Dumbasses listen and stop pigeonholing, This shit stands on its own, listen dumbfucks listen... these old fucks have a very poignant point! hope it doesn't burst any of your popcorn fart bubbles!
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punk is dead, Greenday is pretty close, offspring is good music but not punk. punk is about energy and feeling compiled into loud fucking tunes that throw all of the anger and angst of the younger generation at you really hard hitting.
@ShadowCookie, I agree that punk is dead, but Green Day hasn't been punk since Dookie.. maybe Nimrod, between Green Day, and Offspring, I'd say the latter is closer to being punk.
HAHhaHAhaHAAAha greenday pretty close? since warning greenday is the whorst thing that could happen to punk, an now are plaiyng something more close to pop than anything. offspring is loyal to it's own style...
let me correct you, punk is dead, offspring was the last great punk band before they changed into ecclectic punk, okay just be3cause a genre doesn't exist in pure form doesn't mean it's not a subgenre fool.
I don't really care about the genre of a band as long as they're good. I would personally consider them punk from what I've heard (I haven't heard all that much from The Offspring though)
How are they not punk. Man, by today's standards of punk, this seems like Ramones... hahaha. If blink-182 can be considered punk (even post-punk), if Rise Against can be considered punk (yes i've seen it), and if Green Day can really have ever been called punk, then this is definintly punk...
The Offspring are awesome, so glad they're finally making a comeback, IT'S ABOUT TIME!!!!!! Check out a pop/rock/reggae band from Vancouver BC. CANADA Search for "Brandon Paris Band + Say Goodbye + Much Music"
The offspring has alway's made good deep song's, I hate people that say sell out, it's all about the music, and the music has always been real and good.
I still think Ixnay and Americana are the best, but Smash and Ignition are close runners-up, IMO. Unfortunately, I don't think they've released a halfway decent album since Conspiracy of One, and even then they were past their peak.
They can still write some nice singles, but I've really lost confidence
I'm so freakin' stoked for Rise and Fall Rage and Grace! Here in America it's coming out on Tuesday. God, I feel like I'm going to explode from anticipation!
out of all their albums i didnt like splinter that much. Their best albums imo were Ignition /conspiracy of one and americana. But Ixnay and smash were still deadly albums
offspring es el puto mejor grupo d el mundo se me pone la piel d gallina con todas sus canciones y son to la polla!!!!!!!!!! offspring rules!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What's wrong with you ?! I agree it sounds new and different, but way better than they have done before like Splinter or conspiracy which begin to sound commercial! Just enjoy it. Not to bad !
This song is a much better direction for offspring to be heading in.... That song "Youre, gonna go far kid" is a terrible attempt at trying to make it big. They should stick to the stuff that got them fans in the first place. Bring back songs like Bad habit and self esteem. Bring back the heigh tempo of kidz arent alright! Bring back the energy of americana and the emotion of Denial revisited! If only i could give Bryan advice... On how to compose his album for the true fan... Offspring forever!
i get the feeling that this song will be VERY good on the album. it has the punk lyrics but also has a substantial tragic element. frikken love it. my guess is it'll be the last song, if not the 2nd last
well it's punk i grew up with in the 90s so it's true to me. i know true punk is like 70s shit though, but when people start saying band names like sex pistols, buzzcocks, ramones, ect, i'm just like YAAAAAAAAAAWN *puts on a death metal record* (Y)
you're right though, it is better. for one thing, punk rock bands venture outside the limits of 4 powerchords sequences & actually play like they've been playing guitar longer than 5 minutes
Man thos two songs I heard from the new album sound really good! Doesn't sound like Smash or anything but hey, every time they try a different style, they nail it!
This song is definitely more rock than punk-rock. I don't care, I love CO1 which is hated by a lot because it is more rock. Hammerhead reminds me of ignition/smash so this album should be well rounded I think. A little bit of old and new.
conspiracy of one was my favorite album. i thought that most of the songs in smash kinda got old quick. like genocide... i cant stand that song anymore... i loved bad habit... self esteem, gotta get away.. those were great... just the whole of the album didn't seem as good as conspiracy of one.
wow i cant wait to the 17.. I espect rise and fall rage and grace be the best album of all! wanting for this to much yeahh.. the bad is that they wont come to Ecuador xD asi ke no me ago las iluciones.. Offspring the best!
