Lotfi is a great musician and living legend, the only thing I don't like about him is when he started singing and even though he's certainly a top-notch Tar player, he's a VERY MEDIOCRE singer. He has a rough singing voice, he lost a lot of fans that way. But it has NOTHING to do with politics.
more than Shajarian or Nazeri???? I doubt it. Lotfi's biggest talent is Tar. His second is setar. But his singing is nowhere near as good as his instrumentals. It's that dervish style of singing which doesn't take a huge amount of talent but lots of training. But Shajarian and even Nazeri have much better voice. My main point was Lotfi is not some political "traitor", he's just a VERY talented musician who did what it took to survive some VERY turbulent times in Iran.
@susumu07 I'm not a fan of Shajarin at all I'm afraid, however a big fan of Nazeri. What appeals to me most about Lotfi is the quality of his voice (deep, unlike both Shajarian and Nazeri) and as you said the Darvish style of singing, which sounds very natural and heartfelt. Also I don’t know about the “political traitor” side of things and couldn’t care less to be honest.
Don't diss Lotfi, he is NOT motreb. He was never Tudeie either.
And back during Shah times, you HAD to act like a "shahi" if you wanted radio stations to play your music and if you wanted to even stay in business.
Shajarian also had to do this, but in the revolution he showed his true resentment of the shah, but then he got disillusioned with the IR as well, so that now he doesn't even want them playing his music.
People who don't understand history like to imagine that everyone's a traitor.
as only a beginner on the setar, i loved the nature of this song you created - its simple but also deep, you dont need to put all your virtuosity into a piece to make it sound good..
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With all due respect this is a very primitive and non-professional performance. This work should not have been presented (and praised) as an artistic piece.
Also the person who mentioned Ostad Lotfi's name must understand who he is talking about. Please educate yourself before posting such an insulting comment.
Quantum, Your an asshole. This is art, A childs first painting is art, it may not be the best, But it is art. You words are nothing but shit. Good day.
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Your impolite and insulting response is a good indication of your low self-esteem, negative personality, and lack of knowledge of music and arts, and therefore I wont bother to respond in details to your nonsense. Just enough to mention that a child's first painting is art but not a work to be presented in any given media. Also you should seriously consider improving your weak English before posting on public places.
It's true. Do you think Ostad Lotfi started incredibly? of course not! but no matter how much you can play, there is always a beginning, and you must perform and present your work to get better. I am a violinist, trombonist, and musician. It is a hobby of mine and i know for a fact that there is a place where you start, and it does not sound good.
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I guess you are missing the point I tried to raise in my post. The point is not making a judgment call regarding this work, which is indeed a primitive and non-professional one. The point is that this work is not appropriate to be presented as a professional work in this medium. This is not the place to start. Aren't you surprised that some people here have praised such works as masterpieces? This shows that the unaware audience can be misled by being exposed to such non-professional works.
Art is created to provide aesthetic appeal to its audience. It is evident that this song provokes the listener's senses.
A work of art must not be judged based on its complexity, but rather its appeal/meaning. Often, the simplest songs are the most elegant and appealing because they allow the musician to present his feelings in a direct manner.
Complex songs often pollute this medium of expression.
Therefore, it is important to not judge a work of art ....
It's true. Do you think Ostad Lotfi started incredibly? of course not! but no matter how much you can play, there is always a beginning, and you must perform and present your work to get better. I am a violinist, trombonist, and musician. It is a hobby of mine and i know for a fact that there is a place where you start, and it does not sound good.
I would have to agree with Quantum 19. This is indeed primitive.
