MSNBC is a bunch of whining babies and within the next several years they will be the laughing stock of media for the way they handled our first black president and the whole "racial" issue. I would have voted for him but my girlfriend told me to take a closer look...and she is by all standards "black" being from the Dominican Republic
They are bringing guns to town hall meetings because they are terrorist wannabes. Instead of just stating their opinion and being heard, they want to intimidate. It won't work. It just makes them look like mini Osamas. They have no credibility.
Chris is wrong when he says these gun owners are going to townhall meetings armed for no reason; the reason is to show that the people are upset, willing and able to change the government. They are sending a message, a reminder of what happened at this country's founding.
I don't necessarily agree with the revolution mindset promoted these days but I think Chris and others are ignorant if they don't see this.
That's a very intelligent statement. I found this video when looking for videos on my AR15. It is a statement to remind the gov't that "we the people" will take drastic measures if things keep going in the direction they are. I might not do such a thing but a black man doing it is just awesome...it so goes against the grain of stereotype that one can't help but want to meet him...he must be quite interesting.
I find it funny that a lot of the people posting here are calling people with guns at these events "nuts" but then turn around and call for there death. Huh I think I know who the "NuTs" are.
Terrifying scenario; mix in a little alcohol and you have guaranteed disaster. I'd say, 'What are they thinking?', but it's obvious they AREN'T thinking. What about MY rights to be protected when I am verbally dissenting from their viewpoint in a public place? Will they say, "She was asking for it" if I get shot? Insanity.
I have the right to do so many things, but it doesn't mean that I aught to.
This is obviously NOT about just "using" my rights. It is about sending a message which is also obvious. Bringing guns into any situation is for true protection (shooting snakes in the forrest) or to send a message that "if you do something that threatens me, I will shoot you" (like cops and soldiers)
I got the message, but I won't shut up.
I do ask that you don't shoot me at my rally however. I can't afford the ER.
In a state where ou have a Gynecologist like Gingery as a Congressman and a Veterinarian ( Sonny Perdue) as the govemor, the only thing I am sure is that these guys have been looking at the wrong end of the horse too long!
If you don't like the constitution, there a plenty of countries you can move to that don't have a constitution like Iran. Those people really love big brother, lol.
I wacthed the video where the interviewer discussed how the interview was planned. Atleast CHris was not an actor. Chris does beleive in what was said and apperently carries when the camera is off.
Some states have "open carry laws" where anyone can have a firearm on their person with some exceptions. But really...all of these laws go against the constitution much like when they tell you when and where you can exercise your freedom of speech.
so right wing people are terrorists huh. expressing their rights.
no its just that were not cowardly little fucks hiding behind politicians and crying fix this for me instead they take care of things themselves.. so quit running you mouths and get a life and get out of your parents basement.. moron
Heres one for you little wimpy girly men Liberals. How would a Million Armed but Peaceful march on DC sound to you. This wimpy girly Chris Hardball never fired a BB gun in his life. What a complete wimp.
Sounds silly to me, but I encourage you to try it. While the majority of Americans support the 2nd Amendment, I think they'd be a little nervous about having it shoved in their face like that. It would probably increase support for gun control laws.
Let's not have town hall meetings let's have town hall shoot outs. Us against them. Americans are becoming stupider with each generation. Carrying a gun to a political gathering is what happens in third world countries. These gun toters are the equivalent of the Taliban trying to scare people to accept their twisted views. The American Taliban at work to spread the evangelical word with the bullets of the lord.
Exactly. These scare tactics are one threat away from terrorism. On these youtube comments pages, many have explicitly made threats with regard to their weapons.
Right wing extremism is becoming the new face of domestic terrorism.
"Right wing extremism is becoming the new face of domestic terrorism."
What do you mean "becoming?" It has been for a long time. It's just that foreign terrorism from a minority religion (in the U.S.) is easier for Americans to accept.
When McVeigh blew up the Murrah Federal Building in 1995 (killing 168, wounding 680) the knee jerk reaction was that it MUST have been Muslim extremists. Mosques all over the country received death threats, and a few were vandalized.
maybe they bring it because the dems have started beating,anti health,and push them out of meetings. where was this guy whem obama had black panthers armed at the national elections,course they did not have legal permits to bearmed.The white house ordered them not to proscue
if this had happened in 1964 at any of pres. Johnson events what u think would happen to the indiviuals, they would be shot where they stand. because this president is black he has to tip toe around very strong language and policy to deal with these people. WHAT A SHAME
No, its sad tho that you still believe in the left/right paradigm. The country is dying because it has become TOO BIG, and too fascist. Empires always fail, and when they do, new ones always pop up.
There's a difference between "I have the right to do this" and "I should do this." People can bring guns to these meetings, but that doesn't mean that they should.
I hate these pussies that show up at these town hall meetings with their guns, It's just not neccessary. Just because you carry a gun it doesn't make you tough. you can give a pussy a gun and he's still a pussy. I perfer not to carry a gun in public places. I'm a tough guy with a pussy in my hand.
The entire South is the biggest piece of shit on planet Earth. It's absolutely mind-boggling how ignorant these/you fucking rednecks are. You are the only thing holding this country back, and it's truly sad that you exist.
Oh wait now. The SOUTH didn't even want to be a part of the Union in the first place! The Union unconstitutionally FORCED the Confederate Union back into what we now have in the US. This is of the Union's fault. I know plenty of Southern and NON Southerners that feel the same way. Learn some history jackass.
That's ridiculous. Stop all this talk of division and divisiveness. Instead of being a stubborn ass, listen to other people and respond with your own ideas.
What do you mean learn some history? I've got a fucking BA in history. Are you making the claim that my comment implied that the South did indeed NOT want to secede? How the fuck did you gather that from my comment? My comment, as it says, was meant to imply that southerners, a large part of which are indeed fundamentally Christian, are holding this country back from progressing towards the examples set by many other nations. When did I say that the South never wanted to secede?
Don't get me wrong, I like guns! But Mathews is right! Why should you bring a fire weapon in a public meeting, in witch the President is going to appear?
Then bring your gun to your kids' elementary school, their friends' houses, their birthday parties, McDonald's, the bowling alley, a little league baseball game. Exercise your right to be stupid there and see how people react.
I don't have kids. I am a licensed carrier tho, and I do bring my gun open carry when and where I am allowed. I have people come up to me all the time too asking questions. Most of the times they are friendly. No one in their right mind would attack a person with a gun. Thats kind of the point. You wouldn't either.
You have a right to free speech too. Why don't you shout "nigger" out loud wherever you go? After all, it's your right as an American citizen, and you wouldn't want free speech to go to waste.
I bet if a group of black panthers protested Rep. Gingrey's town hall meetings with guns loaded, he'd wet his pants. Anyone who peacefully protest with guns obviously don't know the first thing about gun or gun safety IMO.