Simon, entiendo que una vez fueron a Colombia.. pero no por aca. Pero quien sabe, algunos artistas internacionales han estado viniendo, ojala Offspring venga algun dia.. Always lift up your illusions, definitely maybe they'll come sooner or later..
WOOP! OMG I LOVE THIS SONG SOO MUCH ^__^ ITS SO FRIKKIN AWSEAOME!! THE OFFSPRING NEVER LET ME DOWN ^__^ WOOP they rock my little black and white socks! woop! cant wait till new album ^__^ woop! and no come to the UK!!!!!! XD!
Anyway,
if we don't make it alive
it's a hell of a good day to die
♥
TaMiLaiiin 1 week ago
kartoffel ?
Butterkeksx333 2 months ago
the best lyrics they've ever written!!
kevin2234 7 months ago
Thumbs up if u used this as ur screen saver
airhardy797 7 months ago
quality sucks
re4dyt0d1e 8 months ago
Dumbasses listen and stop pigeonholing, This shit stands on its own, listen dumbfucks listen... these old fucks have a very poignant point! hope it doesn't burst any of your popcorn fart bubbles!
heyitsus 10 months ago
Einer der besten songs ever wie ich finde
92MrHippy 10 months ago
sounds like helena by my chemical romance xD
RoxiMcrFan 10 months ago 2
My favorite part is "the cuts in my heart, they show in your eeeeeeeyeeees" the way he says "eyes" is so awesome, I love his voice
cheezkid 10 months ago
:)))) Helena :)))))
chemicalius 10 months ago 4
God did not rest on the 7th day he created the offspring
ttisawolf 1 year ago
this music somehow fit in halo 3: ODST if you know what I mean
Masterkiller9000 1 year ago
fuck u Justin Bieber!THIS is the music. OFFSPRING!
nonszi94 1 year ago
i like the song but...doesent this sound a little too much like helena from my chemical romance...just saying...
BoogerFlinger911 1 year ago
@BoogerFlinger911 IT KINDA DOES WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT
P3LYGRO94 1 year ago
@BoogerFlinger911 yep.this is like helena on speed.
DEATHEXISTFOREVER 11 months ago
@DEATHEXISTFOREVER I wouldn't say it's on speed. More like it's a more bland Helena with better lyrics.
Zimx02 10 months ago
One of my favourite song by The Offspring <3
I love it
Offspring for life xD
yuminachan94 1 year ago
What does it matter? The Offspring is outstanding, regardless of what everyone might claim.
Gladestar 1 year ago
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punk is dead, Greenday is pretty close, offspring is good music but not punk. punk is about energy and feeling compiled into loud fucking tunes that throw all of the anger and angst of the younger generation at you really hard hitting.
ShadowCookie 2 years ago
@ShadowCookie, I agree that punk is dead, but Green Day hasn't been punk since Dookie.. maybe Nimrod, between Green Day, and Offspring, I'd say the latter is closer to being punk.
User94762 2 years ago 2
HAHhaHAhaHAAAha greenday pretty close? since warning greenday is the whorst thing that could happen to punk, an now are plaiyng something more close to pop than anything. offspring is loyal to it's own style...
gosh...
ricoselkum 1 year ago
let me correct you, punk is dead, offspring was the last great punk band before they changed into ecclectic punk, okay just be3cause a genre doesn't exist in pure form doesn't mean it's not a subgenre fool.
Isamright33 1 year ago
nice song mother FUCKKER
HokageCL 2 years ago
kind of bad intonation at 1:40 ah well punk music is hard to play/sing. gives you a workout.
hagu44 2 years ago
if you ask me this is their best song
Jareddsj13 2 years ago
i agree
lifeline5288 2 years ago
Amen.
Fuck genres. Good music is good music.
scarslasher 2 years ago 54
I don't really care about the genre of a band as long as they're good. I would personally consider them punk from what I've heard (I haven't heard all that much from The Offspring though)
great song.