Saternolia should define "Art". Art is generally understood to denote "skills used to produce an aesthetic result". The Relativist might argue that this piece is in fact aesthetic! However, there is no doubt that the skill level is primitive.
and if music is now being judged on the skill of the player and not the music that they make and the final result then i can definatly say that the beauty of music and its impact on people is truely dead
You are judging a man's musical talent via his personality?! Even if your judgment is not flawed, Lotfi is one of the contemporary masters of tar and setar. Comparing him to Peyman (the creator of this video) is simply nonsensical.
hi ! I beleive Lotfi is a degraded corrupt tar player, he has been made famous because the previous regime gave him so much opportunity without deserving it. he was first pro Shahi after revolution he became a Tudeie and in LA he changed into a dervish.and now he is stunt supporter of this inhuman regime of the mollahs. he is playing for khamenei while he smokes opium. so in this respect he is a motreb! musicians should be committed to their people and echo their cry.
With all due respect, it sounds like a novice playing a few cliche (tekrary) melodies.
goodcyrus 6 months ago
به به
sam683or 1 year ago
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kourosh3700 2 years ago
Lotfi is a great musician and living legend, the only thing I don't like about him is when he started singing and even though he's certainly a top-notch Tar player, he's a VERY MEDIOCRE singer. He has a rough singing voice, he lost a lot of fans that way. But it has NOTHING to do with politics.
susumu07 2 years ago
@susumu07 I would have to disagree; his voice is very powerful and captivating.
InnerflamesUnLtd 1 year ago
@InnerflamesUnLtd
more than Shajarian or Nazeri???? I doubt it. Lotfi's biggest talent is Tar. His second is setar. But his singing is nowhere near as good as his instrumentals. It's that dervish style of singing which doesn't take a huge amount of talent but lots of training. But Shajarian and even Nazeri have much better voice. My main point was Lotfi is not some political "traitor", he's just a VERY talented musician who did what it took to survive some VERY turbulent times in Iran.
susumu07 1 year ago
@susumu07 I'm not a fan of Shajarin at all I'm afraid, however a big fan of Nazeri. What appeals to me most about Lotfi is the quality of his voice (deep, unlike both Shajarian and Nazeri) and as you said the Darvish style of singing, which sounds very natural and heartfelt. Also I don’t know about the “political traitor” side of things and couldn’t care less to be honest.
InnerflamesUnLtd 1 year ago
Don't diss Lotfi, he is NOT motreb. He was never Tudeie either.
And back during Shah times, you HAD to act like a "shahi" if you wanted radio stations to play your music and if you wanted to even stay in business.
Shajarian also had to do this, but in the revolution he showed his true resentment of the shah, but then he got disillusioned with the IR as well, so that now he doesn't even want them playing his music.
People who don't understand history like to imagine that everyone's a traitor.
susumu07 2 years ago
WOW.
That was pretty good.
I'd love to learn setar. How much is a decent one?
hailmetal16 3 years ago
as only a beginner on the setar, i loved the nature of this song you created - its simple but also deep, you dont need to put all your virtuosity into a piece to make it sound good..
merci - daste shoma dard nakone
6tin6gle6 3 years ago
thanks for posting the video
axm078100 3 years ago
good work my friend, keep on working and don't listen to "nobodies".
lbawinapo 4 years ago
Eine wunderbare melodi ,gut gespielt.
Danke !
4film999 4 years ago
you should pay some respect before you rip-off another countries music
erdemozdemir 4 years ago
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With all due respect this is a very primitive and non-professional performance. This work should not have been presented (and praised) as an artistic piece.
Also the person who mentioned Ostad Lotfi's name must understand who he is talking about. Please educate yourself before posting such an insulting comment.
Quantum19 4 years ago
Quantum, Your an asshole. This is art, A childs first painting is art, it may not be the best, But it is art. You words are nothing but shit. Good day.
saternolia 4 years ago
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Your impolite and insulting response is a good indication of your low self-esteem, negative personality, and lack of knowledge of music and arts, and therefore I wont bother to respond in details to your nonsense. Just enough to mention that a child's first painting is art but not a work to be presented in any given media. Also you should seriously consider improving your weak English before posting on public places.
