

So what is it? Are we weak? Or are we so strong that you should tremble in fear?!

[Remus0387]

No the false equivalency game is being played quite forcefully even self avowed moderates like Alan Nathan want to draw a line in the sand and call it even, well it's not, pity there are no great independent politicans in the u.s or entertaining like Bob Katter, long winded and highlander fans, Rob Oakeshott or whistleblowers Andrew Wilkie would make things quite different.

[Remus0387]

Now that would be equal and equally reprehensible but know it's very tepid and not at all like what is said on the other side. Anyway arent the left limp wristed, latte drinking, cardigan wearing, bleeding heart, hollywood atheists who are anti american, how could they possible be violent, they're weak so how could they spew violent rhetoric, except for the commies, black panthers and union bosses not to mention the jedi.

[Remus0387]

Once again the rhetoric on both left and right is disproportionate, gun to a knife fight is the worst i've heard. If the left really wanted to be violent they could advocate a hail of bullets at the RNC, strangle Rush Limbaugh like Jabba the Hutt, make sure Glenn has written on his last chalk board, snuff out those bitches Sarah Palin, Michelle Bachmann, Michelle Malkin, Laura Ingraham etc or let us cleanse this country of the conservative plague once and for all my liberal brothers and sisters.

[TimWicked]

I just heard someone on Rush saying that they feel hurt everytime people refer to the tea party as "tea Baggers" and Rush was so quick to agree with the caller about how liberals are such name callers.

Um... Hello, doesn't rush have a monopoly on name calling like "Feminazzi", "chicom" and "The Anointed One" to name a few?

The guy can't say more than two sentenances without changing his voice or demeaning some group in some way!

Right winged radia is totally F'd up in every direction.

[ivyshoots]

The caller seems pretty moderate in his beliefs, but he does LIE like a right-winger: his info on Bradley Crowder is WRONG: he never planned to set off any "bomb" in the RNC; he was caught with some Molotov cocktails (making them was likely encouraged by an FBI agent who infiltrated the protest group) which were intended to be thrown into a police car PARKING LOT - not to harm any people. Lying just shows the story isn't juicy enough on its own. There is no equivalent violence on the Left.

[jonz23m]

this is such a stupid argument..who even knows if this dude was even watching tv.As if we all knew that this crazy person was peaceloving before and his views had been completely shaped by tv and radio. Anything could b a trigger for a mental disturbed person so these assumptions sam makes are pointless..Did anybody specifically tell mark david chapman to kill john lennon?Complaining about the political rhethoric is one thing but actin as if u kno what triggered this guy to do this is ridiculous

[getplaning]

One really has to admire the way the conservative propaganda network distributes its talking points. On every forum, they are posting the same five talking points.

[ptbwf]

@getplaning

the sad thing is that the left doesn't even have ONE talking point, you only have a strawman that is artificially extended to nth degrees because of the preconceived notion that what you are doing is 'progressive' and therefore right, according to human evolution.

[getplaning]

@ptbwf You make a good point about the left not having talking points, because they come to the debate armed with facts, not slogans. The standard tactic of the right is to call those facts "strawman" and try to dismiss them. It's the best strategy when you can't dispute the facts with facts of your own.

[ptbwf]

The left is entirely comprised of people who have no real beliefs or any facts to back what their supposed beliefs are(just like this loser who couldn't defend Obama's words).

Your side is comprised of the lowest of low being told what to do by a few rare academic professionals, that is the overwhelming majority of the left.

The only stupid people on the right are those who are opportunists or those who are simply reactionaries to what is called "progress"and don't do their own research.

[getplaning]

@ptbwf I guess that's why half of the entire AM radio band is conservative radio and Fox News is so popular.

You know, because the left has no beliefs and needs to be told what to think.

I swear, you people have projection down to an instinct.

[ptbwf]

@getplaning

and most of television is NBC propaganda...so what?

Leftists are mostly into blog talk radio anyway.

Years ago the left could give less of a rats ass about homosexuals, but because of academia and the media telling leftists that being for gay marriage is part of the litmus test you must take to be a liberal, now everyone on the left is for gay marriage.

The right doesn't adopt new ideals, they just lose old ones because they were afraid to speak up.

[franks2732]

@getplaning Ever debated a "Right Wing Reactionary" from the USA (they call themselves libertarian) it's exactly what they do

[Activeassholeonpills]

@franks2732 Hey Frank! Been trying to get other people to start referring to these pukes as Right Wing Reactionaries. Haven't been seeing much success thus far but I'll keep trying.

[franks2732]

@Activeassholeonpills it's OK I honestly think it will take a while. It is about ownage. It is about holding these shills to account. In reality it is not about what they wish to label themselves, but what we wish to label them. You got to remember they have been going around and calling themselves something for 40 years. You cannot change the perception they created overnight. So it's one person at a time. And time is something all of us have heaps of

[Cerberus5159]

Great job, Sam. You completely PWNED that guy.

[beatleapostle]

Great interview!