TheZoidburglar 2 years ago 3
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i dont no why people think that the offspring is punk they are not punk
fushthefashion 2 years ago
yeah you're right, they're more alternative
ElChe888 2 years ago
i could give 2 fux less what they are. music is music. fuck labeling.....
starbock 2 years ago 21
Amen to that brother!!! fucking amateurs ay : )
Wrecked17 2 years ago
exactly dood
qpzy 2 years ago
@starbock ya know thats kinda like copying wat scarslasher said ><"
well... i dunno who said it first but one of u is jus out for heads up's!
yaoiluvva01 4 months ago
How are they not punk. Man, by today's standards of punk, this seems like Ramones... hahaha. If blink-182 can be considered punk (even post-punk), if Rise Against can be considered punk (yes i've seen it), and if Green Day can really have ever been called punk, then this is definintly punk...
WisconsinParkour 2 years ago 4
they used to be more punk. they're more alternative now.
Cnelson720 2 years ago
GOOD SONG
malejhoumik 2 years ago
The Offspring are awesome, so glad they're finally making a comeback, IT'S ABOUT TIME!!!!!! Check out a pop/rock/reggae band from Vancouver BC. CANADA Search for "Brandon Paris Band + Say Goodbye + Much Music"
<3 Rachel
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Lovelyxbabydoll 2 years ago
Americana was fucking epic
Karnisia 2 years ago 2
offspring lo mejor de toooodooo el mundo weones por la mierda es lo mejor que muchas estupideses que dan ahora de musica viva offsping
halo3h2 3 years ago
u guys rock and mcnuts88 is stupid also i am so goin to theyre concert in Edmonton
bassist150 3 years ago 2
man even if thet are old, they still have it in them, even if they changed a little bit, but they still have
bigZjujuman 3 years ago 4
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this album dissapointed me deeply only like 5 good songs, i was so excited too. Smash and ixnay are their best albums for sure.
McNutz88 3 years ago
The offspring has alway's made good deep song's, I hate people that say sell out, it's all about the music, and the music has always been real and good.
dahlt123 3 years ago 6
I still think Ixnay and Americana are the best, but Smash and Ignition are close runners-up, IMO. Unfortunately, I don't think they've released a halfway decent album since Conspiracy of One, and even then they were past their peak.
They can still write some nice singles, but I've really lost confidence
Recreant456 3 years ago
my thoughts exactly
McNutz88 3 years ago
imo, ignition and splinter are the two best albums, i never liked alot out of smash.
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mitsu002 3 years ago
THE OFFSPRING ROCK !!! GOGOGO !
zeminely 3 years ago
its better live than on the album
Edethelegfrontman 3 years ago
the song is a little too high for Dexter on the album they do it lower ^^ This song is really awesome the best on the new album I think
KalB971 3 years ago
I can hear the resemblence. Sadly.
Psychopatrick88 3 years ago
It sounds a *bit* like Helena, but I think it's just a coincidence. And this is better.
DarthKrattus 3 years ago
This song doesnt really sound like helena at all. This song is way more of an upbeat tempo, and like Edude said, this is song is Way better.
Siouxhky19 3 years ago 4
i luv this song!!! its my new obsession!!!
sk8erchic713137 3 years ago 3
this song is much better than "helena" though^^ MCR SUCKS! OFFSPRING ROCKS!!
Edude182 3 years ago 8
best song on this album...
HalfTruism 3 years ago 2
great!
garuoshi 3 years ago
dude the chord progression is almost identical
InCahoots1 3 years ago
this song totally sounds like helena by my chemical romance
InCahoots1 3 years ago
yea it does. no doubt i was thinking that the second i was listening to it. still a good song
nik2525 3 years ago
i thought the exact same thing when i first heard it
PenguinsGoOinkOink 3 years ago
Helena sounds like this song you mean! MCR copied the offspring before they even thought of this song!
budihollijr 3 years ago
The album isn't THAT great....BUT THIS SONG RULES!!!!!!!!!
initinpai 3 years ago
this song defo sounds like helena by MCR... except this ones way better lol
the offspring 4 life!
mattman18244 3 years ago
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haha thats true. They're both good songs though.
initinpai 3 years ago
harlej if u think they suck, why are you watching the video?
kiilrtofu 3 years ago
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this song sucks as the whole offspring !
harlej11 3 years ago
Disregard that, he sucks cocks.