Matthews is such a dipshit. Bringing a gun to where the president is speaking is "watering the tree of liberty" by expressing your right to bear arms. Bringing it to where the president is speaking brings attn to American principles of LIBERTY. Matthews would love it if all guns were banned in America and we were helpless slaves to this Oligarchy Govt. What Matthews doesn't realize is the people running this country will destroy him and the only thing protecting him would be the armed citizens.
whats there point are they guarding us and our freedom ...... want to be a patriot have to carry props to put on a public show....ok thank you so much. DS
Know this GOP: When someone gets murdered by your lackey's, the blame will fall squarely on you. Remember what happened to Doctor Tiller "The Baby Killer"? You fucks ruined this man's life. Don't think we've forgotten what you did to him. If you lead another person to kill someone, expect serious retribution from Americans. Enough is fucking enough. You are ruining the United States. Don't dare call yourselves "patriotic". Don't dare call yourselves "humane".
FREEDOM isn't Free you idiot. How many people die per year in car accidents? Why aren't cars illegal? There is a price to pay for freedom. The ultimate price is death. Death by firearm, death by car accident, death by overeating, death by smoking, death by etc
A right carries with it responsibility. These stupid fucks are saying "it's okay for me to threaten the lives of my community and representatives" and when someone gets murdered you can bet that they will disavow all responsibility for encouraging violent behavior. It's legal under the Constitution, but it's sick and demented and people are going to die because of it.
this is why I hate the modern NRA, they don't teach responsibility and it is filled with idiots who want to shoot at anything they can and not even use the remains to their fullest
Of course a person has a right to carry a gun around but is it responsible? That's what people often don't think about - the responsibility side of freedom. Imagine if everyone carried a gun into a heated debate......
But right-wingers know this good and well. They know the possibilities. They want people to carry guns to these events because they're hoping someone will be stupid enough to take a shot at Obama or a liberal who disagrees with them.
I wonder if that republican rep who feels that bring guns to a political rally is OK would also support doubling or tripling the size of the US Secret Service?
And what rights are being given up of we have a politician take the obvious and responsible act of just asking people to leave the guns at home?
Guns are for potentially protecting your life. You should be allowed that right. But, there should be no reason for these guys to bring their pistols to these kinds of meetings. If things get out of control, something stupid happens and then next thing you know......there are police in riot gear every where, maybe even the military on the streets because people have been manipulated by the forces at work in big health care business. Stir up the people, let them loose, guns are OK....poof.
I don't see a difference with someone carrying a gun in a grocery store or a town hall meeting. If someone is going to be dangerous, they're going to be. It's always nice knowing that there the vast majority of people are good and they are allowed to be equipped to handle the dangerous ones.
Unless your wielding a weapon for protection, weapons signify violence....wow if ppl are bringing guns then i can only imagine what will happen in this country's future.
We have the right of free speech, but people don't like it when the loons from the Westboro Baptist Church exercise the right in inappropriate ways at soldiers' funerals, etc.... There is a time and a place people. Guns at town hall meetings?? Really? With the president there? I hope the secret service get jumpy and plug one of these idiots.
You can bet your bottom dollar that if anybody had brought a gun to a Bush event, permit or no permit, they'd still be sitting in a jail cell somewhere.
Domestic terrorism. All that remains now is for someone to get shot. Hopefully, by then, the health care bill will have passed so the victim can receive affordable treatment.
it's so obvious that these men with the brains of 14 year old boys just want to come and show off because they're so pathetically insecure. they want to go to meetings and show that they're the hardest man in the room, especially with all those 'queer liberals' around because they have no other political ideology besides greed, selfishness, and being a piece of shit.
Carrying a weapon to a town meeting falls under both first and second amendment rights now that I think about it. It can be considered symbolic speech (like wearing clothing as a politcal statement) as long as it's not disruptive or obscene.
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When someone brings a loaded gun into a crowd and doesn't use it and/or wave it around like a crazy fuck. The guys carrying guns in the protest weren't being disruptive at all. They were there to protest, like the people around them. The only difference was that they were carrying a gun.
This is probably a guess, but there are far more people who carry knives on their person. Concealed. Why aren't people concerned that there are probably more people in those crowds with knives than guns?
I think you're dodging the issue here, this isn't about people having concealed weaponry, it's about people bringing guns to a public meeting.
In 2003 "liberals" peacefully protested the American military going to kill a bunch of people based on lies. in 2009 "conservatives" are going to town halls with guns because the government wants to PROVIDE HEALTH CARE FOR EVERYONE.
That's the problem, the simple fact is that no one needs to bring a weapon of any kind to any sort of public meeting.
As a criminal, would you be more likely, or less likely, to rob a bank, break in a house, mug, rape, or steal, if you knew for certain your victims were armed?
If someone wants to kill you, they don't need a gun to do it.
If law abiding armed citizens are present in a shootout, it won't last very long.
You have the right to live peacefully. You have the right to your opinion. You have the right to NOT carry a gun.
And I will defend your rights to the death.. With My Gun.
When someone breaks into my house, I'll call the police. You're more likely to kill someone you love in the dark (or yourself) than an intruder. That's not an opinion, it's a statistical fact -- one that undermines your entire gun fantasy.
You want the rights promised by the constitutional? Buy a musket.
The statistics are ubiquitous. Google it. Almost everywhere in the country, "accidental shooting" deaths are higher than "legal interviention." If you add in suicides, the disparity spikes to 10-20 times higher.
>I didn't see muskets mentioned.
I didn't see assult rifles mentioned in the constitution.
>I don't have a gun fantasy.
What you have is a false sense of security. Hopefully, when you fuck up, it's a suicide not an "accidental shooting."
Yeah well if you live out in the country like I do it takes the police about 20 min to get to my house. By the time the police get here every ones dead and robbed anyways so whats the point. Good game plan! Most LEGAL gun owners are trained and target practice quite often and know what they are doing :)
This is not a gun Fantasy. People with CCLs are not blood thirsty Cowboys. Mr Texan is not a nut for saying "I will kill if needed." As a CCL holder I have to accept the fact that in the process of protecting myself my attacker may die. I dont want to kill anyone (the psychological burden could be enourmous) but I would rather it be the attacker than me.
You're missing the point of the statistics, deleond. You are more likely to kill an innocent in an accidental shooting with your gun than an intruder. You are 10-20 times likelier to shoot YOURSELF than an intruder.
Guns are statistically dangerous enough that you are safer without one. It's just the facts.
NO I think you are missing the point. Statistics can be rearanged and swtiched around to suit anyones need. Tell me were you got these statistics from I I can break them down and esily turn the tables. Both you and Me and twist the stats. Now that we all know that stats dont mean squat I do agree that the possibility of shooting a bystander on the street or a family member in the home are things that need to be addressed.
Statistics are facts. *shrug* Google it. The details very from state to state and county to county, but across the nation the trend is that "accidental shooting" deaths are higher than "legal interviention." If you add in suicides, the disparity spikes to 10-20 times higher.
I'm sorry to hear that you twist stats. I'm really only in it to get to what's true.
If you start googling cause-of-death statistics , you'll find most of them are available from all over the US. I mean, I'd love to point you to one magic source with all of the info from all 50 states and hundreds of counties, but it's not that easy. You have to actually dig a little.
My definition of Legal intervention covers alot of stuff. Some people do not realize that legal intervention can take place without a shot being fired.
I ran a google search for "Statistics" and got 570,000,000 entries. I found 57,000 entries for "gun statistics." Where do I go from here? Im not trying to be a smart ass, I would just like to know where your stats come from.