Quantum19 4 years ago
It's true. Do you think Ostad Lotfi started incredibly? of course not! but no matter how much you can play, there is always a beginning, and you must perform and present your work to get better. I am a violinist, trombonist, and musician. It is a hobby of mine and i know for a fact that there is a place where you start, and it does not sound good.
TheActualBij 4 years ago
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I guess you are missing the point I tried to raise in my post. The point is not making a judgment call regarding this work, which is indeed a primitive and non-professional one. The point is that this work is not appropriate to be presented as a professional work in this medium. This is not the place to start. Aren't you surprised that some people here have praised such works as masterpieces? This shows that the unaware audience can be misled by being exposed to such non-professional works.
Quantum19 4 years ago
I have to agree with TheActualBij.
Art is created to provide aesthetic appeal to its audience. It is evident that this song provokes the listener's senses.
A work of art must not be judged based on its complexity, but rather its appeal/meaning. Often, the simplest songs are the most elegant and appealing because they allow the musician to present his feelings in a direct manner.
Complex songs often pollute this medium of expression.
Therefore, it is important to not judge a work of art ....
Hoomanmohammadi76 2 years ago
... based on its complexity, but rather based on the emotional effect that it has on you.
Calling this song 'primitive' is certainly a poor choice of words.
Hoomanmohammadi76 2 years ago
It's true. Do you think Ostad Lotfi started incredibly? of course not! but no matter how much you can play, there is always a beginning, and you must perform and present your work to get better. I am a violinist, trombonist, and musician. It is a hobby of mine and i know for a fact that there is a place where you start, and it does not sound good.
TheActualBij 4 years ago
I would have to agree with Quantum 19. This is indeed primitive.
Saternolia should define "Art". Art is generally understood to denote "skills used to produce an aesthetic result". The Relativist might argue that this piece is in fact aesthetic! However, there is no doubt that the skill level is primitive.
razOniaz 3 years ago
and if music is now being judged on the skill of the player and not the music that they make and the final result then i can definatly say that the beauty of music and its impact on people is truely dead
thewikerman 3 years ago
Dear Friend you play 100 times better than charlatans like Mohammad LOTFI who is a torturer in music!
sohaihstar 4 years ago
Friend,
You are judging a man's musical talent via his personality?! Even if your judgment is not flawed, Lotfi is one of the contemporary masters of tar and setar. Comparing him to Peyman (the creator of this video) is simply nonsensical.
razOniaz 3 years ago
hi ! I beleive Lotfi is a degraded corrupt tar player, he has been made famous because the previous regime gave him so much opportunity without deserving it. he was first pro Shahi after revolution he became a Tudeie and in LA he changed into a dervish.and now he is stunt supporter of this inhuman regime of the mollahs. he is playing for khamenei while he smokes opium. so in this respect he is a motreb! musicians should be committed to their people and echo their cry.
sohaihstar 2 years ago
I liked it :)
narcissashr 4 years ago
give me some tips plz asap im doing a prodgect on the setar in music.
cajoby 4 years ago
It's lovely..
Afarin!
Ayleriyn 4 years ago
practice makes perfect . thx
filsoofimusic 4 years ago
very nice were can you get one and how much are they.
TacoMan1220 4 years ago
well done.nice rhythm.I really enjoyed it. pure and simple.
aradroxar 4 years ago
I love the tune .... I'm not a huge fan of setar but I adore this rhythm. Please post more!
Hoomanmohammadi76 4 years ago
beautifull ornementations
ploukkk 4 years ago
kheili ghashang bood,
dastetoon dard nakone.
baazam bezaarin.
mohammadh 5 years ago
kheili ghashang bood,
dastetoon dard nakone.
baazam bezaarin.
mohammadh 5 years ago
nice piece, can we have a video? :)
supasoul20 5 years ago
A beautiful instrument and you have a lovely touch on it.
Thanks for sharing this.
emilysong 5 years ago