Thalion87 3 years ago
lol intro sounds like new born
Kill908090 3 years ago
I'm so freakin' stoked for Rise and Fall Rage and Grace! Here in America it's coming out on Tuesday. God, I feel like I'm going to explode from anticipation!
vonfinell 3 years ago
The intro to this song sounds like the intro to New Born by Muse. Just an observation.
ndschroede23 3 years ago
Exactly what I thought when I first heard it.
manmon77 3 years ago
@ndschroede23 i was just thinking the same!
fede018 1 year ago
out of all their albums i didnt like splinter that much. Their best albums imo were Ignition /conspiracy of one and americana. But Ixnay and smash were still deadly albums
Naelzek 3 years ago
1st 4 albums are great, Americana 5/10, Conspiracy 4/10, Splinter 6/10, New Album ?/10 (not listen all yet)
Mafon2 3 years ago
americana 5/10???? are you high? that album is unreal..
tkocchampion 3 years ago
Hmmm... ok, let's see ... hmm, u r right let's add few points....
Mafon2 3 years ago
With me it would be 8/10 Americana, 6/10 Conspiracy, and 7/10 Splinter.
Psychopatrick88 3 years ago
lmao you are fucking RETARDED
zabrak999 3 years ago
its got 69 ratings woot!
justAquickNut 3 years ago
fucking mad as song!
DizzLock28 3 years ago
I like this one more than hammerhead. I'll buy this album as soon as it come up :)
ordal 3 years ago 6
i think it's gonna be second best after SMASH
luckysilviano 3 years ago 3
um... have you listened to ignition?
nelson3300 3 years ago
@luckysilviano and it wasn't
fede018 1 year ago
Offspring FTW _o_
nijpaardepiemel 3 years ago 3
it's live ^^
I'll fucking buy their fucking NEW ablum
friggingbomb88 3 years ago 3
what offspring fan wouldnt?
WWEfan779 3 years ago
me too i love hammeread which is heavyer
E712 3 years ago
offspring es el puto mejor grupo d el mundo se me pone la piel d gallina con todas sus canciones y son to la polla!!!!!!!!!! offspring rules!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
JulioGDLC 3 years ago 3
Cuánta razón... ^^
psicobot 3 years ago
chorus reminds me of helena by my chemical romance
deedee9 3 years ago
then just stop listening to shit like that and listen to offspring
somitooo 3 years ago 4
What's wrong with you ?! I agree it sounds new and different, but way better than they have done before like Splinter or conspiracy which begin to sound commercial! Just enjoy it. Not to bad !
pyrrha2 3 years ago
rip off
deedee9 3 years ago
WOW the album sounds like its gonna be EPIC probably FAR better than the last 3
plungerhigh 3 years ago 2
You prefer old offspring if you prefer hammerhead, you probably love ignition and smash
BryanBuntu 3 years ago
This song is a much better direction for offspring to be heading in.... That song "Youre, gonna go far kid" is a terrible attempt at trying to make it big. They should stick to the stuff that got them fans in the first place. Bring back songs like Bad habit and self esteem. Bring back the heigh tempo of kidz arent alright! Bring back the energy of americana and the emotion of Denial revisited! If only i could give Bryan advice... On how to compose his album for the true fan... Offspring forever!
BryanBuntu 3 years ago
sounds like one of their old songs... the beginning bit..
i agree that the "you're gonna go far kid" song wasn't their best..=(
Totally agree with BrianBuntu
RakelClark 3 years ago
Mate.. they are making the music NOW, that made them popular, like americana, want you bad and Stareing at the sun.
I think it's great they make this sort of music for their new album
OFFSPRING RULLEZZ
Utaynium 3 years ago 2
This Song is awesome. The guitar intro sounds so good
Ltjrevival 3 years ago
R.I.R
2008
Im here!!!