The "you're more likely to kill a loved one" is actually an old stat from the Clinton days, so you may be able to find something using that (that was where I started). It is a little misleading, since gun-suicides really mess with the statistics, but whatever.
When someone breaks into your house, you can talk to them, YOU CAN VOTE FOR THEM?. What the fuck does that mean?? I am a gun owner, in fact I own many firearms. I will defend my family and my home to the death. But I would never bring a firearm to a political rally! I feel that if these IDIOTS that carry firearms to a political rally should be the FIRST to be SHOT if ANY guns shots are fired!!! If these ASSHOLES showed up to a Bush Rally "STRAPPED" they would be at GITMO or dead!!!!
>Does your vulgar language make your point clearer for you?
.... shut the fuck up, asshole?
So much for defending the 1st amendment to the constitution. By the way, there were CHILDREN PRESENT at the rally your buddy brought an ASSAULT RIFLE to.
More and more people and getting CCLs and the massacres involving CCL holders has not happened. When stand your ground laws were passed many felt there would be blood in the streets because of CCL holders killing over anything. It hasn't happened
That's like saying you should be free to use the word "nigger" wherever and however often you want as long as it's not disruptive to others. Does that make it worth doing?
Those asserting the "legality" of the act of bringing weapons to a political event show what sophistic pigs they in fact are.
There are any number of imprudent, down right vicious and anti-social things people can do which are technically "legal."
That this needs to be explained to these people, is either a sign of their moral or intellectual degeneracy. And these are typically the Jesus-Christers. Go figure.
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Chris Matthews is a sad little man.
1. They can, it's legal.
2. People don't carry guns to uses them, they carry them as a defense. Nice how Chris assumes anyone with a gun has intent to shot someone. What a loser.
3. An visible handgun gun is better than a concealed one in a public event. A concealed weapon would be far more suspicious to me.
I love how these liberal stations have to resort to attacking Americans that aren't even doing anything wrong or illegal. It's nothing more than symbolic.
What do these right-wing folks think they are going to achieve by this going-for-broke douchebag free-for-all? They're just reminding everyone what loony freaks they are.
I have the right to quit my job, be mean to my loved ones, to sit on a street corner and yell my head off, but should I do it? These fundamentalists can't seem to understand that the right exists and then mature people decide whether the right should be exercised at a particular time or place, if ever. I have a right to carry a gun, but I choose not to. The right still exists. Perhaps that is too abstract for people from Georgia.
Todays decision reinforces that if we act responsibly, we can both protect the constitutional right to bear arms and keep our communities and our children safe.
Also, advocating gun control does NOT mean advocating DISarming lawful gun owners!
"People are concerned about losing their right to keep and bear arms.
This is a reasonable fear given the avowed ideology of the Democrats in power."
a) How many more times is Obama gonna have to REPEAT that he supports gun ownership before it sinks in with these troglodytes? What has he done that would make a reasonable person think he's lying?
b) WTF does discussing heath care reform have to do with guns, gun ownership, and the 2nd Amendment?
"How many more times is Obama gonna have to REPEAT that he supports gun ownership before it sinks in with these troglodytes? What has he done that would make a reasonable person think he's lying?"
The fact that he said he disagrees with the DC v. Heller striking down a total hand gun ban in the city of DC. If a total ban on handguns isnt unconstitutionalth, nothing is. And In the Illinois senate he has voted against gun rights numerous times. That is why resonable people think hes lying
Nice try. Here is what Obama ACTUALLY said re: DC vs. Heller:
As President, I will uphold the constitutional rights of law-abiding gun-owners, hunters, and sportsmen. I know that what works in Chicago may not work in Cheyenne. We can work together to enact common-sense laws, like closing the gun show loophole and improving our background check system, so that guns do not fall into the hands of terrorists or criminals. (cont.)
I was refering to this statement released by his campaign after teh court granted certiori: " [Obama} believes that we can recognize and respect the rights of law-abiding gun owners and the right of local communities to enact common sense laws to combat violence and save lives. Obama believes the D.C. handgun law is constitutional.
These people aren't doing it "just because they have the right to." The average human being does not brandish a gun wherever they go.
I'm not saying they're planning to attack someone.
I do believe, however, they hope someone "gives" them a reason to open fire. They bring these guns with them because they're looking for a reason to use them.
I understand it's legal, the question is why you would bring a loaded firearm to a public town hall when you know you're going to make some people uncomfortable.
I mean, it's legal for me to bring a samurai sword (with permit) to a party but why would I want to do that unless I'm trying to make a statement?
I honestly believe this is a continuation of "The Bubba Factor" and that these guys are pushing the envelope, and throwing gasoline on a fire ... it's no oversight.. but .. my question is.. why? what agenda are they trying to serve? and what will be their reaction .. they know what MIGHT happen .. and if they know that .. then what reaction do they have planned? how ugly do they want this thing to get??
Well they are the ones that preach Hitler all the time. They are using fear tactics and a show of force while they are there. I have to wonder if these people leave when the president arrives? Or if they know that there are snipers there with a bead on their head?
the most disconcerting thing though, is that there seems to be a growing number of these nut jobs .. and all the attention that the Left biased media pays them only adds more gasoline to the fire .. if/when something happens both sides will be to blame .. and if these trends continue.. mark my words.. something will happen .. I hope I'm wrong on this one though
what are you talking about in NH lots of people open carry. This is nothing new the media is trying to make something its not. you need to get out a little more and learn your rights. These are the things that make you free.
Taking a gun to a town hall meeting, i.e. a place where people TALK and DISCUSS things, is not a sign of freedom - it's a sign of advanced paranoia. And paranoid people should not be allowed to own guns. Period.
yeah, and your the control freak that I want making that decision. the whole point of the open carry at the protest is to show the American slaves they have the right bottom line. it makes no difference, people in the media like Mathews are dying at the vine, just look at the viewer ratings. 500,000 viewers. LOL the Alternative media is crushing them and they know it.look at all the papers in the US that are in trouble. There mindless brain washing is coming to an end. I hope you wake up.
LOL - YOU need to wake up! You paranoid troglodytes who measure freedom whether you can waltz into any place with a loaded phallic symbol are to be pitied. If anybody wanted to make an American slave out of your dumb ass - they'd have already done so regardless of whether you play Sheriff Badass or not. Stupid fuck!
not sure where you going with your comments? You are a slave to debt, we all are, and its going to get a lot worse. keep drinking the Kool aid though while the bankster's take the rest of your pension funds. just keep listening to the Media. You want hardcore Tyranny.Well if your don't figure it out your going to get it.
This is something new. People have not flocked to town hall meetings in mobs before, and they have not brought guns with them either.
And no, these are not things that "make you free." Intelligence makes you free. Making good decisions makes you free. Speaking your mind makes you free.
Threatening people and making them uncomfortable makes you a bully, a nutcase, or just a poor uneducated slob.
I've read the Constitution, I get out plenty .. as a matter of fact, I used to open carry, hell even had a gun rack in the back of my old chevy scottsdale stepside .. had an ar 15, and an ap 74 in it.. the guns, and the rights aren't my issues here .. I have issue with the attention that is being brought to such matters, and who goes into a town hall meeting strapped?
c'mon .. check the patronizing would ya? and learn to listen before speaking
If it pisses off Chris Matthews, then it must be a good idea.