[JInks232]

Obama, who cave to the republicans over and over again is somehow a ruthless fighter against conservatives? PLEASE .. Give me a break> When Obama was spewing those "violence" riddled phrases, itwas a bit like hearing threats coming from Erkle. I think he had his own base in mind when he said those things. Conservatives, sit back and relax. The democratic party is doing a fine job self destructing. Why are you trying to get in the way?

[MaryJesusJoseph]

The RNC "bombing plot" was one 22 year old man in Michigan who wanted to thow a molotov cocktail--told an FBI informant he wanted to and was caught. Big plot. One guy--and he was stopped. It's just more bullshit to try to draw an equivalency on this.

[Cerberus5159]

@MaryJesusJoseph That's not even in the same league as the stuff the right's rhetoric has caused. It was stupid of this guy to use that as an example.

[MaryJesusJoseph]

@Cerberus5159 The right is reaching for any kitchen scraps it can get. They're also talking about a guy who tried to get to Eric Cantor--who I think was mad at Cantor because he wasn't conservative enough.

[Cerberus5159]

@MaryJesusJoseph Yeah, he was a Neo-nazi anti semite. Not really the cause of the myth of violent left wing rhetoric.

[zaggers77]

Seder=so much win.

[NCAJAX]

Kind of like when no weapons of mass destruction were to be found in Iraq bush move right on to well, Sudam was a evil dictator, and thats the main point. Now that it would seem the Az shooter has no right wing political affiliations or even interests Sam has moved the talking points along to: even if this kid never listened to a word the tea party or Palin ever said their rhetoric is still evil and that's the main point. Sam has learned more than he thought from Bush

[starkweather444]

The way the right has reacted to this proves that they know they were in the wrong. Innocent people don't scrub the internet of their crimes, innocent people when they heard the news didn't immediately go out and try to find instances where the left talked about violence. The right in this country is controlled by mentally unbalanced paranoids who hate the government and most of the people in it who don't think exactly them they do. They should leave our country now.

[NCAJAX]

@starkweather444 How long after the shootings did it take for the liberal media to blame this on conservatives, How fucking long, 10 seconds. When someone lies about you you step up to the plate and tell them to shut the fuck up. Now as facts from this kids friends and family come out it would seem the liberals accusations were based in ignorance. You liberals are so bummed out the shooter had zero ties or interest in the tea party. It exposes you as full of shit finger pointers

[ToTheConquered]

@NCAJAX You have a legitimate point IF you an answer yes to the following question.

If you hear on the news tomorrow that a republican congressman is shot in the head, would your first assume that it was probably carried out by a liberal, progressive, or democrat?

[NCAJAX]

@ToTheConquered Assigning labels to people thru assumptions is what liberals do. that is why you are so often wrong

[ToTheConquered]

@NCAJAX "that is why you are so often wrong"

Excuse me? Please refresh my memory on this long relationship we have together. You know nothing substancial about me so don't pretend to. Statements like that make you look like a fool.

Now, back to my question. Care to answer? It's quite telling of someone when you ask a question and they obviously try to avoid it for fear of their own reflection.

[NCAJAX]

@ToTheConquered I answered your question, none of the above

[ToTheConquered]

@NCAJAX I wasn't asking you to pick between one of them. I was asking whether you'd assume that any of them would be responsible. That's why I preluded the question by asking you to answer "yes." Try reading what I said again and continue.

[ToTheConquered]

@NCAJAX You must be hard-wired differently than me. When I hear that a politician is shot, I think it's probably political. When I think it's political, I think it's probably going to come from the opposition. Is that reasoning immoral to you or ineffective? I'm having a hard time understanding why connecting those dots is all of a sudden so taboo. I certainly never said that a republican did it, but I won't lie that my first instinct was that.

[NCAJAX]

@ToTheConquered To be honest if a republican elected official was shot or assassinated my first assumption would be it was some right wing nut job who felt the elected official was not acting conservative enough for their liking. An assumption is what you make without all the facts. People in the media who should know better are drawing conclusions. The same media outlets who scold others for bias. This has been ANOTHER eye opener to how full of shit our media is

[ToTheConquered]

@NCAJAX I'm in no way defending the media in whole, but I honestly don't recall any premature conclusions drawn from the media. I do recall speculation. Isn't that just the way the human brain works? We start with the most logical answer first, check it, then continue from there.

If you want the media to only report on issues when they have all the facts, then you shouldn't count on the media reporting anything. It's their job to report speculation and correct themselves when they're wrong.

[7Millersshadow]

@starkweather444 Excellent point. "The woman doth protest too much".

[tannersanta]

Way to go Sam!

[Strutinan]

"Yes, true story" about the 2008 RNC being bombed?! I gotta call BULLSHIT on this one, since if it DID happen there would STILL be ranting neotards on Fux screaming about it, let alone CNN and all the other corporate mouthpieces.

Sounds to me like ANOTHER O'Liely "the left is just as bad"-job, or maybe some hot air from Limpballs.

And yes, I am addressing those asshats with all the respect they deserve...none at all.

[golden454]

@deathsminion25 Where did you find info on it? Thank you! I am a new subscriber, awesome conversation Sam. Rhetoric with intent and context it is all important and needs to be recognized.