Orionpito 3 years ago
i get the feeling that this song will be VERY good on the album. it has the punk lyrics but also has a substantial tragic element. frikken love it. my guess is it'll be the last song, if not the 2nd last
joemuscle52 3 years ago 2
lol sorry but its actually the first on the album!!! look on wikipedia and shizzle!!
iluvpunkstuff 3 years ago
really?
hmmm, i guess i should've looked at the tracklist before posting that last comment, lol
joemuscle52 3 years ago
sorry: 'reminds me'
Hujerpictures 3 years ago
I¨m a big fan of The Offspring, but this song reminds mi My Chemical Romance's 'Helena'...I don't know why...
Hujerpictures 3 years ago
NoFx, Offspring and bad Religion is the best punk bands ever:)
Edude182 3 years ago
AND IF WE DONT MAKE IT ALIVE
ITS A HELL OF A GOOD DAY TO DIE!
Greatest lyrics I've ever seen
OffspringUsedFrK2 3 years ago
Wow, I love it yet while first time hearing
DexterTheMaster 3 years ago
this is awesome. glad to see they've kept punk alive. they are probably the only true punk left out there today
guanjon 3 years ago 5
Them The Vandals, and NoFx.
junkmail22 3 years ago
this is not true punk. its better coz its punk rock
ceke182 3 years ago 3
well it's punk i grew up with in the 90s so it's true to me. i know true punk is like 70s shit though, but when people start saying band names like sex pistols, buzzcocks, ramones, ect, i'm just like YAAAAAAAAAAWN *puts on a death metal record* (Y)
you're right though, it is better. for one thing, punk rock bands venture outside the limits of 4 powerchords sequences & actually play like they've been playing guitar longer than 5 minutes
guanjon 3 years ago
NoFx, Bad Religion dont forget Pennywise.
artkingmen 3 years ago
year man
NoFX and The Offspring are the two best punk bands!
they rock!
TSVNU 3 years ago
Don't be so naive..
AniLumo 3 years ago
The Offspring Are Back.
Fucking get in!
offspringlad 3 years ago 7
go kevin
flaminboy2 3 years ago
puta madre falta bocha para el 17 de junio :@
el 16 voy a dormir en la puerta de musimundo jaja como con splinter :)- .. pero espero q esta ves no desepcionen
KIERO UNA VUELTA A IGNITION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
100mmhg 3 years ago
Awesome... only 29 days:)
OFFSPR1NG93PL 3 years ago
I wanna see HALF-TRUISM on TV!!!!.. Please, Dexter...
MuddahFukkah 3 years ago
It Will Be Awesome Album!!! I Can't Wait!!
MONGO13PL 3 years ago
this should be the next studio single that they release, its so boss
xoffspringx8181 3 years ago
IT´s only amazing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ThePhoenix707 3 years ago
Man thos two songs I heard from the new album sound really good! Doesn't sound like Smash or anything but hey, every time they try a different style, they nail it!
Can't wait for June 17th!
Offspring fan for life!
daedtonsknup 3 years ago
hah, a mistake at 2:39, but can't blame him, it must be hard to play guitar and sing well at the same time
RuhtinasJorma 3 years ago
...Lol shhh. u didnt hear anything
HeyILikePieism 3 years ago 2
agreed :-)
RuhtinasJorma 3 years ago
This is so good, I will even buy the album legally.
Stynkkeli 3 years ago 2
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the best album is igntition-
best toworst[ there all good]
IGNITION
THE OFFSPRING
SMASH
CONSPIRACY OF ONE
IXNAY ON THE HOMBRE
AMERICANA
SPLINTER
Sikjacksains 3 years ago
This song is definitely more rock than punk-rock. I don't care, I love CO1 which is hated by a lot because it is more rock. Hammerhead reminds me of ignition/smash so this album should be well rounded I think. A little bit of old and new.
leftfacedown 3 years ago
conspiracy of one was my favorite album. i thought that most of the songs in smash kinda got old quick. like genocide... i cant stand that song anymore... i loved bad habit... self esteem, gotta get away.. those were great... just the whole of the album didn't seem as good as conspiracy of one.
theblackflame9 3 years ago 2
i already have this cd, its really good, but there not as punk anymore
FRIEDPRODS 3 years ago
How do you have this cd? do you mean the new one....rise and fall, rage and grace
Alywillz 3 years ago
Yeah, its a good cd but some of the songs r to slow, but its still good. I really hope they do well because im good friends with them
FRIEDPRODS 3 years ago
Hey, these guys are like 40 now. They can't play punk-rock for the whole of their lives.