RadarGuidedVermin 7 months ago
Gingery is an Limbaugh lead idiot!
MAGUMNURSIS 1 year ago
MSNBC is a bunch of whining babies and within the next several years they will be the laughing stock of media for the way they handled our first black president and the whole "racial" issue. I would have voted for him but my girlfriend told me to take a closer look...and she is by all standards "black" being from the Dominican Republic
mbhopp 2 years ago
That can't be good.What a douche.
firemyars 2 years ago
They are bringing guns to town hall meetings because they are terrorist wannabes. Instead of just stating their opinion and being heard, they want to intimidate. It won't work. It just makes them look like mini Osamas. They have no credibility.
nutmeg42 2 years ago
Chris is wrong when he says these gun owners are going to townhall meetings armed for no reason; the reason is to show that the people are upset, willing and able to change the government. They are sending a message, a reminder of what happened at this country's founding.
I don't necessarily agree with the revolution mindset promoted these days but I think Chris and others are ignorant if they don't see this.
UsualStaples 2 years ago 4
That's a very intelligent statement. I found this video when looking for videos on my AR15. It is a statement to remind the gov't that "we the people" will take drastic measures if things keep going in the direction they are. I might not do such a thing but a black man doing it is just awesome...it so goes against the grain of stereotype that one can't help but want to meet him...he must be quite interesting.
mbhopp 2 years ago
I find it funny that a lot of the people posting here are calling people with guns at these events "nuts" but then turn around and call for there death. Huh I think I know who the "NuTs" are.
seeya30 2 years ago
Its a stand against this Fucking dumb ass nigger obama fuck him and his admin.
dguitarman86 2 years ago
Lulz, rednecks ;D
iViolin1990 2 years ago
Terrifying scenario; mix in a little alcohol and you have guaranteed disaster. I'd say, 'What are they thinking?', but it's obvious they AREN'T thinking. What about MY rights to be protected when I am verbally dissenting from their viewpoint in a public place? Will they say, "She was asking for it" if I get shot? Insanity.
astardrifter 2 years ago
I have the right to do so many things, but it doesn't mean that I aught to.
This is obviously NOT about just "using" my rights. It is about sending a message which is also obvious. Bringing guns into any situation is for true protection (shooting snakes in the forrest) or to send a message that "if you do something that threatens me, I will shoot you" (like cops and soldiers)
I got the message, but I won't shut up.
I do ask that you don't shoot me at my rally however. I can't afford the ER.
ruralpotter 2 years ago
In a state where ou have a Gynecologist like Gingery as a Congressman and a Veterinarian ( Sonny Perdue) as the govemor, the only thing I am sure is that these guys have been looking at the wrong end of the horse too long!
MAGUMNURSIS 2 years ago
If you don't like the constitution, there a plenty of countries you can move to that don't have a constitution like Iran. Those people really love big brother, lol.
MotionFrequency 2 years ago
At least one instance was indeed, "cooked up," by a local radio host, intentionally to exploit the moment - that he created - to pump up his ratings.
It may or may not have done so, but the video (not this one) was reported as news by unwary, or unthinking... or exploitive... local media elsewhere.
It's a sad day when local media can get away with playing into the chicanery of political stunters by pleading political ignorance.
voyeurdug 2 years ago
I wacthed the video where the interviewer discussed how the interview was planned. Atleast CHris was not an actor. Chris does beleive in what was said and apperently carries when the camera is off.
deleond2 2 years ago
I thought the whole thing with a license to carry a concealed weapon was that it had to be CONCEALED. wtf
aaronhallam61 2 years ago
Some states have "open carry laws" where anyone can have a firearm on their person with some exceptions. But really...all of these laws go against the constitution much like when they tell you when and where you can exercise your freedom of speech.
standupgun 2 years ago
It is, but you do not need a permit to open carry.
deleond2 2 years ago
Guns are scary. And that they can really kill you or mame you if you aren't careful with it. Sadly people use guns as toys.
JPPT1974 2 years ago
so right wing people are terrorists huh. expressing their rights.
no its just that were not cowardly little fucks hiding behind politicians and crying fix this for me instead they take care of things themselves.. so quit running you mouths and get a life and get out of your parents basement.. moron
aaa1p 2 years ago
Heres one for you little wimpy girly men Liberals. How would a Million Armed but Peaceful march on DC sound to you. This wimpy girly Chris Hardball never fired a BB gun in his life. What a complete wimp.
mdp1nvegas 2 years ago
Sounds silly to me, but I encourage you to try it. While the majority of Americans support the 2nd Amendment, I think they'd be a little nervous about having it shoved in their face like that. It would probably increase support for gun control laws.
Go for it! :)
OlivierdeAthos 2 years ago
wrong
aaa1p 2 years ago
Let's not have town hall meetings let's have town hall shoot outs. Us against them. Americans are becoming stupider with each generation. Carrying a gun to a political gathering is what happens in third world countries. These gun toters are the equivalent of the Taliban trying to scare people to accept their twisted views. The American Taliban at work to spread the evangelical word with the bullets of the lord.
1940jan 2 years ago
Exactly. These scare tactics are one threat away from terrorism. On these youtube comments pages, many have explicitly made threats with regard to their weapons.
Right wing extremism is becoming the new face of domestic terrorism.
p00lman 2 years ago
"Right wing extremism is becoming the new face of domestic terrorism."
What do you mean "becoming?" It has been for a long time. It's just that foreign terrorism from a minority religion (in the U.S.) is easier for Americans to accept.
When McVeigh blew up the Murrah Federal Building in 1995 (killing 168, wounding 680) the knee jerk reaction was that it MUST have been Muslim extremists. Mosques all over the country received death threats, and a few were vandalized.
OlivierdeAthos 2 years ago
I think I like you.
p00lman 2 years ago
Is this the same Gingrey thats Rush Limbaughs bit*ch?
ukspartan7 2 years ago
maybe they bring it because the dems have started beating,anti health,and push them out of meetings. where was this guy whem obama had black panthers armed at the national elections,course they did not have legal permits to bearmed.The white house ordered them not to proscue
cowboybill117 2 years ago
if this had happened in 1964 at any of pres. Johnson events what u think would happen to the indiviuals, they would be shot where they stand. because this president is black he has to tip toe around very strong language and policy to deal with these people. WHAT A SHAME
nijah008 2 years ago
Jeez, I hope Gingrey gets voted out because of that stupid statement he just made.
thereallurker 2 years ago
Conservatives are just dragging this country down into it's grave.... I'm so sad.
cclovesyoutoob 2 years ago
No, its sad tho that you still believe in the left/right paradigm. The country is dying because it has become TOO BIG, and too fascist. Empires always fail, and when they do, new ones always pop up.
KaptainKaka 2 years ago
There isn't and never has been an American Empire. Grow up.
p00lman 2 years ago
There's a difference between "I have the right to do this" and "I should do this." People can bring guns to these meetings, but that doesn't mean that they should.
qwertyman129 2 years ago
I hate these pussies that show up at these town hall meetings with their guns, It's just not neccessary. Just because you carry a gun it doesn't make you tough. you can give a pussy a gun and he's still a pussy. I perfer not to carry a gun in public places. I'm a tough guy with a pussy in my hand.
UBUICounterAttack 2 years ago
The entire South is the biggest piece of shit on planet Earth. It's absolutely mind-boggling how ignorant these/you fucking rednecks are. You are the only thing holding this country back, and it's truly sad that you exist.
Duergantia 2 years ago
Oh wait now. The SOUTH didn't even want to be a part of the Union in the first place! The Union unconstitutionally FORCED the Confederate Union back into what we now have in the US. This is of the Union's fault. I know plenty of Southern and NON Southerners that feel the same way. Learn some history jackass.
KaptainKaka 2 years ago
you should move to texas.... i hear theyve been considering to secession.
MegaUtubenoob 2 years ago
Yep, and when the time comes I will fight for Texas if need be. There are many in support of this.
KaptainKaka 2 years ago
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you'll get your asses kicked
Str8Blast 2 years ago
Then you have nothing to worry about then. Id rather die FREE than die a SLAVE.
KaptainKaka 2 years ago
That's ridiculous. Stop all this talk of division and divisiveness. Instead of being a stubborn ass, listen to other people and respond with your own ideas.
p00lman 2 years ago
What do you mean learn some history? I've got a fucking BA in history. Are you making the claim that my comment implied that the South did indeed NOT want to secede? How the fuck did you gather that from my comment? My comment, as it says, was meant to imply that southerners, a large part of which are indeed fundamentally Christian, are holding this country back from progressing towards the examples set by many other nations. When did I say that the South never wanted to secede?
Duergantia 2 years ago
If Beck keeps inciting the lunatics --
SOMEONE IS GONNA MURDER THE PRESIDENT!
DillonX 2 years ago
Don't get me wrong, I like guns! But Mathews is right! Why should you bring a fire weapon in a public meeting, in witch the President is going to appear?
rubroxato88 2 years ago
We can, and should as it is our right. Its to remind the government of who is in charge in the relationship. There is a reason to the 2nd amendment.
KaptainKaka 2 years ago
Then bring your gun to your kids' elementary school, their friends' houses, their birthday parties, McDonald's, the bowling alley, a little league baseball game. Exercise your right to be stupid there and see how people react.
p00lman 2 years ago
I don't have kids. I am a licensed carrier tho, and I do bring my gun open carry when and where I am allowed. I have people come up to me all the time too asking questions. Most of the times they are friendly. No one in their right mind would attack a person with a gun. Thats kind of the point. You wouldn't either.
KaptainKaka 2 years ago
Some of us don't live in fear of being attacked.
You fail to name all the people who don't come up to you because you're carrying a gun.
p00lman 2 years ago
Then good! You shouldn't have a problem with people bringing guns to the protests then!
KaptainKaka 2 years ago
You have a right to free speech too. Why don't you shout "nigger" out loud wherever you go? After all, it's your right as an American citizen, and you wouldn't want free speech to go to waste.
p00lman 2 years ago
What does that have to do with anything??? You are pulling at straws because your argument is flawed and weak.
KaptainKaka 2 years ago
You don't pull at straws, you grasp them.
But then I'm not from your redneck town, so go pull all the straws you'd like.
I'm not surprised that your initials are KKK.
p00lman 2 years ago
Just so you know, I am a person of color you fucking piece of shit.
And yes I am the master of shit, so bow down to your master bitch.
KaptainKaka 2 years ago
Then it's even funnier that your initials are KKK.
p00lman 2 years ago
Thats because you are a racist fool. They call you the F00Lman?
KaptainKaka 2 years ago
Whatever you say, KKK.
p00lman 2 years ago
President Bush couldn't even handle protesters wearing pink.
eelzen 2 years ago
We need to bring back the black panthers to go to these town halls.
SlowRealization 2 years ago
LMAO! Nice comment.
I bet if a group of black panthers protested Rep. Gingrey's town hall meetings with guns loaded, he'd wet his pants. Anyone who peacefully protest with guns obviously don't know the first thing about gun or gun safety IMO.
eelzen 2 years ago
Or peace.
p00lman 2 years ago
Matthews is such a dipshit. Bringing a gun to where the president is speaking is "watering the tree of liberty" by expressing your right to bear arms. Bringing it to where the president is speaking brings attn to American principles of LIBERTY. Matthews would love it if all guns were banned in America and we were helpless slaves to this Oligarchy Govt. What Matthews doesn't realize is the people running this country will destroy him and the only thing protecting him would be the armed citizens.
helpendthefed 2 years ago
whats there point are they guarding us and our freedom ...... want to be a patriot have to carry props to put on a public show....ok thank you so much. DS
joethepusher 2 years ago
I like the idea, actually.
grapevinewrath 2 years ago
Know this GOP: When someone gets murdered by your lackey's, the blame will fall squarely on you. Remember what happened to Doctor Tiller "The Baby Killer"? You fucks ruined this man's life. Don't think we've forgotten what you did to him. If you lead another person to kill someone, expect serious retribution from Americans. Enough is fucking enough. You are ruining the United States. Don't dare call yourselves "patriotic". Don't dare call yourselves "humane".
GOP: FUUUUCK YOU!
WellIAMScottish 2 years ago 2
FREEDOM isn't Free you idiot. How many people die per year in car accidents? Why aren't cars illegal? There is a price to pay for freedom. The ultimate price is death. Death by firearm, death by car accident, death by overeating, death by smoking, death by etc
helpendthefed 2 years ago
A right carries with it responsibility. These stupid fucks are saying "it's okay for me to threaten the lives of my community and representatives" and when someone gets murdered you can bet that they will disavow all responsibility for encouraging violent behavior. It's legal under the Constitution, but it's sick and demented and people are going to die because of it.
WellIAMScottish 2 years ago 2
this is why I hate the modern NRA, they don't teach responsibility and it is filled with idiots who want to shoot at anything they can and not even use the remains to their fullest
BandsImWorkingOn 2 years ago
Of course a person has a right to carry a gun around but is it responsible? That's what people often don't think about - the responsibility side of freedom. Imagine if everyone carried a gun into a heated debate......
But right-wingers know this good and well. They know the possibilities. They want people to carry guns to these events because they're hoping someone will be stupid enough to take a shot at Obama or a liberal who disagrees with them.
They know what they're doing.
A86 2 years ago 2
All you NRA folks better not cry when the public has backlash when somebody uses a gun in anger at one of these events.
snarkwaupaca 2 years ago
It's is a veiled threat, nothing more.
jhenzie01 2 years ago
I wonder if that republican rep who feels that bring guns to a political rally is OK would also support doubling or tripling the size of the US Secret Service?
And what rights are being given up of we have a politician take the obvious and responsible act of just asking people to leave the guns at home?
henleythecat 2 years ago
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henleythecat 2 years ago
Guns are for potentially protecting your life. You should be allowed that right. But, there should be no reason for these guys to bring their pistols to these kinds of meetings. If things get out of control, something stupid happens and then next thing you know......there are police in riot gear every where, maybe even the military on the streets because people have been manipulated by the forces at work in big health care business. Stir up the people, let them loose, guns are OK....poof.