Can't want till the album release. This song reminds me of 'Helena' by MCR. The same structure :)
salt1s 3 years ago
ahhhhhhh yeah download :D
1.smash
2.conspiracy
3.americana
4.ixnay
5.ignition
6.splinter
and havnt got self titled
will9909 3 years ago
best to worst:
SMASH
Ignition
Ixnay on The Hombre
Conspiracy Of One
The Offspring
Americana
Splinter..
And if the whole CD is as good as the single they just put out (Hammerhead) and this, its gonna be the next best, nothing beats Smash
OffspringUsedFrK2 3 years ago
ignition
smash
ixnay
conspiracy of one
self titled
americana
splinter
samhorvat 3 years ago
conspiracy of one
splinter
ixnay on the hombre
ignition
Americana
smash
self titled
JWEEZY626 3 years ago
june 17th will be so fucking sunny !
Best stuff :
Smash
Ignition
Ixnay
Americana
The offspring
Conspiracy
Splinter
(maybe Rise and fall's gonna be somewhere on top!!)
johnycash19 3 years ago
This song is amazing.
Obangg 3 years ago 2
yeah ignition is def. their best stuff
mine would go
ignition
ixnay
self titled and smash
americana
splinter
conspriracy
timb900 3 years ago
nothing special, smash is and always will be their best effort
akers17 3 years ago
i really wish they would go back to more of a punk rock sound again. I dont really like this pop shit...
timb900 3 years ago
They just try something new, imo it doesnt sound that bad!
HorosanNL 3 years ago
awesome song! 100 times better than hammerhead
cross88pl 3 years ago
good song.
BYOSProductions 3 years ago
wow i cant wait to the 17.. I espect rise and fall rage and grace be the best album of all! wanting for this to much yeahh.. the bad is that they wont come to Ecuador xD asi ke no me ago las iluciones.. Offspring the best!
albertomaniaco 3 years ago
Simon, entiendo que una vez fueron a Colombia.. pero no por aca. Pero quien sabe, algunos artistas internacionales han estado viniendo, ojala Offspring venga algun dia.. Always lift up your illusions, definitely maybe they'll come sooner or later..
dan2091 3 years ago
WOOP! OMG I LOVE THIS SONG SOO MUCH ^__^ ITS SO FRIKKIN AWSEAOME!! THE OFFSPRING NEVER LET ME DOWN ^__^ WOOP they rock my little black and white socks! woop! cant wait till new album ^__^ woop! and no come to the UK!!!!!! XD!
KittyKitKatKatherine 3 years ago 2
this is soooo awesome can´t wait for the new album ..hopefully they are giving some concerts in germany too
LaBellaVita221 3 years ago
The New album Is coming Out 7th June and Hammerhead will be on Radio at 10th may.
Sk8rocka 3 years ago
beautifull song, the chorus part is so NOT offspring.. yet its good their trying out new stuff with their old one :)
Edycal 3 years ago
This song is amazing, and I seriously cannot wait for the new album.
BleedingCosmos 3 years ago 2
NEW CD'S GONNA BE AMAZING GO OFFSPRING
imark789 3 years ago 4
I cannot wait for the new album.
I can't wait for them to go back to touring in the U.S.
I check their site everyday for an update [c'mon Houston]
lx4d 3 years ago
omfg
its the first comment!
stop listing the fucking albums!
jerms246 3 years ago
offspring kick so much ass. cd's so far:
1. americana
2. ixnay
3. smash
4. splinter
5. ignition
6. self-titled
7. conspiracy
all the stuff that's gonna be on their new cd sounds sick, too.
lolapecan12 3 years ago
1. smash is the better
comemelculez 3 years ago 6
Well you haven't heard all the albums yet so you will have to wait til you can ´make decions like that, Right ?
ILoveRebecka 3 years ago
imo
1.ignition
2.smash
3.self titled
4.ixnay
5.americana
6.conspriracy
HorosanNL 3 years ago