Bittermanscolon 2 years ago
Guns are for people who can't FIGHT.
johnny718bravo 2 years ago 2
I don't see a difference with someone carrying a gun in a grocery store or a town hall meeting. If someone is going to be dangerous, they're going to be. It's always nice knowing that there the vast majority of people are good and they are allowed to be equipped to handle the dangerous ones.
eurohim 2 years ago
Statistically, if you compare accidental shootings with legal interventions, accidental deaths are higher almost every time.
Guns don't keep us safe. They escalate conflicts to lethal levels.
mejdrich 2 years ago
This is crazy.
Someone is gonna end up shot.
And it could be the President.
DillonX 2 years ago
Unless your wielding a weapon for protection, weapons signify violence....wow if ppl are bringing guns then i can only imagine what will happen in this country's future.
catchup16 2 years ago
We have the right of free speech, but people don't like it when the loons from the Westboro Baptist Church exercise the right in inappropriate ways at soldiers' funerals, etc.... There is a time and a place people. Guns at town hall meetings?? Really? With the president there? I hope the secret service get jumpy and plug one of these idiots.
japanisfun 2 years ago 2
you fuckin right-wingers oh my second amendment rights you dress up like betsy ross and have no idea what a right is let alone health care reform
ohyeah06 2 years ago 2
Wish Georgia was a open-carry state. Wish they would respect the second amendment in regards to knives as well.
LooseLatitude 2 years ago
You can bet your bottom dollar that if anybody had brought a gun to a Bush event, permit or no permit, they'd still be sitting in a jail cell somewhere.
rougy11 2 years ago 8
These guys are all chickens***, that's why they need guns with them. But cowards shoot people all of the time.
Mescalitospoke 2 years ago 6
Domestic terrorism. All that remains now is for someone to get shot. Hopefully, by then, the health care bill will have passed so the victim can receive affordable treatment.
tonycapricorny 2 years ago 6
They have no arguments, so...
They bring guns to intimidate.
hutube500 2 years ago 6
These people should not be near or far from our President. Did anyone carry guns to anything Bush? NO!
Some one is going to get hurt with type of mentality, and there is going to be hell to pay!
sweetandexcellent 2 years ago 5
IDIOCRACY
krshrv 2 years ago 7
Republicans intend to to intimidate health care reform activists via latent threat of violence. I will not be intimidated!
Akin42 2 years ago 7
it's so obvious that these men with the brains of 14 year old boys just want to come and show off because they're so pathetically insecure. they want to go to meetings and show that they're the hardest man in the room, especially with all those 'queer liberals' around because they have no other political ideology besides greed, selfishness, and being a piece of shit.
shorxrore 2 years ago 5
Copy cats.
Repeal the second amendment. Retards tend to copy retarded behavior.
7jerryv7 2 years ago
Screw guns-everyone should bring swords.
pakratmak 2 years ago
Haha. Idiots. They don't even understand the question.
bleunt 2 years ago
I understand why some idiots would carry a gun at a town hall meeting. It´s their way to apply for a political consulting job at Fox news..
Francebrasil 2 years ago 4
It's sad when a man has no problem displaying his lack of cock-strength by arming himself.
PathogensQuest 2 years ago 8
Carrying a weapon to a town meeting falls under both first and second amendment rights now that I think about it. It can be considered symbolic speech (like wearing clothing as a politcal statement) as long as it's not disruptive or obscene.
InugamiPup 2 years ago
In what situation is bringing a loaded gun into a crowd NOT disruptive?
mejdrich 2 years ago 4
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When someone brings a loaded gun into a crowd and doesn't use it and/or wave it around like a crazy fuck. The guys carrying guns in the protest weren't being disruptive at all. They were there to protest, like the people around them. The only difference was that they were carrying a gun.
This is probably a guess, but there are far more people who carry knives on their person. Concealed. Why aren't people concerned that there are probably more people in those crowds with knives than guns?
InugamiPup 2 years ago
I think you're dodging the issue here, this isn't about people having concealed weaponry, it's about people bringing guns to a public meeting.
In 2003 "liberals" peacefully protested the American military going to kill a bunch of people based on lies. in 2009 "conservatives" are going to town halls with guns because the government wants to PROVIDE HEALTH CARE FOR EVERYONE.
That's the problem, the simple fact is that no one needs to bring a weapon of any kind to any sort of public meeting.
JesterMereel 2 years ago 5
Well, people aren't concerned about knives because you can't unload a knife and kill dozens of people in seconds.
Virginia Tech: one guy, 2 pistols, 22 dead
What happens when dozens start bringing guns?
mejdrich 2 years ago
2 dead instead of 22.
As a criminal, would you be more likely, or less likely, to rob a bank, break in a house, mug, rape, or steal, if you knew for certain your victims were armed?
If someone wants to kill you, they don't need a gun to do it.
If law abiding armed citizens are present in a shootout, it won't last very long.
You have the right to live peacefully. You have the right to your opinion. You have the right to NOT carry a gun.
And I will defend your rights to the death.. With My Gun.
aTexanfromTexas 2 years ago
>And I will defend your rights to the death.. With My Gun.
This is exactly the difference between you and me. I'll talk. I'll vote. But you're going to get someone killed.
Arming a crowd can turn a demonstration to a massacre VERY quickly. Any sane adult can see that.
As for vigilantism, I suggest you stop reading comic books.
mejdrich 2 years ago 4
did it?
I don't read comics.
aTexanfromTexas 2 years ago
>This is exactly the difference between you and me. I'll talk. I'll vote. But you're going to get someone killed.
When someone breaks into your house, you can talk to them, you can vote for them. thats your choice.
If they break in my house, I kill them, if thats whats needed.
Don't try to paint me with your vigilante brush.
I've never killed anyone, and I hope I never do.
I will defend myself and my 'outdated' constitution.
I wouldn't carry a weapon in public.
But I respect those that do.
aTexanfromTexas 2 years ago
When someone breaks into my house, I'll call the police. You're more likely to kill someone you love in the dark (or yourself) than an intruder. That's not an opinion, it's a statistical fact -- one that undermines your entire gun fantasy.
You want the rights promised by the constitutional? Buy a musket.
mejdrich 2 years ago
>When someone breaks into my house, I'll call the police.
and when the police arrive 20 minutes later, they can call morgue, right?
>it's a statistical fact
Since you said "You're" that would imply you directing to me.
care to back that 'fact' up?
just because you say, doesn't make it so.
>Buy a musket.
I don't know about your Constitution, the one I'm talking about says 'The right to keep and bear arms' I didn't see muskets mentioned.
I don't have a gun fantasy.
I have a gun reality.
aTexanfromTexas 2 years ago
The statistics are ubiquitous. Google it. Almost everywhere in the country, "accidental shooting" deaths are higher than "legal interviention." If you add in suicides, the disparity spikes to 10-20 times higher.
>I didn't see muskets mentioned.
I didn't see assult rifles mentioned in the constitution.
>I don't have a gun fantasy.
What you have is a false sense of security. Hopefully, when you fuck up, it's a suicide not an "accidental shooting."
mejdrich 2 years ago
Poor bear's, they might want to keep their arms rather than you having them.
And wasn't it to bare arms against the British?
alvaskins 2 years ago
Yeah well if you live out in the country like I do it takes the police about 20 min to get to my house. By the time the police get here every ones dead and robbed anyways so whats the point. Good game plan! Most LEGAL gun owners are trained and target practice quite often and know what they are doing :)
KaptainKaka 2 years ago
This is not a gun Fantasy. People with CCLs are not blood thirsty Cowboys. Mr Texan is not a nut for saying "I will kill if needed." As a CCL holder I have to accept the fact that in the process of protecting myself my attacker may die. I dont want to kill anyone (the psychological burden could be enourmous) but I would rather it be the attacker than me.
deleond2 2 years ago
You're missing the point of the statistics, deleond. You are more likely to kill an innocent in an accidental shooting with your gun than an intruder. You are 10-20 times likelier to shoot YOURSELF than an intruder.
Guns are statistically dangerous enough that you are safer without one. It's just the facts.
mejdrich 2 years ago
NO I think you are missing the point. Statistics can be rearanged and swtiched around to suit anyones need. Tell me were you got these statistics from I I can break them down and esily turn the tables. Both you and Me and twist the stats. Now that we all know that stats dont mean squat I do agree that the possibility of shooting a bystander on the street or a family member in the home are things that need to be addressed.
deleond2 2 years ago
uh, YES?
Statistics are facts. *shrug* Google it. The details very from state to state and county to county, but across the nation the trend is that "accidental shooting" deaths are higher than "legal interviention." If you add in suicides, the disparity spikes to 10-20 times higher.
I'm sorry to hear that you twist stats. I'm really only in it to get to what's true.
mejdrich 2 years ago
What is your source?
deleond2 2 years ago
Google is not a source.
deleond2 2 years ago
I showed you one of my sources.
deleond2 2 years ago
Also, what is the definition of "legal intervention?"
deleond2 2 years ago
dude, why don't you do your own research?
If you start googling cause-of-death statistics , you'll find most of them are available from all over the US. I mean, I'd love to point you to one magic source with all of the info from all 50 states and hundreds of counties, but it's not that easy. You have to actually dig a little.
mejdrich 2 years ago
My definition of Legal intervention covers alot of stuff. Some people do not realize that legal intervention can take place without a shot being fired.
deleond2 2 years ago
Well I don't give a shit what YOUR definition is. What matters is what THE definition is.
Why don't you do some research BEFORE you spout out your opinion on the matter?
mejdrich 2 years ago
I ran a google search for "Statistics" and got 570,000,000 entries. I found 57,000 entries for "gun statistics." Where do I go from here? Im not trying to be a smart ass, I would just like to know where your stats come from.
deleond2 2 years ago
uhh... I just posted and I don't know if it went through.
Try "gun death statistics" and go from there.
It took me about a half-hour of digging to start seeing a trend. Look for state or county statistic charts.
mejdrich 2 years ago
The "you're more likely to kill a loved one" is actually an old stat from the Clinton days, so you may be able to find something using that (that was where I started). It is a little misleading, since gun-suicides really mess with the statistics, but whatever.
mejdrich 2 years ago
II keep going over my limit
deleond2 2 years ago
I have done my own research, please see the message I sent you
deleond2 2 years ago
i found the best stats on the fbi web site
bunker2k1 2 years ago
When someone breaks into your house, you can talk to them, YOU CAN VOTE FOR THEM?. What the fuck does that mean?? I am a gun owner, in fact I own many firearms. I will defend my family and my home to the death. But I would never bring a firearm to a political rally! I feel that if these IDIOTS that carry firearms to a political rally should be the FIRST to be SHOT if ANY guns shots are fired!!! If these ASSHOLES showed up to a Bush Rally "STRAPPED" they would be at GITMO or dead!!!!
wtfoof 2 years ago 3
@wtfoof
If you would read, you would know what it means.
Does your vulgar language make your point clearer for you?
Some practical tips for a more pleasant internet experience:
1. Read.
2.Think.
3.Respond.
don't skip Step 2. its an important one.
control yourself okay?
There may be children present that read these posts.
aTexanfromTexas 2 years ago
>Does your vulgar language make your point clearer for you?
.... shut the fuck up, asshole?
So much for defending the 1st amendment to the constitution. By the way, there were CHILDREN PRESENT at the rally your buddy brought an ASSAULT RIFLE to.
freaking moron
mejdrich 2 years ago
More and more people and getting CCLs and the massacres involving CCL holders has not happened. When stand your ground laws were passed many felt there would be blood in the streets because of CCL holders killing over anything. It hasn't happened
deleond2 2 years ago
MEJDRICH, suzanna hupp can answer this question.
deleond2 2 years ago
That's like saying you should be free to use the word "nigger" wherever and however often you want as long as it's not disruptive to others. Does that make it worth doing?
p00lman 2 years ago
Those asserting the "legality" of the act of bringing weapons to a political event show what sophistic pigs they in fact are.
There are any number of imprudent, down right vicious and anti-social things people can do which are technically "legal."
That this needs to be explained to these people, is either a sign of their moral or intellectual degeneracy. And these are typically the Jesus-Christers. Go figure.
KosmicCitizen 2 years ago
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Chris Matthews is a sad little man.
1. They can, it's legal.
2. People don't carry guns to uses them, they carry them as a defense. Nice how Chris assumes anyone with a gun has intent to shot someone. What a loser.
3. An visible handgun gun is better than a concealed one in a public event. A concealed weapon would be far more suspicious to me.
I love how these liberal stations have to resort to attacking Americans that aren't even doing anything wrong or illegal. It's nothing more than symbolic.
st4ticblu3 2 years ago
What sophistry. You really cannot see what's wrong showing up to a political event armed?
KosmicCitizen 2 years ago
These Chicken hawks find it much more convenient to display their guns in public rather than fight on the front lines. Fucking cowards..
Francebrasil 2 years ago 8
So you are saying that these guys are worried they'll need a gun to defend themselves at a town-hall meeting? Defense from whom? The secret service?
mejdrich 2 years ago 5
What do these right-wing folks think they are going to achieve by this going-for-broke douchebag free-for-all? They're just reminding everyone what loony freaks they are.
fixty 2 years ago 3
I have the right to quit my job, be mean to my loved ones, to sit on a street corner and yell my head off, but should I do it? These fundamentalists can't seem to understand that the right exists and then mature people decide whether the right should be exercised at a particular time or place, if ever. I have a right to carry a gun, but I choose not to. The right still exists. Perhaps that is too abstract for people from Georgia.
diffidatio 2 years ago
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Todays decision reinforces that if we act responsibly, we can both protect the constitutional right to bear arms and keep our communities and our children safe.
Also, advocating gun control does NOT mean advocating DISarming lawful gun owners!
SabuPtolemy 2 years ago
People are concerned about losing their right to keep and bear arms.
This is a reasonable fear given the avowed ideology of the Democrats in power.
I don't think they want to shoot anyone at the meeting. I think they want to make a point about the second amendment and it's importance.
Often, you don't appreciate something until it's lost.
They took guns from the Jews in Germany in the 1930's. Blacks could not own them in the pre-war South.
Owning a gun discourages tyranny.
freesk8 2 years ago
"People are concerned about losing their right to keep and bear arms.
This is a reasonable fear given the avowed ideology of the Democrats in power."
a) How many more times is Obama gonna have to REPEAT that he supports gun ownership before it sinks in with these troglodytes? What has he done that would make a reasonable person think he's lying?
b) WTF does discussing heath care reform have to do with guns, gun ownership, and the 2nd Amendment?
You people are a f'n embarASSment to the USA!
SabuPtolemy 2 years ago
"How many more times is Obama gonna have to REPEAT that he supports gun ownership before it sinks in with these troglodytes? What has he done that would make a reasonable person think he's lying?"
The fact that he said he disagrees with the DC v. Heller striking down a total hand gun ban in the city of DC. If a total ban on handguns isnt unconstitutionalth, nothing is. And In the Illinois senate he has voted against gun rights numerous times. That is why resonable people think hes lying
frozenflame5858 2 years ago
Nice try. Here is what Obama ACTUALLY said re: DC vs. Heller:
As President, I will uphold the constitutional rights of law-abiding gun-owners, hunters, and sportsmen. I know that what works in Chicago may not work in Cheyenne. We can work together to enact common-sense laws, like closing the gun show loophole and improving our background check system, so that guns do not fall into the hands of terrorists or criminals. (cont.)
SabuPtolemy 2 years ago
I was refering to this statement released by his campaign after teh court granted certiori: " [Obama} believes that we can recognize and respect the rights of law-abiding gun owners and the right of local communities to enact common sense laws to combat violence and save lives. Obama believes the D.C. handgun law is constitutional.
frozenflame5858 2 years ago
Health care has nothing to do with the second amendment. This is not the time nor place to "make a point about the second amendment."
p00lman 2 years ago 3
It's obvious they are bringing the weapons to make a statement, however it's childish and immature not to mention dangerous.
carrierexchange 2 years ago
The statement is, "If you do something we don't like, we may try to shoot you."
p00lman 2 years ago
Yeah, why have a civilized dialogue when you can just shoot the opposing point of view.
carrierexchange 2 years ago
Not necessarily.
You may be reading something it to this that the demonstrators do not at all intend.
freesk8 2 years ago
These people aren't doing it "just because they have the right to." The average human being does not brandish a gun wherever they go.
I'm not saying they're planning to attack someone.
I do believe, however, they hope someone "gives" them a reason to open fire. They bring these guns with them because they're looking for a reason to use them.
p00lman 2 years ago 3
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The statement is, "If you do something we don't like, we may try to shoot you."
p00lman 2 years ago
carrierexchange,
Or it's New Hampshire, where it's legal to open carry, and people who are doing so, do it legally with a permit.
MooseOfReason 2 years ago
@MooseOfReason
I understand it's legal, the question is why you would bring a loaded firearm to a public town hall when you know you're going to make some people uncomfortable.
I mean, it's legal for me to bring a samurai sword (with permit) to a party but why would I want to do that unless I'm trying to make a statement?
carrierexchange 2 years ago
carrierexchange, I just want to know why it's "obvious" they're trying to make a statement.
MooseOfReason 2 years ago
@MooseOfReason,
Have you got any other reason to bring a loaded firearm? Or are you saying they actually want to shoot people?
What I'm trying to say is that it's not common for people to bring a firearm to public town halls especially when the president is going to be there.
carrierexchange 2 years ago
The levels of dumbfuckery on the display in the GOP is truly mindboggling. MIND f'n BOGGLING!!!
These people should not be encouraged to attend town hall meetings armed to the teeth. They should been encouraged to stay home and kill themselves!
SabuPtolemy 2 years ago
It's not dumbfuckery. I think this borders on certifiably evil.
Because they know what they're doing. They understand the implications of their actions. But their excuse is, "It's my right, so I should do it."
p00lman 2 years ago
I honestly believe this is a continuation of "The Bubba Factor" and that these guys are pushing the envelope, and throwing gasoline on a fire ... it's no oversight.. but .. my question is.. why? what agenda are they trying to serve? and what will be their reaction .. they know what MIGHT happen .. and if they know that .. then what reaction do they have planned? how ugly do they want this thing to get??
rjanis123 2 years ago
Well they are the ones that preach Hitler all the time. They are using fear tactics and a show of force while they are there. I have to wonder if these people leave when the president arrives? Or if they know that there are snipers there with a bead on their head?
RodgersRevolution 2 years ago
the most disconcerting thing though, is that there seems to be a growing number of these nut jobs .. and all the attention that the Left biased media pays them only adds more gasoline to the fire .. if/when something happens both sides will be to blame .. and if these trends continue.. mark my words.. something will happen .. I hope I'm wrong on this one though
Peace :):)
rjanis123 2 years ago
what are you talking about in NH lots of people open carry. This is nothing new the media is trying to make something its not. you need to get out a little more and learn your rights. These are the things that make you free.
seeya30 2 years ago
Taking a gun to a town hall meeting, i.e. a place where people TALK and DISCUSS things, is not a sign of freedom - it's a sign of advanced paranoia. And paranoid people should not be allowed to own guns. Period.
SabuPtolemy 2 years ago
SabuPtolemy, Sidewalks are for walking. Transporting yourself from one place to another! You don't bring guns to sidewalks! That's paranoia!
You know, unless someone wants to mug you.
MooseOfReason 2 years ago
yeah, and your the control freak that I want making that decision. the whole point of the open carry at the protest is to show the American slaves they have the right bottom line. it makes no difference, people in the media like Mathews are dying at the vine, just look at the viewer ratings. 500,000 viewers. LOL the Alternative media is crushing them and they know it.look at all the papers in the US that are in trouble. There mindless brain washing is coming to an end. I hope you wake up.
seeya30 2 years ago
LOL - YOU need to wake up! You paranoid troglodytes who measure freedom whether you can waltz into any place with a loaded phallic symbol are to be pitied. If anybody wanted to make an American slave out of your dumb ass - they'd have already done so regardless of whether you play Sheriff Badass or not. Stupid fuck!
SabuPtolemy 2 years ago
not sure where you going with your comments? You are a slave to debt, we all are, and its going to get a lot worse. keep drinking the Kool aid though while the bankster's take the rest of your pension funds. just keep listening to the Media. You want hardcore Tyranny.Well if your don't figure it out your going to get it.
seeya30 2 years ago
If a woman is carrying, is it still a Phallic symbol? I like to conceal my Phallic symbol in my pants. My Glock 23 that is.
deleond2 2 years ago
When I'm concealing my phallic symbol I make sure it is not pointed down at my other symbol.
deleond2 2 years ago
Everyone should get CCLs and conceal their symbols so SabuPtolemy does not get upset.
deleond2 2 years ago
This is something new. People have not flocked to town hall meetings in mobs before, and they have not brought guns with them either.
And no, these are not things that "make you free." Intelligence makes you free. Making good decisions makes you free. Speaking your mind makes you free.
Threatening people and making them uncomfortable makes you a bully, a nutcase, or just a poor uneducated slob.
p00lman 2 years ago
I've read the Constitution, I get out plenty .. as a matter of fact, I used to open carry, hell even had a gun rack in the back of my old chevy scottsdale stepside .. had an ar 15, and an ap 74 in it.. the guns, and the rights aren't my issues here .. I have issue with the attention that is being brought to such matters, and who goes into a town hall meeting strapped?
c'mon .. check the patronizing would ya? and learn to listen before speaking
rjanis123 2 years ago